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May 12, 2023
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this video is brought to you by Squarespace hey I'm peachy hey I'm Jeff and today we
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are joined by a very special guest it is Siege Studios James old hero thank you very much
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the company name isn't on my birth certificate
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yeah so your founder and CEO that's correct yes yeah I have the esteemed honor and uh privilege of being in that
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position yeah so I've been aware of C Studios for many years uh for numerous reasons uh one you always do follow
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Friday and you always link me in and it's very kind so thank you very much for always doing that it's fine whoever whoever that she was me personally yeah
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I do it every Friday yeah and I'm awful on social media I always mean to like hashtag people inside thanks or
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something but I'm useless uh so that's one way I've become known as these years but also a few staff that have gone
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through a workshop of work for you and I've just like seen lots of stuff so much stuff on Instagram I'm just like
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like like that's amazing like a lot you do so sorry I mean that's good I mean
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that you know that that constant sort of like I guess hitting the algorithm making yourself more out there is
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because I'm well I think with social media I'm more aware of who you are before that was more like a name here
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and there in the background stuff yeah I I I've basically I I don't I didn't in
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the early days I didn't really do anything like me personally it was always just obviously as a business but um but I I when we do like internal
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meetings we do like internal company zooms and stuff like that it came evident from some of the some of the team and I encourage people to be like
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just put ideas on the table all that kind of stuff and they're just like the company's a little bit faceless like you know and I was like right okay I come
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from a music background so I'm used to being like on stage and stuff like that so I was like well social media is just essentially like a stage but with
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Millions more people watching you and and yeah once it's out there everyone can see it so you know it's not like in a little venue or something so um so
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yeah so I I just took that on board and I started doing like Sunday streams where I do like an hour on just Sunday
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just talking and answering questions about painting and whatever and things like that and I just think it's it's taking on feedback is really important
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and I didn't want the company to be faceless so yeah yeah yeah yeah no I mean there's so much that Siege offers
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and we'll get into that in a minute I my burning question I've got and I'm sure our we've got a load of questions on the
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patreons as well which we'll hit later but yeah when did it start and why right it's two it's two birthdays I'll explain
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why that is uh so the first one is when I literally just started Siege and started the email and the other one is
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when we actually became incorporated as a business um so I actually started Siege in 2013
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uh but we're Incorporated in August of 2014. so for me it's been 10 years yeah
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but as a business it's just nine yeah okay so yeah so like all our Merchants offices 2014 because I was
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like you can't really do it if you're not Incorporated like that's not official yeah so so yeah so it's uh 10
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years in total but nine years as a as an incorporated business so yeah well so yeah yeah and was it just like one day
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you just went you know what I like painting I bet other people like painting let's let's make it into a business kind of thing uh kind of uh so
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I literally uh I had a huge gap like everybody does I'm sure loads of people
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familiar with having to get me obviously uh go on holidays with friends and mine was nine years or so in music the tour
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in my backside round loads of countries and stuff and then it all fell apart and one of my life found Warhammer and that
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was it green light go um but uh yeah so it essentially I my when in the early days when I was a kid
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I used to paint stuff for my friends and like yeah in my gaming group uh I just I always enjoyed painting
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uh came back after the bands and then just started putting like the occasional video up on social media just on YouTube
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like here's like a what do I painted or whatever got approached by a few guys and they're like oh do you wanna do you want to like paint some models for like
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like commission like for other people and I was like at that point I wasn't like 100 Savvy in the whole entire niche
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of the of the war game initiative commission painting um so I I'd started doing it and and
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there was just lots of things I was like I'm not really happy with how this is or happy with this how this is or happy with how this is and and in my full-time
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real-time job I was a recruitment consultant so I'm used to sort of like super strict this is how it must be done
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with this process you know blah blah and I'm I'm Joe Mark's manager will back me up in this even though like he he does
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all the operation side of things now for Siege but like I'm terrible at following processes sometimes and and I and I'm
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more happy to admit doing that you know that I but I you know um but I in the early days I set rudimentary procedures
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and things in place that I obviously followed them yeah um and and just tried to do something a bit more professional yeah um because I
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just I'd always I I in that environment every single day yeah so for me it kind
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of like doing it any other way didn't kind of feel right for me yeah I always I'd always side myself with the client
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I'd be like right well this clients waiting for this or if they haven't heard this or if there's this or this or this or this
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I'd contact a bit personally yeah and and I just and especially if I'm I was the one painting the models and then
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this was happening yeah so I just thought right well look it's been great as a brief learning experience and
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obviously just trying and seeing obviously if there's a possibility of doing that but then I kind of stepped away and went right I'm gonna set
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something up and I'm gonna it for the year of 2013 2014 I just done private
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ones by myself through the email known as it uh with us with an Instagram account and um and and yeah just just it
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got to a point where I was like right uh this this can be something serious yeah and then I still done it for a period of
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three four years as a side thing even though it's incorporated as a thing I've done it as a side thing to my full-time
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recruitment job um and it got to a point where some things happened with recruitment um some goal posts changed and I lost my
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mortgage at the time as a result of like this in a bonus and at that point I just thought that I've got a 30 days holiday yep I know what it's doing around a
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full-time pay job I'm just gonna Don some Speedos and goggles and dive straight in and you know please tell
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where you set that opinions together I wasn't a very hot flat like a third or fourth floor it was very very hot um
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for any old kinds of stages that was definitely not the case so yeah no um
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yeah no I I I said I I just dived in because I was like right well you know
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um it's got to the point that it's got to uh I'm not valued where I am yeah and uh and that's that's a huge thing for me
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as as an owner of business as well it's valuing obviously the people who work for the company because I've been through that and I've been there in that
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in that situation and I've also seen hundreds of companies that I've gone in for meetings you know in Recruitment and
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I've Just Seen staff that aren't valued and all that kind of stuff and I didn't she just I don't like that kind of thing so and so we try and see just I try and
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make it the best environment possible to work for a business if that makes sense I don't know from my point of view I see is two things you've got like two
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patches of ground one which is cultivated and grown and you know turn into a nice beautiful garden that's like
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if you go into like Council Estates you get like the old lady's house which is like beautiful yeah and you get the sofa
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with like grass that's grown over it's just like Barren so sometimes businesses like I just dump stuff on it they don't
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really matter just leave it it's just a resource to be mine and then this one's like it's beautiful it's creative it's very nice so pretty good to look at so
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that's absolutely creative is like you have to like really get the best out of them don't you 100 yeah yeah like the
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creative individual is a very different sort of uh individuals that maybe don't have that Creative Flair or creative side of things I think it like nurturing
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and aiding and guidance is very important um yeah well before we start recording
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we obviously talk about imposter syndrome like I see it all the time and I have as well you know me personally like yeah obviously I'm a painter for a
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certain level or whatever blah blah but I see stuff day in day out that like blows my mind and it's a very privileged
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position to be in and see that stuff every day but it also makes you think I I I can't do that yeah I wish I could do
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that you know and it's very similar to that yeah but uh but yeah
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so I wasn't part of this chat show because at the time I was very ill lying on this sofa unable to speak
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so I've got a burning question and I asked Jeff what is what his thoughts is so obviously you're in the music
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industry I've got an idea what he did what do you reckon his music genre was what genre yeah I'm gonna go with
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Egyptian death metal oh my my favorite Egyptian jacket no I've lost my guess
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I'm sorry
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I just got um I don't know I've got a feeling that was um I don't got a feeling that was sort of light Funk
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based it wasn't you're very close uh less of the Egyptian but yeah I was I was in a couple of I
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was in a death metal band and I was also in like a a um if you know a bank or Parkway Drive
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uh yeah yeah very very similar before they went sort of like super super massive Arena rock
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where they were like proper um proper sort of um uh just metal core and I was
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like in a metalcore band as well so yeah
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if I end up on a desert island I will not need a pillow after six weeks so it's fine okay all right so I'll be fine
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yeah um but yeah so you know that was fun for nine years and I and I even with
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bands I still treated it as a business like you know um I think we before before we were signed we used to you
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know have lots of problems where we go to shows and and not um and not get paid for like traveling for three and a half
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hours just to get a bit of petrol petrol cover so one of the things that I did was I set up a email address of a guy
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that we said was our booking agent who wasn't a booking agent who was me who I worked under another Alias and then I
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used to send a contract before the show to make sure that we got paid for petrol where we've been paid and we just turn
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up and go oh did that did did John send you the contract through for the for for us playing and they'd be like oh yeah
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yeah we got it there you go so we need to be paid before we play or pay half before exactly yeah I had to do that
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because we used to play so many shows and we'd Rock up and play to the Village goat and the chair at the bar stool and and like like fair enough like the
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promoter hadn't promoted the show or whatever but our van or cars or whatever yeah and I think that I'm in a bit of
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distance yeah couldn't really it helps it it takes awkwardness out of the correct yeah out of the situation and
