Sculpting every Historical Miniature EVER: Chatting to Paul Hicks

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hello I'm peachy I'm Patrick hello I'm Jeff and today we are joined by a
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revered sculptor miniature artist and xgw staffer I've only just discovered uh
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Paul hits everybody hello Paul thank you for coming on the show thank you for having me as we have started doing can
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you give us a brief description as to who you are and what you do uh my name
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is Paul Hicks and I consider myself retired because I get to do what I like every day and I make
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historical Miniatures primarily yes I'm a miniature sculptor I think I I'm
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surprised by how many of your Miniatures I've actually probably painted over the years because you are quite prolific when it comes to historicals yeah
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arguably but yeah because because I need to eat
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why'd you work so much to live uh yeah because my my friend
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Steve he used to paint lots of historical still does um and he was always talking about your
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stuff his eye I've got some Paul Hicks stuff in this name you've done everything I think nearly every period right yeah yeah
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um yeah I mean I get excited about I don't know not more historical but
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sort of like the historical image you know like the Aesthetics of History so
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I'm not if you ask me you know what did the seventh Armored Division do do in the
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western desert yeah I couldn't really tell you but I might be able to tell you what they look like yeah yeah and that's what I get excited about you know and
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interested um but yeah working for quite a few people means that you get a lot of
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varied projects which keeps it sort of nice and fresh yeah so one week I could be doing
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sort of planes Indians and then the next week it will be um
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British infantry for Africa 1840s so yeah it's definitely sort of yeah all
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over the place which is good so you're quite I'd say probably think there's a lot of miniature Rangers out there and
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please list a few that you've just for our views because they might not because they were like oh I didn't realize that because I didn't realize Empress
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Miniatures you did a lot of stuff yeah yeah Empress Miniatures yeah they but they came to me when I started oh when
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they started so um so who do I work for well I I started
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off who do you work for yeah did a well when I first started off it was working
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sort of with gripping beast and then from grip and Beast I start uh
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sort of started to muck about with some World War II figures and then started arrange for myself
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which became bolt action Miniatures oh really yes hello that is interesting I did not know that no yeah yeah so so
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back in so yeah I was uh about 2004 we were playing
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at our local club which was Richmond Gamers uh Lord London Gamers but it was
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in Richmond we were playing mucking about with um 40K but for I think it's called
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Warhammer 44. it was like a fan based uh cool yeah so we were um we were just
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playing big battles with that um and 28 mil World War II wasn't a big thing I
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think there was black tree designs [Music]
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yeah which were the old kidney and Company um figures and they had a limit but they
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didn't do everything so working at gripping Beast for a bit okay um and I was just making like a German
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medic getting that in the mold and one of the friends of Griffin base a guy called Simon Barger was like oh yeah
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these are look really good you should have a go at making some of your own stuff on your own range and he said look I'll
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put in I think it's like 500 quid and you do 500 quids worth of sculpting and then
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we'll see how it goes we'll get a mold yeah going and that was like in 2004 I think we had like
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we had two molds um so that's 32 figures we had and we
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took it I think 2005 we took it to Sheffield I think it was triples at the time yeah yeah yeah
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so my mate Simon who's is like a project engineer he built these perspects
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um like cases and then each disc had one of the set of the figures and they're in so they look really Innovative yeah and
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we had those and then people come on these are amazing and I think we made like a couple of hundred quids they paid
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for our trip and was like this is amazing you know we've actually had a meal out of this
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yeah so it's sort of it it snowballed from there and uh yeah we
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we had it for goods five years and it just grew and grew and grew and people
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were coming up we'll go to the shows the first year we had it we did like all the shows that you could do because it was
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sort of free free advertising well we we thought it was free advertising but obviously you had to pay for your
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standards but you got that money back but you were telling people all about you and all these other companies no everyone does Tony mail World War II I
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don't know you're mad no no we're I'm playing with this stuff we're excited by it you know and it just
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sort of snowballed and then it got to the point where we just couldn't hit Simon was living in Portsmouth I was
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living in West London at Ealing yeah at the time and it was like I'd finish work in South
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London drive to his on a Thursday night pack stuff and then drive home sort of
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like about one o'clock in the morning to get up again the next day where I was working at the time
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and it was just like we need to sell this we need to do you know get out and so um I was just
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starting to do some because starting up um well actually miniatures
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um put me in contact with a guy Lon Weiss of Brigade games in the States because he said oh you know we we set up
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a website or Simon set up a website I have no idea how those things happen yeah so yeah so
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um it just went um I want to distribute can I buy all
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your stuff yeah that's great yeah so we just sort of packed the stuff off to him and he said oh would you you do some
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some work for me and I went yeah okay yeah and then it's it's just word of
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mouth and it it's just built and I still work for lond now yeah because I guess during that period
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as well like because I attended loads events like salute and stuff like that was the way to get yourself pushed because I remember early days of working
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at Workshop I'd go around with Duncan and me mate Steve and it got to a point where there wasn't a miniature range we
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didn't know yeah I mean I couldn't tell you all the sculptures but certainly yeah yeah yeah you know I I was very
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familiar with like gripping Beast yeah and all that and black tree designs yeah Eureka Miniatures and all yeah there's
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all sorts of names that I could just remember but since like lockdown not a clue not a clue who exists out there now
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oh really oh there's so much of all the 3D printing side of stuff yes my question I was gonna ask you actually
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because you just you know throughout there what does 500 quids worth of sculpting look like was it like you know um 50 figures or is
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it like no um at that time it felt like a lot of miniatures
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as I've progressed and I mean this is nearly I mean I've been doing it
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before before 2004 I've done it on a sort of a part-time basis there was
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uh hour started was I I ended up and
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what was it doing so I worked for Games Workshop from 95 to 2000 and then at
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2000 one of my gaming buddies that used to one of the regulars said look there's
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a job coming up at my wood flooring company that I work for you'll be starting right
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at the bottom but you'll work your way through up this commission if you sell I was like I'm
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quite good at selling um yeah and then at that time being a
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manager you'd sort of like twiddle your thumbs like halfway through the day at Games Workshop working and it's like you
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can never paint anything of your own yeah it's like right okay well you'll see that in the magazine that all
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that stuff was painted while working at games work but then you know you'd paint your own
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stuff and people coming oh that looks really good oh I'll get some of those so you're probably worth regenerating sales
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anyway so um my mate Luke he said I'll come and
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have an interview and the day before an interview there was a big um as a regional manage uh managers meeting
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which took about four hours to get to on public transport so that wasn't fun got there and I had a new I think they were
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hobby managers we had a hobby manager at the time and he was like you're gonna do
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this this is gonna be great we're gonna do this and again you need to do this this and I just
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yeah walked up to the area management and this was the day before I had an interview for the new job and I
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no it's not for me anymore yeah see you later you know and then I went oh okay the next day luckily I might have put in
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quite a good word for me and I worked at the uh the wood flooring company
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and then I had a 5 000 pound pay increase oh wow and being at the bottom
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it's like yeah yeah okay yes it's not a lot a surprise that Workshop doesn't pay
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very well no all through history yeah um so yeah and then I I just started
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um making figures and one of our gaming group a guy called Andy sherwell just
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purchased gripping Beast I think at the time knew I made I did conversions
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because I didn't never never made like a full sculpt it would always just be odd
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cut bits up of figures make conversions but I'll try and keep them to the same sculptor so it looked Within
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you know it all looked like a cohesive um figure in the end and then just
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started off making little bags and then progressing bags and and things and uh
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Andy grimby said I won't make the odd figure and come down and I would work like a my day off at the wood flooring
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company I'd go and about and make make toy soldiers which none of them made it sail I don't think
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because they looked awful um so that that just sort of snowballed
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and then I think I made a made a few figures and then the guy just came up to me
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that we got to know um and he said look I've got this um I think it was Old Glory 15s they
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said look they won a World War One range from 1914 to the early part of the Walk yeah so oh yeah I'm really interested in
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that and uh you know how about making it and um yeah
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okay yeah but me and another guy Andy Dormer we who was helping out a gripping
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beast at the time we thought yeah let's have a go at this and I just this was I've been working at wood flooring
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company and I said I really would like to go and do that and they went yeah we know you're interested in this and this
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is something you want to do you know you have our blessing you know you're not leaving us in the Lurch yeah don't do that and I was like that's
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great that's really nice of you I spoke to my parents and they were like this is what you want to do
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well back here it's like great you know so it's fantastic and then I was working at the Griffin beasts shop
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um making the odd figure for them um doing this world war one range and then that sort of spiraled but
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unfortunately I just couldn't get to where I wanted to be um and then the wood flooring company
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phoned me out the blue and just went we would like you to come back but we'll pay you full wage but you can work
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part-time oh wow um so you can get to do what you want that's really nice isn't
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it yeah yeah I was like okay perfect storm yeah yeah so and then over that time I was where um Brigade games came
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on I had bolt action Miniatures in that part time so that's back in 2004 so I'd
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started to pick up more trades sculpting and I think 2007 it got to the point
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where I was wasn't I was earning less money going into work at the wood
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flooring company and I was staying at home and making soy soldiers so and uh at the time I was working
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Saturdays and we had like a big social group of friends not to do the war game but we used to go clubbing so that
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impacted all my social life and then we all decided we're all going to go to Ibiza back in 2007 and I just walked
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into wood flooring company went uh I'm just gonna go and sculpt for the
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moment yeah when do you want to finish well I'm going to I be there tomorrow yeah why don't you finish today
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I can't imagine like having an employer like that no no lovely a lovely family
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don't yeah one of the guys it was three brothers they're still going now it's a
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massive they used to um supply wood floors to Natural History
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Museum a while so yeah it moves like a a small small Warehouse in Wandsworth in West
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South London but they they're like a forest in Romania where they cut all the words and then they sent it over to oh
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well yeah yeah it must be really nice parquet floor yeah yeah yeah solid wood floors yeah I could talk a good wood
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yeah yeah yeah yeah a good wood floor yeah so was it more sales based stuff
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that you didn't know how to practically make no no it was also a space yeah yeah all sales based yeah which I love you
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know I quite like the sales bit you know yeah which is good so um do you ever
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like a period that you prefer sculpting no until you're just happy to just happy well
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apart from Ancients yeah um not because I don't like it it's just more fleshy bits
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so if it's got UniFi I know if it's got a uniform on it it won't take as long as doing fleshy
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Bears you know you can sort of gauge where if
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I push a tool in it that way it's going to create fold either side yeah so I can just
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jab the tool in and then keep going you know do like sort of five at a time it's not as intensive as doing is that down
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to the fact that you got so put off doing the thong on the giant here yeah you just don't see flesh anymore no that
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really put me off now I don't have to look we'll take a photo of it in a bit and put it up but wait
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or is it a bare skin
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wait turn it turn it around again Klingons Klingons there we go oh yeah
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close-up of his ass that is the first figure I ever sculpted oh amazing spinning around full scope so it's all
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by hand everything you do yeah yeah it's all by hand yeah yeah yeah is there a um do you prefer that Medium have you
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tried digital um I really don't don't want to do digital
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that's cool I'm probably like a Luddite and there's well Gary Molly was saying the same time yeah he hasn't moved over
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yeah so I think from such an early life I mean we had a model Railway when I was
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two I mean one of my earliest memories has been warned from not going near the The Loft hatch when they
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were building the model Railway mum and Dad's you know don't go any love to actually come over here you know that was like first so we've always had
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models or my mum um is really into her art so she's sort
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of really got us into drawing at an early age I think that was more so she could watch Sullivan's while I drew
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oh there's a TV show I haven't had mentioned in many a movie I don't even
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know what it is yeah it's like it was an Australian uh soap opera that was set Jorah in the second world war yeah yeah
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oh right yeah yeah and like a precursor to neighbors yes yeah no yeah like Neighbors The War years yeah oh I mean
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that sounds amazing yeah Mel Gibson was in one yeah yeah yeah yeah oh I mean
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neighbors yeah neighbors are nailed up everyone and Margot Robbie and Gary Pierce
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yeah g'day skip where did you get that Enfield rifle yeah
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I think we need to get some more voice Savers like that please German Swiss
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um yeah so with all what sorry I leaned on stuff
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so um yeah well I've always bit like the house has always said like mum's always
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been telling me to mates that you know do Arty things my dad was always sort of
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we had this model our way that we built together and I had model kits you know my my pocket money used to be spent on
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model kits and it just sort of snowballed from there really so I mean I've done
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green stuff in yeah more to fit fill gaps and yeah things and stuff like that and I still like my friend Stevie he was
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not me paying to me he's gone on he does digital sculpting now I still see it as like a weird magic where you just have a
