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Sep 25, 2023
This week we chat to John Ashton! John runs his blog and podcast but was also a commissioning editor at Games Workshop, he'd organise influencers, artwork, webcomics, and loads more. Enjoy! Follow John: Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/my-life-in-miniatures/id1603073988 Blog: https://heresyandheroes.com/ Geoff's 👕: https://www.grmdrk.com/ Join our Patreon: https://patreon.com/thepaintingphase Merch: https://thepaintingphase.creator-spring.com Streaming: https://www.twitch.tv/thepaintingphase01 Help Support the channel with our affiliate links: UK & EU: https://affiliates.waylandgames.co.uk/idevaffiliate.php?id=1214 UK: https://elementgames.co.uk/?d=10835 EUROPE: https://taschengelddieb.de/?affiliate=tpp US: use code paintingphase to get 10% off at https://www.goblinshut.com/ We Print Miniatures: https://weprintminiatures.com/thepaintingphase THEPAINTINGPHASE for 10% off
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hi I'm peachy hello I'm Patrick and I'm also Jeff but
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I will change in a minute or two he's running late yeah nice sweet smooth no one noticed no one no one will notice
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today we are joined by a very special guest hmm John Ashton John thank you for
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coming on thank you I know John from working at Games Workshop but for those of you out there who won't know who John
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is John could you explain to The Wider Community who you are and what do you do
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uh yeah sure um so yes my name's John I've run a Blog for about 10 years that's on a little bit of a highs called
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harrisonheroes.com it was indeed
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um I've also uh there's uh done three seasons well two and a half seasons of
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my podcast my life Miniatures which is sort of like desert earned this and I've had it's someone in this room I've had
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oh it's you wasn't it yeah yes yes and um and I was also
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um Warhammer community's first commissioning editor so explain because a lot of people I know what that means
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yeah Pat now knows what that means yes well but still you know clarification yeah
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you're asking two questions there because that being a commissioning editor for
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Wyoming community is actually quite different from being a commissioning editor at a Publishing House from newspaper or something so um I remember
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talking to the commissioning editor of black library and he was like oh jobs are very different and I was like yes
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they are because for for him he's he will commission writers to write to pieces and he'll edit the work with them
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and pass it on to senior editors later on for me my job was effectively just work with everyone who didn't work for
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Warhammer community so that was both internally so people in whether it's Forge World or the miniature Studio or
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whoever around the business uh and but externally so all of the um influencers
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worked that I absolutely hate but um it exists um so all the influences but also
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just people my favorite thing about the job was people who had created mad armies
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um that they put all their time and effort into and we wanted to show it off and those were my best days when I could
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get their models yeah well it still is but it was always nice seeing all that stuff on the community website I also
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think we found the title for the uh the thumbnail by the way John H John hates infants and just leave it at that yes
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do you know what it's because that is one of those horrible Insider terms that happen when uh because I worked in
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digital marketing for a long time and uh it when it first started it's one of
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those words it's actually quite dehumanizing it's like I'm describing you entirely by your function to me
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which is you influence people to buy my stuff um I've never liked using that because
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and especially in the context Games Workshop Miniatures are going to sell themselves anyway this is more well it
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is a promotion it is definitely part of advertising it's more a sort of partnership that you're doing with someone like you know we've made this
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thing we think it's cool we want you to have it and if you think it's school do something about it and equally if you don't think it's cool tell people about
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that as well and it was it was and yes all right technically that's what an influencer does but it's just a nicer
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way yeah yeah phrase it yeah partner because they always say like paid Partnerships and stuff like that yeah that's true that's where that comes from
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yeah both both parties are receiving something in return someone's getting free models things like getting exposure
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yeah like influence was a term that came out of when you're in a big meeting to do like a big Christmas campaign at an
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advertising agency or something and you had five minutes to do your ten slides and you had just needed a word that
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describes all the people you're going to send a product to and they say wonderful things about it and that's how you just
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count with influencer based on what they do yeah not who they are yeah and yeah I quite like I think we we had um uh Eric
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of Eric's hobby Workshop oh yes and he said he likes Creator yeah Creator is great yeah yeah as opposed to content
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creator because he's like I'm not just a Content machine yeah yeah exactly yeah
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you were doing that before like content existed you need to make and stuff yeah yeah because I mean if you if you want
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content on the internet that you ever heard of the The Legend of the Mechanical Turk you ever heard that no
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so this was um this is why we've got John by the way yeah he's got such knowledge well thank you
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um so this is the thing it was centuries and centuries ago I forget the exact dates but it was this machine that went all around Europe and it was this chess
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plank machine right and it was automatic it was sort of like the first robot if you like and it was a chessboard and you
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would go up and play the great grand Masters in in Russia in Italy and Spain and wherever and he would always win and
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it was supposed to be This brilliant thinking engine inside what it actually was was inside it was a man who could
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see up through the holes and be like right that's moved there so he's got a little thing right okay okay I'll move my bit from there to there and it would
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and he was pretty much a grand master himself and content a lot of content on the internet these days is quite created
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by things called mechanical Turks which are you um pay almost nothing to an enormous
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group of people who will you know do one task for 10 pence and they will generate your content for you
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so yeah get content out to have Creator Creator is a much better word yeah I like that yeah Creator so
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um would I be writing thinking that the whole influencer Creator uh program was your
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baby to start off because there was nothing like it before well no I remember yeah not really that I
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inherited a spreadsheet with a few names on it um that I used to send some some stuff to and it was the big people like Bill
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of lost souls and mini War gaming and things like that and the obvious ones and then over my three and a bit years
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there grew that lists quite exponentially um to kind of bring in new people because a
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lot of things were sort of it starts off as just blogs unless it was just blogs um with a few YouTube channels and then
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obviously YouTube came on and I remember when we got our first tick tocker and someone got into say hi I've got a hobby
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Tick Tock can I can I get some free stuff and it's like how many views do you get and he said
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some enormous number and I was like oh yeah fine yeah here's your NDA sign that I get on board
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um but yeah so it was a it became a big list of wonderful people and
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um yeah and you know everyone from Golden Dean winning painters who would send all the really nice kits to to
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um yeah Richard Gray and stuff like that oh yeah yes all the all those guys that was that was great and um
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yeah and I there's actually that's a myth I could address fully when a lot of
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things get released now um there's there's seems to be a limited
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Supply at GW and uh if you've missed out on getting it obviously it's terrible if
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you've gone through a process I want to buy this thing and you get told it's out of stock minutes later
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it could be very easy to sort of say uh look at an influencer who's put their stuff up and be like oh I wish I could
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have got one but I didn't know and I absolutely understand that reaction but I can tell you that's not true that's
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it's the influences I used to go to a meeting about six to nine months before
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things were released and I'd be showing what was coming out in six nine months and I'd have to create a spreadsheet or
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update a spreadsheet actually with how many we as a marketing team would need so yeah that would include stuff we need
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for TV yeah just a few the painters would need if we were doing any competitions and the stuff the writers
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would need and everything we were sending out as well so say we needed um the one I always think
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of was the Osceola boundary for the one that came out yeah so I know we sent 40 battle times out so all right here
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you go we'll send all of those out and we'll need 10 for ourselves so I'll write on the spreadsheet 50.
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anything above 50 we would they had six to nine months sometimes
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actually with really big releases a year to create the added stock that they would need yes so if it was a big
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release and especially big boxes of like 40K when that came out we'd won hundreds of them yeah um for all sorts of reasons
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um but yeah they would have known about a year in advance and would have created that Supply yeah for us it would never
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ever have affected um I mean it kind of reminds me a bit of like the sample system that we used to have internally anyway which was you
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know if I needed plastics for warmer TV um that weren't even made and weren't
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even boxes at that point I'd have to go through this intranet form fill it all
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out with Miniatures detailing what it is I need and then sometimes they didn't know my name's like what is the name of
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the product I was like oh it's all spiky thing that's what everyone's calling it right now I don't actually know it's official product name but it's known as
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aux bike thing they know that that's called org Spike I think because that's the placeholder name as well so it's always a bit like I hope this is the
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right name um you detailed me screws you need what it's for when you need it for and they always used to get sample test shots and
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usually for warmer TV you're okay like for the packaging painters they needed
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to be Bob on because of the packaging for warmer TV if it was a bit like the spare tip hasn't fully formed on
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this one guy I won't build that guy then yeah I'll just build that guy instead with that weapon option oh okay then that's fine we can send you this set of
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test shots out um so you'd always get the test shots which was just like being done in the background in the factory
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but yeah I know there's been a lot of noise with like Leviathan The Lion soundlinius where people are going oh
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the reason I can't get stock is because the influence has got them all and they're saying like oh look how cool this product is and this that and the
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other but obviously which is obviously really good and if you've you've been waiting for that for months yeah you can't get it on the day because yeah
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like say I saw a lot of that around like certainly this year um with the kill team boxes that just
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went out of stock immediately and the lion and oh yeah the lion was a big one um and like the lion especially because
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it was like a new Primark and everybody was posting up there yeah pictures and you're like well I can't even buy it and
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then I know someone's got it like they're posting it a week early and they must have had it like weeks previous and
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you're like oh yeah and I guess it presents like I'm not saying I agree like I can
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understand the link oh of course yeah I think it's like the frustration should
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be at Games Workshop not like an individual I like painting yeah yeah and
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it's it's it's a frustration but and what I'd also say is there's no one against virtually who's really to blame
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and certainly in a malicious way it's literally a case of we think like because that how do you how do you judge
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how popular something is but I mean you say well we've got this being mentioned 9 000 times on Twitter should we make 9
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000 of them or do we make 90 000 of them or do we make how many do we make and so it's quite a tricky process to get it
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right and what you don't want to do which actually happened with um a game long before I started that I've
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heard of which was um it was when uh spacehog was
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re-released after the re-release so I did yes again yeah but they did so many they just it wasn't yeah they didn't
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sell them yeah as a nightmare for a business because you just got it all taking up space on the stock and everything yeah yeah so you can't build
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more of your new stuff because you've got a load of old stuff sitting there and taking out the space for them yeah because the first time it came out it
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was a big deal and yeah somebody got leaked and stuff yeah uh like minor leagues and whatever but that did really
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well and obviously I think later on it was like that did really well that's did they do like some extra bits in it like
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it was like an extra set of like like some extra tiles maybe or like some extra balls yeah just to make it feel
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like it's not like a reprint it's an update because you can't reprint something that's limited yes definitely
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right yeah they'll take your word for it yes I think there was something in it that was extra on top of what the previous one had to make it unique to
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the previous one um but I always remember that that era because Facebook did really well
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they made red flee dreadfully um was an awesome game um oh that'll be Jeff I'd be like I'll
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cut to me and be like oh I feel a bit strange oh sorry carry on thanks Jeff
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thanks for dropping in yeah that was magic Edison TV style uh yeah so dreadfully uh
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came around because obviously the successful of Spacebook was doing really well dreadfully came around I I really
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like the game it was a really good game system uh Phil Kelly did a great job writing that old brilliant and well and
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also it's just a love letter to John blanche's artwork there's so much love poured into that project yeah
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um the problem I think they had with it because there's this whole claim that dreadfleet didn't do so well
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um the numbers did very well they did but when you when you look at like the numbers in comparison to like other
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stuff that was being released at the time it didn't it did incredibly well in comparison to space org it didn't do
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very well no what's the reason for that space will everyone knows what space walk is right yeah everyone's heard of that for years dreadfully if it was
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named labeled maybe Manowar yeah it might have done a bit better yeah
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I don't know I think they wanted to try a different angle and stuff because Manowar is like Naval battles in the
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high seas right and you have different factions whereas this was more of a story between two captains with their
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own like ad hoc fleets I I hope there would be more and it might have been more
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if it was more of a successful Games Workshop but I just think it was just a weird sort of situation if they named it
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man at War they probably would have been more interest which meant there would have been more games with more like fleets coming out and this than the
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other but um there was this horrible we all got pulled into a meeting yeah
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um and this is like management 101 not what to do to win to
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build morale in the team this this is what you don't do when you've spent hours and years well probably like 18
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months building a project watching the amount of time I've known you this could be part seven of 180.