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money doesn't it really if you can do that yeah I I I it's really funny because I I always used to see it it is
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it was a business agreement like we come to play play the music we played and like you you're advertising the show for
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us to to obviously play to people so like it was that kind of a agreement and is it a bit unhanded obviously have that
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book that that Alias I I guess maybe a little bit in those days but just to safeguard yourself it was absolutely
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right there's nothing I hate talking money with clients because one of my problems is that people don't turn off
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for a haircut and they pay for an advance online I know they don't get their money back yeah yeah and I hate having to discuss it I agree yeah
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there's no clients who are throwing up and they go oh I can't make my haircut Jeff and I'm like okay I'm sorry you can't be it's a shame and then they go
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um kind of move that down to and I go well I can make you a new appointment but that money won't travel no but I have no vehicles and I'm like yeah
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you've been in my 30 minutes yeah maybe you're there or not you know I always say it's a it's a funny one because what
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you're buying off me is a haircut but what I'm selling you is 30 minutes of my time I don't get my 30 minutes but in a weird
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way I kind of get that because we do want one there's no Siege offers its own tuition and stuff like that and you'll probably go into that yeah yeah a little
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while but um I always feel bad if they you know they drop a message and they're like oh I'm feeling alone I can't make
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it anything but like we can reschedule but what I've now lost is that time slot for someone else can pull someone in I
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had it last week I I had somebody couldn't make a haircut and then uh bless her she came in though she came in
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and went Jeff I'm sorry I let you down I was on a business call I couldn't get out and I'm like I'm fine I'm you know
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I'm sorry I couldn't cut your hair and then she was like I'll book one for tomorrow and you feel terrible because you're going well I've had twice out of
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that hair yeah yeah yeah you know but I'm like I'm really really short yeah I'm sorry Joe you know I can't give you
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I can't give you money but no I don't expect it back it's on me but I hate talking money so if you can have you
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know maybe that's what I need to do when they when they phone up I need to put a different accent on them definitely yeah Jeff said that you can't help your money
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back honestly you just play a different different thing that Russian guy is he's
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now got work
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you said that because the thing is is like you're quite right like you are selling time that's your commodity that's very close to my heart like it's
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something that uh I I everyone in the office and everyone I speak to in general like when we speak to clients or
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you know conventions or whatever like it that is the commodity that we sell I I understand that people perceive it as
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paint Miniatures and all that kind of stuff but it that two days that the person is going to spend on a model or
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those evenings that they spend on the model is even if they could spend with their kids or they can spend you know spend it watching whatever they want to
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on Netflix or any of those programs or whatever like that's the commodity we trade and I think I've been on a mission
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for the last 10 years of trying to through Siege get people to Value commission painting yeah value the
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experience and the time that goes into because what's done a good friend of mine he um he ended up between uh jobs
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and he's been a manager of again Workshop store and over the time he then
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ends up in Upper headquarters and he's a massed loads of plastic and he thought he said to before I can start he's got
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got a gap and then I'm going into another job he thought what's earn some money in between and he painted uh
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the ultramarine company from the tyronic wars so we did loads of like scratches
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and you know and Claws hanging off their belts and all that sort of stuff and he he showed me and he's I went that's
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amazing he said yeah he said it's it's old and I was like how would you go for 1600 quid and I'm like wow and he went
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yeah but he stayed I jotted down every minute that I spent on it and he says and I'm massively below minimum wage
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yeah and I think the people don't they they they they they look at 1600 quid of
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buying painted plastic toys don't they don't look at the amount of hours it creates to get there yeah and that's the
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problem I'd like to chat to you about because it's made me think about a couple of things when I used to work at
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Workshop we used to do um the freelancome projects out so like age of Sigma was hitting they needed
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some more armies to him and the cost for the Army painters was so low that a lot of them just didn't want to do it
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because it wasn't worth their time in the evening so they were like I could spend time with my family or I could just spend time with my friends or earn
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this pittance and but I'm spending like all my evenings for the next two weeks earning this pittance which is money
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when you look at you like it's still money but it's like that is my free time worth more than this extra cash that I'm
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being paid by workshop and it panned out that actually a lot of the other some of the other departments around the business were getting paid more per hour
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right per whatever but the argument was yeah but your army painters now I've always thought that when you sat at the
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table and you physically painting doesn't matter if you're a high-end painter or a low end painter you still I
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mean there are some strategies in the hacks and stuff that we can all learn but for the most part and heavy metal painting an eye painter
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there we go on their chair a lot longer doing their thing than an army painter would be because and they're doing more
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they're doing there's more book so like if I was in an army I'd like 200 figures
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whereas every amount would have like 20. and we're there in the same time but they get paid more yeah and I'm like how
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is that balanced and stuff like that so I always used to be quite an annoyance it's quantity versus quality but it's
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it's still it's still a mountain but it's still there it still amounts to being 60 seconds in a minute yeah yeah you know yeah yeah one of the things I
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mean I'm very very I've spoked about it a few times with different individuals in different over mediums but like I I
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see commission painting as a trade and absolutely that that rubs some people up the wrong way and I understand why I I
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just want to make it clear like I understand that this whole entire industry comes from a hobby yeah background I get that totally when I'm
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outside The Siege office when I'm at home in my painting room painting blood angels every single day of my life for the rest of my life
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um I that is what it is for me yeah but it's a really weird amalgamation our
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industry like within more gaming like commission painting is a weird niche of a niche it's
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it's a it's a perceive as a hobby in general by everybody yeah but I I wanna I want individuals in my
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business to be able to do all the things they want to be able to do through doing the thing that they love yeah and the thing is is every other trade on Earth
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every other trade on Earth is valued for what it is well well the funny thing is
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is I realize with you you are actually the reverse of me because I say you buy
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my time but what you what people buy from you is they're buying their own
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time back aren't they because it's time they haven't had to spend yeah painting
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an army which they're either they just don't have the time available or they don't have the the skill or the resource
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or the fact that's sitting there will make them extraordinarily anxious because they're not doing it a fast enough for a tournament or be up to a
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standard that they're happy with so you are selling them not only just a painted product but you're selling them their
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own time back correct yeah instead of going I don't have to dedicate that Sunday to get the whole art then yeah
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the next 10 Sundays to get that Army ready for a tournament because they've bought it done from you you they've
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bought time back it's Sundays with their kids not Sunday sat at a table it is a really strange thing when you do it
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because there is that whole world you know well I just do it as a hobby and I've had it at conventions like I I'll
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talk to anybody that comes up to Siege then not you know and I'll grab the answer any questions I physically can at that point we're speaking with them
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um but the the thing is is that it's it for the last 10 years or so it's taken a
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long time to to kind of gradually hopefully shift an understanding of what it is that we are as a business you know
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it's whether you're somebody who paints models for your friends and they give you a packet of Chris since it's a six
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pack as a Diet Coke that's fine if you're happy to trade your time for that there's nothing wrong with that and I
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wanted to say that clearly yeah um however because I've always wanted to
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do it from the moment I started Siege and for the moment I I've thought of this is how I want to do it I wanted it
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to be a business I wanted it to be uh you know develop into this thing that people can earn decent money doing and
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also enjoy what they do doing it as well um that's very far removed from a from a
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hobby and I think that you know I never want it to mitigate and take away from someone's personal
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this is my hobby I enjoy doing this blah blah I think the moment you cross that precipice of trying to do it professionally or trying to do it as to
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earn a decent manual or a salary or whatever it has to be considered that the thing that really gets me is that
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like is that you you know for every other trade on Earth you go to college you study you spend all these years you
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get a bit of paper at the end of it says you've got you know you've got this okay yeah
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but but you know in our industry the person starting learning to paint and
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progressing and becoming a better painter in my mind is no real different than the
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years dedicated the concentrated dedication of two three years in college yeah but when when the person develops
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that skill they then don't have this shiny bit of paper that's like I'm commission painting that like you don't
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get that and there's an interesting thing I mean firstly I've got a friend who's um a hobbyist who worked in retail with
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me his name's nige uh and he hates painted I used to spray a lot of these things black and you could tell he just
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didn't enjoy it he pays people now to paint stuff and you can see it's happy he gets what he wants how he wants to do
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and I don't think out there there's there's no right or wrong way to do the hobby that I used to have people come in the store that just wanted to read the
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books people would come and just wanted to play the game so when you say it's hobby it doesn't have to be painting no it doesn't just don't want to do that
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yeah um but going to the uh the certificate thing I think that's really interesting thing and you know I'm not saying which
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should be a thing but out there on eBay there are people that refer to himself as Pro painted because they do it professionally and they call themselves
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Pro painted but it looks like they've done just every color mixed together and
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people are paying thinking and sometimes they show the wrong image they show an image from a website yeah and they get this this lump and that's like having a