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wire Armature yeah and I guess it's the Mind's Eye you've already got it in your head how it looks because sculpting for
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me even when I was like because I was doing art college illustration we did like 3D schools and stuff I always found it like just a bit hard for my brain to
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work out how you see that because a drawing I can use just like work out man yeah because it's 2D 3D has always been
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that sort of thing I never quite delved into and probably should at some point but yeah
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well it's like everything I it's not like I just went out and went I'm gonna make
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sculpt figures because you know I had tried and again it was like this is I
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can't do this you know you you look at people who scratch built figures and go like oh man have they managed to do that
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you know it's fair so but it would start off uh like just making a pouch
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or just doing one thing trying to get that and then once you sort of understand
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look at things in shapes so if um if it's a pouch it just starts off as a
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square and then you just mush it around a bit yeah and I think just I mean the first those World War One figures that I
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did have been like 20 years ago like Christ stayed looked like something coughed up really
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but you know it's compared to what I can do now it's just
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I I kind of just learned on the job yeah as opposed to being able to because I mean when I started a lot of people said
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oh you need to draw a lot you need to do this and you need to study anatomy and I've like I've never studied Anatomy
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I've no I've been drawn in years I mean I've got a gcsea in art but yeah
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um I haven't drawn anything for years so it's just I think that's just the
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repetitive nature of sculpting so much is has created it but I've always wanted
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a I've always been marveled at people that can make stuff out of you know just out
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of nothing using their hands and that's that's where I get the enjoyment of creating something and I I really not
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sure I may well eat my hat you know in 10 years time and go I'm actually so much fun on a digital
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screen but I just having the yeah the physical physical yeah because there's a guy when we started
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off bolt action Miniatures we got a guy Ian Armstrong who runs shq Miniatures and he fly
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Rockets to the moon or anything no no no no no his dad didn't yeah it's not
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um he said oh I I we got talking to him on the show scene
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and uh he said oh it said can you make us something and then me and my mate Simon's like can you make an 88 German
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88 millimeter oh wow and like people going why do you want that because you never use it on
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no I want it because it would look cool yeah yeah I don't care what you do without I want
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and he produced it out plastic card oh wow yeah so he does everything cuts it
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measures just calculator plastic yeah and a sharp light you know
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and that to me as opposed to I'd I can appreciate someone producing
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something like that out of scratch yeah as you know I'm sure it
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takes a lot of skill and a lot of to produce it on computer but the digital I just to me that's magic
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yeah yeah yeah I used to see Dave Andrews do that I used to have like um a lot of it was the white PVC sort of
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stuff that you used to carve into like plastic yeah and um I remember one day he was like struggling with something and we we'd
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ordered like stuff from like some random Expo um catalog where we used to get our
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super glues and things we got some calipers like some digital ones all right and does that have you ever used these before and because you know he was
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like trying to get a measurement he was like no I don't tend to have all these circular things that I just because like when you make it yeah yeah yeah yeah you
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just had all these different like circular pipes it was just his way of making all these fit cells up okay yeah
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it's a lot of sense but it was always mad just scene like how we would like make like doors and like brick work and
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stuff like that it was all just like carved into things and not just making like little um rivets and stuff it was just genius
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to watch which is where I got a lot of my inspiration for like doing my own kit bashing my own scenery builds but I'd never be able to make it into a product
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that would then be engineered that obviously that was his yeah with what I do it's a lot more forgiving
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the manufacturing because it's basically it's just a rubber type well yeah rubber mold so you've got a lot of give but
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when you're producing something that needs to be metal Mark you know in in a metal molds
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it's that again is a discipline I'm not I haven't got to yet maybe is
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historicals generally firmly rooted in um making things by hand and green stuff
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and kind of like more dare I say old-fashioned yeah old school yeah yeah come on come on
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yeah I think I think so because it's mainly I think most of the
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yeah probably are generalizing at the moment but it's somebody that's produced
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something for themselves the product the setup costs are a lot cheaper yeah and
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then you're producing something that you want and then you can put it into a market
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like going to shows where it's not actually paying for a table and people are paying for casting sometimes it's
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just paid for people's hobby yeah I know I was thinking actually when you were saying that because I was like oh but the pair is dealing plastic and there's
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a company that's dealing plastic oh but they all start off as 3D sculpted three hoops and stuff like that yeah yeah oh do they yeah yeah yeah yeah all right
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yeah they are yeah because I heard the term oh was it with the Eldar um yeah I
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can't remember the name of it uh like the Elder like tank or whatever it is oh yeah yeah yeah that was yeah yeah yeah
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so that's sculpted by hand three times the size yes scanned and then shrunk down yeah well it was Pentagon so I I
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visited where um the Perrys had their stuff done and you can watch they they put them in a like a a flat I
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and then what they do is they get like um a pen to trace over and then it it
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goes three times down into a little engraving tool into the actual metal all
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right so I mean this was about 10 15 years ago so you know they may have invested in a different way of doing it
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but it is literally just to take that stylus over yeah the figure oh right in sort of a
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block of where you want it to be in a mold yeah and then it replicates it over here in a block of metal which will
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become The Malt this is mad that's interesting it sounds just like some kind of Wizardry that too stupid to
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understand so it says the guy is really good at videography and cameras for sure yeah yeah there's a red the red button well I
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don't even hit the button anymore Jeff hits the button professor
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so I mean um you've done a lot over the years and um some of the reasons stuff you've been working on is like um
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Baron's war and yes like that you've got some other projects which we'll talk about in a minute um
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oh you you kindly donated a Rifleman Peach you nailed my head in my face so
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cute um what when it comes to school today have you had like things where you just I want to nail this this design or I
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want to get this lightness right have you ever had to like do an actual lightness to something yeah yeah I've done it myself so I've done like the
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sharp actors for Brigade games and I've done a lot of knots
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figures for Brigade games sort of historical I did um Steiner from Cross of iron
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yeah for Empress Miniatures but that that's always a character I've wanted to
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do yeah um I did uh there's a podcast we have ways
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of making you talk which is Al Murray and James Holland yeah yeah a couple of
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those for to help raise some money for one of their favorite charities
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um that was without them knowing I just did it and then yeah I've done this oh
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you made almarine yeah awesome yeah I did those overlock there actually because he was like building tanks on
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their live stream and I sort of did their faces on some 135th figures and sent them because he's very into his
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history yes yeah yeah so I've done a lot of lightnesses but is
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you can put the the putty on the where I'm going to do the heads and just so you put that that
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first cut in to make the the brow you can go that's going to look exactly like them yeah from the get-go and other
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times you'll do it and you go this is going to take about six seven times yeah yeah so it's either you hit it first
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time and it goes completely right and then other times you just go
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yeah they're gonna have to accept this do you think is that a model and thing
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or is it a state of mind do you think um I think it's a bit of both I think
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because I watched well I watch watched the show quite a lot
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um but it's if you can catch that a pictures in that character you might not
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even hit the lightness but it there's the atmosphere of that person yeah yeah yeah so if you can get them into like a
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um get the atmosphere and make them look like their natural pose then it it
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carries over yeah and it works bold
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yeah there's some some key areas that I could catch with you yeah it was quite
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yeah tiny ears yeah no that's a bit too much
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because some people are eating easier aren't they I remember um I remember going to a wedding and
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there was someone there doing character chores yes when we walked in the people who were having this couple who are
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having theirs done they um they spotted me and then they were like get him next get him next and the the character show
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a guy turns around and looks at me and I went I'm not going next I'm not giving you an easy job
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I thought you know I mean I could give that to a three-year-old I mean don't make it look like me yeah it was like
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that and to be fair you saw to look back at the company one two minutes that one these other people like sketches
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everything yeah I've been like glasses beard hair glasses beard hair bold yeah yeah the only thing goes increasingly as
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we've done with our uh our our t-shirts as the fact increasing them start to become aware which one I am too how gray
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people start from making me laugh yeah yeah yeah yeah
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it's been on me since the Civil War so I was gonna say like in the art that we've had done of the three of us
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um like me and you look similar but they seem to make me ginger yeah
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I've got brown hair and a ginger beard I disagree
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I heard that Ginger people don't lose their hair is that right you don't don't get receding hairline is ginger and he
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has no hair like me oh okay foreign
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yeah when we're at Workshop there's a little drawing there peachy and uh there's a lovely uh last chord Set uh
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called Sarah she she Drew like little images from yeah yeah unfortunately it was like Roger and
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myself Adam Troke and load of guys in the department that were just boggled with facial hair and it's like how to
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make them what look different so she just took like a random helmet favorite Imperial Guard regimen that was like
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yeah that's definitely yeah because I'm holding that yeah like I can look at that I can be like yeah yeah it could
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pass is like but we all look the same generics yeah it could be any invisibility
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generic bold guy uh love it so you worked a workshop for five years yeah
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and we've got a question someone um in fact I took it in now because I might as well which is from
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um because I want to answer it uh Matthew Condon has said did you manage
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GW Arrow I did yeah you managed a few didn't you yes so what have I who have I
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managed where have I managed they've all pretty much shut down yeah is that because of you
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so in games workshops Infinite Wisdom when I manage just when I passed my
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managers course when they had those boot camp crazy boot camps that you're up there for oh yeah yeah was this using
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the Marine file as well did you yeah I think so yeah and the Ten Commandments yeah yeah they never left did they right
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and then I my first shop was Sutton which was to get from where I lived to
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Saturn was a two and a half hour south London right South London yeah it's a two and a half hour Journey there and
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two and off our journey back every day yeah so that was my but they
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so I did that for two weeks but the manager of Richmond's lived in Sutton
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it seems like yeah so luckily he had a bit of a pull with the area managers
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yeah let's swap so which was helpful
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um and then I I went from there to Richmond and then Richmond I managed
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South Kensington which was nice that was and then South Kensington then back to
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havo yeah I started off as a full-timer at Harrow back in 95 yeah my name is
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marriage um Hammersmith oh what was it Tim Tim hancorn
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before or after your time I don't know no because I did my manager's training with um
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going out um Jamie Thorne the because it was at darling Road
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the um the first GW and then it moved up the onto the High Street
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and then that's yeah I've worked in both of those yeah so I've pretty much worked around most of the London stores yeah at
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the time yeah yeah I did my um like when I was a staff and we had like the Marine Farm I did my managed train around about 2004 so it
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wasn't that long after you probably when you left because you left 2000 yeah yeah um I
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sorry I've just ignited My lightsaber I do apologize just pleased to see me
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it's red I'm just totally sorry just struggles to control himself yeah it's
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good job it's not double-edged doggy lipstick oh God uh my mind immediately
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went there but I kept quiet we had a case of that this morning because uh I hate to turn doggy lips for
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the red rocket we had the case I had a case that this morning because we walked the dog in the park and then this morning became aware that I thought I
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think she's just come into season oh it's like on the leads out the park because she was getting too much
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unwanted attention yeah yeah yeah [Music]
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um I actually found the the training that I used to get quite useful um I know nowadays when we talk about
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the black book it does seem quite cool Tish and stuff like that but the training I had when I was a staff member and a manager was quite practical quite
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useful and I do remember um for a time it was the Pinnacle of customer service yeah and other
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companies would would look against Workshop as a model um did you find that the same with your
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experiences or was it yeah for the managers training yeah I think to be honest I think I was probably just
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too immature and just wanted to play with toys you know go make sure you you talk to
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everyone that comes in the store and it's like yeah but a lot of people just don't want to get be engaged when
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they come in yeah yeah if you had a new manager or something
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make sure you talk to yeah yeah okay I think I'm sorry the thing I was used to get was uh like
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you know it's a regular they've come 100 times you've done that yeah and you get because we used to be one of the training stores where you get a new girl
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yeah come in and you're like why aren't you talk to that Customer because that's Dave he's been here for 15 years yeah he'd play that's this he collects this
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he collects this he only came in to get that books we spoke about last week yeah we didn't go up and talk to him I know you're looking off a crib sheet
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mate but I know the customer so it was always quite weird yeah yeah yeah go and talk to someone for the sake of talking to please a guy that didn't know
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anything about what was going on at that moment in time she said I was in there uh I was in there last Monday funny
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enough and I'm blessing that on Friday Lane they are lovely but it's like I I know exactly what I came in for yeah I
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feel like we should go in with a small piece of card but as they approached he just told them it's got no written on it no no no I know what I want yeah yeah
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did you do many games days because yes yeah yeah I did funny enough
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I did I was just thinking about this games today must have been 97.
