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hello I'm Jeff and I'm Patrick we are minus one Ross again today yeah he's
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he's got a puncture oh I'm belle there's Belle hello B she knows she knows it's
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amazing and then she's like right and I'm done now that's all you're getting I've done enough work to stay in the union and I'm
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off yes no no p uh no no path no we have got a path no Ross only only physically
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um yeah no Ross he's sadly got he's got a punk yeah well he literally he hasn't got a punch yet yes he's feeling
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deflated bless him so he's somewhere getting his car sorted out un he's not going to be able to make it so just the
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two of us again uh like last time although Ross did turn up last time yes yes so straight in big news everyone's
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talking about it it happened only a couple of days ago yeah lvo yes and were
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your predictions correct yeah yeah sort of mostly but but you know you didn't have to be bluming
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you didn't have to be an imperial sanction psyker to know that you were getting yes children but got to be
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honest um got more units than I thought they were going to get yeah and more units
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than they thought they going to go and and I thought the boxes actually quite ramped I thought there was loads in there I think they've done um I think it
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looks like they're going to do okay I think imp Emperor's Children I think it oh right okay you're right are we talking about Emperor's Children First
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sorry yes I do apologize that's was going with yes so like the box is round I was like which box yeah but yes so
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Emperor children which was the one everyone knew was going to be there turned up we thought it was going to
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turn up it did already announced F Grim yeah these already announced F Grim they' shown an image that could do
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absolutely no way could be anything other than Lucius the Eternal yeah the model is thankfully not only just a
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Improvement on the other one which bless it was very very old now but also um
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doesn't look like the old one in a way in some ways you know is I've had a couple of complaints especially in the blood angels where you could release new
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characters and just look like the old miniature just right resized a bit Yeah like the the HD remodel as Ro but I
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think but I think um I think the Lucius model is really nice I think the way they the Whip's far more Dynamic it's
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it's a nicer looking model so yeah and all of the the Lords and champions and so on they've got I think great
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I it is it's a bit better than I thought it was going to be I expected um more just
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I thought they might do um what's it called I thought they might Nemesis claw Emperor's Children a bit more you I
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thought they might just do expand just do Bo um upgrade spru to ordinary chaos but they seem to put in some really nice
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unique Miniatures for them and yeah I like the idea I know it's a thing they've had before but I like the the
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fact that they've kept that um that most of most of the army move seven instead of six I think it's quite cool
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they're a little bit faster yeah they've got a new unit that are three man unit that have all got swords yes I think um
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yeah they call I'll get on to this in a bit a bit later but I think they're probably my um yeah the palatin blades I
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think yeah they're really nice they're they're probably my favorite unit though I think they're definitely some people's least favorite oh they been grumbling
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say haven't I've seen quite a lot of memes about the length of their heads um but there's always there's
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always something yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe he needs extra big head space to keep all your combat information in it
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when you're that with the sword maybe it's just what's in there I don't know just naughty stuff um and then you
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like the uh I really like the noise Marines look great yeah really like them I like the uh I like the slightly over
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the top looking speakers on the backs looks great I like I said before I
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love the there six in a box as well isn't there I think magic number isn't it yeah that's and I like the um I've
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said before I like the organ stops on the back of the weapons and stuff so does look like the idea there is a
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generation of of generating tunes and noise and stuff I quite cool yeah yeah
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I've been quite impressed with the i i it's an interesting one for me because I think I I'm not overly familiar with the
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empis children as far as chos space factions go is probably one I think you sort of got into them when they you got
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into 40 when they had nothing really yeah so they didn't wastel I think and then I think
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my most of my exposure uh to Emperor children is Horus heresy and oh yeah I
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think the emperess children Marines are fantastic and I think we always say like
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you know when they release you know the chapter specific sort of like pray tors and characters and stuff like that they
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look amazing and I think the the Horus heresy emess children um I want say I
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prefer to these well nice P job was well sort of purple were yes yeah they look super Regal very
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flamboyant and all that stff that was and that's part of what they are isn't it wasn't it wasn't it with them if I
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remember rightly weren't they initially the first Legion of Marines who were allowed to wear the Aquilla yes like cuz
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they were very special boys they're very very very special boys um so through my
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own ignorance admitt ly I was quite surprised scrolling through these images uh I didn't wait up or get up for the oh
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good God for the reveal um I was quite surprised how much black there was on there yeah um
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so I was going through and being like all right okay um and like I I
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definitely don't like the idea of painting a ton of these no I think I was
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having palpitations looking at the Army box because that's got two two sets of
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noise Marines in it and then it's quite a chunky box actually and then two two
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squads of like the normal sort of Marines but you can build them slightly differently I think and then the
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character in the middle so there's so many Miniatures in that box I was just like no thank you well I think I caught
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me out off guard a bit because I was thinking that seems a much bigger box for roughly the same price as death cor
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cre and then I had to think but every Horse and Rider is in
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plastic terms is the equivalent of about four you know I thought if you actually if
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you go and buy the amount of plastic in a box and it's purest in its rawest form
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then it's about the same amount of plastic for about the same amount of price but yeah I like I um I quite like
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them yeah to be fair I think it's a good box not enough that I'll be collecting
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them like it's like I'm super glad these exist I'd love to have a go at one cuz
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I've never really painted pink on a miniat before so I'd like to have a crack up one but I don't think I'd like to um I don't think I'd be I wouldn't be
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collecting them there you go enough call I've got enough Blum and Chaos in me life already with having a large death
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guard Army that needs finish and then I'm not going to startop messing around with them boys I think get a pink spray
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I mean sugs has one with um uh color Forge color Forge uh Army painter have a
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pink spray as well yeah and then you could go in with black Legion I guess and black out pretty quick well yeah the
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black will go over the pink without too much problem yeah rather than going pink over black that would take a long time
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that would be a lot of layers and patience yeah um so yeah super interesting I hope people that really
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wanted to love them love them um I don't have any skin in the game really um so
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yeah that's exactly how I perceiv it you know when you see some things come out and you think good on you it's like if
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that's your army like death cor cre and whatnot and you go if that's your bag I
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hope you love these I'm really pleased for you cuz I don't find anything in there offensive everything in it looks
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really good I think to me I think it looks really good but not to the point where I go oh that's it now I'm now you
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know I'm now collecting them which was what happened with me with crout when as soon as I seen the uh soon as I seen the
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the the Rampages I was like oh I now need to have yes CR I now need to have a cruit army and yeah that that's caugh
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that hasn't caught maybe you know what maybe if I didn't have a chaos Marine Armory already I'd May be tempted but as
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I have one I think no I don't need I don't need more chaos that's fine but I do like them and then I hope have you
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got chaos runi well in death guard and you know I oh yeah of course but it's like but I think um I don't need another
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I don't need more of it well you know yeah but like I say if you're a tempor champion fan then yeah yeah I hope I
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hope they were up to I hope they were up to Snuff for you because they are pretty cool yeah I it's it's um we've got new
