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foreign [Music]
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and today I have the immense pleasure of introducing the man that turns us
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from a Duo into a team some people call him the space cowboy and some people call them the Gangster
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of Love sometimes he makes us call him sir but today he's going by the name that you all know and love
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Mr Peach peachy wow that's an introduction and a half
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Jeff thanks welcome to the team my man thanks for having me oh you're very welcome and you
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Pat are you right there yeah he's behind the camera thanks man slept and I was a Spider-Man's head
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so you um the satellites will look on the wrong way the Rottweilers were
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barking but you managed to dig the hole oh yeah onto the game's Workshop events
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jumped another fence and here you are at a fifth tunnel I don't have George or
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Tom Dick or Harry I had a fifth one it's called peachy but it just didn't look they just didn't look it was too obvious
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so uh yeah it's funny because I was there the other week and it was just Trails two Trails of death they must have been the ones coming out of your
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pocket yeah I used it as base material all the bases now just have all the uh
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the crap from the inside of the tunnels yeah yeah yes out out of workshop and
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here yeah weird it is a weird sensation I must I must admit like working for a company for 20 plus years yeah so that's
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you 22 22 years ago I thought it was 22 it's nearered probably somewhere between 21 and 22. so you how long were you uh a
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painter for on your on YouTube five years I could go with that with the age of my child because I left a manager of
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army painters to join Duncan uh and then I had a child and had two weeks off paternity and a terrible idea starting a
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new job with a newborn
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I had my first child um not long ago after after becoming uh
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self-employed with a barber shop and um you know the way Barbershop chairs would can could drop back into a shaven
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position oh yeah I used to frequently have the chair like that and people would walk past and go I looked in the shop the other day and it looked like
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you were asleep I was good yes I probably was I I had a meeting before I fell asleep and snored and Duncan had to
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nudge me and wake me up I was like I'm so sorry it was one of these we used to do like
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monthly sort of like what's coming out in the next kind of month um there's like monthly product meets
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yeah yeah and Don Murray bless him was working really hard to like get everyone engaged with the new stuff coming out
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and I'm just there
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think about it from my point of view people actually have to wake me up and do a big loud when they came in and I
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would wake up anyway did you say Cut Throat raise around you
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yeah so yeah not a great move when having a newborn but no I think I
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learned a lot in the first couple of months so just to so that we're reassured your wife's not currently pregnant now is she I don't know it's
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not mine
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yeah yeah at 50 years old I can assure you um
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actually Caesar she'll kill me I have to take a runoff just to get into
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bed to go to sleep so chance of a third child's not at me I'm not use this level of conversation I'm live right can we
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can we get back on topic please well this is all we are on here we just talk [ __ ] and occasionally a bit of a
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miniature a bit late off the market so before you
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before you moved into um paint Miniatures professionally you ran a store did yes well I I started in
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2001 um 2000 2001 it was when the Lord of the Rings kind of hits yeah it was even
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before the lord of rings hit the screens because it was like the build up because the box game had been made and they were looking for extra staff so I wandered by
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randomly because I was at Uni at the time and uh I just went in I was like oh this is cool and one of the store
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managed a guy called Chris Pritchard been there for ages as a staff member and at that point he was a manager have
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you ever thought about a job I was like did you guess so I was in Hospitality at the time yeah and so I was cleaning
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hotel rooms which was interesting if anyone's done it it's not a great job it was I worked
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with my mum said it was fun for that yeah but there's some there's some stuff we could talk about that later
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we'll save that for you six months review yeah yeah we'll do that yeah I could say patreon the patreon behind the
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scenes yeah but yes I got I went in he asked me easy for interested and they
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did an interview and then I got the job and I'd never at this point I'd play games for myself and I'd never taught
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anyone how to play a game so I said to my wife Liz I was like can I show you how to play the game she's like not really I'm not interested I was like
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whoa you're stifling my job already but great so I tried to run it through a game but it didn't it didn't pan out
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what store was that Derby but it was great because they did all the training with us yeah but the very
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first Saturday so I think I'd come in like a couple of days up to that point but the very first Saturday was Lord of
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the Rings is out this is the new game system it's like cool um do I get to read the rules like nope
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it doesn't open a minute just teach them how to play I was like I don't even know the rules
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you get to mention on here from time to time my good friend Tim he ran
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um one quite a prestigious store in London and he got the job off the ground
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off the back of being a really good painter and uh he got the job of Hammersmith he was like yes yeah yeah
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and um well a little while ago when I got back into 40K after 12 year break I
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said Jim do you want to play and he went yep but I've got to be honest with you I've no idea how to play 40K and I went
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but I'm sure you've told me you used to take the demo games in the shop he said yeah I did I said well how did you do
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that he said I just ramped up the gore and the violence and everything was a four plus on a roll he said whether
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you're an Eldor oh you rolled a four yeah that's yeah that's past that's that I used to call
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it a peach Hammer because it was like four plus you win nice one but yeah it was it was good time
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actually I remember looking back that quite fondly like just teaching Lord of the Rings earlier and I still like if it gets to Christmas game I really enjoyed
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it I would say and they're probably going to get completely slated for this there are two I'm sorry all the time you