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and uh I was walking around with the assistant manager of the Plaza store because it was such a prestigious store
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it had two managers oh wow yeah double mode that sounds like a conflict of interesting and
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um this kid came out can I have your autograph I went so I'm just a staff member and he said oh yeah because you
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sculpted that because this this very giant ended up in a white dwarf cool just for the Plaza store and then it was
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a picture and he goes you you made that channel yeah I did random chart yeah
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that's where it all began yeah and then the other ones you'd get put on a retail stand I hate the retail stands yeah but
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I just went you just got it's uh can I have my break and then you just go look around the
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studio no one would bother you yeah and then go back up and then I think one year I just got back from my lunch and
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someone go for your break now yep see you later
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cheers yeah they were meant I the thing I used to hate about
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um the big games Day events was you'd have like uh participation games going yeah so each store would make like a 4x4
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table Yeah like a game there'll be a theme or whatever and you'd get like a like an I guess like a Pit Master of the
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area and he'd be walking along like there's a manager or whatever yeah yeah they're not as loud as that table so
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they could be like that table's loud and you need to be louder yeah it's by the end of it you're like you're literally coughing up blood because you're
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shouting so much yeah you haven't just shout war and stuff it was it was weird I hated that so I just you know never
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really got on board with like the over the top sort of enthusiasm when I I because I
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was a part-timer at the Plaza store 92 and I had an ultramarine an RT b01
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ultramarines Army I was dead pleased with and I they put it in the cabinet
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and I went in the next day and it was like game stay and I was a customer game stay
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and I was like where's my army gun are we taking it to games day did you get a choice and I was like huh yeah yeah it
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would be it's going to be used on the table and I was like no it's not yeah yeah so
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I just went that's and my figures I'm taking them back yeah thank you very much yeah let's just started
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because I I was like painting up a like I had an Empire Army no figure was
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allowed to touch another figure in the and you see people that are just like oh yeah yeah
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anxiety inducing yeah one of my favorite moments in because as a manager you did
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recruitment we used to have recruitment days and stuff and you had like about 10 15 folks coming to to look for a job and
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they bring the thicker cases you have a look and you'll be like doing like one-on-ones group activities but you do like one-on-one interviews and stuff you
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like shows your models talk about your models this guy gets like a wash basket like you know like your little Peg basket linen basket thing filled for the
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models to the top and he just goes yes it's my Army and we were like
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no that was still it was like it wasn't even an army it was just a bit yeah yes it was like a bit box it was bizarre I
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was like yeah that's someone who doesn't care about maintaining things well you spent so much time painting or
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converting and then just for people to you know all the things yeah or you know
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they'd get them regiment and then obviously because it was Rank and yeah it smashed it into like a tournament or
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something it just got oh crap please don't do that yeah when
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you you or you can just feel bad for how they treat their own yeah I've had a few people treat them like as
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if they're actually like you know you just break together yeah some people just cheat them like they are literally just chess pieces yeah you know it's
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like you know just throw it in a box at the end of the game and that's you know yeah you complain about the price or something then that's what you do with
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them yeah yeah well Luke did you see that one from um Louise's um she did a show about like um
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Games Workshop sins of things oh yeah the confessions yeah yeah and did you see the the guy had been like had all
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the jaw and the the tournament adored at KFC and greasy fingers and was just moving
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his Miniatures around and then at the end of the game I'm sorry at the end of the game before put them in the box he
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just licked he just sucked them all back in the box
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I'm not going to show you but I remember one of our games one of our buddies in our gaming group we were playing uh like
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a big Fantasy game and you know you have like packets of Christmas stuff oh yeah
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[Laughter]
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the guy was wearing a vest
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yeah salty so being a workshop you've obviously
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experienced sci-fi and fantasy and stuff like that but obviously a lot of stuff you do is very hysterical yeah do you
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scooped this is like leading into the the new thing do you sculpt anything um fantasy base or have before
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[Music] it has mainly been historicals even my
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uh fantasy Army was Empire which is pretty much Perry's yeah yeah the best of fantasy office
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such a shame they got rid of that range just coming back it's coming back yeah and the platonians as well someone said
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uh this this triggered me a little bit because I've got a darker girlfriend that's like that because it's old world it's just old yeah not going to like the
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new world with like lustrian uh nagaroth and stuff like that so the dark elves aren't having anything yet which makes me sad yeah I can't can't get my head
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around that age of Sigma just it's just fancy I mean I like some of
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the design Aesthetics and stuff and I like the idea I can create what I want but it does personally miss a lot of the
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attachment that I used to have yeah for the old world yeah I know the new those new city is
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what they this is a sigma dude yeah they look good yeah I like them but they're like they live on what plane what world
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yeah again that that's the thing right yeah because I was I think it was a previous podcast where I was like if you
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had more of a designer set instructor in fact that's what I was talking to the other day like with they made the
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stormcast right which base means in in the past yeah makes me night and you did
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these different iterations you had like the warrior chamber which was the first ones which are really clunking I'm not as a fan of them whereas the newer ones
41:45
the thunderstrike look really nice there's a little bit more slime yeah then you've got these other Aesthetics where they had what was called the um
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extremist chamber which would like stormcast with like drag any sculpted shoulder pads riding like dragons and
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like big lizardy dragon monsters that feels like it should be a storm cast faction in a certain realm as opposed to
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everyone has it and it just makes different colors you know you get like your flavors of Space Marines yeah yeah that feels like a flavor yeah
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thing yeah yeah yeah you've got the Vanguard ones which have all the bare skins on them they've got like bare sculpted helmets and they've got like
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laxes and they have like like they look like hundreds and again it's like the Space Wolves of yeah yeah yeah yeah stormcast it's like that should be a
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flavor now and then you know build up on that whereas it's just like yeah we've done the blue ones of these we've done
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the white ones of these and on the black ones of these inside
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I think it's just because I that's the period of Games Workshop I grew up in yeah and that that's I'm sure there's
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lots of people watching this going you know it's you're talking to the Dark Ages
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but there's some without there for everyone isn't it and I think that was the biggest my my biggest thing with
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Workshop is they destroyed and started again where they could have like kept it going alongside I mean do you think no
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that's because there was a lot of people taking chunks out of them at the time aren't they oh yeah yeah so they just
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needed to refresh refresh and then put their mark on it because the ads was
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that company in Spain that pretty much made the chapter house it was chapter no not chapter house they had a metal
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Miniatures company which was basically it looked like GW stuff I can't remember
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what they were called now because I I can think of Rackham which did confrontations yeah but that was really a French aren't they they were French
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and that that was really sort of quite high oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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yeah because the funny thing is I can that um that most recent uh ogre that's
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walking around with the with the yeah yeah they did like a turret didn't they yeah yeah he's got a crow's nest on his
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back it's so the minute I looked at that I thought Christ that looks like competition yeah they do have a lot of the confrontation sculptors
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really yeah some competition really high end high-end yeah fantasy and it's absolute yeah yeah you know what I mean
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to the point where some of it like the ads are racing at that were um they had to race in it that were like
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some mad scientist underground had been like uh adapting humans and other creatures into becoming and they were
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like biomechanical to the point that you looked at them if you looked at them solitarily you go well that's a science
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fiction range or in actual fact that it was part of this fantasy range but so they really pushed fantasy to its limits
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like even like um their equivalent of like a they had like a chaos I don't know like a chaos dwarf he would be I
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suppose dressed like a in like like a surgeon's Gear with like mad hair and goggles but then the bottom offers belty