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cowboy Builder versus an actual absolute qualified Builder the thing is that the reason why so having a certificate would
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make it might be incredibly biased if I set up some I've said this before like you know every other train on Earth has
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a governing body or has like a guild or has like a chartered Institute or accreditation or something you can't do that without us purely because number
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one if I set it up I'll be extremely biased a Siege which is completely incorrect on the other side all jokes aside on the
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flip side of it like because it has this artistic creative side of it that's the one thing that differentiates it really
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I mean look you speak to a carpenter and arguably that is art as well you know yeah yeah some of the joints you see on
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tables they're like beautiful like construction-wise they're incredible I think carpentry is like probably the
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closest with the that has like a splash of artistry to it um Plumbing I mean I'm not taking away
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many plumber any electrical you do some Plumbing that you see is
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like Immaculate your stain and the kind of my kitchen sink and it's like blooming jungle but the reality the reality is is that like I think because
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ours has got this artistic overlay of creativity to it
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with what you're saying about eBay about Pro paints and stuff like that there's nothing there's nothing inherently wrong with that whatsoever I'm not saying you
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were saying that but like the the reality is is that there's just it's it's like going in an art gallery and
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looking at one point artists painting and looking guy that's amazing yeah and then there's a either go to another
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artist and it's just like a gridded square with like one red square oh a good old round yeah
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yeah it was burning my time I couldn't remember I didn't want to say something wrong dude I didn't do a lot of history
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there's though both of the bits of art are worth being in the gallery yeah however they're just interpreted very
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different very very different as well like you know it looks like a child colored in but yeah well that's the thing is it's all and this is the
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problem with those which will you get into with regards to selling the product and trying to get it away from being a
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hobby is the factors you are selling something that is utterly subjective yeah correct but the thing that is
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annoying is is the fact is that I think we don't have our people's boundaries these are what they accept to be art is
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very limited or different from person to person people going I'd like you to pay five thousand pounds for this Army of
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plastic men and they go well that's totally ridiculous but the same person might look at a 5 000 pound piece of picture in a gallery correct yeah and go
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that's amazing and that is a job that is someone's job and it's just a perception of just a perception of the term art the
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problem with artists it's such an enormously big word for three letters it has so much scope as well this is the
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thing like you know and that's the really interesting point about I think that's what keeps me super engaged and
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super interested in the niche of finishing painting within the wargaming industries because it's it it has it's
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so much to it that every day is completely different and the reality of
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it is that again talk having these amazing conversations with people and clients and people I see at shows or you
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speak through social media or whatever and like trying to you get you'll get some client customers that understand it
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completely because they have that and they they go right okay well it's time blah blah but I think as we've said like
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because it's not visible tangible thing like people don't really value it as much I find and I think that's something
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that you know is is a real shame because without turning to morbid when it's gone
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and you've used it you don't get it back so that really in the grand scheme of things in my mind it's way more
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important than lots of other things yeah and how you if you choose it's really like a a huge thing like if if those
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people that do go oh yeah I'll paint your uh some dark eldo I'll paint your elbow or else or whatever for a packet
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of Christmas and some coke that's actually like one of the nicest things that someone can do for you because they're giving that commodity that they
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don't get ever again yeah basically for nothing yeah you know which I think is an amazing thing so if
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anyone that does that that's that's brilliant and hats off to you either way but it's not in my mind the way to approach it if you're wanting to
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treat it and earn a living from it yeah if you follow me I think that's that's a huge difference sorry Jeff I had a
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tablet I was doing some commission stuff as in like if I was to do it alone Lone Wolf and that was with war daddy a video
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should be coming out in a week or so's time because we've got to set time when we're gonna put it out and that was really interesting for me because when I
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was working at in the only painting team you'll get like freelance to Fat you still have that
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security blanket of a salary so even if like oh sorry Pete you know I'm a bit behind because you know the child's
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there not a chance to get this unit done can we put you know add that into the photography later on they'll be like yeah it's fine so you had that security
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blanket of being able to push things a little bit more but also you know sometimes I want it was the cost was a
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bit longer that's not really worth my time in the evenings to be fair but I'll do it because it needs doing um whereas doing this for war Dad it was
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really interesting because I was constantly like is this enough is this too much and you know what I'll
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talk in the video a bit more about it um when it when it gets put up live but um he rescues Miniatures he buys my eBay
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rescues them and then he it's basically people in between work you would like say you know trying to do
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some commission painting single Miniatures get like three quid a model then it's like dreadnoughts like eight quid I think tanks and bigger things are
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like a tenor and like big big badass character like promotes like uh 15 or something like that so I've got all
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these metal Talons and I'm painting them up and I'm like I'm I have to do some maths here I'm like my time is valuable
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but I always want to get this up to a certain point that's this that's going to sell so I'm like when I was at
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Workshop it was 10 pound an hour um and that's good so if I'm spending an
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hour and these are three quid each I'm probably spending 20 minutes per figure yeah so but if I'm batching them I can
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yeah I can cut Corners I can save time when I'm bashing them so that's that's that's 10 figures so I'm looking at 20
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minutes for 10 figures that's 200 minutes so we you know about a couple of two hours something like that
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um so I've got two hours to paint this unit to turn two hours to paint this unit at 10 and I'm just bashing through and I'm like doing like a couple of Base coats a couple of contrasts contrast
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Shades were really helpful here dry brushing and I'm there at the end of it going I'm happy with them but I should put more into it and then I'm like if I
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put more into it that's more of my time now I'm losing yeah but then I'm starting to get this imposter syndrome like that am I am I not am I am I doing
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a bad job here is it would people buy this because I know my friend would probably buy this because they're base
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carried and they're colored in yeah whereas he can't do that he doesn't like curling in models I do
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uh but I have standards of what I like what I want on my on my table whereas I've seen people at war game shows where
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they're just happy with like you know the model sprayed white or the model sprayed blue or whatever it's massively
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that is again it's just an absolute case balances yeah you know absolutely if I think of like you know you you it's
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beautiful to have a it's lovely to have a beautiful Army but then also at the same point in time it's this thing of
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remembering they're four foot away if you get if you believe if you game with them well that's trying to find your
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balance isn't it that's exactly it I mean if you're if you're going to be putting them on a table you're going to
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be having you know drink near them or you're going to be eating your favorite crisps and then the models and all that
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kind of stuff like do you really want to be invested in like that amount of time into into into into painting them if
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they're gonna do that if however you're going to put them on a shelf and it's your favorite character and you're gonna be looking at it for the rest of your life or whatever like it's a very
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different purpose for that model exactly because no one's ever a tournament so they've
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got to give it to you that seventh Marine across on the left that's a really nicely written I love the eight
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highlight stages yeah yeah you're really really caught that Purity seal really well
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because it become a blocked things yeah but I think your your website does this really well because what what you have
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is you have different I said coding system but you have gold you know what you get with gold you know what you're getting with silver yeah you
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know what you're getting with bronze I mean I could be wrong bronze feels like more unit levels and stuff like that yeah now you've got Warrior yeah someone
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asked about a bit more yeah that's something that was on the back burner of doing for a very long time covered
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happened I I actually it's even before covered I actually thought of doing Mario in 2017 and and literally
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I was at the point whereby things are going Siege was going it was just me back then obviously just on the office side and all that thing
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um and I just didn't have enough plates to put that food on and spin it as well
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I was literally like right I can't so it went on the back burner once I was set to launch it and set to do it
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and then covered happened and I was like right okay it went on the back burner again so it's been in the making for
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quite some time but you you know when I started Siege 10 years ago uh I done my sort of research and due
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diligence in the industry because just because again coming from a very competitive recruitment background I don't want to be doing stuff that other people are doing and all that kind of
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stuff um so I named the levels and this I think this is the mistake that I made when I set Siege up and and I I kind of
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named that level something which I thought had an arbitrary value assumed like you've got the bronze silver gold Platinum Etc
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um but they weren't copyrighted names so so the the issue with that is that it it for the beginning of Siege where nobody
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else had those names it that was what was offered at Siege and then obviously as the industry's got bigger and bigger
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and bigger and I was obviously you know I don't I don't mind people using the same names or anything until I've got my ownership over those words or whatsoever
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but I think I would very much have liked to have had names which were relevant to Sage to yeah different things on different places so
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that could confuse and you do get you get oh this person's bronze is this or this and I get that
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title and the thing is that you know we're at the point we're at and our levels are what they are but I I I'm firm believer in what we present for
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each levels hopefully is a good representation what our levels are and it's just down to the consumer and the
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customer to decide whether this bronze is better than this but this is and again that's with the out the overlay of
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it being art as well so you know um but Warrior um obviously all of our levels
