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Why Doesn't Games Workshop Credit Creatives?
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Jan 16, 2023
This week we talk about why we think Games Workshop doesn't credit it's artists, writers, and painters. Join our Patreon: https://patreon.com/thepaintingphase Help Support the channel with our affiliate links: UK: https://elementgames.co.uk/?d=10835 EUROPE: https://taschengelddieb.de/?affiliate=tpp US: use code paintingphase to get 10% off at https://www.goblinshut.com/ We Print Miniatures: https://weprintminiatures.com/thepaintingphase THEPAINTINGPHASE for 10% off Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/thepaintingphase/ https://www.instagram.com/__peachy_tips__/ https://www.instagram.com/geoffsavory/ https://www.instagram.com/pileofshamepaints/ Where we get our music: https://artlist.io/Patrick-75781
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good we've got a present s and everything is incredible who who
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is this from I'll let you pull the bow are you gonna ask me to put my hand in a
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box now why is the Box gonna hold it right here now this this presence has been kindly
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thought that the uh what is May well be become called Pat's nuke when we can see
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Pat only sit in this little nuke over there sometimes they're knife over there Pat anywhere
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um oh there was somewhere yeah imagine if all the amongst all this Hobby and stuff we might have a scalpel oh no the
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sketch the scalpel's in the other room I was you know go on I was building uh I was building me custards in the other
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room because you're having fun building your custards I am having fun apart from uh the full draw bits but uh Blessing
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about them the better be moans about them off air um yeah Andy thought that uh the little
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nuke when we have the three struggle I was really good I'm just gonna wait
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because this is far more entertainment anyway he thought it looked a little bit like it could do with a bit of a I mean
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bit of color I mean yeah this this corner I strategically cropped out the mess yes there's there's a monitor here
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that that is blank and my computers are there and we've got some artwork behind
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Andy that is awesome I think it's very kind yeah that's incredible so I'm gonna
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have some artwork behind me now one of which uh Aussie one of our patrons uh he's a very stort Eldar fan
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yeah it's definitely a four dwell piece now I would say that yes
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that's lovely thank you very much Arista Gibson here thank you so much like a bit of Art in their uh man cave or as well
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hey Studio yeah
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colloquially known as the stuffist oh I like a studio office that's a good
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uh yeah it's a good play on work so should we talk about why I've got um
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with googly eyes I think we should um we should delve deep into that on my hands I feel like that was a strong opener we
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can't ignore it no no no because we have been known to start the show with an idea and then not happen well I mean
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like last last week last week's trash show we just said we're talking about necaunder for an hour which was great
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fun um let's hope everybody else thinks so um somebody else said that they equally
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hated uh my phonetic alphabetes in question yeah yeah she is yes so uh
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so yeah why why well I got googly eyes on me I don't know Pat why have you got googly eyes on your hands oh oh yeah
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go on there Billy big bollocks mate have you got your eyes you started you can finish it because
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I'm an idiot imagine if that was your answer and then we'll end the podcast for the
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second time in 10 minutes um no so uh Warhammer YouTube painting
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videos have gone only hands only have those um at least that we're aware of so far
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yes it looks like at the time of recording this that there might be some old videos that they're kind of um
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filtering out I wouldn't say I'm privy to those details but I knew we were working on some of those before I parted
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yes so yeah it just feels like they're moving yeah back a bit but yeah yeah so imagine the crime it would be to not
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somebody else to see you I don't think it's Chrome because I've got a face for radio and I look like a murderer so uh I think it'll probably be
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safer general public sorry I mean this is why we do podcasts
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now uh like Spotify so you'd have to look at my mug yeah
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well so I think there's like a larger sort of topic of discussion around this
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with uh Games Workshop sort of removing the artist from the Arts the art yeah
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and quite quite literally uh there was that hellbrex uh picture that he's like
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hey this is what the new uh hell break model was based on and they photoshopped the artist's signature out
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yeah to the point where they they took the little cleaning sword guy on the base
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um he's photoshopped in everywhere like cleaning out he was screwing out the signature and um genius
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um but I feel like this has been something gw's been doing for a while oh yeah yeah um and then now with the painting videos
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um so it is just hands yeah um so I I guess testing I want to know
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your well eventually would just be cans by GW if it's like the GW team for this and the GW team for that there's just be
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GW hands they won't belong to anyone if you think what they'll do is um paint their nails and it'll be like
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help me and they'll make everyone wear gloves
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then I was going to say a woman long before we're all gloss you know to see people's chewed up fingers like mine yeah I just thought to be like
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completely inclusive and so you wouldn't know who had painted it everybody will just have their fingernails painted the
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men and the women yeah yeah oh oh we're like green gloves so you could uh green
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screen your own hands onto the model uh I was so apologies that's all right I
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was I was watching a um a Richard Gray video uh recently yeah as I quite often
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do when I want to feel really bad about myself um when you're at that point we're thinking do I want to throw paint
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brushes out and and it looked like he had painted nails and I was like hey Richard Gray paints his nails like
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that's aggressive like you know inclusivity Progressive dude maybe it's not even that Progressive he pays his
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nails who cares and then like a few minutes hours primer
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I always do that I mean as we saw with the low tantanka I just hold the handle without no gloves on and there's a
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comments about that that was more of a push back to the old Health yeah and so I said you would you've got to
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end up with hands like you're The Simpsons yeah but I thought we'd have to chop on your fingers off for that oh yeah yeah so
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going endless uh not crediting people against Workshop has been a yeah a thing for a long time
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um where I think I heard you know a bit of hearsay about where that came about
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uh with protecting their staff from like online hate yeah uh which I can
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understand well you protect them already because they they basically they they turn the comments off I know that wasn't
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completely cure it but I mean go some way it for me right you should have a choice yeah to be credited or not to be
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credited right um and you should have a choice whether to be a face or not a face because some people don't want their face on there we
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know there's a few YouTube presenters out there that don't like to share their face because it makes them anxious they
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have low self-esteem or whatever reasons they don't want to share their face yeah and that's fine and it it worked like uh
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Peter wargamer yeah he doesn't show his face no not all of them I like I've seen him in like a Warhammer like the heresy
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promo stuff yeah you know it's nice and other things you know like when you you're so used to hearing someone and
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then you put the sound of them to a face and you're like oh my God yeah I don't know what I expected Pete's voice sounds
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about 20 years older than Pete look that's it yes I was like he's so young I mean because I was there early days of
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uh not the early days of the studio it's been around a long time but for me you know it was still quite a big thing it
