How are you SUPPOSED to get into 40K?

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are awesome like these are clearly inspired by different things and I think like they they're almost parody esque
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which gets around the copyright law to a degree especially in the Western World um and these are War Games
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it Predator but yeah so these were just awesome and I thought I'll bring you one so I brought you guys in um the
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should make some competing merch that's just like one thick coat or something like that abely right but yeah I just
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well might get on that I think I prefer this version of you right what we talking about today today I've come in
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with a little bit of a subject I some of this is information of things I've been
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thinking about on on my own and other things is from grandmas valra has been talking about different things and it
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peaked my interest a little bit and made me think about stuff in a couple of different ways and what I'm interested
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in is as Pat very very cooly put is 40k
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getting smaller and by that what I mean is are these the sidebar games starting
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to become more interesting than the main game itself okay because because um
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we've just had announcement that potentially the next box of kill team
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will be a new not only a new season for kill team but it will be uh the next
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edition of the rules and Games Workshop have decided that it potentially from
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this is all rumor and to say what Grand Master valck would say it's all lies till you've seen it in print um that the
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next one will be uh the next two kill teams will be both one on that can fly
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SL jump and it will be uh Imperial tempestous sky on will have jump packs
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which is I unless there's some old sweats out there that can prove me wrong I don't think Imperial guards over our
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jump pack troops before no and it will be new versions of TOA Empire's masonary
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Pals being the vard I've never seen them I need to I need to look at them can I ask a
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question I heard a load of words from you just then about models that are coming right and and I think you know when it
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comes to the law of GW like I feel like my role here is to be the dumb one I like pretty model that I can paint but
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I'm sure there's many people out there who can relate to that so for our benefit I'll explain what the hell are
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these well tempester tempester Scions are um basically what used to be called
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Stormtrooper uh Imperial guards or Heaven armored right have like a blue armor right they do yeah generally
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they're painted with a blue armor there is confus usly an offshoot is the fact that the
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cadians have ckans who also do the same thing of being Stormtroopers different
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type of gun and they're basically in a lot of ways very similar to what the the Scions do but they
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are designed around looking like an extension of the K and uniform with more armor on top of it and what they're
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going to do when did we last see these then Scion uh we last seen the Scions
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they got relaunched oh priced about 10 years ago they're quite old aren't they yeah they're old now and they my
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introduction to The Tempest Scions was killing them in Shooters blood and teeth
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like the Sid scroll oh yeah yeah yeah they about they sneak or you can do them in helmets and
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gas masks and well the the the rumor is that they're going to give them jump packs and then you've got the vespids
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the vespids obviously you have the towel you have you have the tow you have the C
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and then one of the other alien races that the the to Har mercenary SL uh part of their Collective are the
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um bester sping um sting Wings I've never seen these in my life haven't you
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no never really did yeah I don't you don't often see them in any tow
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lists so the rumor is they're getting a re they're getting a rebuild uh for the
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next kill team and then okay interestingly is as was uh pointed
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out by uh by valra is that a lot of the troops in different 40K armies are have
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the ability to fly or jump never got any upgrades when things
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have happened recently not that long ago we got a tyranid upgrade they upgraded not everything but virtually everything
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in the range they left the G oals alone which is their flying fly right okay
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Orcs storm boys storm boys yeah very very old when they redid a lot of the
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aldar range they' left the swoop and Hawks alone being their jumpack and
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what's the theory is now is that the next season of Kil team will be pretty
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much based around all types of troops that can jump right the exception being
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uh the Marines cuz they did do jump packs for them when they did their miles with launch 10th edition so so the the
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in so what it led me to think is is the fact is our Games Workshop really now
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concentrating on trying to make this this game in a box do well
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or the cynic in me is wondering is now kill team just a tool to Hype up
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releases for other things and one of the things that leads me down that path is the
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fact it it's always terribly not supplied enough kill team
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is awful forly all the things that are bad kill team seems to be by far the
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worst yes which in some ways makes you feel like you know is it really that
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popular it just sells out are they're not making enough of it and I know this goes across a lot of things within the Warhammer range but is it is we just
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don't make that much because in natural fact all we're trying to do is further down the line pedal the hype for a box
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that will then go into your main Army and isn't really about at all and that's what I'm wondering cuz it it would
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correct in thinking the only way to buy cakin for your 40K guard Army is to buy
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the Kil boxes to buy the Kil box and for quite a while the only way to get it for your kill for your for your Cadian army
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or imperial guards Army was to buy the kill Team box The Big Box being being the the second part of into the dark
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Gallow Gallow fall Gallow fall yeah well Gallow dark is it what whatever that
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that space there was there was the last box of that series of Kil team was called Gallow cuz it was like oh it's
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going to crash now and then it crashed into the sea and that's where we the next where we are now team narrative y
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so and I just wonder as some of me thinks is you know some of would go well
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if they didn't care about Kil team they wouldn't go and do a new addition of the game you mean the the one they're
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currently running yes they're going to they're going to redo the rumor is they're going to redo the rules for the next box so so it'll
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be you know like he get eighth n9th 10th Edition 4 yeah we're on like second well
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technically third yeah so is he going to do a fourth when it comes to when it comes to this
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release of flying so correct my history there was kill team of years ago the kill team of years ago if I remember
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rightly was a originally a little supplement in a rule book yeah so it was like how to play how to play 40K when
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you haven't got a lot of time yes which before that had been 40K in 40 minutes or something that yeah yeah and then it
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became kill team which was squad-based yeah and then it expanded then we got kill team two as a proper the Big Orange
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Box kill team which ran away with itself a bit didn't it because you think the idea if you look at kill team as it
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stands now it's generally small little teams yeah they generally take up either an elite or a troop choice in if you if
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you have them in your regular army for 40K but the last one was like oh now you can have Elites and now you which means
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you can have Terminators and now you can take a captain go you won't stop away from bringing dreadnots and tanks in just 40K so they've obviously and to be
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fair to to Games Workshop they've kept kill team quite tight I've going the the
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new the new the current one of going like let's not have ridiculously big yeah you cuz it's that versus that now
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is it it's cuz if I remember before 2.0 was kind of like right you can take this
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squad how you want yeah they didn't make squads for it and it was very much about building your team and load out wasn't
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it into whereas now it's these are set yeah factions that you can have but it
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released with like only two yeah so when they released it it was death cause of
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GRE and the command and the Commandos but they released a compendium so you
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could put a squad in there so if you were playing custodes you'd bring like four I think or something like that you
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could do you know if you're going to play Heavy intercessors you could do five and it's still like that now isn't it but the good thing is is obviously
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the compendium will just get smaller and smaller as more things to the point where I don't think they re-released the
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compendium did they they might not or did they make it they put it online instead actually yeah or did they get rather because I think there is also Kil
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manual isn't he and I think that which I think is a bit of a mixture of those teams aren't anywhere near as good as
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the kill teams in a box that which are generally always like 10 Miniatures or
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something would you think anything um and it must create a bit of a situation for them because um
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like for example the one that I'm because I've just started playing Kil te which is one of the reasons this all started to come to mind a little bit as
