What the most "Cheaty" way to Paint Miniatures?

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hello I'm I'm Jeff I just you always get to go first I've been here a while now and I wanted
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to [Music] go you're ruining me
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life hi I'm Ross and I'm Patrick there we go oh it's only the dog
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gets to be herself apparently yes she's down there somewhere she might turn up later right what are we doing today cuz
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um I'm I'm in a rush you are and I am in a rush you both have children to pick up from school I am enjoying that childfree
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lifestyle uh currently I love my kids but I envy your everything a thanks pabe
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um so as people may have been able to glean from the title um you know after we did our sort of Space Marine era
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ranking um I thought you know well I've been doing quite a bit of airbrushing recently and to me yeah I want to
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preface this by saying no technique is cheating when it comes to painting miniatures no but a lot of techniques if
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you you know the effort versus outcome feel a bit cheaty like me using an
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airbrush I'm like if I tried to do those blends with a brush I've be nowhere near
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so I use an airbrush and I'm like oh it feels a bit naughty some techniques feel damn right illegal so um we're gonna
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we're gonna go through some uh I think we all have the list on our phones now we're going to go through
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a list of techniques and products that feel you know what and we'll we'll we'll rank them in how cheaty they feel cool
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how illegal they feel yes exactly are we doing this in like you know the typical YouTube fashion of are you going to have
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like s tier a tier I'll see if I can make the graph maybe there's like an editable version somewhere that would be
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great if if not if not just imagine one with us imagine a rainbow colored graph
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I'll do something I'll do I'll do something so what have we got instead of ss and well so so the the the sort of
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traditional the traditional meme ranking system uh is s TI is the best and then
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goes AB B CDE e f so uh we start at
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should should be damn right illegal uh community service this is for
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how cheaty it is right okay so community service you've avoided jail time um but
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you have to go and clean up some graffiti somewhere uh final written warning chat with HR grounded by your
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parents or legal guardian uh a slap on the wrist and then for the least cheaty
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feeling things available in your miniature painting Arsenal is LW Abiding Citizen right okay yeah so so the the f
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is actually the I don't want to say the good one the hardest thing to
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achieve yeah you're you're doing something that's really time consuming y
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really difficult to get your end results whereas I think um we won't grade slap
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trop just yet but that would be very quick and get good walk 200 meters out
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of your way just to use the zebra Crossing as suppose you're just running across the road yes yeah yeah yeah
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that's it fair enough yeah okay right walking 10 MERS in the wrong direction to pick up a crisp packet to go put it
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in the bin that's also yeah yeah that's it yeah what are we going to remember that ol guys cuz we're about to compare
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some uh painting techniques to it so we've got we haven't made the show complicated in the SL yeah so we've got
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some painting painting techniques um and and we've got some products as well we going are we going to do like this is
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what we're going to cover up front or should we just leave it no no we're just going to we're just going to dive straight in I think all right let's cool
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so I think we should start with dry brushing okay good oh so I love it yeah
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I think we all love dry brushing yeah well I think the problem being is dry brushing is great but also we are all
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slightly skewed because we are all friends with and have worked for Byron Byron you say that king of dry brush I
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don't actually like him I'm not his friend so that's that's that's easy for me yeah but I still like the technique
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nowadays he's a good guy so my yeah dry brushing I feel like is an incredibly versatile painting technique so I mean
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obviously watching watching Byron's videos is has helped with that don't know Byron at T soap video sorry of dry
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brushing yeah I'll I'll insert a clip of him doing something shops he owns all
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the brushes he owns all the skills yeah him so you can put base coats on with a
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dry brush add a little bit of water get your smooth base coats that's brilliant you can do all your highlights with the dry brush you can do blends you can do
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stippling it is an incredibly versatile technique and you know when I first
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started painting Miniatures I feel like it was something that was kind of like almost looked down on like like
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competition painters talk about it quite oh you could even Dy rush in Golden demon if you wanted to yeah um it it's
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but it for uh I don't know like someone sort of My
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Level beginners people way more advanced I feel like you can get really really incredible stuff it I think I remember
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when dry dry when dry brushing was a thing the first time I was in The Hobby it was chalky it was a bit you could see
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all the brush Strokes it was a bit you know sometimes people use that on purpose for things like tanks and especially for uh scenery and it felt
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like the thing you did when you were in a hurry okay that to get you by thing
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you know I remember the fer of early 2000s when a guy won uh 40K Squad in a
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golden demon because he was local to my area in Liverpool and he space Wolf Marine is space Wolf Marines were all
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dry brushed and people were like he won a golden demon I don't know what grade of demon he was his name Byron no it
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wasn't though he won a golden demon and they were dry brushed and it was seemed like a a real but I think the skill sets
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with regards to again non and Byron but knowing that you add a little bit of moisture to it now and you you don't do
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it on tissue paper you do it on something like wood or some people use
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um glass or whatever yeah but it's now becom an almost like sub airbrushing isn't it when people have got the skill
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set like cuz Ross can nail it massively um thanks man um you you know it now
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looks like some of the times if you were to show them to people who went you know didn't have the sharpest of eye when how
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do you think they've been done you know that's probably been an airbrush and I think it's definitely become a different thing to what it was like rather years
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ago get the paint off yeah with on some tissue and like you said one point in time you'd never dream of painting ruins
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any other way than just dry brushing them and if they look scratchy and rough that was fine cuz he would a half destroyed building yeah exactly you just
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go well that dry brush not do for that but now dry brsh has proven that you kind of suspend your belief to
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imagination don't you you kind of go to like yeah those scratch it's fine those scratches are natural but it's like when
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I when I first started painting and I got good for an 11year old kid against
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all his mates in the school yard like they were like wow how do you get all that detail and mine it it's kind of an extension of dry brush it's over
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brushing which is the same thing but instead of a big fat dry brush you've got like a normal brush and you just
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drag the paint off and then you basically use that normal brush to more selectively dry brush but now obviously
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there's been the extension of dry brushing that you can just do it that classic way and and dry brush everything
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or you can get like you say those airbrush style Blends but I don't think it steps beyond the when you look at it
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you you it goes to dry brush you've still got to push that little bit extra
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and I think again name dropping Byron um that's what that's what Byron does but
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prior to Byron I don't know what happened to him there was a guy called Bohan who used to use a lot of these
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techniques and I remember it was around the time of when the nurgle guys came out dark Imperium and he did those style
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of techniques really push them into like some of the nurgle what's it's not a tank it's like the track thing with like
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the Drone but on Wheels oh yeah you know what I mean yeah no the
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crawler crawler yeah um these things and it was incredible like the colors you use the blend so it it's definitely I
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would say for the absolute beginner it's a really great massively accessible
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technique but God you can push that to some degree you can really push it I think like as we've talked about I think
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the general theme is like oh dry brushing isn't just X anymore no there's
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whole other levels of it which obviously require a lot of practice so grade wise
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I think it's got to be it can't be it can't feel illegal cuz you got to put the time in well I'll just say one last
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thing for it it reassessed when I got again feel like I is trying not to make this sound like an AO Super S when I got
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my first set of dry brushes and there was some very small brushes in it i' been doing Space Marine shoulder pads
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that were green and I've been glazing to create um you know a directional light
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on the top of the shoulder pads yeah and I was glazing the life out of them and sometimes I wouldn't quite nail it and I was have to go back and start again and
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then I just remember sitting there and looked at the dry brush and went them ones are really small and just dropped
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glazing and just moved into dry brush and to end up with exactly the same effect you can blend it out as well yeah
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so like it's more of a like stily smooshy thing but I don't think they um I don't think they feel like no top end
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cheating cuz you've still got to put a bit of re time in and uh and get get good I mean for for impressive at the
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end of the day what are you after you're after a goodlooking Army on the tabletop I would honestly say middle of the road
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for this one think it's like a chat with HR I think it's a chat with HR yeah just like a that's not that's you're not
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going to get to elite elite with that but bloody hell it's like yeah it's impressive yes yeah I with that
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excellent um panel liner panel liner or panel
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lining oh so I think think panel liner the specific product the one made by Tam
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or AK that s cuz panel lining by hand I ain't got time for
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that um again that was something that bohun who I I mentioned a minute ago was
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incredible at that like he was like he would dry brush everything and then go in all the recesses with just a black
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and one brush and like I think if you if you're panel lining I think that's like Law Abiding
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Citizen yeah um oh absolutely if you're nailing it if you use traditional brush techniques of just brush and paint yeah
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with good control I think yeah that's very much anything about so panel liner as in so panel ler is in the products or
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just watch your wheel on my cable um yes so there we go uh where is Ross there he
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is Tada so this is panel it comes in the same bottle as like Tamia thin cement
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that kind of stuff and you have a little brush you've used this quite extensively I use it quite a
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lot and the reason I do is because I paint a lot of uh lead Bel sprayed Marines and the good thing is when
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you're using a metallic primer it the panel liner behaves on the miniature as
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though you've already glossed it right yeah yeah okay yeah so it runs around where I wanted to go quite quite well
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yes you are we've talked about this C off cam yes it's sometimes over spill and leaves a bit of a stain sometimes I
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tidy it up but a lot of the time when I do uh my sons Marines I'm doing them a bit Rough and Ready battle damaged um
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covered in covered in dirt and dust from the Mars likee landscape they're on a lot of the time I can get away with leaving it but I think if you're using
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deep recesses on things like land Raiders rhinos anything where you you've got quite pronounced recess because of
