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Does Golden Demon need to Change? Kill team & New GW Paints?
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Oct 28, 2024
New Kill Team is here and the starter set is... Cheap?! Can't quite believe it. Pat & Geoff also chat through the influencer reaction to their placing at Golden Demon and our take on if the negative commentary will affect the competition in the future. GW are also opening a new paint factory? Join our Patreon: https://patreon.com/thepaintingphase Help Support the channel with our affiliate links: UK: https://elementgames.co.uk/?d=10835 EUROPE: https://taschengelddieb.de/?affiliate=tpp UK & EU: https://affiliates.waylandgames.co.uk/idevaffiliate.php?id=1214 US: use code paintingphase to get 10% off at https://www.goblinshut.com/ H&S Airbrush: https://harder-airbrush.net/?sca_ref=5530415.aOjOVt339C Gaahleri airbrush: https://www.gaahleri.com/?ref=Thepaintingphase Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/thepaintingphase/ https://www.instagram.com/geoffsavory/ https://www.instagram.com/pileofshamepaints/ @fauxhammer Where we get our music:
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hello I'm Jeff and I'm Patrick and we'll for those sharp eyes amongst you my my
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hair's got a bit more color than usual it my accent's changed yeah you're looking great yeah um we're missing a
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man we are missing a man you'll probably be what time are we on now here in the UK we're on 20 to 12 in the morning so I
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think it's uh one two hours ahead in Greece where he is probably on a beach
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having a prob three pacle ERS in on a beach somewhere by now the git yeah never mind I was there in
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the I was there in July so I can't really win that he's doing it now but yeah so we've no Ross today
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sadly and talking of sadly talking of sadly yeah before uh we got on with the
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javes of the show um I watched two really disturbingly sad videos over the
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weekend oh dear yeah that um made me really I I felt worried and anxious and
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sad and it's been plaguing me for the last couple of days now and the two
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videos I'm going to talk about are one of them is how to play kill team and the
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other one is how to paint your kill team and it's poor Sophie who seems to look
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like she's been potentially held hostage at Games Workshop do you know what I
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understand making videos that look like the real world when you're a big company
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M aren't easy so if I come off the joke for a moment although it also does look
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like Sophie is is pretending she's got Stockholm syndrome and the hope that they'll go easy on
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her she think she's think if I go if if if a freid interested kill te maybe they
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won't make me learn necromant and then you know I know
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making corporate videos can't be easy and you and I know you have been you filmed corporate things and it's always
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people who are doing their best to seem casual and relaxed but good God Games Workshop
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they're awful they're absolutely awful the the content of what they're
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saying and what they're trying to get across yes I think is very good yes um
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but oh because I think the like this kilam box like it was um I think it was
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announced like we we film these like a week in advance they were annoyingly wasn't it in that we filmed on the
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Monday and then the Monday evening they announced and then it got announced like damn and we've said recently in in shows
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like what's the best way to get into Warhammer like what's the gateway drug
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um and this is I would say the perfect well it's funny cuz I've had to way to
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do it I've had to backpedal because I always thought that kill team wasn't because I find it quite rules intensive
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and I didn't think it was the best way to get into it but I had the realization
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a little while ago that me and besty Tim W doing a very good job of playing 40K
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in three hours of late especially because we do nothing but rabbit and drink tea and we weren't doing a very
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good job of it so we decided to scale down and have sort of kept we're now going with combat Patrol now and then
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boarding actions now and then but then the majority of the time now we're going to spend on kill team and haven't really
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started trying to swap up on the kill team rule book in the last couple of weeks since its release cuz it did go by
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Hive storm um I think kill team is more
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Gateway in than I than I than I think it was previously especially because I think the rules have got a little bit
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softer yeah so I think it's um I think it is more of a game for introducing
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Sophie yes and and especially this this box specifically um they very much made
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it as easy as possible to do it so one thing I thought in the Sophie's battle
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report video that they does uh they played with unpainted Miniatures yes um
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it's color plastic in the box so you don't have to paint them if you don't not a worry of trying to remember
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especially if you knew trying to remember what's yours and what's theirs yeah you've got cardboard terrain or MTF
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is it not is it yeah which is a real new one for Games Workshop yeah yeah so that's done for you already you've
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got your board so you get the box you go through some of the rules and then
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you're just ready to go going which I think it's light rules it's not it's not the big it's not the big rule book it's
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like a light a light way to sort of get you involved in and they played with three models each yeah one objective