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just great videography terrible painting apparently I'm gonna add to that
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terrible painting don't you worry uh but yes I'm gonna do a whole episode where I just roll fours
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but yeah so it was it was interesting like even now like when it comes to Christmas I get these sort of like
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nostalgic Vibes are just plain like weather top and mines in Mario because yeah always around about Christmas time
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the new game system came out because it was built up for the the film so there's three ears of that and I think I was in
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Derby for started in 2000 left about 2007 so I was like key time which was part-time yeah
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full-time for a couple of years and then got to manage a job managed a trainer oh oh that was that was an intense sort of
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program it's like 12 weeks of training yeah yeah I remember too go and tell me about going yeah they don't do it any
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well and to my knowledge that it's not one of those things they really do anymore and on my course there was a couple of Design Studio wannabe managers
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as well and it was a proper make or break kind of feels like SAS who dares wins if you don't you hand in your
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number ring the bell off you go kind of thing it was intense but you have like Theory weeks then you have like
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practical well my store was Meadow Hall in in Sheffield oh yeah yeah yeah tomato which is where Wade used to work I
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literally started medical the week Wade went off to the studio um or like a week or two later yeah but
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that was fun so you learned a lot on hand stuff a lot of theory and then you just really you know keep adding to it
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but the very last day of your theory is you do a couple of store visits and uh I
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think it's written so you fail but you learn and understand the failure oh there's no like the thing in Star Trek
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that test that captains yes it's a bit like that yeah so no matter what you do there's always something to pull out and
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go you failed for this reason we failed for that reason um and you just get shattered at and then that's when you really learn a lot
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of stuff on on that and it just it kind of involves you to go yep you can't be perfect every time you make mistakes you
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learn from your mistakes it's basically how you deal with a mistake yeah and that was really good and you know I I did all right I got the manager course
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managed Derby for a couple of years and then the job Camp was an Army painter so I went for that and how did you how you
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see I understand the the concept of heavy metal paint and I understand the concept of army painting
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um but how how rigorous and full-on was that how
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like you know how many Miniatures would you expect to do in you know a day a week a month what would how what would
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how what would like if you because I would imagine being Army paints a lot of that time was for the Miniatures that would sit behind the
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heroes for the codexes and things like that yeah how long were you working in advance of
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of the Codex coming out so in that time it was probably and I think it's pretty much very similar still now it's like a
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probably up to a year probably a bit longer depending on the Range and the products but most of the time it was somewhere between
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six months to a year I'll take a little stuff we did for white dwarf as well yes white wolf had like a six-month sort of
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print sort of leeway so you'd work on that and it gets sent off for print and stuff so anywhere between six to six
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months to a year on average um but the interesting thing was because when I started um they had Army painters previously
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back in the day that like painted regiments and units yeah like take the
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protonian Army the heavy metal platonian Army that was you know Dave Thomas did a whole load of stuff for that or whatever
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um karchi who works in the exhibition team reminded me he used to do freelance Army painting so they had Army painters
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at some point back in the past but this was the first time we'd actually specifically employed someone to do
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just painting the back rankers and extra stuff to fill out the arms yeah yeah because I think Dave was a heavy metal
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at the time as well before it was a sculptor so it was all new ground to me it was all new ground to Peter was
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running the team at the time so a lot of it was just playing it by ear and I think the thing that really helped
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embolden his decision for doing it was one day he just came with a tray and it was like 140 yard urakai on it he's like
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can you get these painted by the end of the day you sure and by the end of the day by the end of the day so I was like yeah
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sure I'll do my best so I just went down the old peachy route well at the time because we didn't have like contrast or many shades no no it was spraying black
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I'd literally dry brushed everything with a Scorch Brown at the time yeah right oxide now so dry brushed
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everything with Scorch bound that was my go-to technique for a lot of things because that's the boots and the Leathers done yeah yeah and then I just picked everything that was silver I mean
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also that was the skin for the Eureka idea yeah yeah so everything else it was silver like light sort of like tab odds or bits of leather because they had like
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a light leather like looking closets yeah yeah and we did have washes that point I just got bad at black and just
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coated in Banner black and devil and mud and then just based them and then it was like oh I've done 140 in a day or 142 to
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be precise I'm not going to cut myself shortly and then it was just that oh so these
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are different levels so some of the stuff I did was every man will do the first Five Guys in in like a Warhammer
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unit so you obviously we used to do rank up units of five five five so twenty let's say escape and for instance yeah
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front rank of five will be done by heavy metal and then I'd do the next 15. and just try and match them as close as I
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possibly can in like a fraction of the time did it go further like you know like the heavy metal would do the five
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the first five and then Army painters would do x amount behind that and then to eventually like Jill an accountant
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although the girly went to the canteen did she do no not quite that would have been great another one definitely eased
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up put that spatula down there and get them chips you're doing some rap man's Tails today
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not again uh I mean there was a time when they had the trainees uh heavy metal they'd do the second rank yeah um
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just to build up skills and I'll just do that so my work was lesson but I still had more units so if I know you're not
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in that department now I I well you're not now obviously but you know in that department for the last few years
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because you've been a YouTube tutor what would you say um like guys doing like Space Marines
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are currently working at now what would they be having to do to how many would they be home to do for codex so we used