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was what people refer to as the Ivory Tower was never really the Ivory Towers it was it was a great place to work but that was the time when you know we were
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credited everyone got credited whether you're a graphic designer an editor yeah everybody that contributed to a book got
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their name in the book yeah um which I think if I was to to look back I mean
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there's two that there's argument's Fallen against and I know there'll be a lot of comments in the yeah and comments
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yeah about what people think about this it's good to promote a bit of discussion yeah absolutely and I and I see the
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benefits of not crediting but I also see them huge flaws and negatives of not
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credited so if you're a graphic designer and you want to go off and do graphic design elsewhere how can you prove what
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you've done absolutely if you're not credited yeah if you're an editor and you want to go and get a job in media
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yeah how do you prove what you like that I I have no proof short of like getting
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a reference yes I guess the reference is anything you're gonna get but yeah I you could be lied and saying that's my work
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yeah yeah like this like this Channel's built on a line I never worked at Games Workshop
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I don't remember seeing you there actually it's weird pop and I'm just out at the beginning I am good enough to confess at some point in time that I
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don't actually cut Ronaldo's hair but but yeah for years yeah I think it
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really uh if I can pinpoint a time when it really sort of like became an issue was we've talked about before that the
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mat the mat Ward situation yeah um and I think some of that is down to
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him just getting the name on the frontist page and him being named solely responsible for that book when it was a
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whole team of people and yes scheduling and play testing yeah so you can't just
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put it all in one guy and I know there's some point in the comment go you can't take me seriously peachy because I like Matt Ward well somebody did say that
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yeah well I mean you could listen to the internet because we know it's full of lies and rumor or you could bear in mind
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that I work with a guy and I know he's a nice guy so uh wind your neck in and don't comment again because you're
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obviously useless at making opinions for yourself oh it's true there we go well I
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mean I work with Matt Ward he's the loveliest man I've ever worked with yeah pleasure to work yeah yeah I think he got more stick than he deserved some
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yeah everyone makes mistakes people are human right the human I make mistakes all the time I do paint guides and then
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people make comments go you just made bronze why don't you just say bronze like you're right why why did I say like
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gold yeah yeah it is bronze you're absolutely right it was just one of those those colors I mix because I like
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the color of it because like liberated gold but you're right it is just problem yeah so there's stuff like that where you you make like choices and you don't
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think about the grand scheme of the world and colors and yeah and someone like called you out and you're just like yeah you're right yeah but I've got the
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humility and the lack of care to go I'm alone my life but yep yep you're
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right absolutely um so I think it kind of started there because he got a lot of hate and quite a
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long story short he ended up leaving the business um I don't think through his own choice
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um because people did research on him saying this guy keeps getting lots of negativity on the internet why why do we
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employ him um so that's I think one of the main reasons that people were credited was
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because it detrimentally affected his career and his career after so if he was
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trying to get a job for other Publishers yeah um a lot of people just do quick internet searches when you've got someone and all this is the top things
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are negative yeah so it's gonna really scuff your chances so there's that side of it which is
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you you get a lot of hate for making a decision yeah which might not necessarily all be your decision so say
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like the votan Codex for example was I mean that you were so overpowered that
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GW did their first ever apology video yeah yeah saying we're really sorry we've got Iran that's a week James I'm
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about a hibernation yes yeah even then right if on the front page it went
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leagues of otan written by The Citadel writing team and had all the names of the writers yeah contributed yeah you're
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not going to just go these guys are idiots it's not they're not I know no one has this a lot of spilling plates so
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I remember they said that they tested it against newer codexes at the time that
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had then since been nerfed yeah it was a powerful codex against
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overpowered codexes yeah um so essentially that to like Nerf it twice I
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guess to bring it in line yeah um which isn't sort of like the knee-jerk reaction I guess would be
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like if there were names there they'd be like look it's Dave's fault yeah heresy Dave
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um of course sorry the flips idea is you know they they have all these schedules
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to keep they're probably not given enough time it's not play testing yeah yeah enough yeah um and all of these
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decisions because of the printing is like the the Codex was sent to print what like three months yeah or more
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before release like I remember um on the dam uh so the first ever
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battle report that we filmed was Pat versus Suggs like all Orcs And blood angels yeah
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and the new all codecs hadn't been released yet um but I could just log into like you
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know this GW software called the dam and I was like oh the New York old codex and just printed it out and it's like yeah
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fine whatever and I was like Christ I could like take this home and people would go absolutely nuts yeah
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um but it's um I mean if we go to like um like the photon situation again uh a
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few people said that the battle report I was involved in with Simon I really thoroughly enjoyed it yes we played a
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couple of games before and very much like how white dwarf used to do their uh white dwarfs their player Hue again the pick which was the best okay to do is
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about report or amalgamate a few because it's you don't want to just show off oh look we've got this new Army it's just
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trance this Army no that that mean yeah you've got to make a story but sometimes it's like taking elements of that game which was fun this game that was fun or
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just do three games and pick which one was the most engaging even if the the New Codex lost yeah
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um and me inside did a couple of Test games the first game he got the first turn trance me second game I got the first turn Trout's Tim third year was
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like oh this is interesting let's have a look at like what's why that happened and then you know talk through some
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tactics and thoughts so to make it engage I mean I wasn't expecting to to win that but yeah well and people were
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saying no you only lost because you had the rubbish the worst codex possible yeah because this was the newest codex versus the old yeah and you beat him in
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an unknown head yeah yeah yeah yeah because I literally wiped out all his outriders in the first term with like
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five superiority and then other stuff got killed but it got to the point where I was like he's going to struggle to win this game now yeah
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um and that was all down to the donut shop so um folks saying that it's you know you're only one because you use the
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worst codex I was like wow yeah yeah I wouldn't say I'm a great General but sometimes odds do go in your favor yeah
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and a few choices of tactics not that I have correct tactics but but yeah so um
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sometimes with like code x's and army books it's the first impressions people get yeah yeah um so like the very first
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impression was the game on warmer plus which was new photo versus old codex so
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and then of course you know we find out that it's been nerfed right yeah I just I realized I forgot to put light on
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because the way you were looking nervously around like what's I thought it was cold
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so you get your heat now just from that one lamp told you to say turn the radiators off only come around here to