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are stylistically very much like box art so we're painting a very sort of clean Edge highlighted style
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um stylistically if someone there could be customers that potentially prefer a
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more airbrush style that that they come to our website and they're like oh there's nothing really for me you know or or I I don't know if I can have that
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because everything that I see on there is is a certain way so Warrior was a little bit of an experiment in the sense of hopefully trying to offer something
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that is tailored and targeted more a person who wants to game with something yeah
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um and obviously factually they take less work in the sense because you're not doing loads of hours of edge
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highlighting on them on this they've got some edging on them but not as much um a lot of the work is done more with
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an airbrush as opposed to just sitting doing a lot loads and loads and loads of edge highlighting and loads of brush work on the models and then it hopefully
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gives someone uh the option of of choosing something that both maybe price point wise and also stylistically is
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what they prefer um and then it just it just it just increases hopefully what a potential
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customer can choose from by coming to the business and that's that's kind of like what we wanted to do before it's such a broad spectrum because I was looking at the gallery and like you know
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you you know what you get when you look at Platinum you're like that that is pretty high-end levels of stuff so it
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goes I think the name for me the names make sense yeah I I I saw the worry ones and it did look a lot obviously when I
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was looking at it that looks airbrushed there's some highlights on it but what makes that difference to bronze but you made that quite clear now yeah
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bronze definitely has that and we get our system that's one of the first things we got so it's like because in the video I thought we really good to
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spoke about it with the guys in the office and really good to have like a bronze model like a warrior model next to each other and immediately obviously
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from a painter's perspective you know as a painter that the bronze model has way more put into it yeah yeah
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and the warrior model because of the volumetric highlighting with the airbrush it instantly has that tonal
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tonal gradient in various areas and stuff and but then we have people going oh well is is Warrior higher or is it is
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it's like it's a it's is lower because not as much as unto it yeah yeah yeah
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but then there's the stylistic choice of individual then kind of takes prerequisite and they're like right well
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I I don't really maybe want everything that's highlighted yeah Warrior but yeah work amount of work on the model Warrior
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is definitely definitely lower than Bronze in every way shape and form yeah yeah but stylistically it kind of gives
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someone entering to The Siege experience I suppose if you want to call it anything um a choice between whether they want something more box art style
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or they want something that's a bit more airbrushy and volumetric so it's interesting that it's a lot of the box I'll start on and I really like that and
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I guess there's a lot of people that have grown up with Workshop that that's what they see and they're like I want some of that I wanted to paint that and
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you offer that which is really really good even like the only painting stuff you know the the style that we used to
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do was very much clean crisp using those acrylics um so they could easily like disappear into the background and still
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not Clash too much it's when you start getting like the airbrush ones mixed in so this is one of the things we used to
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have with the Publications if you've got like a citadel Army and you Chuck in a 4 worlds vehicle it's so different because
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it's based very different the paint apps on it are very different and you just it clashes but if that if the Army was all
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done the same then it won't it looked fine but sometimes when you're dropping in random yeah things like that that does have an effect to like the
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photography which is why we used to keep to a very similar wave so it's nice to see those starts and I'm always just
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like look it is model porn really isn't it I've never had anyone describe
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I was like looking through it because for me as a painter I mean I like looking at heavy metal stuff and I would never paint to that level well I mean I
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can do and I want to sometimes but it's time is is a thing and I'm just like I could paint that one character to that
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level or I could paint 50 50 first clone troopers yeah I'm in place yeah you know
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like a couple of Legion games over a weekend and stuff like that so there's that balance but I really like looking
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at nicely painted stuff yeah because it's that aspirational thing it gives you ideas like that's really cool I like what you've done that well I like that
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choice of color it's great but then when you're surrounded in it in a bubble with this every single day it's it's um it's
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it's it's good and also I I wouldn't say bad it's not bad but like it's it's good but it really makes you think oh like I
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said self-checking yourself it's like it's like you know a I wish I could do that or you know has I
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have they done that whatever the blah blah and like it does make you it does breed that competitiveness a little bit
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I think in me because I'm just like right well I I also feel a little bit like and this is something that I that I
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really really I think for me I I I don't ever like being in a position whereby I
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can't I can't walk the path that I expect if that makes sense yeah and I think the thing is is there's lots of
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business owners out there that don't know how the till works or don't know how this is done or how to lay a brick wall or whatever this kind of stuff and
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I and I don't want to ever kind of be in that position because I think it causes a lot of resentment in the company I
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think sometimes I used to talk about this in when I used to do management and I remember someone saying that the best
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boxer isn't taught by the best boxer he's taught by a really good coach so you don't have to be the best at doing
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that skill set thing as long as you can get the best out of them people and if they can see that that's all that's nice
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yeah Mourinho you should be the manager of Chelsea never been a professional footballer in his life yeah yeah he used
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to be the translator for British footballers going whatever it is and
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he's obviously just head football and been stood around because obviously people manage football clubs and can't
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speak the language of the majority of the team so you just hear tactics day in day out day in day out you don't but
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never never been a professional footballer but it's absorbing all of that information isn't it and it's you
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know so it's I get I totally get where you go yeah because I had that kind of feeling a few times when I was managing
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the painters and I'd love like Paul Norton who's like really really good at painting they'll be like natalyn and they both gone after every matter of
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footballs in the specialist design studio and they're painting stuff I could never do but they still respected what I could do absolutely
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um and if I said to him oh you know are you able to do like another 10 of those in the same kind of time you're like I
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think so I mean I'm not sure I'm like well I know I could do that but I can't do it to your level I'm asking can you
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do that in that time to your level and be like um maybe you need an extra couple of days that's fine because I can get an extra couple of days so you have
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that kind of conversation and yeah you squeeze it out but I never felt any point that um and I I I I but I used to
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get this kind of feeling like do they hate me do the thing yeah I know yeah so I'm like you'll see projects come in or
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you'll see specs come in and it's an amazing idea blah blah but it's like for me I I just I don't want to be in a
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position of ignorance to what the expectation is and also at the same time I don't want to expect something of somebody without the ability to have a
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conversation with them and speak to them you know and help them it really it's just about aiding as much as possible the team member and just saying well
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like you know like there was an example the other day about on the team wasn't sure how to magnetize a redempted Dreadnought and I was like right well
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you can do this this option there's this option and I imagine not having that knowledge of how to do it but being a
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position of giving that to somebody and I'm just like I don't I I find it really it almost caused me anxiety yeah to be
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in like a position where I can't help as much as I can or I can't Aid someone that maybe doesn't have that and that's
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that I don't know if it it's a real difficult thing you see stuff come into the studio and you're like holy cow like you know and it's that's amazing how
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they've done that and I'll dive into the recipe I'll have a little read of it just to make sure so I can if that thing comes down the line into 3 6 12 18 24
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months I can at least answer a question with confidence I think is the thing you know yeah definitely remember Paul and
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that were saying that they wanted to do more they wanted to get into heavy metal and they're like how do we do that and I was and and as I suppose as a manager
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just like you know what I don't know I'll find out uh so I had a chat with my boss and I
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said you know is it worth chatting to like every Mountain see if they've got any like projects because they're always behind because they had so much to do
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and you know they probably put a bit too much effort in some things than they should have done so things overran a bit
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so there was always like a few projects that were like putting the back burner and stuff and in the end uh Hannah her
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name is usually the schedule and she manages their painters I said I think she still does she just came with like yeah we've got loads of projects that
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didn't do it and I was like if be like give them to Paul and that and then they get like critiqued and stuff
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and that was their end so I then went I've given you the option now and you now need to go and talk to people that
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know what they're doing to get feedback yeah um and that worked for them and then that's I guess that's how they got their their foot in the door to to have him
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out I couldn't teach them how to paint to heavy metal levels I mean I've sat with heavy metal painters and listened
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to them and it's gone
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not on West and being sat with experts and you know it's not going in
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yes you know I am people are going to roll their eyes I was in the military for 10 years right and I spent a month
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as a um I spent a month as a dog gone on a helicopter in Northern Ireland I got in a helicopter every day and got
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my gear Ready Set my other set the machine gun up and look at these two guys every day for a month virtually I still
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don't understand how you start a helicopter
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yeah they get in and they get in and you can hear the chatter because you're all on the same headset and they go and yep
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and and you just and then you know sometimes you'd go I'll have a go up
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over and you're going well that hand's doing that but the hand's doing so and you just think I don't understand how that works yeah but if you sat in a car
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with somebody for a month I'm supposed to watch one oh that it sounds a bit different and then he did that and it now sounds lower yeah but it's awful
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when you're with it where you watch or you near experts and you just think I'm just tell me yeah so when you sort of
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play a guitar I'm just like yeah but I still don't understand how that
