A champion of Warhammer artists! Dave Taylor

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hello welcome to the painting phase i'm Jeff after dark oh I don't know if I Oh
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I thought we were wearing that joke then right so you ready hello I'm Jeff and welcome to the painting phase after dark
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on XV88 FM all right as you'll probably see from the
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camera it's still funny as is it i don't know um as you'll see from this wide
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shot that we're in it's a very special episode today first of all we're joined by as always i'm I'm Ross i'm here i'm
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back [ __ ] yeah I'm slight slightly pink um but I'm also here and we are
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joined by a man who's been mentioned in a roundabout sort of way many a time we're joined by Mr dave Taylor who
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produces these wonderful books which we've talked about before being the art of and by pure chance I've picked up the
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Tommy Su one not because I'm biased in the slightest cuz it's brilliant and
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also surprising we didn't know it was going to happen tommy's joined us in a in a slightly interview/show for a role
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yeah i had to uh wear the t-shirt is that what you're here for just a
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t-shirt model just the t-shirt so absolutely couldn't afford a full He
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knew that I would He knew that I wouldn't be on brand i'm really on topic
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that goes for this whole show to be honest with you Dean it turns out he's cheaper to hire than a mannequin so yeah
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it's true it's true oh it's true
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right then that's perfectly set the tone for the show has it i think so so we'll dive straight in cuz uh Pat's got his
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doggy here tonight and I don't think he's massively happy at being incarcerated in his cate no I might I
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might just have to let him run riot and so if you hear riot going on Yeah we'll figure out what's going on yeah we'll uh
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you'll know what it is it's a board a collie throwing a toy around the looking on the carpet probably right so
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anyway the art of which is a collection of books that Dave creates with some of
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the best artists in the world and they are absolutely wonderful and we'll get to them but first Dave as we ask
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everyone where did all this Games Workshop Warhammer toy soldiers malarkey
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start where did it all start well Toby yeah it all it all began many years ago
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um yeah uh like a lot of people I started off um playing D and D uh
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painting a couple of little miniatures for that uh but I think it was my first year at university i uh discovered
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miniatures and I discovered that if I well I enjoyed playing chess so I was
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like I can collect these miniatures and paint them up and make a chess set yeah it look really cool um after I bought my
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second I was buying my second box of RTB1 Space Marines to make it into a chess set
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um the guy at the store said "Oh you must have enough for an army now." And I was like "What what's this army
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business?" Yeah so um yeah that that's where it sort of started he it was like "Oh this is Rogue Trader here's how you
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um build an army and um you want to come around to my place in two weeks and um
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bring your stuff and we'll play a game and I was like sold good level customer
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service oh it is it's great yeah and uh yeah I went on to at this place we went on to play uh like Epic and uh Warhammer
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Fantasy and um whole bunch of other stuff did some historical wargaming as
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well uh but yeah at that point I was definitely hooked on playing games and painting miniatures for those games so
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paint painting of armies um there was a time uh I used to work at a restaurant
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uh called Sisler is this back in Australia by the way back in Australia yeah this is in Australia in my hometown in Newcastle uh and one of my uh
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colleagues we were sitting down before a shift and one of my colleagues sort of was running through his 5year plan and
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uh I was like "Oh that sounds that sounds like he's got his stuff together
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he knows what he's going to do over this next what he wants to do over these next 5 years i better get myself a 5year plan." And so my 5year plan was in 5
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years time I want to be working for Games Workshop yep that was the extent of that 5year plan and two uh yeah two
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years later they opened up a store in hometown and Oh cool i went in enough times that they uh asked me if I wanted
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a job and uh yeah it kind of all went from there i worked retail for a while and and moved into the promotion studio
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Games Workshop which cuz you you worked there but you also used to spend time here as well didn't you oh yeah when I
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was in in Australia yeah i'd come over to um the UK probably four or five times
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a year um spent a lot of time working with the the folks in the studio over here um and then making a nuisance of
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myself going around and asking lots of questions and you know sort of the inside track on everything so it was uh it was really great to to work with all
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those but you you had quite an interesting hook which I had to be uh
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more reminded of because I think it was pre pre my full immersion into into Games Workshop and a person who's been
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interviewed on the show and mentioned many many times on the show is person called Bestie Tim who's my best pal okay
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and when I spoke about you coming on the show he went "Oh do you know what I always loved about Dave?" he said was
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Dave's real ability to convert and make real cool units out of entire other
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things um one of the things he mentioned as being one of his favorites which I thought was nice he talked about your um
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your Kizlev on polar bears all right yeah yeah yeah and uh and he said and rightly so he said he said um Dave he
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said made some absolutely amazing conversions which was lovely for him to remember he did then say he said "You
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need to be on Games Workshop discount to be able to make half of the things." He said "Because that unit would have cost
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you about 300 quid if you try to buy the bits yourself," he said but um he said it was really really cool so do you
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think that was that is that once you got into it do you think that was always quite a big part for you was the converting and challenging the um the
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pre-built systems of it all oh yeah absolutely yeah I think um like when I started as I mentioned I was in
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university so or student working at a restaurant to make ends meet um when I
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was playing Epic I'd play squats because I could build the squat vehicles out of like layers of art cardboard oh right
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shave them down and putty them up and create my own vehicles that look just like the ones from Games Workshop i
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remember them looking just like the ones from Gays Workshop but uh yeah it was always that kind of um do-it-yourself
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kind of feel uh along the way so the idea of like creating my own units that
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I could like just use as proxies for something else um yeah something I've done for a long time
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oh is he playing with your coffee cup um he drinks out after the dogs up till
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4 in the morning feel feel free to whack it on the table if you like we
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product promotion's fine but uh yeah so um I've always enjoyed
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that idea of but there's a lot of lot of stuff I in the GW background um in the
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in the law that doesn't exist as models yeah but it's exciting and I wanted it
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to exist in on my table so converting yeah is defined to the the states and was
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working in the Baltimore head office they had a room there that was full of
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bits oh right known as the bits room wow there are a few a few like I remember a
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few people have mentioned like back in the day at Warhammer like now I think if you've worked there long enough or something or you have to do so many
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hours you get like 50% off retail but back then it was like the price of
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weight models my weight yeah it was pence wasn't it for all that metal
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give you an idea of pence at the time the new tech model is 15 quid retail and I would get one for 42
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it's crazy isn't it yeah one weight was it was excellent because I could build
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it was like um not not to that level but where were handy when you have a a wife
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i used to um work at Boots headquarters and they had a bu a building that was like uh part of the factory and it was
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just bottles with like poorly written stickers on and I used to go around and you just pick everything up oh wow and
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then they would take this plastic bag home and my wife would just pour it out and go load cheap i found I bought all
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this and she'd go and she go like well some of this she said isn't going to be my shade or isn't going to be what I
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wear but I know someone that will and she picked things up and go how much do you pay for that and I was like 80p and
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she go and I go what she went even with my boots discount card that would be £15
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and you know it's just like you just realize how the the markup and the I know do you know how much makeup costs
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me now it's insane yeah no you can tell imagine me without it
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no it's not pleasant so I've heard that at that sort of similar time that the packaging cost more to Games of Workshop
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than the model did yeah well I know my mate was saying that they used to have area managers for the independent
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independent shops would go out and find things in old boxes and they'd have update the boxes and it was cheaper to
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just come back and go who plays orcs threw them a box because send you couldn't send it back to the warehouse
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to have it ripped out of the thing put back that cost more money than just giving it away process having somebody