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to have a rule of two Space Marines a day right um so a squad of 10 across a week and
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how many guys would be uh what would you say the Army painter sizes now uh how many men
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how many people would be in the Army painting oh in the team so in mine it was ten yeah but we'd have like multiple
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projects going off at the same time so like if that um there was a boxer that came that had Raven guard and Tau so a bunch of guys
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would be doing the Raven guard a bunch of guys now someone else would be doing age of Sigma yeah so would like scatter out the work so we because at one point
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it was literally when I was in the team it was like Empire Army books coming out yeah and I'd literally do everything
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which was like the Empire Army the stage by stages for white dwarf the scenery and maybe some step-by-step builds of
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like me making like a right rightland Tower or something like that whereas
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as we went down the years of working that team more products came out quicker so there was more stuff like nearly
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every week it wasn't every month the Codex came out was like nearly every couple of weeks so yeah products then it was like nearly every week because
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there's a new product so that's why you had more army painters you had more work going out in different angles like yeah
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we've got some 40K stuff here yeah we need to do some stuff for kilty war cry ages so by the time by the time the
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public got used to that were aware of this thing coming out you must have been sick of the size of it yeah have you
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it's interesting thing because we did it with the sis of the battle and it was a really I'd like to think an Ironman
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thing for the for the community to see so as a hobbyist someone that loves Miniatures when a range came out so
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let's take Gene cynical yeah I've always liked jeans to the court I got to see all that
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18 months before it came out yeah and I was excited when I saw it I was excited when I was painting it then I got
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depressed because I couldn't touch it for another year or so I'm like well I don't understand I want to play this
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yeah yeah I've done the stuff for work but I want stuff for me now yeah and I wanted it but I can't do anything for like 12 months until it's now out so it
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was like oh and then you forget and then new stuff comes out you get excited by that then eventually like oh they're back in the shop like you know what it's
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been 12 12 months I'll worry about it later on or whatever so the the good thing
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um that from watching your tutorials is I have done for a number of years now and then also as a peek behind the
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curtain the work you've been doing in advance of starting with us officially yeah you still keep a lot of that core
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Army painter mentality don't you because I haven't looked at um your process you you keep your your
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number of paints you keep generally quite low yeah and you're extraordinarily methodical of whereas
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unlike me I I can paint something in red on a miniature and then wander offered to seven different colors and they'll
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remember that there's something else that needs to be read yeah and come back to it but you're so do you think that
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that at that time as you're on the as an army painter I was really stuck to you in good steads is that you continually
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keep that mentality yeah I think I had a bit of that when I was in retail because he's doing a lot of stuff for the cabinets yeah um and I paint quite fast
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which is why I applied for the the Army paint and jump but over the years of like working through projects and it
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being a profession you want to cut as many corners as you can still make it look as awesome as it possibly can be
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but also make the process as Swift so there's less going back and yeah touching this bit up and all I need to
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apply another color here or I've done that color four times now across this morning when I could have just done it once or twice so that that's the thing
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that and it's a big thing I've always said this to a lot of our folks that have ever watched the channel that we when I was at in workshop and stuff test
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models always do a test model and every now and again as a hobbyist there's a difference between a professional paint
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and a hobby and just doing it fit for fun sometimes I just paint a figure for fun yeah and I and I don't follow any of
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the rules I've written down I just stick color and just go I really like that bit of silver though I want a bit of red I
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said that bit of red to the hill but that's also if I wanted to turn that color scheme into an army I've now got
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that test model and I've worked that process in my head of like actually what's easy to do here is spray the whole lot of silver
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pick out all the gold yeah wash everything over the model then do the red on everything then do the black
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because the black's slightly higher up than the red yeah yeah so for making mistakes on if I did the black first I'd
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end up getting some red on the back and it's that kind of thing where you you balance out what's easier what's and sometimes it might be like there's a
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design on a shield that's gold but you just want to really heavily paint that Shield red yeah and then go I'll add the
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extra bit of gold later because if I'm neatly trying to paint around you know you're gonna you're gonna yeah exactly
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so that will slow you down so obviously everybody watching this will
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know that get heavily invested in the Games Workshop product but you also
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paint and game with other things don't you so yeah because I know that you do and you can correct me if I'm if there's
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more to it I know you do napoleonics as well and I also know that you do a Star
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Wars Legion wait have you got anything else oh there's loads I made my own game system at one point all right a spy-fi
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sort of game where I made um a bunch of spies James Bond base still yeah talk
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about James Bond I like James Bond I've always liked the movies watched them all so I made like a set of uh characters
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and a set of rules it was kind of a mix between like a tabletop war game and a bit of role play yeah yeah and I did it with Duncan a bunch of mates and the
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idea is you you pick a character you have like agents and sort of I guess
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minor agents yeah or Sidekicks if you like and most players will have an agent
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and a sidekick and you have a number of action points that you can do things in other skill points which can do things
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as well but the action point source Act is your wins so when you start taken when you could do less stuff in the game
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right but the the rule of the premise of this game was you always win because it's you it's almost it's a James
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bondage exactly yeah but it's always about how many henchmen you could take down and