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works yeah it's like when my wife my wife is obsessed with um she really
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loves loves astrophysics right okay and watches loads of stuff about it really into it and um
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I hear them and I just go produce a one the other day she was watching like an hour-long video about
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the explanation understanding of black holes yeah and all the rest of it and I was just you know you need Brian Cox
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he's yeah if I ever won the lottery I would hire Brian Cox and hire a cinema and then
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watch into Stella with him that sucks but you know with the ability to pause it yeah right then Brian
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off you go to your aboard you know it's like oh you know Richard
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Gray you know the paint yeah I love Richard Gray but I never get to the end of it and go oh God I picked up four good tips there I'll just get to the end
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we go that was gorgeous yeah he's a phenomenal phenomenal painter right he's just like he's yeah
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he's been it's not like he's not approachable yeah but you just sit there and go you
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you bend paint around and lighting away that my brain just doesn't comprehend that so I never come away and go write
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down what did Richard say yeah I love him I love his work he's astounded but I don't I don't take
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anything away from me it's like watching Usain Bolt to go he's ran that 100 meters but it doesn't mean I've got I'll
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never give it a crack yeah you feel that I feel because exactly what you're saying about Jose Mourinho a minute ago
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I have no no knowledge or understanding of football or whatsoever and and I know
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the name but I don't know anything about it my brothers tried to explain in the offside world to me several times I
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don't know I'm not I know that but yeah I don't I just like so what so and
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explain it again I don't know it like dies trying to like so if this guy's here and that guy's there and the ball goes
43:19
what you see how you're coming from Liverpool do you understand the upside rule before you can learn to read
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I suppose yeah yeah it's it's in your jeans so I mean with
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um uh Siege as well you offer tuition which is really interesting and you've been doing that a while now uh I think
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physical class is eight years I think yeah um and then online probably about three or four yeah yeah so to actually
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find The Online versus the physical are they because I've obviously started doing some one-to-one tuition it was like super like was that all right did
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they get the money's worth I feel really bad yeah I know exactly what you mean because because thing is one thing that
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became very evident from sort of teaching physical classes is people do learning a whole plethora of different ways and like physical class is great
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for some people that you know I'm very much a visual learner so it's the same as a lot of people and that come on classes and they have to be there next
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to you or sit sit and watch you do each step go away do it come back everyone to learn whereas others you just can
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explain the steps and they'll go got it yeah and so like online works really
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well for those individuals and even with like visual Learners like you can flip the camera you can kind of show your hands and things like that so there is
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there is there is that thing I think YouTube videos are great for a certain amount of learning
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and if you can extrapolate from them the steps to give you the path to create the end result then that's amazing
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um but I think physical physical classes are definitely great for certain people yeah um online tuition is also is also a
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really good medium for people that maybe aren't in the same country that can't come to a physical class or can't come to a class or whatever the case may be
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um you're very right on what you said about making sure the person sort of like is that okay I still get that now
44:58
like I I asked the question so many times have you got that do you understand that it becomes annoying I think sometimes but yeah but I'd rather
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cross-check that many times so that for me I know that person's going away with everything they need to be able to do it
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um it's a real difficult one again you get that the Imposter syndrome you're like okay I've got to help this person and like you know and also ask the right
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questions and prompt the right questions and guide the right way and show the right thing and yeah it's reassurance
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for you as well as them isn't it a little bit Yeah because I think if they if you spent ages saying all of these
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things and it wasn't going in you you'd feel bad if you walked out and walked away from it and they hadn't got what
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they paid for so yeah yeah you know yeah it's for them of going oh yeah I think I have got it or no can you tell me that
45:42
bit again but I was thinking so I'm like that with haircuts it's always like is that what you want is that exactly how
45:47
you want it because if they walked away and they went home they went look at the states of that it wouldn't just be the fact that you know you might never see
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them again I'd be disappointed that they paid for it and it wasn't Yeah Yeah Yeah Bang on with that and yeah I think
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that's the thing is like making sure the person does grow from that session is is the sole most important thing and if you
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I don't mind sometimes like if even if you get to the end of the hour to whatever it is you're spending time with
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them even if they need a five minute recap like just a guy over certain key things I think that even if you go over a little bit just give a little bit more
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I think the value that gives to the person absolutely huge I found most of my one-to-ones I I
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I usually do two hours sometimes there's a guy in the states who's like I can't
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do two hours can I do an hour here and an hour then I was like yeah I don't don't like doing that because it like screws up the uh the type the day
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because yeah I fit people in but I'm absolutely fine to do it from time to time I'm looking to do actually just single slots now and I said I was
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starting the new year but we've just been busy um but yeah I'm I'm come to like 20
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minutes after I'm done going and then there's this thing you can I can show this thing I feel like a Ken Dodd comedy
46:56
show because it just never ends he's renowned for never ending that's right my wife's going that was like an extra half hour they're getting their money's
47:02
worth out of you aren't they I was like yeah I feel bad because you know I've got all this stuff and they've asked a question I don't want to like not answer
47:08
it but yeah I'm awful I should like be a bit more sort of not cut through a bit more laser focused yeah yeah yeah
47:15
I think that I think sometimes in situations like that it's a back give and take I think you know if you've got
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a reoccurring student that's coming back to you loads and loads of lines then of course like you know if it's a put it in
47:25
not hoping not a cruise way but if it's a one and done then literally like you know I would probably Advocate more
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going down the route of just work sticking to the time frame and budgeting in the five minutes at the end into the
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fifth into the hour the fits are given 55 and do a Recon like a credit check at the end um because in that way at least you can
47:44
close off the session basically going right well I've answered all the questions yeah I knew that I could ask yeah they've not found any curveballs
47:50
they've not asked something that's then extended the session but you feel you kind of put in an awkward position where you're like like sorry I don't answer
47:56
that you know and you don't want to end this assessment like that so yeah but I think just a quick five minute reconvene
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is a really good way just to make sure and just say right we've covered this this this this any questions about any of that no tick okay okay anything else
48:08
that you want to ask just quickly before we finish up and then that normally solves it for and you you don't have that kind of a oh yeah
48:15
I like to say well it's Pizza it's Peace of Minds in both directions isn't it yeah yeah yeah so obviously background
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in recruitment yes you've got a huge team there I was actually looking when I was making a a tea for Jeff I was like I'll have a
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quick look to see how many people are on it because I looked there last night and you said you've got about 10 but there's loads of people around us the website is
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not actually accurate oh is it not oh okay but in in the sense of there's way more at the time website yeah so
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um so yeah so wow just for context so uh Joe's markets manager joined in May of
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2019 um and when he turned up to the office he literally he obviously like I like
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what I'm aware of now people have a presumption or expectation of what Siege is ETC but back then even then he
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thought that I had a few people in the office so he turned up on his first day and he got came into into the room he's
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like um where is everyone I went it's just me dude then he went he went what
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it's just me um and uh and then since then we obviously took on a few extra off his
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team but the painting team has steadily grown over the years so we're up to just over 70 team members now wow
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I didn't think you're going to say that number no I was thinking 20 30. it split
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across casino's got different brands so you've got obviously worry team you've got the sage core team you've got the senior team and then you've got Custom
49:35
Service which is another whole another part of the brand um it has its own team so across those four different teams
49:41
within Siege you've got over 70 individuals and then on top of that you've got the office team as well so
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why are you running total uh probably uh mid 70s 80 80 the amount of Total Team
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compliment so there's a question how many painters are they on roughly on average the other Games Workshop uh oh
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that's Corona since I was there it's going to be I've got more of that than that I don't think so I think like there's about 10 10 uh in the One World
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scenery team so the exhibition guys I'd probably say about 10 but then you have some people that work for Ford Road
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sitting in there right so I probably said about 50 50 because last I think I
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thought there was about 20 in the main heavy metal team and then and then yeah that's correct yeah of course I didn't even consider everyone I was thinking
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the Army painting teams no okay because I was talking about the the different brand if I just I thought it had a
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must-have in total more than that stuff it might be the same because there's a lot of work from home
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as well so it's hard so when I was there it was hard to actually put a pinpoint like who still worked for the business
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who didn't because some people would still work from home but they're still employed but then you're not seeing for years those those two or two or three
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I'd say two or three years you're in the Kobe thing it's just crazy yeah say like everything
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like it's just crazy and so to I say this to the guys in the office it feels like they've been with the business way
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longer but in reality it's only three years yeah and it's like it feels like it's been five yeah because that period
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of time because it was so intense and it was very busy and obviously everyone was you know separated and everything it
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feels like time it was like a time everyone feels like the time has just gone so much slower it is weird because
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I feel I was working in warmer TV for longer than I was because I started two weeks after my child was born right uh
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and he's like five and a half I feel like it's seven I feel like I was in one with TV for seven years at least but like it's only five and a half yeah it
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was five and a half okay and um but I'm not there anymore um but it was it was bizarre to think
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that oh it's only five years older than that um but yeah Kobe really did yeah it's it people's it's all right you've
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seen that movie where they did they have Stood Still I think it's that I think that's what happened
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yeah but but this is the thing like so if the growth of sages being has been
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really mental for me like and and it was only in the last year or so where I think what we were talking before we started like I because I live eat sleep