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what you don't do is you pull everyone into a big meeting as the studio manager
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and then say this hasn't done very well it's it's it's there's so much stock
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left over here's a video of all that stock being crushed imagine the games writer who made that
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project the artists and all the other people that put love into this project watching that happen on video and it's
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like you don't get how people work do you know special sorts of Twisters to do
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that yeah after that everyone's just like that was hard did you see yeah that was horrible why would they do that
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that's just correct literally Crush into someone I suppose to the idea of maybe let's tell at a discount to see if we
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can get more oh yeah I know they don't have this is the thing isn't he go but you go reduce the price see if you can
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get more people interested you know yeah and then carry on with it so I do get that and it sounds so wasteful but I
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understand it from a a business point of view that it's easy to crush dark yeah to get someone to open everything up and
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then distribute the stuff back out into the warehouse that costs a lot of money in time and Manpower whereas don't cost
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much if you just crush it all down but the recycling inside of it is just God awful yeah I mean you could just employ
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someone to go cardboard plastic cardboard plastic cardboard with plastic that might be less than like a cardboard
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goes over here plastic sprue one goes over here that that's obviously a bit more time intensive but yeah yeah no it
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is it's very tricky to do that and I mean I remember when um when I was leaving and actually we
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were sort of moving office and I had to clear out do you remember I had the vault which was uh my locked cupboard oh
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yes with all the unreleased stuff yeah and people had to come up and sign out books that weren't released yet
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um from me and um when so being covered obviously and we'd come back and told to
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clear everything out and I had loads of stuff in the vault and there's a big bin and it was like yeah it was in the bin
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or it could go back to my place that really expensive necrom under
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um kit you know the 180 pound Mega Box what I think you know what if it just
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came back with me it'd be fine right yeah because otherwise it would have just gone and gotten yeah we used to
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have a recycling bin do you remember that it used to be like yeah yeah so
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um that was one time I had a bit of a clear out because I'm even from downstairs to upstairs um and uh I was just like tying it up
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there's like so much stuff that we weren't going to use like German copies of like indomitus and like age of Sigma
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Dominion stuff like that so because we needed the model I used to trip over those boxes on the way to the toilet it did yes I've ever been quite a pile so I
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was like breaking them all down there's always random stuff like we had like so many random boxes of all boys because I think they've been a shop clearance and
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a lot of people gone to the warehouse at this point they did have someone that would go recycling bin plastic been recycling bin plastic been like that
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um and he'd contacted the studio to go do you guys need anything before we like recycle all this stuff so we went through like and our boss was like if
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you can find stuff that's a collection for the Army painters for warmer TV that'd be good you could find some stuff that you might use for like videos so we
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went through that didn't use most of it for a year no so we recycled it and what I was doing was like
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I could just like break this all down or pass it to that guy who's definitely going to paint it yeah yeah so I'll pass
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that box that guy's gonna paint it I was like do you want are you interested he's like yeah I'll paint that and I got stopped by uh the manager at the time
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he's like you can't just be giving stuff away you need to recycle I was like all I'm doing is wasting my time opening all
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these boxes pouring all in there for them to get it all out again yeah can I not just give them the box and he's like
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no so everyone's just like waiting for me to empty all these boxes put the Box in one bin put the rule book in it or
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the instruction book and then put the screws in there they'll go thank you yeah
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I was like I'm wasted my time doing this I could just literally give them the box I mean you'd have times where either you
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guys emptying the painting covered on me emptying the Vault and all the stuff we'd had around kicking around for ages and you just pick it up and you'd be
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walking towards those recycling bins until I just go where you go yeah things are getting off do you want this yeah
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yeah all right fine don't have to go to the binder I mean I've got some Spruce down there I've got lizard death card oh
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yeah yeah that's uh that are like tucked behind a guitar um I remember I think the busy they ever
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saw the bin was um oh cursed City oh yeah yeah because
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nobody could get anything and everyone's like oh I really want some more zombies or skins or whatever or
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um and that was sort of like 10 people around the bin yeah something like that yeah I can imagine it yeah well I've
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seen it I've been there yeah it's like the discount like when you uh like the yellow stickers at Sainsbury's but no
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like yeah and q's waiting for you it's like oh what have you got there is it Asda where they move it all to a specific Place yeah and I remember
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during covert because the general public are animals um they had to like barrier it off yeah
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for the protection of the staff and then they'll be like okay please step away I'm removing the barrier and then so Liz
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sometimes to get like you know like cheap fish and stuff like that she if she wonders you should start driving back from Works you're like oh I'd have to see if there's any like you know cool
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Bargains or anything like that and she's like it's horrible because all I wanted there was like loads and I saw this once
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it was like a stack of like sausages and this woman was like sticking this guy's just there waiting and she finished sticking that one he just took the whole
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lot and went oh wow is that like you know like a proper Savage and is that going 10p is that the best you can do
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can you not knock it down anymore and I'm like yeah like I know we're in like a bit of a recession and stuff like that
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but come on that's it I'm like yeah as soon as I've made that comment I'm like no like it must be horrible like trying
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to scrimp and save on everything and you've got to go for a deal aren't you well yeah but I mean there's that do you
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need 16 packs of sausages for yourself that are gonna go in the freezer probably get wasted or maybe take two or three so remember people that are like
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the other 20 people queuing good point yeah that's like yeah you know this is why I know Liz hates zombie movies right
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because it's not about the zombies although it's probably scary a bit she hates the humans because they are stupid
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and they will kill you for a fresh pair of pants or a fresh pair of shoes and she's like she hates the idea of
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dystopian like living and stuff like she's like everyone's just gonna murder everyone and she's like and I know this because I go to Asda and see the bargain
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section and everyone's just on the horrible humans and I'm like yeah yeah you're not wrong have you ever played a
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board game called dead of winter no it's brilliant it's um is a zombie board game and your survivors nearing your little
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base it's still secure and you've all got to work together to sort of achieve these common goals and you might have to
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get out and get some ammunition or you might have to go get some medicine and say all right we're all working together you go here we'll go
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but you may maybe not but you may have one person in there who's a complete traitor and it's going to ruin it all
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for everyone else and it's just it's like Humanity just in a book it's like okay we've got our four bits food food
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food food food rubbish oh no we're gonna starve that's two more zombies out if someone dies I think we're gonna lose
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the game like just because someone's someone's out for themselves yeah it's just yeah
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that's a good one yeah just a quick one for you Jeff says uh obviously you've dropped in from the ceiling yeah
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John John is uh was a commissioning editor for uh Games Workshop so
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um basically commissioned our artwork and everything that wasn't warmer TV that was a woman Community there was
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external or internal uh you basically dealt with didn't you so like the influencer program which is going to be
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my question now okay about the inventory program what what was the or is because it might change because is the criteria
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criteria to getting on the influencer program how do you go about doing that if I was like I want to go on the influencer program what do I need to do
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well so there was specific criteria um when I was there and I will confess I don't remember the exact numbers but it
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was something I think I remember at the time I started you needed if you're a YouTube channel you needed 10 000
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followers yeah for your YouTube channel um and then yeah yeah and then you
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should write an email to whatever the community inbox email is and say I'd like to be part of the the either
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the influence program or whatever you want to call it and um yeah hopefully you'd get a reply
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um it can you know that inbox it back when I was doing it was not particularly well monitored by me that was my fault
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entirely but you did have like 25 000 plates of spins yes exactly but um but yeah but then I think by the time I left
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I think they'd moved that number up to you needed thirty thousand um and I think it all changed and again like like I was saying Tick Tock came in
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and suddenly it's like well what do we use the threshold for you know Tick Tock influencer or
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um and then I'm sure it will happen with threads for example if you know that really takes off it's like oh you know
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how many threads followers do you have followers on threads yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it went to because loads of
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people are on all of the platforms I think when you have a presence on pretty much everything from an official Twitter
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Okay so successful so we'd say that into account as well and especially if you were more so
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um there are a couple of people we had who were more Middle Earth focused so we'd they wouldn't get 40K stuff or AOS
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stuff but they'd get yeah Middle Earth so then that was a much smaller audience yeah it was their threshold a bit low
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we'd always say that into account and again if you were spread out over every single Channel and
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they were all quite healthy we might be like yeah all right fine okay yeah I do think it's changed a bit then because
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um and I can see why I suppose some people get a bit grumbly on the internet because there are influences out there that only have like 200 followers or a
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thousand stuff like that so I guess um whatever that criteria is yeah has obviously changed a bit
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because it makes sense if you because if you I know you hate the term influence if you're a Creator and you want to spread that out you need a following to
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spread it out okay absolutely yeah but I mean again it's if the they're in a specific space if they're doing a
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specific thing yeah and they happen to be the biggest even if their numbers are low there might be word bring on board because that's how you help grow them
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and you know I will say being nice helps I mean yeah I was always operated on the
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basis that you know I was always trying to be as nice as I could to um our partners yeah and
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um you know I've always believed that you get what you give and um I had pretty good relationship with I
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think 98 99 of the people we worked with and um
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yeah nothing nothing worth saying that but yeah it's but yeah that was always it it was just you know if you if you
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have the follower numbers um and especially you know look at if you if you wanted to become an
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influencer say um you I would also suggest Maybe
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there's probably a lot enough people doing AOS and 40K if you've got a passion for necrom under or bloodbot or
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war cry or um a smaller game system um go based on that you know say I'd
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like to you know I'm a huge into war cry I'll write loads of articles about it I'll do loads of videos I'll Tick Tock
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it I'll threads it or I'll do all of that and that might help as well yeah it's good that's very interesting yeah
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but I mean again I haven't been there three years so it may have changed yeah yeah
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I had liked my own area it's set up in a very specific way because I like being a
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left-handed I like I might want my paints there I've got my water here maybe tigo's there a couple of tools
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there so everything and then my three two one with higher priorities right what you said it's a bug bear in
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mind and I don't mind people using my space as long as they leave it as they found it yeah I'm okay with people going
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into my area and at lunch times if I'm off and going oh I'm just going to sit at Peach's desk and uses is is cut him
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out and just paint some models I'm going to bring my own paint to my own brushes I might probably and get some new water
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doesn't matter if you leave the dirty water and I'm okay with that um but when all my paints are all over
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the place hap has it and I've got a tray where it's all color coded and then when people take like 90 of them out and just
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have them in a mess yeah on my desk I'm like I spent hours color coding that thanks for screwing up my method and