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well is that they I've been building the crout MH um kill team which can then
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also be played in the crout Army for 40K is this a box crew team or is this no
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it's a cruit team it's in a box it was um the first ones on the spaceship it was crout versus the breaches right and
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then when you you realize in some ways there is no real they haven't really figured out what to
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do with them when it comes to 40K because when you go into the rule book for uh the to rule book and you get to
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these crew are called far stalkers they've got a whole range of different weapons but most of the weapons in the
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codec have come up as gruit weapons and they don't have any oh so they've got a
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they've got a guy with a really big cool bow which has got a really cool set of rules in in Kill team yeah
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in um in the to codex yeah it's just a it's just a gun it's just a thing oh
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okay and it does the same job as the rifle it does the same job as this I don't the sniper that comes with guy
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who's got who's got a who's called a long site the sniper in there there's no rules for that weapon right so it's like
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they're obviously trying to squeeze these things into 40K yeah it sounds usually it doesn't quite fit and it
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doesn't quite fit and this is some sing I can't quite figure out what you know in some ways to going do
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they really really care about kill team but they don't care enough about this
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when you put it into 40K or do they not really massively careall kill team and the idea is just going this is a way of
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pedling hype for a box of Miniatures to then use you with your regular army which that one then you get you're just
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a bit disappointed because you don't do a lot I can't quite figure out what kilam I feel I feel like and this is
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just the for everyone who's anti- GW it sounds like the GW we expect from if I'm
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getting what you're on about right the GW we expect of have missed an opportunity there of what they would
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normally do is go well here's here's the box of a kill team but then do an alternate weapon that could be used in
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40K to Pedal two boxes to the same person but they haven't done that no they've done this weird thing of sort of
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going well ignore most of what's in the so so we'll give it you with these things but and with no other weapon
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choice but you can also use it in 40K just know that it looks different I maybe if I don't know if I'm being
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Devil's Advocate or not or please do say I don't really I know Town's an awful way to start to show and go I don't
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really know what I think but I just can't quite make me mind up of what I think's going on with Kil yeah so I I
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guess I have two two things so the gun thing like kill team you have a smaller number of
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Miniatures I would want more rules more unique bits of mobs on each miniature if you're playing 40K and then you're like
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oh right I'm going to I've got my kill team on the board just wait 10 minutes while I reel off all of the rules for
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that bone arrow and that sniper rifle and this skin fansing thing like would that just be a bit much maybe but also
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stream and then at least you've got the fun and kill team but you can still use
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enfor generic but what I worry is is that there'll be people who especially
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if say if you take uh crout and you take them with to you're only allowed three
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battle line units okay instead of six if you play Cru there as the predominant um
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uh attack and then you've got an access to extra tow infantry cruit infantry that could
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be quite cool so you go and buy that crew box off the kill team section and you bring it home and then when you open
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it and you realize there's a load of stuff in it that looks cool but does nothing yeah and I think so you sort of win and get bned depending on how you
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coming at a kill team squad you know what I mean so it's a bit like um so what would you have
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preferred I personally I'm I would go the more complex route with which is if
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you cuz especially let's take consideration if you buy a box of crout
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far stalkers being the kill Team box they are more expensive than a box of Cru carnivore yeah because they've got a
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loads of cool stuff in it yeah and cool sculpts but that when you get him into the game don't do much you know so um I
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don't know I think I think I'd rather it's slightly slow the game down and all
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of them milites be accounted for yeah as what they are the bow and arrow because
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of thing You' paid for this cool un and then in the 40K game it it's been
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diluted down a bit like it's like for example they did a faux boss box there's
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a faux box unit for kill team yeah and that then came with it was the standard
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faux boss that had been out a good few years the two three years by this point in time and then they put a new like
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sprew in there which was all the things got like your Gatling going well it's all the things to make it
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kill team compatible yeah like there's a de demolitions expert into all these cool all these
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cool guys and they did like a sharpshooter okay and he's like got an extra set of goggles on his head and
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he's got his gun like that like he's adj they could look really cool and they go but again once you put them in your your
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Space Marine army they just become faux boss Marines all of that really Flav
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yeah the only thing it does it just becomes aesthetically pleasing yes it doesn't do more I think for BOS Marines
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cuz it's like a a unit that exists already yeah like I think that's okay
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yeah if you had multiples you had normal faux boss but then a cool kill team faux boss you be ah these guys have seen some
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[ __ ] man like I don't know like I guess from a narrative point of view it's good
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from an aesthetic point of view it's good but perhaps from a gameplay point of you there's yeah I suppose it's also
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good in an AR cuz like it if you had that and you complicated one
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Squad in in 40K that would take forever like somebody had go in there and surely
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they'd be like Oh I'm playing against oh someone's brought the [ __ ] F the special faux boss Squad IIT I'm going to
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go get a point at bugman while you take your turn yeah yeah yeah and you and you like I say I didn't have a concise
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answer on on what I seen I I I I I feel like I've got a a foot in both camps on
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this and it's just a bit of a I just think if you don't play kill team but them
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Miniatures are really cool and you buy them they're just a bit diluted yes I think for what you you know for what you
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get and and then like I saying this led me back to the thing is is like how and
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you know there plenty of people who watch the show probably really really love K but kill team and I've just started to play it and I'm really liking
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it but it is a little bit of how much do how much of this is just trying to
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Pedal boxes of toy soldiers versus how much of it do you actually feel like
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you're supporting the game I've got to be honest I thought Kil team would be dead by now yeah when they brought it back yeah when they brought it back I
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thought this won't I'm glad they've done it but I thought I can't this like apocalypse yeah I thought this will be
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flash in the pan again and the fact that it's still here I think like what it's is is this his third year maybe yeah
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it's got to be yeah the fact he still going is really cool but um but My worry
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is as well is like when when you go forward you go um are you are you are they going to run
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out what of of people to make teams so well so arguably like the when when you
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were talking about how oh everything in this next one they're all going to fly or jump all I could think about it's a
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stupid Meme and the lines from Rise of Skywalker or whatever it's called
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they're like they fly now they fly now they fly now and you're just like wow who wrote that um and that one a bit and
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then and then now it's kind of like does does kill next want to be going they swim
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now you know what that's a good point we we don't have enough like water
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subal what would you be like oh they all do skipping now like how far does they
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go cuz then it'll be like they've all got bikes now and then you go and the one they've all got tanks now they're
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all unicycles now I would it be like event go well we're just playing 40K iil
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walked away and next they going to play for so if I'm right there kill team is very much this box like it's accessible isn't it cuz you've got you buy a
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starter kit whatever that is the flavor of the year and then it's this box versus that box which is great which is
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the same thing as again which again I know a lot of people love as well and this is also part of the whole thing is
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40k getting smaller a lot of people really like Combat p because again you you either don't get me wrong there is
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some there is some some armies uh in combat Patrol have got more than one option yeah you know cuz um cuz uh
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custodians can take two Space Marines can take two different combat patrols now I think nids can take two different
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combat Patrol so that you know so there is some options there as well but yeah it very much is this is your yeah and I
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like that I think a lot of people like that because like We complain about we've said this before we complain about
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a Warhammer blah blah blah blah blah and how expensive it is but actually if you play it right it's it's not that
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expensive cuz you focus on your army that you steadily build but we don't want to do that we we want we want it