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reader every day and it is literally like it is like my child I don't have kids at the minute and and and
52:08
for me I I see it the same every day which is good and bad like because it's obviously way further on from where I
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started it so my treatment and perception of it needs to be way more suited to where it's at now yes things
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are always I always have to check that I always have to stay in line with that because it's very easy to remember it
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when it was just me in a flat above a chemist or you know before I got the office and before obviously the team were doing all that kind of stuff
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um but now it's like it it is this crazy thing that like if you said to me all
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those years ago this is a flash of where it's going to be a vision of where it's going to be in the future that I'd be like holy crap there's no way yes that's
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just mental you know like and and you know but I think that's Testament to the industry and his Testament to the way
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that the industry is growing I think it's Testament the way that the that what we do as a business is being
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perceived more as an actual proper Professional Service um as well which is what I've been
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trying to fly the flag for many many years um and yeah you know uh it's it's crazy
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yeah he's crazy yeah I mean let's think back to like Workshop I mean that was the same it started off as like guys selling things out of a caravan and now
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look at it it's like a multi-million business that's got signed up deals to like Amazon or whether that whatever
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happen or not we don't know but you know you know the way that and you've got to move from those small business mentalities to larger corporations and I
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know from my experience of being there there's that kind of like you're in that point in the in in the
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road where it's really bumpy because it's like it there's a lot of old small business mentalities clashing with right
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big Corporation mentalities and none seem to like gel particularly well sometimes you get the odd Department that seems to be all right and then
53:43
someone will move into that department they'll be shaking up and everyone's like really unhappy and you know that's probably explains why there's a few
53:49
people jumping ship at the moment because they're not enjoying it or it's just like not what they expected it to be but but yeah it's it's definitely
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that moving from small to big and you've gone through that and yeah you keep on pushing it sounds like you're doing
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great yeah it is really interesting like you know I've seen I've been people we
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obviously recruit for painters and stuff like I I try and just be like well you know it's I don't have to I'm not demean
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it but I just try and basically come across like well you'd treat it as if it was someone who's joining in five six years ago but the reality is is their
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perception at West age is it's very very different to to wear yeah you know it is and um you know and that's that's the
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real interesting thing it's kind of like managing that expectation now on a day-to-day basis and managing that kind of understanding of where we're at you
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know it's it's very interesting and it's hard to live yes how are you doing for Tom by the way with sounds I was going
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to say though again because the questions have bumped right up since we've lost a lot yes I was gonna ask
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some questions yeah I I was gonna see if any of our fans and yeah asked the same questions
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yeah so uh I'll go through all of them guys so I'll try my best but we are uh
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jeffy's on a a bit of a timeline yeah I'm on my lunch break so we've got Richard Rose
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um uh oh no he's just saying people being on the best baby so that's my it's
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gone weird I don't know what's doing this do you want me to go draw me to start no that's fine it keeps saying something went wrong
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uh right so James Tarrant saying does painting at a consistently high level regularly start to feel easier do you
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feel like you only have to push say in like the last 25 on the model for a professional finish or do you still get halfway through the minute before the
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real concentration sets in um a mindset with painting I think is something that I'm I I would Advocate
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that you if you always think like a paint shop is neat as best I can I think you'll maintain that consistent execution as you do it um obviously as a
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model starts to come to life you get kind of like more invested into it and you start seeing the finished result or
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where you see it yeah getting to I think painting high level it's a really interesting saying oh the explanation of
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it but like really painting high level and that's again with this whole caveat of art being art
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um if you approach it in the mindset of need to shop as best I can you'll half
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of the battle is kind of one yeah if you if you get it again I mean and and I think yeah it doesn't get so much
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draining I think that you like any process or like any exercise the more
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times you do it I mean repetition is a mother of success so the more the more that you do it the easier it inherently
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it does become yeah and hopefully the quicker it becomes because you refine how you do it to a way that gets the
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result as quick as possible without sacrificing the quality aspect of it um it can do if there's a model that
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yeah I've been there and you've been I've been painting a model into a to a high standard and you you you're on the
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8 th highlight stage across all the armor and he's got more armor than you could possibly imagine you know and you're just like I've been there I know
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what it is you know but I think if you have something else by the side that you just pick up and like write okay well
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I'm gonna just spend five minutes just snapshop in this or just whatever you know you you're then feeding the
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different part of the of the what you need as a painter yeah it is yeah yeah very much which is why I find it really sad that it's me
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from like when I was saying Workshop light has it's split into 40K and ages I always just like that you talked about
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this before don't you know you enjoyed being able to bounce between yeah because if I was like like if I was doing 40K and like an army for 40K at
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home I might do a bit Lord of the Rings or a bit of podionics and stuff like that and then like the next week will be age of Sigma or Warhammer or whatever so
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you had like a nice bit of a it was always fresh yeah something new it was always scenery as well whereas now it's a very sort of like you must do this
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forever you can still do that within ranges I mean you can still pick up like demons or needs you know and then I know
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there's still science fiction but they're still like or even like other manufacturers games or whatever the case may be you can still pick up stuff that
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is just a little bit different and and it will help with that palette Glens as well yeah so I've got almost a bit of a
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two-part one from Jack bellabe uh do you have any of your painters painting for you in the house in the studio or all the your guys freelance working from
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home would love to have my own commission Studio One day also how much has your price changed since starting
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out uh so there's quite a few bits of that so uh yeah we've got internal team
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and we also have obviously external team like I If all cards like if if we were all in one building Kobe would have
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killed the business yeah because you just you can't be in in in the room so yeah we do have internal team we do have
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obviously external teams so we have different people that work different places um which is quite good for just
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flexibility for different for lots of different things um the other part of it was about uh
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pricing I think yeah so now which has it changed since starting it yeah so when I started obviously I I a gear the name
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Siege are being a certain type of quality level from when I started it I wanted it to be a people the quality
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that people would be very happy to receive and also pay a fairly decent amount of money for um and then obviously look as the
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industry's got bigger bigger and busier and obviously as the team's grown the company's grown and the skill level within the team has grown massively as
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well um then yeah that we we have price increases like any business yeah I treat it like a commercial entity uh we have
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price reviews we check prices to make sure that you know you're not painting 500 scales on a on a skink for for
58:58
something that you can't we obviously review everything just because you have to as a business you know um you know what's your time isn't it as well and
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and yeah exactly uh uh so yeah we we just review review it accordingly and so we can move it depending if needed to so
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yeah that's good uh so we've got um Paul Hopkins and do you get lots of requests for commissions and do you have to be
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selective based on capacity to complete if so how do you choose that's a really good one uh we we did get lots of
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inquiries uh but the the thing we what we do with that is we just we we do all inquiries we quote everything obviously
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we don't want to turn my business I don't think any company would but but there are things obviously that we may
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look at and be like right okay well there's there's a whole press through a different uh different types of Miniatures out there you've got some
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that you know may be the the cast isn't very good or maybe that the print isn't very good or all these kind of things
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like so there are things that we might do and there's this is before we go down the Realms of things that perhaps may not be suitable to be painted for
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various reasons you know like for example something that could be perceived the wrong way or whatever like at the end of the day senior's got a
1:00:02
reputation and we're a business and I don't want to do anything that jeopardize or damage that you know social stickers on Space Marines
1:00:14
so that's it's not the worst but yeah but uh yeah it's not the worst thing
1:00:19
we've been hospital but uh but what's the problem with 3D printers now though yeah there is there is that yeah
1:00:26
um but yeah I think that's that being selective is I wouldn't say we're selective I'd say that we we will paint anything now we're stigmatized as a 40K
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Studio which is as much as it's great because it's a very strong dominant game um lots of the team like bolt action
1:00:38
they like Infinity they like malifo they like you know all these other game systems and Miniatures that are out there you know even like Hero Forge
1:00:44
characters for your D and D yeah or like in the perionics but I think you know different different demographics go to
1:00:50
different mediums to get their models done or I think for example like there are certain companies that have been going for a long time I'm doing
1:00:56
specifically napoleonics exactly as an example like you know and it'd be lovely to paint all those types of models but
1:01:02
we do get asked for a certain certain type of model when a certain game system quite a lot and if that business is
1:01:07
there then obviously that's the that's the core business of the company I mean I'd love to own at some point it will happen I'll make it happen I'd like to
1:01:14
do more stuff that's a bit varied but we get more views with the 40K stuff which is a shame and you know we've got to
1:01:19
grow our business but I'd like to expand them even if it's like a feature here and there so I'll totally get it yeah you've got a business yeah to run and
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you need to make sure it works so uh Andrew Haring is asking the tough questions and I'm I'm all for this how
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does James feel about a nice Brown rim are you a black rim guy or a brand room see when you go into an art gallery
1:01:42
they've all got black frames on normally and and for me uh I like black bass rims
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I the way I do it is this black base rims for display models brown base rims if you if you want into the game yeah
1:01:54
you know um having said that a black bass stream is way easier to touch up if you've been that manhandling it than a
1:02:00
brown bass room because you see that brown base from straight straight yeah and also usually the the plastic is black so when your finger rubs the black
1:02:06
off you don't really know it's been sprayed white before exactly yeah there is that it's not about an observation
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yes you're still not gonna change your mind uh Ashley McDowell what do you think the
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best skill technique to work on uh for to take someone's painting skill to the next level from a beginner so how how