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putting it in a box cost more money money than than just giving it away wow okay so when you went to work for Games
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Workshop and you were in retail and then you moved over did you say into into like the promotion studio so uh we
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explain the promotion studio if you don't mind um Oh no worries yeah uh we weren't uh in the promotion studio we weren't creating product uh but we were
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working on things like uh White Dwarf um Australian White Dwarf uh yeah in Australia Australian White Dwarf um
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events like games days and grand tournaments uh both um supporting retail stores and
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independent traders with uh event flyers things like that sometimes we'd create an event and send out a scenario package
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and uh different bits and pieces they could use or um they'd send us out like
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requests and we'd make flyers for them that kind of thing so um yeah there was
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I think uh when I started it was just me and when I moved to the States I think
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there were four of us four or five of us so he's just he's going But he's just
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enjoying himself oh oh are you supposed to have that color i love I love He's got He's got
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good taste what color picked up that was a blue like a royal blue cheers thank you which Which blue was it oh it's AK
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good ultramarine ultramarine there we go these are basic it's nice that he's picking paints
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but you're a bit basic mate you could at least paint baseballs they're hot right now so I wanted to ask
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so this Australian studio you said it was just you like so cuz Australia I'
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I've never been my wife's I say from there but she spent a few years there wants me to go but spiders um but
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Australia I've heard it's quite big like it's bigger than England even it's re it's it it is uh what I call reasonably
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large yeah so we'll assume that it's decently sized then um so obviously
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Games Workshop UK right in the center of the UK smalish country australia was that were
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you like part of the Australia head head office of of So where's that where was that based so that was um in uh in
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Sydney it started off sort of eastern Sydney area moved to Western Sydney uh when I was working in the promotions
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year that was out in that area um at that time we had uh when I joined there
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were three stores right in the whole country yeah there was Sydney City store
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there was Chadzwood which is about 45 minutes north of that across the other side of the harbor and then there was uh
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the store in my hometown Newcastle which is about 2 hours north then I joined they open up a couple of others in
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Sydney yeah and actually after I uh that's when I was in retail yeah and my
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last six months in retail I went and opened the Adelaide store and the Melbourne store oh cool so uh then went
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and moved to the Yeah promotion studio how many um do you know how many what it's like for stores across Australia
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now i think they're I'm going to guess uh Australia and New Zealand probably in their 25 to 30 range oh wow wow still
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not massive but you consider that most of the population around the edges it's not a
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bad amount of coverage really there be like two or three stores in Perth three stores in Adelaide mhm three or four
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stores in Melbourne five or six stores but was was even back then like for for three three to five stores back then
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when you moved into the studio then like how popular was was Warhammer like could
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it could it afford three stores was it a big marketing push to like hey we've got to grow did they get more sales through
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M because it was mail order then not online yeah actually I did uh about six weeks in mail order time and uh that was
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it was me on the phones uh and also answering letters so people would send
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in their uh order form with their checks or their cash um and at go through that
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um and then in the afternoon like 2:00 I'd go down into the warehouse i'd take the cordless phone with me just in case
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anybody called oh wow so how big was this place like how many staff were there oh at uh in the head office at
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that when I was at that time there was probably two or three trade sales guys so person work with independent stockus
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um the accountant the general manager maybe two or three folks in the
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warehouse plus mail order so it was pretty Yeah yeah like you think like and
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then like again Australia is big massive huge place and you've got like all that
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so I would imagine there'd be a good percentage of it being probably through mail order more than store maybe even
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probably well mail order probably um or profit at least from mail order sales
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was probably about what was coming from the retail stores um I think at the time uh generally independent stockers would
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have been providing the largest chunk of um profit but but I think one thing like
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people think about Australia now cuz one of the things I used to do on my website was like do price comparisons for like
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hey if you buy this Warhammer box yes it's 109 quid but you're basically saving 30 40% off retail and I'd go
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through and I'd do it for UK America Canada Europe and Australia and every
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time I did Australia I was like "These guys are getting screwed with prices."
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Like when it comes to paints it's like and I I I kind of get why but is
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that something that has always been there is that something that that there there has always been uh that kind of
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thing but I mean at that time in particular it was something the exchange rate was crazy where like£1 was3
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Australian dollars right and I expect at the moment it's probably one pound is maybe $250 so there's a there is that
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large immediate sort of chunk um one thing I always say about it though like I I was in Australia just over Christmas
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um and I went into the store that I originally started with um that moved
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location but still the same business and I picked up a box of uh like the callus and toll um five five models for $800
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box um pricey but it wasn't 800 sorry it wasn't
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Austral then when you said that then I thought I think that's now is the time to get my Warhammer smuggling into
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Australia but um but no I was like "Oh okay there's no prices on the box." Oh that's
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cuz they have little scanners so I went and scanned it and did the like translated everything i was like "Oh
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actually I would be able to pick this up for cheaper than I can get it at my local store back home in Baltimore
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but also I knew that they were out of stock and this particular box wasn't going to be restocked so I was like "Okay I'm
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going to get it i'm also going to be paying less." So Oh wow okay so So there is there is a bit of eb with the flow
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yeah yeah um I always say as well something to think about is when we always talk about what we're doing or
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comparing like prices and that kind of thing we might use like a can of Coke or a Big Mac meal or something like that
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and Coke is made locally in each country big Mac meals are made locally in each
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country from local products that sort of thing if you were to ship a Big Mac meal from England to Australia it's going to
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cost a little bit more than Fair point just Yeah so I'm not going to I'm not
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going to try that oh no it'll still be the same it'll probably Yeah
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yeah exactly that's the point you could do it but um why would you so so you used to work in publishing then and then
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and for for GW Australia so was that a lot of taking what you got from the
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design studio in the UK and I don't suppose translating it's the right word is it because it's still English but it
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applying Yeah yeah but there was a lot of local a lot of local design stuff as
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well wasn't it cuz I've had I've had I've had Australian white dwarfs and I've had American white dwarfs cuz American white dwarf used to have um
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uh black gobo which I always I was always quite keen on it was its own little section that sort of things that
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they were coming up with themselves and and some of the international white dwarfs were really really good I thought yeah yeah there was a um a good chunk of
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time probably uh until about the mid 2000s maybe 2008 the latest where uh
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there was the core team in the UK who were creating White Dwarf and White Dwarf content everything was focused
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around the new releases and that kind of thing uh and then each country that had
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their own uh studio mainly was like there was a lot of translation stuff going on for the European countries yeah
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uh but everybody had the opportunity to create their own local content um
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usually it' be things like advertising different events going on or list of stores you need to push in that
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country at that time or not push but you know what I mean like Yeah promotions we didn't need to know that there was um
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like a grand opening in Milton KE yeah yeah so um changing those things out
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when we had the opportunity to do that in Australia that was fantastic and I yeah spent a bit bit of time in the UK
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talking with the team here about how we could go about it um I went to the UK uh to the US office for a week to learn how
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they put like basically the final week of the white dwarf how they put theirs together uh because they started
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publishing their own white dwarf before we did in Australia uh so yeah learning all those things from that team and then
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be able to go back and apply it find a find a printer find a paper supplier oh