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do these for the to warm up but but yeah I do remember the the day when no one was being credited and there wasn't that
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much sort of like people kicked up a fuss but it was a bit like oh I used to like getting credited and yes oh I can't
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shave my mum now what I've worked on yeah yeah I remember asking in a meeting uh uh when we were doing the pilots for
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the bat reps and I was like do I do I need to put credits on the end like no one said anything as long as I know we
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don't credit anyone I was like well that's terrible and that's especially with moving into like the Warhammer plus
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side of things if they're wanting to attract like good names in like big names in
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animation and stuff like that like you'd want to you'd be like look this
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person made this yeah and I know they've done some interviews with people on like um oh what was the Deep strike uh yeah when
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they were like yeah you did this wasn't that Balter really cool yes that was my favorite bit when the gun went off yeah
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um I'll get sidetracked because I hate deep strike um I worked on that man I liked it
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the two I ever did that's because I would as you know if I'm doing the show I always drank mine
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before them yeah so I actually did have tea of mine yeah and they're the only one
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they did a bit of that didn't they but um yeah so I mean you mentioned about like
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to keep the staff safe um I strongly disagree with that I've
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heard it being said a few times like we we want to keep our staff safe I had more threats to me when I worked on the
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wines and spirits counter at quicksave than I ever have working for Games Workshop I've got to be honest I thought you're going to say since you got here
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I've got more threats to my life working with this guy so yeah I mean I mean in Alice Street
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which is where a quick save was where I used to work um they were alcoholics that would come
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to the wine and spirits counter and if they didn't get their wine their wine or their Spirits they kicked up a fuss yeah
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and I had quite a few people threatened to wait for me outside of work and hurt me I've never had that working for Games
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Workshop yeah um because well that one most of the people aren't alcoholics and murder
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Fields yeah yeah crazy folks but them at the same time we talk about keeping staff safe yeah I know from personal
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experience and others have gone to do seminars painting seminars in the states why do people need to take a gun into a
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seminar a painting seminar just because you've got a right to open carry in that state why do you need a gun for a
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painting similar don't get me I don't particularly feel safe doing a painted seminar with someone open carrying I
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don't understand you're Democratic right I get it it's fine but it's a what what you expected to happen in the painted
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similar that requires a pistol I don't know somebody might really dislike the
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way you paint maybe there's the dry brushing and the finger wiping yeah it really triggers saying but yeah
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lichmann oh God so but yeah I mean you know we talk about people feeling you
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know being made to feel safer I didn't feel safe at lva I was locked in a room that everyone forgot about we have 20
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people I've never met in my life I mean yeah I can look after myself but you know yeah and there was the
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conversations after like yes next year we'll make sure you know we've got representative with it never happened because it costs money to get an extra
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human yeah to the states so I was always on my own yeah and so four four or five
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days in a row tinfall hats tin foil hats okay yep the tin foil hat is firmly on I'm gonna say
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this is you know this is an xgw staff member who no
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longer works there please didn't have the best time of their life working
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there but um uh so take everything I say with a pinch of salt completely my opinion
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um do we think that they're you know they use that safety uh we're protecting our
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staff as a way of just like removing and not crediting people because they don't want to make
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names after Big D Big D the dunks the dunkmeister so
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I do think that Duncan leaving had an effect I think he did on uh perceptions
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of presenters yeah um now I've got two two thoughts about this I I don't know if Duncan's the same
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we said when Duncan joined to be a painter presenter the fact that I was still in the only painted team me and me
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mate Steve were just like why would you do that it doesn't make money I'm worried for your career I mean we've talked about this and I've talked about
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my wife about this because she said you used to really be word for Duncan's career because do three paint guides surely how does
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that make money for the business yeah this is like early days of marketing so it was like really early so we were generally worried for his career
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um and then because I didn't understand YouTube I understand it a lot more these days but
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um and then obviously he didn't join that team to be a celebrity or to be
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famous he knowing that because he wanted to teach people how to paint yeah I missed painting
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um and I know he and we worked well together we had a lot of fun together and all the years have been the Army painters and whatever and when a job
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came up I was at the point of management where I was just we talked in a previous podcasters oh I've had enough of this so
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the opportunity came up like I like teaching people how to paint I'm gonna get the opportunity to be creative again and do some painting yeah
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um my reasons for joining the team was to teach people how to paint yeah so if you're joining the team to help people
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that you join it for the right reasons ego yeah everyone's got here at a certain degree but ego's removed
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so I understand that some people are worried that you're gonna you're only joining because you want to be a
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celebrity it's like well you've got to ask the reasons why you're joining I joined because I wanted to help Duncan join because he wanted help yeah I know
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a fair few people back there their workshop that joined because they want to help so join because they think it's
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you know a fast track to being a famous person yeah um so it's it's that kind of like
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balance of like is it right or wrong to remove the face I I personally think you need that face
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because it's someone to relate to and if my wife if I go back to my wife's analogy let's teach him yeah you relate
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well to some teachers and you do to others yeah and but that teacher you don't relate to others relate to that
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one yeah so having faces and personalities on camera some people relate to some people love Duncan more
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than me but some people are like my guys more than Duncan's because of the way I approached in comparison to the way he
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approached so you you none of us were either right or wrong we just have different teacher methods and that's the
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way I've always seen the guides really doesn't it yeah yeah so some people like go you know I prefer Duncan I don't like
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you I don't take that person because it's like I know you prefer his paint guys yeah they mean something to you you understand them better the way I
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communicate might yeah obviously isn't on your level whereas other people it is on the level so having the face and the
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personality there I think helps with the teaching side of things yeah when it just becomes hands and a voice
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it loses the human element yeah and my thought process was when we were in the
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derby store or any kind of retail store you were the Hub of the community people didn't just come there because your
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Games Workshop they came there because it was a community and yeah you were I guess the head of that painting
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Community or that hobby area for that time yeah if you were just wearing balaclava some full face masks and
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weren't allowed to actually talk to the people at the point yes where to go yeah I think do you think you're gonna get
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many people coming back no absolutely and because the views on the on on the videos aren't they're not