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that was just like get there try and stop someone getting there yeah like
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super straightforward and that I think is I think the best thing like introduction into the 40K Universe games
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wise that they've done it's interesting that they've they seem to have taken the cues from board games that have
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Miniatures yeah over we're a miniature Manufacturing Company the Miniatures and
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the Miniatures are fantastic but they're they're the snap fit ones you don't even need Clippers to take them off like No
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And to be fair both um I don't own the Marine team from there when it used to
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have a name it was like justtin or something like that wasn't it it was like kill team justtin or something but
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I do own the uh death guard Heroes yeah when they were released after their
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ini and short of getting a recast of it or something you just can't find them and they are they are nice Miniatures to
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be fair and the bags full of character yeah you know everyone if it's your bag every single one of them comes with an
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egling you know they've got lots going for them they've got um pre- sculpted bases and things and you know they are
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good um they are probably and the funny thing is that what I was going to say I was going to say makes them better than
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than the the normal Space Marines is I was going to say oh well you know they're all um doing their own thing but
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they're not really they are all you could replace them with normal plague Marines and you would find you you've
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got you know there's already an icon begger you you bar you've got access to a number of different styles of
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Champions so you could put normal ones out in their place if you are a death guard player and you don't own the
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heroes yeah the question is why don't you but if you don't own the heroes you could rustle up something that's the
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same yeah and it goes exactly for the same for the Space Marines heavy intercessor with a bolt
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gun there's one in the Box The Eliminator is a slightly different pose out of the three eliminators that
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already exist in the box and then the other three eliminators that came out in that faux boss like uh start collecting
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box you know so all of what's in that box all of the Marines and on both sides
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are replaceable or or you can mimic them with other things but I still think that that they've releasing them this way is
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a good way to do it yeah especi if you're completest yes yeah definitely so
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I think those videos and again I say it all the time if I don't like something it's probably just not made for me those
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videos aren't made for the likes of us even though content wise I think I think
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they're yeah they're fine they're fine like those those videos Scream
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of uh a script that's been written by a committee yes um and they are a box
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ticken exercise yes absolutely so uh the one thing I picked up on uh someone did in the comments of the video as well in
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the battle report one they've got sort of like hey we're just playing at home
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we've got drinks and there was a a clear drink with some ice in it that had like
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a slice of lemon and lime or something like that someone in the comments was like oh amazing Jin and tonic whilst you
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play like that's great um and that's like they've gone yes we're real um
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but you know the drink like it moved a little bit so I'm like did they have fake like the contents of in the drink
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moved I'm like right did they have fake ice or did the ice melt and they kept having to replace it like I need to know
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um that's that was my main focus um so yeah they they were quite funny the interesting thing is um there was a
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sponsored video from games night um I think nine months ago where it was
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sponsored by Games Workshop and they were given I assume given the brief of a
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very similar thing take people that have never done Warhammer before they described it as loads of enthusiasm no
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idea um and they take them to a Warhammer shop and they go you know which um which faction do
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you like one of them just happens to like the tyranids and another one happens to like Space Marines N9 months
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ago you say would you believe that there was like a starter set that had both both of them in I'm astounded I honestly
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I was I was I was a gast um shook I was but it was it was done in a much more
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sort of real way like there's someone holding a camera it's really wobbly um
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and that in itself like that has a cinematic language of being a bit more amateur um
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and I say that not in a bad way um you know somebody could be filming it on their phone maybe it even was filmed on
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a phone like I doubt it because they're company with loads of cameras and all that sort of stuff but um like YouTubers
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do it like um max fos he does loads of videos he's a guy that's like I don't
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know my fruits and that went viral like ages ago um he he makes you know a crap
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ton of money off of YouTube but he films everything on a phone on purpose so it seems more real rather than if they if
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it had really really high production then it's a TV show not like a YouTube video and that kind of thing so they did
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that style of video and there's people outside the Warhammer shop and like there's beeped out swearing and stuff