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wow yeah go through all that process find like make sure we had the hardware be able to do it and transfer the files
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and just to check this was all digital even back then wasn't it cuz I'm trying to think I'm trying to think of that era i'm like we're talking Windows 95 era
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aren't we like yeah I think we he's not trying to say you're old Dave but you know oh well I'm old no we did use we
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used to chisel everything on stone pack it on the back of camels
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send it across the desert yeah um but no it was uh but at the same time uh like
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before we started printing in Australia it'll be things like um we'd have a double page spread which would be a
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digital file that we were done in Quark Express and we would send that file via
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whatever the highest uh sort of internet transfer rate was at the time carrier
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pigeon and we'd send that off at the end of the day and hope come back in the next morning and hope that it had all
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gone through so it was like the transfer times were ridiculous but um yeah when
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that didn't work and there was a deadline at the other end that could sometimes be a little bit frustrating
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that sounds intense yeah yeah so uh but yeah by by the time we were publishing I
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think it was basically yeah we'd be be able to put everything on a hard drive and courier that over to the printers and so you ended up um you you ended up
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and you still now live in the States that's correct isn't it yeah you live in Baltimore did you say
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yeah did did Games Workshop lead you to the States or has that been a post Games Workshop thing oh no that's absolutely
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they did um so I it might have been that week that I was there learning about White Dwarf but they and they thought
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that guy's indispensable well having I hope that's exactly what they thought
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looking at some of the articles you made to those dwarfs I think the US ones yeah
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I I got I had a real I had a real soft spot for the for American White Dwarf i really did hard to find though because
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people in America at that time didn't know what the UK ones look like cuz they looked different they had different
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covers in different numbers yeah so over here you wouldn't know if you were going eBay you wouldn't know if you were
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looking at American Wing English Wver so they wouldn't put it on sale
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saying this is an American white yeah they just think it was white dwarfs white dwarfs so they kind of It's all
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context isn't it yeah yeah and I was lucky enough when I was in the States that um a I found a couple of copies
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when I went off was wedding but also my mom and dad lived in um Washington uh
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for a little while washington uh DC DC and they would post them over to me
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right that's why I've got a copy of Dave Taylor Legacy you know but but it is
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though see unless you know how to look for it which is still hard cuz I feel like I do know how to look for it and
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it's still hard you're not going to know where to find your back catalog really so if anyone
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can help cuz there's not a list of which white dwarf numbers are American checked all right you really are put the
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research in i thought I was doing well saying I quite liked it and then you
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just see road show to the white American white dwarf i'm a giant nerd for white dwarves my cars are just absolutely
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easily the best and um the American ones are worth having yeah they are they were good and uh John Schaefers john John
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Schaefer yeah absolutely fantastic yeah still a good friend of mine and uh yeah we actually share a room at Adeptcon
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each year oh brilliant but uh no I was going to say um I was I was super lucky
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really i consider myself very lucky to have been there at the right time where
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I was incredibly excited and enthusiastic about I was doing i'm still incredibly excited and enthusiastic to
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be honest um but we had the bits we had
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there were so many ideas particularly loads of things coming out of Black Library at the time and each month the
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uh White Dwarf team I wasn't when I was in the pro studio I wasn't on the White Dwarf team but everybody in the in the
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room got to contribute if they wanted to the White Dwarf team would say "Oh here's what we're doing for the next few
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months in each issue does anybody want to tackle this article or that article?" And I'd be like "Oh yep i'll do that one
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that sounds cool or um we've got a new wood elf sprew wood elf archer sprew who
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wants to paint up a wood elf archer i'll do that so um yeah lot lot of fantastic
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opportunities and uh yeah it's led to folks like Tommy and yourself being able to go hey check out this cool stuff
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so where did the um not how cuz that could be a personal question but where
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did the transition out to Games Workshop and the plan to do something of your own was what where did that all come about
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where did that how did that transition go um so the end of it was the end of
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2008 late 2008 that I left Games Workshop um it was a lot of people that
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I worked with in Games Workshop at the time and uh left that left around the same time we defin we refer to that as
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the dark times um it was where a lot of that um ability to be creative or that
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encouragement to be creative was being pulled back to the center so
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um no more regional white dwarves everything was would come from the
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center there might be slight change the only things that would be changed would be store listings store events that kind
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of thing swapping hello for good day and stuff like that
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absolutely uh but uh yeah so it was during that time there the economic
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downturn and all sorts of things sort of went on um the US web team which had
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been instrumental in developing the um the games workshop website or making sure games workshop had a website and a
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web store and that kind of thing um they were everything there was pulled back to the center as well so um yeah so I left
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at the end of 2008 and 2009 started working for War Games Illustrated so
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just on this very block down there Tommy and I actually popped
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in to see them today oh wow just before uh fascinating to see you guys yeah so um yeah so I worked uh that was because
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at the time War Games Illustrated been bought by Battlefront Ministers uh and
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some of the guys that worked for Battlefront i'd worked with a Games Workshop and they were like "Hey Dave uh we know you know how to put together a
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magazine uh how's your history knowledge?" And I was like "I'm really good i I've got a good breadth of
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knowledge not great on the depth but they were like oh we need somebody who knows all the top level of history." So
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you can then talk to all the experts all the contributors everybody's going to be going "Oh yeah i'm really excited about
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this particular silo of history." So um yeah so that meant that I worked there
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another five years for War Games Illustrated this was War Games Illustrated you uh uh Yeah we just had
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with that we had the one we just had the one publication um but we did something like uh we decided okay do we do we
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spell color with a U yes we spell honor with a U oh yeah so all the really
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important questions yeah what did you go for when you have Wait you can't just leave us there what color
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well I was going to say when when you're talking about a um a magazine which is primarily historical wargaming and
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talking about painting color honor and armor Mhm come up a lot so the decision
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was made depending on where the author was from so if you had an American
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author there were no use if you had an English author or an Australian author I'll accept that that was the that was
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the approach diverse approach really so you're Yeah well quite often I'd get to lay out an article that was uh written
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by an English author and so when I was going through and doing my final edit of it I had to make sure that it had be you
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in it and then two hours later I'd be laying out an article from an American author and it doesn't it doesn't so that
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sounds like a scenario rife for errors if I was involved
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well the fantastic thing is you'd be able to cover it up by saying "Oh I thought they were American i thought they were." Yeah it's one of the reasons
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why and this is I'll say up front this is a joke cuz I'm going to throw shade i won't buy Anel Gerald's book Color
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because if he can't even spell color right how am I going to trust him to loan the pain um I can't fault any of
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that to be again yeah that was a joke of course
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support and help if you have Brexit and it means you can't remember to get a U in it when you send in the books to the
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UK what was the point of Brexit if Well I wonder what was supposed to Brexit frequently but you don't get Ross abuse
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please do it on his own channel no don't put it here we need the comments
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so um you So you had War Games illustrated yep and then I started my
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own company um taking all those skills that I'd learned editing photography layout all that sort of stuff helping
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other small miniature companies um do their thing as well all right okay yeah
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so I did that for a while um 5 years or so and then uh I was laying out a book
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laying out a rule book y um I'd designed the layout doing the layout i was
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editing at the same time uh and I had taken the photos for it and as I was doing that I was like "This is I'm