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all which is why it's expensive you and like kill team I think is my view of
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kill team is it's a gateway drug like you've got your it's a skirmish game and in its own right it's good fun have a
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blast but then you can kind of go oh what's what's next well can I ask then
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in in your opinion us how many people do you think hit K hit 40K from Kill team where I very much
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feel like they te I like oh that's interesting yeah
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that's I don't think team is a gateway I think you're already ball steepening and
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I was going to say k team leads you back you're already at the hilt you're already at the H and K team's leading
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you back what um what were you were saying as well like with this Specialist Team the way they've been done is like
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oh that's a cool team it's almost to me like I feel like underworlds is is one of the better let's get some models cuz
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they're good they're sculpted they're very diarama es on their bases I think they're some of gw's best SCS and and
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even someone who doesn't do AOS I have picked up many of their boxers and God they're good yeah exactly why they don't
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have a version of um what was the game I was just
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talking underworlds why they don't have all underworlds in 40K is insane because
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that is the easiest to play most accessible well I think I think what what helps in in 40K in worlds is it's
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quite a bit of close combat cuz it's fantasy everything comes up whereas like 40K it's like well he's got a storm ball
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that shoots this far a thingy whereas I can't shoot two tiles on this so maybe it's a bit harder and a bit a bit more
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convoluted even even onepage rules have made a grim dark future version of a hex based game oh okay and it's really it's
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I wouldn't say it's massively popular but it's it's fun from what I've heard and it's accessible but anyway this is
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Miles off the point you with your specialist crout team I don't feel like that's a Gateway into 40K cuz I've got
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my Specialist Team it's cool I like this but like you say it this doesn't if I
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take this into 40K it's weakened it's lessened from its visual thing so yeah I
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I don't think I don't think think I think combat Patrol is a gateway yeah
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yes and that's going to you know actions and this is another thing I want to talk about as well because even now announc
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the fact that board and actions is now getting a book instead of it being a little supplement insid okay from from
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the arcs of omen I think it was where you play something like that and now it's get a proper book of its own and
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from all content creators and other bits and Bobs I read it's really loved it's
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really loved board and actions you need two lots of scenery that you would get from the into the dark kill team
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although they did a box of it they did a board and actions box I think it's great I think like because theyve definitely
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changed the way that they do scenery now because in that Gallow dark era of kill team yeah gave you a new set of walls in
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every single box which was really annoying and then if and you got a bit of flavor didn't you you got a bit of
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Flav oh this one's come with this extra panel um which and I think people Armory
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moaned quite a bit just end up with so much scenery and
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then this time they've gone oh you can buy the scenery once first and then because kill team was so poorly serviced
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with the boxes coming out individually if you wanted to get those teams like you would get that box and then you just
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I guess try and sell the scenery or you just have piles and piles I think for loads of people who've got loads of it
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sitting around IE us yeah um Bard and actions coming into being going well you
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need two boxers we go thank God finally do box so yeah I think that was the point that I was slowly Meandering to
28:51
and then forgot was that you've got all this scenery lying around and people oh crap
28:57
what what what can we do oh well let's let's make another gateway drug um so I
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think yeah boarding actions like right well and then they sell boarding actions come up patrols like kind of and what
29:09
models have we got left over well there's a bad there was one that came with a badon and then just loads of crap CH choices it was a really weird box oh
29:17
really wasn't it a load of um cultist yes yeah and it's oh co you get abidon
29:23
and then surely he should have some Space Marines with him you would think
29:28
leader of the black Legion I remember the original abdon in the second edition codex had
29:34
three like or three or four black Legion Terminators with him whereas now he's
29:40
like come on children come on guys we're we're going to go yeah we're going out for an adventure on this is it is it on
29:47
a are they on Space hulks is that what it is yeah sort of that thing because we all I think before that came out before
29:53
boarding actions came out everyone saw the scenery or there were rumors of about the scenery and everyone was like
29:59
spacehulk spacehulk space spacehulk yeah and no it wasn't no spacehulk needs to
30:04
come out again yes it does but um so yeah but they can't they can't the problem with spacehulk is it's a lot of
30:11
work to sell very few minis yes because you sell the set and then you've got
30:17
your your 12 or 24 missions but then in order to sell more like you you need to
30:23
play test to hell and and create new factions and do all that to sell more
30:29
missions and it's very much I mean it's asymmetrical for one but it's for like it's still to me the only fun I've ever
30:36
had playing a Warhammer game doing that the games dabbing with
30:41
Fame praise like I'm hoping I was hoping this whole relationship like you'd invite me in one day and go let's let's
30:47
play this it's why I brought cuz I brought going to play some [ __ ] yeah like I wouldn't like you're talking about kill team like all right okay kill
30:54
team sounds good I could paint up five to 10 models and we could have a yeah play te at some we've got plenty of it
31:01
but um yeah so and then I think and then the me worries is with kill team how much kill team is being bought by people
31:07
who have no interest in playing it but they want one or two of them teams for their 40K Army yeah well as a squad yeah
31:16
right cuz you know the amount of people who probably ran out and bought night Lords night Lords went out and bought
31:22
ckans cuz they were out a long time say bought night Lords but can you you can't get them individually to buy that box
31:28
for the night Lords at the moment you can't buy anymore right which you can't buy that box so at the moment night
31:35
Lords are in release limbo cuz the box that they were in has gone and them in their individual box yet hasn't happened
31:41
and I so desperately want them but they gorgeous they and they look incredible like they look amazing a night Lord's
31:48
army like that additional flavor cuz they just look more night Lords I
31:53
wouldn't care about the rules I fully would just get them for the look cu the thing as said previously they are it's
31:59
such a good upgrade sprew it looks like it's a paper spill box yeah cuz it an upgrade sprew isn't it the normal space
32:06
Maries I saw cuz Spen uh Spencer's painting saw he painted one oh that's
32:11
gorgeous and yeah I've got the box yeah so it was meant to be for a review but it arrived no it didn't arrive late I
32:18
was away when it arrived and I was like I'm not going to get this out on time and I'm like I want to build these and every day it stares at me and I stare at
32:24
it and I'm like I want to build these cuz they're amazing and even when it comes out I'll probably buy another one
32:29
cuz the other problem you end up as well is potentially sometimes as well with the whole thing with Kil team and it's
32:35
it's how it's put out the last one which was uh Brew Brothers
32:41
versus votan Rangers but V Rangers on foot yeah instead of on their little
32:47
flying boogy things didn't do and they look cool they look really cool but the thing is they probably would imagine
32:53
don't have any rules what in 40K yeah yes because votan votan haven't had a
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codex yeah and I'm pretty much sure that that votan box of data
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cards um in the kill Team box no I mean the 40K one cuz you haven't got a codec so they got a box of cards they won have
33:13
them W have them in so you've got these things that you buy and you know you so what's going to happen when you vpid
33:18
come out you can just play them in Kill team you won't be able to play them in you because there'll just be new sculpts for existing rules oh cuz they're
33:25
already in cuz they're they're already in not get so this is the bit where I don't get it so they come out as a kill
33:30
Team box and you don't get a card in it with 40K rules no so but you can use
33:37
them in 40K you just have to wait for your codec to catch up but you but you also can't so you so your only option is
33:44
to proxy them yeah so you potentially could have owned C far let's call it go
33:50
back to them cout far stalker team which has been out for getting on for two
33:56
years at least oh they they were into the dark so they're at least two years old um and in
34:05
fact they'll be two years old this October they'll they'll have been now for um for quite a while yeah and it
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wasn't until the T codex which was what April yes April it was about April yeah
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about April yeah yeah yeah so for our Audio
34:25
Only um so so you've add them for all of that time
34:30
before they got a set of rules for 40K you know have they only just got them now then C right yeah okay and they got
34:38
as you said they got bit shafted a bit shafted yeah yeah they got they went all of that stuff's cool but it does not
34:43
whereas with so because I'll understand these because I know what they look like um because I haven't got a clue what you're talking about with these crew I
34:49
don't I don't know they just look like crew with more interesting guns right yeah which for kill team is aw I still
34:55
can't get over the fact that they did a tow Army box with no tow in it I know crew are tow but I'm like the to of tow
35:03
or the tow it's hilarious think the tow got a new releaseed they none of the actual to themselves when their codex
35:10
came out they didn't get a new the last good one I think they had was what's his name farite farite yeah like Samurai Tre
35:18
that's really that really Strokes my Gundam one of playing us which let's be fair that's what to are AB to were like
35:25
let's try and try to the gam people but yeah so so going back so
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these um night Lords that have come out yeah how would so they've come out as a
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kill Team box you can play them in or they will come out as a kill Team box eventually and the way you got them in the two set is you get the Army which is
35:46
normal cow Space Marines with the most incredible upgrades through GW have done to date since Prime Maris generally I've
35:53
figured out the rule of it is is that when they bring out a new season yeah the first box in the new season both
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kill teams will be utterly brand new yeah yes then after that each kill team
36:07
normally and I might someone's going to go oh you got it wrong and I probably I've got it wrong but normally after that the following kill teams is one
36:14
kill team will be brand new the other one will be in will be a system model with with extra with an extra spru
36:22
so give them Med guys and demolition guys and all of them extra guys will so
36:27
kill team them up a bit Yeah to kill team them up a bit so so every kill Team box goes out should have at least one
36:34