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massive anymore I don't think like you look at all the biggest compared to their subs yeah and and granted not
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everybody subscribes for the painting videos but that's a lot of the content but you look at the most viewed yeah and
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quite often it's like the the cinematic trailers and stuff like that yeah but then it's some of like the older videos
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that Duncan did like years ago yeah you have like hundreds of thousands yeah yes um I mean you granted they're a few
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years old so it's gonna still add a bit more time on it so I uh there's a a thing that I used to notice so when I
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was with dunk we were doing the vids you would like do a variety of different videos but about
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the tip of the days which was like you film it in the morning for like an hour and a half and then Roger or dermit
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would like edit it and then by three o'clock it's published yeah so you're literally doing those tip of the days in the morning and they were quite good fun
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because people would request stuff so yeah I don't know Sam Wilson as tail to
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Payne you know a Power sword in the colors of purple and then you do a video it's it's personal to that person it's
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helpful to other people yeah but it's like engaging with the community and they were good film
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um but we they used to get like 15K in the first couple of hours yeah
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um where it takes weeks to get to that now um yeah at least when I was there except
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when Horus heresy hit they they did quite well yeah they did well the horse Harrison videos yeah so it's definitely
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been um and I think a bit of that was um that sort of Hiatus if you like when
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Walmart plus became the new shiny toy yeah and YouTube videos were ignored yeah off hey so I think people just
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forgot that we were making yeah so I definitely think that's six
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five to six month period of is not making one every three weeks yeah if we
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were lucky um had an effect on on the numbers for sure but that builds up again I mean you you will
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get that bill but yeah um I I watch people for who they are so like I I
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watch I like one six girl collectible figures right I also like Lego I don't
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watch uh Jangbricks on Lego because he talked about Lego I'll watch it because of him and the way he talks yeah there's
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a guy called Justin Collectibles who just opens up and talk he never sees his face she only sees hands because obviously he doesn't want to show his
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face yeah but his personality still shows through there to a certain degree and I guess that's the argument which is you can still have personality with
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hands because Pete the wargamer does it yeah yeah and um or specs attack box is nearly 200 000 subscribers yeah but that
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goes I mean uh this just into collectible is like 167 000 but it still goes back to my point which is that's a
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choice yeah yeah they've made their choices yeah yeah yeah so I think my personal opinion on it is again 10-4
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Hat's still on um could be completely wrong you know I'm just an angry nerd
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um like they're not crediting stuff is a is a wider Games Workshop issue oh yeah I think it's not in there in the
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marketing yeah so in the marketing um oh sculptors on Instagram are like I'm proud to have worked on this sin in the
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proximity of someone who sniffed this resin my dog knows their second cousin
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um it's really funny there's even Darren latham's doing that yeah I'm probably part of the team that works yeah I I
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made it it was a one someone said in the comments they were like oh no like you know they can they can credit themselves
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if they want to and it's like they can't no they can't no they're might hold off they can't I don't know but just as much
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as the eyebrow I was proud to be on the uh part of the team of the one-man team yeah made this model yeah yeah yeah
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could do that because I think I think he he did the um oh who see every metal
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painter Max and then I always butcher his surname yeah
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um he seems to have a bit of clout and and I think he painted that The Inquisitor that we're giving away yeah
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yeah I saw a post of him that uh that he was sort of like yeah I painted this and
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uh Darrell lathan's sculpted it were a great team and I was like oh wow cool um but you always get like the half
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truths like yeah I was proud to you know sculpt one rivet on this
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um anyway sorry apologies sidetracked name of the show um
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uh so that aside I think in in marketing and painting like Duncan got really big
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yeah um and he took that success and he's doing his own thing and arguably had
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more success I feel like again opinion higher-ups in in marketing
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have gone we we made him and he's betrayed us yeah I talked about previously like when I left it was like
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you're out the family you've married a commoner and you're gone yeah um I've watched a lot of Downton yeah I'm
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getting that I've never even seen him and I was getting nothing yeah yeah I've been watching more Happy Valley recently
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that's really good so Sarah Lancaster she's great anyway um so I and then I think there's been the
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knee-jerk reaction like my first day of working at GW I was in a meeting with my
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land manager and he described Duncan's unprompted described Duncan's leaving as contentious and I was like okay clearly
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that's so I mean that this this is the problem and his wife in any creative
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business is you've got to look at the reason why they're left yeah so if I was not because he wanted
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to take all that Fame and golf and make it I mean from like from our point of view right it's been hard work over the last few months I I'm not in this to
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make quick big bugs I mean yeah it's painting Toy Soldiers that's probably not going to happen anything well you're
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on about we want to be millionaires well yeah I mean again if you're in it for that you're in it for the wrong reasons got me I am an island
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your creativity will dry up because you're only in it for the cash United for the yeah the the teaching the
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um the fun all those good things that you want to the wholesome stuff but you gotta you gotta pick at why people move
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on and people I I I don't know if it was the same for my reasons of leaving like in a year's
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time they were like oh yeah it was just ego driven it's full of ego I mean some people probably think that it never was I had so many reasons for leaving and
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going off and being happy and doing stuff I really wanted to do and help people yeah in a way that I felt was
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right that didn't quite align with what the business wanted and the business is fine to make those choices because yesterday because it's their business
30:59
like like yeah like I would have I'd like but I got bored yeah I got bored
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doing the same thing um which wasn't in my opinion particularly helpful yeah or to some degree it did help some entry levels but
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not alone not not all entry levels but yeah but yeah um yeah the the Duncan
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leaving thing I mean I I you know for my sins I was a bit sore about it because we were good mates and yeah it was for
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me it was the way it it happened it was quite a shock and you know when when you've worked with someone for so long
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and then suddenly you're told on the day that your best buddies leaving yeah it's just like oh so I mean
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that was real for me for a long time we saw what under the bridge between me and Rose I mean we discussed that but my my
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opinions would be language very different or not even angry just miffed and annoyed and shocked and upset so
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yeah it sounds like they they surprised a lot of people when they left um but I mean but again you that there
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were so many reasons for them leaving and they did what was right for them and what was right um I guess I mean for me I I like to
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think I did what was right for the business as well because if I stayed I would become miserable and grumpy yeah toxic I would have started again oh yeah
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well they don't want to talk to that person because they know what they're doing and you don't just follow me come here small cabal I'll teach you
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everything you need to yeah so there's the danger of when you keep people in the uh sad or angry I mean I I um