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enjoying this i'm really passionate about what I'm doing right now i know that somebody's going to look at this
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book afterwards and I'm going to be super proud of this particular book wow
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I need to do more of this so it was um then I was thinking but I I don't
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know anything about writing rules so what do I know about i know about
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painting armies so I uh did a book called Armies and Legions and Hordes took about the Kickstarter that was my
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first uh first project i wanted to make sure that it was me so that if I screwed up it was just me that I was affecting
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um there were a couple of mistakes that I made along the way uh I learned um I
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always like to say I don't make the same mistake twice i find uh interesting ways to make new mistakes
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um and then moved on to um so then I decided I'm going to work with other
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people um help them create books people who don't have those skills to create a a physical book about the things that
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they love oh there we go in a minute so we can see we'll get to you in a minute don't you
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worry to me he was to say that one of those people was saying yeah I know and
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that's what I'm getting that's what I'm going to get back to spent three weeks teaching you how to spell didn't it i needed help
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but uh I worked with Mel Bose the terrain tutor we did uh terrain essentials uh so that was my first
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experience working with another author i've not got that but I've heard very good things what we wanted to do when we were building that was um you might
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remember how to make war games terrain yeah oh yeah so that had been out of print for 15 years at the time yeah uh
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so we were like we want to make a book that will remain in print um which is my
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job to make sure it remains in print uh that does a better job of explaining how
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to make terrain so everything in that book is sort of it starts with here are the tools here are the materials to use
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and here's why you'd use them in different situations and then here's the basics here's shaping here's um laying
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down groundwork moving on through uh all that sort of thing to uh tree building trees
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and creating buildings all that sort of stuff all the proper practical stuff
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practical things yeah and everything builds on top of each the previous information oh great so um yeah so we
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wanted to make like the big green book of terrain kind of thing sorry I want to make a terrain book and just call it
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what the flock nice um yeah i I don't know how we came
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up terrain essentials but what the flock would have been good it's very specific
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yeah it is you want to come back come to that as somebody it's something to to sell to people who already know about
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terrain yeah absolutely so yeah might be want to start me own uh start me own your own uh terrain company that's what
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it might be called yep is there a model railway one called Choo Choo
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if not there should be there's there's one that I that I did with my friend Jeff Hall uh called uh the tremendous to
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of epic dungeons where we worked with maybe 20 25 um people from around the
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world who do fantastic uh sort of uh 3D dungeons for their role playing uh we
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basically got them to take photos write a little about bit about it we put it together in a really nice sort of leather bound book oh wow um and my wife
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always says "Why isn't it called hate hate?" I like "Oh curse you." I was too
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big dungeons as much it's always It's always after the fact is the problem isn't it it is volume two will have to
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be halls halls when we had a look at Next Door it is yeah yeah that is a very nice looking book yeah do you know we're
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going to have to touch base with them considering the way we live on the same block as them and we've never we've never been I did recommend the same
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thing all right we put the vlog in the good good good good good maybe see I can
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get one of them in here for fascinating fellow yeah it was uh absolutely cool so yeah I worked with
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Dan for five years that was great definitely cool fantastic but yeah so that's um where that that's where we got
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So you got your skills all honed down before we came to the art of Yeah so
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started working on those and uh it's one of those things I I love miniature
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painting and I love all sorts of miniature painting um how I love I've
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always said I love that looking behind the curtain to find out what's going on how how are things why are things the
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way they are how do people do the things that they do um but what what are they
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passionate about is the the key thing um that I love and it it's it's all about I
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always said like it it's I love to know how the sausage is made yeah so um but
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then it's it's going out and talking to the people that I know first and over
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time I will get to know more people um but yeah working with people whose work
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I admire and I think going into it they
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have a different approach to somebody else that we've already worked with so that include folks like Tommy um where
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it was like I've followed Tommy's work for ages um I was really lucky enough um I've done a lot of work with uh the Nova
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Open Juggable Foundation yeah um and could never buy tickets because I was
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always involved in coordinating all of the the entries so when a raffle a
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charity raffle popped up uh to possibly win a Tommy Soul Titan I was like
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uh I don't have any vested interest in this this was like before the pandemic
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right yeah yeah cool and uh so I bought like £40 worth of tickets and then like
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two weeks later somebody gave me a call and said uh hello were you Dave Taylor are you the guy who bought £40 worth of
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tickets you've won [Laughter] and this 2017 you know 2017 I painted
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that Titan just after I major full on sliced up and it was uh Yeah oh wow yeah
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yeah yeah respect it was the first major thing there it is there it is oh I'll cut to
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that one there we go yeah brilliant oh it's not Warhound sorry a rea right
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quick close the book they need to buy it if they want to read it this is the third time today I've seen a
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reaction the Rever tit because I've never painted one i'm sorry thinking
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numerous ones and it's the one model I just I' I'd love to paint it's just for me yeah and I kind of treated that one
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as as as my paint job but it's to obviously it was it was to go elsewhere
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it was for charity actually excellent said this on a podcast no you don't think the Titans mention
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called Poppy's Angels by a fantastic painter called Paul Bulock and it's uh
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about raising money for children with cancer and things like that and being treated for cancer so the point of that
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that charity was it was don that time was donated to me to refurbish and then raffle off for
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those guys essentially so they you donated your time i donated my time as I was recovering kelly's company donated
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the shipping yeah oh yeah yeah i can imagine that was quite expensive well it
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was it was luckily sorted out excellent yeah yeah it was it
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was a silly amount of money yeah so I don't know how much I just it
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was a silly amount of money but it had to go where it had to go and we just winged it and we made what we
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could happen happen simple as that so when it came to this and the beginnings
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of this Y and you got your first artist
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Yep together how many um how many people did you did you approach many people who
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said "Oh no that feels beyond me." Did you had many people that went I don't think that's something I could commit to
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or have you been quite lucky with everyone you approached said over the over the time uh I think I've had maybe
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three people essentially say no not right now not
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right now no just not now I'd like to do it but not because it is a big
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commitment by by the artist isn't it because I I stupidly when I first came into
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contact with these thought oh well there'll be you and Tommy will be you
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know I I was away or almost literally like sitting next door to each other you know and then when Tommy came on the
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show and said oh you know it was basically cop launch yeah cop launched it not that's what he said Dave didn't
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do a thing he said you know no truth I mean inspired me through the
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process inspirational but um because it is you are you know
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you are saying to somebody you spend your life and most these people who who do these books spend their life painting
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it's not like they do something else as well most of them are professional painters or at least do something that
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could that makes that their day-to-day life so you know being sitting there
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painting a space marine doesn't naturally equate to you being able to write a book so early days or even still
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now does it take a lot of handholding is a lot do you find yourself in the help
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because I can't assume everybody just turns their hand to this and just goes for it and knows what they're doing yeah
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so so far of the 12 12 books that we've that are actual physical finished pieces
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uh only Roman has written a book before so everybody is new to writing a book
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uh not all of them are professional painters um in their day jobs so