new team in it right or you're going to get you can wait six plus months for them to come out as individual boxers
36:41
yeah I was saying earlier kind of what sometimes what they tend to do is say if one kilting box has kind of just come
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out and another one came out like three months ago and then in a few weeks they might go oh yeah and these Kil te all of
36:53
these kilam boxes are coming out individually feels like it feels like you might have
36:59
to wait ages for the um the night Lords and and whoever they were facing off
37:05
against M maybe or something like that and then You' be like finally I can get my kill team but then you can also pick
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up the new like votan Miniatures kill team squads can be a bit
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like buses apparently yes yeah that's it yeah two I know GW have had stocking
37:24
issues lately not with their stockings with they've had they've had distribution issues haven't they it's like in World War II when there was a
37:30
shortage and and the ladies just had to draw them L the back of their that going
37:36
on game happen um but yeah so so obviously they've had distribution issues as I think it's clear but it
37:43
seems been far wse for kilting that was for else wasn't it well it's it's not a problem for scaven tide is it so a few
37:50
of them um because you remember that that votan one that came out with uh
37:56
where you the oh the gala 4 one they had the jump pack well there guy with a jump pack on there was one random guy with the jumpack the
38:02
votan one yeah they did because votan would have been in Kill team twice now yeah was it against the uh the kind of
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like cow yeah the chaos beastmen yeah what wait what got somewhere yeah yeah
38:15
there was there was a botan release I don't think we got it did we wasn't it that one that was on sale for
38:21
about a second and a half yeah yeah it it that was it the level it was games workshops old website
38:28
where the stock sold out before 10:00 a.m. but the release was 10:00 a.m. what
38:35
I've never had that yeah like even with indomitus and dark thing they put a queue on don't
38:41
they so this was I don't I think they put cues on and it was their old website where I think
38:47
like potentially a lot of scalpers were sort of jumping in and you you could managed to pre-order it before 10:00
38:53
like like one or two minutes before cuz the thing people bed it didn't they they were like like BS that would do it or something
38:59
and then again and then and then goes back to you go you know if you're a dedicated kill team player you may have a a not really got it and Bui have lost
39:07
out to a scalpers and also lost out to people who just bought bought it because they wanted that one squad for their
39:12
their their 4K Army can I just say like all of the because I've never had an issue ever getting a a Games Workshop
39:20
release on release day ever in years well it's dead easy so you know you you sit there and you're in the queue and
39:26
you do that andai for it count and then what do is in you realize hang on
39:31
there's aite called element games for 20% and you just you press F5
39:37
and then 10:00 it appears up on screen you click that you go through your checkout which you've already got an
39:43
account so you go address address next next PayPal done and I've never had a
39:48
problem yeah I I think and I get 20% off so I don't I I honestly don't get why people have such an issue getting
39:56
releases the the stock issue comes into play here so generally like element games are pretty good quite often some
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of theg do really badly don't they they get sent so little stock they send out a
40:09
blanket email and say we're not doing a pre-order of this because if in in an
40:14
online shop if 10 people click pay at the exact same time and you've only got five you've got to then email then
40:20
you're going to have to refund some people so like they get so little stock they kind of generally know is how much
40:26
traffic they'll get yeah um so they've had so little that they go you know what
40:32
it's not worth it and they just send them out to the physical stores they send an email out saying yeah we've we haven't been allocated like any stock
40:39
right um so just lucky the element are quite big hitters in the in the local gaming store there's there's element
40:46
there's um whand there's umor Firestorm dark is it dark sphere they're another
40:53
one I want to say dark spere it might not be them um The Outpost although their website can sometimes be a bit of
40:59
a a bit slow um I don't know if they've changed it cuz I've not been there in a while but yeah all of these places you
41:04
can get it so I've even on endomet day which was like the co was it indomitus what yeah the covid one it was like gone
41:12
I was like it's still there it's still there I was doing like articles days later on you can still get it here you can
41:20
still get it here you can the best was the best was Leviathan at element but we went we went up and it was literally
41:27
blocks of them oh really oh wow I think um they were still Leviathan they was still have Leviathan for sale at
41:34
Birmingham games Expo yes really I think they've only just s sold through their
41:39
Leviathan stock yeah we we visited um but that's good the alus Factory and
41:45
then the ACR element games in Stockport and there was a pile of about 100 was
41:51
you did you did the m and it was like yeah there was but that's good though that mean like getting good availability
41:57
meaning people can buy in to the high value box all year M yeah that's that's
42:03
called smart business I think like it is though isn't it it's like hm people come here and they're going to want this
42:09
because it's sought after we've got it what's a decent sty box yeah that one yeah there are the good boxes but that's
42:15
kind of like having those I think it's the specialist models isn't it that really makes them stand out but anyway
42:20
so kill team well forget 40K War Warhammer is getting smaller
42:26
because so because the ancillary cuz people like you said I think the point you made earlier was people aren't so
42:32
much getting into kill team and then it's a gateway to 40K I think you said that I was like in agreement with that
42:39
it's actually they get into 40K they realize I ain't got time for this and then actually step down and exactly what
42:46
me and me and Tim uh bestie Tim have done is because we I go around to his
42:51
house normally there by about 8:30 we have a bit of a chat a cup of tea and then we start getting things set up and
42:57
we never finish a game of 40K we never finish a game of 40K no I never finish a
43:02
game of Monopoly should we play Monopoly go and yeah and basically and we went should we just downgrade to kill team
43:09
yeah you know and and and you know and I've got a I'm ping a lot of Cru of the moment and all it's done it's centered
43:14
me because I've got I've got crew to paint let's start with the far stalkers yeah because then I can play them in Kill team and then they're still painted
43:21
from a cruit army anyway but um yeah I just think if for if if Warhammer Games
43:28
Workshop are serious about um Kil team being an important thing going to sort
43:34
that distribution out because it's been just quite poor hasn't it and especially if you think about going forward where
43:40
it looks like they've got this this plan of all the Flyers jumpers we never dealt
43:46
with they fly now yeah they fly now yeah so is that going to be do we so is that because like I think as you were saying
43:53
earlier Pat is that because we've kind of gone through like we've almost got representatives of every faction what
44:00
are we going to do to move forward well we'll just do it again but now fly things yeah okay another example is the
44:06
Raptors all chaos Marine Raptors are way old what they jumpack right and they're
44:13
long long past being getting a release because obviously what we think of go go well they're old and you go but
44:18
obviously Games Workshop is working a couple of years in advance and they're going well the Raptors are really old
44:23
but they're still on the Shelf because we know that we're currently working on them for kill team updates them for the rest of the army
44:29
you know I built some storm boys recently and even though that Kit's really old I love it it's got so much
44:35
character yeah um variety yeah and and that's kind of like a multi-art kit
44:40
where I'm like hey you know what I really enjoyed that this is multi part cuz I want the grot that's like hanging onto the back of the jetpack I want him
44:48
on that one with that specific head um like you know cigars and like like loads
44:54
of them have they look like Spitfire p pilot from and like the hats and goggles and stuff and they look that was a bit
45:02
more of an era where you would buy multiple copies of the same box because you want to now it almost feels like you
45:09
you buy multiple copies of the same box because you have to yeah potentially
45:15
yeah and and kill team kill team can be a bit of a booger for that because it it
45:21
rbts but yeah cuz Christ if you depends on how you want to do your your rbts you can end up with buying that plumon box
45:27
three times yeah um if you want every but to be fair that is one that I'd want to buy three times yeah and it is maybe
45:34
maybe I'm wrong with HP that kit is not only brilliant but it's brilliant at the very least just for the chalk made to
45:40
scene on on on the tcal [ __ ] like where would you where would you put that you'd
45:45
have to buy you'd have to be on a on a you'd have to have some sort of neck on the board wouldn't you so also as well as we've got now the the book has been
45:53
has been uh teased that in a few weeks time we'll have a book board actions
45:58
right which and then on Warhammer Community page they give a bit of an example of how that plays whereas unlike
46:05
in the past it was like you can't take monsters you can't take dreadn you can't take vehicles take 500 points and then
46:12
all better off off you go and that right okay but it was still 40K wasn't it it's still 40K the rules were mostly 40K with
46:19
some rules for things like opening the doors and so stuff like that but they've now shown the new one and the new one is
46:25
now becoming in interestingly is becoming like combat Patrol light so
46:32
wait so Jesus Christ I'll explain I'll explain know when you buy combat Patrol you just get a box with this stuff in it
46:38
yes and then you play that against another box which has got and it should be balanced right so can I add something
46:44
to that cuz the new mag this is kind of exclusive um and I allowed to I'm
46:50
thinking so right so I know a little bit about combat Patrol cuz you know that the partworks magazine the new combat
46:56
Patrol magazine is coming out yeah and I asked this cuz I I was getting asked people and and I can't reveal any
47:02
weirdly until next week so by the time this goes out this will be fresh off the press so combat Patrol magazine is
47:10
basically I think you get eight six or eight I think it's say across the 80 magazines on 90 magazines combat patrols
47:17
oh wow so you basically build up they're doing two at a time two at a time two at a time and two at a time so this you'll
47:22
get this one that one this one that one then oh so you've got an opponent so you've got an opponent and slowly Build It Up how to play Combat Patrol really
47:30
smart cuz people only buy the magazine for cheap cheap minis anyway yeah um but now this will give you the massive
47:36
variety um but the way these combat patrols are built are it's essentially
47:42
the combat Patrol box plus another model so the Space Marines one for example is
47:47
is the combat Patrol Space Marines plus a chaplain bike oh right okay which is a
47:54
which is a bit so so that's it but these played against each other we looked at the points to see how balanced they were
47:59
and not very no so um there's already that but these are the combat patrols
48:05
that you get normally plus an extra model combat Patrol plus and things like I think it was the gene Steeler Cults is
48:11
the old Gene Steeler Cults um fact uh combat Patrol not the one they've just
48:16
released yes but this unbalances Naf isn't it the new one yeah but then the
48:22
problem being is is you won't be able to play oh right cuz when you if you now
48:27
get a jean CU you now have to buy the Jean steal well you don't have to buy you can do through the app or you can do
48:32
it through lots of other little areas will do it for you but if you want to do it legit you have to buy the J Jean
48:38
dealer called codex which will then have the combat Patrol elements inside it
48:43
which won't match what partworks are doing no but the partworks magazines are releasing these combat patrols So based
48:50
on the feedback that the community were putting in like my Facebook group and the hash at group so um I went to haset
48:57
and said look right so there's you're releasing these combat patrols but then there's this bigger game of combat
49:03
Patrol will these now more powerful combat patrols be directly compatible
49:10
with the combat Patrols in the main game and they came back and went yeah so so
49:15
you could turn up and go oh Space Marines versus Space Marines I'm going to bring my combat Patrol from the codec
49:20
brilliant I'm going to bring my combat Patrol from the magazine heartwork magazine and you have an I've got an
49:27
extra unit oh so I'm I am still scratching my head think somewhere along
49:32
the line that's not going to lie that hasn't translated well and I can't imagine that's going to be taken well by the community but I have asked three