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the size of the vehicle I think panel L is great because if you think about it it's life started with being used for um
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military modeling like airplane WIS with all of the panels that make up more of them so if you're using it with vehicles
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more successful than if using it with characters works better for everything if you've made sure you've gloss the miniature or you're using a miniature
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that's been sprayed with a metallic yeah probably I've never really ever used the brown one but probably
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quite good if you Marine if you paint if you're doing Marines like uh the minors who are gold or yellows it's good on
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yellows as well yeah so so my experiences with it uh I've painted some
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Deathwing and I was like you know what I'm going to give panal AO I had to gloss every everything yeah um which I
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was kind of going to well I was going to do anyway cuz I was like oil wash panel liner I'll have a go with panel liner so
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I Ed the dark brown on the Deathwing and it looks really good um I think it's the
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most satisfying thing and this is why it feels really cheat for me is when you you tap it on and it defies gravity and
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just shoots um that's kind of like for me that moment is this should be illegal
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yeah yeah but it's all the ancillary stuff around it so you got to glossy Miniatures unless you you do spr spray
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the metallic I had to go in with every miniature of of my Deathwing and do it
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twice yeah um cuz I found quite a lot I don't know what I'm doing wrong probably
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using too much Hazard a guess is I put it on and and when it goes in and it's
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it's wet it looks awesome but then I'll come back to it and I'll
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be like where on Earth did this go and then it's just spilled everywhere and then I've got to spend so much time
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cleaning it up and then going in again and then when I went in a second time it
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then doesn't run as EAS it's almost like it's created its own channel it own friction yeah so you've
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lost that glossiness you know I'm loving about the idea this epis is that I know we'll get loads of people telling us where we're going wrong I'm
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[Music] I'm ring on the viewers to improve not just us this is the thing like we could cover these again once we've got all the
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feedback this is now content for the next two years like regrading our cheaty paint
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list now now that now that we actually know how to do seven yeah but no the um
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I I agree like pel liner I've I've tried to use and again if you don't so I've found if you don't gloss with it and
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especially if you airbrush you get that like air brushing to me still does
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create like almost a matte texture just through the process so when you panel line it doesn't follow the panel line
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smoothly if you haven't glossed it'll then bleed out even more and the cleanup
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is well you use alcohol to clean it spirits and that also softens your paints which if you've airbrush them
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will take off the top layer of paint just as fast as the uh airbrush cleaner but again once I've glossed them I've
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found just like you that you pop it in one place it spills but not only does it like where's it gone it's disappeared
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it's sort of pulled due to gravity and one thing and I don't want to oh panel Line's easy dab hold it there for the
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next 20 minutes while it dries yeah so I don't feel like it adds as much as I think it you know what I do like about
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panel liner though is that it's so thin that if you if you've put it in and you've ballsed it um especially if the
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thing you're working on is gloss or gloss like or really quick and you can literally blow it out of the miniature
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oh right ni yeah you can literally blow it straight out of the miniature I I use my airbrush like nearby oh crap like
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that it can spot some places and stuff like that but tiny little tiny little specs are a lot less yeah and well you
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know well because it's an an an armal just a tiny little uh bit of um uh spirit just we'll just where um where I
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I really uh don't uh get on with it though is yeah when you get it into those recesses and it follows them and
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it's pulled and then you're just completely stuck at that point like you're not adding any value to the
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process of panel lining so I think it's it's a good technique there's a trick to
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it but the place where I find it useful is um I'm going to name drop gunpla again cuz I'll be into that two things
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one um one of you I hope you're watching commented on our recent video the ukge video and said oh you need to build this
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kit it's amazing and I can't find that comment but I did quickly Google the kit and it was amazing and now I can't
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remember what it is and I lost my window that I had open so please if you told me tell me the best gun plet ever down in
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the comments cuz I want more but because of them because it's bare plastic yeah when you drop it in those recesses it
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just runs now some of them they've even got scribing tools cuz as you said rescribing it really helps um but again
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CU it's bare plastic when you get your alcohol or your spirits to clean it off the edge it doesn't then pull the paint
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off cuz the paint below it's bare plastic so um it's really good so it's got its it's definitely got its uses
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it really should be highly illegal but it comes with enough either a logistics
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or flaws that it pulls it in miniature painting it gets pulled down like there's yeah like I say for for
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me applying it it feels like I shouldn't be able to do something that naughty and
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get away with it but all of the stuff around it pulls it down for me yeah
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where does it pull it down to because it should I think be community service but I think I'm worried that it might be um
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with the amount of half Arness that comes with it at times it might be grounded by your parents I'm I'm
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thinking more grounded by grounded by your parents as well oh well there we go there go yeah it's very it it's like a
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it's a good cheaty technique but you there there is nuances to it that you
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need you need to learn yes def yeah you can't just go oh panel brilliant and
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then get incredible res I'm sure someone has um and I am tell us where we're
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wrong tell us where we're wrong desperately please tell us where we're wrong I'd be I'd love to hear it yeah yeah should we do dirty down rust next
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dir dirty down rust love it gone of the days where you have to manually paint your rust if you
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don't want to you have a a talent in a bottle solution uh that's water soluble
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you can rejig it there's a bunch of different methods now of of using it but
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I feel like it's been used in in the community that you kind of like everyone generally knows get hair dryer on it
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yeah warm good results um warm it up apply more water I'm a huge fan you can
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thin it down um you can get all these cool Bubbles and the texture and the look like it just looks like and even
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now the fact that you can even Nuance it by the fact that a you could water it down to get the level of rust you want
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but even now dirty down do a yellow rust as well so you can Nuance you can mix them as well you can Nuance to your
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heart content now yeah um I I really love it especially uh that into the dark
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scenery yeah it was from Kil team was just screaming for dirty down rust it
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was a marriage made in heaven um I think it's great I think as well if you ballsy
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because I've got to be honest what I do is I heat the bottle yeah um put it on the scenery and then I put that hair
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dryer as Clos as to it as I dare with a with the with the little funnel on the front so I pull it on as close as a
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dayare so I think if I leave this anymore I'm going to start melting the scenery and pull it away and it will really go to town but the nice thing is
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you can put it on week and just have a mild rust effect with it I really like it I was always a fan of normal rust
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painting because being a death death guard player moreing Brown yeah bit of Rise of rust in the oranges and that how
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many paints would you need for that oh for me I when I used to yeah oh easy at least three I would say for a good
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variety Brown all of them you know the brown oranges right yeah but um but I I really
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like it but you can get a really [ __ ] bottle
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sometimes where it is literally yeah where it's like glue in a bottle yeah
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that's a known so that is a known yeah that's what I'm being that's what I'm saying I've had two bottles I had one was a dream and another the other bottle
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of that I I had me did you get a back of a brush in and mix of it because that a
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small Victorian Chimney Sweep down there and make gowhere cuz it does it does clag up in
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the B oh yeah yeah just just through sitting there and they all come with agitators so you have to what what does
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Bob Ross say like shake the devil out of it yeah yeah do that again no um the one that I had that was really
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bad it was about a week before I found there was a ball in it right okay oh my word you just have
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to really really really go to town but when you get a good one I think in the into dark scenery that uh like pachy
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painted um we went back and did a little bit of it and it wasn't working in the
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same way and then it was just like does this even have agitator in no it doesn't
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and then you shake it and shake it shake it and then it does and then you're like all right so I use um I'm using the Moss
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a lot at the moment cuz I put um cork chippens on the base of my um crout yeah
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and then I just cover it in Moss and then it it and then I don't even have to say what it is it's is it covered in is
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it Stones covered in Moss is it just Moss whatever I just leave it for Al
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yeah left people looking at I figure it out for themselves but that Moss is currently at the moment on my workstation upside down yeah just I'm
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having to yeah you know when you get home just just get the back of an old brush and mix it until it's smooth like
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this is one thing because we've used it um again I went with Byron and uh Pete the war gameer we went on a training
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course and and like as a thing and and showed people how to use like different techniques and we brought in the dirty
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down the Moss the verdigre the rust um and we said like first is you need to shake it shake it shake it I did a um
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little skit in my video where I'm sat there shaking it while looking at pictures of models um funny little skit
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watch it but the um but on once we did it it was literally back of the brush in and do it because you need to all that
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crud is the golden stuff that makes it work so you've got to mix that but I love everything about it I love the
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working time I love the four different colors I think the the yellow rust is like you've got to use it sparingly on
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an edge like you've got to be more controlled with that I've never used that oh yeah it's it's it's a bit the
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others are a bit more overpowering so I think it's better to mix in and give you more variety but it's still I don't I
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think because of the level of research you have to put into it I don't think it hits the hey height up top of the
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cheating pile I think it's community service I think so yeah it's it's definitely all the equalent of a tier
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isn't it it's like it's 100% cheating if you want easy rust cuz I once met the guy prior to this there was a guy who
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had a guide online um who basically took like steel wool and mixed it with some
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chemicals in a bottle and used that and created rust paint because but when
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you're doing it but apparently like that's quite you know it could be quite toxic cuz it's the reactions giving off gases but that's painting with real rust
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that then in the air oxidizes further and I think and I'm not recommending anyone do this so don't try it but I'm
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sure it's like vinegar and steel wool or something like that which is insane thanks for focusing on me when I'm
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saying don't ever do this could kill you um but yeah so don't do that but I met