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was just by it was just mechanical spider legs you know it's a really pushed that side of it yeah but yeah I
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love the confrontation range and so sadly shot themselves on the foot with it but you know yeah the pre-paints
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wasn't it yeah they went yeah we'll never do plastics and then within a year they've done not only these on plastic but we pre-painted them for you and you
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think it's so ridiculous because it was such a painter's range yeah you know but yeah terribly sad so yeah it's a am I
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have I done well I'm just embarking with Andy Hobb day because we've done The
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Baron's War stuff together yeah so the the Barons war is sort of a combination between me and Andy hobday he does
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all the intelligent stuff and I do all of these here's the brains I'm the porn
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um so we've done it's a partnership um and then it's sold through futs or
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Miniatures and uh we did the first one that went really
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well and then we did the second one and while it was going on I was like I could do some Robin Hood figures
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but they're but maybe people just think oh I'm doing Robin Hood that's a bit fantasy you know you're sort of Muddy in
45:45
the waters and you're going no people really liked them and you know yeah yeah so the third one Kevin Costner
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documentary was great yeah yeah it was great yeah I haven't done Morgan Freeman yet yeah and then the third one we we
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based it on sort of the Robin Hood the death and taxes which was sort of a Robin Hood Type
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and it's like these figures would work really well in sort of a fancy setting and we
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um we have a guy in Germany Daniel who is
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is it mvh painting I don't know no you've
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mentioned yes yes yeah yeah Lord of the Rings yeah yeah I always want to say HMV I've probably got it really well it's h
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um VM yeah yeah they do a lot of um Lord of the Rings painting yeah really
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nice video yeah yeah I've seen some of it well he's yeah he's done all of our
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uh wargate he's done all of our balance War stuff yeah and he's put him into actually atmospherical you know really
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fantastic pictures and he was gonna at least make really good sort of fantasy figures and then
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that just got me and Andy's mind working away so we're going to embark on a fantasy
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range nice under the brand Hub day and Hicks update yeah yeah did you solve crime in
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the afternoon as well yeah yeah yeah there's a couple of old ladies
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um yeah so we're gonna it's all gonna be very grounded in um uh sort of a kind of grime it's not
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going to be high fantasy at all and uh Daniel was posted a picture of the York's that we've done yeah yeah I
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didn't realize that that's what the project was there yeah yeah yeah that's um I bought a few for you to have a look
47:33
at today so they're um it's all going to be very grounded um and it really
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sort of gritty as well um and we've got some great ideas
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um yeah so that this is the next hoping to have it outdone and dusted by the end
47:49
of the year so if I've got an existing Baron's warband that'll fit perfectly into yeah yeah it's all going to fit in
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size wise yeah yeah yeah so um Andy's I think he's gonna upload um he's been
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to an event and he's show you know they've play tested the the magic
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I am rules it's not all going to be like well there'll be a bit of that but it
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won't be death and does it won't be the be-all end also yeah yeah very grounded
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in the Barons wore sort of um rules that we have already that Andy's done uh yeah so it's
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all it's all going to be hand sculpted again so where that's the the real grittiness
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that we're gonna go for yeah well I'll take some photos after impossible yeah please I would love it yeah yeah but
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I've I've seen that picture now yeah yeah yeah and I just didn't collect the darts yeah but yeah that's a really nice photo oh yeah yeah
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sort of the idea is that they get their um their sort of magic through
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um sort of the demise of others a bit like um you know like Romans where they
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would look at in in Trails for Omens and stuff like that but they'd sort of take that to the next level of being able to
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cast where where trophies is a a sort of a
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protection yeah that's that's a kind of aesthetic we're gonna go for that sounds quite good yeah yeah I've got the uh
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bunch of Barons of War stuff that you kindly sent to me yeah no that was Andy sent that to you yeah yeah yeah yeah so
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I've got some uh some some things to keep me going but I've always liked the concept of that and one of my buddies
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from Workshop uh James let me um sent me a photo of like a bunch of Templars he was doing he just did a
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little because he's a really good photographer head office and he just did a load of these um I guess the the black field of the white
49:50
cross which I always want to see Knights of Saint John but I'm not sure if that's that feel white cross that is a nice I'm probably just making a real massive faux
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party they're Templars yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they're of an order yeah just
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deliver it a little setup he's painting like a handful of me just like had a little background of um there's TV with
50:08
some desert and he just sprinkles yeah it looks so good the photo does he was like oh you know you have to get into
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this because I'm I'm a big fan of the old game Cry Havoc yeah yeah well that that's that is literally where Andy said
50:21
the inspiration came from was quite Havoc because to be honest I'm not that much of a gamer I really don't have time
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and there's not many people well there's nobody around where I live that play games yeah
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um and I just I have more fun just making sculpting yeah and not even painted just that's where my yeah yeah
50:41
my hobby satisfaction comes from uh yeah and then Andy that's Cry Havoc
50:47
was his but those Barons were it was just we did one and then we're like next time we could do this and you could do
50:53
that and it'll be great if we have or we have a village that's you know just populated by you know cat weasel
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one for the kids yeah I was just like oh we need a somebody mad that lives in
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this yes if we just and then build up stories that's what I enjoy is like
51:11
building up but then you can go into like like the Game of Thrones territory and just have like households and banner
51:18
man and like different like Coats of Arms and stuff and just you know you don't even have to have like like weird
51:23
magic and stuff Like These two factions or at each other so it's a made-up realm yeah or whatever yeah yeah that's what I
51:28
love about that kind of rule system where you can you can do what you want with it yeah that's that's exactly you
51:34
know we we wanted something which is it's not governed by existing law or
51:41
anything we can just make what we want and and just the enthusiasm will hopefully well we'll come out through
51:47
you know what we produce yeah yeah Omega should we jump onto some Patron questions let's do it yeah yeah have you
51:54
got them on your phone I've got them already fired up so Harry bow Harry bow not related to any kind of sweet treat
52:00
uh it's asking the tough questions of the show which is marmite yes or no no okay simple good night uh wife loves it
52:08
luckily my daughter does not wear the flip in our house it's only me really I
52:13
like it nobody else does no yeah wife and Charlie not have not fans me big fan I've dropped a knife today with it on
52:19
and the dog came running over and leave the dog yeah anything that's just the scraping to the bottom of a beer yeah oh
52:27
did it tasted good well I think if you can start your morning on beer and end it on beer to go yeah yes so I've got a
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question for you quick Jeff Lynne uh because I I was foxed by this I like peanut butter I like Marmite I do not
52:41
like Marmite peanut butter I see I don't like peanut and it's like that is knitted some things isn't it that it's
52:46
true too much time thinking if they should be
52:53
doing it I could have been doing that but my wife had Marmite as a part of her
52:59
hangover cure yeah yeah because it's meant no sort of set with a stomach I
53:05
suppose it is quite goopy yeah Marmite um marmite into into hotly buttered
53:10
crumpets is the way form oh interesting sparkly buttered crumpets you ruined two
53:16
things we need to get some ASMR worst thing
53:22
I've ever heard yeah um is from a friend of ours is uh is a PT
53:30
and she suggested baked beans on crumpets oh I've had
53:35
babies I've had baked beans you're talking about PT I did the um I used to
53:40
know somebody who came into the shop for a haircut and he um he was like Mega CrossFit yeah guy you know and um
53:47
because obviously he's filling up on protein and fats all the time because we're almost and um whitens his coffee
53:53
with butter
54:00
there was a guy who did um it was a program of Discovery and he ran round he ran up the length of the UK
54:07
swam around the whole of it Ginger hairy black yeah yeah and he was
54:13
just going and he had like all like Shepherd's bite and he was just throwing butter into yeah yeah is it I was it a
54:23
few years ago he swam around there was a chat that swam around the UK yeah yeah and he he swallowed so much
54:30
sea water that like he got a nickname Rhino tongue because all of his tongue
54:36
had just like he could just pull chunks of it off oh yeah he's like really Grim oh yeah we're talking about mixing
54:43
things used up around we had a an army officer who'd done his two years attachment with the SAS and
54:50
um because he wasn't prepared to give his commission up he has to come back after a couple of years and um I I was
54:55
friends with a with a female officer who found obviously being attached to an infantry regiment just bizarre anyway
55:01
and she says he comes in and obviously being the officer's mess they're eating courses and she says it's like he's got
55:08
somewhere else important to be as he comes in and he just tips his soup over his dinner and then just eats all just
55:15
gets up and leaves yeah just just literally apparently just
55:21
pauses soup like a gravy all over whatever he's eating and just Nails it there's a situation
55:31
I had uh I ran out of bread so I recently had a fried egg on a crumpet and that was okay
55:38
stuff brown sauce on mine she would talk about that thing of
55:44
things that you like being mixed it's like you know when people go oh I always have like red sauce on a Sunday dinner I always think you'll be taking on second
55:50
shots oh yeah I've got my mind you're literally breaking the bounds of
55:56
British tradition I would say yeah it's almost as traitorous yeah but is
56:02
there not like a north-south divide here what's acceptable wouldn't it no that should never be acceptable on either
56:08
from the south that's not acceptable is it no it might Jesse's sing with everywhere we go he would take his own
56:15
Heinz tomato sauce I love Heinz tomato sauce yeah but even like to his mums if she's
56:21
done a milk oh how do you be disowned I think this should be a dish of reserve a tower at
56:27
London at the tower red sauce on Sunday dinners oh instead of gravy let's get
56:32
started yeah in general um where's the gravy yeah Oh that's oh oh that oh no no no no no no please give