49:39
times are these usable in the combat Patrol wider game and the answer was yes
49:45
I think somewhere in the magazine like somebody's because don't forget it this is now third-and information from from
49:52
Warhammer through hasher through probably a few people to me to you
49:57
understand the game but i' I've been clear and there were three emails back and forth to confirm this and yeah so
50:02
they will be thinging I'm like no that's not going to work either the community will just go no I'm not allowing you to
50:09
have one more thing because you collected a magazine or somewhere someone will realize and the magazines
50:15
will be C because the even now like we're weeks away from the release um which is I could more exclusive
50:21
information I can tell you the release date um because I've just had an email 28th of August oh cool um and
50:29
they're going to start taking subscriptions from the 14th that's just not going to work I'm good to post this from the first cuz cuz
50:36
them com all the new combat patrols now are balanced against new combat patrols
50:43
so if you then go where doing the old Jean stealer called combat Patrol yes you you you're plus a model plus a model
50:49
yeah and then you bring that out to play against you mate and he's got one that's just been released since 10th yeah
50:55
you'll be like no yeah so it's confusing me you can put that out by the way cuz it's um it's the other things that are
51:01
in that email that I'm allowed to announce on the first but the release date you can talk about yeah yeah so yeah I don't quite know how that's yeah
51:07
I don't and and I think at some point the magazine will be like if you want to play actual combat Patrol with other
51:12
combat patrols please remove this unit yeah yeah so I just I think it's just been an oversight somewhere but even
51:19
though if you say remove the unit if they are building an old combat Patrol that might not be viable in 10
51:26
against don't know yeah he saying 10th so is is combat Patrol part of well when I say 10th what no 10th cuz what I mean
51:35
what I mean by that is that a lot of combat patrols after 10th edition landed
51:41
a lot of combat a lot of all the armies that got a codex after 10th after 10th got a A lot
51:50
of them got a new combat Patrol right a lot of their combat Patrol is different to what it was in right so I this is for
51:57
me and for the audience who don't understand it um and there's a lot of people out there watching who are like God how dumb is this guy but I've never
52:03
played the game help me Lear um so there were combat patrols there's a Space
52:09
Marine combat Patrol let's say so it started off with start collecting boxes didn't it yes and and and that was like
52:17
I feel like loads of these games have spawned from well we sell this box should we make a game of it yeah like
52:22
everyone's got that scen let's make a game of that so they were start collecting 440k you'd be like hey how about you
52:29
start collecting Orcs here's the start collecting Orcs box roughly this space
52:34
forever in a day was foboss yes it was the contents of that game that had come out with newer chaos Marines it was like
52:42
spear something I can't remember what it but obviously combat patrols came out before 10th yes yes so we got let's say
52:49
we've got Space Marines combat Patrol maybe this one hasn't changed I don't know we've we've got that comes out then
52:54
10th edition comes out then codex for that Army comes out with a new combat
52:59
Patrol in it for the new box yes is that old combat Patrol now not playable in combat Patrol no so you can still play
53:06
the old combat Patrol and the new the old combat Patrol set actually combat I'm saying this combat Patrol just
53:12
didn't exist in ninth why I'm talking not a nonsense I think combat Patrol was new with with landed with 10th I think I
53:19
think they they rejigged it and made it more official in I think it started
53:24
towards the tail Ender KN where it became again and I think that's why I'm like someone at G's Workshop went
53:31
well people might not there's a Coy livs on guys people might not be able to afford yeah a 240k army how about we
53:39
just have all these boxes that already exist fight each other yeah well they're not very well balanced did I stutter
53:48
like yeah it's yeah i' so you're right I think they existed in some form in nth
53:53
but it became a much more solid allegedly balanced thing in 10 and then every Army that has had a
54:01
codex since 10th has had at least one variant of a combat Patrol the other
54:07
variant is normally coming through through uh white dwarf right and and then then in order to build that you
54:14
have to just get the individual model build it the com the combat patrols are getting like worse value as well like
54:20
the orc one especially I think like you have the the so the combat Patrol boxes
54:26
they were called combat patrols before the combat Patrol game existed in the
54:33
yeah so then that's where somebody went well we've got a name we've got the boxes let's just write some rules hey um
54:39
okay so like the oran for example uh the the previous ones that I
54:44
had from like ninth you get your death copters you get three death copters a death dread a ton of boys and then
54:52
you've got your your War Boss in like Mega armor and stuff like whereas the new one is weirdly for
55:00
there's two isn't he cuz there's one that's like more sort of Squig uh based it's just a ton of yeah like the beast
55:07
sagger boys and then what's the second one the other one still got like thing big there's three orc ones
55:14
then well no the one from n you can't get anymore but that sounded good I was like and and for me who was more of a
55:21
painter I'm like that's a decent amount of variety that and it was a good and it was a much better price as well yeah
55:27
well that that I mean price price price going yeah price going up price is going to go I don't mind price is going up but
55:32
if the value what's in the box at the same time I know We've joked on this but
55:38
it's we're seeing it more and more yeah well like you say you know my the one that's close to my heart cuz I'm currently building and painting them is
55:43
crud crud went up in value and came down six minutes exactly yeah yeah um but yeah it's it's that sort of thing and
55:49
the details there the details definitely there we we're enjoying it right sorry on no you go you go all right yeah so
55:56
the orc one so the one the one that you're thinking of uh which I had death dread death copters boys and uh a boss
56:04
um like they don't make that anymore someone's trying to sell it for 120 quid on eBay um the one still good value yeah
56:12
the one that the one that you get like the new one is like 20 Beast sagger
56:18
Boys um some of the like Squig Rider things like the orc version of little
56:24
horses um and then the be snag a boss so there's it's just not like you know the
56:30
irony with Standalone like awesome miniature the irony with Orcs is that the other kill their other combat Patrol
56:37
is actually still playable what the first one that 120 quid because I I'm
56:43
looking at what I'm going to buy uh my son for Christmas he wants to get into orks but he wants to play Combat Patrol
56:49
and I don't know which box is going to be the one going forward it's probably going to be the Beast slagger one but
56:55
yeah if I go into to uh my Army Builder app because that has
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uh both in it by going to there combat
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Patrol G Dr G Stompers Stompers and mm's butchers right okay so there's two
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compat two compact patrols at the moment for and I'd imagine one of them is probably the bottom one mm's butchers
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which has beast that's the Beast snaggers which has got all Beast snaggers one oh you get a photo of it
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that's quite cool and that's the one he was on about with the death copters am I wrong as well just quid now on from
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Workshop what for a combat Patrol yeah and the grey Knights one you get oh what
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did you get I do still like they could do with an update 12 minutes but they don't isn't there something in the law like they won't primaris they W Primus
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yeah yeah that's a shame although weirdly they re-released that Captain and he got strangely bigger he yeah he's
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well it was like even when the primaris came out it's like yeah they've gone through the the bottle of Rubicon um
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bottle of Rubicon and then G through a tropical drink and it's like yeah you know um uh
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Gman thingy Ro robot Gman has put them through this and then they've got bigger
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and it's like oh cool why why the death guard bigger yeah no one no got 10,000
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years of chaos roids yeah after 10,000 years I'm free and well the chaos Marines have got slightly bigger as well
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is even before that and I'm pretty sure I've measured this I could be wrong before that came out the Thousand Suns
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came out why are they bigger cuz they fancy hat probably no no if you measure head to they they are primar scale I'm
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sure but um right so talk me through it let's come back to topic right so you've
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got your journey so you've got we've got 40K yes within 40 the big army game
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Sorry right at the top we've got apocalypse yes right has been seen nobody plays because no one's got that
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much money um and if they have they don't play 40K they're busy on the stock
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market or doing whatever they do to earn money like running Twitter um so if if Elon and Bezos can't
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play Warhammer you then play 40K yeah below 40K is then combat Patrol which is
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basically 40K but but set box versus box predetermined 40K right that's your
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gateway isn't it yes I would say that's your gateway then you've got below that boarding actions which is 50 60 pound
59:38
box well boarding actions is well the new boarding actions relies pretty much
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on you either going out and buying a loads of stuff or I think how Bard and actions really works looking at what was
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shown on Warhammer Community the other day you really need to already be playing that game in 40K
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wait what that Army in 40K you need to already on it right and the reason for that is
1:00:03
because what it does is is they've shown two genan Steeler cult lists for and it's going you may take one of these but
1:00:11
only one and then it shows like four characters right and then when it comes to your infantry it goes you can take
1:00:16
these these and these and oh so they're splitting it down and they go there's four options for like infantry pick two
1:00:24
and they can't be the same two right so it's sort of like combat Patrol but not
1:00:29
quite as so this is back to Army building again then not box versus box that that's the bit confuses me but so
1:00:36
combat Patrol is fixed yes it's it's this list only must be these models or
1:00:42
people proxy don't they you shouldn't don't proxy proxies AR something we like um
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but yeah so so combat Patrol is fixed 40K isn't fixed you can field you want
1:00:56
and that's the bit more so and this is where I'm just like no I don't care I don't want to sit and spend 4 hours it's
1:01:03
why I don't like deck building card games I I love playing um Hearthstone
1:01:08
because uh that's the blizzard one on the computer cuz it's it's like I'll just play the single player using the
1:01:14
free cards you get when I start building my own cards I don't have the memory for it and the same with um Pokemon or magic
1:01:21
I'm like yeah I I don't mind playing Command Deck versus Command Deck because they they're set decks is I think it's
1:01:28
Command Deck or the the the Pokemon you get the the boxes versus The Boxers that're kind of well I used to play Star
1:01:35
Wars one and you used to go to tournament sometimes and they'd be blind tournaments right where they just gave you x amount of packet and and you have
1:01:41
to build out of what you were given yeah so i' play Blind whereas I like the starter deck versus starter deck cuz
1:01:46
it's like these are roughly i' play I've played starter deck versus starter deck I don't want to have to learn I want to sit and play the game I know how to play
1:01:52
and do that so 40K no not for me combat Ro fixed versus fixed all right
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interesting I kind of like that you rely on the only problem with that then you are massively even more so than 40K
1:02:04
you're relying on the game writer to know what they're doing yep even more so
1:02:09
than 40K yeah I've heard right and I don't know enough but I've heard enough on the internet to understand where you
1:02:15