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then my super glue's gone my paintbrush is going to be knife's gone and I get to my desk I'm like right okay who's been
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here oh um on your desk I was like cool I'm just going to take that keyboard and mouse then yeah yeah what what how did
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what you do is well you stop me from doing my job so I've got some gaming I want to do tonight you've got a nice
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mouse and a nice keyboard so I'm going to borrow that you know yeah mutually assured destruction I like that you clarified you know you
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initially said your space and then you said your desk because your space was always the kitchen because you were like yes
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so many people literally like the CEO will be like oh are you here again then
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do you ever work I'm like no this is my office get out Kev yeah yeah
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most often chocolate balls [Music]
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um you also commissioned art for the web comics you said yeah I worked with um I don't think they do have Comics anymore
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but um yeah we those there at the start of that and um we started off with Role
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Models my favorite set by the way whose idea was it to call the uh griffound Archibald by the way because that was oh
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I can't remember the name of gray found on lives when we did yeah I named one of the Griffin
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I thought you were fishing yeah no no no I didn't name it no I mean I named it
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for warmer line that was the name of the dog but then someone turned the dog in the web comic to be called Archie bold
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oh right yeah retrospector like yeah homage the old dead dog that got murdered several times online I think it
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would have well yeah it would have we would have just seen that and someone said well we'll have to call it yeah
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um because they they still have some work comp it's going oh good nice that's great yeah I'm glad because there were
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some great ones on there I watched uh I watched I read one recently there's like these a bunch of different Space Marines
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from chapters and they're like escorting a little girl around oh yeah and one of them like kills a necron and picks up
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his skull checks no one's watching and then starts reciting Shakespeare yeah um and then the necron starts to reanimate
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and he stamps on it that's um that's big brothers which is done by
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um uh that's real U10 um who's from Hong Kong um uh yeah he did a few uh he did that
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great one I don't even remember what chaos undecided yes chaos yeah there's only 10 episodes but it was great it was
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a legion a World chapter decided to turn to chaos and they wanted to check what what Legion should they join and so they
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go to each one of the different nine Legions and they decide they're all cerebral
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he's like hey brothers and his arm just falls off as he's waving I'm like no don't want to be there you know but then
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go and see the night Lords and they're like where is everyone this guy just appears behind them no no don't like
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them don't like them either oh that sounds amazing I I think is like something I've I think what we discussed
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yesterday a little bit was that you can kind of tell how how healthy a community is so like by
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the amount of memes that get generated and I think I I like the web comics because Games Workshop self-aware enough
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to like know like the funny elements of it and I think that should be commended
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yeah and that was one I always had to well occasionally I had to argue on Royal years behalf
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um because they wanted to change like an editorial they wanted to change the way someone looked and I'd be like no that's like the perfect meme face that will go
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all over the Internet space Marine with his eyes and a happy sort of like smiley face on a helmet and they're like but
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helmets don't do that it's like yeah but no but don't think that's not the point it looks brilliant though it's like okay
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okay so I'm making it real is it yeah no in fact you know what uh I Dr Jeff
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um who did the spanners webcomic the awkward yeah was that you Jeff afraid not no doctor and barber yeah I didn't
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have my PhD Dr Jeff he actually was a doctor of I
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think astrophysics or something and decided he didn't like that so just started drawing Comics nice
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um and I hate space yeah exactly and he just he was he's lovely he's one of the
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loveliest people completely mad but lovely and he's done a game that he's
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definitely tried I've seen him trial it's called biscuit Wars oh and you play it with biscuits oh my God on a map oh
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my God I think like when you defeat someone you eat their biscuit I think that's what it is
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um yeah so would you like if is it like in my head now I'm thinking risk and you
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have like an army one one biscuit counts as an army two biscuit Stacks three biscuits and if you defeat you have to
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like defeat the stack and you have to eat the stuff you'll have to chat with him that sounds about right I've seen a
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picture in this uh like play testing it and I was like yeah that's def that's looks like I wonder if you can talk about dunking them into tears
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wouldn't it oh yeah
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Liz hates the term clout because it's like a lady device on the Victorian areas all right sensitive areas
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yeah it's not I still don't know she'd probably correct me now in the comments I wanna know it's this
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um and something else again no it's this yeah but yeah she's like why do you keep using the word clout it's horrible okay
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I'm sorry you'd be like clown because because I'm an influencer babe and I've got clowns
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yeah I really liked the web comics uh I read most of them um I did like the the
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storm castly Role Models one yeah that was my favorite the law yeah a couple of those yeah sorry I wrote a couple of
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them did you yeah we were short a couple of scripts and I just wrote them out and I got which ones do you remember which ones I did one where they
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um they're walking through a forest and and Archibald is growling at a rock and they're like what's wrong with him the
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rock lifts itself up and it's a giant um what's that big Iron Jaws Dragon oh the uh more Crusher yeah it's one of them
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and Johanna shows them all how to run away yeah yeah okay Johan if you don't know is the little man running away from
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the giant yes oh yeah yeah for one reason or another we wanted to paint one for warmer community and I painted and
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get the little woman Community badge on his T-shirt at the front because we used to have the gray shirts yeah um which
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had its own name in internally with other companies which I don't know I hated um and you have like the symbol on the
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back so I just painted him to this shirt sort of like the warmer TV gray but the the badge on the back and he became like
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the little poster boy for a lot into Role Models weirdly yeah and well it started off with Forge World though
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didn't it because Fortune used to include a shot of Johan in all of their monsters they did yeah that's right yeah
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yeah unfortunately blamed for a lot of things yeah we do we do absolutely we do we're to
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blame them for nakamundo which is a good players the best yeah [Music] that's good
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um so how long were you a workshop for then because it's about three and a half years without longer thanks
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um yeah yeah well it's well they're over covered
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so you know time warped into a strange place but yes um but yeah it was I I was there very
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much at the time when Community went from being able to fit everyone in the old white dwarf office when it was quite
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small and yeah well you and Duncan were in the room next door yes yeah we had like a little TV group yeah editors and
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videographers then obviously yeah all the all the righty people yeah to then go into like 100 people or whatever it
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was and yeah so over that time period was was there so a lot of change I think yeah it just feels longer because I mean
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I was only in I started when Charlie was born he's literally going to turn six this month
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and I've been out of the business for a year yeah so um which is a which means I can't
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now return with my 10-year status no uh so oh well
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um but yeah so I've always like I'm sure I was there longer than five years because it felt longer than five years
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maybe that's just the effective Community you just feel like you've been there longer well a lot yeah it was it was always busy yeah I'd never been
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going back to a job uh outside of warhound community afterwards I felt
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really guilty because I wasn't rushing around doing stuff all the time and I was like people like no this is what normal people is you don't have to be
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like running around an office for why are we running around I mean I had to collect things and you'd go and see
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people be like oh yeah someone's got some uh Miniatures that you need to go pick up and take the photography Turner
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right okay do that and then you come back inside and be like oh you got this book it's like no it's in the post room so you have to run to the poster and get the book hand it over and then someone
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be like oh there's a guy in the hall who's got this amazing army you've got to go and see it's all right go out to the hall go and see that and then you'd
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sit down and be lunchtime and be like all right I've got to go to lunch come back sit down and then it'll all start again yeah you know and eventually you
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get through emails and you'll be like I could do one email and African I mean most of my days are spent splitting Duncan Smarties into colors
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yeah so you have to do that anyway yeah rather I mean I remember the violence yeah it was terrifying
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you know so I don't know that to be in like like rainbow order as well yeah
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nothing less brown was tricky yeah where does brown fit in the rainbow I used to put it between green and red just in
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case you didn't notice yeah but he did notice oh yeah they'll never fix that wall
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it's just got pictured like a ship of me yeah it's terrible you used to be quite
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strong when he got mad he looked at the car once yeah he did yeah yeah yeah with Kevin in it it was yeah it is it's way
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less yeah it was absolutely didn't have a choice yeah yeah
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I used to uh I used to love uh having John uh walk by because we've got some mints that we'll just offering some
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mints there used to be a selection of like Marie mints and humbugs Glacier mints yeah well I like the
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butternuts tonight yeah I do like they last long yeah but humbugs I've got like
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I reckon a a minute to two minute life expectancy yeah it was quite sure
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and I I do bite hard when I got into my mouth yeah but I mean after I left I
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lost about half a state because it may have been responsible for some diabetes look at the sugar in that but
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only I don't know oh yes it is in proper traffic like that it's got all the colors
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I won't get cramped yeah
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so obviously you left Workshop yeah um sad times for me yeah it unlocks well
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thank you yeah and also you've got some stuff here so John does some amazing freehand uh he's done like uh Titans and
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not Imperial knights with like almost John blanche-esque battle scenes I've done a few little ones yeah
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um your Instagram page is now my life of Miniatures does it still show those things on it yeah I I've had to sort of
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go back through and find bit space and every now again I go to point out someone like oh I've never uploaded that I need to put it back on there and um
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yes it's freehanding is always a passion of mine which came from um a slight mistake on my part which was
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I decided years ago to I wanted to Space Marine Army as you do everyone has a face where you did A Space Marine Army
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don't you and um unless I was paid today I knew you
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wouldn't but yeah um I I wanted a chapter I didn't want to make my own but I didn't want one of the well-known ones
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so I wanted to do it and I decided to do more to factors on the basis that I thought the emblem is just a skull it's like
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great games watch the shoulder pad of the skull and just buy loads of those perfect
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what's the one thing that Gainesville should don't put skulls on shoulder pads
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everything else everything else not a shoulder you can get the Silver Skulls one yeah you could at the time but
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that's got the sort of stylized Grill at the bottom yeah right so I had to I was like well what am I
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gonna do and I thought I could do transfers but I was always rubbish at transfers it's because at the time this
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is long before I worked at Workshop I'd never heard of Microsoft and Micro Center and I never bothered learning
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about glossing it and massing it and doing all that stuff so I said what am I going to do and I thought I'm gonna have to paint skulls
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I'm gonna have to paint a lot of skulls and the first ones did I was quite proud of the time but I looked back on now and
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they were pretty ropey they were terrible actually but the last ones I did by the time I did uh my hundredth
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and something skull I was pretty good at painting skulls I've seen your battle scenes so well yeah thank you well it's
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I took a model to a Forge World open day and it ended up getting into an email and it's because it was a multi-factors
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chapter master that I'd made out of a Forge World prey tour and I'd put a big boarding shield on him and I'd done a
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big skull on the boarding shield and everyone was cooing over the skull and uh great and then I realized it's all I