1:02:25
does someone what what what what's the best little technique to work on to to increase your skill set I think pressure
1:02:30
management with the brush is quite important when it's something that we often Overlook um we often get our style do you always
1:02:36
use bigger brushes for this or smaller brushes for this or you know you know if you're painting this part of a model do you use this like depending where place
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of pressure on a brush tip so obviously if you're doing fine fine detail work most like even even size five size six
1:02:48
is when I used to own now it's Opus will be one of the owners like I I you know you I would message be an advocate of like a bigger brush you can still do
1:02:55
lots of stuff with yeah and if it's got a really sharp tip on it you can still do stuff like freehand and all these kind of things so Master impression
1:03:01
management and if you put pressure just specifically on the tip of the brush to draw straight sharp lines or little
1:03:06
residuals all this kind of stuff you've still got a huge brush behind it but the moisture retention that brush head means
1:03:11
the tip will work for longer exactly um being able to to apply the pressure to
1:03:17
the brush head differently to get different shapes different layering the control of the pigment push the pigment in a certain way that kind of stuff that
1:03:23
is a skill which you can get a bit of plastic card and just sit there practicing main moving paint around drawing straight lines with a big brush
1:03:29
and you'll develop such more muscle memory on your hand as a result of that and it transfers directly to layering
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blending freehanding Edge highlighting with a tip rather than the side yeah all that kind of stuff it's a huge thing
1:03:40
that you should Master pressure Management on whatever brush you're using because when you go
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from a big brush down to like a size triple zero if you've mastered the pressure Management on the tip and you can do
1:03:52
really sharp stuff with a big brush this is like a scalpel you know and it helps hugee with yeah you know what that
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obviously when you hear advice from people and you know good painters on all over YouTube as you do I can't remember
1:04:04
last time I heard that but I really really nice one man yeah I couldn't remember last time I had someone saying
1:04:09
that yeah that's good uh what's your favorite Outlet to unwind outside of painting work if and this is from
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whether this so I got my dogs as a distraction from work and then I got super into dog training
1:04:22
so it kind of became like it became a bit of a hobby just doing that and then yeah so my dogs are the the outlet for
1:04:30
me away from from the world of Warhammer and then what their names again well I say they've got away from
1:04:36
Warhammer so I've got a rescue one's a rescue and one's I've had from a puppy so my
1:04:44
doberman said I got from a puppy I called Dante yeah nice and conveniently
1:04:49
the other one is called Rogue so it kind of has a bit of a sneaky Rogue Trader
1:04:55
kind of like going on so yeah yeah it's a good fit honestly it was
1:05:00
purely what sounds great from 40K that I can shout down a park without looking weird
1:05:06
yeah yeah and you start shouting like sunesh
1:05:12
or Zine yeah but no yeah so my dogs are out there from Warhammer for me yes uh L
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Smith saying what's the most expensive commission you've ever had and do any famous people get stuff commissioned by
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you I can't say no I didn't think yeah I can't say anything like that um I won't
1:05:30
deny it or confirm but that gives it leaves it open to interpretation um but yeah commission values again
1:05:37
trying to remain as professional as possible we obviously a premium Studio we are expensive I've never hidden that you know we we do have extremely skilled
1:05:43
painters that work for us High figures are the highest figure is a high figure you know um and it's and it
1:05:49
wasn't just for like one model it was for a big huge Army to a super high level wouldn't you well yeah yeah so
1:05:55
it's yeah it's it's it's it's an honor and a privilege to work on stuff like that yeah yeah absolutely uh this is
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from Eric uh langenbach uh or leg in the back sort of murdered your name do apologize what is the most commonly
1:06:07
requested spec um yeah and it was the other one is do they usually say here's the money so
1:06:12
long as or some kind of praise uh so like we've gone through a phase of
1:06:17
like we follow the meta quite nicely so like when someone when the certain factions in popular we get lots of projects for that like for example the
1:06:23
lion you know has come out so everyone's jumping on the the 20 attacks crazy maniac that is the lion at the minute
1:06:29
yeah you know which is great um but no Jonas but it's a real get a real nice blend of people that just
1:06:35
generally want something for the shelf that they love the character or they love the army or love the faction or people that game with their mates and
1:06:40
really want uh the next addition to their force or something we get a really nice blend I wouldn't say this we've got
1:06:45
we've Custom Service we've gone through a phase where we've done one Tigress the red wake and then the people want loads of tybers red Wags you know so we've had
1:06:51
stuff like that um but um but it does vary you know it does it does really vary from from from month to month or
1:06:57
week to week we get asked for one thing or not be asked for for ages and then all of a sudden you'll get like 1500 of
1:07:03
them come through and people like oh the rules must have changed yeah yeah you know so like you know it's it happens like that but it's great you get loads
1:07:08
of variety which I think is is really good and also a very sort of privileged to have that I get that where there's like suddenly a hair cutting together
1:07:14
yeah what football has gone yeah yeah yeah yeah I'll ask a couple more and then uh um
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uh we've got face and bases a good one I was gonna ask this myself actually uh which is hi James huge fan of the studio
1:07:28
and the quality it produces any tips for ensuring that the minis reached their destination fully intact do you varnish
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your commission yeah so everything's everything's fully varnished like again I always I'm something I really want to
1:07:38
say is like I like whether one thing to take away is correct model etiquette and it's something that I try and and it
1:07:44
sounds really like I don't want to sound like a snob or anything but like if someone's invested loads of time into their models whether they're doing it
1:07:49
for tabletop or whatever like just handle the model by the base Rim like it's so easy to just pick the model up
1:07:55
by the base for him like touching the model whether it's varnished or not is still going to do some kind of damage to the model in some
1:08:00
way shape or form you don't know if there's a pinned weapon or like an arms may be magnetized on and then there aren't walls on the floor so we're
1:08:06
always in in studio we always make sure that models are moved around like media like in in QC and all the different
1:08:12
departments they've always moved down by the base rim or they've moved on the tray et cetera but but yeah just move
1:08:17
the model by the base um and and just look after the model as best as possible a few stuff issues
1:08:22
about with photography and sometimes it was just inevitable things would get knocked off because they were moving to something they'll be like setups are like 400 yeah inevitably someone's going
1:08:30
to end up knocking an arm up or whatever yeah I I don't know about you I find like the Citadel and most of the round
1:08:35
beveled bases are quite hard to grab sometimes I really like the legion ones because they're quite they're sort of
1:08:40
like that yeah yeah they're chunky and I can pick them up better whereas like sometimes I'd like my fingers would slide a bit when you're trying to pick
1:08:47
up like the 20 and 25 mil ones I mean the 25s are quite difficult I think the bigger the base size it is easier to get
1:08:52
absolutely sort of more at chamfered or angled thing but yeah I just move it kind of it's close to the edge but you
1:08:58
have yeah yeah and then yeah yeah it's like yeah you know the thing they used to have when you see any uh control
1:09:04
rooms in second world war yeah yeah
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because you couldn't have like certain things obscuring over so you don't you have like this setup and it was like oh that unit's right in front of that
1:09:25
building perfect uh Robert Brooke he's asked a couple but
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I'm gonna go with this one Slap Chop yay or nay yeah 100 I I I I I don't think that like there's no such thing as a bad
1:09:39
painting technique if there is this is whether it's fit for the purpose or task at hand yeah if you want a game of your
1:09:44
mates and get an Army on the table in like a really short time frame nothing wrong with it whatsoever if you're
1:09:49
entering golden demon or any like painting competition probably not the way to approach it I think it's just choosing the right medium for what you
1:09:56
want to use it for I think as opposed to having some having like any kind of like oh I don't like that um it's very similar to paints as well I
1:10:02
think people will love very quickly label a paint is bad but it's almost like this just take an example like um
1:10:08
you know there could be a green that's quite you know quite thin for example maybe doesn't layer quite well um great for glazing yeah yeah terrible
1:10:14
for blocking in you know like yeah I think it's it's very easy oh that paint's terrible it's not it's just it's
1:10:19
not right for the job find one that is is good for you yeah and I agree I I used to I used to hear a lot of things
1:10:25
about like pallid witch flesh you folks in the studio to call it padded witch chalk because it's quite shocking perfect for dry brushing so good for dry
1:10:32
brush I used to use it all there's a tool for every job exactly yeah yeah but you know I mean I still used it for layering and stuff yeah and the last one
1:10:38
which is quite a good one as well they're all good uh alari alari yeah is there a non-hobby product that the
1:10:44
studio swears but I decided from glues wood filler Etc a product not directly marketing towards miniature hobbyists
1:10:50
that you use extensively throughout the studio um
1:11:06
is a different different product I mean just a good light is is you know whether you're for painting it's you know it's
1:11:12
fundamental um you know I I like the painting nights for reading sometimes you put on the dimmer settings it's just like perfect
1:11:18
vibrancy just to read without straining your eyes um if I was to say a hobby one I'd probably say like a really good
1:11:24
Tupperware yeah um I I'm a huge advocate of a tupperware wet palette I think there's loads of Virtues to it over a
1:11:31
pre-ordained one um uh yeah I think that's a good Tupperware you know you'll be in TK Maxx
1:11:36
Tupperware oil for hours looking fine in the right ones seen in Harry Potter wands
1:11:43
often and paint with or whenever when I I remember someone was selling someone
1:11:49
was selling them that you just went I've got I've ended up with another extra palette and at that point in time I had a homemade one and a boss it was only
1:11:56
like a tenor for the secondhand red grass one and I brought it and I took it to my painting for painting session with
1:12:02
my pal and I almost felt like I had to open it up behind my hands and not let him see because he's like Tupperware all
1:12:08
the way you know if you've done it you know he's like you know he's like Peyton handle yep seven you know 29 26 inch
1:12:16
nails a bit of glue gun on the top bang got a piece of wood today I'm always the guy who always just buys the gadget
1:12:21
because it's just quicker and easier and I was just that I had this painting palette he was like what we got there I was like it was second hand I probably
1:12:28
was like a bad adventure
1:12:34
yeah I do right I think a good Tupperware is is great for for using as
1:12:40
a wet palette I think there's loads of Virtues and benefits to it um you know again if you've got premade one that's fine you know but I think that sometimes
1:12:46
I I like when I'm painting I'd like to have like a quite a large workspace so I can put stuff and mix away from me that
1:12:52
I'm using and and I was Finding on provide smaller ones that like I just it
1:12:57
would just become visually distracting so having a much larger surface that you can just go right I'm going to get this I'm going to put it over here separated
1:13:04
from everything else do whatever experiment it is I'm doing with to get a certain tone or color okay or whatever you see how the paint if I get a new
1:13:10
paint I'll always go right okay well I'll just put a bit of that on the palette and then away from everything see how it dilutes see how it could get
1:13:16
to a consistency where I can layer smoothly with it and do like that but having a much reduced size it just I
1:13:22
find it quite cool yeah I've been finding that actually yeah because I've got an army painter one I've been using that a lot weirdly my mate Steve gave it
1:13:28
me and then we got sent a couple so I've been using them but I sometimes think I could do a bit more space
1:13:34
a big working area whether you're neat or whether you're messy on the palette and how you place stuff down or whatever
1:13:40
that's fine it's part of the creative process anyway um but just having having enough room and scope to be able to go I want to
1:13:46
remove that from everything so it's visually when you're looking at colors and all this stuff all the time like having a nice an area or a decent size
1:13:52
area that you can just remove something away and go like right okay I'm just going to try that there it just helps visually separate yourself from it which
1:13:59
I find so I've got one question yeah before we obviously oh yeah we're okay
1:14:07
so I I was interested by by commission pain way before um I left the studio now I was thinking
1:14:14
well can I can I do that if someone's out there watching this now when it's aired how would someone go
1:14:20
about getting into working for Siege Studios right uh no no it's fine
1:14:26
definitely it's perfect it's not a problem I'm glad that I'm more than happy to answer it um so I I don't treat uh recruitment for the company any
1:14:33
different from recruitment when I was recruiting for a mechanical engineer or any of these things like because I do because you do to it as a trade and we
1:14:39
do look for skills and tangible ability and that kind of stuff um people should ask a question why do I have to send CV when when I when I apply
1:14:45
for it because whether it's a freelance thing whether it's part-time whether it's full-time whether it's like you're still applying for a job yeah and you
1:14:52
wouldn't apply for any other job and not apply a CV it's not that it's tangible there are things that as much as
1:14:57
physical painting ability is really important um the person behind the brush is just as important as anything else and that
1:15:04
that is in any industry right you know so it doesn't that doesn't kind of stop at the door when it enters the Realms of commission painting so I'll always ask
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for a CV a portfolio is obvious you know because we want to see that you can paint a whole host of different things
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gonna have to paint Space Marines and you get to paint lots of things that you know are very very popular however um just seeing all the different things
1:15:22
if you do paint Infinity if you do paint malafite if you do paintball action you still want to see that like I think we've had a lot of people that have
1:15:28