going right okay yeah fine good point well made thank you um and then we've
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got kilting no boarding actions which is lesser again and boarding actions as I
1:02:27
understand it is you've got all that [ __ ] terrain you may as well use it plus these set they had some set boxes
1:02:35
they did in the last one during like Ark of omen when like Vash it was like oh
1:02:40
Vash came out and then they that's when the abadin and all of his little babies came out in a box yeah
1:02:48
um are they gone now can you not get those were just like oneof it's all very convoluted and very
1:02:54
weird um and I think there was something in that abadin box that actually abadam
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yeah I know sorry I know I I always say Abad it just R my veins know I used to
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um weirdly I say aad and black but then I say abdon anyway gone sorry could
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they're different they're different characters yeah um that was too many points he was too many points so you
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couldn't actually use all of that box in um boarding actions yeah yeah so it was
1:03:26
just a big weird convoluted so but now but now we're getting a book or we but
1:03:31
we it's we're rumored to be getting a book so now we're getting a book but the
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book instead of going set versus set which was because that would have been perfect entry level to me I'm not dumb
1:03:43
am I I would have been like okay right so I can either buy a massive army with two boxes in that I don't want in in to
1:03:51
get into 40K or I can buy a combat Patrol which is box versus box but I have really got 100 quid or 110 or
1:03:57
whatever they are now but I have got 50 60 quid to to give it a go I'll get one
1:04:03
of these boarding actions sets because it's again it's even and in fact if I if I get the chaos one and you get the orc
1:04:10
one we can go home and have a game this afternoon yeah brilliant but no so now it's going to be boarding actions of
1:04:17
these rules and you now need to build mini armies yes which is going to be
1:04:22
much easier to do which which is going to be much EAS EAS to do if you're a 40K player yes so you can't so this is like
1:04:29
saying this isn't a Gateway because if you look if I show you for example I can
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actually show you uh genan Steeler called cult unveiled you can include one
1:04:40
of the following of Primus you can include up two of the following but you can't
1:04:45
duplicate an acolyte a clamorous uh kelor for Locus or sanus so you can have
1:04:51
two of them you can't duplicate and then when it comes to your Army list you can have up to each three of each of the
1:04:57
following units and then they and they can be duplicated yeah you can have to three acolyte hybrids with auto pistols
1:05:05
or neight hybrids you can include up to one of the following unit acolyte
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hybrids with hand flamers okay right so that isn't a Gateway is it that's really
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much relying on you having an army already or I would say a I mean it's I don't know like it's
1:05:23
a right and then they have another version of it again where it's a different style of one C I think that is
1:05:29
a gateway to 40K because to me that one page is easier to read then here's all
1:05:35
your units with their points go and do math yeah okay with this insane version
1:05:42
of Excel and figure this out because if I'm writing 40K it's not just this this
1:05:47
you don't just work out your units it's like these weapons and those weapons change and and but what I'm saying is
1:05:53
though is that that if you went decided you going to play boarding actions and you never played 40K yeah and you had to
1:06:00
go out and start buying that stuff individually that's not as opposed to just being a Bo you need a boarding
1:06:06
actions box that says this is the Jean Steelers and then the problem being
1:06:12
maybe that's are they on split spru though would and the problem you've then got is the fact you'd have to do it
1:06:17
twice because there's another option each each Army looks like they going to have yeah yeah but I mean if you're
1:06:23
going to they cuz there's no way games where Chopper going to go here's a jean stealer C boarding action box and here's
1:06:30
the other Jean stealer C boarding no they won't but what they all together
1:06:35
or but if you bang all of that together with all of them options you basically have just gone and bought yourself a 40K
1:06:42
G Ste C arm me hav you so and there you go and then you can play 40K looking at the size of that as well that is kind of
1:06:49
the size of a combat Patrol it's getting there yeah so so it's kind of but no what GW I expect would do is is they'll
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take that list and go well you can have this one basically whatever they've got excess stock of and they not selling
1:07:03
they'll put in a box and then go here's your jean Steeler C your new Jean Steeler Colts boarding actions box and
1:07:10
then it goes back to box versus box but if you want you've then got you can then
1:07:15
swap him out for one of them by just going and buying that one model which to me from a business point of view is the
1:07:22
better is is the better Gateway because cuz it's like you can do this box versus
1:07:27
that box but now you've also got options whereas the problem with combat Patrol I feel from a Games Workshop business
1:07:34
point of view it's too restrictive because if you want to go combat Patrol to bigger Army it's a few more hundred
1:07:40
quid to spend well and you know not oh I'll just get this one for 30 quid this week and then I've got my choice you
1:07:45
know the thing that saddens me is it wasn't that long ago on this channel it was me and Pat and I was applauding
1:07:51
Games Workshop for doing extra combat Patrols in white dwarf which they did a
1:07:57
really nice thing was not only did they go here's an alternate one even though you've already got one here's an
1:08:02
alternative one and they even printed the little cards that could be punched out yeah double-sided so they went
1:08:09
there's there's another little combat Patrol if you go and and I was like well done they did they did Space Marines
1:08:16
they did uh IDs and they did uh a combat Patrol for the kill team that was the
1:08:23
Rogue Trader from the last kill Team edition but came with star strides as
1:08:28
they were called and a fancy looking Road Trader they did the rules for them yeah and when here you go here's them
1:08:34
and then you played some um Navy breaches as well in that and they went not the not the cheapest of things to
1:08:40
collect but you could do it and they went here's here's an army for them and I was like well done games reop this is
1:08:45
a really really good idea and now they've got now they going ah do you know what cover others they done three
1:08:50
and now just give up on it oh and you're like come on you were on a good iterum yeah keep going speaking of things we
1:08:57
should applaud them for um that they did and I want to say in white dwarf I don't know where it was published but it was a
1:09:02
screenshot um that um sugs posted yeah um they have actually announced in this
1:09:08
um storm not stormbringer scaven tide box yeah who the sculpts were oh the of
1:09:15
at least for the stormcast and things like that so and that is something you know like they went into they did their
1:09:20
only hands phase and not recognizing their people it looks like they've now gone back to cuz we care about the
1:09:26
artists like we care about I want to get recognition for my art whether that's my
1:09:31
miniature my photography or videography and that's what gives me the pride in my work the fact that they're now doing
1:09:38
this for their sculptors yeah and I hope they extend to their painters and their
1:09:44
2D artists and everybody who works for them who creates yeah um fantastic we we
1:09:52
all want that so I think that deserves a small round of appla for at least appearing to go back to that more of
1:09:57
that please we love it yeah so I know they've been stung in the past with people growing and and you know
1:10:05
maybe moving off to things like that but taking care of and giving recognition to the people behind the work at your
1:10:12
company love it look at what who's the Virgin no who's the who's the guy who
1:10:18
runs Branson he said that take care of you right the Virgin who runs virgin
1:10:23
sorry yeah who runs virgin you don't have to be a virgin to work at virgin no
1:10:28
that it's not no it's not a given though you so why was it declined um I wanted
1:10:34
to be an air an an air host person um but no like he said take care of your
1:10:39
take care of your employees they'll take care of you yeah yeah do that and hopefully they're going back to that so
1:10:45
well done Games Workshop for recognizing the creative talents of your wonderful people because your sculpts are [ __ ] hot
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yeah yeah yeah all right but yeah so so they've confused it even more right so we've got them that's 40K what the
1:11:02
[ __ ] guilty K team is probably bye everyone no but where does Hil is the
1:11:09
simplest of them all own thing isn't it it's easy to play the rules are actually really quite different in some ways if
1:11:15
you can play 40K it makes it easy to Lear to play kill team but I was saying to talk about this this morning with Pat it does have quite rules that really
1:11:22
only reflect itself because it's a skirmish game model versus that model yes and you
1:11:29
actually instead of like 40K where I go I move I shoot if I'm close enough I charge and then we fight and then it's
1:11:35
your go and you move and you shoot this one you go I shoot at you yeah he shoots at me every minute you runs independent
1:11:43
runs back and forth you run in order and you all and you have orders so you well actions so you can go I'm going to not
1:11:49
shoot I'm going to run and then go over there and switch that device on or I'm going to glot that that thing so it it
1:11:56
is quite its own thing and um and that you know and some way way that's the simplest way of playing anything 40K
1:12:02
related because it's one team in a box done and it's a small little unit not even you're painting if if you're really
1:12:10
unlucky you're painting probably 12 at the most maybe 14 outside yeah I did
1:12:15
like what was the one with I want to say cuz I remember doing the review for this one I thought it was a bit cheeky and
1:12:20
they were like you get 22 Miniatures I want to say it was the C and it was like you get you get 21 Miniatures in the box
1:12:27
and it was 10 something versus 10 cre and the 11th miniature the it was Commandos was it Commandos um and then
1:12:35
the 11th miniature was a medic bag yeah it was just a medic bag on a stand on
1:12:40
its own little Bas you really call that yeah I suppose it is but with the with
1:12:45
the with the cro and the cakin box was that were they in the same box and
1:12:51
breaches yeah it was CR and breaches yeah CR and breaches they had like a little robot thing I'd take the robot
1:12:57
thing did have quite a bit more character yeah it's better than just a bag a bag yeah and I'm like surely that
1:13:03
doesn't operate on its I don't know maybe it was an object it was more than an objective marker but still um like if
1:13:10
that's if that goes along with the medic at all times or something or can be moved it's not its own independent move
1:13:16
whatever but yeah so kill team sounds like it's the one for me I can focus a
1:13:22
lot on building a squad can I build it like I choose my options you can do to
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some to some degree yeah is like if you want to take um Rank and fight like um
1:13:34
in my crw Army I have to substitute something else if I want to take hounds right okay but hounds come in the
1:13:41
box right okay so I can choose like the rbts I can choose the load out for load that's you have the
1:13:49
guy with the dog because if my crew if my crew team is having to go by there is more Specialists and there is models
1:13:57
right okay right which leads to that second box yeah yeah I have a Tracker who's got
1:14:05
a a on one knee with a his gun like that and then he's got a Beed sitting on the top of the bayut right like a banet like
1:14:12
a blade sitting on the top of that hurt a bomb what sorry wouldn't that hurt a bomb yeah apparently so and um and
1:14:18
that's a really lovely model because you know what it comes with cuz he's like a tracker for your base it comes with a
1:14:24
mud human footprint of a as if he's like that way and that's
1:14:30
really cool but then you also have one who's like on one knee with his hand out stretched like that and a knife like
1:14:36
that and he's like one of your close combat guys and he go you can only make one or the other so and kill team does a
1:14:42
bit of that so it's like buy two buy two you got buy two or if you want if you
1:14:47
want CU I'd imagine when you playing kill team more competitively and you've got your Force you want to kind of go on
1:14:54
playing against them so I'm going to swap out and that that's where you get into a bit more of the strategy yeah if
1:14:59
you're playing against if you're playing against a regular opponent friend then you'll go I know these will work better
1:15:04
than that like if you're more of a painter than a player I think kill team's great because you could quite
1:15:09
really go to town more comfortably buy different You' be like oh well I think the or Commandos are really cool but I