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really what I really liked was that Journey from I don't know if you ever watch Adventure Time where um yeah where Jake says um
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kind of sucking at something is the first step to being kind of good at something and I really like that journey
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of getting from kind of sucking at something to being quite good at something and I always thought they were
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quite a cool chapter yeah because the first time I came into contact with them they were in whatever that guy they did
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a series of books about an ultramarine Muriel Ventress thank you yeah and he ends up on one of their ships and he's
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really yes because it's just like polished Schools they're like they're an
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ultra in success yeah but they they like from a planet that's like virtually in constant Darkness
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yes like that sort of like we'll work with
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them but just try not to talk to them if you can help it yeah okay yeah um yes Warriors of Ultramar by year of Interest
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which is uh by Graham McNeil no no please I want it to be right here yeah
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he was doing awesome start with dear diary but yes he does
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ghost there well they live in a space station about their plan yeah because their planet's all in darkness and and
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they sort of go oh there are they're ultramarine successes they'll be on our side of course and they open the door and this guy's just like smeared with
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Ash and like covered in skulls like years
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and uh it's uh yes no girlfriend they fight this battle the old friends are sort of in their perfect line and doing
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their everything by the book at the multifact is just charging forward into these tear and it's like
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was that is one of the Space Marine battles one and it's the flesh Terriers teaming up with the Nova Marines the Nova Marines are more ultramarine than
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ultramarine and they sort of knock on the flesh terror's door to be like oh they're a brother they're blood angels successes they're they'll be fine
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they're great In the Flesh Terror pretty much opens the door wiping or the um the blood drink as they are oh yeah the
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drink yeah it opens the door just like wiping blood off in my hair yeah
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um yes very upstanding Space Marines definitely don't drink a lot of blood it's
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absolutely fine what's the chapter name oh coincidence all the others were taken you know
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had to be blood something we've had blood
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for some reason I don't know why but yeah that was the book that I read to get a lot of this stuff from for when I'm painting and yeah and just
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went painting skulls and then just I was like what else can I paint what else can I can I paint stars and that's why I
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ended up my um uh stormcast Army are all sort of washed out quite judging them quite
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blunt it too with all sort of rust and streaks and I just got black star on a Korean
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background that's their only sort of identify marking I'm glad to mention that because
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um I've always seen the stuff you do is very blunt shitsu um and that's something Blanche obviously started oh
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would have been like the 90s 2000s they had articles in white dwarf on it um it's I love his artwork and I love
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the stylist but I've never fancied or been driven to paint Miniatures and that stuff but I know it's a massive
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following and as someone who obviously likes that kind of stuff what is it that draws you into the the bunch it's a sort of style the painting as opposed to just
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the the wacky conversions and the I suppose it's well yeah it's it's it is that degree of imagination it is also
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that Grim dark thing and I think so when I put you on spot no no it's a
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good question we're more than 40 000 star sale it was it was very much a British Science Fiction and British
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Science Fiction is inherently funny and a bit silly and a bit tragic you know it's sort of British people wandering around space going I don't know what
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we're doing here um and then by Third Edition um it had morphed into more of an
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American Science Fiction where it's you know his superheroes in space yeah everyone's serious everyone's going to
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win the day and be the good guys what Blanche stuff did was it straddled
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all of that and it never really changed and it gave you a sort of outlet that
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wasn't linked to a specific science fiction it was more linked to an artistic style that's more
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it can be anything yeah um and it really plows into that Grim
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dark feel yeah and it's that that Grim duck is I don't know where that comes from I
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don't know what whether that was part of the British Science Fiction that starts out or part of the American or if it just organically came out of 1000 and
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just and and John's artwork because it's his stuff is still incredible oh yes you
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look at it and you just say how where's that living in your brain that you can translate that into it his art is into I've always loved his art and I love
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that the sort of like the scratchiness of like the the mark making and stuff like that it's always been
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like mad but sort of if I imagine you went on to like some kind of weird apothecary's
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battle barge there's about barge it's full of like I don't know some weird pseudoscience Apothecary for one of the
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Morty factors he's got his term of like knowledge and dire and so it's that kind of level of like I'm a mad man making
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sketches yeah exactly I've experimented on yeah and it's just like yeah that's that that's the style he did but
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um yeah I've always loved it I love seeing the stuff that people might have seen the stuff you do I I like converting stuff like but I've never
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gone down the blanchi Tzu route but I know it's a huge following with people that go down oh yeah of course but I
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think what you were saying there about just allowing your imagination to sort of go no that's where the painting comes
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in as well because you can you're working more in the abstract than the literal you're not trying to Edge highlight everything you're using heavy
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washes you're using inks um you'll you'll you want something to be representative not literal so you
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don't want something to look you don't want it to paint it like it looks like a gun yeah you paint
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what the shapes that are of the gun in a certain way and you use a lot of methods
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to darken those and and just slightly lift them back up to sort of create those the tonal shifts in it it's not
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like every metal always works at like really high contrast plunge it so it's very low contrast yeah you know with a
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couple of color pops here and there yeah the skin isn't it's like the Skins usually stands out quite a lot I've been like an almost seep here with like
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blemishes and stuff on it and the gun's just like dark yeah yeah yeah I I they'll put myself in this terrible
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position of saying this okay I'm not the biggest Blanche fan but the thing I
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always oh and when people go how can you not like John plant Peak you you can't you can't switch Arts while you oh you
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perceive our thing of course but what I always have said is although I don't
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overly like his style of of painting what I think as a conceptual design as a
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man who comes up with design system of what will eventually become a toy soldier I I just think second to no no
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no the the imagination I'll obviously for me it's um where I think it hits my
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that hits the sweet spot for me is I Love The Blanche conceptual ideas and
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then for me when they get good when it gets to where I like it is when Carl Kaminski gets old of it and goes I'll
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take flying baby with scroll and turn it into the gothicness of yeah and that's
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that's my point of it but you think you need John to have got you there in the first place and so for as much as his
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art style isn't my bag is his imagination is you know yeah you know I pray at the old sort of his imagination
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maybe not his art style really yeah that's fine fair enough for everyone aged their own yeah it's yeah but I mean
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for me it was it was seeing his stuff in second edition um in the rule books like his little
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incidents illustrations always remember one is um it's sort of like a castle with it that's shaped like a big skull at the
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top and I think there's a little guy on a on a horseback or something it's like but this is supposed to be sci-fi and this looks like a misty morning
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oh but hang on yeah there's a giant gun coming out the top of the castle or something like that and it's like oh
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this is yeah that's the idea of being more science fantasy than science fiction yeah um and I suppose that's another part of
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lunch I mean yeah I mean I'm not the you know the greatest Exemplar of it but I do enjoy it because it's just so it's
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an excuse me grimy and just yeah fun with stuff and I never attended it but I remember um Tim Malloy who works in the archive
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and Tim he's a he's a huge fan of John's stuff and they did a I don't know if you were part of it like they did an event in one world which was like um I think
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it was the steps of the palette the empress no I would those a little bit before yeah and it was just everyone brought their own little war band to
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like an inquisitorial War band of just Madness and I can't remember what was going off it was like there there was something being
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transported like some weird body or yes yeah some kind of relative carried up
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the stairs and they made like all the stairs and those models and all these War bands were just duking out to try
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and like someone to stop stopping it from coming through others were like trying to get it in there yeah and I'm not sure if it was like to kill the
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emperor to do some of the Emperor or whatever but um the photos are sort of like white
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dwarf was just like it just looked like it was straight from his artwork wasn't it yeah yeah yeah it is I know you know
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there are a lot of people like so that far more gifts out than I am who really have taken its whole new levels and you
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know just make it look insane and wonderful and yeah I did play one game with John once which was um I've got
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some friends at the Hackney area tabletop Enthusiast club or hey Club yeah okay I'm friends with a couple of
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people oh good nice yeah um so yeah the the hey guys we're up um and they did this thing called Death
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Race and you bought a couple of like custom buggies I think the idea it was set somewhere on Kimora
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um and it was like just a straight circuit you know um a big loop and he
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did two laps of it with your two little buggies and you could fight and they were quite independent and fun little
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rules for for those sort of things and um yeah John came along and brought a
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little speed along with him and um yeah it's just wonderful to see him there having fun and playing a game amazing
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yeah yeah yeah because I think he attended that uh Empress oh yeah he would have done definitely yeah yeah um yeah it's always
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nice when you get like the the person that has created that that whole style and that ethos and then they just rock
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up we're like I brought some stuff yeah I know I don't care what you brought you're going in the game yeah and it's
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it's really nice seeing him now now that he's finished up with Games Workshop um he's disappeared in a couple of
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videos already on on YouTube talking about stuff and and I'm sure he's gonna be
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um try and get him on here at some point yeah
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that's all right John but you know I'm sure he'll be putting out more stuff for his own as well which I can't wait
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to see because yeah I've got a couple of his I've got things like rat Spike and Voodoo forests and and again it's just
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that level of imagination yeah interesting I always liked his Femme Fatale oh yeah militants I think it was
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like four figures and stuff and I remember having a chat with someone there's quite a few and I mean luckily because of this position you've got
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people like jazz to make them yeah yeah um yeah all sorts of great things oh that's amazing I just remember the
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tins because there was like loads of like tins of like a stylized stiletto I think it was like almost like a skull
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going to a stiletto um and they're just it was just like I've got loads of these I don't need them I like took like 20 of them my wife
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likes shoes as well so she's done oh yeah cool can I have some of those tins please yeah but most of them just got cards and tokens and stuff like that
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yeah kept them for years no I'd love to have a girl in one of those matches the funny thing with John is that when he
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turns his own style down slightly you ends up with some of the most iconic boxes like the cover to the um the
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original sisters of battle with you know the with the the the the the I think she's meant to be like a cannon S one or
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Canon s Viridian yeah so I've got that picture up there yeah yeah yeah yeah and then and then again
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when he um he toned it down and did the um that famous black Templars on a hill
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yeah and the funny thing is with them I adore them yeah it's just like when it goes way the other way I'm a bit oh no I
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can't cope it's too yeah I suppose the difference between like cover art and yeah exactly well is that John Blanche
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up the top yeah top of the middle as well you did a lot for necromander yeah
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there's a great myth that um he actually uh they said oh we're gonna do this game
51:33
about gangs in 140 000 in in a hive City can you come up with some ideas and he went to bugman's for lunch sketched out
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the first six games and brought them back they went yeah that's him yeah I mean that may be a complete myth in