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him and he T me through and he was like oh this is really good and I actually got to have a go with it and I'm like wow this is like to me a celebrity cuz
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prior to this product you were the way showing the best rust but you throw it on it looks like some of the most
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realistic rust it is complete and total cheating once you figure figure out how
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to use it so the leg work I think keeps off the top spot yeah yeah yeah yeah
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community service yeah community service yeah fantastic uh airbrushing
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oh I think this is similar to dry Brushing in a lot of ways yeah but you
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can't dry brushing has limits so if you want that smooth blend like what you get in from airbrushing in dry brushing you
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need specific things like you need non-m paints non mat because matte paints will create that texture whereas with
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airbrushing well now actually you still get the same don't you because if you use thick heavy pigmented paint you get
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a lot of speckling once you've mixed it properly um whereas with like you've
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been using the tamas as have I uh recommended very strongly by Cult of paint beautiful like the honestly you
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cannot tell that it's that it's paint it it looks insane those Blends are so easy
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to control and you use more thinner than paint those paints are going to last forever it's like five thinner to one
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paint yeah it's it's a lot insane but you don't get the edge highlighting that you would get from dry brushing no but
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you do get more control cuz you can pick out volume there's so much to airbrushing that I think it's its own
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skill set I I would it's like a hobby inside a hobby sometimes airbrushing is it yeah like I don't feel like I've been
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airbrushing now for seven years um I don't feel at all like I'm cheating
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because there's so much I've had to learn to do it well and I'm still learning so I'm in the that wonderful
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beginner phase uh of airbrushing where I feel like I've kind of learned the
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basics of the airbrush that I'm using which is the ultra from hard and steam which is kind of like the one that I uh
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I'm on at the minute and um yeah using like the the Tamia paints like I tried
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some inks and like there's there's a lot like you need an airbrush and you're like great you need a compressor you
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need thinner you need cleaner um need that little pot to put it in yeah yeah
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there's like the ancillary stuff again like you know there's quite a lot around the airbrush um that makes it worth it I
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think the ultra is really really good because it's so easy to clean like you
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can just run um clean clean the through it like rocking the trigger backwards and forwards and and that's like what
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they recommend and it's great occasionally I have to take the back off and clean the needle like but even if you need to clean the nozzle like I
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don't know what your experience is with like the a or the badger who are the other two two there's there's others but
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they're the main too like you take the nozzle off them and it take the nozzle off then you've got this tiny little
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piece this brass piece which is the nozzle that is like holding it like that and if you lose that if you overtighten
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it you'll crack but they give you a wrench in the box with them so people use the wrench to tighten it you are never meant to use
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that wrench to tighten it so I've heard um yeah um but yeah and I'm saying that
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cuz there'll be people out there I'm sure commenting going yeah you can but you're meant to finger tighten it as much as you can but then when the air
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goes in and the pressure builds up that wrenches to loosen it because you can so easily overtighten it with the wrench
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and this is such a fine delicate component whereas with all of the harder and steam I've used it's take the nozzle
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off and then you've got a compression fit nozzle that's much larger and because of that it's just so much easier
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to handle and clean that you can just go right clean that b back in done yeah so
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good it's it's wonderful I have no skin in the game here because I can't airbrush I don't own one uh I've never
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I've never used one the only thing I would say for me and maybe it's maybe
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it's jealousy um I'd like to think I'm more I'm a more uh I'm a better man than
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that I sometimes get a little bit TI I was trying to be subtle there I know you I know uh as a half Breck um I
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I sometimes get a bit bored of things that look airbrushed yeah like you know like yeah know like rhinos and someone's
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like airbrushed a light so they've got a glow and you go yeah I know what you're doing yeah it looks exactly as it does
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but just going know just looks like you've hit it with an airbrush you know I sometimes find it's a technique that
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instantly is a noticeably a noticeable technique do you know what I mean you can see straight away you never AC you
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never look at airbrushing and go well you can look at dry brushing and go has that been airbrushed you never look at
29:11
airbrushing and going has that been dry brushed has that been done with a brush it's always it's it's very it's it's
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always its own thing and it's always noticeably I think it's its own thing I think and you know and don't get me
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wrong I'd love to have a setup I just don't have the space for one I'd love to have a setup for it I do really
29:28
appreciate it Pat's just done some just done some dark angel work which is phenomenal they look great and you think
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you know if the amount of time that tu tu you P if you were doing that dry brushing or layering or however cuz this
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is why I think airbrush like it feels cheaty like you got to put the time in you're going to learn it and and you
29:47
know going through and selecting the right paints and and you know I've got some air paints now I've got the Tamia
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paints which are just exceptional it's like tip drying what's that um which is
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wonderful um I would not be able to achieve the same result with a brush see
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but would you not paint a different way this is I love I love I love that you've got the I've got no skin in the game but
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actually you're CU there are so many people out there like Rob one of the guys who writes on F hammer.com in fact
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pretty much the main writer on F hammer.com now who needs more recognition than he gets um I love you Rob done Rob but um thank you rob um but
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yeah so so when we first started off I sent him an airbrush and a compressor basically my old one um and said look
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have a go and and as far as I'm aware he still is not a fan of it so like just
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having a go and he's got the equipment he's got the kit um but again it's nice to have the view from people who are
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just like that's not for me yeah which which is completely fair but like you say if you were painting them and doing
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those Blends that you've done you would still probably be doing your first model
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now no I think I think I would have had a breakdown and quit and the channel
30:59
wouldn't exist anymore um yeah but no but instead like you've gone a different way whereas if you were traditionally
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painting them you wouldn't have done like uh what's it value sketching or you
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wouldn't have done light to dark on a leg light to darken a shoulder on a back you'd have gone this is all bone color
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this is lighter bone color on all the edges do that for the same for every color which is a different approach
31:25
don't get me wrong I think the speed of what it works at is is phenomenal um I
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do feel it does feel until I think you really let get on top of it and Pat's done a couple of videos that that show
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this until you really start get your head and gear with it it's a massive faf
31:42
yeah you know I think I I know this is a separate subject altogether so we not talking about Payton I sometimes feels
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to me like airbrushing feels a little bit like 3D printing it's like it's got loads of like things you have to learn
31:54
all these ancin things you've got to have like you know you know saying really speaking you know if you you know
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where you're lucky that you pay you you airbrush in a studio but if you airbrushed at home you'd have to have a
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booth either with a hose going out the window or into a bucket of water under your table it's got a whole range of
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other things which feel a little bit more longwind to get used to than a
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brush and Potter paint but you can't you can't deny how quick and easy it is even
32:23
if sometimes I don't like it a it it's final outcome because it looks too much
32:28
like what it is so that's one of the points I wanted to come back to quick before we we vote on it is you yeah for
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Army painting like if you look at and C of paint again there is there is a
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especially to the trained eye who knows what an airbrush does there's an airbrushed look to them which isn't a
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bad look I'm not criticizing but it's just noticeable on the other hand of that and Court of paint do do this from
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time to time but obviously their channel is more more aimed at the Army painter commission Studio it's what they do but
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then you look at the channels like anhel geraldes who airbrushes on filters and I
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would argue you cannot tell you don't know what part of his models are airbrushed and what aren't okay that's a
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fair answer yeah yeah like there's that there's a ludicrously open-ended scale of like I'm
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I'm very much at the bottom where I've gone oh I've gone Brown to a bone color ooh wouldn't be able to do that with a
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brush and that's why to me it feels like cheating yeah what I think
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rightly point out with with Angel people who are absolutely nailing
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it are bringing it to the level of difficulty that the skill so in a lot of ways it should be right up there on the
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cheating which I think the better at it you get the more legal it becomes yes yes yeah very good point so should it go
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in the middle I I would I would put it I think grounds are by your parents well I
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don't know I'm thinking middle cuz we put dry Brushing in the middle and I think dry brush is a wider I would
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probably KN it down one more just CU I think airbrushing is the more it's a
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hard one more kit for you need more kit for an airbrush it cost more money and
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it cost you more money than than than dry brushing um so I think it you know
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even me who's going oh well I have issues with airbrushing I feel I'm arguing for its legality because the
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amount of things you need to have the amount of time you have to spend training yourself for it the amount of videos you have to watch the amount of
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money it costs and that that's why and the people who get really good at it get it to the as you say get it to the point
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where a the airbrushing look is starting to disappear so for me I think it's oh I
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think it's grounded by your parents I I with all I was actually going to go against you but with you explaining all
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that I I would go lower and say it's nowadays if you look at a model that's been airbrushed airbrushed well and
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someone goes yeah I airbrushed it you get a slap on the wrist for it nothing more okay yeah I I'm prepared to B that
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where are your so are you both slap on the wrist now I'm coming with him okay um uh stop
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being agreeable be honest yeah no well I mean cuz yeah your book on slapos I think I
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think oh because I'm relating it back to my own person
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yeah the new you are the less legal it is the better you are so for me I'm in that phase where I've learned the basics
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and I'm just like oh my God oh my God oh my God so you're a you're you're sort of final written war and then I would say oh no no no I was going to say gred by
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your parents oh you going to go oh okay but but if the two of you going slap on the wrist you out weigh me so in in both
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physically and in this vote I'll do
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that right then um right where were we what should we do next so I don't know like I want to talk about I do want to
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cuz we kind of glossed over Slap Chop and I do want Slap Chop to be important one but before we get to Slap Chop or
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after I want to talk about contrast paints yeah because I think we've already talked about cuz Slap Chop is
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two techniques in one isn't it it's dry brushing and contrast SL in/ translucent