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and it's like oh like real people say naughty words sometimes um um and and there's no
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mention of a of a um nephew's cousins boyfriend's dogs sisters uncle or or
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whatever it is um and that video did insanely well it has over half a million views yeah it's mental like it's it's
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more authentic it's more fun and and as a direct comparison between the two I
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think it's it's really really interesting like there's a space for both definitely I mean I'm in the camp
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of I think one's better than the other um but I I would expect nothing less
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from uh from Games Workshop that's sort of corporate um right should we should
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we rent like a a a house to film in no we'll make one um and should we should
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we actually get a real person uh in I don't even know Sophie's her real
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um all mind blown now to start thinking about that um but yes like but like do I care
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deep down no like the videos were were funny and and just sort of like a little bit like oh Games Workshop and and
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mainly it came up because I I like I say I tripped over it by accident when I was looking for something else and then as
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soon as I seen them and I thought oh God these these aren't great I immediately got in touch with you said you need to
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have a look at these we thought oh God they're bad enough that we should bring them up on this show right then so what else would you like to have about Nat
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are about well so we're talking about videos that released on YouTube it seemed that after we did our recording
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last week there was a plethora of videos released on YouTube all relating to
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Golden demon pleora is a good word it's a good word isn't it yeah it's not bad yeah there was yeah um every not
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everybody but a lot of well-known YouTubers who also you know know one end
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of a paintbrush from the other yes um decided to have a little bit of a chat about how they they thought it went some
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of their views I thought were quite similar and some of their views were
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more lighthearted and also very much knew that it it was that that golden
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demon wasn't going to go their way before they even started so it was a bit of a mix but there
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was comments that I think were made in all of those videos that were that they
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just kept reoccuring there's one that I'll get to in a second but yeah uh it
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was interesting because I don't really remember don't get me wrong there was a
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whole other thing going on at adepticon with regards golden demon which we may
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or may not have accidentally sort of stepped into yeah but um but there was not none of these
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videos about uh you know people were robbed or or this was or or the judging wasn't
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consistent or anything for adepticon but seemed to really the the hand grenade
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seems to got thrown in the room really heavily for for spiels Golden yeah do you think
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that well yeah the because like the you know use of AI and 3D printing and
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scanning and stuff with some of the winners at adepticon do you think that overshadowed the judges sort of stuff or
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was it always been there ah I think don't I think some stuff got sorted out straight away didn't you we
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we talked about this offer and it's also mentioned on is it mentioned on Trevor's video I
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can't now quite remember whose video it's mentioned on about a an entr an
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entry that was a Lord of the Rings entry where the Golem miniature had been scanned yes and then the face had been
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changed and and I don't wrong I've seen that miniature and it for for teeny tiny
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miniature that's probably barely much more than 15 millimeters tall it it was
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extremely well painted the scenery around it the whole and the the underlighting of the lava was really
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good but apparently that just got mixed didn't even get judg straight away
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because the fact that it was it was going to cause problems with um the new new line yeah new lines new Lin's
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license to Games Workshop so that was taken out of the equation straight away yeah I think um
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there was and I will say it now there is some level of bias
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here from when I was working at Spiel um Artis
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Opus um Booth yeah becomes a bit like the hub for the painters for painters
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and stuff yeah because they leave their um so like that that was mentioned in a few of the videos yeah the they leave
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their um the carry cases that have been used to bring the the pieces to to the cabinets then get left with with us um
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and then a lot of the guys are also very good friends with the co-owner of araus being Byron um and they'll be chatting
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with him yeah they will also kindly sit down and uh sit at the demo tables and
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we'll talk to uh customers and other people who are about to put golden they
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go put their entry in and so that which is really nice to the painters that they they're not being paid for it but they
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gave they give people well I say they're not getting paid they're not
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getting so um you know so it becomes quite a nice Hub area for that and one
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of the things from that means that I get to not speak to on any great levels