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how quickly you can do this job and how many of your actual spies get taken out the the key to the game was Flair really
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yeah yeah and I always used to have a special thing like if you wanted to describe so I learned this from a game system called black powder which is what
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I use for napoleonics yeah I don't know if you've ever played black powder no I'm aware of it but it's a very fun game
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system so I have an opponent of an army Duncan's got on a pentagon Army we Ray our army out on a table and what you do
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is it follows the um War Master rule set that came out many years ago yeah yeah I've played Walmart yeah so it's that
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you literally give your regiment a command and like many existence examples
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of doing this is I would literally gather my Regiment of like I don't know 95th rifles and I'd be like they're
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going to run to that Hedgerow and then they're going to fire on that French column yeah you do you command check and
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depending on how well you do decides how many of those actions you get to complete all right so it might
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just be I run to the Hedgerow but I don't get to open fire the worst one I ever did I was talking to someone on
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Instagram about this was I I was the idea is not to be too ambitious yeah so I went my Regiment of line is going to
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form into March column they're going to March up the hill and they're going to form back into line and they're going to
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open fire on those French I formed into March column moved a little bit and then
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was exposed by Karen just got roots in it in Duncan's next turn he just like charged them all down so
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um the the James Bond game I made is I made a thing called the 007 role whereas you roll two dice if you get a seven
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you get to do the action you want to do and it could be like I want to shoot that um fire extinguisher it's going to go
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down the corridor pump all those smoke and I'm going to run through without being spotted by the guards roll a
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double 07 action if you get any sevens yeah you do it if you don't then you alert the guards and it's all hell
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breaks loose so you know it's gone loud um so you know I did that game and I
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made my own which was like a mix between battlefleet Gothic and that game system so you had a ship with like because I'm
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a fan of Star Trek as well you had a ship with like engineers and stuff and depending on your ship in the battlefield Gothic map where that got
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hit would affect the actual physical ship that you're playing so you can get boarded you might have like entire
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sections to get exposed to the vacuum of space so you might even have like your Marine Corps in there they're ready to repel board and they all get sucked out
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into space yeah because we me and uh me and my pal have looked at the idea of doing um
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uh I I get a campaign where you play on the remember the old um the old Battle farmageddon Board Game
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yes yeah you know you take cities and so on and we thought we'll start with that yeah and then that will turn into 40K
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but then resources or blowing something up that your opponent might need to get
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hold of would drop into kill team yeah so you know playing across a number of sizes so you play Legion you play your
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own yeah I've not played them for a little while but they're uh you might have to do that on the show
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do you do double in second world war so I did for a time and there's a guy I worked with who made his own rules and
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in fact there's quite a few guys that liked that was the time early Design Studio where we just like come up with rules ideas and that's yeah the James
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Bond game came into fruition um but at a little tablet bolt action
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not played it for a while but we've recently acquired a set so I'll be taking that up again good game system
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but I did do um some gym and paratroopers falsham Jaeger yeah and then some Soviets
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um but I've always liked the British paratroopers from on them so I always want to do like an operation Market Garden and some of that do you fancy
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doing for us on the show why not I've got the models at home yeah
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we can totally do that so we're gonna call that's that's the thing is although me and Pat have been very I've been very
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limited to 40K because that's predominantly what we we like and it's what Pat's got to know from working the
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Games Workshop and it's what I've always I've played I've dabbled before in um
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the beautiful Miniatures great game and then the Greek got the better and was unfortunately was rackham's
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confrontation oh yeah it's absolutely yeah beautiful Miniatures and then they decided to go let's not do that anymore
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let's do pre-planes and plastic and they were dead within a year yeah and I also used to play Infinity yeah I've not
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never played Infinity but I've always I think the gothic
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violence and horror and sci-fi of 40K is what's always pull me back and really
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speaking what pulled me back after uh 12 years off it was the fact I'd like to find a better way of saying it what
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Games Workshop groomed my son Scouts well yeah I mean you know he went to
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Scouts one night and came home out of the blue one with a really horrendously painted space I want to play that yeah
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and I actually remember my wife God wants to play what and I went he wants to play Warhammer 40 000 and I actually
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remember my wife's word to me oh for the emperor well I've never been there once before
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with one man child and the actual child wants to play it as well so yeah so you
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know that's what we me and Pat mainly know is 40k through one way or another but you've got a whole list of things
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that you can bring to the show I mean my my journey of miniaturism War games started way before Workshop
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um and it was like my dad was into napoleonics and American Civil War I did some American Civil War stuff with my
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dad and then my brother came back one day and he was into d and d and he he'd gone to Games Workshop and I always like
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like Knights and goblins and stuff because I'd hear but that's when it really went into the
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depths of like doing fantasy based of because you know you've got like gun lines of like British Redcoats versus
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French and stuff like that having Dragon sweeping around and like Undead Cavalry that was something a bit different yeah absolutely so I mean we really got into
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that and I think that has taken over my life quite a bit over the like the last three decades
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um which is great because I mean I've got there is a great company to work for and
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it is a great company when it comes to like the Miniatures the the effort that goes
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into to making the models and the books I mean yeah sometimes we can argue about some of the rule systems and this that