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well it's three isn't it because it's dry brushing it's UL you can drive you can you can Slap Chop over over two over two rattle cans
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can't let's talk about contrast paints let's talk about zenial and then we will do slap all right so um slap no what
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what is contrast paints cheating and when we
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talk about contrast paints well we're talking about all of it aren't we so so the the marketing so we're talking about
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contrast paints yeah not translucents yeah yes because contrast
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paints comes with the inherent marketing of contrast paints spray it white paint
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by number yes okay yeah I think that was how that was how it was marketed by
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Games Workshop originally they had the the standard method and then they had
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contrast method yeah and they've ditched that now and it's just sort of like hey
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you can thin down a contrast paint and use it as a wash yeah you can uh you can
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use it to to shade things and you can you know do this that and the other you
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can put it over metallics you can do all that kind of thing so yeah it it has
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more sort of properties now so are we so when we talk about this topic are we talking about contrast paint so Citadel
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yeah or and this is why I hate using the term contrast paint speed paint because speed paint instant color even the old
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liquitex inks that everyone used in between games workshops old inks and their new inks which are contrast paints
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it's they're essentially inks in yes but is the translucent in yeah yeah but it's
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the idea that contrast paints have a certain Behavior in that they pull away from the edges so
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you get that and they allow the under they allow the color underneath to push through don't I don't understand how
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that's different inks I well yeah I mean this is all I guess just sort
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of differ is is there people who are prepared to not shop in Games Workshop
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for their paints and will go to Hobbycraft on those that will only stay in Games Workshop I think that's the difference between a translucent paint
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like an ink or something would go over a a surface and you it would be the same
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like filter everywhere where contrast where a contrast paint would like pull
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yeah will pull into areas I think that's all translucent like it depend cuz any paint is going to
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flow so if you apply it lightly you can apply a contrast paint as a glaze and
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you can consistently apply it or you can paint it heavily runs heavier into the recesses and you get that level of
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difference in translucency dependent so so it this is why this is exactly why I hate the we all call them contrast
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paints contrast paints but they're not they they're in they I would translucent
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I would rather go with as a term unless somebody in the comments can come up with a better catch all word for this
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new Buzz of paints that have come out since contrast paint to do that speed
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paint method or or to apply in the same way that came out since contrast even
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though we had them before for years so yeah yeah so rather than trying to
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Define what a conscious f is I would I would argue that
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translucent that translucent um work best with certain
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Miniatures and I think Games Workshop very much knew that because when they brought out their contrast paints
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because I'm going to use that term because that's what they call them y one of the things I've seen time and time
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again when they were showing them off at uh different conventions And So It Was
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Here There and Everywhere was they were using pox Walkers they were using eighth edition pox Walkers yeah they were then
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hammering it with them and the pox Walkers just loved it they it pulled around the boils it tinted it tined the
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color of horns if you'd paint if they had been base coats gem like wraithbone
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yet it gave the the horn enough of a color that it looked um it ttin to the color it and then it would recess near
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the bottom where the horns would be a different color he did a really good job of of that but I thought it it is
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something that I think works particularly well with a particular type of Min a lot harder to contrast a Space Marine yeah and I have now since found
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again that the new the um the 2020s pox Walker for contrast is crout all right
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okay yeah it just works exactly the crout really crout really loves it because it's got so much muscle group it
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runs into the recesses it does a good job you can use two or three different contrasts
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or over the quills on the back of yeah you know P The Dark One in medium one light one you can switch them together
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if you want to and it gives a nice it gives a nice uh defined fade of color so
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I think it works really well on Cru I think the more I use translucents the
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more I am starting to realize they are a tool for a particular job not an all over tool anymore I'm not that that
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thing of splat because God bless them I love them to bit being Lloyd the painting coach he I
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followed before I painted any the first Cru I painted was I painted one that Lloyd did and Lloyd was using contrast
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paints for it and I really liked it I liked the outcome when it was finished I was quite pleased with it and Lloyd to be fair was using contrast and then
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layering over the top of it I do just now start to feel the more time I would
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spend with contrast pains I find them a bit anemic when you put them all over a miniature so I was a first going this is
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is going to get my crew done like that and now I've come away from them because the crew just feel a little bit pale and
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a little bit iner yeah do you know what I mean it just doesn't if you put CU it is it is it the undercoat if
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everything yeah and you know I've now gone that green that I was getting at first was like cool i' be knocking these
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out intense and no problems and I've gone off it and what I've done I've actually and no offense to LY because
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you know he picked worked on an idea and it it did his final one look really good
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I found myself going more cult to paint where I've started doing strange things like base coating with a primer base
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coating them red and then putting green on top of the red and to give it more warmth more life and More Death yeah
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where is I just find I like I like contrast painting they do certain job they're great if you're doing um if
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you're doing Space Marines where you go right them pouches do them in bone Banger Brown over the top of them
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they're going in tens you only seen them fourth foot away that's brown leather done yeah yeah but as for all over
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especially if you're trying to use the M Marines to um to quote blade your uh
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always some MF trying to up skate ice skate uphill and that's what you are if you're contrast painting Marines yeah
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good luck to if you can pull it off yeah so I think I like I guess we're approaching this from a level of um
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where there's a certain look that we're going for in the miniature and contrast contrast might might not be the the way
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that you go for that I think as a complete beginner getting that shade built in just with one brilant is is
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brilliant they how am I teaching I'm teaching my youngest to paint pox walkers at the moment and all I've given
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I don't give them anything other than contrast paints yeah yeah yeah um like they dry they can dry a bit shiny which
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is a bit annoying um but I think there's guys on the internet like Juan hadalo does great things with contrast paint
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War hipster does incredible things with contrast paint like he uh his method of painting he calls like
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contrast plus so he will contrast and shade stuff and then go okay now we're
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going to go in with some highlights and all that kind of yeah which is what Lloyd did with yeah so I watched him do some Dark Angels um recently and they're
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brilliant like you can't tell they're cont contrast do you think then they
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start to go the way of the airbrush which is it's a thing that saves you a lot of time but to actually make it look
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really good you've got to put the leg w in so maybe contrast isn't as cheating as if you want good results and not just
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fast Army painted results Army painted results maybe contrast isn't as illegal
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isn't as illegal as initially you would think it would be it's kind of like airbrush the the better you get at it
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the more legal it becomes yeah quite quite possibly I think it's a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to do than
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airbrushing so I it's a brushing a PO yeah exactly yeah it's it's a brushing a PO part
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um yeah I oh it's a tricky one this this is why I'm going to come back to what I said at the beginning is we need to
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split these out because yeah contrast as it was announced like just paint it
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wraithbone and then cover it in these colors STI here should be completely illegal not should be what was the top
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one I forgot I wasn't reading down illegal like for and that's not in any
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way an insult that's not if you do this you're cheating because anything that gets paint model yeah even if it's just
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a spray even if it's just your primer I have that much gray plastic still so not
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an insult but contrast that original way The Branding around it so if you're
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doing this on a chart Citadel contrast should be downright illegal but
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translucents including contrast have so much application yeah that you can you
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you really can go for date they have such a great value to so
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ju hialgo he hasn't just cracked open the butt and put a brush in it and thought
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well let's see what this does he's had to he's had to have Lear the life out of that to produce such brilliant videos in
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his contrast things that's so he's proven that he proves by the level of skill that he uses on it that it's not
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just you it's not just you know cheat it's not tal talent in a bottle as they
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were not just talent in the bottle there's got to get a lot of talent and practice to be able to use contrast to
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it its best degree that's it that's it I suppose yeah any anything here can be argued to that thing I've honestly I've
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never seen his channel so I can't understand the example I've seen it I've just I've never watched a video um so
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slap on the wrist I guess but um but yeah like again anything here you can
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you can like say oh it's it's it's not like contrast as contrast was originally
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done is kind of talent in a bottle you can do all your colors and things there it's flat but it it's but the the
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drawback is you get that look yes yeah and and it's that's an interesting one so with army painter like it's it's
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meant to be contrast was originally marketed as like a one coat solution
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painted white put your colors on done Army painter speed paint version one
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it's a one coat solution but then people complained about the reactivation and
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and and the properties there because and that got so big I guess like my
47:29
interpretation of it is because nobody was really using it as a one coat solution they wanted to put highlights
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on it yeah yeah yeah I I think that yeah but you've said this is the interesting thing like there was a lot that went off
47:42
around that oh they reactivate and yeah you know I think I wish Army painter had owned it better than they did and just
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gone yeah okay people didn't want this we'll redo it instead of doing version two like we've kept some of the colors
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and just Own It guys like we already have enough of this oh that thing's crap
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well we've we've improved it from our main source of of hobby we we don't need
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it from these ancillary Brands as well so yeah I wish they'd owned it but other than that like you said with your Tamia
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um not your Tamia your liquitex you white ink you stop using that that's an ink it reactivated sometimes paints just
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reactivate it was it was frustrating that that wasn't made clear but that's