1:15:16
also quite like the beastmen and like whenever why would you buy them like separately or whatever or you know so
1:15:21
you can you can go to town on fewer models if you wanted to paint them really quick so you could just get
1:15:26
playing but you can also say oh well I'll play night Lords this time or you know you can swap between armies a lot
1:15:33
easier than like how how rare is it for someone there there's always someone in
1:15:38
the comments and and fair play to them um if if they have like three fully
1:15:43
painted 40K armies like that's going to be rare right oh yeah yeah but I think
1:15:49
you know there's probably people out there with a really good collection of kill teams who don't yeah don't have that many Kill don't have that many 40K
1:15:55
armies the only thing that would concern me and and I know it's probably very unlikely but if um if you didn't really
1:16:03
were aware of the existence of kill team and you bought a codex and then you G I want them guys
1:16:09
and then walked into somewhere that sold them that sold 40K and never realized it was a kill team section and realized
1:16:16
they weren't available to buy yeah cuz they they're branded me they're always branded as
1:16:22
kilting right okay yeah so if you walk into walk into wammer world yeah and um
1:16:28
you got you've got Forge World on the right but that's where te the kill team
1:16:33
boxes are but if you were kind of like oh I picked up a codex online I won these guys you'd walk in
1:16:41
and you go oh all the Miniatures are over to the left and then you'd be searching for them for ages oh they don't sell them they oh they must they
1:16:47
must be out of stock is that's the very very feasible thing to do I know there not many people that's going to happen to you but it's a it's it's a thing
1:16:53
isn't it tldr is Warhammer is [ __ ] confusing yes the all the different
1:16:59
version of it is certainly getting more and more convoluted um what weird are like their existence it's good that they
1:17:05
exist cuz there's cheaper ways to play the game yeah and that's what that's really a really really important thing
1:17:12
yeah you know if they were really Savvy for people that not really considered it in their codex they would actually put
1:17:18
in a little a little um you know a little appendix box would say this model
1:17:23
is part of it the these this are this this unit also exists as part of the kill team range you say that but then
1:17:30
they'd have to then manage one I think they're different Studios aren't they 40K and and specialist games yeah they
1:17:37
are they are yeah so or for is it Forge World they're called well Forge World don't do um Forge World are responsible
1:17:44
for blood ball and necrom necr yeah kill team no I think K team is still a studio
1:17:50
thing okay yeah again we don't need to know but yeah but again it' still rely on if they were
1:17:57
going to do that imagine if they released a codex then people and they were like it wouldn't be consistent
1:18:03
because they know things that are coming before at the point the Codex gets released if that makes sense yeah I
1:18:10
think as well historically Games Workshop have been terrible at
1:18:16
advertising externally they know that they have cuz all all they do advertising wise is put stuff on
1:18:24
community yeah that's all they do yeah and and even whitew doesn't Advan knowledge
1:18:31
that's coming out I never read it I look at the pictures yeah gr Key Stage too
1:18:36
all Roger red hat does anyone remember that Jennifer yellow hat no oh no um so
1:18:43
yeah all they do is advertise to their fans already yeah who will have more of
1:18:48
an understanding of oh boarding Patrol and this that and the other whereas anyone that say on the outside which say
1:18:54
for this episode you have been and I'm not even pretending guys it's incredibly
1:19:00
confusing so I think like it's good that you know 40K 40K games are getting
1:19:08
smaller and that's obviously coming in with spearhead into AOS um which sounds
1:19:14
like it's been really well received which apparently uh I won't mention the uh the really lovely person of Games Workshop I was chatting to her a
1:19:20
barbecue a little while ago he went and he says and he says unlike kill unlike
1:19:25
bord and action unlike uh combat Patrol he says he actually balanced so fair play because the the
1:19:33
starter boxes from Workshop have never been balanced have they really like 10th
1:19:38
edition AOS like the Dominion wasn't balanced yeah oh yeah well Leviathan
1:19:43
they did they didn't even match in points to no no no they very rarely ever have yeah um so it's yeah I think yeah
1:19:51
Workshop have a horrific track record of adver in externally the only advert that
1:19:56
went on TV I think they did was for the previous uh partworks magazine they need to do they didn't
1:20:03
even do that haset did it yeah but I know some of the footage was shot from
1:20:10
workshops I know the guys that did it yeah there is two things I think with regards kill team you either have to a
1:20:18
make more starter boxes well not make more boxes or speed up how quickly they
1:20:24
come out individually cuz the other problem they had which was a big thing that was mainly a problem during the
1:20:30
Gallow dark season was that as we talked about every box you got them same
1:20:35
repeating walls but then they put in a new little flare like in one was like there's an Armory and another one it was
1:20:42
like um there's a hollow board wasn't he there was a hollow board there was this there was that think there's like cryo
1:20:47
Chambers in the don't mind that cuz that was building closer to a real space yeah but
1:20:54
then the problem being was is then that box would go a circulation that quickly
1:21:00
yeah and then the box that then had all of the quakey little bits that if you weren't buying it again you know yeah
1:21:06
you never they did a quakey little bo they did little box because there all the other bits that were in that box yeah and that was on sale for about that
1:21:13
long as well yes so you you know and the problem being with with that is if you're releasing a book cuz every one of
1:21:20
them boxes has its own set of scenarios and rules for a new thing so really see
1:21:26
cuz they wanted to buy multiple they wanted to buy all the books cuz they go well I don't know how that works well you buy the book and it'll show you how
1:21:32
you open the door or buy a book and tell you about that and all of them quaky little bits of scenery all had a rule
1:21:37
set but am I at a point now let's say I want to get into Kil te do I have to go and buy five historical books to
1:21:42
understand it yes depending on what you want to do
1:21:48
well if you B say you B I just want to play right so what I want to do I just want to play a [ __ ] game and have fun
1:21:54
I just want to get a squad of models and I want to sit with my mates and I want to have a beer and I want to go do this I don't want to read War Still Still
1:22:02
yeah well the starter box for kill team is still Orcs versus C yes right smaller
1:22:07
amounts of scenery it's like a get your starter yes remember but if your mate went I bought a section of them
1:22:14
spaceship walls off eBay yeah and you go we'll do that you'd then have to go and get that book to understand how to open
1:22:20
close the door and get yeah that that makes sense like get around the corner and it was really interesting I think
1:22:25
with the um again with with the first one with the uh the breaches Navy breaches is that they were there was a
1:22:32
guy with like a massive saw and you're in there and I think there were originally rules so he could cut cut a
1:22:38
new door in a wall but then they took those out so then it was like oh I've got this guy with this cool saw that
1:22:44
just can't do anything um I don't want to remember all this yeah well and then
1:22:49
well every every book yeah then goes here's how you fight on a royal rig yeah as we are currently at and there's how
1:22:55
you do this so that excites me because I was having a chat with um uh reys from um You' had him on the
1:23:03
show yeah why my minory why can't I think of the I work with him every day to say you are a bit like that he text
1:23:10
me this morning like sorry Ree and he was saying when we went we went away and we were having a chat and he was like
1:23:16
you know what they should do for uh for Warhammer like imagine kill team but and
1:23:22
I don't know if it's kill team or combat Patrol we're talking about that team but water world and everyone's
1:23:27
riding jet skis and there's a big oil rig and I'm like I would love that again again like taking night's movies you
1:23:34
know what if they carry on with the fact they're now moving on to flies you might end up with a jet ski army they
1:23:39
get so we haven't yeah we haven't got enough hovercrafts so I CU I see there's
1:23:45
things I would like them to do that I think that they would be would be good now that we've accepted that there is a
1:23:50
rough idea that there's mercenaries and they have in more in story than and background than in actual
1:23:57
they've never done it in the game like cro mer cro are mercenaries right and even in the crw far sters are the ones
1:24:06
which are from the kill team in the codecs they talked about that they got you can put a bounty on someone on the
1:24:11
other Army so they are essentially mercenary bounty hunters yeah and in one of the in the blab of one of the which
1:24:18
was really cool in the blab of her um in one of the kilam B books about the crout
1:24:24
there is a whole bit where um the crews have gone and done some work for a human
1:24:29
militia on a planet who aren tough enough to go and fight the Orcs yeah so they've paid the crout to go and do that
1:24:36
right and when the crew come back which is a really cool thing the crew comes back and bangs the old uh or Knob head
1:24:42
on the table and it says and the militia guy who's writing this bit about it says he said it was then that I noted I
1:24:48
know he it say noticed he said that the head hadn't been cut off it had' been chewed off
1:24:55
L you know so you so if we if we're accepted that the crew potentially can be mercenaries and I know it starts to
1:25:01
make the game a little bit more difficulty going well I'm going to take these as well wouldn't that be a good thing to do going forward further into
1:25:07
kill team and go alien Racers that have only ever had a name and you've never seen make them make them so they can be a
1:25:14
mercenary unit for anybody or maybe anybody might baby about stuff and then you go and secret end it's I a good way
1:25:21
as well for them to test the flavor of different design styles yeah and bring out things that don't need a codex they
1:25:28
just maybe need a set of rules which could be done through the community God wish work there is K team just going to
1:25:34
get like more like cuz I wouldn't really be interested if when they were just
1:25:40
like oh these are these mercenaries from so and so and so like this is my dog's uncles's nephews cousins brother's
1:25:46
sister like who cares like I I want I just think it be a nice way of just
1:25:52
introducing little 10 man teams of cool milit yeah yes but if they're not if they're
1:25:58
not attached to anything quite the like the same yeah I don't I can't see them
1:26:05
being as popular it like maybe if they're not Space Marines they won't
1:26:11
sell yeah that's it so so you know like I know you're getting that yeah yeah cuz you're saying you Scouts for example I'm
1:26:17
not as into them as I am SP I just don't want to happen I don't want it to creep
1:26:23
into all kill team where you're next thing you know I've brought up on my Plucky little band of crew two who have only got like a five plus armor save and
1:26:30
then me opponent they've allowed it to creep and now me opponent's G right I'm deep striking in with me Terminator
1:26:35
Squad and you go you know it's like I don't want it to creep back into being 40K light but you know but you know if
1:26:43
they they run out of things to do they'll just be like uh well what models what would be cool is if they do that
1:26:48
eventually people go do you know the only way you can where in in a year's time we be having an episode you go see
1:26:53
the only place you can get yourself blood Angel Terminators is through the new latest edition kill them you know or
1:27:00
they will if they can't release new teams because they you know
1:27:06
maybe they try doing hey this is this mercenary and that's that mercenary and everyone collectively went it's okay um
1:27:13
maybe they'll turn it into oh we need to make this much money from Kill team right that has a new addition cycle yeah
1:27:20
uh and I don't think they're going to do I don't and they get rid of or Commandos
1:27:25
and now they have knob squad or something you this is the thing is is I don't think the best bid going right
1:27:31
back to what start talking about right at the beginning in the next edition if the rumors are true are going to do that
1:27:37
well because I was read I next edition of kill team yeah so there is going to be a new addition yes but I mean that
1:27:44
which ones you were talking about oh me be over soon don't wor s about not t um can we can we just talk
1:27:51
about paint colors again I like blue I like vard blue I don't even really like
1:27:58
blue that much yeah but but I mean if they I cuz I at the moment because I'm building cruit kilty I'm gr building
1:28:03
cruit armies and I'm reading a lot of to lists on no one's taking vasid so they're going to create she's
1:28:11
the bird out of Casino Royale that's right yeah that's yeah you've agreed I I know my so they're going to release
1:28:17
these new models which will have the rules that already exist in the to codex and nobody's taken them anyway no so