56:42
us some questions yeah let's give me another food related one I'm afraid I love our formation
56:47
we'll get past the food ones if we're going to like the Ninja Turtles uh to mix it up what's your least favorite
56:53
cheese this is from Alex cope or plastic cheese
57:00
no they're released triangles never got on with them never Millie baby Belle oh yeah yeah
57:08
yeah they're kind of plastic it starts always great thing with baby ballads or we always catch the kids with it is every year is the little we've uh just a
57:15
Christmas report we put I put come in with my hands with with the like of those of them in
57:20
like a while ago baby Jesus
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[Music] it's a dad joke oh absolutely I mean I
57:36
had a friend that used to have him every lunch at school and used to you know the wax thing yeah constantly like make stuff out of the wax yeah
57:42
like scoop little things just stick around school if there's anything on the table if it's
57:48
like blue Tech or anything yeah yeah Jeff makes dice
57:54
as well I think yeah we used to do a show at um in Italy and
58:01
our best friends came with us because what we used to do is it was on Ryanair and you uh used to
58:08
just be out not have to pay for your luggage so you've got like 20 kilos so you put all
58:14
your stock in you take all your clothes in the carrier and we'd stay in this lovely
58:19
um town in Italy they'd put a show on and like my best friend a couple came
58:24
with us and Sally was sat next to me at the show I think Kerry was still in bed with a hangover and my best mate Darren
58:32
didn't want to come out so she was just there making something out of my putty
58:37
because I was just making figures while selling and then there just like comes out oh what are you sculpting and broken
58:46
English she went a pizza
58:53
okay expecting something
59:01
awesome but you know the soldier got to eat they have yeah absolutely right we
59:07
have her fourth this looks like a big womp cell okay hey Paul thanks for coming to our favorite hobby talk format
59:13
cool Cheers Cheers Cheers what is your favorite miniature scale for gaming not painting but obviously we
59:20
now know you don't do much gaming no no no I don't actually
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no I I love I do love looking at looking at
59:33
games yeah yeah I just I think I get a lot of pleasure from seeing what people do with what I make so that's like
59:39
that's where I get sort of the enthusiasm so it's definitely 28 because that's what I appreciate and that's
59:46
it was the scale of Games Workshop when I started yeah I remember you saying like you you got like a lot of people
59:52
saying you should be doing 20 mil but that was like airfix scales yeah yeah it's because back then everyone had like
59:57
a matchbox ethics kids yeah it's fazda that do like the uh they do 15 I think I
1:00:03
do 15. I think they tried to do their own and then you had Battlefront didn't you but Battlefront didn't really come
1:00:10
into I think that's quite a little bit later on isn't it yeah and they're about 15s
1:00:16
they're 15s yeah and so yeah so why six um so what is
1:00:23
your favorite major scale for gaming not painting and why is six millimeter and 50 millimeters so much behind on the mass Market is it do you know why 15
1:00:31
million it's just because it's more than people don't like to smoke yeah I do do love the a being the polyonex yeah
1:00:38
they're amazing yeah and then Gary I've heard that story you know Gary Morley was talking about he he sculpts because
1:00:45
the uh Paula Empress knows these sculpts really well a b Miniatures and these
1:00:51
guys yeah yeah it does yeah it's crazy here's World War II stuff's amazing ah
1:00:57
yeah a b World War II is just outstanding
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for large scale things like Waterloo just doesn't make sense so I obviously do like Waterloo and stuff with the
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things I do with Duncan but yeah yeah yeah it'd be nice to see sort of a 28
1:01:17
mil Frontage but maybe with six mil figures because you get an idea more of like that um what's the diorama at the
1:01:24
national Army museum oh is that what the parents have done no it's uh sibon
1:01:30
cyborg it was done just after the battle so he got round and he asked all of the
1:01:36
the generals where they were and it's this huge dive armor they made and it's
1:01:41
got its own room in the National Army museum it's amazing I need to check that and apparently Wellington saw it and then the prussians were there like
1:01:48
depicted on the diorama it's like no no just move those over it's not yeah
1:01:56
it's just like oh can we push them around please yeah yeah that's amazing
1:02:02
uh good witch is asking what are your favorite ancients anything without skin I imagine yeah pretty much yeah I did
1:02:09
Romans did romance for warlord games hmm
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um I I did Romans I did like their first the metal bits that went with their Plastics because their Romans were the
1:02:21
first that they did um yes I did a lot of their metal
1:02:26
figures to go with eyes so yeah romance probably yeah it's a uniforms yeah yeah I suppose yeah and
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you've got like different timelines that you can identify yeah as well did Romans upgrade like clone troopers like every
1:02:39
war it was like a slightly different uh I don't think it got worse or better I don't know they some of that mids that's
1:02:45
the Mark II helmet yeah yeah well they do because when they because I remember what was it that time watch that the
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Perrys had do you remember that yeah yes yeah yeah so that was like oh I want 28
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mil Romans now yeah um they upgraded all their armor didn't they for the dacian campaign they put in
1:03:03
extra armor bits yeah interesting and then like armored arms didn't they
1:03:09
because they they since had those two-handed curved what was that fashion stuff not
1:03:15
fashion I don't know which one you mean yeah but it's like a a scythe double-handed so so they they had to
1:03:22
build up extra armor to take that on yeah and also as well with the Romans as well some of their um armor and uniform
1:03:28
reflected where the men again is from in the world as well so they would you know if they went oh these guys in this
1:03:35
particular part of the world are phenomenal of being archers yeah when they came in the helmets would reflect where they were from not the one not the
1:03:42
arms I've done a lot of figures for games of Rome as well yeah so yeah obviously
1:03:48
romance I loved him yes Romans are cool Gladiators your interest in life I've done Gladiators for gay
1:03:55
games yeah yeah that was quite interesting that was actually the year my daughter was born yeah yeah so it's
1:04:00
remember I worked on a paint some stuff about because when Warhammer did war historical as they were doing Colosseum
1:04:07
game yeah and I went with Ian Strickland and he was getting that and I was so excited for it and then it just died to death G dubs did historical yeah yeah
1:04:16
Warhammer historicals I went to because that's so hot yeah you could even have
1:04:22
Warhammer Cowboy game yeah yeah Midwest yeah and non-gw models in the hall yeah
1:04:28
yeah I went there because it was Miniatures agnostic yeah yeah I've got signed
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Chariot Awards by the Paris hmm yeah yeah because they did um Old West Staff
1:04:40
who didn't then moved on to like the Alamo and the Mexican war yeah and then I remember them doing World War one and
1:04:45
Dave and Ali did a lot of the because they had Great War Miniatures yeah still have Great War Miniatures and then yeah there was loads of other stuff there was
1:04:52
uh Waterloo uh so I got some stuff in the Waterloo book um that the Perrys and Jervis Johnson
1:04:57
wrote um and they did Trafalgar as well I think they did Trafalgar yeah and then
1:05:03
they just pulled a plug on it yeah yeah um robbery was like yeah yeah Rob bro yeah no no Rob quite well yeah yeah so
1:05:10
yeah pulled the plug on it and I don't know if it was just like a change of mindset but probably didn't like people coming in with non-games Workshop
1:05:15
figures into the Halls yeah I guess it's like great because a lot of it was The Lord of the Rings rule system yeah yeah
1:05:22
it was what I said and we all know PG hates which is basically the same real system
1:05:27
for warhamster wasn't it warm master I love Walmart yeah
1:05:37
yeah a few people in the comments in the past yeah but black powders just warmasters like yeah we know because it's a great rule system uh it's one of
1:05:44
the only games that could get my head round yeah that's the other reason I don't gain much is because I'm absolutely diabolical so yeah I mean
1:05:52
give me both buttons doesn't stop me keep going out there losing game after game yeah I'll go to tournaments I did
1:05:59
tournaments for a while because there's like a group of four of us that used to go to tournaments and then I lose interest off my throat I
1:06:07
don't know especially if there's someone who's desperate to win so what I start doing my groups of mates now is I have
1:06:12
one rule system that I try and learn and understand which is war cry for me yeah um and I suppose like Middle Earth as
1:06:18
well because it's quite easy to get into your real system and then like Duncan will be like going oh I've got Song of
1:06:24
Ice and Fire I'm like you tell me what I'm doing yeah I'll drink beer and eat some crisps you just tell me yeah yeah
1:06:29
yeah yeah and I don't mind that and it's like a dynamic we're kind of used to whereas he builds his warm his armies
1:06:35
and stuff like that I've got these two fours I've got like the Lannisters versus the Starks and I'm like cool I've got these wall bandages to play with so
1:06:40
this is our Dynamic now are we like Steve's the same he wants to get into fall and I want to do Skyrim oh okay so
1:06:48
yeah yeah it's good uh you know back in the day when I was young it was like not
1:06:54
much at all no no because now every everyone's at it uh Dave just Dave is
1:07:00
asking what are your favorite and least favorite miniature Scoops you've made police favorite
1:07:06
I don't know but at least I think I could
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probably the first ones because they're not up to what I would want them to be now
1:07:19
if you see what I mean yeah yeah yeah but not that I don't don't like them yeah
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um because I think you put in so much you have to sort of really get infused
1:07:30
about them otherwise it takes forever to do it yeah because if you're not if you're not interested in the periods and
1:07:37
you're not infused about sculpting that figure it's going to take forever to do yeah so
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um favorite
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yeah there's been many there's loads so you just go I think once I've made them
1:07:56
and I'm like and they go off and then they get because a lot of time I take photos
1:08:03
to say oh I've done the work here's the invoice can I have my money and then you see people who put them up
1:08:09
as like this is what's coming out it's like no that's just a quick photo
1:08:14
is it sort of then to some degree is your favorite or is the next ones yeah yeah yeah I always what's the the figure
1:08:22
that you're most infused about making that you're excited about yeah the ones that I'm got to do next yeah yeah yeah
1:08:28
yeah so it's always you know if I'm excited about sculpting anything I'm in
1:08:34
bed like oh just having a look what kind of photos I need to look at doing that
1:08:39
you know need this or especially during the World War II stuff for Empress miniatures
1:08:45
just going over and over photos again right that'll make a great pose yeah that needs to be done yeah it's all of
1:08:52
that yeah I think some of the World War II stuff I've done for Empress is my favorite yeah because of doing the stuff
1:08:58
about action and then not getting to do it again
1:09:04
yeah that was a bit of a bone of contention but then the Avenue got opened up again with uh
1:09:10
Empress Miniatures and I could just really put it yeah yeah let's get behind it again
1:09:16
revisit things yeah yeah that was a you know it was a good period of time
1:09:21
Joe Rogers have random do you like The Age of Empires computer PC series and if
1:09:26
so which one is your favorite it's quite a classical game to be Affairs if you ever played it Age of Empires two Age of
1:09:34
Empire is my favorite you put the cheats in and you get the Little Robot Man and the you can get uh like a Shelby is it
1:09:41
Cobra like the car oh right and and it's like oh yeah I'm gonna build my pyramid and my Shrine to my garden I'm gonna
1:09:46
mine some gold and here's my car it's got guns and that's why it's my favorite it's
1:09:52
always where yeah because you have like different advances there but all I remember is the uh the person that did the wood cutting would go Chopper the
1:09:58
person that did like all the berry collecting we're going to gather yeah you remember that so it's I've never got
1:10:06
got on with computer games it's fine it's not for everyone no not for everyone uh I'm captain analog okay
1:10:15
that's why you probably prefer physical sculptures yep makes a lot of sense uh Stephen Dyer
1:10:22
what are your thoughts on details on Miniatures less is less more oh
1:10:28
um depends so good questions the
1:10:34
the latest GW stuff I do love but I think I've got the um mate Simon I