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complete fabrication I don't hope it's not though no the answer is Legends I've talked to someone recently and
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um I think originally it was called uh confrontation yes that's right and
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then for a time they were going to call it Street violence but then they
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as a separate thing for um Foundry they made their own range
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and I don't know if that's like a brain Ansel sort of because yeah I think well
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I think he did yeah yeah but yeah so Street violence and confrontation are both separate well you know
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confrontational um but yeah as I said I didn't know that until quite recently I've always thought
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it was necromondo it's like no two names yeah I don't know if it was Street violence first then confrontation and then they come under all your way around
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yeah it'd be nice like um talking about a lot of the time reckoned at this like
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um I think it was twice a year uh magazine but it was like it was like buying a full color codex it was
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magazine is doing it's not it's like Journal is probably the best and they
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used to come out a couple of times a year and um it was called cry havoc and what I
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loved about it was that the art in it was very very very French very comic book French art but you know you loved
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was that when you looked at a minute when they had a spread of a piece of art and over a miniature that wasn't out yet
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is you'd look at it and no matter how crazy it looked the miniature will come out it would look just like that yeah I
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like that and I think it's a shame with with John blanche's work that be nice if some of the things that were made were
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the absolute spit of yeah I think the closest we've probably got in a while is um that he's a Primus primarist no he's
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not left uh castellan for the for the blacks yeah he's literally exactly yeah
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the same as the this is from that black templar's piece of art there's been a couple of love more of that yeah I mean
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the thing is it's more if uh he did that wonderful range of really concert and the point of concerta is to give a
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sculptor something just to work I've got an ideal like I'm doing a what so and the concert's job is to give that person
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an idea of what to do and if you see His Brilliant collection of he did all the primarks an individual portrait of each
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one and if you look at them compared to the 4-12 primers you can see so many details that they just lifted straight
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out of those they didn't do exact proportions they didn't do you know just like sanguines his wings don't curl over and they're not enormous but they were
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like right oh they're that big okay so they'll need to make them like that sort of size the his sort of sun thing coming
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up behind his his head and all that so all that detail is there but it's it's how it's yeah the sculptor translating
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it from the concept artist yeah and they're very highly revered those uh four twelve Primark schools aren't they
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yeah like lots of people talk very very fondly of them I think they are certainly high-end painters sort of
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canvas if you like them yeah to like really work into and stuff yeah I've I've done Conrad curves before he was
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fun but I've I've had sanguineous for ages and I just can't I'm waiting I'm
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building myself up to do some good things because it's the stuff I look on a glass cabinet and go oh that's cool nope I mean no but not it's not even
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affordable kit I've got um can't wait for that guy uh I mean I
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really want to paint fulcrum as well but I'm just I'm at the point I've got in dress there's a age of Sigma
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um stormcast lady uh Mega I've converted it so she's on not on the stairs because that's a really nice I want that base
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just for something else to be on the same sort of Base in style so I've basically built a I had some spare
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sources she's got two swords um and she's got the wings but I didn't glue the wings until they pop off and everything is like done and built in my
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mind to make my life easier so the wings are sprayed white they pop off so I can just do what I want with those separately and then I can just do the
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old standard gold trim and this that the other but I want to make a good so she's just been in my cabinet for a year just going paid me I hate to be PHL like I
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will I want to make you good you have to wait 14 000 models later I'll get to you
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oh yeah so I've got plenty of that but yeah I will get around to doing that she's like my sort of I guess treat for
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doing a little bit that would probably be the last bit I'll probably be the last death guard player
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ever to ever paint material yeah fine I think I might just be able to paint well enough to ever go at it yeah Green
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Spring greenbrush and Bone just get some typhus corrosion in there a little bit of noodles right you sorted yeah yeah
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well the thing is if you did a neat you'd be doing the card of the service with me exactly
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it's just like priming throw him in a puddle yeah a streaking Grime yeah
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about a week later yeah um so before we start the chat uh you
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said you listened to our conversation with curios um yes and
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um on that discussion of leaks and stuff yeah you said you wanted to talk yeah
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around that topic it was just something that Kerry have mentioned that I thought I'd I'd bring up just because
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um you know leaks are and you know the most annoying thing in the world you're wearing some crappy little grainy
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picture comes out and it's like oh well that's around three weeks that we've all been planning and
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so yeah we'd I remember happening a couple of times where something would be leaks I can't
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remember I think there was a store in it was I think it was a GW store in Malaysia or Singapore somewhere like
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that that had accidentally put out a box that a bit was being released and
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they put it in the store and someone taken place of it and off it went and around the world and it was like okay that's not coming out for however long
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and we've got to deal with that now um so all of the uh partners that we'd
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sent the product to um we had told them like okay
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um 22nd of June that's the day you can publish your stuff uh that's uh the
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disclosure date you can do it wherever you like with it after that point um it was probably the beginning of June
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at some point and I get the message from my managers that he tell the you know it's all out there now
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there's no point in keeping it secret you can tell all the influences that they can publish this
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stuff and so I'd send this email and it annoyed more of them than it made them
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happy because if you think if you're if you're a miniature painter and uh you do it professionally and uh you factored in
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the time to do it and suddenly someone goes oh I'm gonna take the last two weeks away from you there yeah yeah because yeah yeah so scheduled your own
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time yeah the painters would often go back to me and saying it's not ready I haven't got it done okay I'm not going to get it done for a couple of weeks
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it's like fine and then you get other people especially people who are working on YouTube videos who were in the middle
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of editing when you said oh you can go live with it now and they're like oh can't I you know yeah why
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it really annoyed more of them than it made happy I suppose from our point of view I can appreciate that more because
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there'll be some that uh either don't have as much editing to do or they um
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can edit faster or have a shorter um sort of okay video so it doesn't take
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as long to edit that they're going to get their stuff out first which is then they're going to get all the football and it's just going to take away from
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some of the people that spent I'm not saying that anyone spent more work than others it's just like no but I suppose it's all coming out at the same time
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yeah there's almost like it's an arms race now yeah so like if it was a codex for example if you've got a guy who uh
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is sat in front of his screen um reading out talking to uh his
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audience and is doing a really great job with it that is a lot less involved than someone who has invited someone else
59:25
over to have a game yeah has Dead all the gaming footage and you know editing an actual footage of a game we know
59:31
takes absolutely ages to get it you know and it's a state you want it so and you
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can start any earlier because you only get the samples exactly so it's like exactly you could argue like well you
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know maybe you should have a couple of weeks buffer and start a month in advance yeah but I don't get the things until this point so I can't physically
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start the thing until this point yeah and because some you know if someone's took a potato cam
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yep of the thing and that was the other thing I'll say when I was looking after all the influences
1:00:00
I would I'd swear on this not a single one of them ever leaked anything and it
1:00:06
was always when something did like I'd I'd get told about it I walk in the office in the morning get towards things
1:00:12
like to be like oh great so that's what today's going to be about is it yeah and then I'd also get someone kind of say we
1:00:18
need to check it wasn't one of your people I was like it wasn't one of my why are they gonna shoot themselves in the foot we'll find out it's them
1:00:24
we just stop sending them stuff yeah the ruins that you know they're trying to make a career out of the YouTube channel
1:00:29
for example well I've just ruined it for them and people that generally post stuff online know how to take good
1:00:34
pitches yes exactly that's another key thing too yes I did lose my rag once at Workshop because we it was when the
1:00:40
commonweight Horace heresy set it was it was either like burning a Prosper or something like that it was like a load
1:00:45
of plastics were coming out for um Horus heresy to go in a game
1:00:51
and we had a couple of new starters and they had got some stuff and they were painted in there it was like literally
1:00:57
when you've done it goes in the cabinet it's locked at night you go out the door because we had like a little painting room and some stuff had been leaked and
1:01:03
it was like a load of sprues on a Lino floor um and it was like photographed yeah and
1:01:08
we had some people from Miniatures come up and I mean they're only doing their job granted but what I know me was they wouldn't let it lie so they came up and
1:01:16
they they came to like okay some pitchman Elite can we check everyone's desks I was like what do you mean it's
1:01:21
like we need to check everyone's desk I was like that's not a desk that's a floor they're like yeah but we need to check everyone's desk to make sure I was
1:01:27
like well there's only two people working on it and the spruce you gave us all the sprues are on the desks because they've not started building them yet so
1:01:33
nothing's been built oh sorry no no they had been real so that's the thing they've all been built and they were built yesterday when did this leak
1:01:39
happen or it just happened last night and it's just come through this morning I was like well that company it's not no one in here because they were built
1:01:45
yesterday yeah um and they're still finishing off some mold line stuff like yeah but we need to check the desk I was like no
1:01:51
I've told you there's the door you can leave and they just won't let it lie and
1:01:56
I had to go through like a whole load of like chats with like my boss and their boss I was like trust me yeah these guys
1:02:03
would not leaked anything because they were built yesterday when this thing happened so they couldn't have like gone to some random presuming I mean maybe
1:02:10
they obviously I trust you and your judgment and your staff but would you think they'd be like Oh I'm gonna I'm
1:02:16
gonna take a picture then I'm gonna build it and then I'll post it no it wouldn't be possible because one they
1:02:22
were built before the league yeah sorry they could take the picture a few days ago or did they start building
1:02:27
like the stuff was locked that line did not exist yeah it did not exist at Games
1:02:32
Workshop right okay yeah those things were locked in the cabin at the end of the night yes and they were oh right yeah okay yeah yeah and so so nothing
1:02:41
matched up with anything that happened in that room and I'm just like I was like I'm getting really annoyed with this now yeah okay yeah
1:02:47
okay yeah yeah I wasn't quite sure yeah that's the way I explained it because I'm an idiot so it's not often help but
1:02:54
I was a lot more uh direct at that point now whereas now I'm just a bit more of an Arty party artist it's a bit
1:03:00
Whimsical a little bit like oh it's just a bit artifacting it's the way to be done yeah but yeah that that was like a
1:03:07
good bear with me with like sometimes we get leaks there would be I hate to use the word Witch Hunt but it was very sort
1:03:13
of like there would be yes inquisitions yes yes we need to you need to open your
1:03:19
draw and share with your stuff I'm like I've been here 20 years do you really think I want to know something no yeah
1:03:25
if you had any sort of skin in a project and whether from like a designing
1:03:31
standpoint or um you know for us if we sort of designed a marketing campaign for
1:03:36
something that took you know a month or something not that I didn't watch that design but if that had been created you
1:03:41
know it's just screws everyone over so it's it was always probably someone who just wanted internet points yeah yeah that
1:03:47
didn't really care about Warhammer to be honest I bet that store as well because I I would I almost can feel the the
1:03:54
story so that's happened new key timer comes in manager goes empty that box spot the shelves please yeah new keys
1:03:59
Hammer doesn't really know the full range of the models at this point just going cool random hobbyist it's been around for years goes that's new I know
1:04:06
that yeah the internet I know they're gonna like this yeah yeah new stuff and was like oh what's going on yeah you see
1:04:13
it all the time and um because I keep my hand done a little bit with um collecting Star Wars figures oh and you
1:04:19
see it all the time in like an American Walmart yeah this year these aren't meant to be out until I end up now
1:04:25
coming in both the whole race yeah yeah I think that happened I'm trying to
1:04:32
remember when because when I was there in case which I started doing these like um entry games that went were sold on in
1:04:38
Target in the US and Barnes and Noble yeah Barnes and Noble and really good games by the way which we don't sell in
1:04:43
the UK which
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that's exactly what it was yes um but yes I'm sure one of them one of those
1:04:57
ended up in a Barnes Noble like months before it was supposed to be revealing great we've got to push all this forward
1:05:03
and yeah because there's combat Arena which was all of the Blackstone Fortress uh escalation models that you couldn't
1:05:09
get yes um which was so efficient I was like but that was based on that um ALS game
1:05:16
it was the corn Slaughter piss or something yes yeah yes a gorgeous which I still have and it's a great game it's
1:05:21
a great game whoever uh I think oh yeah it was James Shields yeah but doesn't work in 40K because
1:05:27
everyone's got guns you don't have to move yeah you just are they all the standard there's no movement see this annoys me with that game is what they
1:05:32
should have done was done uh the arena of Kamara yeah right and give them daggers yep and the only people that