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there's enough of them well absolutely but I mean when I was younger and more enthusiastic enthusiastic but when I was
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younger um and more naive I would probably say
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um that was when I was a manager as well in retail as well as like in the Army painted team at the studio
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um I used to see these people these bitter sort of jaded staff members and I'd be like what's wrong with them why they're
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being so miserable but when you've gone through that journey and you think to yourself oh it
32:52
wasn't one thing it was a thousand Small Things yeah they're all mounted death by a thousands yeah you get to the point
32:59
where you've just had enough you just like life's got to be better than this surely why do I dread coming into work
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or I have no sort of Drive anymore I mean mine would drive mine was I I could
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I could have stayed there and just ticked the boxes all day every day yeah um but I would have lost who I am and I
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think people have noticed it as well as like yeah where I am now and what I do here yeah is very different to other
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person the amount of comments that we get that are like love peachy Unchained yeah yeah yeah it seems so much happier
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oh god I've had a power for every one of them we won't need patreon yeah
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um because because I I'd love doing this like yeah I love um making videos being creative working
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with great people um I think you meant people are great
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[Laughter]
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the other day because uh like I heard a noise and I like looked out the window she's like see your boyfriend I was like
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No just sitting I just feel like it's great
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like that um you know it it's like you
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know this is you could say oh this is how game saw a shop could have been but it it can't be
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that no it never can be um and I'm getting sidetracked but yeah I think from Duncan leaving that left
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enough of a mark on the higher-ups that they've tried to pull back the creative
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because they're like we don't because there's more presenters now yeah oh yeah far more uh way more they've Diversified
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the pool um so nobody is like a big standout star yeah yeah um and then now they're just
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hands yeah um I mean there's a logic to the hands thing which I understand and I fully get
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um which is to make it and this is stuff I was aware of before I left which was to make it that if you do a video where
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it's so scripted that someone that if you want to put into into China or if
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you want to put it into uh Germany or Spain or or wherever it's it can be
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dubbed um so you'd have to worry about the face um so it's it's like a codex an army
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books you can you can make it for any country you need to uh so that there's a strength to that but at the same time it
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loses a lot of its personality and I'm not saying that you're in it for the personality but that's what I think
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makes creatives yeah because people applauded like when the marketing
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department was started um and they were like oh GW
35:36
used to be this big faceless company yeah you know they knew anything here's Duncan and oh he's nice and he's
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teaching me how to paint and two Thin coats oh great and no it's because we're faceless again and then and then they
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were like yeah this is great it's opening up and then now it's they seem to be closing ranks again yeah I think personally for me I think one of the sad
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things from me although yes I know you still have a voice to be able to identify to it but I think by going to
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hands you just you you really restrict who
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potentially who gets interest in Warhammer if you know you've got if you've got plenty of female faces yeah
36:11
it helps push the hobby a little bit yeah there's a 25 year old woman is a
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presenter I'm a 25 year old woman I've seen my boyfriend playing it or I've walked past 100 allows
36:24
Saturday to Sunday I am but um you know I think yeah you reduce and you
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potentially reduce a visible demographic yes and I don't think that helps no you know I think if anything
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where we are currently in society you should be looking at current on a lot of levels go the other way you know is sort
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of go yeah have a wide range of colorful people yeah so I mean it's not seen as
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like the faces of games I watched a documentary on Amazon it's really worth watching because there's so so many
36:54
similarities across the years with workshop and it's it I think it's called Uh the art art of DnD and it basically
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it's like documentary and it goes through talking to a lot of the early artists so like Clyde Caldwell Brom uh
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keep marketing passed away he was not in it but he got like Jeff he's in the other guys and it talks from their point of view and the way they talk about some
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of the things that happened in the business that they worked with like um what was it TSR at the time yeah TSI
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um it was just like it sounds like Workshop in the the 90s and the early 2000s and then they get to the point
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where you know you need to concentrate on diversifying and making it accessible to all so you know you get a lot more
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different artists for different styles yeah different genders in there and whatever and you know you open up to all
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markets and there was pushback against that but you know if it was and like
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Workshop it was very much aimed at it wasn't aimed you never said it was but it very much gravitated towards boys and
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men oh yeah d d did I mean you had like a few girls back in like college drafts
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of DnD back in the day it was all longer glasses wearing hippies yeah yeah yeah sitting around you know
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there might be someone's girlfriend just out of shot yeah the old story was was it Gary gigax's wife was like he's
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having an affair he's going over to this house and could be like going there he must be having an affair and she like
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barged in and it was just him and his mates like writing DND yeah play testing it's probably what my wife thinks about
38:23
this oh sorry darling he's hairier than you
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nothing you can compete with right now you still don't know who we're told
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he's got glasses he's got beard and Luscious Hair
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but I do I think by I think by reducing it to hands I don't think you helped the
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old yeah no but I think I think May maybe you know that's our job now yeah
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um in in a way not that we're like don't worry GW we've got this like I'm not that arrogant but I am
38:59
I mean yeah it's so it's so it's it's like I'm very Warhammer world
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there's elements that I'm offensive one another element so I just don't agree with yeah because I agree so much with
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having a face because it's relatable it's humanizing yeah a thing yeah I mean I don't I mean correct me if I'm wrong I
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don't recall any artist back in the day when I was a kid that just did hands and if they did I've forgotten them but I
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remember Bob Ross and I remember Tony Hall yeah and Neil Buchanan for Art Attack oh I love that I said oh yeah so
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so and even the guy from Smart Rivals forget his name um the guy the Australian guy no no no
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Steve Irwin that other
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artists yeah whatever happened to him he was a
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nonce I was trying to keep it sort of ambiguous and that just shut it down
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that is such a 70s terminology I'm sorry yeah he was awful yeah I mean
40:03
I remember animal hospital that was my childhood yeah and then you know he's ruined a lot of people's jobs I think a
40:08
lot of uh childhood he screwed a lot of people's animals enough about that person said to me once
40:16
when we're in the office she said uh I've got a Bonus pit with your generation and I was like what you want about she's like Jimmy Savile how did
40:22
you let it happen I was like you gotta remember my generation the time was five what what could you possibly what could
40:27
I possibly do to correct that situation we're the ones that got affected somehow it was your fault it's my oh
40:34
apparently I want to go on Jim will fix it because I used to love watching who
40:39
dares wins right yeah the actual movie with uh Lewis Collins thank you and I
40:44
love the scene when they're in the Iranian Embassy oh it's American Embassy yeah and he's running down the corridors they've got SES Whip and stuff like that
40:51
in the music and I wrote Jim will fix it to to do that scene so glad he never said yes
40:56
so glad because men in the Hood's taking me down a corridor would have been something very different in those days