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and the other but you know everyone makes mistakes and one's human but for a lot of I guess my painting as well
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the ends at the minute I'm still very used to the Citadel paint the system sit or paints yeah as time goes on we've
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experienced with some recent paint guards I've used this paint and I've used that paint that's new yeah dirty damn rust is my new favorite paint it
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will be for a long long time just like one pain and I just stick it on I use a hair dryer and it does all the rust
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effects I've Ever Needed why do I need four paints and this this must be an ink because obviously Games Workshop is a
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massive part of your life yeah yeah and you made the decision that you decided which is a extraordinarily Brave
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decision now after 20 odd years crazy yeah to to cut loose from there um and
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go on and decide to allow your imaginative process and the things that
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you're interested in to be to be seen on a greater level and you know because instantly when you left and the first
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thing that turned up on on your Instagram page which I think was was probably something Star Wars yeah yeah
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people were already going oh wow this is the other stuff that you do yeah so how's that so far foreign
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to make sure you know I know I got rid of the warmer TV presenter and I don't want to you know you just think that hey
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this guy's just flattening his uh yeah there's all sorts of stuff but now I've moved on I'd gone to do my own thing you
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could argue maybe in a mid-life crisis but you know I'd be a motorcycle when I was 20. so yeah mid-life crisis I'll be
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dead soon my death on YouTube yeah there's a kilo
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by holding an imperial fist that's a way to go anyway well
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yeah but yeah it did feel weird and um because I've got Decades of stuff I painted so weirdly I don't know why but
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some of the really old stuff is slightly better than some of the new stuff and I think a bit of that is the process which
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we're talking about not yeah yeah which is back in the day I was very much like must make sure these highlights from
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them must make sure that's how the highlights on there and I think as I've grown older my eyesight's starting to fail my hand's starting to get a bit
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shaky it's like I'm going to adapt my paint into many people that have those similar ailments yeah and age levels
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um so there are things I know I can paint to a high standard I would never say exhibition level I'll never win a
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Slayer sword not with that attitude obviously but if I put put my mind yeah yeah I know I can bit of application
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picture you'll be there yeah exactly yeah I mean I I could spend and I think that's the thing as well which is really interesting um and I've seen it many
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times where when Army painter's working next to um heavy metal painters there there is
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that sort of self-esteem where it's like oh I'm not that good and I need to now add these extra highlights I'm like no that's not
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what you do yeah you're slow and you're slow and everything yeah exactly yeah it's it's about the spectacle so what
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you the effort you're spend into like uh slay a sword win an entry or like a golden demon you know gold entry is what
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you do on a regiment or what you do on an army yeah um it's the spectacle of the army not the individual so when I
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posted my napoleonics recently I was a bit like oh they look really enough as individuals but it's not an individual no I'm falling off you know with one of
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the the ethos of the patent phase for being Pat has always been we we always
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finished virtually whether it be something participating on his own or
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it's we're painting together or it's a 30 minute challenge we always say we don't pay for a black glass cabinets we
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paint for the idea that this guy will be accompanied by another nine yeah and it's funny in the early days of that I
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was saying it but in my own paint and I wasn't doing it yeah and I think it's really got to me now the point where I
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go no these guys are going to be 10 Space Marine intercessors then there'll be another 10 of them and then there
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might be another 10 of them I've painted five heavy intercessors and I really put the effort into them because there's a
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strong likelihood they'll probably be only them five on the table and then one should look pretty cool they're bigger
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chunkier guys make them look great and then the other guys I always think as long as the sergeant looks relatively
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decent you you know my my son's army with some
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referencing here they just spray painted lead Belgium and given a basilicum gray wash yeah and it's I think we've got my
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son can't paint at all so when I come home with these hero standard for me has been achieved because they look great
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for him yeah yeah but also it's I think that they're just metal colored Marines yeah they all
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shine enough of their own on no highlight because of metal does that but it's a thing of going
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they look good enough and I think it's I think you're with the way you paint you're that lovely bridge between what
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me and Pat do and because you you paint to a really high level you paint quick
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but you also I think painting the way that people have watch you go oh no that's that there's things in there I
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can achieve you know yeah whereas you know people watching me in part and they they go darker I'm not as bad as a
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thought it was yeah
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you know we do the opposite we we paid to make people feel good about this oh wow that's good everyone needs that
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I mean another thing to look at as well as I mean I don't ever expect like these high-end painters like Daz labor or
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whatever yeah retrograde to watch the videos I do but the stuff I teach in that if they wanted to get an army done
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quickly yeah there's a lot they can learn well even well even even translate them to distance because is is um silver
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schools ended up in the last codex yeah I mean he when he admitted he said that I've painted them in a metal color
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because I wanted to have something to play with as opposed to going about
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every one of them in in his standard way that they would have done which would have been after six months they would
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have been 20 Marines with one amazingly painted White Lane yeah yeah but you know so he's gone this thing of going
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even he kind of go to the point I want to play the blooming game as opposed to yeah sitting there for months painting
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stuff and you know it is with Games Workshop it moves with such a piece by the time you've painted gun I'm gonna
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paint all of these there'll have been so many changes and little things will have changed in the game and other armies will be better at this and other games