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the point of reviews and the reviews did pick that up yeah like I had some I've had some great
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really really great results and some terrible results when I've been dependent on one I've been hit and scale
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75 inks with okay sometimes they they they certain things they really happy to
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sit alongside other things they want to turn into W that is that the instant
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color or ink tensity int intensity which I can't say but that intent City yeah
48:51
yeah so okay so where are we going with this one I want to separate it and I think contrast paints I think that
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marketing video should be downright illegal just one coat solution yeah like
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yeah the marketing video should be but in reality it kind of wasn't so where
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I'm thinking here is looking down this thing we haven't got anything that's going to end up in should be downright illegal I think I think we could argue
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everything oh no there is one thing that's definitely downright okay oh okay I'm glad you've got an idea all right
49:22
okay yeah little teas so okay um cuz this is how how how using contrast
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paints makes you feel yeah yeah so how how cheeky does it feel how do I feel when I use contrast paints
49:34
I when I do it like I say if I have a a pouch on a Space Marine and I put a
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brown on and then one coat I've got multiple shades of brown I'm like I I still go in and and
49:47
and highlight it and and all that sort of stuff and then now you know you got your contrast like B red which kind of
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your single pigment contrasts which aren't really that
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contrasty I'm now learning to do it the other way around whereas like I might do a pouch something like um xandre dust
50:06
and then do a white highlight round the pouch and then put the contrast on so all the Highlight has been done
50:11
underneath and that way and I sometimes go oh that's 10 minutes you know don't get me wrong you and Pat will know you
50:17
seen some of my work when it comes to captains and things like that P holsters and stuff I really batter and I put a
50:23
line where the holsters been opened and closed numerous times I will really do that on the captains but when you got 10
50:29
Space Marines in a gang you haven't got time for that so like I I feel like when I use contrast paint effectively I feel
50:36
like HR are going to call me in for a chat yeah yeah yeah yeah no I yeah it's
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middle of the road in it for me I'm I'm I am on some I'm I'm not going for like
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when I use it HR are going to call me in for a chat I'm thinking on one level end
50:52
it's like community service like in the early stages on the other end when you're really good like airbrushing it's
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no more than a slap on the wrist cuz you're applying it well so for me it's middle of the road yeah yeah interesting
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I hope this c r is long it's going to have to be is it it is yeah start start at the beginning I
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would yeah just everything a b c s a b CDE e but the C is just three times
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bigger than everything else so people are like I wonder where things are going to go how uh how so then what are we
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going to go with next Zen zeni so we talked about this because
51:30
you were like zenithal with cans versus zenithal we said just zenithal so zenithal is the holding a model you've
51:38
got 30 to 45 degrees of spray from above and you turn it you're yeah you're you
51:43
all like if someone said to me hey what's Zenith thought I would say you're simulating a light source direction of
51:51
the effect of your light source on your miniature yeah so whether that is you
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black and then you do a white zenithal and apply contrast paints over it or if you do dark red and then do a brighter
52:04
red um for like blood Angel armor or something like that so I would just say you're simulating a light source yeah
52:09
but it's but it's a singular light source from above you can angle it if you want to if
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if we go by the word when the sun is at its Zenith because well that's it and I I
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want to sorry I'm I'm being like actually Spock was half human half Vulcan but yeah no like it it's good
52:31
because cuz pre-shading yeah is different to zenithal yes which is again airbrush
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brush any of those things it's something Marco favors zenithal is model 45° turn
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it round complete model and you highlighted to top to bottom is and know
52:53
I'm being specific I think that is so what what what's your definition of pre-shading pre-shading is volume
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shading doing sketching yeah getting volumes sketching volumes of the model so for anyone who doesn't know volumes
53:06
volumes is shapes so shoulder pad shoulder pad it space an easy example
53:11
really really bright head so that becomes a focus part of the model um like if you take a model and you 45
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degree it and do that you basically light to dark on the feet whereas I want
53:23
the shoulder pad to pop out so the shoulder will be light to the goes light to dark the arm goes light dark the arm
53:29
the curvature of the arm is light here dark there and you can't just you you can but you can't just get that with a
53:35
45 Dee spin so so pre highlighting
53:41
pre-shading does that need to be a separate thing I think so okay see the problem being as well that well I think
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it's Zen falls down in certain are is because you can't do it for everything
53:53
you can't zenial metal space screens you I I was thinking about this
53:59
recently you I think you can so I I was think CU nobody's done I don't know if
54:05
anybody has if somebody has link the video you could do metallic zenithal
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with valo paints so you have the black metal yes you could do gun metal and then you could do Chrome so you could go
54:18
up the colors that way and I think that would be yeah but I mean but yeah sorry but yeah well which that I have what
54:24
you're talking about I have done but I mean that thing of spraying the miniature black and then
54:31
doing it doing a 45 degree of white isn't going to do anything for metal no
54:37
you're doing it white but you can do like Zen is just highlighting so um when you said metal space mares I was like of
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course you can it doesn't matter what they're made of you just put Prim on I actually thought you meant the puta ones um and I hope I'm not alone if you're
54:49
there in the comments and you agree what I did was I the you know the captain with a jump pack yeah I um I sprayed him
54:56
black photographed him against light uh turned the photograph black and white
55:02
and then I got all of my um fleo metals and I worked off the what had
55:10
been created by by Source on the light system Yeah by going the what which I love the black
55:17
metal uh the black metal on the re in the dark and and then work him away up and then aluminum where the light was
55:23
hitting the edge of the helmet and the the the edge of the the hel so I did it that way yeah so which is weird it's
55:30
like it's like doing NMM but with real metal yeah so well it's true metallic metal true metallic metal but on the NM
55:37
Theory I think I think you could if you had an airbrush you could definitely zenial with the metallics okay that's
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fair again that's a my life dark dark dark silver light silver yeah yeah okay
55:48
yeah like you yeah like I I want to try on like the stormcast like say like the silver dudes in scaven ties or any
55:55
stormcast really but inspired by them black metal all over gun metal and then Chrome um and then probably wash it
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maybe um so you'd make like a chrome and then you could see them on
56:09
TVs yeah link to your network or something this is going to get a copyright strike from Google in a minute
56:15
um so yeah um but yeah so you can do them I think I think Zen the the
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approach of zenithal highlighting is downright should be illegal because it
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is a very basic yeah dark light whether that's dark color light color or whether
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it's black to white especially when you consider in the past people have would have had to think the life out of that
56:38
to do it and people are just doing it by rattle C yes this is the bit where I'm going to
56:43
get crucified I cannot yeah I know tell me about it um it's all right if anyone
56:48
wants to insult me come over to my channel and do it um but no D yeah go
56:54
over there um but yeah subscribe then you can insult me all you want that's what some people think um but no the um the
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actual process of dark to light I think doesn't add any value Beyond pre-shading
57:12
because I and maybe it's just me maybe it's a skill I haven't learned I know people do the pre- shading like show
57:18
where the highlights are and stuff like that but you can do that with a photograph of the model like just put it
57:24
in like your primer put it under a lamp put a bounce light underneath so you can see a color H and that was a technique
57:31
taught to me by the lovely Man Steve Garcia golden Ste golden demon winner a light from above with a colored card
57:37
underneath so you can see what the environment light bouncing up does okay take your reference photos as you turn
57:44
your model around and that shows you where your light is but but having having that dark on the bottom white on
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the top as a reference for where highlights go yeah especially when it's just a basic Zen all as soon as I start
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applying color to that I'm like I've lost it I've lost the visual and then I don't have a reference to go back to no
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so I think zenithal work well if you're using contrast paint or if you're using translucent paints that's right um God
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I'm such an ass with that I'm not going to live that down oh God yeah um so and
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I think it's an exceptional way of like how translucent would you like your
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tea it's not much cont trusting this copper it's not translucent actually it's transparent um but yeah yeah yeah I
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think I think it's it's um es especially if you're starting out it's a fantastic
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way of adding more having more of a dynamic paint job
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um if that's the right word so um on on your Miniatures that's very very easy I
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think like you know painted black do a light dusting and then go to town or or what have you so so to uh if we quote
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Danny Dyer a little bit is it a little bit naughty I think I think it feels yeah I
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mean I I feel very naughty when I uh when I for
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Prim um to the point now where I love doing it so much I do it all like pretty much all the time as I appreciate yeah
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doar well is yeah okay so what are you thinking community service s yeah oh I
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don't it's a tricky one isn't it final written one I I I think I I mean part of
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me is like oh I think we should have a high one um yeah we can't do
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just I'm playing the even if it's for the sake of being Devil's Advocate I'm pushing it up there I think it should be
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damn right illegal because for me in my approach to painting which does not mean
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everyone must share my view in my approach to painting I don't see that it
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other than when you're applying a collar over it such as a translucent um I don't see that it adds
1:00:05
any value so it doesn't look it doesn't you want good so you want to be Law
1:00:11
Abiding Citizen then I know I want it to be it it doesn't feel yeah no yeah I'm going the wrong way yeah it does not
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feel like oh we're really going to have a split oh this is this has broke my this
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this has broke my melon so you don't feel cheating at all when you do a Zen no I I feel that this is a cheat a
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complete cheat and it's such a cheat in my opinion in my view because I don't get
1:00:38
anything out of it this is such a cheat that leading people to do
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this is potentially the cheat as in it's what um Tommy was talking about like the
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the other week where it was like there are there are certain dogmas in painting that just don't AR as true as what you
1:00:57
may believe you just hear them a lot yeah and and zenithal highlighting is something that you hear a lot and the 45
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degrees it has value I get that it has value it's a good approach to the next stage but like even looking at your
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Terminators they're not zenithal highlight you have pre-shaded the forms
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of the model so zenithal exists purely to cut your teeth on airbrushing nothing
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more the cheat is that you should be doing it but you shouldn't you should be doing that next step so this should be
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downright illegal wrong and no one should do it I am so sorry please direct
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your hatred towards me I'm still on the wise how feels I'm still not fully be
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illegal it's a really heavy cheat but you don't think it does enough I think it's such a yeah it's a heavy cheat it's
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such a cheat that we should not be doing it it's complete cheating so then what he means is La
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Biden citizen then really damn right illegal should be illegal should be illegal because nobody should
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be doing this in my opinion as Devil's Advocate not me okay so if no one should be doing it then it really is highly
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illegal yes so I I I I I like a zenithal
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uh I feel like the results it gives me are like oh I I put not a great deal of
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effort into zenithal in this miniature and I've got a cool blend between two
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colors so I think I think community service for me community service for me as well yeah all right there we
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go right Slap Chop you're all right which is obviously a meeting of the
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minds of the previous can we take a can we take a break for a week like before we get into this one soop yeah I I think
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uh Slap Chop It encompasses obviously like the popularized by Rob the honest wargamer he did his video um and it's
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got like over half a million views or something like that so whilst the technique isn't new it's the the naming
1:02:56