1:28:25
it'd be interesting to see how well they actually sell they'll sell to guards players who the idea of having jump pack
1:28:31
Marine a jump pack solders if it's true will be over the moon with that I wonder
1:28:36
if like kill team gets so Niche that you can't they're like no
1:28:43
Tempest size of jump I no you can't use them in 40K you can't I wonder if it we'll ever get to that stage good thing
1:28:50
good thing that then it' be really well the main thing is is we've needs it all up for Ross and he's not confused now
1:28:56
and that's the main thing I'm more confused I was looking forward to this one cuz I thought right I'm finally going to understand here's my problem I
1:29:03
want to play Warhammer I'm deeply invested in Games Workshop I love painting the models they're amazing and
1:29:10
everyone talks about the game and everyone talks about the law and I feel excluded and I shouldn't feel excluded
1:29:17
because I still have an appreciation for Warhammer and it's it's it's whatever
1:29:22
your part of this hobby is it's whatever it is for you the winning is the friends we make along the way and all that but I
1:29:30
I want to have a deeper connection with this thing I love and it shouldn't be this [ __ ] hard well maybe the answer
1:29:38
is if you just collect thousands and thousands of points of an army for 40K
1:29:43
you're covered for every game they make but that that's the hobby that's the hobby to me just collecting the biggest
1:29:49
amount in of plastic if you have a th a th000 quids worth not points a quids
1:29:54
worth of jeans Steeler cult you're covered for whatever game they bring out aren't you yeah maybe what would it be
1:30:00
to buy how I wonder how much it would be to buy every single Jean stealer cuz they're not like a huge Army are they
1:30:05
there's not that Jean stealer cult more expensive than you think because they rely on mass
1:30:11
are they in a lot of the way you play on buy like multiple boxes because you feel you can feel um whatever ones they are
1:30:19
the ones that nearest to the humans you can feel them in 20s yeah that's why a crw army it's really funny because a
1:30:25
crout army doesn't actually have that many different uh data slates yeah but
1:30:30
if you're playing them without taking anything else you're going to need yeah you're going to need about you need to be taking about 120
1:30:38
standard crew carnivors to play the game if you wanted to really Max that list
1:30:43
out and try yeah you started this asking is Warhammer getting smaller it's not small
1:30:50
enough there isn't there isn't I there isn't a Gateway like when I was a kid my
1:30:56
mom would dropped me off in meow all uh Games Workshop yeah and be like
1:31:02
there you go and i' be like I just want to paint but yeah these got okay I'll roll some dice and like my my squad of
1:31:07
five chaos Terminators CU it's all I had got killed in like the first turn so I just stood there watching but where's
1:31:14
the gate where's the real Gateway where are the kids bear in mind we are in a generation where 30 seconds is not only
1:31:21
like the attention span that's too much okay okay and that's the generation coming in what is appealing to that
1:31:28
audience what is coming in and I know Warhammer is like well it's maybe not for blah it's more for you people who
1:31:35
are who can focus and do this and more yeah yeah possibly yeah possibly yeah more cerebral is probably the nicest way
1:31:42
to put it but what about the people who just want to have some F I just want to
1:31:47
get a box and go come back control okay there you go or have the don't put an or
1:31:55
in he's he's just he's fighting to stay above water as he is really one one thing we haven't talked about at all is
1:32:02
the um like the how they split up Leviathan and they have the starter kits
1:32:08
yeah and those boxes so you can have um you can't buy L anymore they they do
1:32:14
different sizes of they give you some of the rules and then you you have different sizes of St set so you could still have a few SP versus a few
1:32:22
tyranids and like there's like Squad and leader versus Squad and leader squad leader and special versus squad leader
1:32:29
and special same with terrain okay yeah yeah yeah and they've done that now for
1:32:34
a few um like it's the big box comes out they're like hey everyone who was into
1:32:40
eth or ninth here's your big exciting B box to get wow into 10th those aren't
1:32:45
for the new people we talk about we talked about this before the the big box that comes out on the day isn't a
1:32:52
starter box cuz it doesn't come with any dice doesn't come with this it doesn't come with that it's not really designed the other boxes isign for them people
1:32:59
that that one that comes out on the day is your gateway for existing people to jump over yeah to jump over then Ed but
1:33:06
again that's if you want to play for I think E edition was the last one that treated you like it was a new game yeah
1:33:11
yeah like you there was the last box that was for people starting because it came with it came with what I always
1:33:17
really quite like the little transparent um uh ruler just the inches on it was
1:33:22
transparent that was another question for the group and all of our listeners
1:33:28
if as as we have discussed I guess um it's not immediately obvious where to
1:33:37
jump into Warhammer like find a model that looks cool paint it like for
1:33:42
painting for painting it's easy yeah um and and you know that's that's definitely my sort of appeal going into
1:33:49
it um if it's increasingly more and more convoluted complicated like how long
1:33:56
until people just don't get into it oh like are they going to they're going to have to sort it out a bit right yeah I I
1:34:03
would think like maybe maybe the draw is and maybe I just don't have enough friends and you two are useless that
1:34:08
you're not you're not like well I think I think the answer is yes to both of those but but like there's I don't stuck
1:34:16
with us I'm afraid I don't have a friend group that's like drawing me in and I think that's yeah
1:34:23
that that's a little bit immature if I can say sorry guys a bit
1:34:29
immature of a company to behave in such a way that they expect Their audience to be their Gateway because they're just
1:34:37
you know it it really is about them having a product that will
1:34:42
make there is nothing out there that makes me go wow I want to play that I
1:34:47
want to get into that like everything you said about Kil team I'm like all right I was actually sat here like all
1:34:53
right all right all right and then you were like oh you've got this book and that no no just well what hopefully
1:34:59
hopefully might happen is when the next again rumors all Li till the told otherwise to quote uh chapter Grand
1:35:06
grandmas Val is he grandmas now grandmas chapter Master CH sorry chapter Master Oh I thought I thought he just like it's
1:35:13
me I'm I'm promoting him um is he the believe there the next box will be a
1:35:19
complete an addition refresh a lot of the rules that have existed scatter a shot over a number of areas might get
1:35:26
drawn into that book right okay like they did with uh like they did with necromunda didn't he necromunda was a
1:35:33
bit scattered yes you think I tell you what you think it's oh yeah good point what's necromunda explain that one
1:35:38
that's a whole episode yeah what necromunda did was ridiculous like their main rule
1:35:44
book when it explained weapons didn't explain the effects of
1:35:51
some weapons if it wasn't in that starter box see for example if I had
1:35:56
that rule book yeah and I and the Army I picked at a flamethrower I would need
1:36:01
the expansion for my Army to explain what happened when they set some on fire because it wasn't in the main rule book
1:36:07
because that book didn't represent everybody's everybody's weapon options yeah the rules were just all
1:36:14
over all over place and then they did a new rule book where they brought everything in and thankfully including the ashte they brought everything into a
1:36:20
new rule book and went everything's in there okay but it took a long time but necromunda was terrible for it the rules
1:36:26
were everywhere speaking of terrible things you know those Gateway games that they have at
1:36:31
game like I say game like in America it's bar they don't Space Marine heroes or they the
1:36:38
scouts versus the T tyranids right they're not good because if they were
1:36:44
they do multiple versions of them they'd be version 2 three so that's not that's not me saying I don't like them i' I've
1:36:51
not been try any of them them games are dad dad dad dad dad that's what them
1:36:57
games are which is fine and as a parent he knows exactly what I'm saying but there's there's something that's missing
1:37:02
between them and kill team combat trol whatever that will get me into faction
1:37:08
based me versus you yeah entry level entry level price and fun hey you need
1:37:15
the 40K starter box forget it right none of these things like none of this stuff appeals to me and there will be
1:37:22
something that does do you want to play kill I'll play I'll play should we wait for the next rumored one and then we'll
1:37:29
do kill team and we'll do K and we'll see if that's a okay yeah cuz I'm thinking about getting anyway cuz I want
1:37:34
to do the best but I don't know what they are but can I bring can I bring my told you about four times is this the
1:37:40
ones we started the conversation the they fly now remember that yeah can
1:37:47
I still use my rbes or no can I use the will I be able to use the um night Lords
1:37:54
yeah right that's me yeah there we go we'll sort something El right next Edition yeah okay next Edition I'm Gonna
1:38:01
Learn and I'm going to be like right okay can somebody who wants to like I want to play Warhammer this is the thing
1:38:07
I want to I want to play a Warhammer game click there's your thumbnail but I want to [Laughter]
1:38:13
play yeah that's it I think I think the idea was that I was going to talk about all the different things no I feel like
1:38:19
I just done as just just confused Paul rossore yeah yeah we' learn just waffled
1:38:24
away and I haven't made any sense to anyone including myself you made sense to me I now I now have an interest in
1:38:31
kilty you now have option yeah okay but it shouldn't have taken this long no yeah yeah Workshop should have done this
1:38:38
for you not yeah so Kil team is is very much designed to be like a like a
1:38:44
skirmish game like they don't you don't have a tape measure yeah uh you've got
1:38:49
you've got your token which you know is inches but remember chatting to the the
1:38:54
guy like the rule writer and he said you know if you buy like a standalone game you're like they don't really put like
1:39:01
rulers in them and that's a bit difficult so you go oh you move three blue and and that kind of thing you know
1:39:06
I used that the other night and I quite liked how that work yeah makes sense when you're changing direction as well
1:39:11
it's quite good for that yeah yeah you know so yeah I do I do like the the weird ruler SL marke thing can you play
1:39:19
three players yeah probably okay yeah yeah we should did yeah like an idea
1:39:24
let's do it all right look look forward to our good luck when we when we know where we're at with the new kill team and we'll see where we go from there
1:39:30
yeah I'll eventually have said the all command is painted up at some St so he's got a team I'll have a team I've got me
1:39:37
I've I've got teams by default anyway but I'll have I'll I've got me Cruz
1:39:43
which are a dedicated prop I might just take I wonder if I wonder if there was rules to take Terminators in in the
1:39:49
compendium I wonder if you could oh no don't do that I thought don't do that I thought that's the we were saying can I
1:39:55
just take a dreadn then that's so easy to pay if I just pretend up for Kil te with a bane blade will that be
1:40:02
okay yeah do it there's there's a team in it you drive our to be about size yeah
1:40:12
so yeah yeah there we go so we've settled on kill team being the Gateway oh that would be good though wouldn't
1:40:18
they well um you know if they did like kill team but it was like armor so it's just like three tanks versus three tanks
1:40:23
on a board that' be quite cool I I still think kill track um kill track wouldn't
1:40:29
it isn't that Legion imperialis like CU that's like Lo like you got that's more
1:40:35
vehicle based and very good Jesus Christ just going to leave the camera on me
1:40:43
just right okay so we've Sur nothing really did we well other than getting
1:40:49
smaller yes yes but not enough yes there is there is no good Gateway product in
1:40:56
my opinion corre there really isn't a good easy pickup Gateway product that in
1:41:02
40K maybe there is in sigar but I don't care about elves and fairies well well
1:41:07
you said uh underworlds underworlds underworlds sorry yeah okay so I'm wrong um in my own point so yeah underworlds
1:41:13
and Warhammer needs to bring back space Hulk and make all underworlds 40K or something like underworld's 40K that's
1:41:20
easier like a bit more structured yeah yeah structured simple on a board a board game a fun board game and on a
1:41:28
board that is actually like a cardboard board not just the crappy paper ones
1:41:33
that we give out now yeah anyway so that's cleared everything
1:41:42
up yeah yeah anyway that that puppet War stuff's nice yeah it's not bad as it so
1:41:48
I just like pretty things yes thank you very much everyone for listening to that suffering that yeah we love you all we
1:41:54
especially love you patreons yes we do thank you very much as always thanks for tuning in cheers everyone bye bye bye he

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