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like and you go I've spent my life painting 20 assault intercessors and now they're in the game you know what I mean
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and I think he said I think I'm just going knowing you can paint well yeah
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doesn't mean you have to paint well does it no and I think if you know it if you want to be if you want to be really big
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deviant you paint everything to a reasonable stand and then you go but look at the captain yeah look at the
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chaplain or whatever and then it then then you can always just show you complete your painting chops off yeah
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and you know what we've always tried to say is you know we want to help people just except
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just do enough yeah get it on the board you know bases you know bases look great
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the Miniatures painted yeah as long as you make sure everyone's got the same decals got the same unit markers I
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because I it happens to me all the time I go to like because I I'm tight I'm B I
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don't like walking I always use Warhammer worlds as opposed to driving into fryer Lane yeah because I don't want to pay five pounds for your partner
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so I have to walk across town yeah but it means that I often go on a Sunday and there'll be tournaments on yeah yeah and I'll walk past an army and you sometimes
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go wow yeah that looks great and then when you actually stop and look at it and I don't mean this with any level of
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snobbery you get closer and look at these guys playing the Army and you go oh they're really really average yeah
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but you know when you walk past it's just cool yeah the Specter Club it was so strong yeah that it stopped literally
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stops me and go wow and then you go back and you go I think for me it's about hitting those beats like we talk about
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face-to-bases and a great example of that was Dave Andrews so he is a big
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historical War gamer as well he as it bothers me that not many people know who Dave Andrews is and he's been in the
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company for donkeys yeah he hasn't he was the guy the decided Orcs should have green skin which I don't agree with
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because I hate painting green skin that aside and he's done so much stuff he's done art he's done like miniature
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painting sculpting I've probably said scripting three times but now he does all the plastic 40K
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scenery yeah um The Pinnacle of it you know thanks me in
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a lot of pots to to kill team yeah but some of that at the moment yeah absolutely amazing we used to have Ray
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as well we used to do stuff with him but um because there was a age of Sigma scenery team in a 40K and I think Dave
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just handled 40K in his name Ray and Steven May did age Sigma but they've gone off to do stuff elsewhere
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um but for a long time it was just Dave and like the things like the Empire scene like the dreadstone black the witch fate yeah yeah all those Towers
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was like he would just scratch build stuff and then obviously they'd do all the magic behind the scenes with like laser Printing and this yeah then send
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it off and get physically made but he's such a talented guy that when he paints
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he'd come in every now and again with his like Regiment of British for the Crimean War paint everything with base
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coats it'd wash everything and then he'll just sit and highlight the faces put a little bit of effort to the base
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you look at it you just go that's amazing it's neat it's tidy yeah but your face
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is always drawn into their face yeah yeah yeah but you don't have to I mean that's that's where a lot of like my austrians are put up that most of it's
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just washed one color washed another color not even highlighted like
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the brown is just thin down Brown then the effort I've tried to put in is the face and even then I've not gone too mad
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little like brown slits or whatever for the eyes just make the eyes stand down a little bit of definition and a bit of
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effort on the bass and when you've got like 50 of them in a block two banners they look incredible but it's that like
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say the spectacle of scene and go wow that's that's brilliant so you you are literally like an extension of what I
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mean Patty because you you can paint that that way of big group of Miniatures
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from obviously experience you've already spots but in to a really hyper nice finish and like I
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say your efficiency I think is something that's going to come through really well for people who outside the channel I
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mean that's that's another thing to talk about is like the theory behind what I want to do yeah so we've done a few
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videos already um and my theory is like when you get a box at like kill team we've done a video
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for into dark yeah um I want people to get that box set and be able to achievably paint it
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in a few days because a lot of the paint guards were used to do back in the day if you looked at the time scale of for me it's like
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two days worth of filming uh quite fast I've got the years of experience um but for a lot of people they they're
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at school college uni work parents they don't get too much time I mean as a
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parent though it's become quite apparent like certainly for the first two years I had no time to hobby oh well you know
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well you know I it it doesn't make my Barbershop look particularly attractive but I painted in
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my shop yeah I have one of my chairs I don't need as many because now because of appointments and stuff because of
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covered yeah I have a chair with loads of paints on it and in between customers I sit and paint yeah people come in and
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look at me like I'm absolutely weird though you know if it gets the job done and you know and I've learned to teach myself
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I've taught myself to go I know I've only got seven or eight minutes between now and the next customer yeah that is long enough to dry
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brush this coats and Boots yeah you know and I think it is that thing of
35:53
I think people forget when they watch some of the real high-end painters with like the Richard Grays I think it's easy
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to forget isn't it that you look at them and they paint things to an amazingly beautiful standard one of my favorite
36:06
Richard Gray did a plague Marine close to my heart being one of my arms with a plague spewer it looks like it's been
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painted onto a piece of canvas it doesn't look like it's a 3D miniature so yeah amazing but it's easy to forget
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that's his job yeah and you know it's like web people to go I wish I could look
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like that personal trainer yeah yeah he spends all day in the gym that's his yeah yeah yeah and I think it's full
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time it's very easy to get your aspirations and your Inspirations mixed up as yeah and I
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think um and I think being able to say to people do what's good enough and it never it's
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never written in stone if you do 10 Space Marines and then you do find yourself with a few days off further down the line there's no Realty can't go