of it the naming of it and the packaging of it and now it is an incredibly popular technique so you black Grays up
1:03:05
to White and then contrast paints so incredibly simple and you get all of
1:03:12
that dynamicism into your paint job that you might not otherwise get and without sounding like to throw more Blum and
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Blum and petrol on the fire you can H you can dry brush it at an angle to
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create a zenial again so you can you can drag it back into what we previously talked about you
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can go well I'll dry brush more of this side than that side yes so that when then you do put your translucent put
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your translucent on you create uh you create a depth of of light from one side
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to the other don't you so so it incomp they try so again I think with Slap Chop it falls
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again I hate repeating myself but it falls again into that category of yes it is something that is really easy yes it
1:03:57
is really helpful yes it speeds things along really quickly but also is a thing
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that the better you get at it the more legal it becomes because you do have to a good applying a good little bit of
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brain power to how to work it at its best means leg work which makes it more
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legal yeah so I'm I'm fully in the I I think of the first thing I ever slap
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chopped which was space WF yeah I mean you did a we we did them together Mr
1:04:27
Lam's uh yes yes space WF Scouts yes so space Wolf infiltrators yeah so he put
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up a Tik Tok Slap Chop in a space Wolf so we just tried to follow that tutorial
1:04:38
and it worked out relatively well like at the time I remember looking at it going I couldn't do this with a brush
1:04:45
like which is I guess like with the same sort of thing maybe my brush works just I I don't remember it was it not done
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with a brush tradition paint brush like you
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know base coat layer layer okay so um looking Holy Trinity looking
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at the texture that was on the model I really liked it you'd got the highlights
1:05:08
like I remember looking at like the The Gauntlet around the glove and everything had been there and thinking like I
1:05:14
couldn't make it look that good with a traditional penbrush right um so for me
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it's damn right legal I think it's really accessible yeah um obviously
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it depends where you are in your painting Journey um I think the the more developed and advanced you are you go
1:05:32
right well Slap Chop offers me that style uh if you wanted it to look different you're going to want to
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approach it differently but uh I think I think the first time I ever slapped up anything I was just like
1:05:46
this the police are going to knock on the door and take me to prison yeah but again it's like it you can Slap Chop and
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create a thing that works really you know you know you can get half a dozen Marines knocked out in not a great deal of time or you can Slap Chop and then
1:06:00
once you've got it to a certain degree go now I'll go in and prop put a proper highlight in there on the areas it didn't quite catch so I think it it
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again falls into that thing of being uh a useful tool for the well trained Y and
1:06:14
a really great tool for the new yeah for the newbies so I think it you it was
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designed to speed things up and it's like I think you know Rob's video it's Mark as like God I'm not a massive fan
1:06:29
of painting but I want cool looking Miniatures still yeah yeah and and it it
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absolutely provides that 100% And that that's where I see it from as well it's weird like this is cuz obviously I said
1:06:40
to you this week in text I was like what's what's the topic for the show and I suggested Slap Chop as like maybe we
1:06:46
should just talk about that and wear me slap toop t-shirt you're in the chat you could
1:06:51
have just but you know my dick you you but like Slap Chop is one of them
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techniques where yeah it's been done for years like I've always been a very big fan of the airbrush dry brush oil wash
1:07:05
done like combining those sort of things so this is that easy cuz it's all it's all
1:07:12
acrylics like there's no weird you don't have to pay money for an airbrush you don't have to do this and Slap Chop
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since it was since that term was coined um has brought everyone together doing
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this like I think and that's it and people have even tried to come out with new terms like um Mikey from Hellstorm
1:07:33
did it with no it's he got a sponge and he called I think it was like blob job or something which is a typical Mikey
1:07:39
humor yes and like ninj On's done like smash ninon did Smash chop yeah yeah oh
1:07:45
did he yeah and and he's he's got some mileage at a Slap Chop smash chop he did
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he did Slap Chop 2.0 yeah and then did Smash chop I think I may be getting it
1:07:57
wrong but he's he's done quite a few different I feel like traran did one as well um or I don't know whether it was
1:08:03
Slap Chop but he did a very stipp blood angel that was like a that's that was
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like draw everywhere like bastard for being amazing um but he cheated because
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he used a stipper slap choppy technique so that that should be cheating every
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technique should be just use a brush but like it's weird like Slap Chop is a it's such a great thing everyone's coined it
1:08:29
everyone's brought it together I feel so dirty when I use it that I don't feel
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like it's real painting at all at all to the point where this is why I wanted to talk about
1:08:43
it this week because like when I first got back into the hobby I followed you
1:08:48
know the the approach of heavy metal and that and it was very or the The Citadel system cuz that's what I came in paint
1:08:54
your base color do your Edge highlight in a lighter color do your final Edge highlight in another color and do a
1:09:00
highlight do a reset yeah and when I look back at my models and then I got an airbrush and I was like right I'll do a
1:09:05
zenial highlight and then in invoke The Edge highlighting and mix the two um and
1:09:11
a bit more what was it it was a bit more Cult of painting in that sort of way but without the oils or anything yet and I
1:09:18
feel like I was technically a better painter um back then like I look at I am
1:09:24
more satisfied with my old traditional airbrush with an edge highlight models because I know that I put more into them
1:09:30
and they're cleaner the actual result is cleaner but at the same time I do apply
1:09:36
a level of Slap Chop now to my current models because again it's not black
1:09:42
through gray black through to white with gray it's like sometime if I'm using yellows I'll do a brown through to white
1:09:48
or some or pink through to White cuz otherwise it looks muddy and horrible so there are things to learn Byron again
1:09:55
artist Opus has taught so much kind of not off the back of it but stuff he
1:10:01
already knew and and I think that slap jop as a term has been a great vehicle for him to show what you can do when you
1:10:06
mix Nuance color that I completely feel that I I don't see as much value in my
1:10:14
paint jobs now than what I used to with those old brush techniques and I miss it and it's like I talk about 3D printing
1:10:21
all the time of how oh it's so much easier because you just pull it off supports and then tiny little bit of cleanup there's no mold line removal no
1:10:28
Gap filling no nothing but I realized this week this couple of weeks now I've
1:10:34
moved on to gundam I miss the building yeah I actually miss it that's the hobby
1:10:41
part of the hobby that I enjoyed that I didn't even realize I enjoyed gone and Slap Chop has taken some of the painting
1:10:49
part of my hobby that I enjoy and got rid of that but godamn there was results
1:10:55
are impressive yes and so accessible it is cheating I'll now die on this soap
1:11:01
box um it's 100% slapchop should be Dam be damn
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right illegal cuz it's that good yeah I'm I'm right with you on that
1:11:14
one I'm one lower but you there's two of you so I'm going to go I'll go with you yeah awesome so that is s lovely I've
1:11:22
lost where we were oh we've been jumping around around a little bit right so we got to airbrushing and then we jumped oh
1:11:30
so oh let's do I think we should do Jeff's um Jeff's Edition to the list which is quick shade and dip wash yes
1:11:37
quick shade and dip wash um don't see it quite as much now some people but it used to be back in the day of the old uh
1:11:48
metal Napoleonic Miniatures the it didn't even used to be
1:11:53
a special kind of a thing it was just just literally furniture polish yeah yeah it was just Furniture
1:11:59
stainer and you know what I would argue now that that's still what it's just
1:12:05
different does what it says on the tin no it doesn't it doesn't yeah yeah if you peel it off underneath yeah but for
1:12:13
people who are literally blocky colors in yeah dip it
1:12:19
varnish it get it on a table it's brilliant for the for people who's that's their thing do you what do you
1:12:25
know the amount of the amount of people who in the O over the last 30 years
1:12:31
who've weeped with joy when someone introduced her to them and they're a skeleton player oh yeah yeah yeah if you
1:12:38
played skellies and someone introduced you to Quick shade yeah God it must have been literally like a light from Heaven
1:12:44
coming down when someone went you know it probably was came with Qui with a choir when you opened the tin and you
1:12:50
know what I mean pulled you pulled your skeletons out of it the dry ice and some D yeah literally yeah you know for
1:12:55
certain people that's and again that you know for people who are literally block them in bang that bang them in a thing
1:13:03
of that done they're now off to play napoleonics or medieval or something
1:13:10
that you know historics yeah fantasy and I will use historics and the reason to say that is because them people AR
1:13:16
playing a lot of the times 30 really nice me painted space me they're playing four 500s yeah you know they're playing
1:13:24
when you doing the Battle of a and cor you aren't doing it with 20 you're not playing kill team you know and so you
1:13:29
know they for people like that like that it it must been an absolute godsend so
1:13:35
um I think nowadays for especially with fantasy and the 40K and the Sci-Fi
1:13:40
players it isn't quite as it is it's it's it's a very blunt tool it's a very
1:13:46
blunt tool now I think because I've I've never used it and there was I think it
1:13:53
was a first B Army painter to my knowledge like personal knowledge are
1:13:58
the only company that like in Miniatures painting that that do it still yeah and
1:14:03
a lot years ago people did Army painter didn't exist people were just buying a Canabis from being q and off they went
1:14:10
um and I think it was a uh Duncan rhs video where he looked at different kinds
1:14:17
of washes and he did the dip wash um on an orc I think or something like that
1:14:22
and the results were really good yeah really yeah yeah like like better than
1:14:28
it wasn't the worst was is a way of describing I guess
1:14:33
don't get me wrong you're going to end up with something quite shiny so well yeah so that's that's the experience I have had gone Pat well no that's that's
1:14:39
that's kind of the end of my story really that's like as as much as I have um so your story was good painter used
1:14:46
it it looked good yes yeah good pain got good results yes yeah definitely who who
1:14:53
to th it but the idea of just going ploop oh it's shaded yeah and and what
1:14:59
what's that a couple of seconds but you have to what turn it around the right way that's the bit where so I I got it
1:15:05
one of my first things I ever did sort of more professionally in this hobby was the review of the army pain and it was
1:15:11
in my time where I was like Hey paint companies have wrote some things about your paints can I have paints and they all said yes Army painter went above and
1:15:18
beyond they sent me the massive oh they're fantastic they sent me the massive massive paint set with
1:15:23
everything um they sent me the quick Shades some metallic some the brush set
1:15:29
I was like overwhelmed so I thought I'm going to and I've got a review of everything which is now completely redundant because they moved to F
1:15:35
fanatic thank you um but that was weeks of work to give like a thorough review of the entire thing and I painted so
1:15:42
many models using their paints and the result was they were fine like you know they they're cheaper paints they act
1:15:48
like cheaper paints but you can get good results from them but the quick Shades I got three ultramarines that had painted
1:15:55
with airbrushed in various techniques one kind of following their technique one a bit more effort and then one like
1:16:00
pushing as far as I could go and I went straight into the dip wash that was my cheat fast one in their approach looking
1:16:07
at it and like it was a black wash on blue armor but like you know how the the Space Mo helmets got that the mo the
1:16:13
crest the Mohawk whatever um that had like pools of black and then it had like a streak of of black dry down his face
1:16:22
and it was shiny so I you're right so I put a matte varnish over but again I think if I have poured some
1:16:28
of that out thinned it down it yeah yeah yeah and then and then turned it into a dip wash but that then loses the value
1:16:34
of a dip wash and I had mixed it before um don't get that on camera um too late
1:16:40
ah did it twice you did it twice why did I do it again a tease for a third time
1:16:46
definitely don't get me do this mixed it yeah so I mixed it call me a don't make
1:16:53
me do that Christ um and and sorry technical difficulties there now we're
1:16:59
back you're going to cut that right definitely um but yeah so again I
1:17:05
did I went the other way around and then I sort of looked at it and then I went in with a second one and kind of went oh
1:17:10
crap if I get some thinner on here now and that looked a bit better when I was able to sort of like whilst it was still
1:17:16
sort of tacky uh clean it off and it was a bit better but yeah so I think it's
1:17:21
it's it's good it's easy I think it's complete cheating and I also think it looks a bit crap at
1:17:27
the end I think you know if we were to wheel in a really Veteran War gamer from
1:17:33
like the very early 1980s they could probably nail it and show us where we're getting where we're
1:17:40
going wrong with it but I do think if you are painting hundreds upon hundreds
1:17:45
of VI you know especially if you know doing like Blum and quarter quart quarter tabards of the like I say you
1:17:52
know the the Middle Ages or you know uh or medieval it's probably great to
1:17:58
just block them in bang and it goes comes out and you can get it to be fair to Army paint as well you can get it in
1:18:03
different strengths yeah yeah you can well you've got it's the same as aash is soft tone medium tone strong tone which
1:18:10
is basically sarapin sepia agrax Earth shade non oil yeah yeah so so yeah um so
1:18:17
I think it's really cheaty I think it's really cheaty cuz it it is literally like a
1:18:25
oh yeah absolutely I'm I'm up there as well it's it's yeah I I 100% complete
1:18:30
cheat but if the results aren't very good but it's still it's still a cheat
1:18:36
it I don't think the result because I was I was arguing this earlier like with the zenial wasn't it I don't think the results are good enough but I think it's
1:18:43
a cheap because you like it shouldn't be pushed as hard as it's pushed as a thing
1:18:48
it people should focus like CT of paint do on volume this one is complete cheat
1:18:54
whether it looks whether I think it looks good or not there's value there and it's a
1:18:59
complete cheat for that value so you feel cheaty when you use it you definitely yeah I think it's it's it is
1:19:05
yeah so where you going Lads I think it's definitely community service oh I'm I'm no I'm complete cheat it should be
1:19:10
downright illegal yeah oh I've got to split the vote and I have the least