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chaos models that's awesome they they look Mega detailed painting them terrifies me I think I prefer the Horus
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heresy style of emperess there's well there's a lot less to do on them as well compar to you mean just looking at this
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one we're looking at here just out of studs just on his leg alone yeah you know what I mean so yeah yeah but yeah
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they're cool it's an interesting one um but I think they might have been
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outdone are you thinking what I'm thinking are you thinking uh Soul BL grave Lord I am thinking Soul BL Lord
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again and we go down this path of constantly I don't know how many times I've said oh I don't play a of Sigma but
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dot dot dot you know you know and you know I did it many a time with cities of Sigma but like I think I think this is
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it for me like I think like I can't do you think you're in I can't keep saying
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oh the the Miniatures are just so much better like every I think consistently for the past I don't know three
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four years um we've said God AOS are just knocking out the park and these
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guys are amazing I they really are really good everything in that box looks
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great the rank and file look incredible the horses look awesome yeah I love the
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style that they're painted in that sort of like weathered sort of brass yeah the brass bronze thing going on and loads of
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be degree as well just looks weathering and all that sort of stuff I think like
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there's that sort of thing like you could put some I'm looking at them and I'm like right I could base Co the metal
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and you could wash them or weather them and and have those cool paints do the
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heavy lifting for you and the thing is is the great thing is it's like it's like uh death guard is that when you're
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dealing with something that's so corroded yeah you really struggle to make a bad job of it yeah you know what
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I mean I think you know if you you don't get me wrong if you really know how to paint and you know how to blend
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get some really nice washes blending in and out of different types of you know destroyed arm great but they I think
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they're going to look nice with just with with just run-of-the-mill skill levels you know yes yeah I'm I'm
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inclined I'm inclined to agree like I look at the models and like what puts me off the emper children draws me to to
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those like those Rank and vile I feel like you could knock them out and have them look reasonably good without a
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horrendous amount of kill which I certainly don't have um but yeah I think
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I think I think that's it um I can't keep saying O is the best and then refuse to buy anything which is what I'm
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doing because I going oh City's a sar fantastic but I'm not doing it yes so
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um yeah they are cool yeah I think that's it I think they're so cool and that dragon with both of its forms the
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fact that they you know Games Workshop yet again are doing this uh you know making a kit that that carries a two
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different sorts of variants I think it's they've done a really good job on both of that yeah it's a really really really
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good launch and um do you know what I didn't think AJ Sigmar would be able to push it that
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good again after only the only a couple of epod episodes ago we were banging
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about about the goblins with the Wolves yes and I was G oh that's amazing oh
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they got to top that three tactical rocks yeah and then they bring that out and go oh look we've done this as well
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you know do you think do you think in that office they're just like we're on
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the like every release they do all the reaction just like AOS is amazing and then they just go into work the next day
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and have a massive party and just like do you think they stick their head in on on Warhammer 40K side yeah yeah yeah
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yeah yeah yeah just like throw paper planes at like people's heads just be like we're better than you um
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um but yeah AOS seem to be paper planes that are made in the shape of sanguan SCS um Wings yes yeah yeah it's it is
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really interesting like I I I guess maybe it's a I I wonder specifically what it is but
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AOS comes out and everyone's like oh my God incredible amazing that's brilliant
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and then the poor the poor guys at 40K going like oh we've updated sanguinary guard where are the wings yeah
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I know I don't get me wrong I think in in a defense of
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40K um youve you're painting with a much broader brush when sigar aren't you and
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it's a much younger game yeah and fantasy you know fantasy allows you to just do a bit more where you are you
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have certain restrictions within 40K of you know Space Marines look like this
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and you know don't get me wrong you go well Space Marines can have angelss wings and we go and we're deciding to
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take them off and you go well that wasn't a good move but I know that they it's a bit narrower as to what you can
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do I do agree I do I do accept that AE of sigar has a a wider range of you know
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we're making dragons and we're going to make this put goes on wolves and you can do a bit more cuz like I think well we
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had we had stormcast on dragons a few years ago didn't we and they didn't
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necessarily bring the house down were they storm Drake or something like that then they had that one that looked like
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the BL big uh the that stormcast they had that stormcast that looked like a a
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Space Marine chap on a massive big creature as well um but yeah whatever um well I
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think you've said something similar or I'm just stealing from you from a few chat shows ago whatever drugs the AOS
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design team are on um are great yeah they need to be sharing them I think they I think they would be wonderful and
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I feel sorry for the for the not necessarily sorry I guess but um for frustrated for the people at 40K that go
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oh I wish we could put a dragon in it because you can't um not you're not cuz
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you're not even allowed Wings on Space Marines absolutely right you never know may you never know F down the line they
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might be able to get that in there if they they ever get round to being able to have uh um uh the exodites lar
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exodites where they can have lizards and whatnot you never know you might get there that way but potentially but yeah
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I thought um I the I thought the releases for L I thought were really good got a new version of the road map
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again oh I missed that yeah so we've got the road map again um love a road map
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yeah don't we all but you know this one's been a little bit more going oh you know well this is what's this is
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what's happening and then they showed some random little pictures of bits of
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stuff of of like like codex covers oh oh right okay yeah and the one black
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Templar was on there wasn't shocked cuz they're going to need to be done they're in the list the one that was a bit like that's a bit
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of a surprise was a picture of a um a
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salamander interesting so I don't know whether that's I was like Vulcan
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confirmed yeah yeah absolutely and some of me was a bit like oh salamander's getting the codc
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that's quite interesting didn't I didn't really see that coming no cuz the next big Space Marine thing I think we're
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sort of both sort of thinking Space Wolves right yeah yeah and the space walls weren't shown at all no and then
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they showed this picture of a salamander and then I did the silly thing of going well I first I
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went codc salamanders and then I went Hey cuz I think they're quite cool and then I thought oh actually that could
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just be um which has happened before I thought that could be Space Marines 2.0
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cuz sometimes Space Marines end up with two codec in in the one in the one edition and I thought you think they're
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going they can't release it so soon surely I I don't know and I and I thought it can't be because I thought
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and the reason it can't be because if it was a Space Marine codex it would be an ultramarine on the cover wouldn't it yeah so it looks to me like they might
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be getting a they might be getting a codex so o I wonder what one model we
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can look forward to what what yeah one model yeah probably will be just one model but um yeah you know I wouldn't
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mind them going back to do and they've done this before where they used to do tiny little Space Marine codexes which
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we you know you know where where the big song and dance they are now of hard back covers they were
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justs just supplements you know and I quite happily have I quite happily one of them it looks increasingly like
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they're going to knock out the remaining um chaos Marine chapter uh chaos Marine
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Legion uh codexes one after another and get the three of them done and out the way quite quickly it would seem so um
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which I think will be good if you just if you're that way inclines they did show I said in the the previous show I
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didn't know whether they were going to ignore or lean into showing the plague Marine so and in the the Lords of pox
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actually is what oh is that what he's called oh very good so is my understanding that they because