41:02
he fixed it for me to um tell um milker Cowboys
41:11
and we're ending the podcast for the first time
41:16
but why would you say that getting away because it'd be fair I never started it yeah it's true yeah
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sorry yeah anyway yeah faces faces faces and bases makes models Aces ain't worth
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it anymore about um diversity I mean I realize
41:36
we're three white guys sat in a small room it's kind of like pot kill black sort of thing but um I I
41:43
was out for a mate's birthday and um one of one of his friends like friend of a friend is into Warhammer and he
41:50
knows a few people that work there because if you've lived in Nottingham long enough yeah you know someone that works at Games Workshop um because
41:56
they're just like the ginormous employer and he was like oh a mate of mine went for the painting job but you know you
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don't get them unless you're a woman these days and I was like what yeah and he was like yeah it just just matters
42:08
what's between your legs it doesn't matter how well you can paint he was like well I made so good at painting and he got told he was too good and he
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didn't get the job and I was like I was like one that sounds a bit you know desperate
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um but two it's kind of like it's also how you come across an interview is how you come across it's like maybe he like
42:28
there's incredible painters out there not all of them are cut out for a presenting job no
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um and they're should be a mix of people and genders and all that sort of
42:41
stuff like I remember asking my sister about this ages ago um being like why is why is diversity
42:47
important she was like well you can't be what you can't see and it's like I'm grown up being like yeah I could be well
42:54
I'm not I'm not tall enough to be a superhero but you know he's like white people everything you can do anything
42:59
yeah um and all that sort of thing so it's like women in in painting and stuff like super important
43:05
um I thought to be fair I I've always thought from the minute
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um she appears on my radar with my returning to Warhammer I've Loved Lou being a Sammy face of Warhammer because
43:18
she she dresses cool she's a bit gothy she's not very big so then when you put her with a massive chainsaws it looks
43:25
really funny and effective and I think all of that sort of creators are really
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nice package of a person to represent a company yeah instead of it being
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other spectacled bearded man do you know what I mean and it wasn't because it was the thing of going look she's doing all
43:41
the cool boy stuff yeah while not being a boy so all the things that I go you know going God I'd
43:47
love to hold the chainsawed but we'd give it to a little five foot plus Scottish girl to do it and I thought I
43:53
thought personally thought it was really really cool and I think if they move away from that yeah I think it'll be a
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terrible shape his master class going only hands I hope not I reckon it will oh you reckon not
44:08
that'd be terrible well what a waste of a backdrop because that was like a lot of money
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this is the other issue I have with marketing forward I'm ready to dive
44:21
because they throw money at stuff so much that uh I mean I remember during the warmer plus era when it was being
44:27
made they'll check your money left and right again like these the backdrops made and there was me and Joe going can we have a new camera please yeah we just
44:34
need one more camera you keep taking our cameras and our lives can we just have enough stuff so we can do our jobs yeah is that okay yeah yeah it was just weird
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but because people really look down on the YouTube they're like it's only YouTube painting on the bus yeah and again this is this is Duncan's Legacy
44:47
um which is him regardless whether you liked it then or like it now um they I think spared marketing to be
44:55
what it is today oh yeah 100 because at the time the social media was two people doing stuff on Facebook Roger and Duncan
45:02
doing YouTube videos that went on YouTube and then obviously think every now and again they'll get mentions in Facebook and then eventually they became
45:08
like posts on Facebook yeah more regularly but because without Duncan and Roger starting uh doing the videos
45:14
there's no master class because they wouldn't have realized how useful they are to the business yeah yeah so yeah um
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but yeah or um Citadel masterclass set biggest waste of
45:26
money ever let me tell you why okay come on I think
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you're gonna get a choice Jeff let's just strap yourself in I'm getting a bit of
45:37
shortcut yeah get a biscuit you're not gonna be able to get one of the dinner it's not very quick for 10 minutes
45:43
um no so when they were being Ville um the chap that was in charge of like
45:49
signing off the designs spent he he drove all the way up to the set Builders
45:54
to touch the fake bricks to check that the texture was right and that they looked good oh God I'm saying already so
46:01
you couldn't just have pictures of like pictures of bricks um I mean bricks are bricks right well these are relatively
46:09
slight slightly 3D and to be fair if you if you up like them they catch a light differently and all that kind of stuff
46:14
so it makes sense that they're slightly three-dimensional but a lot of thought went into like a brick
46:22
um and a lot of money the desk there's the sword there's all the racks to put the paint pots on there's the Citadel
46:28
Master Class sign that was put on like way too high and you can't see it um but you walk into the set and it is
46:34
just like a rectangle it's a pain in the ass to light it always looks crap it's
46:40
just like a beige square and then you put Suggs in it um she's like welcome to cinema
46:46
masterclass and then the rest of the time I know they filmed the painting in the set but they don't even show like we
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show this desk um I stick some lights on it occasionally yeah you'll be like now it's brown but with a slightly purple
46:58
Hue remember the team this is oh yeah like you can see with like I remember when I spilled the red contrast paint
47:03
everywhere there's some iron and yellow yeah yeah right next to it like it tells a story it's a character like you know
47:10
it's a very pretentious thing it's the fourth member yeah that's it um and then
47:16
they cooked the painting and they put a black piece of yeah paper down and do
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all the painting in front of that because so if yeah it could be done at the desks upstairs in the office and it
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could be like they could set the camera up and because that just goes onto a desk so I was telling them use them if
47:35
you want to get closer I remember the first Master Class they ever filmed was the painting faces and
47:43
whoever ordered the cameras um didn't really get the best lens they
47:48
were like oh this is a really good quality lens and it was like 70 mil but minimum Focus distance is a thing and a
47:54
head is minuscule yeah and they had to zoom in and zoom in and zoom in to try and get this space and it's just like
47:59
she's a macro lens you can put the camera like that far away from it if you want to and then as I was leaving like
48:05
six months later they were like oh wow background lenses are great [Laughter]
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um and that's what that's what we paint on yeah much to the detriment of the channel sometimes because
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um the stormcast um we had an issue with one of the paints that we used yeah we re-sprayed it and about and some people are
48:24
commented being like Oh the details not very good on that but you put your paint on too thick yeah yeah and I was like no
48:30
that's and and I'm like yeah we did really because we had to prime it twice yes yeah um I thought about that and
48:36
it's uh like you can see every single and also like the um the spray like gets
48:42
a bit of like coolness like from the cold temperature there's a bit of a weird body because there's been quite a lot of that yeah there's not much you
48:47
can do no no it's just like on macro lenses we'll find you out yeah yeah that's it so if Cinema class goes only
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hands that set is a hundred percent a complete waste of money and more so than it
49:02
already was yes because it's a crap set I think to filming I think it's it's a
49:08
bit rubbish or it's not utilized particularly well um and they could just do it anywhere well
49:16
I know there's a lot of people at head office that were really angry about those sets being made because that was the gym it was the gym yeah there was
49:23
the cardio gym which is what um is the YouTube because you just have like
49:28
master class which was the actual like you know full-on DM yeah bulking up kind
49:34
of thing then yeah the cardio one of the running machines and stuff which is where the YouTube one was so there's the green screen which is part of that and then um where the green screen is
49:41
completely oh yeah no it just it became like raf's desk yeah and it curves it
49:47
curves into the floor but completely stops so I'm like right if it goes into the floor it should go further so it
49:53
could like completely green screen so it's like things have been thought through a little bit but they're just so
49:59
impractical like all the sets that have been put in are permanent they should be movable yeah and and like the like the
50:06
battle report studio um that was where they used to film all the how to plays so the guys that do
50:13
to the emperor I'll beat them out um when they do like they do all the
50:19
videography for the like here the new world eaters on all the cool sliding shots and smoke and all that kind of stuff they used to put loads of effort
50:26
in this is how you play age of Sigma and there was a cool video and all the had Wicked backdrops and they'd build sets
50:32
but then that got taken away for the shiny new toy of Warhammer plus and the
50:38
battle report set went in and it's like they were like can we film a how to play in that studio no it's
50:44
Warhammer Plus Studio now we don't want that set anywhere else because it just has to be battle Rapport and it's like
50:50
why why didn't you just can you let us cover it up can can you do anything and
50:55
like those guys how their how to play is like the um like the age of Sigma one
51:00
that Pat price did that was his first yeah like yeah I remember role when he was there that set looks amazing and
51:07
they've got smoke machine they've got lights coming through and this that and the other and they've they've filmed so
51:13
many of them over the years and they know about yeah set building but they weren't talked to yeah so so one thing I
51:22
learned from from Zetas was don't don't show Corners in your set I