1:19:17
experience I think it's only the fact that it doesn't only like like I said to
1:19:22
cuz I need to back myself up that if we were to have old swack gamer in here he would show us how to do it really well
1:19:28
which I think if if you need just a bit of an instruction to see how to do it at its best that brings it down from being
1:19:34
a complete cheat to me I think it's still I still think there is a level of skill required to nail it so I will go
1:19:39
community service fair enough I would hope somebody like I really hope as well CU this is the one where we're not like
1:19:46
I've had to go you had to get you don't know like I really hope there is someone that Jeff describes out there watching
1:19:51
yeah and tells us in the comments whether that's a thing I tried it when we were first looking at a color scheme for my son's Army we were going to do
1:19:57
mortifications in their bone armor right and I went tried it and I and I was like
1:20:02
it's just not quite good enough for me you know what I mean if I didn't care that much about how they looked bone
1:20:07
armor black shoulder pads you could chew through it using quick shade but but if you've G to thin it down like let's say
1:20:12
you do need to thin it because that's the only thing I think you can possibly do like I don't think praying to the
1:20:18
machine God is a technique you can you can apply in order to make it better thin thinning it down is the only thing
1:20:23
in which case you need need a second inner paint to pour it in to the the right mure th it and even then when you
1:20:29
dip the model in it's difficult you've got to have gloves on yes and then it starts drying really quick it does not
1:20:35
come out it's it's it's Furniture stained so you dip it in and then it's all over your base and then you've got
1:20:41
to stand it on some newspaper then you've got to scrape the newspaper off when it dries to the newspaper um but
1:20:47
you can only use like half or 2/3 of the tin because once it gets too low you can't you have to start put you have to
1:20:53
start putting your miniature on a piece of Str so see it's got it has got it downside so community service so Ross I Think I I
1:21:01
I was uh going to spoil my ballot paper and just draw Willies all over it but um
1:21:08
I think even though you are voting should be damn right illegal I think your arguments have have knocked it down
1:21:14
for community service fair enough yeah cool I'll accept that right then I can take negative feedback
1:21:24
metallic metal come on okay then this is this is citizen done yeah Laing citizen you're
1:21:33
going out of your way to make your life to so diff do a harder technique that
1:21:39
takes more time to go after a specific look I don't think there's anything that
1:21:44
would feel remotely cheaty you would get to to Lord yourself over everyone that only uses metallic paints but that's a
1:21:51
different scale that we're not going into no yeah I think Laing citizen yeah
1:21:56
you know I'd love to talk at length about the goods and the bads of like but it's only the fact of knowing whether you can do it or you can't do it isn't
1:22:02
it with non metallic metals some people will go and Richard Gray has proved this to be incorrect people go well it only
1:22:09
works if you looking from a certain angle and Richard Gray when we had him on the show I I can painted that it
1:22:14
looks right at every angle yes at which point we then beat him to death and he's never been seen since no but it's um no
1:22:22
it's he he could say I could paint it from any angles and you know and the man's genius love 100% I I'm sat here
1:22:28
racking my brain trying to think of a counter just to try and be a bit more like okay let's get disc going it's
1:22:35
literally deciding that you're going to it's literally deciding you're going to enter a Blum and Sprint and chop in your
1:22:40
own feet off first isn't it you know what I mean it's literally you are making your own life as difficult as
1:22:46
everything about it is more work right yeah speaking of Richard Gray did you see his scaven model that he posted
1:22:52
yesterday yeah the one he only got a couple of weeks ago was absolutely Hammer I've seen it yeah yeah we've seen it and he and he probably started like
1:22:58
oh yeah I forgot about this and I started the day before no he's not that rude but oh my God that was incredible
1:23:04
that's he must have used dirty down rust for that rust he amazing like that's the thing like non metallic metal and then
1:23:11
he applies rust to that metal like yeah ah and the problem being with non
1:23:18
metallic metal as well is that once you've decided then you're going right this has a strong light source coming from this direction when you get away in
1:23:24
the metal and you even do faces and hair you still having to take that light source into consideration then so it you
1:23:31
set yourself a really really high bar yeah and then you have to stick to it for everything to do with the miniature
1:23:38
be from the scenery all the way up to the forehead yeah you you then are stuck with having to work from that light
1:23:44
source otherwise it will fall to bits if if something's out it you could make
1:23:49
your life harder could you I thought unless you decided you going to paint a golden demon win a miniature with with
1:23:54
the quarter of the edge of a brick you literally could you know what I mean you couldn't make your life any more
1:23:59
difficult could you brick chop methods yeah brick brick brick smash brick yeah
1:24:05
the build brick smash um can we fix it no it's [ __ ]
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um so yes I I I think that's definitely Law Abiding Citizen um the the only
1:24:16
thing I was going to mention is a mix of I realized I think on the Deathwing
1:24:22
nights yes they have traditional gold trim on the top of their shoulder pads
1:24:27
but the swords they've done it in a non-metallic metal style so they've got metal and which I don't mind because I
1:24:34
is this the heavy the heavy metal yeah the heavy metal on and I don't mind that because it would just suggest to me there's something going on in the sword
1:24:41
because they're power swords yes I'll accept that there is different type of metal at work for that yeah so oh see so
1:24:47
the sword the sword is true metallic metal but with oh non metallic metal the sword okay continue talk about stuff
1:24:53
we're just going to check here yeah that would to me that would to me just suggest power weapon yeah yeah yeah yeah
1:25:00
yeah that's it yeah sorry you're just making your life as difficult as possible Lord of
1:25:06
Biden citizen yeah yeah okay uh next up potentially in a similar category we got
1:25:12
glazing yes um glaz's got to be up there I don't think that glazing has any
1:25:19
ability to feel like a cheat no not at all because it again you are really
1:25:24
you're massively having control either controlling your consist consistency of
1:25:30
paint on on a dry palet or you're really heavily having to control it on a wet
1:25:35
pallet and you are having not only is it just a consistency of paint you having to massively think about the placement
1:25:42
of it and you've also got to have the patience of a sink because it might take five 6 10 I don't know how many layers
1:25:50
to get it where you want it glazing for me is l citizen but I'm
1:25:55
open to arguments yeah I I think I'm right there with you um you have to
1:26:01
really learn your paint yeah um and
1:26:06
check the consistency of it so like I've gotten with the Army painting that I've
1:26:12
done uh and chat to Tommy and and that kind of thing um like whether you agree
1:26:17
with me or not like I still use a weet palette and the value for me is we're in the summer it's really hot I'd like my
1:26:22
paint to last a bit longer yeah um and but I will check the consistency of it on a dry pallet because that is
1:26:29
what most simulates putting it on a Model yeah um so yes I I think La biding citizen uh if
1:26:37
you you want the smoothest things you're not using an air she doing it by hand I think L you've never seen anyone and
1:26:44
I'll take the argument if somebody can prove it but um you've never you've never heard somebody say on on a YouTube
1:26:50
video go I just quickly glazed this no I think um Juan
1:26:55
hialgo sometimes says oh we're going to go in with a heavy glaze and and uh like
1:27:01
to his credit he makes it look incredibly easy um and he's but I'm sure it's not quite a lot but I'm sure it's
1:27:06
not yeah I'm I'm struggling with it because stickler for terminology again I
1:27:13
I don't know what people mean when they say glazing and I know what I think most people think glazing is which is
1:27:20
basically painting with paint so thin that more it's it's significantly it's
1:27:26
like 99% water to 1 to 5% paint really really thin layers of paint I think is
1:27:32
how Richard Gray because I mean to bring Richard up again um I remember watching one of his videos and when he was a
1:27:38
guest on the show we asked him about at it as well someone said like oh you're not glazing right and you're like oh
1:27:44
slow sword winner Richard Gray is not glazing that would have been a great thumbnail um and and he says you know
1:27:51
people have the IDE as you've said they have the idea of what they think glazing is it's like oh you've got a blue and a
1:27:57
black and and You' got that hard transition line and you get rid of it with glazes um but it really is just
1:28:04
yeah thin it's lay it's layering it's blending it's it's and that's the thing so glaz glazing glazing glazing is
1:28:11
actually talking is actually you're right the the process isn't what the name is the name is is actually
1:28:18
referring to a consistency of paint but but you're right it's layering but but
1:28:24
yeah it's layering with but what's your point babe um I theong name just yeah
1:28:30
it's got the wrong name we're not saying the right name but to be fair though it's like where we've talked about Slap
1:28:35
Chop leads to bringing everyone together in a in a style of technique not having
1:28:40
the right terminology for certain things kind of maybe alienate some people and could be one of the reasons why um
1:28:47
people when they're teaching glazing or people when they're learning glazing can't get the right guide for it because
1:28:53
what's on one person's call calling glazing is not the same as another and yeah um as for where it should go it's
1:29:00
completely with you guys it it's painting with paint so thin and so controlled so dilute with such a perfect
1:29:06
amount on your brush that you know it's it's a master technique it's Law Abiding Citizen well can we just decide what to
1:29:13
call it and and follow um and and follow a thing so so yeah what is glazing let
1:29:20
us know in the comments what is glazing what is layering and where's the difference how much water how much water is the
1:29:27
difference yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um and another one that I've I I I added
1:29:33
in just now so now um we're not even halfway yeah I think we're not going to
1:29:38
be able to cover everything in this one chat as I look at the timer uh wet
1:29:44
blending or two brush blending they're different cuz cuz two
1:29:50
brush blending oh hang on it depends two brush blend then I thought you said toothbrush blender I was have you never
1:29:56
done that it's like slap it's like oh god there a new technique I don't know what it is I start B Sky Gob here okay
1:30:04
so there's three here um wet blending two brush blending loaded brush oh do
1:30:11
you know what loaded brush is no so loaded brush is when you get one color loaded onto your brush like a yellow and
1:30:17
I can't remember any of the artist names who use this so you get so you have the other color inside you you have the
1:30:23
other color on a brush so what you do so let's say you're doing non metallic metal you load
1:30:30
your brush up with yellow quite a decent volume um not volume thickness um yeah
1:30:37
quite quite thick then you add white on the front and then as you apply it it will do the
1:30:42
blend it is insane to watch the more you push the brush down yeah the more paint
1:30:48
you release from the belly yes yeah so you'll use the outer layer first and it will blend into the yeah Vince does it
1:30:56
so that's loaded brush that's loaded brush okay so let's talk about the things you said
1:31:02
yeah it loaded brush that seems like it's
1:31:08
really we need a new category like there's law abiding CZ and that's okay it's not cheating but then there is
1:31:14
going Beyond being a vigilante the category below that is Batman Batman yes okay fine so loaded brush Batman um cuz
1:31:23
you you know cuz cuz everyone can glaze and um what was the other one that we
1:31:28
put into thingy uh non metalic metal non metal everyone can glaze a non- metallic metal there's guides everywhere loaded
1:31:34
brush is like okay not only do I want not only do I want to make it difficult by having um paint of the right
1:31:42
consistency do non-metallic metal or a similar blending technique but I want to
1:31:47
do something that's typically two paints mixing together at the same time
1:31:54
it's almost like that beat box like the beat and the chorus at the same time boom so that is yeah so loaded brush is
1:32:01
Batman tier yeah loaded okay so loaded brush is Batman tier what's the difference between wet
1:32:06
blending and two brush blending so wet blending so wet blending is when you apply two colors to sorry you apply one
1:32:13
color and then with the second color whilst the first is still wet you introduce it and and thingy the middle
1:32:20
um what was the other one called again two two brush brush blending is when you
1:32:25
have you apply one color then you apply another color then with a separate brush
1:32:31
mix the two or is that sounds similar enough um what what do you think it is I
1:32:36
don't know okay so why did you bring it up no I thought they were the same thing see I'm still just sitting here worried about toothbrush
1:32:42
blend yeah I I thought wet blending and toothbrush blending were the same technique what is to Bro there is a
1:32:48
difference in two well no it's just us it's just it's just a cleaner I've got it I've got it sorry right two brush is
1:32:56
right so you apply a color let's say let's not say anything you apply Color you're going to get Med in the comments
1:33:01
if you get this wrong God damn it so you apply a color you let it dry so let's say a deep red
1:33:08
yeah okay like or a burgundy the whole thing's covered in that yeah okay what you do with two brush blending is you
1:33:15
then take your second color so like a nice navy blue yeah and you paint half of it yeah and then what you do is you
1:33:21
use a second brush with water to feather out the edge yes do we all think come
1:33:26
right yes I'm saying that but only cuz I'm scared of you yeah it makes yeah it makes sense yeah yeah okay so that
1:33:33
technique I I don't think it's quite lur like this isn't the neither of these are
1:33:39
as good as glazing I think they're about as difficult as each other yeah yes yeah I I my my interpretation of uh like wet
1:33:49
blending I have done it before like where you go right that color down that color down
1:33:55
um I've got to be honest I glaze I I uh I have enjoyed it it's a way of getting
1:34:01
a glazing esque results like a transition a blend yeah faster yeah um
1:34:08
but the consist the consistency of doing it is like it's not as exact it's not as
1:34:15
precise it is easier so it feels a bit more cheaty I think oh yeah I think you
1:34:20
need more control to play yeah you need like it's more glazing is more time consuming
1:34:26
more control involved wet blend you can go oh look I wet Blended is that easy um
1:34:33
it's weird that if it if it was yeah like we haven't got more people doing it have we like people favor
1:34:40
glazing because I feel like wet blending isn't in Vogue at the minute yeah a bit
1:34:46
of a Spate didn't it I think it got brought back to the Flor when uh early days of Warhammer plus they they was a
1:34:54
weet blazing there was a weet blending video L did it oh sorry yeah sorry so
1:35:01
yeah sugs did it that was one of her first ones cuz she did it on her and this is a really great way yeah a great
1:35:06
way cuz it's one of the things I tell people to do in dry brushing demos is right you you're trying to paint a model
1:35:12
take the third dimension out of it and you'll have a much easier time to get it in your head do it on something flat
1:35:18
yeah and you'll do that such as the the texture palette surprisingly but yeah
1:35:23
it's the same that was a really good tutorial cuz I know so many people who tried it back then which were yep just
1:35:29
do it on a Bas before you do it on a Model do it on something sacrificial so if you get it wrong it's not a problem
1:35:35
or without or without trying to send money as way um yeah your friend and ours James taro's little um uh the dry
1:35:42
brush palette the dry the dry brush plates that he designed the tested like test ones which are wonderful yeah yeah
1:35:49
I've picked a couple of them up some new ones I haven't seen them yet you've seen them they are fantastic cuz he's even
1:35:57