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everything at these reveals now is pre-recorded yes um they just show it a pre-recorded video live yeah um so they
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present in Nottingham fly to the US show a pre-recorded video there um and so on
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and so forth so it wasn't in the live stream but it was on war Community um
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and everything that was released sort of generally officially has its own video
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cuz they go o what's this and then there's a silhouette with cool smoke and then it's like 360 that didn't have
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anything uh it was just some pictures it was weird so I saw was right and the wrong I said they'll
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either put it in yeah or they'll ignore it for a little while because the the
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the Codex could still be a fairway off yeah and they did the complete Middle
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Ground only on Warhammer Community they they put put a toe in didn't they yeah and um the most interesting thing I
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found about that Marine was that the paint Scheme is very different to the previous I mean it's still green yeah
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but the tone of green is different the style of painting on it is different I feel like the metallics are quite
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different as well it's it I don't want to say that it looks like it's been painted
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in a hurry I've I I I mean what I know that I know that
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might be ridiculous because the Codex is g to come out this year that could have been painted ages ago for all I know but
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if it is if it isn't been painted a while back they've changed it a bit Yeah heavy metals every metal don't paint the
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Plastics no because they're not ready um they paint they paint a 3D that will be
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resin be it 3D printing or casting or whatever um
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I think looking at the miniature it looks like he's going to one of his rules will be pumping a fair amount of toxins around the board by they looking
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at that thing on his back massive power pack yeah if he's the Lord of I I think he's going to be pumping pox around the
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way you just come jump to these conclusions amazes me back nice miniature though um yeah I was more
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excited about him on the sprew when we seen the the the leak I was more excited about him on there I weirdly think the
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back's better than the front I like the I like the massive swords I think looks really cool I like he's carrying it like
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like it is a bit of a burden yeah I do think to myself I hope he knows he's going to get in a fight in a bit of a
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hurry cuz that sword look doesn't look like it's just sliding out of that no you know but yeah but yeah generally it
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will be the minute it hits the Shelf it will be a miniature I buy from my death guard I I do like it but it does you are
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absolutely right it doesn't feel as heavy on the brass on the copper
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on the metal it's all looks a little bit B more a bit more subdued yes yeah um
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and the green is it's interesting cuz death guard I think the green looks more um it's like darker isn't it more sort
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of like camoy olivey sort of green cuz the Green in
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um like the original death guard when they released like he's quite bright isn't it well they really seem to work
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from a they really work from the dark the dark green and the Shadows but then when they come up to it well like you
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know I use it's like white green yeah well I use it um I use AK white green
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when I'm um if that's the right name for it greenish white or something yeah something something something I use that
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as my final highlighter which I is something is because I am yeah in my
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own in my own mind mimicking the the heavy metal paint Scheme but I do I do
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end very very light and they do look like they've gone a little bit of a different way with that yeah yeah yeah
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do you like it people watching I like it but I almost I don't want to say but
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because it's my Army but I am on B and G it's fine you know it's good enough I'll have it in my Army I think maybe if I've
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got it in my hands and I'm paint it I'll really learn to love it I think for me I will probably with that big cloak it's
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got around it yeah I'll probably go back to what heavy metal death guards were in the past is that their um their
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secondary color was always like a maroon so I think I'll probably do that with that and go with the maroon with that
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big cloak that he's got wrapped around him but yeah it's one of them ones I think I need to get it in my hand and get a pink on get a pink brush on it
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before I really fall in love with it I think but yeah but cool yeah the other one for me from there which sort of
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almost went under the radar was um from uh black Library oh yes the um the
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Marines yeah uh the cadians yes sorry yeah yeah not Space Marines yeah and it
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was um are they I think the characters called H Captain lesk yeah I've not read
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any of the books I've seen hair on the front of the books looking Steel in a with hair in a in a big ponytail and off
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she goes tying of of characters and stuff is it do you know what I first just sort of and I know you did the same
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when oh yeah all right you know kadan from a book but um but you know what to
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be fair there's a couple of really belt Miniatures and the nice thing about it as well is that if you aren't interested
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in the book you've got some flavor some guard Miniatures you know you can use
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hair as just a as just aadan Captain you've got a a Mel Gunner with a really cool scar on his b scar on his face
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you've got another one that's got a weird sort of Celtic thing going on I'm not quite sure if I read the books it would probably make more sense a really
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really nice some sort of variant of Priestess carry an Acadian Banner been
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really really nicely painted it's quite interesting on the on the group shot of them oh I was like oh I'm like we
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looking on the phone like you can't even see his face the flag's in the way but no no it is there I just needed to pay a
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bit more attention yeah and then but the absolute killer in that is uh Kar Shand
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Absol Belton Min you know if you are just a commas collect if you are just a guard player and you're not interested
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in that that commas absolutely e yeah with his little power ax behind his back yeah yeah he
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looks a little bit like someone's left the Dak join the Army he's got a bit of
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a Dak feel about him I I can completely you mentioned that earlier very skinny having a look at it now like like quite
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gaunt and very thin and then the jacket being all the way down to Fe yeah but a
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really really nice minip but um yeah that's really cool Priestess is really cool with a B strapped to her chest it
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is a cool little Squad yeah and you and like I say it it just s again just turns up on war comp went a little bit under
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the radar yeah you know again if you're a Cadian player I think it's worth having and I think if you're a fan of
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the books I hope you really they are really H you're really happy with the interpretation of how they've done the
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characters but yeah yeah yeah yeah again um so that was good um couple of releases for the old world we have some
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necromunda which will always be as usual be mental yes yeah so this was ashw
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Nomads I think was it or something or the ashw nomads but um some more some
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more dudes for them and they weird weird Wes yeah oh yeah and the weapon and more
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weapons kit as well for them weapon upgrades all that sort of stuff so yeah necrons are
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never failing to be utterly bizarre and this new piece of scenery as well which is just what are they saying it's called
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I've seen it and forgot about it it's only just now that you've got yeah yeah I um oh Cy I'm not sure if I can uh see
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what it is called um so yeah it's uh it's Bonkers it is Bonkers it looks like
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someone's took a bit of a battleship and stuck it on a stick to live in yeah but some Rin scenery as well more ruin
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scenery which is great if you play or even if you play kill team so yeah do
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you know that's the other thing i' I've said the words now being kill team is the fact I constantly feel like I need
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to be spoiled with kill team is that I've only the Saturday before Christmas did
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they get brutal and cunon and it's a really good great box talked about before that I give the Oaks to my son
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I've started gr the gluing the rattlings together they're really nice and I'm already what's the next one what's the
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next one why haven't they told me about the next one why haven't they told me about the next one it's like plastic crack if if it is an upgrade to brew I
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wonder what it's going to do yeah yeah I know and that's it you know you go you go and you know and I think at one point
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in time I think I very very got it wrong and I said is kill team just there to be
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like the secondary way to introduce 40K for to get new 40K managers in and I
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still think it probably is but I do you do realize that it's very very much now