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back yeah absolutely you know and that's a great thing about the videos we've done is we get the models up to a certain point so you can play games with
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them and then we do the next steps where you can add some highlights here and there absolutely right and I think that's a key thing it's one of those
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things that's optional you don't have to do it but some of us want to do that and it's it's a stepping stone the way I see
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the the stuff I do is a stepping stone like you want to get some you want to play games you want your army to be
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painted you want minimal force not millions of paints every paint available but just enough to get this squad done
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in two three hours enough to get this squad done in two three hours and the scenery two three hours
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thing I've spotted as well is that you um you did with the kill team for thanks
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to the dark is that you um the kill teams I should say is that where possible you replicated paints where I
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could yeah on both squads and again that is leaning into this idea of keeping it tight because
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the thing that me and Pat always found was that when we were watching some of the really good painters it's like you
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go I'm gonna paint this orc and I would look at the look at the process and you go because I've got the Commandos on the
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first kill team you look at you go I need to go out and buy yeah 17 more
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paints than I already own yeah to do that and I need to take a week off work yeah yeah you know which my wife's not
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going to really no no to use my military because she wouldn't be signing that leave pass I'm going to take a week off
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work love not earn any money I'm self-employed by I've got them all Commandos I need to get done yeah yeah
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no no no yeah if anything I might find myself on extra duties I think some of that um that because I've seen that a
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lot and a few painters that I've worked with like use every yellow available and I think when I was in the Army payment
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scene we used to do these paperback paint guides um and they used the intention was there
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were to be released when the Codex came out so we did like the sons of sanguineous and uh The Gangs of not The
38:45
Gangs of Kimora I think it was like the the forces of Camara um which base when a codex came out for
38:50
like dark Elder we had this paint guide and we picked like the main faction like the black heart but then we did some other peripheral
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stuff and I did the Lord Divine Thorne which was like we don't normally see metallic looking dark Elder so let's
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just do some cool stuff and you'll have like a little paint guide a small army and at that time I was like probably a
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lead painter senior painter not the manager um because it was like a crossover of all the teams merging together
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I think people used to call me like Top Gun for for Laughs
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um but one of the things I noticed was you'd have like one painter would use this yellow another paint would use that
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yellow another paint would use that yellow because sometimes we'll have the same painters doing where preferable you'd have like one
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payment doing a a faction or a color scheme yeah and they do it themselves but across the book there's like a
39:41
million different yellows being used and then sometimes in one faction there's like three or four yellows being used I'm like so you've used that yellow to
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highlight that orange but you've used that yellow to pick out the eyes you just use the same yellow I don't
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understand why you've used three different yellows for three different things um and being someone who wasn't
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particularly well off when he was young and having to scrape paints and yeah yeah and mix I understand mixing colors
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because I used to do a lot a lot so when you've got a basic paint set where you've got a red a yellow and a blue and a green ear and a black and there and a
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white there you learned to mix I avoid mixing where I can because it makes it harder to replicate yeah yeah when
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you're doing like one character it's not so much of an issue but being someone who's you know from a a council estate
40:23
not particularly well off um I know that if you minimize the
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amount of paints that still makes the squads or the army look amazing um people will be more invested in that
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they get their army done and as time goes on they they don't mind spending two three pounds on another paint once
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every now and again once every now and again which is why I tend to default just certain colors a lot like black
40:47
Legion this particular gold that particular silver yeah because if I start like suddenly randomly going I'm going to use this silver a lot more
40:53
the people that watch these videos are like well that's the new silver anything yeah necessarily you're tripping them up and yourself to some degree absolutely I
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don't remember and I think is I'm calling you know because collar Theory goes through are always always evolving
41:07
there is something to be said for this at the moment isn't this this belief in what they call a mother call away you're having like one color a new blend all
41:16
the other colors that you need through that color so there's always this okay it's like this this one color is always
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there and to some degree which I think you know it that provides an interesting thing as well so yeah because it will
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tonally keep a nice yeah um feel and visual to it but yeah absolutely it minimizes extra extra pain so the big
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question then this is the one I've been thinking about for ages for you big questions yes a big question
41:42
um and it either for YouTube or for which we'll go into it shortly is um the
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fact that we're going to launch a patreon what haven't you painted that you'd
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really look to people what haven't I painted yeah you'd really love it oh I mean it could be from anything from
42:00
Napoleonic scooter game for example what what have you looked at you thought I'd love to do that what would you like
42:06
to do for for the viewers so interestingly it's it I would say larger
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scale Miniatures yeah and I don't mean like Monsters and stuff like that I see a lot of people doing busts and I've
42:18
been looking at a lot of like 3D printed figures that are like that kind of size yeah and I've never really had a dabble
42:25
at doing like large military modeling as well where you see like people realistically doing like tanks and stuff
42:31
because there's down the line I'd like to do World War II yeah yeah there's a box set come out called gentleman's War
42:36
which has got like British uh Desert Rats Africa core you get a couple of vehicles in that set and it's like I
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want to go that next level because I think for me with a painting phase it's not just me teaching you how to paint I'm also going to learn stuff as well
42:48
I've never used this paint before I'm dirty down rust go back onto that Pat showed at me it was like have you
42:55
tried this before like no apparently you heat it up I was like cool and I within like a couple of night nights of just
43:01
playing around with it I learned a load of new ways I'd like to use this because initially I just applied it straight from the pot heated it up give a nice
43:07
effect I then found if I thin it down take the whole lot whilst it's still wet get dabbles of neat paint it gave me a
43:13
different effect and if I did this effect on that panel and then I did that effect on that panel you get more of a natural looking rust and for me that was
43:20
like life not life changing but I was just like well I can do some new stuff something that with you having I like to
43:27