well he considered the background before but it adds a new background if you've not seen them so for anyone who ever
1:36:02
wants tarot model maker tarot model maker check him out brilliant plinth guy but he's made these like dry brush
1:36:10
testing well they're not dry brush they're just testing pallets so he's got a series but they help but if you want a dry brush there's lots of
1:36:15
VAR to just play with but they're double-sided aren't they so some of it like texture which is great for dry
1:36:21
brushing and washing and then another one's got faces and barel plasma coils
1:36:26
things like that but yeah if you want to practice faces what better to have like then instead of trying to hold a head like that you've got a whole card you
1:36:33
can hold and actually P fantastic but yeah there's a new one coming out keep excited for that but it's a great little
1:36:38
thing like oh I've bought a load of plint and then this little I think they're four or five quid like oh yeah I'll stick one of them in my carart but
1:36:45
um yeah I uh forget what we were talking about now so I I think wet blending like
1:36:52
when I the the one of the only times that I've done it was I I I painted a squad of custodies like ages and ages
1:36:59
and ages ago um and I was quite pleased with the results that I got with limited
1:37:06
I forgot I do I use it on uh things like quite dramatic things like Space Marine
1:37:11
Space Marine Captain cloaks we there yeah I for I do use it a bit yeah I I feel like it's it you know it has its
1:37:18
drawbacks but um you know I I I want to put wet blending in like you use it
1:37:24
you're going to get grounded by your parents yeah I think it's grounded by I think it's grounded by your parents yeah yeah maybe even this is why people
1:37:31
visualize it as they're doing the show cuz then we can remember what went where
1:37:37
so we could like higher and lower but no it's good and yeah that video like that video um we were talking about is is
1:37:43
good because not only does it show you the technique but it also shows you if I remember in the right one it shows you
1:37:49
what to do like when sometimes you get muddy colors m and it actually showed you what to do like when you lose
1:37:55
vibrancy between two contrasting colors which amazing value and honestly like in
1:38:01
all the time that that Warhammer plus has been out I think that's probably the most value I've had is that video and
1:38:08
the models you get with it yeah I mean can we just take a a a very short aside
1:38:14
just to be like God warmer plus is atrocious now the only you know what I haven't even been in it months or the
1:38:20
only thing I'm wondering is what my next miniature is really I've got it I sign up for it every month and just out of pure laziness I haven't canceled it I'll
1:38:27
I'll stand by and say the the the only thing I watch on it now is the master class Master Class yeah CU that's can I
1:38:32
oh can I say the reason the other element of laziness is that I was um I
1:38:38
did as pay the money for their Army Builder yeah and that's got really good now oh okay I really got it and so
1:38:45
paying the extra and getting a little bit of a TV show and then a miniature doesn't feel like so it's an upsell like
1:38:52
it up sell from something you already have already whereas I've got no interest in the Army I just like
1:38:58
painting as I've said a thousand times more I I come at this from a point of view of the the model and the animations
1:39:07
were the biggest draw yeah um the animations have quietened down the animations have just died a death um
1:39:14
they haven't released anything since do you remember all of the hooa about stopping people making their own videos
1:39:21
yeah yeah yeah and it was because we're bringing them into the fold and with this and just nothing seems to be happen
1:39:27
where happened to all of these people they said you can't do that anymore but you can work for us where were they yeah so the blood angels um light angels of
1:39:35
death yeah that series was one the guy that made the like essentially all of the animations are kind of those
1:39:43
creators that they have put on the platform yeah but the frequency that they're releasing is just you know don't
1:39:49
get me wrong I'm not an idiot I can imagine a starties isn't a 10 the job to make it no oh no you know but I haven't
1:39:56
I haven't even heard anything about no no whether it's even going to happen yeah yeah it's it it is like I say I
1:40:03
watch it CU I think I think the new guy Ed is brilliant great shoter nice CH
1:40:08
he's a nice guy yeah we've met him a couple of times and um sorry him at um Expo he was at Expo amazing um and I
1:40:14
think he's he's a fantastic because he worked for Siege yeah for years so like he's a he's a experienced commission
1:40:19
painter and um what's it um trainer so he did like a lot of the classes as well
1:40:25
and that se's classes also for a beginner painter fantastic they did want to element this weekend and I saw her on
1:40:32
Instagram and it was when I went there was like eight of us there was like 20 in this one it was crazy but um yeah but
1:40:38
no he's got so much experience he's a great painter and um that is the only reason I can see any value in
1:40:45
subscribing at the moment it's it's that and the model that you get yeah cuz I I
1:40:51
unsubscribed um this time because I I didn't really like um the the models I
1:40:59
like I was like I haven't seen the new ones I know I don't know what no sorry like the prev the previous ones I bought
1:41:05
iwhere to get that c Sergeant it's still in the box with what year was the the guy from the cover of white dwarf the
1:41:13
the Terminator the corn Terminator guy previous year okay year one was year one
1:41:19
was the sniper I got that I got the corn guy Sergeant oh I might have which was based
1:41:25
on the old the old kinsky art of there was like a vampire lady from put it this
1:41:31
way so I've paid for it because I forgot to cancel my subscription yeah I didn't even know these models are out and
1:41:36
they're clearly not interesting enough for me to have gone and selected which of the three models that I want he need to go back I paid for it need to go back
1:41:43
and get it before it disappeared yeah like the big draw for me was models which didn't really do it for me this
1:41:50
time um well yeah had even my the animations and the Vault stuff like quite regularly
1:41:57
they say oh new this week on war plus it would be painting is the staple I think that's always there um they must have Ed
1:42:03
hooked up to the mains well that can't that can't Terminator I gave to the channel and it went out as surpriz CU I
1:42:10
didn't I didn't want it um and I don't think there's as much access to like law
1:42:15
Masters isn't as frequent anymore and the Vault um which is what the back back
1:42:20
is the back issues are white dwarf and bits and Bobs like that not as frequent I think the thing with law Masters is like it's good cuz it was Al was it Alex
1:42:27
who did the law Masters thing great presentation like like again incredible it is isn't it it's almost like another
1:42:33
games workshops Matt Barry yeah um and I think he was really good but I think people quickly realize like they they
1:42:40
needed to stick at that to get the library there because people are just like why should I watch this when I'll
1:42:46
just watch lotin yes yeah and and I think the the initial draw was oh these
1:42:51
are these are the only official law videos yeah and but then but they didn't
1:42:57
release anything new in there that's so like if it was like yeah like ltin has actually got me to be interested in the
1:43:03
books whereas they were just like again not bad but they were very much like let's recap some stuff and they didn't
1:43:11
feel like an advert or anything but I was like I know this but if they'd have kept going they just they needed that
1:43:17
back Library there so but yeah so two more should we do two more I have to to
1:43:23
leave in about 4 minutes so we can one more one more shall we do heavy metal
1:43:28
because that incorporates Edge highlight well we've got so so we've got three in one haven't we we've got heavy metal sit
1:43:35
so no we won't do three more we'll do one more three things so heavy metal The Citadel three tier system which includes
1:43:43
Edge highlighting yeah base layer Edge High Bas layer Edge highlight yeah it's like base washed layer Edge highlight
1:43:49
Edge highlight Edge highlight yep yeah infin think it's cheating but I think it
1:43:55
it leads to I think it's brilliant like the Triad system or or whatever isn't
1:44:01
wrong for a basic to C the yakai system the what that you're going to have to
1:44:07
explain that try add the Chinese gangsters in here we go with the Japanese got it yeah okay oh Yakuza
1:44:14
Yakuza yeah right right right Extreme Games Workshop methods so we say it's
1:44:20
the extreme version of it yeah yeah yeah like the box art is I mean that's that that is such a defined style you need
1:44:28
razor sharp edge highlights you are Ching a rainbow changed a little bit over the years like sometimes it's more
1:44:34
weathered sometimes it's and but still when it is weathered it's within that style of WEA very much so yeah it's very
1:44:40
light and delicate and all that sort of stuff they they do like you know your Space Marines your ultramarines they
1:44:47
obviously base them in a CRA blue or what have you but then it's it's always glazed down um like on the on the Shins
1:44:54
and stuff I feel like it's that's that to me I'm always like oh have they done that on The Shins I think it has no
1:45:00
negative because the more time you spend really hard yeah well that's negative
1:45:05
but I mean the more time you spend chasing the heavy metal painting system
1:45:11
even if you never achieve box art level all it does is constantly improves your
1:45:16
ability does yeah it does yes yeah I see no negative in it other that well the
1:45:22
big negative is it's bloody difficult to do you're absolutely right but if you spent your day chasing the heavy metal
1:45:29
way yeah you will always end up becoming a better painter even if you never get
1:45:34
to the Box off I think and we can we can do what we want to slag off Games Workshop as we just did um but like when
1:45:41
you kind of look at it they've they've got a really good way like the like the the game Boxers they've got that
1:45:47
consistency oh sorry was I talking when you were yeah sorry yeah I do apologize but come on
1:45:55
um but no like they've got they've got that good better best in the games haven't they so they released the big box then they go I heard that one from a
1:46:02
wedding years ago when someone spoke over the Grom it was great um but um
1:46:08
yeah the they've got like you know you get your starter version your veteran then you then you Dominator box or
1:46:14
whatever it's called um and they do the same with painting start with Slap Chop then go to Army painting star which is
1:46:21
your Edge highlight you know like color Edge Edge so battle ready and parade ready battle ready and that sort of
1:46:26
thing and then you've got heavy metal which which is the one thing other than the master class which I I still want
1:46:32
more of they don't teach that approach anymore like they never have really like
1:46:38
the closest we ever got um and I'm going to keep promoting him because it was amazing and we haven't had a series like
1:46:45
this was Daren Lam's series on how to paint a black God and that was the
1:46:50
series that taught me oh hey you can paint you can paint well because by
1:46:56
following that and looking at it I'm looking at something I painted yes it was step by step but wow because it was
1:47:02
so well explained brilliantly I I yes um and I I remember following uh the DAR
1:47:10
tutorial on how to paint a blood Angel Space Marine leg um and I really enjoyed that and that was that was really really
1:47:16
good I think infernal brush um yeah is X heavy metal so he's um yeah Dave Perman
1:47:24
his uh tutorial on how to paint heavy metal ultramarine yeah uh is brilliant
1:47:31
um that's really really good yeah super difficult like you say um and he just or
1:47:37
he painted a load of Orcs And this that and the other so he's kind of like oh I painted them like this and that and so
1:47:43
forth yeah I think the only thing I think sometimes with the E Metal thing is they sometimes pretend they're going
1:47:49
to show you how it's done and it ends up a little bit how to draw an owl yes and I know that from the fact that ninon did
1:47:56
a video where he went I'm going to paint the I'm going to paint this the heav metal and in fact I know what it was it
1:48:02
was a plague Marine he went I'm going to painted The Heavy Metal way and he went with what heavy metal said it was but
1:48:09
then actually realized he was going there's another blend of green in there they're not talking about there's this in there they're not talking about
1:48:15
there's that where he got those from anyway where got he got because he actually got in touch with somebody who
1:48:21
is directly a painter for oh okay and they went it's actually 50% of this and 50% of that or 25 and I think he he s he
1:48:30
was his argument was like you know I can imagine the Video Games Workshop is lying to you cuz they say buy death
1:48:36
guard green shade it with a agrax her shade for arm painting yeah whereas but then cuz I mean that's like they want
1:48:42
the box out to look amazing and there's that style but if you said to every single new painter oh so you get that
1:48:49
color and that color and mix it 7525 and you glaze it they go I'm not going to buy these toys anymore no no exactly
1:48:56
right but so my final point on it I'll go back to what I said at the beginning
1:49:01
even if you never achieve it you'll only end up better I I think so as well like these are be I I don't think it's quite
1:49:07
a technique but I think it's a found I think this is a it is a foundation for a
1:49:13
rule set that you can then go off to any of these other things and more that we've discussed to learn how to get
1:49:19
little bit better but if you go for that okay I'll paint with contra contrast it's color by numbers I'll Edge highlight okay I'm getting brush control
1:49:26
all right now I need to step up to heavy metal I need to learn glazing blending that sort of thing it is completely and
1:49:32
totally a valid set of steps or Journey that you
1:49:38
could go to that can take you beyond and off to every metal style H off to like golden demon winning god tier style that
1:49:45
yeah by all means I don't think this is cheating at all no I just you got to put the work yeah it's it's yeah yeah put
1:49:52
the work to get the results you want yeah I don't think it's Batman I think I think you're a law abiding system are
1:49:58
like you're just you're not pushing Beyond you're grinding you are grinding yeah and I think yeah really good great
1:50:04
result yeah um I was just thinking cuz we've only got like halfway through this list of things we had yeah maybe we'll
1:50:09
do a part two that's what I mean should we do a part two and take people's suggestions oh yeah yeah CU now now it
1:50:16
can be a live thing can't yeah I I I asked very briefly on Discord uh what
1:50:21
some of our patrons thought was uh a cheaty method uh and I said should that
1:50:26
be illegal that was a bit too easy you know that kind of thing like uh so someone said s the Highlight with contrast paints and an off-white dry
1:50:33
brush to finish uh wash and dry brush uh depends on the models example necron's
1:50:39
black and a dry brusher lead Bela done great uh I'd say white and contrast on
1:50:44
some many EG poxwalkers and the old skeletons so well done Jeffrey um
1:50:51
Jeffrey someone else has said using a piece of sponge to paint big areas way
1:50:56
simpler than getting out an airbrush avoids the recesses and if you use different shades you can get called Tex
1:51:02
wasn't even on our long list yeah like that well done that man is Mikey on our on our members list
1:51:09
cuz that was it using a sponge to yeah CU I I was I on on my list was sponge
1:51:16
chipping um but I I didn't necessarily think about you just using a sponge um
1:51:22
yeah doesn't work if you want a clean smooth finish but I use it for a de dread and it looked good and
1:51:27
ory oil and Agra shade they're basically liquid talent in a bottle they are yeah we haven't covered them they are on the
1:51:34
list we'll we'll get we've just spoed where they are tell us why we don't know
1:51:39
enough and and you will improve our painting thank you sir you'll improve our painting tell us things we maybe
1:51:45
haven't got on our second list and we'll have a look at maybe add them yeah yeah yeah so uh really look to what you think
1:51:53
on these guys that's been good I've enjoyed that yeah it's been a good one it's been a good one and I feel like I know so much more I'm now going to go
1:51:59
home try and practice the toothbrush me method and see what my Miniatures look like and then get sent to prison yes um
1:52:06
yeah I don't if it's a normal toothbrush or an electric toothbrush soft bristle soft Polish Polish the paint in yeah you
1:52:14
have to take an electric toothbrush head because they're smaller so you get more control but you want to have used it for
1:52:21
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