1:05:39
have guns if they're guns at all are like the little filament line and the weird sort of like because it'll be the
1:05:45
witch's fine the witches out to use their Hydra gauntlets they like to like to use their horrible shredding blade things
1:05:51
um they're just horrible people the dark elves are generally the Dark Eldar Jakari oh God I'm gonna get canceled now
1:05:56
because they said their names all wrong uh space elves that are dark uh bondage elves that's what they actually are on
1:06:02
the bonded girls well some of them are certainly yeah yeah well I mean they left the party early so that saves out
1:06:08
uh I haven't talked about this before about the end of the birth of Slash yeah
1:06:13
like cool this is a bit too and they're they're the bad ones they're the real
1:06:19
mad ones and what was going on in that town just they were like I'm just gonna stick to skin in people yeah he's
1:06:25
stitching his mouth after his bomb why let's get out let's go to Kamara let's make our own town this is weird I always
1:06:32
get thinking of the Hedonism but from Futurama John beer the chocolate sauce just this
1:06:38
robot it looks made to look like he's reclining on her she's long yeah just having this sort of big muscular man
1:06:44
spooning chocolate sauce onto his stomach he's like I haven't thought about that in so yeah
1:06:52
that's what I always imagine the fall of the Eldar was the chocolate sauce
1:07:04
[Applause] um cool so you um have your own podcast
1:07:12
I do my live in Miniatures yeah yes you decided to slum it and have me on uh and
1:07:19
I'm so sorry because I was late as well because there was traffic because you're sat there patiently waiting for an hour I was Peach is stuck in traffic well you
1:07:25
no but you were very good because you were there in in your Leathers it's soaking wet and you're like let's just
1:07:31
do it now let's do it now I've got a traffic no it's great you were great just when the two of you meet it rains a
1:07:37
lot yes yeah yeah I think that's right there you go I was going to say like peachy turned up today soaking wet I'm
1:07:43
like I get wet in leather when John's around this is true I have this effect on you don't I yeah so follow the odor
1:07:50
all over again yes
1:07:55
um yeah no so when I left workshop I sort of thought well again in lockdown
1:08:01
you know one of the things happening lockdown everyone decided they wanted to do the podcast because it was something you can do on your own with a microphone
1:08:06
in your room um but I had a thought think about what I wanted to do and I what I'd learned being a commissioning
1:08:14
editor and like I said my favorite thing was always talking to people who had called armies like whether they were
1:08:19
someone often someone would grab me in in the office to be go to what I'm look there's a guy in there he's got this
1:08:26
incredible Army you've got to go and see it and I'd go over and see him go this is beautiful and you made all these things and you've converted every single
1:08:31
piece on here and you've painted it beautifully would you like to write an article and they'd always say yes because it's a yeah you want to talk about their work and it's great and and
1:08:39
I did that for those years and what I realized was everyone's got a nice story
1:08:44
about where how the hobby came into the life and their journey through it and it my
1:08:51
idea was just to essentially take the form out of desert island discs like and and turn it into about minutes it's like
1:08:57
how did you start off what was the first thing you you got into what what made you walk into a Games Workshop for the
1:09:03
first time or or didn't have to be against Workshop might be yeah you got given an air fix kit for Christmas which
1:09:08
you can usually tell the age of someone actually if it's like my age it's usually air fixed for Christmas and then
1:09:14
younger people tends to be walked into a Games Workshop um and then all the way through to
1:09:19
something they can talk about they've just finished painting and it was and it's just lovely hearing that story and what each of the Miniatures that they
1:09:25
pick out means to them and why they're proud of it and and how they paint it and yeah yeah it's just and it's been
1:09:31
really nice and we've done 25 episodes um season three has been quite short
1:09:36
um I might try and get another episode out before the end of the year but uh it was cut short because of the birth of my
1:09:42
daughter so um I've got other more important things to do yeah she uh in
1:09:47
Spanish she's my favorite miniature ever so that's just way better than are you looking at it later on
1:09:53
I think she's pretty she's pretty much uh mint and perfect as she is so
1:09:58
um but yeah uh so no spider legs no no spider legs on her um but yeah so that's that's kind of
1:10:05
this one a bit short but next next year hoping to get going again and yeah we just sit down talk for an hour I mean
1:10:11
I'm quite I feel quite lucky because when I do it I do it over zoom and it's just I never put my face on screen so
1:10:18
um I don't have to worry about how I look and everyone else just talk about it and I don't have to edit that much because editing the sound is hard enough
1:10:25
I yeah certainly do not envy without having to edit um officials I mean I've talked about it loads previously but
1:10:31
this is why I've got this little box and now I can edit as I go so I'll be like oh cool yeah let's go to your clothes
1:10:38
this is isn't it yes I thought you were going to say something else Cod piece yeah yeah
1:10:45
um we're going back to Camara you know yeah um watch what happens when I take it up to four
1:10:51
uh where does that go where does where does four go Four's Jeff oh hey Jeff yeah yeah that is four of course and
1:10:57
then two is you [Music] see my face for radio see that's what I
1:11:05
should uh I've been doing that as well I've just seen it there's no face but no well not always but other things yeah
1:11:12
um no we uh We've also shared quite a few guests as well because I mean I've had people like um Rich gray yeah we've
1:11:21
had a few um golden demon winners and and Slayer sword winners and also just people from
1:11:27
all over the hobby as well so it's um good spread yeah good spread it's been really nice and uh and obviously I I
1:11:34
always remember walking past your desk at work and you were when War Cry came out you just went so deep into it with
1:11:40
your witch elves well it was when you were doing the little Library I brought this off on the podcast as well and you actually had the
1:11:47
war cry rule book in the library and I did a little board game of Warcraft there you go yes exactly and I was just
1:11:53
always in awe of it I was like yes peachy is definitely and obviously I remember seeing a photo of you in a book
1:11:58
at Games Workshop a really old one and it was if someone like
1:12:03
John blanche's birthday or something and you'd gone to the trip the old trip to Jerusalem oh yes yeah there's you and
1:12:09
Duncan and you look like a teenager yes we would and you're just teenagers like sipping up half the side of the eyes
1:12:20
[Laughter] but yeah so you know and so yeah I like
1:12:26
talking to everyone and all sorts about you know like I said every single person's got a good story and I like
1:12:33
trying to help people tell it and yeah but yeah picking you is pretty easy you know when I knew you'd left Workshop I
1:12:38
was like okay I was just I feel like a bit of a vulture waiting outside Warhammer world
1:12:45
just being like who's quick and say oh yeah yeah yeah
1:12:51
it's there's so many people that have got interesting stories you're right and unfortunate moment you know there's so
1:12:57
many still in workshops that you can't talk to because well it's not like it but it's part of
1:13:03
the contract that you can't really be talking to Exodus unless it's like because we've done interviews in the past with people
1:13:10
um when I've been in marketing but it has to go through so many like hoops and hurdles to make sure yeah it's okay they're legit yeah you can't say these
1:13:16
things you have to say this thing so I totally get it yeah oh no it's when they've gone on they're free you can just like yeah let's talk we're almost
1:13:23
getting to the point where we're going to start forging resignation letters are zombies
1:13:33
tomorrow yeah I had my notice informants okay I've been working for three for two
1:13:41
yeah no it's yeah it's been really fun and I'm looking forward to next thing like I said I might try and squeeze one
1:13:46
more out yes oh yeah I've got that tonight I've got a
1:13:52
podcast uh tonight as well which when this airs was last week the week before um but I'm like I've got to make sure I
1:13:58
get Charlie and I changed like we have to play Monopoly at least once in the morning before he goes to school and one
1:14:04
before he goes to bed wow that's impressive because it's generally a game that hates families yeah well it's Junior Monopoly and it's a roller it's a
1:14:11
theme park theme and you buy little ticket booths and it's pocket money and stuff like that and he loves Steve well
1:14:17
it doesn't steal my money but it's just like uh like Daddy uh you you you know
1:14:23
you've landed on this you have to pay me this I'm like yeah yeah sure and then I get to where's and he's like oh
1:14:28
10 pounds I'm like give me half mate yeah then it gives me half and I'm like cool okay we're cool
1:14:34
then I land on his and he's like can be full give me fall down there yeah
1:14:41
I just I'll just kind to you I remember uh remember reading an article about a guy that commissions uh commissions
1:14:49
board games and he says and often when people would send in their their idea
1:14:54
for a board game and they'd have their cover on letter and they would say this game could be the next or bigger than
1:15:00
Monopoly so there's that point where we just go and in the bit yeah yeah yeah if
1:15:05
you've mentioned Monopoly I'm not making it yeah yeah yeah because it is just another version of Monopoly right yeah
1:15:11
there's only so many ways you can do it as me yeah yeah no I think but play monopoly's kid is good because it
1:15:18
teaches you all about the cruelty of capitalism yes it gets into your head by
1:15:23
you know I'm sure in a couple of years you said you want to get him enough of it no never again
1:15:28
full Monopoly now because he's like there's more money involved oh there is yeah and hotels and houses new kits you
1:15:35
get like credit cards and stuff like that what yeah so it's all gone digital so let's just have a credit card digital
1:15:41
banks that they have yeah I think so yeah I suppose it updates it I guess well it stops the cheating I just have so many
1:15:48
500 stuck up my sleeves and everything you know there's capitalism you're meant to cheat yeah it's encourage and you've
1:15:54
got your off your account exactly yeah which is you know that's when you take yourself in the bathroom and hide it in the system yeah yeah get it afterwards
1:16:00
yeah the toilet will be known as the Cayman Islands
1:16:05
someone's did that in bugman's like there was like a not well someone had got some information from the studios
1:16:11
and put it into one of the toilets and bugman's and then someone else would come and do the drop it was like so super like spy they got found out they
1:16:18
got fired um but this is like oh I think the first year in the studio for me and it was
1:16:23
like that's elaborate that's yeah that is like and I think that's when Warsaw was still a big thing someone from war
1:16:30
series was like paying someone to to get the information and then put it in like a little baggy inside like the system
1:16:37
and cubicle one which was the most horrendous keeping yeah because they always had the unsinkables in it yeah
1:16:44
hey against the toilet there yeah old bugman's daughter for the world new ones Plumbing was really better
1:16:51
um oh yeah yeah let's talk about patreon questions and cheese let's go to that okay sounds fun yeah
1:16:58
you want to cover before we move on to the patrons um so I watched a recent video
1:17:06
um I think it's one that comes up for this potentially um you said you had a bad experience with blood Bowl I did it's terrible yeah and
1:17:13
um I have this sort of to preload it because people like you need to play bloodborne and I've heard
1:17:19
so much good stuff about it and like sevens and like Blitzball all sound great I I tend to nowadays collect stuff
1:17:26
that I can use in other things so if I do walk where I can use it in age of Sigma I have to do age of Sigma if you're using war cry if I do 40K if I'm
1:17:32
using kiltima and vice versa I don't do um I didn't do it aeronautica or
1:17:38
adeptice titanicus because they're on their own separate thing I'm like I could just be painting more like Warcraft warbands but rather than being
1:17:45
similar scales to like the new epic stuff is that one actually that makes sense now to have like Astro um you want to say Astro at a time aeronautica depth
1:17:53
of time I can't play these games with all the stuff yeah whereas blood bottle really is like it is its own thing but I
1:17:58
tend to use blue ball kits too to convert you have their Open Hands don't you yeah that's the best place to get Overland if
1:18:04
you ever need to convert and you need overnight all different scales I I was just going to say if it's Space Marines
1:18:10
you want the uh the gray Knights I don't know oh yes because they do like their magic yeah because they're in the magic hands they have the guns
1:18:18
but yeah so I I had one game it was after a stop take it it was we finished
1:18:24
about six and normally our games would be like an hour two hours it was a
1:18:29
Sunday night I was at work the very next day and we played blood ball we were
1:18:34
doing a league and the game was with someone that didn't really understand about communicating yes I've heard you
1:18:40
speak this um and it was dragging on and I would like oh I've got the ball cool I'm gonna
1:18:46
move I'll drop the ball that's it your turn's done now but what about all these guys are not moved you can't move in there that's it you're done yeah all right and it went on till 10 o'clock
1:18:55
um and I was like I'm not sure games are 40K yeah and I was I like scored I don't
1:19:00
even I think I've got a touchdown or whatever and they were like on 13 14. I was like I'm not gonna win this I just
1:19:06
want to call this like no no we need to finish it because I need because it's for the league and I only want to make sure I get on my garden yeah you won
1:19:12
just roll whatever you want I'm going to bed because I'm not working the next one just because you are not going to to do
1:19:17
tomorrow yeah I have work to do and after that I never touched the bowl again because of the viewers will know
1:19:23
this as well because they've heard me talk about a few times it's like I should get over myself yeah and I've seen the new vampires and I love the new
1:19:28
vampires well not just the new vampires first of all I'm going to imagine was he playing dwarves by any chance uh I don't
1:19:33
I think I think so yeah yeah well I find all the most annoying teams play against because they're incredibly tough
1:19:39
and you can't beat them up and yeah I think I was using the Bronx sets cute plastic humans oh yes yeah but also in
1:19:46
any game whether it's a board game or a um a tabletop game mastering the teach is the most important thing and if you
1:19:51
teach someone badly they'll have a bad time and then play it so you know if you ever want another reintroduction to yes
1:19:57
blood Bowl necrom under my favorite games partly because I can paint a very small
1:20:02
amount of Miniatures to have a full game of it um and also uh it's one of those
1:20:07
games and I imagine war cries a bit like this because I don't really play Warcraft but um where you care about all of your
1:20:14
characters you give them names you learn their personalities and and when they get killed it's actually heartbreaking
1:20:21
yeah and I know Pat's gonna get very seven so Lauren gets killed oh he's never gonna die oh he will yeah I'll
1:20:26
make sure he dies Mr brisket will probably die sirloin is an absolute badass and yes
1:20:31
the jokey names as well yeah yeah because I had a vampire team back in about a few years ago and um
1:20:39
which I found out I'm looking forward to the new vampers because I imagine uh they're gonna have very different rules
1:20:44
because old vampires used to be like the most hard mode version of blood Bowl they're very hard to use and very hard
1:20:51
to do anything with um and but mine were called the the Hollywood suckers or something because
1:20:57
there was a place in the old world that was called saying like oh holy Woods or something or somewhere near Sylvania anyway
1:21:03
um and so they were all named after the vampires had four of them and they were named after actors who had played
1:21:09
vampires and films and their film so I had Katarina Von hunterville oh right uh
1:21:16
vesely Von schaff um all in German of course because you have to there's vampires
1:21:21
um and I I I'm like the anti-captain America I'm like I didn't understand
1:21:26
that reference so Wesley from Wesley such played uh Catherine uh no what's
1:21:33
his name Kate Beckinsale from Underworld yeah um and all the thralls were named
1:21:39
after food no no I had like Biff burgundy on because that's what Thrills are they
1:21:44
just get it and uh yeah but it's it's if you've got a sense of humor it's one of the best games and get someone to teach
1:21:51
properly because um I think we will have to do a game anyway for the channel at some point oh yeah so yeah there'll be some uh teams
1:21:57
being painted good virus and I've got two teams that the current one I do like
1:22:03
is the Athlon Avengers which will probably be the worst ones to play with because they're like elves but I just like them and that's what I should
1:22:09
always go with go go the things I like and see how I get on yeah um but I do like the new uh well again with every
1:22:15
team they've got a strength yeah and that's what's like some of the older versions of global sometimes like
1:22:21
vampires you just had to be and say any good at the game club or to get anything out of them yeah um that's it I tried to do a revamp of a
1:22:27
revamp during the studio though like I did a dance that was doing a campaign and I just never got around to painting the
1:22:33
warband and I was doing uh vampires because I call them the sylvanian families yes and I was just like oh I
1:22:39
need to do is never going to do and then the camp the the league never happened so again because I would have had another
1:22:45
occasion of it being horrific and then I was like no this game is Naf yeah that's why they have a league called nav what
1:22:52
exactly yes um but yes I recently had stopped playing League which I really missed but again just because of daughter and um
1:22:58
not having the time I don't have a game yes uh I I had the my Norse team the
1:23:04
fueled Mustangs so they all had name like Falcon
1:23:16
Capri or something like yes and but they were in the Ford Racing colors as well nice awesome amazing but just it's so
1:23:23