use it sounds dramatic to use the term shackles yeah but we're being Shackled with the Games Workshop system because of it's not well I work for a company
43:34
they sell certain products I mean there's been many times where I used to get slated on like Facebook because we
43:40
could only use products we sell in the shop yeah of course so when it came to applying decals we don't have microset
43:45
Microsoft I like using microset and Microsoft I've used it loads when I've done my own decals but we don't sell that no so I have to show the way that I
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the only practical way we can do with the products we sell which is gloss the shoulder pad apply the decal gloss it
43:59
again to seal it in then Matt varnish it the best matte varnish I've ever found is thin down PVA glue but we stopped
44:05
selling that as well so um and that was like Anya from heavy metal because we'll do an imperial Knights the time she's like oh PVA it
44:11
dries really matte when it's thinned down yeah yeah um because if you apply it really thickly it's quite shiny because it looks like water but thin
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down so it's like looks like milk you apply it on it just really mattes down and it gets rid of any sort of like
44:24
weirdness there's no streaks like sometimes an alarm immediately we can be quite streaky contrast medium as well is
44:29
quite matte it's quite nice so that's the the newest one I use but but yeah so even then it was like you were
44:35
restricted to what you could do but that makes sense because that's all we sell and if we sell micro our equivalent of
44:41
Microsoft let's keep saying hour it's still there it's still there I'm still 20 years we've got to get that together
44:47
we've got to get that out sorry don't worry you can keep saying because we'll launch our own soon yeah absolutely I'm sure but yeah yeah so learning like new
44:54
styles of paints I mean there's Vallejo out there there's so you're you're have you been into uh element games in
45:01
Nottingham I've not no it's your head's just gonna explode oh you go in there I mean it'd be two places I've been it's
45:07
warlord games and a place called North Star Games yeah North Star is like a distributor yeah they didn't mind is
45:12
walking and looking now I was always blown away because I was like because another thing um we'll talk about stuff I'd like to play there's a set of rules
45:18
come out called Baron's War oh right yeah which is Medieval feudal during like the uh I think it's King John when
45:24
he the whole Magna Carta yeah yeah yeah all the Barons coming together and it's just for me it's really fun just
45:29
painting a night with heraldry and a bunch of retainers with that heraldry yeah and someone I used to play a board
45:36
game called Cry Havoc it's quite an old board game yeah and you'd have like scenarios that if you have like a
45:42
character like let's say Sir Roderick and he'll have like a cool coat of arms you've got a little cardboard token of it you're flipping around you're stunned
45:48
so you have a stunned version but then you get a wounded version you flip it around he's dead yeah and I'll add this concept of like making like that same
45:55
character it's in different degrees of being battered up to the point where he's actually dead so you play the games like
46:01
there's the dead sir Roderick there's the slightly wounded serotics well the spoilers you've done a bit of that for us for kill team as well oh yeah I had a
46:08
bit of fun doing that so thinking about them before we wrap up
46:15
um what do you think that you you've like so far with regards to what we do that
46:22
is really made you excited about journalists really sounds like a real interview question it is yeah but it's a
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good one so there's a there's numerous things firstly I mean I slip into formality when I'm doing presenting yeah
46:33
but I don't need to I could be free I could be conversational um one of the things I've really enjoyed
46:39
which I couldn't really do before is I can explain a process and a pain but
46:44
also at the same time going but if you've got any kind of white at home it will do the job yeah because it doesn't have to be that white no I use that one
46:52
because I used it all these years and it's a good wipe but white is white I know not only that the worst thing I
46:58
know chance terrible to say but there's better ones yeah absolutely I mean you know I I know for wealth I'm talking to
47:04
a lot of high-end painters that don't work for Workshop that this particular Black's the best black that particular White's the best one this particular
47:10
silver is the best silver oil paints yeah yeah so I mean you can be free about that I I can oh those some of the
47:17
Styles and I spoke to Pat about this a lot is like I used to do battle readers and parade readys
47:23
but the the problem with those is they're very formulaic that you can't go outside the lines and sometimes like
47:30
with a battle ready you want to spray a model wash it completely dry brush it and then base coat the rest then wash
47:36
the rest because that's like super quick speed painting and then although that
47:42
takes elements of parade ready in there it's still about already model
47:47
but I think sometimes we we used to restrict ourselves in in uh like warmer
47:52
TV because it's like no this is the format we set down format should work around creativity not the way around and
47:59
so depending on the model you're painting depending on the color scheme you're painting would dictate how you go about that process so doing the stuff
48:06
that we do is like I will let the model and the color scheme that we paint dictate how I the order in which I do it
48:12
now you're fast are you really good a few people have said that
48:24
you're fasting you're really good how are you feeling and I think you must
48:29
be feeling quietly confident how are you feeling about when you uh you get thrown into the 30 minute challenge Arena I
48:35
feel that it's an unfair Advantage so I'll paint right-handed oh that's a that's a confidence I like
48:42
him yeah I mean I've done like I've been so
48:49
one of the events I used to like going to is salute I've never been salutes no no not yet and sometimes it was always like shunned upon because you're like oh
48:55
you've gone to this place where it's historical walk it was like yeah but that's what we kind of started off as a business yeah
49:02
um I always felt a bit bad but it was so much fun they used to do like little um I think it was war machine had like a speed painting competition yeah and a
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one and I felt really bad I was like that's the only time I earned this is a thing I've said to a few black people in
49:15
my position when I used to work for Workshop as a painter like and Duncan pretty much followed the same Mantra as
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well which is I you should never and not should but don't enter competitions
49:26
because it's a lose-lose situation so like paint a competition now that I don't work for a workshop I probably might enter golden demon for really
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fancy yeah absolutely but the problem is when you you're you're a face of Games Workshop and you're considered like like
49:38
Duncan was like the the painting I guess Guru yeah if you entered a competition
49:44
and lost that looks bad yeah if you entered the competition in one like of course you're gonna win well you
49:50
definitely right I think you can pay from right hand to death so so like doing those competitions I felt bad I
49:56
felt I think me and Pat have to talk this before I've talked about before that might be um we've got some uh there
50:02
is a little painters out there that we'd like to do some collabs with so um me and Pat might just run a couple of
50:07
ringers and we'll just sit out and we'll uh we'll put you up but like we'll actually sit there like like Roman
50:13
gladiators Roman emperors with Gladiators you know what I want to paint with I'd
50:19
love to paint with the painting cage because oh he's got he's got the same kind of mentality though yeah and he comes across really lovely guy and if
50:25
he's if you're watching it good on you you gotta you got opinion yes yes
50:31
black templates squads are look really really nice well done man so just
50:36
finally to say thank you very much for coming on board I think we're looking forward to seeing
50:41
where it goes it's going to be really it's going to be mad ride you don't know the half of it well again
50:48
thank you very much for coming on board for having us Jeff and Pat yes to Pat behind the camera today right there
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naked apparently yeah there's a camera just in the perfect spot oh yeah
50:58
he just always does it and he just manages to get it just level and I don't know why I asked us to oil him up before
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and I don't know what that's about I totally sorry about inspiration I don't get it I don't get it I just accept that
51:10
he knows what he's doing and you know his little Quakers we call him in my house pattisms
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so I've been Jeff and I hope you're all excited about seeing
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peachy as I am and what he does going forward thank you very much for watching keep subscribing
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and we'll see you in the near future bye
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