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becoming a beast in its own right and they how popular it's becoming as well you know yeah yeah and I'm I'm really
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really glad like from the limited stuff that I played of kill team uh I've really really enjoyed it and you know
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and it's I thing we're going to try and get a bit more on this year you know I'm going to try and learn the rules a bit better I'm even um I'm going to try and
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get myself out on a little bit of an Excursion I joined uh the uh kill team group for a bunch of guys who are in
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Stoke oh yeah um and the reason I um picked on them bless them go they
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they'll have to do they're going to suffer is because they have a their Facebook group really seems to be really
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on point and they seem to be U they really seem to be a good bunch of guys so I'm going to um I'm going to get
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myself down the uh down the what the 850 the A500 down to stoke yeah and um is it
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850 852 I can't remember no don't know I try through all the time go to Liverpool
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but I never I never take much notice of of the numbers I've drove it that many times I don't need toore yeah but yeah
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I'm going to go and try and get over and see um see them playing and see if they can uh I can watch them and and try not
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to be too much of a realize how badly wrong I'm getting the rules but because I'd really like to get into it a little bit more this year and yes and like I
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say it just just the the fact now that the teams are so small and cool and quirky that I don't have to worry about
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the fact I need to have an army for them I can just have them you know so uh yeah yeah so I'm going to try and get a bit
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more uh going to try and get a bit more kill team played and then hopefully drag that into the channel as well so cool
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yeah um loads of stuff up for pre-order as
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well at the moment oh God there's so much isn't there 67 items I think there is most of it when I've started going
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through it looks like it's all uh Lord Lord of the Rings lot lots of Lord of the Rings lots of heresy yeah Lord of
28:51
the Rings I think is getting a bit of a a push isn't it cuz they've not that long ago had uh animated movie there
28:58
lots of Rohan stuff yeah and I think that looks like it's leaned into the releases of of games workshops elements
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of that as well yeah loads of um loads of stuff again for heresy with their
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increasing I love the fact they keep releasing milit Marines with a job that
29:17
you didn't know was a job like this guy is like basically the military police for the the military police for the
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elements that work alongside they go who knew that was [Laughter] there's another guy with a different
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stick yes you know but all of it's really nice I can't fa it it's really
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really nice the the quirkiest thing and I didn't think it was something you know
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that thing Games Workshop too we're releasing something that you didn't know you needed till we released it yes
29:48
trophies box it's turned quite a lot of heads that hasn't it yeah yeah it's an
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old one because it's like you know it's like uh it's cuz we've had an I only the
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skulls box from previous I think you've got it I've got the skulls Bo and it's great and it's great it's got loads of skulls in it it's got loads of skulls
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that tick the boxes for yeah um fantasy and then especially cuz of obviously if
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you play Orcs orc skulls or orc schulls whether it's ORS with a C or ORS with a K yeah so there's all of that and it's
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got so you know it's like loads of skulls and then you know many of us over for many moons have been sticking
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helmets on bases be Space Marines or chaos or whatever it might be and I like the way they ' got do you like skulls do
30:29
you like helmet how about skulls with a helmet yes and there's loads of skulls with a helmet and it really and it's 2
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24 quid I think yeah and I looked at it and thought I don't need any of that but I going to use all of
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that it's it's super interesting cuz like you say if you get one character that's 24 quid you're like oh that's a
30:49
lot of money for one model with only one head and then you're like I can have 50
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heads um it it seems in in sort of like Games Workshop land like like of good
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value I think it does look like it's good value it's a tiny box but it provides a lot of value because you can
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use it on pretty much anything and you know and you know got you know good old uh good old half buried Space Marine you
31:15
know that's just just screaming out for a a chaos Champion to be stood on him yes you know what I mean unlike me never
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liking the uh I never liking the uh Apothecary standing on his own mate to
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Space Marine base I never never talk to that but I think if you're going to do it for bad guys it looks cool and like
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cadan helmet yeah and look don't get me wrong if you're a good enough or a
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modeler with enough time and patience in your life to sit there and file a skull down and put it on that spare cadan
31:45
helmet you already had then good on you but for the rest of us who are lazy or inep to be able to have already cadi and
31:54
hair helmet with a skull inside it is great I I think it's it's does a really good job of breaking down
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sort of Kit bashing barriers or first sort of people that are newer in the hobby if they're not like oh well I
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don't have like I've got load of chaos helmets and bits and Bobs lying around or I might pop open a box and steal a
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space own helmet cuz I know I'm going to put like a bare head on one or whatever yeah um it's it you just be like do I
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need a school yes have I got helmets of this and that and and they're beaten and broken and and it' be good for as well
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as if you um you know if you wanted to make your own uh if you wanted to make
32:32
your own stand in for pox Walkers if you wanted to go proper zombie Undead sort of route on your pox Walkers and you
32:38
could have like you know a shuffling a shuffling Cadian zombie knocking around and then there you go you don't even
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have to try and stick a skull inside a pre-existing helmet that are already there what I didn't think what I don't
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think was on there which I would have liked ER if I'm being honest is that have
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liked um some some schulls that were made you
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think they were Marine schulls if that makes sense yes so like um if they like
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Servo eyes or something you know or cuz there's an or with a eye Sero ey I
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believe yeah or skull with like a couple of um with a couple of the studs in their head and things like would have
33:20
been cool but um yeah but I think oh God
33:25
it's rare to say it but I think as games work boxes goes I think it's uh cuz the the the skull box
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is is great and that really I think you know you really have to put your effort
33:38
you'd really be a to put the effort in with that original skulls box to use it up yeah there's so much in it it was um
33:45
I think in there was was an interesting story between the 40K Design Studio
33:50
because because as we all know uh Workshop is very segmented in in how it operates so oh yeah people that made
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like Westside Story in there yeah everyone just walks around
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clicking um is um was that Westside Story where they do that I think so yes
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I'm cultured um yeah it is indeed Westside Story yeah so you have the 40K design studio and then you have the
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hobby I I don't know what it's called but you know they make the paints they make the tools and so on and so forth
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and they make the skull box oh do they really all right that's interesting and
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again with all of these stories you have to say allegedly um they went to 40K and
34:34
went hey we want to make a school box you've got loads of schulls cuz they exist on bases already but they're you
34:41
know pre- molded in blah blah blah blah blah could we you know we're all Games Workshop could could we take them and
34:48
then put them on our own spro no so they had to redesign from the ground every
34:54
single skull from the ground up to then make the skull box so I think this I
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imagine is is potentially very similar um and it's an amazing product I think it's so good and and do you know as well
35:08
I know it sounds like a ridiculous thing to say but as was I look at it now I really like the damage that some of the skulls got like really been cleaved and
35:16
yeah and then the other thing as well I don't know whether they're meant to be disused or the idea you stick them on on schools as well yeah I was going to
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ask if they were functional or not I can't really quite tell some of them look like they are it's hard to know a
35:28
Servo schol is that a dead Servo schull or Alive Servo you have to say functional
35:35
or I don't know or not and I like the fact as well is um as well um some death cor cre skulls as well which is quite
35:42
interesting cuz it's it's it's nice to remember that there is a human head underneath there yes yeah cuz it's predominantly sort of like human skulls
35:49
isn't it but then you've got your skulls and your helmets Yeah I really like the um uh is it World eaters uh or word
35:56
bearers yeah always one of dudes yeah is is that's like Snapped off um yeah
36:03
they're cool they really are cool there's lots on there to like I'm going to um fantastic and you've got like a
36:09
vasid head crout heads yeah yeah there's a few crout heads there um I'm going to try what I'm going to do I think is um
36:16
my little boy Elijah who's um cracking on with his um his combat Patrol box for
36:22
beast saggers and do you know what it's lovely um you know those of you there
36:27
are dads who've got Sons or daughters that paint it's lovely that you really do spot with children that each
36:34
miniature is just got better you can see it you can just watch each Min got better and he's now already got to the
36:40
point that he's bored where he went um the day he went um look at this one and
36:46
he's now uh he's now started doing whatever I don't know the the CL all the
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different Clans for the Orcs but he's now came down and he gone this Beast nag and now had the half blue face of which
36:57
is I start doing this now I was
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like okay so he's he's yeah he's getting on really well but he has said he's going to be painting like dead split