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Kristoff Kyle is a um a lot of them are quite creative but uh Oh sorry i do
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apologize cuz I then sort of assumed that everyone was pretty much No Kristoff is a a blacksmith um who does
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work in like an art studio right so we had there's the artist that leads that studio and he uh Kristoff does the
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things that the artist needs uh Chris Suri is a pediatrician wow oh wow i know
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these people find time to have a day job exactly yeah passion yeah sier is uh he
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works in a hospital um Bian Doll is an electrical engineer who teaches in a a university oh so musician you're a
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musician tomy's a musician musician and nerds are
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well but which the musician bit of the nerd wellbe do well i think I'm doing
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all right he's pretty he's doing pretty well can I just jump just ahead jump on
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a little bit with regards Tommy's book most of the other books are a bit of
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people's process and their inspiration and you know how they go they've gone
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about certain particular models and so on and so forth um but when Tommy made
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this book which I I'm not going to say it because he's sitting there or I've had two episodes already i know but
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three hours plus bloody love and not only do I blood not only do I bloody love this book but I this copy I've got
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here is which I'm after the show I'm going to ask you to sign this pen now because my um I'll do it in paint okay
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my little boy This is my little boy's book nice and he's only 11 and he started to gain bits and bobs from it as
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well as he as he starts to understand uh as he starts to understand the hobby um
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he came down tonight actually which was lovely and went I've had me first go at NM
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come on which is more than his dad
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and then do you know what else he's he's he's watches he watches these by the way so he'll be he'll be smiling now but and
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he does weird little things like he come down the other night and he went not including black and white and I was like yeah he went and he held like up like
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four or five paints he went the plan is to paint the whole miniature and using them five colors and he's just got these
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really he just sets himself bizarre little challenges all the time but
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this one this book as great as it is is a real departure isn't it i think um I
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think each of the books is different yeah uh the important thing though when speaking to the artists before we got
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started on everything each each year uh it's I want to know what your passion is
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i want to know about your passion uh so each artist has presented their passion presented their work
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uh cuz working on a book and when it comes down to it most people are only if
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they're going to write a book they're going to write one book in their life right so it's how are they going to be presented and what's the um their their
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focus on what they do why do they do it what are they excited about so folks like Kristoff or Anna or um
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Chris Suri Eric Swinson that sort of everybody has their own take so um Chris
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is Chris Zuri for example is very much uh focused on diuramas and scenes and
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composition yeah this is a very good book to be out an excellent book maybe a guided tour well talk about that let's
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get all this go on if you be mother Toby's in his crate now
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so I'll do the guided tour but uh Yes
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you're going to be Dave's Debbie McGee yeah well if I'm wearing his t-shirt
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yeah there's some amazing stuff in that book but uh when you see the mic stands in the way sort of compositional thing
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so looking at composition in um in Oh other way there we go yeah up a
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bit there we go u so different compositional approaches
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so you can see how the Fibonacci sequence has been used Mona Lisa and go
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with the pearl earring and then how we used it sort of reversed it there for this particular diarama that's wonderful
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um looking at the diamond shape yeah there's the the triangle there's um the
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ratio I think it's a ratio of threes or basically the rule of three
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splitting things into thirds um and each of those things he puts a lot of time and effort into and so being
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able to present that and show the layers that go into making that sort of diarama
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make it much more accessible to um to anybody wanted to try it so uh
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oh yeah Osborne's checklist uh is is a screenshot it now in 4K
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there we go um well if anybody just Googles Osborne's checklist that's that's what will come up it's not Chris
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Suri Osborne that's a um it's like Fibonacci
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newton's laws of gravity but it's all it's all great stuff to sort of be
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looking at yeah so how different composition uh
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shots have been used in movies or Yeah oh yeah you got your rule of thirds on
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that one quite quite a lot which is brilliant yeah i love composition i think that's absolutely Yeah from like
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the video point of view I think that's my um I mean probably not in how I've filmed myself right now
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slightly composition not lighting it's looking a little bit 50s noir with
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that i'll take it happy accident um yeah a busty woman with a cigarette's going
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to come in and offer you some detective work any minute now i would say you know what caris doesn't watch these i'm here
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for it [Music]
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through uh Eric's at the moment so Eric's a phenomenal Q and and volume are
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massively important to everything that that Eric does so this isn't that it
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doesn't have a huge amount sort of huge in-depth discussion of uh color theory in there but lot of great
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examples of here's a triadic color scheme here's a um analogous color scheme yeah yeah lots of fantastic
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examples and that's it monochromatic color schemes complimentary color schemes that kind of
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thing so that's the things that are very important to the way that Eric paints uh
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so each of the books has that that passion how's that even a painting how's that
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even a a painted miniature yeah it's not that is it it just it just that just
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looks like an illustration doesn't it it doesn't it's Yeah that's ridiculous yep yeah if you want more of that check out
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Cat's stuff one of the things I I really love I love
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Katraina Gosska's Kaha um I love her work but getting to work with her and go
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through that process of um she was talking about her her background coming
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from an art an art family or her father's an artist i think her mother's an artist her uncle and grandfather are
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artists painterly style yeah yeah family style there um you go through all of uh
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her history you can see where everything comes from and where it's all led to her work today so there's wonderful really
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solid through line yeah check out uh see you find the um
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some of her uh trip to Norway norway so yeah we've got there's a travel log in there as well oh amazing
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but it's how um she grew up in a a village in Poland
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and uh when she got to travel with her family uh travel with her sister and
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other friends that kind of thing too places like Norway and be inspired by the fjords uh the rock formations the
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shapes the colors those things have all made their way into her work so I really
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love that aspect of it and I get really passionate about talking about other
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people's passions yeah likewise yeah so it's um absolutely
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just cuz it shows in the trip and some stuff well man
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they're amazing of things to be inspired by if you can hear me by the way be honest we'll figure it out
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[Laughter] but uh let me find out one yeah but uh
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yeah it's that kind of thing when you start to move into uh like some of the
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the bases that Kaha does are awesome uh
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sculpted wood and her dad is a a sculptor who works in wood but this is
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him forging tools for her wow oh wow so it's Yeah some of some of the books get
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into that yeah yeah yeah sort of the but that's very important to her as an artist and what uh she brings to um to
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the table we run through all sorts of uh she she's she's a personal favorite of
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mine like whenever whenever I'm at an event and she's entered something like
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they're among they'll always be amongst my top five top 10 to look at at least
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certainly the most visually appealing um to me personally um there's There's a
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couple she's put into Golden Demon when I first saw her stuff I want to say two or three years ago now at Adepticon and
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she did it was a squat vehicle and then there was like an alien tentacle coming out oh yeah and I was just like
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there are there are other things that fit the law and and we'll win the competition come round to the Artist
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Opus booth and show us that and I remember thinking I don't know if she brought us that she definitely came over to the booth and brought Yeah um but
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yeah when uh when she entered that Oh it was when we're at LVO yes yes um and
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when she had that and she's always always one for me that that stands out in it its own unique way and I think in
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some ways when seeing her work at adapt um at Golden Demon it's almost started
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fitting a bit more to the Golden Demon aesthetic rather than her winning for