51:28
mean this is why I think when you guys first came in here you're like oh it's a lot smaller than yeah they used to be
51:34
because if you have corners I'm going to cut to the wide angle here because people are sick of me talking
51:39
um if you hide the corners it hides the shape of the room yeah and it makes it
51:45
makes it look bigger so you'll notice in the back reps to begin with
51:50
they just have these massive corners and then as you go further through they've put like plants in the way yeah yeah
51:58
um and it was like someone very experienced in the business knew that
52:03
and would have said no you want to do it like this but
52:09
someone went no I don't want to talk to them I'm going to yeah talk about I just want to focus on the shape of the brick
52:15
this is so you see what's really weird with that is uh because I've seen it is like sometimes some of the the folks that run departments
52:22
um may know a little bit about a thing but not a lot about a thing and a Google search later or like a quick ask a
52:29
friend kind of job you're like oh I'm an expert at this now I'll go and run it um and usually it's not as good as it
52:35
could be but I remember when we did that Andy Circus interview and we went to this place in London and it was a
52:40
probably it was um like a media company ran in the Adler's whole studio and I think the studio was rented but this group came
52:47
down to do the film and my God they everything was like so well it was like a well-ord machine yeah and I could see
52:53
like the guy's hour with were just like yeah we need to talk about game a bit this this because the guy the producer
52:59
knew his stuff yeah and he was like he had like this Commander control center with all these screens and then the guy
53:04
who had like the iPad will come up to him whisper in his ear then he'll go off to a photographer in the photography like that and the photograph was like
53:10
cool so like zoom in a little bit more on Andy or whatever so it was all these like hand signals community education
53:15
constantly going off it was so well run yeah and I was just like when
53:21
we um I think it was an Adam trade with interviewing Andy Circus I wasn't
53:26
looking at I was like just mesmerized by what everyone was doing yeah um because it was just so intriguing
53:32
um yeah the thing you said about report uh made me giggle because I remember when that was first launching we just
53:37
probably it was around back end of like the the isolation yeah
53:44
of Kerry videos most people have been still working at work a lot of people are filtering back into the office and
53:49
yeah and still doing the odd little um online gaming oh yeah wait yes I did
53:54
like some game remote games on Twitch and stuff and I was getting built up to do a kilting before the new kill team
54:00
came I was going to do this gaunt ghost um set of scenarios which was based off a book guns of tanith so I did loads of
54:06
blood packed I did loads a bunch of tanith guys and I was gonna do like coups a bit of a bad end game to kill
54:12
like one of the main tennis guys that happens in the book and stuff for her so I had all this game planned and stuff and I was like talking to to the boss at
54:18
the time and he was like no we're not going to do that anymore because that'll compete with battle report and I'm like my room with a A4 cardboard box and two
54:27
webcams is going to compete with battle report yes and be more engaging
54:33
I was never I I was just like okay Aaron you know I really wanted to run this
54:39
game and I was like cool can we do it back reports I know because it's crossing the streams that's that's not what you do I was like okay so I can't
54:45
play games then no until they ran out of staff and they needed me to join in the
54:50
game that's that's when I could join well because everyone was Ill yeah yeah and then besides the Walker I went as a Warcraft yeah yeah then it became about
54:56
maybe we should use this guy a bit more from time to time he likes playing literally once more yeah I mean I won't
55:04
say I'm like top tier gamer too but I I like to have fun like to to drive a narrative and stuff yeah I think the the
55:10
back rep with uh you and Simon like the garden voting one oh easily easily one of my favorite ones
55:16
I mean I got this joke was what but it was my favorite one just for the first thing you don't like it open oh yeah I
55:24
can't believe I got away with that I was I was shocked that I made it up just I remember watching it at home I
55:31
nearly spapped me tea across the river just a couple James reference I mean that's the other thing is like there's a lot of young lives that probably never seen a Dad's Army but just like that
55:38
sounds legit we'll put it in I mean to be fair like I remember watching that Army when I was little because my dad
55:43
watched it but um I I didn't get the reference I just thought it was really funny because I
55:48
just had images of of you as a Guardsman shoving the bayonet up into officer
56:09
I like to give like Arguments for and against um yeah and uh we're talking about like
56:15
the race and diversity thing um maybe by removing faces that doesn't
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become an issue because it's just a voice then yeah yeah I mean if it was
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just like gloved hands yeah I mean I mean that's that's the only thing I've knocked on me no no but I mean you know
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is that is that the thought process behind us like you know there there's a lot of people getting sick because we only employ women now for for YouTube
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videos even though it's not true yeah um and you know how do we deal with like making it accessible to all uh cultures
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and uh Creeds uh just remove the face remove I mean obviously there's still The Voice there's still males on feet
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you know if they can translate it it will appeal to a wider audience yes around the world yeah so if I'm putting
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my devil's advocate I can see I can see the positives I feel like I've uh you know spoken a bit more seriously than I
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usually do um sorry it's a serious I mean we'd like what people would be watching this thing you know check it in
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the comments what are your thoughts are yeah do you think it's the right thing to do do you think it's a weird thing to do or just think you don't care yeah
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it's not bothered you'll still watch regardless I feel like we need some comic relief yeah yeah and that was a
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heavy app it's been a heavy episode what have you been up to I've got no trousers
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it's not normally our fault
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yeah Bob Ross is down there again I was here um
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you know you do well here but you've got to work down there I've never barbec oh at least die
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brushing you got to beat the devil out oh yeah I'll beat the table up thank you very
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much oh that's terrified
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and there we go back to normal yeah like an apple core I think I think it's
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some elements of what I'm a pleasure did it obviously just a bit of a trigger form well I know Bobby you you lived it
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didn't you when you were there and you oh you saw like some weird decisions and I mean I I think for me I I was at the
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point then anyway that was just like that's just another day in the office for me yeah that's fine that's just normal I mean because you you were an
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external that's come in and you had your own process and you're like this is weird but I've obviously like been there
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so long that I'm so used to that kind of level of yeah yeah non-creatives telling creatives how to do I mean it was
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something Liz showed me that it was like a statement and it's something I think a lot of businesses should follow
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including Workshop which is you should always employ people more intelligent than you yeah absolutely right because
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that's how you you grow a business that's how you so like you're if you're if you're managing like me if I was
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managing Army painters I'd want my Army painters to be faster better
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you know come up with all the cool like weird hacks than I ever did and that's
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how you make a successful team is get rid of your ego going oh they're all better than me yeah yeah I'm gonna stamp
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them down and put them in the place you're like no no you could make yeah you really want a team that everybody on it is biting at the heels of your job
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yeah you really want that yeah yeah because if if Duncan was really successful
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um and then left like my if I was in that position I'd be like right okay let's let's try and have three more
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Duncans yeah and have like a really big team yeah and because for a lot of people and then I guess potentially for
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for a lot of the presenters like like that is the job that's like the dream job like doing painting presenting for
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the company that make all the games um like that that would be phenomenal
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um but then it it then all of the restrictions on it and like you can only
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use this many paints or that many brushes or this that and the other um I've got to use a tile you can't have
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a wet palette yeah yeah and and like something I think you said in when you're transgapping like the first chat
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show that we did was like you know the creativity should come from like the model um and like that should alter the
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process of it yeah how you do it yeah which is the way we always used to handle paint guides yeah which is like
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you look at the model and you work your way around all the color yeah which is what we do um but yeah you're right you don't just have like a and again this is something
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I've learned over the years which is um a format should work around creativity not creativity should work to