37:09
Marines on the basis isn't he he be like yeah my my AR they really hate Nova
37:16
Marines I just knock our quick howl and Griffin there you go yes but um well he's actually I said to him how you Bas
37:23
them and he said I'm going to do them jungle bases which is what my creu are on so what I'm going to do is I'm going
37:28
to I've got the original skulls box there a load of cre skulls in it as well oh cool and I'm going so what I'm going
37:33
to do I'm going to chop them all off and give them to him and go you stick them on your bases and then all the orc ones that I've got I'll stick them on my
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bases so when we do play Combat Patrol against each other cro versus Orcs yeah
37:46
they look like they exist in the same world because they're both be on Jungle bases and we've got the skulls bit bit
37:51
of brag and rights on the SK but yeah I love that um I love that set as well and also again you know um
37:58
Terminator dead Terminator heads as well you know so they really I really like it because they really look like they've G
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it some thought you know even down to the even down to dead arbites oh which
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is you know which is quite interesting yeah so I think it's I I think it's it's only positives with that well the only
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thing you got to say then is then hopefully because the thing we are the
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the elephant in the room with them is is that unlike the previous box is that it's only
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40K so hopefully they'll do an age of Sigmar one as well further down the line as well because be
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nice their shout on it as well but love that I tell you D people have
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realized they're missing maybe because their heads would look pretty much the same is uh be nice if they' been a bit
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more um votan on it yeah very good point I think the problem being it isn't it is
38:53
a lot of the botan helmet are sort of built into the the body almost like an astronaut helmet
38:59
yeah like it might not be 100% recogniz yeah so so then maybe just a
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skull will suffice and you just say yeah no that's cool that's a botan what would be cool if he' done rattling skulls he
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still managed to have a bit of something in their mouth a dead one a rattling skull but with a chicken
39:17
bone just like a skeleton but with a cup of tea yeah yeah that would be
39:23
brilliant but yeah so that yeah I'm um
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I think right now I'm feeling a bit 40K buoyant oh yeah very good yeah yeah well
39:35
I wasn't feeling very buoyant uh when I was on M calonia holiday last year and
39:41
they released the blood angels and they reped and they released the wrong trousers Inquisitor isn't it funny that
39:48
there 40K boy in cuz we're just like o skull but but skulls with helmets
39:54
on just shows how e pleased be inun that is just a bit of fun but it's I think
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it's so useful really well thought out like the price is decent I think there's a lot of
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use out of it yeah so you know you think yeah 24 quid for lots of tiny little things you go but you know what when you
40:13
think of the value of when you put it on the base of each you know or if you've been you know especially know or you
40:20
know you're you're getting ready for a painting competition and you're doing this thing that is themed around the
40:25
idea that this character is f against these other ones and get that box and you go oh lar skull with a helmet on is
40:33
exactly what I needed for that I I like that you know yeah I think it's awesome I think it's pretty cool so yeah good
40:40
good work Games Workshop on a little box of schools and helmet thank you very much yeah and then potentially another
40:46
tick in the Well Done Games Workshop column oh go on um is remember that sort
40:52
of um that thing called the Warhammer plus yeah I remember yeah yeah I know
40:58
them guys I I I give them money for nothing and then and then they send me a miniature every now
41:04
again I know them yes to be fair the mines are all right so so you have that wonderful subscription service that um
41:11
depending on uh what you value the most you can either um it's quite interesting talking
41:18
to people people generally have the they have the one thing that they value the most out of it so be it the miniature
41:26
yeah the animations um you've got battle reports on masterclass and that sort of thing so to be fair the chat behind
41:33
master class is are lovely Lads and he can Blum and paint and and his instructional work is very good as well
41:39
so we you know I I sadly don't go into Ma I don't go into it very often but
41:46
every so often when I do go in for a lazy look through I look through master class and there'll be something and I'll
41:51
go all right I remember when I need to go and paint that I'll come back here yes cuz he there's um bottles in in
41:57
there outra pain bottles and I've now got um rattlings yes and as we all know
42:03
they they like a beer is it like how to paint sausages or something he's done how to paint food and so like so there's
42:09
every now and then I go through and go right put that in a memory bank and I will go back to that at some point so
42:14
yeah but I generally ignore it yes if I'm being a honest I um I think I
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unsubed maybe two years ago now um because I I wasn't a massive fan of the
42:26
miniatures um and the animations are kind of like in a bit of a weird place and I think
42:32
they still are so cuz now I mean you maybe get what an episode of Animation
42:39
once every three months well I think what happens at the moment isn't it we we they go on they've started going on
42:48
little spats of great and then it goes back to being tumble weed and church bells again doesn't it cuz cuz the tides
42:54
was great I enjoyed all episodes of the tides and then he went ah
43:00
nothing you either get a series or something every couple of months at the
43:07
most yeah we've got a new KD we've got a new um it's like new hammer and Balter isn't it yeah hammer and Balter with a
43:13
return to Cadia return to kadia and it's like you know if my joy would be that
43:18
that would be more than one episode long but I know hammer and Bol normally are episodic don't they so so I think all
43:25
those years ago it was very much sold primarily like the tent pole seemed to be or the highest tent pole yeah uh
43:32
seemed to be the animations well they suckers as a because angels of death was great yes it was it was it was very good
43:39
I think that did really really well and I never really took to hammer and Bolter because I it was like a little bit like
43:46
comic book comic book moves a little bit you know yes yeah and and definitely the
43:51
the earlier episodes I think were very much like that they definitely got
43:58
better there was some AOS ones um that were really good
44:04
and one was good yes yeah that was really good there was one with some chaos Terminators that were stuck in um
44:12
tren's um oh yeah yeah sort of thing spoilers sorry um and then some other
44:19
bits and Bobs there was like a genene Steelers one that was quite cool um and and everything so they def the quality
44:25
definitely improved and then this New Hammer bter that's coming out is just like fullblown fullblown computer animation even down to the fact it's
44:31
doing the old um what is now becoming a bit of a Trope the old um the old horror
44:36
thing of sticking a GoPro on someone's head facing back on them yes
44:42
yeah for creating for tension and panic sort of thing so it seems like it's going to be some sort of horror thing so
44:48
animations being in a sort of weird place you got the Amazon the mega Henry caval Amazon TV show which is happening
44:54
yes um secret level also did a Warhammer episode oh God you know what I've
45:00
watched about three or four times and I still think it's brilliant yes it's great it's really by a ttle shame as I
45:06
haven't watched Ed Nelson secret level yeah yeah yeah I tell you what I I watched all of the first half and I watched the Warhammer episode a couple
45:12
of times and then the second half came out and I was like oh I don't really know any of those games so I didn't
45:18
watch them and that's the problem with that that's the problem a little bit with secret level and I think it's it's more bad on me than than it is on them
45:25
that I'm going I've never played yeah and I'm a bit like you know computer games are Mega expensive like
45:32
you can't play Everything unless you pirate it all and then how much time have you got yeah like what are you
45:39
going to do oh God I never I I you know me and video games AR getting very OD is
45:45
that I'm um replaying I haven't played it originally I'm playing the remaster of um dead space Oh yes and I'm at this
45:55
sort of Ender level baddy and every so often go and have another go at it and then the kids walk in and look at me and
46:01
they literally go are you still on that bit oh dear I'm like yes yes I am still
46:08
on this P yes so I'm not getting a lot of video gaming done no I can't remember the last time played a video game I do
46:15
not have the time um but the point I've been waffling to uh apologies everyone is right so animations they're on
46:21
Warhammer plus they're very infrequent there Amazon really yeah good one that one with the um that one where
46:29
the guy he was from the salamanders wasn't he yes that was part T wasn't it oh no no he was it was his own thing and
46:35
then tide joined into they had they had the sequel to it yeah um whatever that was called oh was prexus was yeah I
46:43
enjoyed that Bri xus 2 this time with ultramarines um was the ties episode
46:48
wasn't it um so and ties ties was really good yeah um like the custodes one was
46:54
really cool um so yeah it's kind of like hovering in two spaces at once what's
47:00
going to happen when when Amazon come on Amazon are now doing animations are they going to do an animation with like a a
47:07
studio or something so this is a bit weird so someone I presume higher up in in Games
47:15
Workshop land um have now put six new shows on Warhammer plus I feel really
47:22
bad cuz I it shows how ignorant I've been to Warhammer plus is cu the sneaked up without we know there cuz I I want to
47:29
say they released them under the radar they might not have done just wasn't I wasn't looking at the right radar that's
47:36
it yeah I was looking at this other radar uh with trench Crusade on it um
47:43
so yeah I don't think that's thebody our GES Workshop are using um yeah the other oh Grim dark
47:50
raidar what that one or that one um yes so it was quite surprising and we had a
47:56
sort of of a rumage through them this morning briefly before we started filming uh so you've got these are all
48:03
none of them are animations they're all people focused um if the are animations God it's got good
48:10
yes um so you got scrap demon which is kind of like scrap PE challenge kit
48:16
bashing sort of challenge that kind of thing uh questing nights I will say on scrap on scrap what did you say scrap
48:23
demon scrap demon yeah it was nice to see it was nice to see Ali Merson which was nice yeah popped in which is lovely
48:30
um and that was quite fun seeing what people could make in like three hours have like a competition or something
48:35
along those lines um questing nights which is a Blackstone Fortress sort of play through well I think that might I'm
48:43
not sure because obviously we only got two episodes in Black both my Blackstone Fortress that might every few weeks
48:48
change into a different game maybe you never know um yeah scribes and
48:54
scriveners which is currently one episode which is um discussion with black Library author cool um and I
49:02
presume will'll continue on being that yeah um probably not the same author
49:08
every time but that get a bit try B quicket on oh that wouldd be incredible
49:13
wouldn't it I would probably sign up for a month of Warhammer plus I think and
49:19
and watch it uh you got Arena of death which uh reads like it's like a big cage match just between sort of like
49:25
characters and stuff How We Roll which is uh interviews with
49:31
games designers so how they write codexes and all that sort of stuff and then you have painting desk which is
49:36
heavy metal uh painter interviews as well so that's like and quite a lot of
49:42
those have two episodes up already and you know and and you know what I I've got to give it to them for somebody