1:10:41
started bolt action with donated to me the to try and get me to actually do a kill
1:10:47
Team Force was the Krieg oh yeah and they're great
1:10:53
but they've all sort of and like the new Cadence they're all off doing different things yeah yeah and I love you know all
1:10:59
the old Perry stuff which actually looked like it was a cohesive unit
1:11:06
and then if it because I'm playing it was actually more displaying having a collection it looks
1:11:13
so much nicer together than sort of All In Action poses so yeah I'm definitely it's a weird combination that I fall
1:11:20
right in the middle that is that sometimes like when I start a box of like uh of generally like I've been making Marine Summer Sun I'll be
1:11:28
disappointed that there isn't more of them just looking down the sides of the ball yeah firing yeah and then also I
1:11:35
immediately go Oh look at this one who's pulling the pin out of a hand grenades and I get quite excited by the ones you are doing weird stuff yeah but then I
1:11:41
always feel that the the boxes aren't balanced enough they should be just 50 of a 10 man box should just be fire and
1:11:47
I've gone in the shoulder or from the hip and a lot of the time it's like oh he's looking over there or he's checking
1:11:54
the north specks or he's getting a phone call on his wrist yeah and I love all that because you know real war lots of
1:12:00
that sort of stuff is going on people are having to do things all the time you know especially 21st century soldiers now we're at one
1:12:07
point in time one man carried a radio and the senior guy answered everyone has a radio everyone's doing something else
1:12:13
as well but I do sometimes think you write that when you look at a box that there's too many people just doing other
1:12:19
things and the worst of it is I'm a sucker for them having to build them when I know that I shouldn't because
1:12:24
when I did my Ultraman Army oh over 30 years ago those were the the holding a
1:12:32
grenade or throwing a grenade those were the bits that you could do yourself yeah yeah so you could put that character in
1:12:38
yeah but that it seems that option is now taken away from choice that is one of the builds yeah yeah so I think
1:12:44
there's that creativity that storytelling of your own Force
1:12:50
is sort of taken away a little bit yeah yeah um so I've got a it might be a
1:12:56
contentious subject uh you can disagree in the comments if you wish to my favorite kill team set is the sisters of
1:13:02
battle one they never shoots because they give you the option to make them all with rifles
1:13:07
or with pistol and sword or all of the Specialists which I really like and they're not super detailed they have
1:13:13
like a belt yeah a pouch and you can add a pistol if you want to and that's it yeah and I like that set for that alone
1:13:19
if I want to go a bit more in depth and do some cool conversions extra stuff I can add that if I want to the thing with
1:13:24
the Death Clock 3 which really annoys me when I can't be bothered to paint Napoleonic details I buy great coat
1:13:30
models yeah because they've got a gray coat on them yeah death core query get the great Coke but then they put everything on top of it yeah well that's
1:13:37
the fact that one of the militias in it it's got medals yeah yeah just at least you can stick them on you can decide whether he's been brave
1:13:44
enough or not but the Forge World death Creek I thought that was amazing yeah yeah who are those
1:13:50
the like the Airborne oh I can drop you oh I introduced Pat to them with a ball
1:13:56
pup yeah that's right yeah I liked with them was that um if they
1:14:02
were heavy weapons the crates that the weapon had landed and I've come down on the uh on the the the thrusters have
1:14:09
brought them down on and so you have like guys firing a light looking version of a heavy ball set yeah yeah crate it
1:14:15
it landed in you use that as a as a fire and platform I love that range I can't believe what I haven't resurrected that
1:14:22
well apparently it was just yeah and you know better than me don't use that it's
1:14:27
if it forged world if it just doesn't sell they cut it down yeah yeah but it's a just as a a squad well the annoying
1:14:35
thing was is they got rhythm but you can still buy a leashing green at the time and named up they're still like
1:14:41
featuring like the the books as a planet with background stuff so you know they still exist yeah they had a buggy yeah
1:14:48
yeah they did it yeah was it was all cohesive yeah it was the
1:14:54
first time that I'd ever seen Games Workshop I've done a sniper line on the floor on a half roll trying to get into a pouch to get another magazines
1:15:02
everything had to bypass because military modelers were scooped in those yeah yeah
1:15:07
so they knew their their stuff yeah uh Ian Michael Taylor Taylor Sorry I love
1:15:13
The Baron's War figures that Paul did he uh if he could spec spectate one battle from history which would it be oh that's
1:15:19
a question or spectate one battle you only get one probably something like Waterloo you say yeah
1:15:27
absolutely something like that also once the French get a good old thrashing all the squares at Salamanca oh yeah
1:15:34
yeah yeah because there's um the bit before Waterloo is uh Quattro where the black watch get broken but they don't
1:15:40
they don't get hammered well they get hammered no it's not it's not a bad watch no one of the one of the regiments
1:15:47
to loses its colors isn't it yeah um I actually want to see the Duke of Brunswick just walking around with his
1:15:52
pipe and then just getting shot because he walked in front of all his troops to keep him inspired because most people
1:15:58
like really like uh young and fresh I think he's getting shot doesn't he by his own men yeah
1:16:04
some fair enough but I mean he's right in front yeah or something mad like
1:16:10
cursed just the amount just to show how fast you don't realize how fast those
1:16:16
battlefields are and yeah yeah how many tanks was like there's a lot of revisit
1:16:22
revisionist history now because they're saying that it wasn't a it's heavier defeat yeah it's because
1:16:32
the because of the history has been very written by yeah
1:16:38
I can't remember what battle it was was it I because obviously used to be the thing didn't need what if if French
1:16:44
Noble nobleman being Knights fought peasants on foot
1:16:50
um it was one way combat even though they were the opposite side they weren't allowed to fight back you weren't
1:16:56
allowed to fight uh you went for your Elena win allowed to strike a nobleman so even then those like like action
1:17:02
Court which might be the battle a lot of change was like at the end of the day if you'd captured a French Knight you had
1:17:08
to send him home at the end of the day when you don't have to go home and because of the nobility out ranked
1:17:14
nationality especially because a lot of time these guys were cousins and stuff and I think it was Henry V who knew he
1:17:20
went all better off drag him off the horse kill him yeah and I thought I'd love to have been there on the day the first French like one what the hell's
1:17:27
that why am I suddenly obviously yeah
1:17:33
oh yeah let's tell her it's a terrible gory thought but I just love to have just seen the bow with the first one
1:17:38
without a horse and the other Knights man I got a bit more yeah you're not
1:17:43
allowed to kill me you're poor yeah that's wild excuse me can you have a
1:17:49
word with your man it was like that list it was like at the
1:17:55
second world war out in North Africa they used to just like phone up when they'd like fight each other in tankers during the day and then these at the end
1:18:01
of the day they count everyone up and they go um and and since Smith hasn't returned
1:18:06
and they were just phoning the Germans ago have you guys since I think yeah we have him is he okay yes it's fine thank you bye what yeah was that oh was that
1:18:15
why it was the gentleman's War oh yeah yeah um I'm learning learning as every day is
1:18:22
a school day every day is this way Sharpie has more uh computer-based sculpting techniques become the norm for companies and individuals with the rise
1:18:29
of 3D printing do you find this leads to the loss of skills in using traditional mediums all their techniques that you do
1:18:35
that you had to master that become obsolete as a result of this shift into the digital format or are you a
1:18:42
traditional medium sculptor through and through which oh yeah yeah traditional throw yeah but I suppose the other
1:18:48
questions do you think there's a danger that people will lose some of that skill set yeah but then
1:18:54
you know I'm sure it will at another time it will evolve yeah you know
1:19:01
um I mean vinyl still a thing isn't it for yeah yeah
1:19:15
I think this University is like mullet Central yeah yeah it's wire rugby and then you get all like the kids from the
1:19:21
Cotswolds and come over and it's just mullet city they're all riding like like flat bedrooms because well like I
1:19:28
remember growing up singing Dixie um and they're going like wow mullets they didn't age well and I thought that
1:19:35
was like a universal thing oh no that you know this thing of the the Cotswolds the Posh kids they do it it's sort of
1:19:41
like I don't know it's like ironic these are these yeah these are the uh
1:19:47
the earthy types I'm officially old now because because it's like
1:19:53
looking at the yard you don't want to be at the wrong end of 40 still playing rugby against kids
1:20:02
uh Jack bellaby also known as War daddy minute is saying would love to see you do some more falsham Jaeger models for
1:20:07
Empress Miniatures any plans would love to see you do something yeah yeah
1:20:12
um for Empress Miniatures any plans uh yes but we've got to get through everything else everything well we've
1:20:18
done we've just done a Kickstarter for British Airborne uh on them so that
1:20:25
that's gonna keep going hopefully we yeah I would love to do
1:20:31
this love to do that you've just gotta try to stay focused are you doing the mini most bikes for the Airborne
1:20:36
um possibly next oh fantastic um I mean that's when you say about digital you know I will work with one of
1:20:44
the guys who does stuff for empress and he did um one of the handcarts he's a digital sculptor so you know I'm
1:20:51
not saying it's not something well they can blend yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah it just Blends you know the mediums you
1:20:57
have like 3D 3D Bike but 3D sculpted bike you know I mean it's still the the
1:21:03
process you know from getting it from the sculpt into the the mold is still
1:21:09
the same you know how it's produced is still the same it's just how it's sculpted before
1:21:14
it gets it molded really but my first um like not 4A into 28 mil because we used
1:21:22
to use a lot of airfix stuff me and my dad did I was used to play a game called rapid fire yeah yeah
1:21:27
um so we used to build stuff using a lot of uh the airfix Revel yeah what they
1:21:32
are um and I got some I think Foundry did them the false yeah
1:21:39
um and I really like painting them because because it was early War I did which was like almost like the
1:21:48
and just really enjoyed painting those I'd love to do some more of them at some point because I think they're my favorite German Branch because the early
1:21:56
War stuff just looks really clean and crisp but you like painting German so you were oh yeah
1:22:03
we could maybe do it we could maybe do an episode about something like that well no I don't think you even have a
1:22:10
swash sticker on them do they fashion Vehicles yeah on their badge I thought it was just an eagle
1:22:16
he's nickling him onto one isn't it if I remember rightly there's a drop yeah yeah
1:22:22
get in the bin yeah listening to that we have weights they won't yeah there was
1:22:28
I think it's pretty it was in entwined with everything yeah
1:22:34
sadly yeah yeah well not yeah it is the Navy had it in there yeah I
1:22:40
wouldn't necessarily expect everyone who paints something to
1:22:45
that's their ideology yeah just because I paint um Orcs
1:22:52
doesn't mean I want to see the world of men burn no that's right
1:22:58
you've played plenty of Stormtroopers I've never heard you once so you want to destroy your planet with a space station oh I have
1:23:04
[Laughter] uh right uh would you prefer sculpting
1:23:11
historical type or modern this is from Peter Smith um modern's just too generic yeah yeah
1:23:17
everyone that's the same now yeah yeah I I don't know about any of you guys but I have this weird sort of I guess period
1:23:24
where I'm not I'm not interested I find it uncomfortable anything past the Falklands Fields yeah a bit too close to
1:23:30
home diminishes of like modern day soldiers exist yeah yeah yeah yeah right yeah yeah I'm doing like zombie
1:23:38
games and stuff like that yeah yeah it feels right if I'm doing like Russians versus ukrainians that just doesn't feel
1:23:43
right it feels a bit sort of won't know the guy the empress Miniatures the guy
1:23:48
that does their moderns um he definitely knows that there's a
1:23:55
lot of people in the forces that collect his style yeah and um and
1:24:01
Empress Miniatures have definitely said you know we've got a lot of reference from people that are serving they
1:24:07
haven't got an issue with it I think I'll buy terrain because I watch his stuff all the time yeah yeah I'm just a
1:24:12
YouTube fanatic now um and uh he was saying that like World
1:24:18
War II he can't get with because that's you know too too close that's like grandparents yeah people yeah you know I
1:24:26
yeah I suppose like my dad was in the services during like the 80s and he didn't sing the Falcons but we were like
1:24:32