applied in the past that think that they've just got to send us 40K because they see that all we post is a lot what we post a lot of is 40k yeah I'd rather
1:15:34
you send me loads of stuff because then from that we can digest it down and go oh I can see that they can do freehanded
1:15:39
kilts on those Warriors you know I can see they've got the ability to that that's really helpful um and then just a bio about yourself
1:15:46
like you know just more about your painting background how you got into it you know uh what things interest you do
1:15:52
you hate painting The Horde armies like are you more like the more stuff about you we can find out that in the initial
1:15:59
point and that just just email that into info seedstudios.com UK um go through like a phone call where we
1:16:06
talk about your experience or the CV you can see and again I touch upon it again CV is really important because it you
1:16:11
know being Frank from our recruitment times if you jump in from job to job to job to job to job that does show
1:16:17
something you know and and it's important to see that that kind of dedication to something like in any job
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you know because if you I don't want being frank I don't want someone that's going to take a project on and then
1:16:28
capitulate a week into doing it you know yeah and we try and be as black and white from the day one like you know you
1:16:33
are gonna have to paint stuff but quite frankly you don't like the color scheme you might not like the choices by the
1:16:39
client you might not this but then off you've got to paint that as well as that I'm going to use what I'm biased towards
1:16:44
but you've got to paint that as as well as the blood Angel Army that you never want to give back at the end of the day yeah you know it's it's very very much
1:16:50
they have to be the same as in the uh the execution you know don't get me wrong I understand and I've been there
1:16:56
in the early days when it was just me you get those projects where you're like thank God that one's done you know I get
1:17:01
that totally you know I get that but because we treat it the way do you can't look at it and be like oh well I'm not
1:17:08
going to do as good a job on that one because yeah whatever the case may be you know and so yeah that that's essentially I mean I I am not a fan of
1:17:15
painting Stone bone and green skin and I have to do a savage or comment and it was a huge Army and I hate it but it needed to be done because it was working
1:17:21
I had to put the passion into it and you find your ways and stick your favorite music on or whatever but the the green
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skin was treated like anything else you know I give it the same level so I totally get that yeah
1:17:31
um the thing it sounds very similar to what we used to do when we recruited was we never looked at the Miniatures first
1:17:37
we always looked at the cover letter yeah and workshop always expected that was like look at the cover letter get an idea of the person's personality
1:17:44
make a short list of them then start looking at the the paint jobs yeah because you can be the best paint in the
1:17:50
world but you can be a massive charity and you don't want those in the studio or you could be someone that needs a bit
1:17:56
of skill but really nice and really open to development and like feedback and stuff like it's like you know what you these are skills we can teach you I've
1:18:02
got the right attitude yeah um and that some people always like baffled like how did that person get a
1:18:07
job over me because they weren't character yeah I'm sorry I'm not saying that the matter of people out there
1:18:14
totally it's that it's that level of like you I mean we had all sorts of like folks there was a guy who still makes me
1:18:20
laugh to this day when I was uh recruiting photographers um there was some really people knew
1:18:25
what they were what was aimed at there was one guy who just entered for the job a couple hours on so uh I don't know
1:18:32
much about photography um we may uh I I got my iPhone out and filmed his wedding for him one day to be
1:18:37
honest I've never looked at your products they all look a bit weird anyway but you know I thought you know I'll drop in my CV and a couple letter
1:18:43
for consideration I was like nope but I really like your honesty that's like the most honest cover letter
1:18:50
ever I don't don't really do much damn much about photography your products but hey give us a job that's not what to put
1:18:55
in your cover letter but I I couldn't get what you're saying
1:19:01
yeah like it it is really important and but again I think that ties really nicely back to the fact that the way the industry is still perceived a little bit
1:19:08
you know it that it is a little bit more less than than a professional thing you know and again if you're doing it with a
1:19:14
couple of mates that's fine you know it's not a problem at all whatsoever but I think when you try and do it seriously
1:19:19
you have to take all aspects of it in that in in that manner you know um because it is it does affect everything
1:19:25
else if you do one part of it if you don't give it the same the same way of Burden that's something
1:19:32
else I think that it does it does affect it you know which is which is the thing but yeah we're always we're always
1:19:38
recruiting I I had I had someone who found the office before it was before anyone um worked in office was me I had
1:19:44
someone who'd done a paper round in in the way we are and um they obviously went to Warhammer and and they they they
1:19:50
they literally knocked on the door and when I was just see to GEOS because I had like the logo on the Bell or whatever and I went oh no like in the
1:19:57
pilgrimage just started yeah yeah I have to take that off the Bell now um um and the kid was like right I really
1:20:05
want to paint for the company I really really want to paint the company and they were very young obviously doing paper around and I was like well number
1:20:10
one you have to be 18. you know there's a thing but he's like can I just paint the model one night just get some feedback or whatever I was like yeah
1:20:16
look you know um he brought a couple models by I sat down with him and went like here here's
1:20:22
a pad right uh factual opinionated so I went through factual feedback which is
1:20:27
obviously things that are incorrect with the model or like there's a sprue still attached to the model blah blah
1:20:33
um and opinionated and then explained obviously the difference between the two so I think that's one of the things with feedback like sometimes when you do get
1:20:38
feedback you it gets bombarded at you in a way that you can't digest it because
1:20:43
it's getting hammered at you like you can't like so if you say right here's here's the factual things this is this but if I were painting it I would have
1:20:50
done this you've done this I would have done this you've done this and I think that helps massively with improving somebody yeah
1:20:56
um so I've done that with him gave him from stores another it was a Farsi you know the one with a handouts yes I gave
1:21:02
him another one went right all the factual stuff improve that and consider the
1:21:07
opinionated and here's a color wheel yeah um he bought the model back a couple
1:21:12
weeks later the difference between that one to that one that's just right yeah and then same again fresh page in your
1:21:19
pad in fact your opinionated yeah that's the interesting thing is like
1:21:24
giving feedback is actually quite difficult it is yeah yeah and and we see it a lot on channels and like on
1:21:29
Instagram like some people just post stuff because I want to post it but then there's people out there that feel that book because they posted it I can say what I want about it yeah it's like if
1:21:36
they've asked for it then fair enough but there's also a way of delivering it um and I always try and it's never
1:21:42
really a poop sandwich but I try to give the things I see that aren't that need
1:21:48
work like you do so I never really thought about it as the factor in the opinionator I just see like this is the stuff I've seen yeah and these are the
1:21:54
solutions I I would look at trying to tweak that or fix it it's your choice you don't have to understand these are
1:22:00
the things that I would do if it was me to increase that or these are the things you should like consider or look at or try
1:22:06
um and there's people out there that just go that's a rubbish model yeah why what is it that you've seen that makes
1:22:13
it rubbish yeah explain what that is and help that person Yeah by as opposed to
1:22:19
just being because it is just being mean right yeah or just like they're they're not able to articulate what they're
1:22:24
trying to say they just I don't like that I'm gonna message I don't like that okay that's cool but why
1:22:31
like if you put something up on on socials or whatever like you know it doesn't give someone the authority to
1:22:38
just trounce it or you know or throw their opinion on on it like if you if
1:22:43
you genuinely put a post in a group or on a platform and go look I really want to improve yeah can you I I don't mind
1:22:49
you're not gonna offend me blah blah all this kind of stuff like you know if you do that and you you're willing and open
1:22:54
to accepting stuff then be prepared to receive that in various different mediums you you're gonna get it from people in all different angles and some
1:23:00
stuff could be written in a way that potentially could be but just if you're putting something up and you don't put that doesn't give the Authority for
1:23:07
somebody to do that yeah but I think I think sometimes that lion is stepped over a little bit you know too much
1:23:12
sometimes um and really when you put stuff online you should be aware of asking do I want
1:23:19
people to be swaying me because yeah or do I just want to say here's a really cool model I painted yeah hope you like
1:23:25
it that's not an invitation for someone yeah yeah yeah your base room's got loads of sand stuff like that that
1:23:30
doesn't matter maybe he wants it yeah yeah so like you know but um I mean I'll be doing that soon with some airbrush
1:23:36
and stuff because I'm very used to it mainly from undercoating uh Workshop um and I've got an airbrush now and uh
1:23:43
compression stuff so I'm like get my head around it first of all just like the bare mechanics but I'm gonna like
1:23:49
start painting this and stuff and go no I'm new to airbrushing feedback please and it'll be like give up
1:23:54
[Laughter] it is a huge Everest I think a lot of
1:24:00
people are worried about but it but it's it's you know it's the same thing like we always get the question now what what
1:24:05
what's better brush or airbrush I'm like well they're different tools would you paint a wall with it with a with a little brush no so you just use it yeah
1:24:14
you know or to do your transitions like with the warrior stuff that's like a really nice way of looking at this like you know you you get those sort of
1:24:20
xenthal highlights and and whatever and it's it's it's kind of like it is through volume isn't it yeah you're literally do loads in one go you're
1:24:26
doing a bit of a burst bit of a glaze yeah I brush your Edge harder and that's I mean even even like the box art style
1:24:32
stuff like you you put that main color on like it would be silly to do it with a brush and if you're trying it
1:24:38
especially when you're trying to do it you know in a way that's time efficient without sacrificing quality you would be
1:24:44
matched it with a brush like using an airbrush to get your ultramarine blue or cowgirl blue or whatever it is you're
1:24:49
painting the models in like to get that on with the airbrush it that does 10 of work on the overall 100 of the miniature
1:24:56
but that 10 is done to a standard that when everything you apply on top of it complements and benefits the quality of
1:25:01
that first 10 yeah you know um and and I think that's the way to to look it really like you'll never you're not
1:25:07
gonna I mean anchor was pretty good with an airbrush just to be honest yeah I think everyone knows that right I've seen him with the 1.5 needle that he
1:25:13
uses I've seen him do stuff that I could never dream of doing you know like you know but but apart from ankle who's
1:25:19
gifted by the gods um like uh you wouldn't paint eyes on a model with an airbrush you know um or
1:25:25
you wouldn't do certain things with it but it's phenomenal for not with that actually no I don't know [Laughter]
1:25:33
well I don't know we're going to draw soon you've sent us some stuff which is called you want blue black or or move
1:25:39
but um oh can I have blue please
1:25:44
thank you very much I know the timing of the Year isn't
1:25:49
convenient I actually I could look cool and then he
1:25:54
can go all like Wolverine Commando well I was like t-shirts yeah I was thinking made shift on a
1:26:01
trawler personally with a speed but you know oh yeah it's like Henry Cavill in the early part of Man of Steel that's
1:26:07
what I'm getting from you right here that's exactly what gets said about me all the time you've got quite a bit of match then yeah we do yeah absolutely
1:26:14
I obviously from my band days I used to do merch all the time when I was in bands and and like I just I think it's a
1:26:20
nice thing to to have as part of the business it's just again the t-shirts have always been something I've been a big fan of and and yeah various sizes
1:26:26
for us as well it's very kind of yeah I didn't know I did I did mess it I didn't know he dropped me a message while I was dropping my kid off and then coming into
1:26:32
work and I didn't see it and I feel really bad absolutely said my jumper to be fair that's fine
1:26:37
it'll be a good look Mr Speaker me watch this again you're an
1:26:43
idiot yeah you're still free for that photo shoot aren't you yeah yeah yeah yeah that's the calendar yeah they're
1:26:49
just wearing your merch and nothing else just the hat and the T-shirt okay I did not ask for that
1:26:56
I would check my message I feel like a skateboarding now
1:27:01
I'm gonna go to the skatepark I'll see you later guys this is great I've just ruined my hat uh sometimes I get like my
1:27:07
wife says like a Dustbin man because I've got one of these at home and I put it on she's like take that off in like a Dustbin so oh that's good lovely thank
1:27:14
you very much thank you very much I mean if there's
1:27:20
any any other burning things you want to to get off your chest no I I didn't want to use it as a like a crazy platform for
1:27:26
me to say no no no special announcements yeah don't find that yeah that's fine no
1:27:32
but um but no yeah just thank you very much for having me I think the show you're doing is amazing like it's really good I think I mean that sincerely like
1:27:37
the podcast format you're doing is really really good if you had some phenomenal guests on you know we were talking about a few before obviously
1:27:43
we've done but yeah you had some you had some phenomenal guests on it it's just really good to to see another medium for the community to kind of uh engage with
1:27:49
people and and find out more about different people and channels and individuals I think it's a really good way of doing it so um so yeah you're
1:27:55
doing a great thing so keep doing it yeah it's nice actually the the background of folks that's what I'm all
1:28:00
about it's like how you know everyone's Journey there's a lot of similar Journeys interestingly but it's you know like how you get into doing this kind of
1:28:06
things so getting you on the show has been great and you know for me just understanding like it is you're right I
1:28:12
never would have considered it but it is a trade it is yeah and you should be seen as that and it should be respected for that as well so yeah and I think and
1:28:18
I mean that like it doesn't have to be like the commercial like end that we're at it could be just someone who works
1:28:24
from home you know that that also as well we I don't think just because they work from home or just because they're
1:28:30
an individual like you still have individual plumbers that go and do stuff I don't think that's that's the same as
1:28:35
yourself obviously but what you do you know um so yeah well uh if you too want to
1:28:41
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