49:48
who's not the the somebody who says a lot of good things about Warhammer plus got to give it to them it's a really
49:54
nice even spread of different things yeah and you know and when with the first was like you know do that thing of
50:00
you know you really really really have to shove me into being excited about Warhammer plus yeah and then as you were
50:06
mentioned them I thought do you know there's at least three of them that I think I will probably have on one and
50:11
Payton yeah yeah that's it that long form stuff I try not to encourage that because that's what we try to do with
50:17
this show is that you listen to us while you P so just edit that bit out yes of
50:24
course um no but I like that long form sort of interview content
50:30
is is is is quick to produce it's a lot less indepth you know you have your
50:38
however many cameras you want we've got three one two three and then we're just rolling um and so the
50:47
editing I mean I edit this as I go which I've got my little dj deck here but I imagine they probably won't be doing
50:52
that cuz they might be sort of you know editing bits out but it's it's a lot um Less in depth than shooting a battle
51:00
report and making sure you get close-ups to The Minis and all the intro shots and so on and so forth like so um great that
51:09
they're doing it I wonder like why a little bit well I think it's I think
51:15
it's for what you've already tapped into is the fact the animations aren't flowing fast enough yeah you know that
51:22
and you know my main worry I guess would be if Amazon have done it and they've gone oh you you can have the rights but
51:28
then if like the the Doomsday thing which I don't think would happen would be they're not allowed to make
51:34
animations anymore because they sold the rights to Amazon um I can't they they're
51:40
selling the rights themselves so it would be silly if they gave them away I don't think game I think Games Workshop
51:46
in the defense are um you know people I know people get upset and and are worried and and
51:53
until Amazon 40K and when Henry comes charging in on his big Stallion and
52:00
slaps it onto the internet for us and goes there you go enjoy and until such
52:05
point in time then where everyone's got a bit everyone's a little bit oh they don't change this too much and don't change that the thing I will say in
52:11
defensive Games Workshop and I know Amazon are really big hitters I
52:17
understand that but I have faith a bit in games [ __ ] in the fact that they when
52:22
they let their IP out to other people it's generally quite stringent of what they're allowed to do with it so how
52:29
much it gets changed and how many things get altered is generally not that high
52:34
yeah so the idea of Games Workshop complete releasing their rights of the animation to somebody else I just can't
52:41
see them doing it I think they are they do like to go this is ours very much yeah they are quite IP protective yes
52:48
and and God bless them for that you know I like the fact that yeah you know they
52:53
now are a big company who is you know having fingers in other pies and
53:00
potentially other companies having fingers in their pies but I like the idea of them going no we still we've got
53:06
a core of how we do this yeah you know if we are going to completely [ __ ] it and change the rules and make people
53:12
angry that's for us to do yes yes absolutely um and and it's I think it's
53:19
good like you know quite a lot like them sort of like not necessarily naming creators and um people who have written
53:26
codec and and so on and so forth I think is cuz you know they have a duty of care to their staff very passionate people
53:32
that aren't particularly happy with some things will say I want to murder this person um and that's bad um so I think
53:39
like it it's great that they are actually doing interviews with the the
53:45
painters with rules writers and I like we didn't watch everything like of every
53:52
single show um so I think it was sort of like um you know
53:57
I imagine it's sort of broad Strokes what goes into writing a codex and and
54:02
maybe that person will shy away from saying well when I wrote the votan Codex yeah um when I was part of the team yes
54:09
yeah that's it so um great that they're doing it and and labeling creatives and
54:16
we've we've um Credit One credits you like we' talked about that quite a bit I know lots of other people on the internet have talked about that quite a
54:22
lot so marvelous that it's happening I can understand why it's sort of like
54:27
behind the pay wall um if they sort of like want to keep you know you can't comment on the videos or anything or um
54:34
you know so the the the there's If people really wanted to hate you they'd
54:39
have to go through extra steps which I think to pay money to yeah it puts people off um so I like some of the
54:47
shows you know it's Games Workshop it's corporate it seems a bit sort of like
54:52
generic question a oo formal answer B what I would like do you know what I
54:57
would like going forward um with their Amazon Deal um and I don't mind if I still have to
55:04
pay for it but I'd like to be a because I'm not techsavvy and I am also inherently lazy I'd like do you know I'd
55:12
like I'd like Warhammer plus to be part of my Amazon subscription so I can sit there and watch it on me big Telly yes
55:20
do you know what I mean oh cuz you you don't get Warhammer Plus on your big TV do you no I don't get Warhammer Plus on your big TV all of my all all of my
55:26
television that I consume comes through my PlayStation yeah so um you know it'd
55:33
be nice to be able to you know war hammer plus through me big Telly so I can sit and watch the tides on a big
55:38
screen without I start bouncing stuff from one thing to I haven't got one of them Apple TV systems of you know but I
55:45
think you know if they're going to start getting into bed with things you know I think if I um if I could be able to have
55:53
another bit that I interact with through amaz and that open my my war hammer Plus
55:59
for me that would be quite nice yeah and i' probably be a little bit inclined to more to watch it more but um I've got to
56:05
be honest I feel a little bit embarrassed that they've done all of that and I haven't noticed I feel a little bit oh they're rubbish oh oh hang
56:11
on they've got what I noticed the um I noticed the job descriptions going up um
56:17
like I I have uh job notifications for like video stuff in Nottingham and uh pre Christmas there was well like yeah
56:24
there was quite a few jobs going for Warhammer plus I recognize the job description because it hasn't changed
56:29
since I applied in 2020 I think late 2020 then I started
56:35
working there in 2021 um so yeah that was very similar and then there was sort of like a higher
56:41
up one as well um and they still don't advertise how much the job is and all
56:46
that sort of stuff which is a bit [ __ ] um and uh you just you're proud to be
56:52
part of the family you just work there for free you're a family and you do you do anything for family including free
56:58
stuff um working for pean no and it's not it's not peanuts really but um um it
57:05
is once you've used to but it is on you've used to Discount yes yeah yeah yeah that's it I remember the when you
57:11
get home and you go got much to bring home this month yeah I remember the head of security given me the tour and he was
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like the discounts lethal because you think you'll buy the same amount for half the price but you'll just buy twice as much yeah and I did yeah you will too
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yeah yes um when you go when you go well that's only that much could get two of them you go oh there you go yeah yeah
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yeah and then and then you're in um so uh yeah uh stuff is happening a plus if
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you've watched it let us know I'm Keen to know what you think um I think I am going to try and start sticking some of
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it on when I'm painting yeah yeah to the other thing I've started watching when I'm painting oh um connected so very
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very very very Loosely to what we do um I've started watching and just
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hearing people talking about doing what they're doing sort of makes me feel a
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little bit more relaxed in painon and makes me go oh you know maybe I will try that shade I've started having on and
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not necessarily looking at that much mainly because I like the grand reveals at the end of it is I've um really
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started to get into Sky Arts uh post race artist of the year o I've never
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heard of this yeah they bring in three relatively famous people and and sometimes quite famous people from all
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some of them are like news presenters some of them are journalists some of the food critics but they have like a good
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run of like um people I love Jody coma Steven grahe yes it is a coincidence
58:38
that I've named two Scout straight um Josh Wham loads you know
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loads of different Comedians and things like that and it's just they um they bring in a number of artists um each
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each guest has three artists who paint and then what happens which and I try
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not to look cuz I like them to then go turn your easel round and then the person is confronted with
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three you know and it's always really nice and then um yeah and then they pick
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they get to pick what one they take home but that doesn't necessarily mean that's the winning one cuz what happens then is
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each person has also had to send in a self-portrait yeah to get on the show
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yes and then that self-portrait plus the port they've done a looked at by the actual proper judges oh and then they
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decide who's the best out of the nine who goes forward to the semi-final but
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while you're painting you just there someone going I Tred to a lighter tone because of this backdrop or this that
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the other just go oh you know and next thing you know hearing people talking about painting even though they're not
59:47
painting rhinos and land Raiders strangely sort of just loosens me up a little bit yeah oh that's cool and it's
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worth a look actually that's and also he the nice think about Sky art as long as you got a television that um can receive
1:00:01
you know cable Sky art is outside of the sky package it's free oh wow yeah you
1:00:07
don't have to be Sky you don't have to be a sky subscriber to be able to watch Sky art which I think he a really nice
1:00:12
thing from sky but um yeah so that's one of my um when I'm not painting just listening
1:00:18
to this show yes and going do you know what pass Jeff you wear
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right you're a genius P Jeff so when I'm not in my painting
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phase listening to the painting phase yes I'll do that but I might I might incorporate some war hammer plus now
1:00:37
yeah good on them for pulling the finger out I feel like I forget that people um well I forget I I guess I don't really
1:00:44
think loads about what people are doing whilst they're listening to this be it in a podcast if they're painting if
1:00:50
they're driving feel like I need to like driving a here walking the dog are here
1:00:55
quite a lot oh yeah and back in the background while we're painting is what we always planned it to be and that's
1:01:02
what gets done a bit which is good I you say yeah if if you're watching and you're walking your dog give them a pat
1:01:08
on head for me and a treat because we do like a dog and send me a picture of your dog yeah you want to see the goodest
1:01:14
boys and the goodest girls yes that's it if you are painting you're doing such an incredible job well done yeah um and
1:01:21
then uh what else did we say driving don't crash focus on the road yeah uh
1:01:28
that's probably the best driving advice I can give to someone don't die don't die anyone listening just don't kill you
1:01:35
yeah no um there we go um oh what did I cuz I mean I um pretty much exclud to do