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her style and I'm kind of like I'd rather she doesn't win and doesn't conform than than you know and
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I'm like but there's so many other shows around the world that she can enter that will allow her to run right like if
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she's still in Poland I imagine Contrast probably the big one for her or something contrast was just this last weekend and she won uh she won a
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grandmaster award there we go like she didn't enter this year but she won a grandmaster award for her essentially
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for her contributions to the community oh amazing so yeah she won when Denzel Washington won that Oscar for Training
50:46
Day he didn't really win it for Training Day right right okay lifetime Achievement Award yeah uh so Oh amazing
50:54
fantastic stuff you can see the the awesome uh landscapes right which are so
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um important in her work and there we go like Oh yeah cliffs like that oh
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stunning oh wow uh and um how they translate into miniatures
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so it's it's all things like that throughout the books um but one of the
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questions you asked before about like handholding yeah um I I love those
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conversations there was one one year where I got to have three of those conversations in a day and I just like
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afterwards I just went and sat on the couch and went [ __ ] yeah I can imagine
51:40
am I that I talk to these people and help them through those stages but how
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lovely is it that's how you see it instead of just sitting down and go Christ that was a day you know what I mean
51:51
that could be terrible to sit back and to sit back in your chair and rain as opposed to sit back in your chair and then roll your eyes that's a you know
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what I mean your commitment and passion to it as much as the artist you know what Dave
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like being one of them guys you helped at least me and I I hope I'm talking for all the rest of the artist but you just
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helped 15 people grow right okay so that's the truth though is
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it you just helped a bunch of people who haven't written and think maybe they can't write grow because I barely went
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to school i got an E for English so at least I can spell well well the English does start with an
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E so you just next one [Music]
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good good let's uh Yeah I I spent time hinging away in the bushes me just
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having a having a quick dad and u you know I just wanted to paint toy soldiers and they wouldn't let me do it in art so
52:48
I ended up failing art which is madness which is madness here I am professional artist
52:54
chuffing book on it actually wrote the book t-shirt
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i'd be pay all about t-shirts but um no it is something that I I am very proud
53:07
um to be able to be in that position to to do that to have the skills that I can
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help somebody else create could something like this can I ask then about
53:17
artists going forward not necessarily telling me artists going forward but there is still there is obviously an
53:24
immense list of phenomenal artists that we're all aware of that y in in the nicest possible way you haven't even
53:30
scraped the surface of yet there's so many great artists but do you still find you sort of spend your time keeping an
53:38
eye on and find going "Oh I've not come across that person before." or are you still looking out for artists that you
53:44
aren't for one of a better term finding people you weren't aware of as opposed to just going through a list of people
53:50
that everyone knows are amazing are you are you finding are you a bit of foot in both camps or are you concentrating on
53:56
working on the people we all know at the moment um I think no it's uh it's definitely I want to cast my net as wide
54:04
as possible uh we're in a a fantastic time when it comes to miniature painting
54:11
in that we've got pretty much everybody who is in this stack of books uh who has
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created these books is has years has decades left in their painting career
54:24
painting careers um so we've there are a lot of people who
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are like that right now um those people have who are passionate who have wonderful stories that we want to sort
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of dig into uh so I think and I I don't want to confine it to okay create a list
54:44
of the top artists no no of course because there's a that suggests that there's a criteria that are that is
54:50
superior well we understand that because you know when the fact when the painting phase the art of comes out you're not
54:56
just looking at top artist and it be like one where it goes on page four here's a photograph of Jeff sobbing
55:03
he's not going to do that it's obviously going to be the the art of Jeff Sori just a book of me just having an
55:08
existential breakdown just tiny little bits and stuff painted i I just thought it was going to be full of pictures of
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Toby and Bella yeah but it would be that would be me way that would be me way of cuffing the top the back end of the book
55:19
to be honest our story I was about to paint this i decided to take some dogs for a walk and then just 12 pages of
55:25
country signs of dogs the rear end of dogs running off into the distance isn't that your job now though anyway yeah
55:31
yeah it is yeah videoing dogs video dogs yeah videoing dog food not as a not as a
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not as a kink as a job as a real job as as a job yes yeah real job
55:43
advance it's interesting what you were saying though so like you say you you're obviously
55:48
like trying to cast a wide net and obviously try and get all those things in and and don't be afraid to tell us if
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there's three more books coming and who they're from but like how how many I'm curious how many cuz obviously like a
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couple of these have taken I think you said it was what two years of your life back and forth yeah oh was it so that's
56:07
still like it's literally a trillion year isn't it and he's bounced back brilliantly
56:14
i tell you what right for me to give up i mean it's recommended in the book as
56:19
well for me to give up the nine months I gave
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up was big cuz like this this tan doesn't you know doesn't grow itself no no no i like to get out in summer and it
56:31
it I sacrificed me summer to to write that book and when you when we had when we had our calls you were sitting in
56:37
that window oh yeah yeah that window i've got a fantastic window getting a
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truck from I've spoke to you i've facetimed you
56:47
from that window you've been in your balcony if it's a nice day and it's later in the afternoon that cuz the the
56:53
balconies the balcony is south facing and my bedroom windows west facing it's a huge floor to ceiling window and
57:00
it get to sit right at the edge and just watch life go by that's your favorite bedroom of the 12 of your mansion isn't
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it yeah i live in social arms really it's true yeah you know but yeah in nine
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months it took and it was it was a commitment it really was how did you
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feel when when Tommy put it to you that his book was going to be much more of an
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instruction manual he said uh well I said Tommy here's what I'd like to do uh
57:31
here's how I'd like to work with you here's what I I'm not sure what you I
57:36
want I know that I want your book to be what about what you're passionate about um go away and have a think about it and
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he went away had a think about it gave me a call and said "You know what Dave i'll do it if it can be my fundamentals
57:49
of painting." And I was like "Hammer what's your fundamentals of painting?" He said "Well part of that is you going
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through the first two hours of the course." Yeah i I wanted to make sure that he knew what I was about to write
58:03
well I I've been somebody who's been put through that ringer so I know how I think you got it harder than most people
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you know you know you should have seen some of the some of some of the comments like Jeff I really fell
58:15
for you the first three hours but not all lessons i'm just going to
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That's coming from And that's coming from a man who's been through British Army Infantry
58:26
the thing is lessons post lessons don't take that long yeah been said with a lot
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of my learning camera and it was it was all you know Yeah yeah it was all very to be
58:37
honest like I think that video actually did a lot of people a lot of framers i got a lot of messages for that i know
58:44
comment the way you made that big fat scouter cry was hilarious made me feel bad no no so here's another
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thing since that though I've actually changed my approach to our thanks let's say that what I what I
59:00
just heard there was thank you Jeff for teaching me how to teach
59:07
some people will still get Yeah after after watching it back and seeing the wideeyed panic I've changed how I teach now
59:13
but it's not that it's the method's now out there public you know people people can have that and and and and glean from
59:19
that what they want you know I think that's valuable for people hopefully it stuck with you yes it has
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[Music] [Applause]
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you go on eBay if you go on eBay there's loads of artists who push brushes and paints for sale
59:39
hit me Tommy every time every time I pick every time I pick up every time I pick up a brush
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no it was do you know it was a it was I felt it was weird to be put through a
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the ringer in a in the nicest possible way of saying that on something you already do every day or most you know x
1:00:01
amount of times a week and then realize on some level I I've been doing
1:00:06
this but I've been doing it But now realizing I didn't really understand it
1:00:12
and it's bizarre to think you do something day in day out and not really understand what you're doing and I think
1:00:18
that's what I took from that lesson was was was the fundamentals of going stop
1:00:24
just doing it understand why you're doing it and I think you know and and and you know and a lot of that is seeped
1:00:31
into the very core of this book as well which is you know Oh absolutely cuz the grilling is in that book you still put
1:00:38
everyone who reads goes through that experience do you know when I cuz um I have a copy of this in my barber shop
1:00:44
cuz that's where I paint most of the time and I have hobbyists who come in for haircuts and I when I try to I punt
1:00:53
the life out of this book right i wipe it afterwards i was going to say the
1:00:59
pages are stuck together yeah and I I do but I punt I punt this book to people and I always read out loud the bit where
1:01:06
you trap the painter into painting and then go "Are you ready?" And put your
1:01:14
brush down wash your brush out put it down why were you about to do that and I read that out and people then go "Oh god
1:01:20
it's like he's actually just he's just there." Yeah I put on I pull on this big H manian accent and
1:01:29
then like then so what I want you to do is put your brush down and have a have a
1:01:35
smirk and then carry on and then carry on and then carry on
1:01:43
brilliant no so I do know but I and I say to Australia ruin the whole show um so um
1:01:51
no I'm not doing that but um I can only do that cuz I'm 30 miles down the
1:01:56
road but um you but and I do say to people cuz when I like I say I do push
1:02:02
this book to to people who've got interest in it and I and I and I say you know it's it's that being taught like
1:02:09
you feel like Tommy's sitting on your shoulder and I think I I took a a lot from that and although I'd read the book
1:02:14
pre my um three-hour torture session um it still was when I sat with Tommy
1:02:20
that it all made some more sense and like I say the fundamental thing but a lot of people in the video who watch the video and some of the comments were
1:02:27
mildly negative like 3 hours of just pushing paint around on a palette and go "No it's like I say it's not just
1:02:34