stationed in Germany during like the cold war and stuff so I suppose that's why I like that period onwards feels a bit awkward but weirdly I suppose super
1:24:39
modern like now yeah the tech that they've got if I'm having it versus like aliens or like like say zombies I think
1:24:46
the problem that is connected it's like the increasingly now equipment has hit
1:24:51
it well it's not as Pinnacle because they'll always be and you can always raise the bar but I think in modern
1:24:57
infringement equipment has hit a point where it where it's so extraordinarily efficient is that you now end up with
1:25:03
about six to seven God knows a doctor God knows how many nations who better look identical and especially the uh the
1:25:11
multi-cam camouflage which came in off the back of the cry camouflage which was originally sort of picked up by the SAS
1:25:17
and then everyone sort of got it you know you've got the the camouflage that Americans wear and the camouflage the
1:25:22
Brits where there's the tonal difference between it's so minor and if you painted say modern day Marines modern day
1:25:29
Marines are now carrying a weapon that's a Canadian licensed version of the coal
1:25:36
Time 4 system yeah so if you if you might if you make one of them and put them in all his gear and then put them
1:25:41
next to an American infantryman they're very different to very little difference to look at it's becoming I suppose
1:25:46
that's a problem with modern infantry doing them is that it's the only time you get to do it in coolers if you do
1:25:51
SAS guys you can do them like with baseball caps or Delta Force guys baseball caps big beards thing when you
1:25:57
know that operator term yeah and so yeah that's the only bit where you get a bit of variety in them I suppose you could
1:26:03
pretty much do like more Burien is pretty much everyone's wearing the same uniform yeah at least you get to paint
1:26:08
more different colors yeah yeah
1:26:13
yeah and even if you do go full in and try and like do like the iconography they're probably not even gonna wear that one yeah yeah and it's all now
1:26:20
they're on velcro patches the same color as a camouflage yeah yeah yeah yeah
1:26:26
because you could now very rare you couldn't paint rank on anybody nowadays because it's it's a camouflage slide on
1:26:32
a camouflage background so you know it's designed to stop sniper's nail on them so it's yeah all right the SES guys just
1:26:40
be like oh yeah class you you're not allowed to shoot at me that's because they watched a lot of sharp that's what it is yeah like go for the offices first
1:26:46
officers that's why officers don't carry pistols anymore they carry rifles and and hide in the middle of the squads
1:26:52
because they're used to lead to front yeah a set of binoculars around the neck and a pistol and the snipers are going oh this is easy yeah I mean I still like
1:27:00
the the aesthetic is it Lord love it that had the sword or the bow no it was check magic yeah his that bow turned up
1:27:07
on Antiques Roadshow yeah like 300 quid they said oh this would be worth 300
1:27:12
quid it's in some March tree club or something 300 quids yeah for his Longbow
1:27:19
is used in Anger somebody no someone's not aired enough stories yeah yeah but
1:27:24
yeah yeah was it a claim or a broad story it's a claim it was uh yeah it must have been an officer's pattern yeah
1:27:30
Claymore yeah yeah I love it yeah I've got a signed print
1:27:37
of Lord Lovett's Piper Millen that's up in my shadow yes yeah the shed con
1:27:45
Studio because this is the stuffist yeah yeah yeah Studio office studio uh Chris Allen
1:27:53
you probably answered some of this uh I love Paul's work got quite a few of his Scopes from one range or another how does a new Range come about is it led by
1:28:00
one is that someone commissioning something specific or does Paul have an idea and then find someone to support the line no it's people coming to me
1:28:08
I'm well saying because I work with so many the people I
1:28:13
work with I've worked with such and I a long time it's I can put the odd seed of
1:28:20
it should be quite fun um especially with like the the balance war kickstarters that we did
1:28:26
and the yarn and one as well I did with Empress Miniatures that's like should we do that yeah because we didn't want to
1:28:33
do British Powers because that's been done to that you know yeah because it did the all the old bolt action
1:28:39
miniature the metal ones they're all my sculpts of the world game cell so we
1:28:44
wanted to do a slight not Landing we want to do them like at least two days
1:28:49
in yeah they're all kits sort of yeah makes sense hanging off that's what people want when they're doing like that
1:28:55
yeah yeah on the bridge yeah that's yeah the perimeter around the heart and Stein hotel now kind of
1:29:01
that's cool um I suppose like with you mentioned you did Kickstart as well how did you define that as an approach for
1:29:06
like launching stuff that worked quite well for you yeah it works out I I know I know it's not everyone's
1:29:14
cup of tea but it does allow us to to be able to produce everything in one
1:29:20
go and be able to say right it's going to be out at this time yeah so it does allow us to sort of produce a lot of
1:29:26
figures in a you know a lot of time um and it does generate a lot of
1:29:32
enthusiasm as well and it does build up a community and people yeah yeah because we had Annie on and she said that she
1:29:37
used to just release stuff and then it was just like yeah yeah yeah yeah there was a lot more driving yeah
1:29:43
yeah it's worked well for them yeah it's worked well for certainly for me with
1:29:49
the Barons war and um you know it's it's the good thing about
1:29:54
it is is because you have build up like a lot of enthusiasm you can then go I can make this you know and then it it's
1:30:02
like a just an enthusiasm Loop yeah yeah which is really good when people don't even seem to manage to
1:30:08
seem to care about the waiting scale either do they uh I think as long as you manage it and you say this is we're
1:30:14
gonna do it at this time um because I'm I'm quite quick
1:30:21
sculpting because I don't I hate having something hanging over it's just anxiety levels just go through the roof we've
1:30:27
got to do this like have homework yeah anxiety so you know being able to get the
1:30:33
figures produced and just say look we've already we've got this ready to go people know that it's in the it's been
1:30:41
produced as opposed to well we'll release it sometime yeah as long as you say right we're gonna we're putting our
1:30:47
neck on the line we're saying that it's going to be out this time yeah and people soon yeah people take that on board and they know
1:30:55
that when they they back yeah because I think you know you see 18
1:31:00
months and people don't seem to care as long as they you give them a yeah an honest prediction didn't you yeah I did
1:31:06
it with crooked dice I got um one of their assets because I quite like their rule system 7tv
1:31:11
um and that gives me that kind of excuse to use modern day Warfare guys and yeah and then get in British time is giving random Builders helmets and paint them
1:31:18
in Orange yeah yeah yeah that is absolutely um and then they started doing lots of lots of stuff and they did one of their
1:31:23
rule systems and it was like a Year's way and I was just like but I know I'm gonna get it because it's crooked Dice
1:31:28
and they've released so much stuff over the years and I guess it's the same with once you've got that name built up as well that kind of really helps yeah well
1:31:36
the add-on bonuses just keeps people enthused as well doesn't it when it hits a certain point you go oh I'll add this
1:31:41
it just feeds it really well I think our last question from Chris Hyde not a
1:31:47
question but just wanted to say thank you to Paul for the amazing Irish war of independence and very British Civil War stuff uh figures he sculpted originally
1:31:54
for musketeer ministers we'd love to see some more very very British Civil War figures from him is that something you ever yeah well the British Civil War so
1:32:02
the the Irish war of independence that was that was kind of commissioned with a guy that lived in Ireland
1:32:08
as well and that was I was a bit wary of that to start with because this could be
1:32:14
really contentious because of what the Irish forces were under the banner but
1:32:19
actually when you read into it it's it took a lot of reading to sort of say
1:32:26
okay this is not the same um but I can see why people with with a
1:32:31
British Civil War that was just it sort of spawned a group of Gamers out of the
1:32:37
what was the rich the third film with um Ian McKellen
1:32:50
yeah yeah so that's all like imagine you know and then that sort of snowballed
1:32:56
because if I'm right and thinking that you've got like different sort of like political parties yeah yeah yeah well it's funny because you know about being
1:33:03
a scout a scout Sosa socialist militant sort of family that we are and I said to
1:33:09
my wife my wife said oh we've got an interview tomorrow and I was explaining who you were and I said he's done this range cause a very British Civil War and
1:33:15
she said all right she said what what time period is that and I briefly explained it and she went he better done a load of skull stockers although I
1:33:21
won't be impressed but I did I did a load of workers sort of in dungarees and I think they were class and people done
1:33:28
a faction for like Republic of Liverpool yeah yeah obviously because obviously so
1:33:34
Scouts the Dockers got so gobby that um when he was a good older when he was when he was in charge of darenza said
1:33:40
Churchill Center warship conducted straight in front of the the docks and Liverpool and when the um when the Welsh
1:33:48
miners were on strike and uh they he was told that Welsh miners was were starting to starve because they were on strike
1:33:54
and wearing any money he said maybe we should send the Army down there and put some lead in their belly oh yeah so he could so he was General
1:34:02
Churchill was the right man at the right time for a very specific few years yeah
1:34:16
I I was making stuff because I was interested at the time and then Bill who
1:34:22
had muscle two minutes was saying look if you make it I'll put it in a mold and I'd be like watching I was it was like a
1:34:28
home guard um film like clip and they're all on roller skates I was like that'd make a
1:34:36
perfect messenger yeah and it was like oh what would they wear and I was like oh there's an early War tankers Helmet
1:34:42
or like uh I'll put that on him and like loads of guys in cricket I think I did a tank crew like the old style bicycle hat
1:34:50
helmet yeah and then um I was off I think I was walking from one room to the
1:34:57
other from like my living room to my old flat and a coast was on and I mentioned like
1:35:05
in the 1930s in our outer Hebrides the Royal Mail were trying out this rocket
1:35:10
for sending posts it's like that's got to be made
1:35:17
so yeah I just like Googled and found that yeah they've they had this and there was like film made about it yeah
1:35:23
oh wow and it it's literally made one for musketeer Miniatures and it was just
1:35:29
yeah yeah yeah because you've got bass all like these what ifs you've got to base
1:35:35
them in a kernel of Truth yeah otherwise it it just doesn't work but I did for my
1:35:42
own stuff when we moved so when when we sold by action Miniatures it allowed me to to get a
1:35:48
deposit for a place where we moved to so I set up a company called mutton shop Miniatures as I say that's your Facebook
1:35:54
page isn't it or is it still yeah it's I've tried to delete it for ages still
1:35:59
around yeah so the first figures I did was I was like a kid I loved Wind in the
1:36:04
Willows so it's like wind and Willows as humans so you could try and so I did
1:36:11
those as the windy chaps and I did like a load of Weasley light earthy types as
1:36:18
um the weasels and then that is snowballed as well and did uh some odd
1:36:23
things and then there was a a Maxim gun that was someone who put it on like a
1:36:29
four wields motorbike sort of thing oh cool yeah I know right Ian can you make
1:36:37
a Vickers machine gun on a like a quad yeah so yeah made that so we had that
1:36:43
and uh like a Morris but with the back end of a card and Lloyds
1:36:49
like a moist Tilly you know like a a small car yeah but with a back end of a
1:36:54
card and Lloyd's tankette as a half track just oh I think I've seen that yeah yeah
1:37:01
just that would be fun half car half tank yeah yeah half tracks and you get
1:37:06
half Cars yeah I absolutely love a Miniatures game that is like where like
1:37:15
the armies are people that work in Services because I think posties it'd be amazing oh yeah
1:37:20
because like there's they have their own like tube tunnels in London I think you've been turned into a museum now and
1:37:25
you can go around and they've got the logistics they know the landscape yeah
1:37:30
and they have those like motorized um when they're carrying big parcels and everything you know put machine gun on
1:37:36
that but that was the beauty with it because it was such a like sandboxing if you had an idea of what would they have
1:37:43
because you had like basically like the jarrow Marchers but with shotguns didn't you as well yeah stuff like people could
1:37:48
just come up I saw those Hinterland Miniatures yeah uh come up a fair bit
1:37:54
um yeah they people just use their imagination and because they were infused about it and because they bought
1:38:00
in with the imagination and their own story they had such varied but they all look cohesive yeah it looks like a mad
1:38:08
episode of Dad's Army yeah yeah yeah that's exactly yeah could we make a box set that's like Royal Mail versus ups
1:38:16