1:01:42
all my painting in here I don't I don't I don't paint at home I might have TV on in the background as and aside about
1:01:48
Telly that I've been watching um Gladiators have started again I love Gladiators I do you know I I literally
1:01:56
when Gladiators comes on lose 43 years I literally just turn into a 10-year-old I
1:02:03
I I swear to God it's the most that sends me back to any childlike State and
1:02:08
I wasn't even 10 when Gladiators came out I was older than that yeah but I literally go back to being the child I
1:02:14
am the only person in the house who interacts with I make everyone sit down and then I'm like go on go on and then I
1:02:21
look around and everybody else is like that cuz my my my sister um started
1:02:28
watching the previous series series and um she was like oh my God Gladiators if you watched it it's it's amazing and I
1:02:34
was said no I haven't and I like watched like one episode for a bit of nostalgia
1:02:40
and and I'm just I'm all in um I'm sort of like like you say like my my uh my
1:02:46
girlfriend is is not as sort of shouting at the TV as I am and I I'm generally quite sort of quiet and and and don't
1:02:53
don't really say a great deal but Gladiators comes on you just like I want I want pizza and cheap Fizzy Pop
1:03:02
that's why I watch this I'm 10 yes and it's all like it's so cheesy and like
1:03:08
the guy that plays Legends like really has it down and you just you love to hate him like he's such an incredible
1:03:14
the um the um celebrity Christmas special was brilliant yes yeah I watched that last night really because they they
1:03:21
were having so much when he when Legend went and got the brush Rob Beck teeth I
1:03:27
was they yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and what he's like oh I think you've been putting your fake tan on with this and
1:03:34
he breaks character because he turns around and laughs at him um and and it's like they just included it and because
1:03:40
they're comedians they having such a a laugh with it it was really fun um and it's it's interesting cuz like all the
1:03:47
all the films and Gladiators I.E in the Coliseum you're just like oh how barbaric I would I wouldn't watch any of
1:03:54
this and I'm not into football and sitting in stadiums and stuff but as soon as it's like I don't know people
1:04:00
having a little bit of a scrap I don't like fighting like generally but Gladiators I'm just like
1:04:06
yes um do you know I was probably the most jealous of been of anybody was um Haley my other half came home and said
1:04:13
oh so and so went see the other week they had tickets I was like what why didn't we have tickets how did why did
1:04:19
she not tell you why don't we know about this I would have well sat there and painted my own piece of cardboard yes
1:04:26
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah what would your sign say I saw one that said
1:04:33
legend that was pretty good I don't know I am really fascinated by the guy with the with the bandana the Asian chap oh
1:04:41
yeah yeah yeah really he's the new wolf isn't he yes yeah he's the new wolf but like Legend is
1:04:47
better well the thing is is that you know and you know you go oh they're all playing a role and they've been told to
1:04:52
be this and they've been told to be that and you know some are meant to be friendly and it's be quite stoic and you go I just can't help but think that the
1:04:59
guy who is Legend is a bit like that in real life yes because he has he's like um quite a successful businessman I
1:05:06
believe he has a big YouTube channel and and like he's he's he's like a toned down version of that but um you know
1:05:13
what he seems like genuinely quite a cool DED I've never failed to be stunned by their stats when they go 6'6 on an
1:05:21
arm reach of this much go they are absolutely enormous yeah and it just make you realize how
1:05:28
utterly unlikely it is of knocking a um
1:05:34
knocking a gladiator off the pugil sticks you think your chances of doing that yeah you you you're poking a a tree
1:05:41
trunk AR you yeah and and the thing is is and and then they've got the balance perfect of they because is that if you
1:05:49
bring a guy on to be a contestant and he is like a six or five monster like they
1:05:55
are yes he's not getting up the travel later at the end no you know and there
1:06:00
is people going to go well I'm an enormous bodybuilder and I do you know I do a 10-c you know I do a 10c 100 meters
1:06:06
good on you but you aren't the norm most guys who are the same sort of Stack size as them yeah don't and you know even
1:06:13
when you watch this other than the wall when they wall climb which again they have a big head start cuz they are
1:06:19
nearly a foot taller than everybody else they're chasing it's quite funny when you see the wall and and they do the
1:06:25
first whistle and they do the second one and they just kind of walk up to them and they're pretty much just like there
1:06:30
get touching their already but you think but you think they don't do anything
1:06:35
massively um exercise wise cuz when you look at the one where they they run around they got to put the ball in it
1:06:41
yes there's a lot of them yes so they're not running too far no so I think the it's always stacked in their favor isn't
1:06:47
it is because if you brought a monster on of a contestant he wouldn't do great at the end no no that's it and like I
1:06:55
think the one that shows like the most physicality is like when they're swinging around on the Rings yeah um but
1:07:01
again that's just core strength and and all the arms and everything and I think I only saw it once in the first season
1:07:08
I've never seen anyone do well on the Rings no and cuz there was two um it was the two ladies that were they were doing
1:07:14
it and they were both struggling bless him because it's just like so much upper body strength yeah um my favor favorite
1:07:20
ever one of toui Gladiators which I thought was really cool was um many many
1:07:25
when it was the original one they had again I'm so so utterly biased they had a girl from Liverpool on called Eunice
1:07:33
yeah right and she was amazing really really amazing and she became a gladiator oh wow and then she went from
1:07:40
being a gladiator to becom a Hollywood stunt woman and was did a lot of the
1:07:46
stunts for um Angelina Jolie and the original Tomb Raider and they're Mega close as friends now what do you think
1:07:53
oh that's really awesome um but yes I've been thoroughly enjoying Gladiators like
1:07:59
the the celebrity special and then the first episode and I'm just like when's the next one I want to yell at my
1:08:06
Telly and you know I don't I don't yell at my Telly much but mainly if it's question time but um yeah I don't yeah
1:08:13
let me tell you a lot so it's quite nice to like I say because I don't but Gladiators just brings it out in me and i' like I say I make I do make the
1:08:19
family get together and they just just suffer it yeah yeah like i' like the
1:08:25
cheesy competitiveness I like how generally um all the the the female
1:08:33
competitors and Gladiators are just like so supportive of each other they'll be beating the crap out of each other and
1:08:39
just be like yeah she did really well like I'm built like a tree uh and she's tiny but she stayed on this thing uh
1:08:46
well done girl and and and all that sort of thing and and just yeah just take the piss out of each other or like if they
1:08:52
do it's all in good fun obviously and very Chey just seems like it's having
1:08:58
fun um what else did I watch sorry TV TV aside uh I watched the second season of
1:09:06
um s Rogue Heroes oh yes I've done I'm done and dusted with it now I'm all
1:09:11
finished did you like it I did caveat like I wanted I just miss
1:09:18
Connor swindell's yeah cuz he's just so good yeah and I know that that's what happened in history he got captured and
1:09:25
he ends up um in as a prisoner of war yeah but it off the Cs yes and like um
1:09:32
that sort of he's so Suave and has so much like Charisma and that that first
1:09:38
season was just so fun like he's you know they getting on the Jeeps and it's just like come on and just so funny and
1:09:47
then in this one like like Paddy M's character is like he's angry and he recites poetry and everyone's got PTSD
1:09:54
and and and it's that's what happened I guess and
1:09:59
it's um I feel I felt like it really picked up in the second half yeah I got much better even my wife we were
1:10:05
watching it and um um it was bit a thing of this a thing of uh the second world
1:10:11
war is that generally Soldier British army soldiers didn't wear camouflage yeah and then they introduced a special
1:10:16
um a special paratrooper smok which they called the Dennison smok and they introduced that and in there were scenes
1:10:22
of um there were scenes of Paddy M SL Jack o' Connell in his sunglasses with
1:10:27
quite a cool haircut and Dennis and smok worn as high as it could be in a Jeep and my wife was going how cool does he
1:10:34
yeah yeah to be fair I was like those those sunglasses are are amazing yeah and all just like second world war and
1:10:41
it just my wife was going he looks really cool and I was like that I said Dennis and smoks do that they
1:10:49
just but yeah I I I enjoyed it more second half than I did first half and
1:10:55
and blatantly looks like we're getting a third series doesn't it by the way it ended yes I'd be very surprised definitely yeah yeah yeah yeah um but
1:11:02
yeah I I didn't know much much about uh like the campaign in Sicily or anything like that so that was quite cool I know
1:11:07
like my dad uh he's written like novels like towards the end of his life uh after he retired started writing novels
1:11:14
he's written he wrote 10 wow I think umic well 10 just in one series wow um
1:11:21
about c um and fighting in the Mediterranean he's almost on he's he's
1:11:26
almost on a Horus heresy level yeah yeah not quite 60 um but um yeah so so he was well into
1:11:34
that so I I any anything I learned sort of um uh about that sort of area and all
1:11:40
that like I haven't read his his uh for my sins I haven't read his books yet but at some stage I know I will but um but
1:11:47
it's quite fun learning about it and like I guess like it's in like they didn't glamorize like the first scas
1:11:54
series was was sort of like we're going to do all this training I got to throw out this van and we and um but they uh
1:12:01
yeah they really don't sort of like the part when they're in the boats going to the shore and and having to go past
1:12:07
people in the water and stuff and you're just like well my my wife often as she
1:12:13
the the history teacher and her she's a constant researcher of when she watches stuff and she was saying that you know
1:12:19
the try not to give it away there is for those who haven't watched it yet there is somebody who ends up walking a big
1:12:26
distance yes my wife said I researched she researched that and she went that
1:12:32
could be a TV series in its own right how much trouble and stuff happened to him on that journey and the TV show only
1:12:39
just touches on it like a tiny tiny bit that was more weird than the TV show
1:12:45
yeah cuz it was quite a big side plot so I was like I assume this happened in real life um so yeah no they did a did a
1:12:50
good job I I enjoyed it I I missed I just missed Connor swindells as as as and the worst thing is is you you know
1:12:57
you know you're not going to get him in season three other than him being now being angry and C as opposed to being
1:13:03
angry in Italy yes you know yeah because he sort of pretty much spent the rest of the war in as a prisoner a war he did
1:13:09
yes and I know like pad M has the statues and stuff doesn't he and well paty M um I think aren't they they were
1:13:15
trying to get another statue because he was like he's the highest decorated man not to win a Victoria Cross oh wow cuz
1:13:22
they actually got to the point where I think they were almost getting balls are giving him medal
1:13:28
and sadly died young as well yeah yeah I didn't know that after World War II the SAS was disbanded and then it like
1:13:34
remade agains they were they were disbanded and then they were rebuilt again as a
1:13:42
territorial unit that would be used as and when they needed and then they started to go oh and gone a minute um oh
1:13:48
no they were brought back sooner than the' 70s cuz I think they used them uh potentially used them in places
1:13:54
like Borneo and things like that in the ' 50s um yeah but they um yeah they they
1:14:01
they were they were disbanded for a while they went over to be in this group um that were called the artists which
1:14:07
was a really weird thing which was had been another regiment during the second world war who
1:14:14
had been made up of poets and artists and things like that and they were sort of taken into in with them and then they
1:14:20
thought ask quite bizarre I know they're like I'm I'm also an artist with a gun with a gun