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afford yeah yeah um and it was an old manager in charge of publication said that because it was during the time we did a how to paint
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tank book and we I don't know if I've mentioned this before it's funny um and they was space boxes on pages and
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it was like I think um three boxes across with text underneath it and ah it took me I think
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three or four stages to do some rust on a tank and I was told can you either make it
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three or six and I was like what do you mean it's like well we only have space to do three
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boxes down so it's three that way three that way through that so your rust needs to be either three or six is like it's
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four no it can't before I was like it's four
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I'm so I remember Dave I'm just going it's four find a way to make it fear and
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that became like a top tip boxer too bad top tips uh but it was just so funny
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that I was just like no no the format says you can't do yes yeah so I always
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used to find that quite funny when you get like um like non-creative mindsets just going but you've now ruined my
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equilibrium of my pages yeah yeah which I guess is an issue of uh Judy being so
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big and having all these big departments and and the design the guy that designed it
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um would have gone well this looks really nice and this is the best design yeah and then it's like oh this painter
1:01:52
wants to change it and yeah this one is different to every single other one and that looks rubbish it's like gotta kill
1:02:00
you darling I mean I remember doing little layouts when I was talked about in a previous one where we used to
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alongside codex used to do these big pain girls like the series of um Fenris or the sons of sanguineous I used to do
1:02:10
like a little mock-up of what I think we were going to do for all the different like get all the different paintings and we'll go oh dude this space we will do
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this many colors for this thing we'll do the power armor we'll do that how many stages you reckon for plasma gun four okay we'll put four boxes let's put five
1:02:23
just in case you go over because I know what you like your glow is and put that there that could be top tips I would
1:02:28
give this like mock-up layout sometime not to war because there was a couple of graphic designers that knew there there yeah excuse me I just swore I've never
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done that before on this show I do apologize edit that out I'm gonna leave that in
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um oh no potty mouth I'm sorry everyone I'm sorry young children I do apologize that was that was terribly wrong don't
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do it uh yeah so um I did this little layout and some of the newer folks just followed it and I'm like what are you
1:02:54
doing they're like oh we're just following your leg I was like I'm not allowed guy they're just like little boxes to give you an idea how many
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spaces you need don't follow my layout it's rubbish oh yeah bless him but that's what I'm
1:03:06
saying you knew yeah so yeah sometimes you just get people that don't know what they're doing and people that are really new and they're all in the same
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Department yeah this happens anyway I'm still giggling
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at the Blindfolded cow milk [Laughter] I can't I can't take credit for that
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that was on um I think it was on Northern Ireland radio you know after the whole
1:03:30
oh yeah the whole thing blew up with regards Jimmy Savile and they were June and Arthur colony and someone said
1:03:37
if you had any experiences if you can travel can you get in touch with the show and someone wrote in wrote that in
1:03:45
and the News the the DJ on the radio read it out she read it out and then
1:03:51
after the news she had to go we think we may have been pranked with nothing you
1:03:56
think it's like um during that did you ever seen Carol Kirkwood she does the weather oh yes yeah yeah only never from
1:04:03
Strictly yeah well on Strictly um someone said she said get in touch and
1:04:10
tell us I said you know it's raining across the country get in touch and tell us how wet it is where you are and she
1:04:16
reads out she said John from Converse been in touch and he said it will appear it's wetter than the otter's
1:04:23
pocket
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did she write her house on the air I did want to have never heard that expression
1:04:37
yeah so I can't as much as I'd love to take credit for the uh the the Glide poles as well milk and a cow are
1:04:43
unfortunately can't anything more hilarious and equally embarrassing than getting it like a news anchor to read
1:04:49
out something really so bad oh it's brilliant as well it's like Radio One
1:04:54
used to do innuendo Bingo oh God didn't you Endo Bingo was phenomenal yeah where
1:05:00
it would be like I've only I've just said I've never listen to radio on but one of the videos came up on YouTube recently and it's like two people sat
1:05:06
there with Mel's full of water and then they'll listen to things I've been said in the news that week
1:05:12
yesterday yeah I know it's like one from Downton or something like that it reminds me a bit like the dad jokes thing where you get two people across
1:05:18
the table from each other yeah yeah oh Sensational so anything else I want
1:05:26
to touch them before or is it are we done is that is just like a big pile of Rage that one mainly I don't know rage I
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just think it was just I said old pack got quite angry one did it well yeah well about a backdrop for sure yeah it
1:05:38
was quite the weirdest of things to kicked him up yeah I've got my handles really no I think like you know I'm I'm
1:05:46
not like some set design wizard I don't I don't I like I know one thing about sets and it could be Corners because
1:05:53
someone I respect and uh Holden I regard told me that once yeah but that's the
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difference between you is you listened
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you listened to someone who knows what they're doing yes yeah no I clearly I I thought going into this I was like I'm
1:06:09
probably gonna have a lot of opinions so apologies if I've no I mean that's that's a great thing about too passionate on this well I'll change the
1:06:15
subject for a second for those asking about where we are now it's the new year because we have a quite cool message about someone good it's been a week
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already what's going on with necromonda oh yeah yeah so but by now they will have been curtailed because they'll have
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had a video out already telling them where we are with necromonda because we did a quite a full show about it yeah oh
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like last week's one yeah last week's one yeah and then I was gonna say I mean you know a bit of a cheeky pipeline
1:06:39
thing is like we mean you've got some painting videos that are requirements that we we need to do we're still working through the guard one and we've
1:06:45
done a guard one a big guard painting video out to paint an army yeah um then we've kind of done the 10
1:06:50
regiments so we're working on that uh we've got some other little commitments to do sponsored stuff and then we will
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start doing I mean right after we're gonna do a test game we're gonna do a test okay talk about anything else
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like you can sign up to patreon if you want it and and all that sort of stuff
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uh let's go and play games yeah so yeah Patron patreon element games
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pocket money Thief if you're German yeah I'm not attempting to say it in Germany
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and please please if you can let's just practice that every day though no no I think I think it's just stuck in my head
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like I don't and I like I'm very self-conscious about doing it wrong so I
1:07:31
say it in a silly terminated voice and if you're abroad also if we are we Amazon now as well um no I don't I think we we have access
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to the Amazon affiliate program so we can do maybe that future the description just gets bigger and bigger and bigger
1:07:45
yeah it's all down there yes I can describe is what I'm calling it
1:07:52
there like like a subscriber who knows like and describe that's right that's what I couldn't that's how you mean
1:07:57
all of that yeah that's the problem isn't it is you get that as the show goes on and you you do better and you
1:08:03
get more things going on the the end of the show becomes longer than the shows yeah yeah I am conscious about like um
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so someone asked in the Discord they're like oh have you thought about having an affiliate program with this UK based
1:08:15
shop and I'm like we we do element games already yeah um we had an email from someone else saying hey do you want to do one with us and it's like I don't
1:08:21
want three um like one is good set element games works for us yeah
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um yeah um so yeah I don't know maybe that somebody might offer is a bad deal or
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whatever but uh yeah put some figures on some paper and we'll think about it
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but no but also I don't I don't just want to like just go with people just because like we might get like two
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percent more yeah income or something like that I was just like you know element games around the corner yeah
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yeah that's it yeah yeah so um so there we go that that's another yeah it's been
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a blast that's been a bit of an interesting episodes yeah well we'll soon find out we'll see we'll check the views later
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yes let's play some necromunda wow that sounds like a good way to end an episode sorry guys you're not going to see this
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bit I do apologize the camera's gonna go black he won't be able to see our test game for the best yeah definitely thanks for
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watching everyone thank you very much bye-bye bye
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