pushing paint it's understanding why you are and and that's you know this book's meant a lot to me for that." And and
1:02:41
he's doing so now for my little boy and you know and I think you know it's been quite important I think personally yeah
1:02:47
said that yeah I think the um one of the things one of the ways we talk about it being different from the other books uh
1:02:54
it does those things that it that gets you to think about everything everything
1:03:00
about the way that you paint and when you talk about analyzing paint jobs at the end of the the book then you can go
1:03:07
and look at Kristoff's painting and get an idea Kristoff is is one of Tommy's students
1:03:12
Oh I didn't know that he spent a weekend with me well yeah he has now sorry misrepresenting but um but
1:03:20
he has been one of his students and so that fundamentals is part of this
1:03:27
each of these artists has spent a lot of time thinking about the way they paint talking with other artists about the way
1:03:34
they paint and making considered decisions about what they're doing yeah
1:03:40
and that's very like very important so this form is a great um core I guess for
1:03:47
all everything else to be Yeah what a fantastic word
1:03:53
that's why I have this author here what was the name of that subject you
1:03:58
failed again english english i'm so eloquent in me older age i've got to say
1:04:04
I've always educated myself cuz the system I mean I came intending not to
1:04:12
plug me a lot but what what what you're talking about there Jeff is oh sorry and Dave is like the end is
1:04:20
when once you understand the visual language of how the mechanics of painting works then you can go into
1:04:25
everybody else's work and and kind of like visually hannes manual it if you know what I mean you you did well you
1:04:32
did that here cuz we've got a lovely dreadnot behind us which come from uh come from Neil oh Neil yeah yeah and um
1:04:40
Oh that was off camera was it he was off camera i feel we should have filmed that you know yeah i tell you what it was it
1:04:46
was an eye opening experience yeah because you know um Neil is you know wow
1:04:51
how many golden demons i've lost count and you know two to two slayer swords
1:04:57
and you looked at it and in and as beautiful as it is you were able to deconstruct it yeah because when when
1:05:03
you know you know when you have the IUI which is why you had that grilling the grilling is not to grill you or to it's
1:05:09
to start getting you to look look yeah so So if if all you could see was just
1:05:15
base coating then that's the level of ability to see and understand perceive and and translate you know so I'm
1:05:22
putting you in that position where actually just base coing is immensely
1:05:28
practical for absolutely every part of the hobby absolutely every part you know
1:05:33
so in base coing you have an opportunity to improve the way you say consistency
1:05:39
in base coating you have the opportunity to improve the way you set and load your brush you have the opportunity to craft
1:05:46
the way you apply that brush to your model only in base coating what will that do for every other aspect of your
1:05:52
painting and then when you get to what people see as something more advanced like glazing you realize all glazing is
1:05:59
is a really high standard highly diluted base coat all of a sudden how good can you get at
1:06:05
those two things and everything in between your level's just going to shoe up and you need to be able to pay
1:06:11
attention to the tiniest most minutest detail because that's what a top end miniature pay pays attention to he's not
1:06:18
doing it by accident or because he's a natural or because or it's just genetics or pick pick all your reasons he's doing
1:06:25
it because he can see he or she can see can make them tiny adjustments
1:06:31
deliberately and get deliberate results and if you don't develop that eye as your priority
1:06:37
and that the mind to perceive as that priority then you're going to stay where you are so Donna so did that feel like a
1:06:45
major thing for you that once you'd had your two hours with Tommy did you go "Oh I get I get this book where it will how
1:06:51
it Yeah I see his passion i see where this book is going to go i know that it's going to be very different to what
1:06:57
we've had so far." Yeah and it was because his passion is that is the
1:07:03
teaching is that teaching and it's not ju not just the teaching aspect but the
1:07:08
uh those specific things pulling things down from like removing jargon uh almost
1:07:16
scientific repeatable understanding pull strokes push simple
1:07:22
things we even talked about I don't know if you mentioned the postage snip thing
1:07:27
oh yeah yeah Yeah you measure that for him yeah I still them stickers
1:07:34
um but anyway the whole idea was like his his whole philosophy on a postage stamp kind of thing so at the back of
1:07:40
the book there's a little postage stamp but it's all it all comes down to like acronyms and Yeah sort of thing but uh
1:07:46
and we made stickers so everybody who backed the book got a sticker like this
1:07:52
oh yeah read our forestry well you kind of can't it so top line is AC
1:07:59
awareness whom what happens on the pallet happens on the model it's almost like you're
1:08:05
reading it as if it is it's like a Hold on then you've got three con lb three consistencies uh LSB lsb uh LSB load and
1:08:16
set the brush lumpy space princess it's not that no lsb yep load and set the
1:08:22
brush yeah load and set your brush three straw oh the free brush strokes free brush strokes f LBS
1:08:29
fewer longer smoother brush strokes cl oh thank you color and color and location yeah and ASP oh I'm screwed on
1:08:37
that one aspiration yeah well the point is God it was nice to see
1:08:42
someone in the studio sweat with him as opposed to me it's all right we've
1:08:50
been laugh right into your microphone i'd like to see I'd like to see another
1:08:55
publisher understand the material to this degree when they get well done but what what what I mean essentially what
1:09:02
you kind of started it by by by reading it up not reading no by bringing it up so let's put that back one of the
1:09:08
questions you asked before is like who's next kind of thing yeah kind of I'm not going to say who's next and or how long
1:09:13
it's going to go but um I would love to do this until the day I die uh whenever
1:09:18
that is going to be um but uh I put together a list of 20 people
1:09:26
um I tried to keep it reasonably sized uh and then uh talking with Roman u
1:09:32
Roman Leat volume 10 um I've known Roman for ages i took some classes from him at
1:09:38
Adepticon 12 13 years ago um and we formed a friendship from that and uh he
1:09:45
was like "Dave would you would you mind if I sent you a list of folks that I'd like to like to see you work with?" And
1:09:50
I said "That would be fantastic." Expecting maybe he'd send through 20 and they'd match up pretty closely uh he
1:09:57
sent through like 35 almost 40 names oh wow and there were like there was a
1:10:03
small overlap i was like I now have a list of 55 people that's what I was going to say
1:10:09
how many plates are you spinning at one time like so you've got
1:10:14
Yeah yeah so you you're not going to say who's next um just off the bat who is next
1:10:21
i will say Oh you always have your journalistic skills are just We nearly had him what are you doing so uh we've
1:10:28
just finished the the Kickstarter for um volumes 13 14 and 15 so Vince Venturella
1:10:34
yeah oh he's great Vince yeah yeah awesome uh he uh is one of the judges
1:10:39
for the Nova Open Capital pallet paint oh is he oh he was last year as well wasn't he yeah he's done the last three
1:10:45
years um but yeah I love having Vince on the team i I coordinate the judging team for that uh competition yeah uh Eric
1:10:52
Swinson's on that team um a whole bunch of fantastic people on that team uh but
1:10:58
yeah we've got Vince uh we got Tim Marsh from Journeyman Miniatures i've got to say sorry as an aside what I loved about
1:11:04
Nova as well is after everything had been judged and all all the thumbs up and you'd done the ceremony um all the
1:11:11
judges sat there and there were and you could just queue and get the feedback which I thought was I've not seen that i
1:11:17
know you can but you've kind of got to hunt down your judge and blah blah but yeah like to have that I think was
1:11:22
fantastic and just the the amount people can get from speaking to people about
1:11:28
okay what exactly did I do wrong here and get that very specific advice amazing keep doing that go on yeah uh
1:11:34
cool and um Natalyia as well yeah um I met Natalyia at uh Nova last year uh she
1:11:42
Yeah uh but I've been following her work for for years um and I love her use of
1:11:47
color and um light it's absolutely spectacular uh and Tim's work is
1:11:53
fantastic his textures are amazing uh so those uh books um Vince is I think
1:12:00
probably about 75% of the way through his book at the moment oh wow um I haven't started laying everything out but basically this summer is my layout
1:12:06
time i know in the way I've seen the the the sort of laser focus that Vince says and you say he's 75% of the way through
1:12:13
his book does that mean he only started it last weekend generally seems to like on everything yeah he he has been
1:12:19
juggling it through um writing uh Rain and Iron which uh they just released oh yeah yeah which he uncle Adam he does
1:12:27
with Adam yeah so um yeah that's cool that that's come out i've been playing Rain in Hell recently with my gaming
1:12:34
group but uh with those and I have lined up two of the next three for
1:12:41
next year so they can get started as well um one of the things I want to do
1:12:47
each time is have each I want each book to be different but I want each book in
1:12:53
that grouping to be sort of considerably different yeah a different approach different um backgrounds different um
1:13:00
Yeah things well like say with mine it would be the tribulations of trying to paint miniatures while sitting in the back of a a very small space and a large
1:13:08
man in a small space in the back of a barber shop trying to paint yeah and then every so often will just be the
1:13:13
complete horror of realizing there's a human hair in the wet paint on the on the miniature absolutely i mean you've
1:13:19
completely spoiled it now just like Jeff Savory learning to paint through the
1:13:25
tears through the tears that was fantastic but yeah my is wet pile is
1:13:31
diluted by pure pure human rage and upset
1:13:36
this tastes salty but uh so yeah we're doing that um one
1:13:43
of the thing other things I juggle is that I want to because I love this process uh and creating these books like
1:13:49
this um I've just finished working with Oh I'm still kind of working with the uh
1:13:55
team that puts together 28 mag oh yeah 28 yeah I am aware of it yeah yeah so uh
1:14:00
all the the like inc 28 inquisitor 28 um crowd uh there is a team of people who
1:14:06
put together an online magazine they've been doing it for about six seven years uh six volumes already uh you can find
1:14:13
it at 28_mag.com uh all free uh about 200
1:14:19
pages per magazine of really top quality creativity um awesome stuff but they
1:14:25
came when the first issue was released I was like "Oh that's cool where can I get the physical copy?" Cuz I want to hold
1:14:32
this beautiful and they were like "Oh no we're just going to do it online
1:14:37
they got to six issues and then they were like "You know what i think we're ready to do a physical thing let's call
1:14:43
Dave." So they called me um and we put together 28 collected which is a 300page
1:14:50
book 320 pages uh hardback book which is a collection of um articles from each of
1:14:56
the issues so um we kickstarted that back in January uh I think we're going
1:15:03
to be delivering fulfilling in July yeah uh and that's another fantastic project
1:15:09
but there was a lot of work to go through and collate those articles you might think oh they're done already but
1:15:15
they were done for online print resolution is much higher more than four times it needs to be more than four
1:15:21
times as good as online resolution so uh a lot of work that we had to do for that
1:15:26
u but very again very rewarding and cool and exciting the stuff that I'm passionate about kid bashing all that
1:15:33
sort of stuff uh so that was great and I mentioned the book did I mention the book that I wrote yeah I mentioned the
1:15:39
book that I wrote first uh Armies and Legions and Hordes uh I'm writing the
1:15:44
second volume for that oh cool um themes and schemes a lovely um I can take that
1:15:50
again i've in that last seven years I've painted another 15 armies so um just
1:15:56
because I that's what I my passion my hobby passion is is doing that so I'm going to release that do the Kickstarter
1:16:04
for that later in the year um and then lead on to the
1:16:10
next next year and then have just really excited with working
1:16:16
with different people and helping them through processes the the process to get
1:16:21
something that they can be proud of as well sounds like you've got quite a lot on like do you have much free time
1:16:31
it's hard isn't it when your job's your hobby like you It's all time is free time but no time is free time i I
1:16:37
actually have a full-time job that isn't no wait really do you really oh my god
1:16:43
honestly oh my word i didn't even realize that so now you know it's made with genuine love and passion well yeah
1:16:49
this isn't your job uh well it's one of my jobs you have a natural I have yeah I
1:16:56
have natural go to work actual go to work 9 to 5 job do you want to tell us what that is uh well it is in like it's
1:17:03
graphic design adjacent so I work for um a contracting company that provides
1:17:08