1:14:25
yeah watch me do this canvas with a machine gun yeah but um yeah they um
1:14:31
yeah so they had a bit of a strange post second world war it all got a bit weird and a bit all over the place for them for a while and then eventually it sort
1:14:38
of settled into 21 22 and 23 as it is today 20 strangely 21 and 23 are still
1:14:46
reservists are they really right cuz 21 you could go and join
1:14:51
them yeah know literally you could you could go and join the you can go and join the SAS from the street if you go
1:14:57
in as a reservist but you're going to have to be incredibly fit and do a bunch of stuff yeah that's like you
1:15:04
um I did I did my first gym session back on uh since in the new year on um Friday
1:15:13
and my legs are St and bits everything like waist to knee like I had toak I had
1:15:19
to I had to brace myself against a wall and a sink to sit down on the toilet
1:15:25
I was so broken that's like me now and I don't even go to the gym but yeah you can join them from the
1:15:32
street yeah and if you do well enough in the if your scores and I remember this correctly you
1:15:40
know my memory of is a bit sketchy now but I think if your your scores and timings are high enough yeah you can go
1:15:48
into regular SAS which is how one of the guys who ended up split
1:15:54
away on his own in two Bravo 20 Chris Ryan Chris Ryan had never served in the
1:16:00
regular army if I remember rightly he'd come a reserv he come as a reservist but had done well enough that they took him
1:16:07
wow if I remember correctly there we go and that what 19 late 80 the 80s yeah
1:16:13
was that the first one of the gulf Wars Gulf War was 91 so he' been in a while by then so yeah so there you go Pat
1:16:20
there's still hope for you yet yes you'll be able to get your sunglasses in the Dennis and smok yeah no I I'll I'll
1:16:26
stick to dreaming about how cool I could be and actually just be weak and feeble um I think you can keep you be you can
1:16:32
keep your beard in the Army now as well there you go okay yeah yeah yeah I did I did think about joining the Army when I was a teenager but um my mom was like
1:16:40
you a [ __ ] not uh and then that's quite funny cuz my friend like
1:16:47
bye and I was only thinking about it it's okay we signed for you off you go yeah see you later um yeah that's it so
1:16:55
um yeah here I am being a the the stereotypical struggling artist instead
1:17:01
well again artist he still definitely ready for the SAS you go you see yes um no I'd be so [ __ ] they'd be like what's
1:17:07
your special skill i' be like doing as I'm told hang on hang on what's my your
1:17:14
special skill I'm a very I'm a very good videographer and I can climb oh yeah you're already you're already they've
1:17:20
already got you scaled up the side of open Mountain can you imagine like no they're like right oh we're going to
1:17:25
we're going to put uh we're going to survey all these people I'll be like what cameras have we got what lenses I
1:17:33
tell you it' look way more cinematic if you put the camera down here they like get the [ __ ]
1:17:42
out no I I have no Illusions about um how how rubbish I would be I um I just
1:17:49
uh try and be a slightly improved version of myself occasionally uh not
1:17:55
even all yeah that's it um but yes um yeah
1:18:01
Telly yeah we had a little TV break I I'll make sure when I'm editing I I put in the TV break no warham I talked about
1:18:07
yeah um it's had three seasons it's an i player I'm sure you would have watched
1:18:12
it uh The Outlaws yes love the Outlaws I I've just started watching season one I'm two episodes in I love it so much
1:18:19
and you know what I'll say is about the Outlaws it doesn't um it doesn't have any dipping
1:18:25
Sensational I think it's I think it's as strong from beginning to end like
1:18:30
incredible cast like how on Earth did they get Christopher W yeah and and stepen Merchant is hilarious I would say
1:18:37
uh you do end up with less Christopher Wen yes but um yeah you still but even
1:18:44
though it's still very strong yeah yeah and like the the sort of like right-wing
1:18:49
sort of business owner guy um I can't remember his character name or the actor's name but he used to be smack the
1:18:55
pony and and he's brilliant in everything he's he's always really good at playing people you don't like yes and
1:19:02
and I still like I don't like like jobsworth and this is yeah yeah like like you don't necessarily like him but
1:19:09
you still feel for him yeah especially when you see you know that the competitiveness that he's had bred into him you sort of go yeah so like
1:19:17
immediately like the writing of him and and the acting is topnotch and yeah I
1:19:22
think it's fantastic yeah yeah he's a good old writer as merchant yeah oh did Merchant write it all I think so I think
1:19:29
he's involved in the writing let me now Look cuz now I won't want to look like I've said stupid but let just think but
1:19:34
I I uh thoroughly enjoyed it so if uh we can do this one there we go if you're in the UK uh it's on I player or you've got
1:19:41
one of them things sh shark thing yeah or this episode sponsor no we're not sponsored by vpn's
1:19:49
uh at the moment um but there we go so uh thoroughly thoroughly reckon men that
1:19:55
oh it's going let me just have a look I now just now need to now see who wrote it yeah I wonder if I can use an
1:20:02
interactive uh search that isn't oh we had 14 writers oh right Jesus although
1:20:09
um stepen merant was one of them but uh yeah yeah there we go so um
1:20:17
excellent so that's good and even the woman the woman out of um baby reindeer is greting it oh she's exceptional
1:20:24
comedy work Jessica guner name is she even wrote an episode as well co-created and co-written by Steven Merchant
1:20:32
and yeah so those two get a name check but then I imagine later on people wrote more episodes cool yeah yeah baby yeah
1:20:39
she's wonderful she's so funny yeah she's like oh you're a clever clever donut like isn't it clever cookie still
1:20:46
works must go back a moment um I don't know if you've seen the adverts for it
1:20:51
um or trailers for it there's um they're doing a movie about about um William Tell all right no I haven't um and that
1:20:59
whole um the musician about um the whole Swiss uh
1:21:05
Revolution and regards with Austria and all of that all the um not Austria would have been Germany but all of that sort
1:21:12
of time period and um Connor swindell's plays a b guy in it oh and there was a
1:21:18
photograph I was watching looking a shot of it the other day of um the premier for it and um I was oh there's Conor
1:21:25
swindell's and then I went oh and there's there's my friend's adult son
1:21:31
stood behind him because my my my mate Matt is um his boys a villain in it as well oh fantastic oh that's fun yeah it
1:21:37
was quite cool so thought oh oh I'm gone yeah I forgot he was in it oh yeah cool very good excellent uh so right what is
1:21:45
I need to get on to him as well cuz go if anytime and anyone a plot for a
1:21:50
script from Amazon lands on something called Warhammer can you take the job so
1:21:56
we can have you on the show yeah oh I bet I bet in the contracts it's like you don't appear on
1:22:02
YouTube anywhere um or it will it will be like through agents and stuff like it but if it's someone that's like you know
1:22:09
slightly further down the billing that's not included in the Press tour then we could be like Indie press tour
1:22:17
yeah you never know um yeah fantastic uh I uh what did
1:22:23
I say um I've a while ago I think I was saying oh I really want to do wrath and Glory which is like the role playing
1:22:29
system for Warhammer um I actually listened to an episode uh if anyone
1:22:35
listens to like D and D podcasts and stuff Dungeons and daddies which is um
1:22:40
Freddy Wong's sort of like group uh he used to make YouTube videos like 10 10 15 years ago something like that about
1:22:46
computer games and this that and the other they have a D&D podcast and it's hilarious um called Dungeons and daddies
1:22:52
where they're all dads and and this one episode dedicated to 40K yes so they call it Dad Hammer um which which is
1:23:00
hilarious I think I think there's three episodes in total but two are behind like a patreon pay wall so I haven't listened to those yet um but it's so fun
1:23:07
um like I won't spoil it if anyone wants to listen to it but it's certainly like I I started listening to um the audio
1:23:15
books because I wanted to sort of specifically because I wanted to do wrath and glory and I was like right I want to get yeah the feel of the world
1:23:21
down and and all that sort of stuff um and hearing a group of of funny people
1:23:27
go into the um 40K universe and all that sort of stuff like he made up his own
1:23:32
planet um and it's not spoilers to say because they say it right in the intro but it was like all they do is they pick
1:23:38
these berries um which are the exact color for uh Some Space Marine cloaks
1:23:45
for a specific chapter and that's that's their in what there's that many plants with humans on in the Warhammer Universe
1:23:51
I wouldn't be surprised it was a planet yeah that's it and then the only food they have is these berries as well but
1:23:57
they give them enough sustenance but also make them throw up and feel sick all the time um and I'm like that's
1:24:03
really 40K that's hilarious um so servitude and servitude through you know
1:24:09
suffering yes 4 yeah yeah yeah um yeah there's a chap in the Discord Dr ether
1:24:16
who writes for cubicle 7 so he's written a bunch of the books and he was telling me some stuff that he's done it's
1:24:21
absolutely insane um but yeah I'd love to have like I'd love to try like a
1:24:27
little one shot um with with you and Ross and maybe we get get someone else
1:24:32
in as well but just the stories you could tell would be so fun um like using
1:24:38
the system yeah cuz it could like I think you have to get there's tiers of
1:24:43
characters yeah um so being in in the Imperial Guard is like tier one yeah a
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Space Marine scout is tier two and then you get up to Space Marines inquisitors
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and all that sort of stuff he's have playing it for about 15 years before you allowed to get that far something like that or you you you could just start off
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as that but I think you need to make sure that people are generally in the same sort of tier but it would be quite fun if somebody was a Space Marine and
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then somebody was Imperial Guard yeah but then it was like Space Marine youd be like oh I took all of his damage off
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but one and then just a little a little kid was just like bang oh cool I killed Horus
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um um that that could be really fun but I think like yeah having a laugh with it
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um but yeah getting a setting I like I like I've just been thinking nonstop I'm like right could you all be in the
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Imperial Guard uh could you all just be like Factory workers and something breaks or whatever like is the
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possibilities are endless I be up for that yeah I I'm so unbelievably Keen I think the thing that sort of like put me
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off it a little bit was I was like oh God like maybe we need Miniatures and we need scenery and to do the batt and
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things like that but if it works in an audio only form um then then we could kind of forgo that and just make sure we
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have the character sheets and all sort of stuff um yeah but imagine imagine how B it be for us to lay our hands on
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figures and scenery no we do have some it be the time to to paint so um or maybe uh yeah
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that's it if it is a few Imperial Guard or something like that but um so yeah if uh I I definitely I think I need to make
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something in the Discord um and and ban you and Ross from it and talk talk some ideas with people uh which would be
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really really fun um yes perfect so I
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think we've run our course yes I think so we're getting there aren't we I'm not sure how long we've been going for now I can't see the timer from here no I can't
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I'm not used to sitting on this side of the desk it's uh I'm like are all the cameras still in Focus yeah yeah awesome
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