funny you just have fun with it it's great yeah and I love doing like themed stuff yeah that's a bit silly I think
1:23:31
that's mine it does bother some people on the internet which is why I should lean into it more yeah do it more though
1:23:36
yeah and I I can understand like because yeah to a certain extent I do something
1:23:41
silly and and then I might oh like I'm not taking it seriously or I'm like
1:23:47
maybe disrespecting it a little bit a bunch of gray men rolling Dice and moving Toy Soldiers around and we should be serious well well yeah
1:23:53
and I never will be yeah and and it's like oh look I stuck some wings on a Dreadnought like you know that's that's
1:23:58
a bit silly isn't it but um basically more people should be silly yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah yeah it's wonderful
1:24:07
so we do have some patreon questions oh cool uh which is lovely um and uh well the first one which I
1:24:13
think we sort of covered was uh with a certain metrics someone had to hit for their work to oh okay so no this isn't
1:24:20
influencers actually so um was there a certain metric someone had to hit for their work to feature
1:24:27
um and how do you uh figure them out so if but I like I guess you said you
1:24:32
wandered over to Buckman's and you're like please oh yeah or sometimes I just I was lucky I got to spend you know
1:24:38
every morning a few minutes on my Instagram Facebook and just scroll through and just try and find something cool and I actually have people still on
1:24:44
my Instagram to this day that I'm sort of like I really hope they finish that Army one day because I'd love to talk to them about it on my podcast now but I
1:24:50
started following them when I wanted them to finish it um when I was working there but yeah it was it was either find them someone
1:24:56
would tell me about something in warham world I stroll across or they'd email it in to the community inbox
1:25:02
um or I just bought them on Instagram and just dropped the message saying like hey fancy dig an article for where I'm a
1:25:07
community and um like I said most of the time I said yes and it was always great when you found like the real gems and
1:25:14
and there were no sort of it didn't have to be the most famous Army in fact it was kind of better if no one had seen it
1:25:20
before or if it was not that no one had seen it but um it came from slightly smaller accounts because you were sort of
1:25:26
shedding a spotlight on something new and interesting I remember there was a guy he did a space shark's Army and it was
1:25:32
very specifically space sharks not calc [Music] um and he had to paint them in a very
1:25:38
specific way it was beautiful gray army um he had to paint them in a specific specific way because he was a Jazz
1:25:45
drummer and I think he had carpal tunnel and it sort of quite damaged his nerves in his arms and had developed a way of
1:25:51
painting them oh wow that allowed him to pen quickly and easily not hurt himself doing it and they looked stunning and so
1:25:58
being at that sort of angle as well bring that into him was was exceptional yeah so we had we had great contributors
1:26:04
and it's you just found them where you could find them and yeah yeah yeah amazing
1:26:10
um faces and basis says oh what a great guest uh the walk-on Community engagement has been great in recent
1:26:16
years along with continue I'm sure there will be a few questions about the influencer metrics for articles and
1:26:21
review products uh but do you have any insight into why these requirements aren't openly advertised
1:26:29
I officially no I think someone might be a knob well kind of I mean he did get in
1:26:36
in lots of stuff you'd often get people sort of lobbying um for themselves or you know would say
1:26:43
you know if they had a a smaller channel would tell everyone to email one community in and that's that's fine in a
1:26:50
way I mean let us know that you're out there but um sometimes the emails would be like oh you're all idiots if you don't give this
1:26:57
guy a free stuff and it's like yeah what hang on yeah um so I think not advertising the
1:27:04
specific numbers uh out loud and like I say I I don't know what they are now it
1:27:09
will have changed absolutely since I was there um and it may not even be fully based on numbers anymore it might be more like I
1:27:16
was saying if specific game systems have smaller viewing figures anyway they'll yeah it'll all be different but it's
1:27:22
just a case if you don't want people to agonize and you don't want people who are over that threshold to think that
1:27:28
that's the only rule to get them in because it might have been because there are people out there who you know for
1:27:33
sometimes good reason sometimes bad reasons are incredibly negative about the Hobby and would then feel or and
1:27:39
specifically the game's Workshop would then feel sort of like oh well I've got enough people so I should be able to get
1:27:45
free stuff why are you sending it to me and would then do a load of videos ranting about it and saying well I meet the requirements so why not yeah it's
1:27:52
like well the other requirements is you're not a dick like it's kind of a big rule in the Hobby in general but
1:27:58
yeah yeah wonderful um Chris says so it's enjoy your podcast
1:28:05
[Music] you know what I almost wore that shirt
1:28:10
today because I just so pretty much anywhere check shirts and I almost put that one on this morning yeah I went
1:28:16
through a plaid shirt face yeah yeah we will do again this winter all the thought we went through the olives were in check shirts on every video and uh
1:28:23
yeah yeah but yes good old jokes um let's go every now and again someone
1:28:28
comes up to me and says it into one world yeah yeah um okay so and their question is
1:28:37
while Wacom has developed as a regular hobby feed uh aside from the growth in
1:28:42
using Community member images for new releases do you think it strikes the right balance between the community
1:28:47
angle and a sales tool oh
1:28:52
does it strike the right balance not always but do you know what it's you know Games Workshop is a business
1:28:59
it's quite a unique business as well in a way you have to think of it is this is effectively a cottage industry that
1:29:06
someone is a global brand leader in yeah which doesn't they shouldn't fit it's but it does and and you have to get a
1:29:14
lot of information out there and I remember there was sometimes a frustration of you know I'd get someone to write an article and tell them hey
1:29:20
it's going to come out on Thursday and then it might have been a leak or it might have been a big change or you know
1:29:26
it was always fun when you've got things like affordable price changes because oh great that's gonna be three articles you
1:29:33
know to stop people moaning about yeah and they're right to my own again but
1:29:38
when you're on the inside it's like and that would bump your article out of the way because it's the least important
1:29:44
information in terms of what needs to be said but it's also the best advert for the hobby I always used to be quietly smug
1:29:51
whenever I I worked on an article with a painter had done a brilliant Army every
1:29:58
time it went on Facebook it always got the most likes of everything else that anyone else has done and and all the other stuff was great but it was always
1:30:04
like me trying to point and be like yeah do more yeah yeah but it's like yeah you
1:30:10
know so like the price Rising just gets lots of thumbs down lots of angry faces lots of negative comments and it's still like for the algorithm right it's still
1:30:16
like interactions and stuff but well people just want to see cool toys people want to see how someone's taking like an
1:30:22
army that they like and now they've changed it and done something different to it whether it's like basing whether that's all conversions and stuff so nine
1:30:28
times out of ten you're right yeah it's always going to be like the hobby wins out um but you know people need that space
1:30:34
to have a bit more rant in a rave his own yeah I'm sorry yeah I'll die quietly if you went down the
1:30:41
wrong way um yeah it's and yeah and also it's a capacity thing is you've only got
1:30:48
so many editors so many writers so much uh so many hours No it should be a switch
1:30:55
of my bro the Army's shots always did really really well and but it is a case that there are only so many hours in a
1:31:01
day there are only so many editors and writers who can support it and you do have to get that key information out
1:31:06
that it is a it it's a way of talking to the Warhammer Community whereas it's
1:31:12
also a way of encouraging Community interaction and participation so it's just the balance until you've got
1:31:20
20 editors and um you know I I do enthusi articles today it will always be true that side
1:31:25
didn't have enough staff I think like if I'm like the the writers for the Articles and like the guys on the social media do even to this day I think it's
1:31:32
on Demand with the amount of demand that's on like obviously with some videos they've opened comments now on
1:31:38
Facebook and that I'm certainly when I was there you'd have like the Facebook guy that was like age of Sigma Facebook
1:31:45
guy that was predominantly 40K someone that was like specialist games yeah Forge World and then there was just
1:31:51
checking like Twitter and Instagram in their own time when they could but
1:31:56
that's why comments will turn off for YouTube because someone's going to police it yeah there's going to be I mean we get it you know you get like comments so just people just want to say
1:32:03
mean things because it makes me feel better and other times there's like great interactions you're like oh that's a really nice thing let's think about that chat explain why we've done that
1:32:09
and but no one command that because it's just so under understaffed so again it's that it's that Global brand cottage
1:32:15
industry yeah somehow the games up with the two things at the same time
1:32:20
enthusiasm and the can-do attitude will put bread on the table as opposed to uh yeah you're doing it because For the
1:32:27
Love of the hobby yeah because I need to be paid so yeah pay mortgage things yeah um but yeah any questions about cheese
1:32:34
by the way uh not yet oh uh disappointed um someone I'm gonna I'm gonna pronounce this really really slowly to make sure I
1:32:40
get it correctly someone named hick dead
1:32:46
instead of oh yeah yeah what is your favorite toe
1:32:54
uh that one excellent Thompson yeah uh Spence
1:33:00
painting uh has said John is a lovely about question for him were there any uh influence uh influencers or artists that
1:33:07
he didn't get to work with during his time at GW that he wished he had uh well Spence
1:33:15
yes no sven's been a guest on uh my life in Miniatures as well uh he was excellent and and lovely to have the um
1:33:23
uh were there any yeah there were probably so when we we
1:33:29
had a list of people who would send really impressive Miniatures out to paint um and when I started in that the brief
1:33:36
was golden demon winners Slayer sword winners that was who we sent it to
1:33:42
which was great and you know but it was quite a limited pool and it was actually
1:33:47
when I left or just so was leaving that was changing slightly and it became more
1:33:54
let's get people who have got good followings and do are doing interesting things it didn't have to be top
1:34:00
brilliant perfect stuff so it ends up with like to Pete Pete the wall game exactly yeah you give something to Peter
1:34:07
and you'll come he'll come back with something that isn't remotely the thing you gave him yeah but also surely that
1:34:12
um and this is just from my point of view seeing like those people and how they interact with their work and their
1:34:17
craft it takes them a long time to get things done so you'll you'll return on that's gonna be it diminishes yeah absolutely like send that out to this
1:34:24
guy send that to that guy when when can you get it done next year yep oh okay absolutely and and
1:34:31
um yeah and so it was close to the end it was really nice to um see more
1:34:37
different people um getting a chance to get their hands on those kits earlier and do different things with them I mean
1:34:43
yeah yeah and again I'm probably like being a dead horse about this but it it
1:34:48
it's one of my biggest um book bears with workshops in when I was in the studio is there was a lot of
1:34:53
focus on Match play and a lot of focused on high-end paint guides yeah um and that distorts what the reality of
1:34:59
the hobby is yeah because not everyone I'd say like a a percentage certainly do match playing
1:35:05
tournaments and the percentage certainly do exhibition painting but I'd say 80 plus percent don't do that no so then
1:35:12
what you're doing is you're distorting and then people get sort of frustrating I know again I can't paint
1:35:18
to that level I can't paint to that no I can't do that they're sharing all these things um so it's good I think it shows the
1:35:23
broad spectrum and what people do and can achieve it's real yeah and one thing that I don't think a workshop has ever
1:35:29
ever gotten right and they are starting to address it a little bit I think but is that difference between
1:35:36
um again using digital marketing ideas you have um the stuff you want someone to buy now
1:35:41
and the thing you want someone to Aspire to the same way you you can you need to be able to give people the opportunity
1:35:47
to be able to get an Army on the battlefield really quickly and that's what's great about things like contrast paint and dry brushing and all that sort
1:35:54
of stuff brilliant but you also do want to be able to say to them hey if you do want to kick on
1:35:59
and you know here's what um wet blending is is you know this is how you start off doing OSL is you know
1:36:07
and I don't think because if you talk to a lot of um well the you know people who are
1:36:12
winning golden demons they sort of think there isn't anything for them coming out of Workshop either yeah yeah you know
1:36:18
all those very leading periods it needs it all I think yeah well again it had you can't be all
1:36:25
things to all people can you no that's true and we can't certainly I definitely can't no no I'll be the first uh no I
1:36:34
won't uh uh Phil asks what's your most memorable in-game oh wow slash oh no
1:36:39
moment oh most memorable oh well or oh no um
1:36:45
most annoying moment I ever had in the game was I was in doing a tale of four Warlords for the
1:36:51
Horus heresy uh for Warhammer TV and I'd spent I'd forgotten what date
1:36:58
the game was on and someone reminded me that it's tomorrow and I had a Sakara and Scorpio something is it's the one
1:37:03
with the scar and tank with the missile launcher that can shoot up
1:37:09
um and I hadn't painted it and I stayed up until three o'clock that morning painted
1:37:16
it put it on the battlefields you know saying late afterwards they're already quite tired
1:37:21
put it on the battlefield one-shotted first turn of the game pretty much the first action of the game was just like
1:37:28
okay that was my that's probably my biggest oh no um best Oh wow was
1:37:35
um finding out that an army that an elder Army had built in sixth edition and
1:37:41
I was playing in front of I played quite regularly and he brought his relatively good Imperial Guard Space Marines Army
1:37:48
and he's like yeah well let's have a game let's try your older out and I was like I don't think it's very good it's probably rubbish and it I only had to
1:37:54
add a single Warlock and this was in eighth edition maybe single wall lock and it got it back up to 2000 points
1:38:01
um it turned out to be the most rancid wonderfully rancid Army I've ever had
1:38:06
ever and it was just one game I was like oh wow um seeing karandros walk up to
1:38:11
vulcanistan and just rip him in half in one go it's like yes this is I like this this is so wow I'm very fond of this
1:38:18
well the warp puns are just one-shotting of lamanna Ross from on the other side of a building that it couldn't even see
1:38:23
and that's really looking at skill right oh yeah yeah it is yes I'm an alright
1:38:29
player yeah I often refer to myself as like the monkeys that write the works of Shakespeare eventually is gonna happen
1:38:35
absolutely yeah and it's yeah that's that's me no I'm not saying that's you that's definitely no that's probably me as well
1:38:41
lovely uh Skin Man uh says in the more pessimistic Camp of hobbyists uh there
1:38:47
is an opinion that GW doesn't care about the opinions of the community uh can you think of any situation where
1:38:54
G dubs took on board some feedback slash potential outcry and maybe uh walked
1:39:00
back on a decision that didn't go down too well at the time I don't know about walking back on
1:39:06
decisions it's pretty much so I remember it's like once it's done it's done and that's um how it's gonna go but uh
1:39:16
in terms of taking things apart it was always taken on board it was just again often hands could be quite tired in
1:39:22
certain situations and you know you can't change
1:39:27
models you know that have been in production for three years or anything like that so uh or prices are linked to
1:39:33
you know people's stock dividends and all that sort of stuff so you can't really do much about that and I think
1:39:40
I suppose one of them do you know what actually there is a really nice example of it and I I thought about this the
1:39:45
other day because it was um do you I remember the young boy who
1:39:50
was a fan of the space force I think his name is Brynn and um
1:39:56
everyone he rather tragically I think passed away very very young and the community were crying out for him to be
1:40:03
put into something um with the Spaceballs because they were his favorite and in one of the codexes I think maybe
1:40:09
the seventh edition codex there was a little paragraph in the corner about Captain Brin of the Space Wolves going
1:40:14
off into the sunset or something like that and it was really poignant and yeah useful and really nice now as an example the studio not one Community but the the
1:40:21
publication Studio taking that on board and saying like because the community had said come on this is yeah it's
1:40:27
heartbreaking enough anyway and they've taken on and did it and the reason I was actually thinking about it is that was
1:40:32
one of the few times that when I was working there that we got some real props can I say we Lucy sweet I had
1:40:37
absolutely nothing to do with that um but as a company got sort of really great feedback and then about six hours
1:40:44
later there was affordable price increase and it's like we couldn't have a day another day where we were good
1:40:49
guys yeah yeah it was it was really annoying that but that that was such a
1:40:55
sweet touch and touching thing yeah yeah I was thinking from an um obviously nothing's gonna beat that story but um
1:41:03
certainly the way they handled this is a battle I think was quite a nice
1:41:08
um way almost like a treat for the for the community because for many years products will get made in in the shadows
1:41:14
in Workshop no one see it um whereas sister battle was one of those ones where they showed most of the
1:41:20