visual media services to the National Institute i was I was just impressed when I thought you just did this
1:17:16
so I do that um I I work on a team of fantastic people we um support uh the
1:17:21
National Institute on Aging and National Institute on Drug Abuse wow on there presenting their work to the world um
1:17:28
helping them out just basically doing whatever we can to help them out to do
1:17:33
that wonderful research and science they do so it's as I said it's it's adjacent
1:17:38
it's something that I've been doing for a long time so while mom is not particularly challenging for me and I don't have to think about it when I get
1:17:44
home so I can focus on these when I get Yeah yeah so yeah it's incredible but you were saying just going quickly back
1:17:51
so you're saying like you've just done the last three so like No no who is it who is it on the
1:17:58
Kickstarter for the last three yeah yeah so but you've only got like you've got like Vince for example is only 75% of
1:18:04
the way book through the book sorry vince is 75% of the way through the book
1:18:10
of a campaign that has been kickstarted so what what's the sort of rough timeline you expect for completion of
1:18:16
these things like so you like I'm kind of the question I'm asking i don't even know myself cuz I'm tired and and
1:18:22
jetlagged and we could tell when you repeated the entire conversation that we've had yeah no it's it's like what is
1:18:28
the timeline for like setting somebody up speaking to them you've said 9 months you've had Vince on it the Kickstarter's
1:18:34
done like what cuz what does that look like as a rolling thing for you it it can uh so I think about um I'll start
1:18:41
from when we do the Kickstarter so we do the Kickstarters usually in April May uh last year I think we had to push into
1:18:47
June um Roman has some health issues so we've done that uh but I would usually have all of the
1:18:55
artists on board by end of the previous year so I think
1:19:01
the latest I've ever had somebody come on board is like February
1:19:06
uh during the the first campaign was really I don't know how this is going to go so I don't want any of you to start
1:19:12
doing any work on it until we know that it's fun yeah yeah and that must have
1:19:17
been scary it's a little scary to be honest but but
1:19:22
at the same time it's like if I don't do it that's more scary um just just for me
1:19:29
got to get this stuff out to do it yeah but um the usually around April May is when I
1:19:37
expect the first things to start coming through so I talk to the artist and I say well let's split this into three
1:19:43
chapters four chapters five chapters however many it is um if we get the f the introduction and the first chapter
1:19:49
through end of May into June uh and then through I can start layout and we can
1:19:55
start talking about it and we can mess around with photos we can see how the book is then going to sort of fall into
1:20:02
place uh usually everything comes through by the end of August uh and September is my
1:20:09
last sort of wrap up we go back and might need to make some changes or
1:20:15
tweaks or whatever maybe some new photography and by October I'll have the files off to the printers uh printers
1:20:22
will have everything printed by early December and then we ship around the world as they ship around the world so
1:20:28
we ship to a a fulfillment hub here in the UK which is just around the corner I believe isn't it oh no uh Warlord
1:20:36
warlord they're a distribution hub okay they do distribution for me but we also have uh we use Ship Quest right part of
1:20:44
Games Quest uh who are down south right uh and they um do fulfillment for me for
1:20:50
everywhere except the Americas right and we have we've got a ship across the
1:20:56
Atlantic to uh Game Envy who are my distribution hub oh wow uh the US and
1:21:02
Ironhart Artisan which is my buddy Alex and he does my all my fulfillment Yeah for the Americas anything in North North
1:21:10
America Latin America South America digital copies as well uh he does digital copies as well yeah so uh all
1:21:17
PDFs uh if you because shipping to places like South America and uh Asia
1:21:23
from UK or US prohibitively expensive for a lot of people so we have um PDF
1:21:29
copies of all the books are available through Einhard and yeah and all the
1:21:34
tariffs and everything all so that's and we usually fulfill around February i always say on the the Kickstarter
1:21:40
campaign we'll deliver in April and then in case something goes wrong that's a very sensible way of doing
1:21:46
things so as you very kindly gave us up your gave us your time this evening and
1:21:51
I'm going to shill on Tommy's behalf once more try to hide it i know
1:21:57
yeah just get them all get them all grab more that one um but the
1:22:04
stupidity where outside of Kickstarter yep where can people buy these amazing
1:22:10
books oh okay uh yeah so if you are uh in the US uh you can get them online
1:22:15
from uh ironheartisans.com you can get both uh the physical and the digital uh game
1:22:22
enenvy.net uh Game Envy also sell into about 120 different hobby stores yeah uh
1:22:28
Alliance Distribution is another one um they're going through i've got to get back onto them and make sure they
1:22:34
restock uh in the rest of the world and also like a
1:22:39
little bit into the US um Warlord Games do stocking so if your local game store
1:22:45
uh stocks any Warlord games product you can get these books from them yeah uh
1:22:51
also wargames.com um give you a free screw when you spend certain amount of money
1:22:56
or even when you spend a little amount of money as far as I know y crackers with you our friends um our friends at
1:23:03
uh Element yep yep exactly um good price element yeah
1:23:10
that's where I got mine from yeah there's uh all those places um it's one of those things that I wanted to do i
1:23:16
want to build up a library and if somebody find discovers the series I I
1:23:21
got a message today from somebody like a friend of mine has just given me this book and it is amazing and I want to
1:23:27
collect the rest of the series over time i'm not going to buy them all at once dude um I want to collect them over time
1:23:33
where can I get them from it was that same answer yeah uh but somebody comes
1:23:38
to it in 20 years when we've got 75 of them that's going to be able to go back
1:23:45
and pick and choose and um focus on things that they want to learn first what they want to learn first obviously
1:23:52
how to paint uh and then um light and volume and cast shadows
1:23:58
color uh use all sorts of wonderful things joshua which is not here was great for bases
1:24:06
my next target for for cuz I think I've my weakest area I think is uh being up
1:24:11
to date on Yeah making bases and I was checking out Jos Liars at UK Games Expo
1:24:17
and that's definitely definitely on my list yep so yeah we don't have Roman Leart's Sam Lens or Joshua Lie book here
1:24:25
but I'll make sure you guys get a copy of those which is very kind to me because you very kindly uh gave us the
1:24:32
beginnings of our library of the art of and and a little while ago if you weren't watching and you're now going to
1:24:37
kick yourself to find out we gave all of these away and then we gave an extra one away
1:24:44
as uh as a runnerup prize we gave Tommy so uh lovely uh Patreon member Andrew
1:24:50
Gibson andrew Gibson won all of them and then uh a lovely gentleman over
1:24:57
in Austria I would say also funny enough called Michael Schumacker he won your
1:25:03
one and then fed back to me as well as how brilliant it was which was really nice excellent so it was good have you
1:25:09
anything else to tell us uh well maybe what we can do is uh the next three books so I'll send you guys a copy and
1:25:16
we'll have another three that we can give away to that would be sensational Patreon member that's
1:25:22
something that will be there for you the next three books by so the next three are by uh Vince Vince
1:25:31
uh Tim Marsh actually the um the the back kit
1:25:39
pre-order store for that is open now there we go way to end you Have you any
1:25:44
any questions uh we we had a Patreon question uh quite often they ask uh
1:25:49
silly silly questions and somebody asked if you have a favorite favorite sausage and a favorite cheese this we've had
1:25:55
some debate about this with previous guests um I don't know how good your access to cheese is when living in America cuz they're not as cultured as
1:26:02
us when it comes to cheese are they they've got that thing called American cheese which I'm sorry guys it's not
1:26:07
cheese the one the one the one in a spray can no it's um it's um See how much debate starts already yeah yeah
1:26:15
it's yellow food dye and Elma's glue is American cheese it is pretty close to that it's it's a bit more orange but I'd
1:26:23
say um I'm a big fan of a really sharp cheddar oh so um I love that i It has to
1:26:31
be sharp because to survive the toasting process when it goes on a cheese on toast for me cheddar but I will say that
1:26:36
um during the pandemic uh I end up my uh
1:26:42
daughters went to school a lot of fantastic kids at the school a lot of fantastic parents in the kids we ended
1:26:48
up with a like a pandemic pod oh wow and we would go camping but really glamping because
1:26:54
we go to places where there's like five cabins uh each family would be in a cabin uh and usually on a Saturday
1:27:01
afternoon about 2:00 we'd all go to one cabin and uh we would choose cheese right our motto so everybody bring like
1:27:09
three or four cheeses and uh lot quite a few bottles of wine so uh you have to
1:27:14
experience a lot of cheeses cool sausage isn't quite the the thing over
1:27:19
in America in the way that we have it is it no um they don't do hot dogs at a baseball game and that's hot dogs at a
1:27:25
baseball game don't get me wrong there's something to be said but it's a cultural my favorite sausage
1:27:32
i I would say one more appreciation than my wife has for me one way that uh
1:27:38
sausage is used in America is um in biscuits and gravy oh yeah so it's not
1:27:44
not the u brown gravy that you'd have on your Sunday it's that white stuff isn't it it's Yeah it's the uh sort of the
1:27:50
southern gravy white gravy with a lot of sausage through it yeah um I always love to plug Adepticon yes
1:27:59
absolutely fantastic show uh and great this year yeah i'm part of I'm lucky
1:28:05
enough to be part of the uh spray team so the Adepticon spray team so almost all of the terrain on the tournament
1:28:12
tables at Adepticon is provided by Adepticon and that is assembled by uh
1:28:18
the Adepticon assembly team they go through and build all of that terrain
1:28:23
prime it all um black or whatever colors we're talking about and then we have spray team which is another group of
1:28:30
people who come in from around the country we all go to uh Hank who runs the gun we go to his place uh in the
1:28:36
middle of winter and we sit in his garage um all bundled up and airbrush all of
1:28:42
the terrain oh wow i wish I wish we had a shot like we could show just to give an idea of how much terrain there was at
1:28:49
these insane garage like it is no it's just a normal American garage yeah well
1:28:56
yeah it's only a fourc car garage oh wow it could fit four cars in but um Yeah so
1:29:02
we we do that uh but now it when we started off it was just once a year but the terrain demands are so much now that
1:29:08
it's four times a year wow so flats in Poria Illinois and sit in a garage for a
1:29:14
weekend and Wow produce like 60 to 80 tables worth of terrain how big are the
1:29:20
tables normal size 6x4 but um stuff that maybe sometimes it's
1:29:28
more like 4x4s or 3x3s for stuff like Marvel Prisc Protocol or Legion which we
1:29:33
painted all the terrain for recently oh yeah but uh the reason I mention it is that Sunday morning
1:29:40
uh Hank's wife Diane who is a is a bonafidey Warhammer hero yeah you can go
1:29:47
to like Bungs and find her name on the list uh is uh she cooks biscuits and
1:29:54
gravy all right and it is the best so that is my essay about the favorite sausage is is favorite sausage long
1:30:01
story favorite sausage is broken down into gravy broken down into gravy a
1:30:07
wonderful story there and a morning of spray team perfect thank you D yeah it's amazing no
1:30:14
thank you very much Champs best answer daft question ever because it led to it led to a
1:30:20
really chunky bit of hobby yeah yeah dave my life only
1:30:26
i mean Dave it's been an absolute pleasure thank you so much for coming in thank you very much tommy thank you for
1:30:33
being the added voice to it and being the wonderful co-pilot stay out but you
1:30:38
know no thank you thank you you you you know you you are always
1:30:45
welcome here so it was lovely to see you again but again thanks for your time Dav really appreciate it thank you for the
1:30:51
wonderful generosity you've showed us already with regards to books it's nice to say thank you in person as opposed to just via uh Instagram and if you're back
1:31:00
in the UK doors open and we'll be talking about books god knows whatever
1:31:05
but if you want to come back please come back again and we'll chat some more i think as well like for my uh for my sins
1:31:12
pre- knowing about this book so I hadn't like heard of you chaps and then obviously getting the books meeting
1:31:18
Tommy um having you on and chatting about painting going through the lessons like you've fundamentally changed and
1:31:25
improved my hobby um and you've both done that and that's amazing so thank
1:31:30
you very much thanks for coming on guys it's been really appreciated thanks thank you goodbye everyone bye everyone
1:31:36
byebye oh thanks a patron oh go on and the next three are
1:31:45
brilliant

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