and it's called going postal because you know them uh you know that
1:38:22
American the American stuff that uh their version of the they have that gun variant of the Hercules don't they oh
1:38:29
yeah the ac130 yeah it's got all the guns down one side of it in sizes do you
1:38:35
think imagine one of them just as like a um you know it's a London route Master bus I think I'm sure I'm sure I've seen
1:38:41
like the old um the steam because like Matchbox you know they used to do the Die Cast obviously yesterday people were
1:38:48
just like the steam trucks that they used to have yeah just like loaded with Vickers machine guns and stuff like that
1:38:54
yeah yeah all sorts in Scotland that did the the
1:39:02
rules and the faction books and they did like our um plates that you could just
1:39:08
glue onto Die Cast models to just up gun a model T4 and stuff like that yeah yeah
1:39:14
that's kind of the other one I'm just saying before about um talking about um
1:39:19
when do you sort of stop with sort of modern day with modern day infantry um
1:39:25
uh my friends used to work for Battlefront I don't know if you remember they had um they had
1:39:31
um a version of it was set in the early 80s the cold war team Yankees team Yankee based off the books yeah yeah and
1:39:38
uh a guy from Northern Ireland phoned and said you know in the range of like the British military vehicles he says do you do the um the pig which was the big
1:39:46
arm would probably have to drive around Northern Ireland it gone by the time I got there and he went no it's not in the
1:39:52
range he said you know what he says the amount of people in Northern and he's been Northern Ireland obviously right
1:39:57
the root of the very list who come into my model shop my game and say do you sell lamb oh wow he said because I think
1:40:04
they want to make little dioramas because they can lay their hands on early 80s you know British troops can't slrs berries on and stuff but they can't
1:40:11
no one was making the pigs he said because he said if you made them he said I could sell you out of them he said the
1:40:17
amount of people do you think you think they'd want to get as far away yeah possible they want to make their arms with it I suppose that's not the only
1:40:24
thing we're like miniature wargaming is like even if like we'll like take World War II for instance you know you got as
1:40:29
a hobbyist I want I I would do both sides I would do the British versus the Germans it's like that controversial
1:40:35
video yeah um but what was your take on that well I
1:40:44
I suppose it could have been handled differently I think it started because
1:40:50
are we now have to talk about it I don't know yeah through fear of like getting picking a scab I suppose yeah it was a
1:40:57
scab I mean personally I I've been doing historical war game for years and I don't look at them and go oh they're the
1:41:04
Nazis I don't want to play them because I don't want people to think I'm a racist yeah I've never had that connection most people I play with have
1:41:09
never had the connection but do you think that's because you're not playing in uh because what it sounded like it
1:41:15
was from a competition tournament style historical gaming that
1:41:22
he they were talking about I don't know now because they were saying if you were playing against someone they turned up
1:41:27
with a see what you mean yeah yeah but if you if you were saying right this is the
1:41:32
battle we want to create we obviously if we're doing the Battle of Arnold yeah we're gonna have to have about these
1:41:38
yeah basically we're gonna have to have elements that are SS yeah because that's what for but
1:41:45
we're not that's because we're recreating the battle Yeah Yeah but it's not that I've gone to a tournament with
1:41:51
an SS Army that's
1:41:58
I did get triggered a bit when he said the trouble with what historical wargaming well that's it's a vast thing
1:42:06
yeah you're talking about a very small part well you know and we've we've me and me and Peter talked about this
1:42:11
before is that I'm not taking oh I'm not taken aside on I'm not taking the sides
1:42:18
of the the Germans on this but plenty of people join armies to help their country
1:42:26
they don't join armies for a political gain they you know America Germany had
1:42:31
lost a lot of land post World War one through I mean through the French and other things they joined that Army
1:42:37
because obviously if you're thinking well terms them two wars were very close together and they joined because they
1:42:43
felt that bits of their country had been stolen away and they joined because they feel like they wanted to do the best for
1:42:49
their nation and whether you join any nationality of army around the world you
1:42:55
generally hopefully join it because you're trying to do the best for your country do you know what I mean I think plenty of people are German soldiers but
1:43:01
it doesn't necessarily mean they were all Nazis
1:43:07
I do sort of look at you know sort of thinking about it and I have to sort of I had you know
1:43:13
thought it's not something I'd I'd have to think long and hard about sculpting because of
1:43:19
the the baggage that comes well not baggage is the wrong word with whatever yeah the
1:43:26
historical context that comes with it um but it's
1:43:33
yeah I think that I can understand where he was coming from yeah or a complete game from but I
1:43:40
I it's it I just felt the historical wargaming as a whole was it kind of
1:43:47
under attack yeah yeah the thing is it's like going well you should never play that because are we going to assume that
1:43:52
the Knight Templar didn't run sack Villages yeah it sounds they only ever just killed other combatants they didn't
1:43:59
kill civilians yeah that you know American GIS Jordan Vietnam where her went horrific with and if this thing is
1:44:05
you're gonna it's very easy to just go look at the second world war in black and white to go and they're the good
1:44:11
guys they're the bad guys and as simple as that but it's like where do you draw your historical point where you go all
1:44:17
right after that it's okay you know I mean if I look at some of them my buddies from like Workshop that we're
1:44:23
into World War II and stuff like that they um there was quite a few German staff and they always felt uncomfortable
1:44:28
playing as their own Nation because they didn't want to get that weird yeah so that label has been like supportive of
1:44:34
that that moment but as I I've always said not every gym was announcing not every night and it's you know that you know yeah oh
1:44:42
yeah everywhere else and everywhere else but I mean as a war gamer I want to
1:44:48
re-enact battles I don't want to follow a political idea
1:44:53
um but there are people out there that do yeah and I've touched yeah you know what I mean if we look at it
1:44:59
from the re-end of Return of the Jedi we're completely under the other we completely understand that Ewok seat
1:45:05
Stormtroopers will still see them as cute yeah everyone's okay with that everyone's okay with that and again if
1:45:12
we're going down the Star Wars analogy the rebels cause genocide because on that Death Star there's a lot of people
1:45:18
there's gonna be nurseries but it's going to be canteen staff that's it I saw an interesting post about this by
1:45:25
saying like you know but it was a legitimate the Death Star is a legitimate military Target whereas
1:45:31
alderan wasn't yeah oh yeah yeah but you know if you think of it but if you want to go that way that start too good yeah
1:45:38
Death Star 2 there must have been a lot of contractors contracts in our families plumbers
1:45:46
scaffolders all of them people that were all the manual labels and depends on what Star Wars law you believe a lot of
1:45:53
the a lot of the work staff who were involved in the building of Death Star too were enslaved rookies
1:45:59
all those people on that Prison Planet in Andor they're out of a job now
1:46:05
I love how we're going deep on this year yeah yeah my but then again they might
1:46:11
have they might have hired more in in in in Imperial Naval boat patrols yeah
1:46:16
maybe I mean that's just one Factory if God knows how many of them yeah because yeah
1:46:23
so you said a video in question that we're talking about I think my my take of it was I met all my impression was
1:46:30
um we need to do a video about historical wargaming and if like if we did a video
1:46:37
that said let's paint this Napoleonic guy it wouldn't get as
1:46:42
many views as uh let's paint the Space Marine yeah um so my impression of it whether it's
1:46:48
right or wrong is right how do we package up a video about historical
1:46:53
wargaming well it's not as popular are there issues with it let's talk about it yeah and and I think I was sort
1:47:01
of like and Mikey from hellstone wargaming who we've had as a guest on the channel did uh like a commentary yes I think I'll
1:47:08
watch that on on the video and stuff because somebody did a video reply yes and then Morty and Glory yes yeah and
1:47:15
and and that had like an interesting thumbnail um that I think has since been changed
1:47:22
um but yeah it was kind of like when it was like okay so we're talking about this and then there's a
1:47:28
sponsorship for uh his like yeah yeah and that was that was where I was sort
1:47:33
of like yeah I forgot all about that as well yeah yeah I mean I'm good friends
1:47:39
of both the folks on the channel um
1:47:45
I think it is just it is an opinion but yeah well when you're pitching it to People Like Us yeah yeah for years it's
1:47:52
like that's it yeah because I used well when you said about me
1:47:57
when you said about me coming on it's like well not sure where this view this is not getting any views it's not like a
1:48:03
war gaming yeah sort of the algorithm yeah but you know sometimes it's the interest of of who
1:48:10
people are and what they do is the the bigger Partners than you know yeah algorithm is important but I think
1:48:16
you've done a lot for like miniature wargaming and that's very arguably yeah you get quite a narrowed sitting in your
1:48:22
shed yeah yeah a desk just making stuff yeah yeah I mean you know like all the conversation I used to have in
1:48:29
the studio like you know your name is probably one of other than the people in the studio is the only other real big
1:48:35
name outside of and like get you know kind of things others but Paul Hicks like it did has done a lot of Miniatures
1:48:42
so you know even that's yeah that's just comes to surprise to me I have to say I
1:48:47
was surprised that you had some questions oh yeah yeah yeah I've got a question for you actually where do you
1:48:53
stand on the whole idea that um Games Workshop are now at sculpting
1:48:58
Studio as opposed to sculptors do you think it should be that the individual is still
1:49:04
still named for their work or do you think yeah because yeah I used to love knowing who sculpted
1:49:12
a figure of saying that it was always the Perrys yeah yeah but then again it
1:49:18
was always the Perrys because those are the ones that look naturally like
1:49:23
a historical Army so especially like the dogs of war that was amazing yeah
1:49:29
um and yeah it was nice to see them credited and it's happened to me where I
1:49:34
wasn't allowed to tell anyone that I'd sculpted figures for them and it was like that's why would you not
1:49:41
want that's your bread and butter as well yeah you need to be put out there yeah yeah I mean luckily that was quite that was a few years ago now but now
1:49:51
I hopefully have got to the point where people will say like these are sculpted by Paul Hicks and that might actually
1:49:57
help the range um but yeah I would it would be nice to
1:50:02
be credited and nice to see people credited yeah I think it's only a good thing yeah Michael carries I was like
1:50:09
that with good with jazz yes those Concepts they don't show those anymore when like
1:50:17
battlefleet they did when battlefleet Gothic even before it was a thing it was like a page of drawings and a white
1:50:23
dwarf and now all the sketches from like the boarding which they've sort of used again for the kill team yeah yeah but
1:50:30
they were like so much just to I never ever bought the jazz book and I still to
1:50:35
this day kick myself for the concept book did you did was there one yeah there was one and the funny thing is it
1:50:41
had what they called it they called the necron Destroyers yes and they when they
1:50:47
came out they never looked like the art in the book which was a far beefier thing and then years later they've done another variant of Destroyer that's
1:50:53
another rank of one and it looks like that in like the very early night probably you can't get anymore is because they're going to keep going back
1:50:59
and match that's right yeah yeah someone's job someone's job at Games Workshop is just buying all of
1:51:05
them on eBay we named someone delete history hey yeah
1:51:13
um again thank you for coming on oh no thank you and it was uh kind of a big thing for me when you messages on the on
1:51:19
on the older emails say oh now I'll send you some um little mini of rather than Peach that
1:51:27
was a big thing for me so thank you very much no no problem at all no thanks for having us it's uh is they anywhere that
1:51:34
people can contact you and law like do you have like Instagram or Twitter or whatever a Facebook page I normally post
1:51:39
up pictures and uh model airplanes that I'm making nice
1:51:47
because I decided that during lockdown I'll start making model airplanes it's
1:51:53
just a childhood thing that sort of mate cheered me up so yeah so it's just filled with models rugby and yeah nice
1:52:02
modeling things well as always thank you for watching and I'll just wait at the table and just bash my end up
1:52:08
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