progression across the year but in a way that was like what I experienced every day as
1:41:26
Naomi painter was you see all this cool stuff you can't touch it you don't even got the resins at this point you're
1:41:31
getting excited about it then you finally get the resins like we do we paint some of it we then can't touch it again for like months because it's been
1:41:37
video photographed and stuff like that um so it was nice to see how people were like that's really cool I wanted I can't
1:41:43
touch it for a year or two but it was nice as a treat to go we're going to show you the whole process of yeah of
1:41:49
this and no no real leaks happened with sister battle which was interesting yeah and and that was the purpose that was
1:41:55
the test and and sisters were sort of seeing and said oh I I don't know about a free hit but like uh
1:42:00
you know obviously we need them to be a success but we don't expect them to maybe be the success that they ended up being
1:42:06
um but that was all part of a test to see what if we do provide something right from the design stage all the way through and that's probably the reason
1:42:12
why you get the old world articles that you get yeah yeah you know to show you something you're not going to get your hand on it for some time I certainly
1:42:18
feel they should do that more because it there was always this weird sort of belief that if you showed stuff too much
1:42:24
people wouldn't pay and fly because they were holding their money for that thing
1:42:30
um so like with like in retail you want you you'd show like so many months ahead and then so many months ahead after that
1:42:35
yeah because you had like this rolling schedule of what you'd show um and it's like oh you can't talk about
1:42:41
that because people won't want to you know buy this thing or this thing they're going to save that money for that I'm like
1:42:46
are you sure I mean did you know everyone's personal circumstances and their drives and this that and the other
1:42:51
and this is about was a great example because it did really well then it came out so it didn't stop us and the other problem being as well isn't it and I
1:42:58
know you've talked about it before is that thing of don't tell Lumber replace replacing that thing with a new one and
1:43:04
I was thinking so I get that in some ways because you've got to try and move stock but at the same point in time I think it creates really really bad
1:43:10
Bloods if you've gone out on board say you know or whatever a rhino and then two weeks later yeah the Rhino comes out
1:43:16
and it's better the one that you bought Nathan and two weeks ago and no one could have told me this you know what it's like but then it's a thing isn't it
1:43:22
I also think if you're told that people might there's a lot of people that like that right now and they're like I need
1:43:28
that yeah because I only found out about the free Guild pistolators after they're
1:43:34
gone after they're gone yeah and I've got enough but I kind of wanted a few more yeah and it's a bit too late for me
1:43:41
now so I'm like but they will come back with old world but knowing that because nothing's really replacing them even if
1:43:47
there was I'd be like while I like those heads for that faction that I use them for and they're cool I'll just get them
1:43:53
when they come out as well um so that it's it's almost projecting one person's way of purchasing onto an
1:44:01
entire Community yeah um and I don't think that's the best way to no to do it no yeah I thought one
1:44:08
other example of where feedback has been listened to quite a while which was uh near the time at the end of my time at
1:44:15
Games Workshop um just about pre-pandemic uh I started looking out to go on demon
1:44:24
a bit and one of the reasons I I started doing that was because we got a lot of feedback from a lot of the people who
1:44:30
ended him that you know you have here one of the most prestigious what could be the most prestigious painting
1:44:36
competition in miniatures was not good enough in some places
1:44:41
um I remember the first time I worked at Warhammer Fest the awards presentation
1:44:47
was stuck in the corner of law room the projector froze on the third slide okay no and The Slayer sword the the
1:44:54
supposedly the grand prize was brought to the stage zip tied to a bit of
1:44:59
cardboard which was snipped off in front of everyone who's trying to win it and because it was that cheap I think they cost three quid or whatever the Chinese
1:45:06
pressed Slayer swords that they give out now it's like what well how do you think
1:45:11
it's good enough so I lobbied to try and do some more with it and um thankfully that everyone was quite
1:45:17
receptive the argument often was and I get this from a business perspective golden demon doesn't make
1:45:23
money and it's true you can't put a cash figure you don't have to pay to enter golden demon you can't put a cash figure
1:45:30
on what golden team generates but just walk around the cabinets so how much money has been spent on that you do have
1:45:36
to paint it for going in because you have to get a ticket yes but then you have to pay it for a model yeah the
1:45:41
materials are invested in that and also those some of those models how many I saw um when
1:45:47
um the guy recently won it in the states with the skink and everyone's like it's just a skink like it's what's so
1:45:53
impressive about that it's like it's Flawless absolutely flawlessly go I can do that so they all went off and bought
1:45:58
skanks right so they're all trying to do exactly what he did it's like that's just generated so much so I mean all
1:46:04
right probably not an enormous amount but combine that with like say everything that's in the cabinet the ticket sales that they did all of that
1:46:11
and so I did manage to convince them let's put a bit more off into it and since then like the new trophy got
1:46:16
released um the setup has looked a little bit better at each of the events and yeah
1:46:22
it's sort of going along nice and so but a lot of that came from hearing those painters here winning it being like
1:46:28
yeah the sword's rubbish and we're really you know we're just in a corner of a room with a broken projector
1:46:34
because it used to be a proper sword made them I think I made them yeah yeah yeah great was talking about it yeah the one
1:46:40
if you go to Warhammer world now and they've got the honors board for the Slayer sword winners in the on the stairs in the exhibition area that's the
1:46:47
sword that was the legendary were they Ravens Raven Forge I think they're called the people who made that sword
1:46:53
and but I even looked into getting a um he sword mate it was all the pumping ceremony for um the awards because like
1:47:00
the only scene even Nia so there was a whole load of seating area yeah there's all the like tables and stuff there's
1:47:06
always the stand there at the very end of the day you couldn't go until like it would finish because like you you know the doors won't open that's when all the
1:47:13
golden demon winners would come on and everyone sat down watching so you got like all the eyes of everyone in the event watching the awards some people
1:47:19
might be walking around and dealing with like a cry kid or yeah a grumpy teenage or whatever but for the most part all
1:47:25
the eyes are on the stage it's not round into a corner yeah is like the high end sword that you have to wear a chainmail
1:47:31
glove because it might slide your hands yeah um so yeah it's yeah yeah it used to be so prestigious and it just turned into
1:47:37
like yeah it was an afterthought and now it's getting prestigious skin which is great when we launch our own and we've
1:47:43
got a Slayer butter knife yeah I was hoping for like the open
1:47:49
competition we have like a a Jammy Dodger as bronze silver and gold yeah absolutely yeah
1:47:54
but we use like bronze silver and gold uh decorator paint so you can actually
1:48:00
eat it as well well absolutely right yeah yeah I wonder I wonder I want a bronze Jamie the algebra didn't make it
1:48:06
home I've got the plaque and some crumbs yeah and the bronze and the black solid gold
1:48:13
yeah yeah lovely uh this one I don't want to put you on the spot you
1:48:18
absolutely don't have to answer it and you can just raise your own brows um there there is an influencer list is
1:48:26
there at Warhammer Community a black list of people that
1:48:32
you you don't work with uh yes but it's very tough well when I was there yes it
1:48:37
was very tiny and I won't say he's on it or anything about that because I don't want to know who I am
1:48:43
yeah I don't bow down if that's still a thing
1:48:49
or not but yeah those yeah I'd Rumblings but I don't want to yeah name any names
1:48:55
but when I was there it was absolutely it was really only I think two people and you can probably guess some people there yeah yeah
1:49:03
uh wonderful uh and then someone has asked uh what's your favorite aspect of the hobby painting converting playing or
1:49:10
the social side of it or something more esoteric
1:49:19
especially for necromonda which are my absolute favorites um because you can just you've got so
1:49:25
much scope of imagination every model is an economic model exactly every model is I'm currently pretty much working my way
1:49:33
through the cursity box just being like yeah how do we chop that up and do it do something with that but um
1:49:39
yeah it's that's a huge part of me I don't think I've got it in me to paint an army again I've no I can't do it
1:49:45
anymore I've I've saved up a entire Space Marine Army for my blood angels that I'm probably never gonna do who are
1:49:50
when I retire or something um but yeah it's a combination probably the painting and converting small scale
1:49:56
things neck from under War bands blood bowl and again talking to people about
1:50:01
their life and a hobby and and what they love and what they enjoy and how they found it and what it means to them
1:50:07
that's I think the the nicest part about um having my podcast is just you know
1:50:12
you meet lovely people you talk to them about what the hobby means to them and sometimes it can be quite poignant and sometimes it can be really funny and
1:50:18
it's a great combination and that's my favorite stuff that's awesome perfect then one final question from Adam
1:50:26
um oh no no there's another one that I wanted as well sorry so uh Alex obviously new model launches would be a
1:50:31
big hit but are there any walk or walk-on specific articles or types of content that outperformed viewership
1:50:37
expectations I I think it was just uh I don't know if uh performs expectations
1:50:43
because I always expected them to do really really well which was the when we had someone who'd created a great Army
1:50:48
and then just getting photos of it on there um I think I always remember uh
1:50:53
Sani NDA he's that's probably absolutely ruined his name a French painter who
1:50:59
first you did a certain article that was carried on he'd done this brilliant all very heavily tribal inspired cacode Army
1:51:06
there were we did quite a few car caragons because I was just mentioned the space shark army as well um but then he came back and he did this
1:51:12
brilliant article about um he'd created a whole planet
1:51:18
effectively uh and all the inhabitants of it who were an imperial planet
1:51:24
based on his own West African Heritage and painted them using the colors of
1:51:31
um that were Associates with his family and uh tribal stuff from West Africa and
1:51:36
conversing also and that performed so so well and the reception I got was so pleasing to see and just everyone being
1:51:42
like wow this is amazing because it did it highlighted that you know if you everyone's got a different story style
1:51:48
and the more different voices you get in the hobby the better because you get you get more inspiration get more new ideas
1:51:54
coming from everywhere and I guess even from like a painter's point of view it's something really unique and new that you would never have like connected with
1:52:00
exactly I mean you know you take like the car carriage and say tribal shark kind of like motifs and stuff where's it
1:52:06
again like West Africa is like all sorts of like interesting like colors and designs and like scarification and
1:52:12
Tattoos yeah yeah it was a it was such a good article to read and it was it was great to work with them on but yeah it's
1:52:18
it's that one really performed really really well and it was so nice to see because it was just you know people were
1:52:24
suddenly inspired to I was in spokes I thought about my Scottish roots and I was like what can I do that and I Then I
1:52:30
then tried to paint Tartan no yeah I've never done that ever again in my life I was literally just thinking uh as you
1:52:38
were going through that story um I uh wore a tie recently because my son
1:52:45
was Taylor and that's the Taylor Tartan oh yeah and I was like oh I wonder if I could like get that on a marine somehow or something like that it's not worth it
1:52:52
yes I think some of it is Artistic license because I have a regiment of the black watch and the oh yeah 90 second
1:52:59
Gordon Highlanders um and I looked at the Talton squinted and
1:53:07
went they're the colors I need yeah which is like blue green and a bit of yellow and it was the same for like the
1:53:13
black watches like blue dark green yeah red yeah uh so I didn't sit there doing
1:53:18
all these like really intricate crosshatches just like blue some broad green bits and then some nice
1:53:25
fine little red bits and from a distance when you've got like like what 30 40 red coats with like the banners it's black
1:53:32
watching it yeah the black watch Kilts and I was I was like that when I um when
1:53:37
I played uh ariadne for Infinity they had they had uh Tartan in it because
1:53:43
there was some like kill wearers in there and um and I was remember moaning to a friend of mine that I was trying to paint it
1:53:49
and doing a very bad job of it and he said he says you don't paint Tartan he says you suggest yeah that's good yeah and
1:53:57
that's what I did I stripped it all the way back and I just put the Yeah just they almost just painted just slightly
1:54:03
different colored cubes almost yeah and just little points of dots around them and he went he suggested he said because
1:54:09
it's gonna be four foots away yeah yeah yeah yeah no that's good unless you are doing a display piece miniature then you
1:54:17
know I I think you suggested don't try and repeat it yeah if in on your work experience you just go and get Tartan
1:54:22
paint yeah yeah yeah we do stop that here at the painting
1:54:28
phase yeah that we should just sell it as well no Louise stocks Rainbow Paint
1:54:33
you might want to check the link sound yes we could also sell camouflage paint we do yeah yeah just still can't find it
1:54:39
can we've been looking for weeks I think we put it over there we'll find
1:54:45
it I think one last question before we all melt um from Adam it says uh you have a Titan
1:54:52
battle robot and the three members of the painting face team are the crew you must assign them uh a the cockpit like
1:55:00
one in each so someone has a cockpit you can only see things and communicate to the other two uh B arms and weapons C
1:55:07
the legs and movement system who are you putting where and why oh my God I'm
1:55:13
awful a communicators they don't stick me yeah as much as I like the same cockpit don't stick me in it
1:55:19
um I thought um well you can be you could be weapons
1:55:25
because um I mean Jeff sex Army so Jeff's weapon
1:55:31
you know that means we're gonna make you the legs
1:55:39
congratulations to Pat you are the head fantastic you do all the brain work here
1:55:45
anyway and then what we'll do is just stick a beer to the front of the Titan as well and they can be Jeff and Pat yeah yeah
1:55:52
yeah yeah I like it in the comic version of us the difference is just the color of the hair yes
1:56:00
beards glasses I was meeting you for lunch and I got
1:56:06
there first I said to the the waitress I said uh she said would you like many of
1:56:12
us I'm waiting for a friend of mine she went oh right I said like this I said what slightly different haircut I'm a
1:56:17
bit sure oh okay yeah and I was like oh she just took me
1:56:22
straight like how did she know who I was genuinely when um people were coming toward her more
1:56:29
influences who were never met me before and they were coming to work oh great to meet up and have a chat and be like great I'll meet you in bugman's I'd
1:56:35
always say something I'd be the hairy guy hairy guy big beard check shirt walk into bugman's like I needed to be more
1:56:41
specific than that this poor person wandering around five
1:56:47
times no okay I've actually had that one day um in in the studio it was warmer TV
1:56:54
um and someone said oh there's a guy in uh it was yeah woman would email me so
1:56:59
there's a guy walking around who's a big fan of warmer TV paint guides could you send one of you guys over to say hello
1:57:06
and I was like yeah I'm free and the other guys are currently filming so I went over and I saw the guy who's like
1:57:11
what does he look like he's like oh he's he's in there he's got dark hair and he's with his girlfriend
1:57:17
um and she's got dark hair and I was like okay um anything else like glasses could have
1:57:23
shares that uh black I was like okay cool I went up there there was about three couples that have fit that
1:57:29
description I was like oh talk to her through and I was like is anyone John oh
1:57:35
hi it's me I was like cool I don't think his name is but I was like oh God this is
1:57:43
why is this why is this happening now why is this three identical couples but yeah we've found him in there fantastic
1:57:49
lovely that's what my uh all my questions yes as well thank you John thank you for bringing us some uh
1:57:54
biscuits as well from uh what was the place again uh so there's a
1:58:00
international Supermarket called Murat which is place an enter market and they buy have lots of Turkish and German and
1:58:06
all sorts of biscuits they're a bit different selection I can't wait to try them they look a lot like like custard
1:58:12
creams or Jeffers but those are banana but not even better yeah oh wow one of
1:58:17
the nice thing about the foreign biscuits as well they don't you generally don't tell you how bad they are foreign
1:58:41
hope to hear about season three for my life of Miniatures check John's
1:58:46
Instagram out as well and also for some awesome converted images which we didn't get around to talk no no um or at least showing them but that's
1:58:52
less editing for Pat yeah I've written I've written a Time code in to put some pictures of necromondor models over so
1:58:58
okay cool yeah I'll say I'll send you a couple yeah nice well thank you for coming on
1:59:03
the show thank you very much thank you for clearing up some stuff that we have questions out about as well like the influencer program and just I had no
1:59:09
idea that you commissioned out all the uh the art for the uh the web comics which are great they're still on there
1:59:16
as well so yeah they are there's lovely seven there yeah I thank you for coming up thank you I see I'll keep signing out
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