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because I'm generally very very busy but as you get to have Richard Gray there yeah and we've had Richard on the show
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me and Pat have been fans of his from as pretty much as soon as we started this channel we've talked about him from the
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very very beginning in fact he was probably one of the first highend painters with the YouTube channel that
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we mentioned just fell in love with Richard gwe yeah and we had him on the show and Richards is an absolutely
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lovely man he's the absolute polar opposite of me he's quite quiet easy
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going as opposed to all the time like I am and um and but Richard's nice person
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to be in the company of and he's liked amongst all all of the other
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painters rate Richard very highly yeah and no one ever ever goes oh well that
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was Richard's things all right he's very well thought of Yeah so basically what I'm getting at is when Richard's
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um warp spider Eldar character that he put in didn't do as well as it was
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expected when we'd seen it beforehand I I I I seen it in the flesh before it went in the cabinet
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and some of this is because it's Richard Gray yeah you the name carries weight is
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you look at it and you go that's going to do well yeah and then it went into the cabinet and although you got a
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finalist pin with it I believe it didn't go on to be treated as it was thought it
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was going to be and like I say ne nepotism and bias is all it can't
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be helped but all of the painters yeah rallied around that results with Richard and were were annoy I saw that a lot in
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the videos that I watched I think apart from uh Richard's video um which he was
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like golden demon Spiel dot dot dot I was there um he he sort of briefly
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talked about his own work and more sort of talks about the experience and what it was like and all that kind of thing
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um but everybody mentioned his yeah everybody else mentioned Richard more
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extensively than Richard mentioned himself which I think is a is very much goes hand in hand with the man cuz he is
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generally very mod Richards wasn't and you know he might not like me for saying this but as is
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just a natural human emotion wasn't very happy when it didn't but you know you
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know Christ I get annoyed if the right if you know if the wrong BR wrong brand the dog food is available in sabes and
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the one I want is there I could get more upset than Rich that like I haven't spent 300 hours
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in s Bree yeah looking for it so you know he was he was fed up and you know
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and it go you know and and and rightly so you know um cuz we made the remark they um
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we made we made the remark the next day afterwards I seen Richard and I said I said we were all really angry on your
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behalf in the in the in the 40-minute taxi Journey on the way home the aers gang I said we are really angry on your
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behalf man cuz we know we really felt you should have and uh and Richard replied he said that's quite funny cuz
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so was I in my taxi Journey on the way home but um yeah but Richard I think Richard's
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entry has been used as the sort of uh as the post to boy for poor decisions yes
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yeah because it's painted to an exceptionally high quality um but it didn't win and something I touched on a
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bit sort of last week so I read out the response from uh is it Christian claron who won silver well he won in two
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categories I think he won silver in two but uh in the the ultramarine in open and he and he was sort of like why why
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did I win um and I feel like cuz I I don't know what the golden demon judges
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are looking for and usually I don't like talking about stuff that I don't really know a great deal about because then
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people that do just be like you [ __ ] idiot um but it seems like even the
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painters that win don't know what necessarily what the judges are after and I think this was something that I
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you were hearing from a number of sources especially on the Sunday M was I don't
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know what the formula is anymore yes I don't understand and it's quite funny because we've had some high level
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painters on here James Taro or sorry tarot Moder yeah he doesn't have a first
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name he doesn't I think he went to Depot last week and his legal name is tar modelmaker I would be surprised um oh he
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had um he was at SMC but then customs and stuff messed up and none of his
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stock made it no you're joking I didn't know that devastated yeah yeah you pay that money for that booth
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and you go there and then and and then the company's just like LOL no no honestly yeah but um I'll have to speak
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to him about that I didn't know that that but um when we had tarot on we said
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to Taro because it became a bit of a stock question didn't it we said is there formula to winning a golden demon
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yeah and if I remember rightly I think Taro said they might be but I just paint what I want to paint yes and then we
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asked this of Neil Hollis yeah is the formula to it and he said yes there is and I think I pretty much know what it
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is yeah and um so I think um it can be a really
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interesting one because I think Richard might be feeling a little bit like at the moment where he's like I'm not
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really sure what it is I'm I'm meant to be doing now to be picking up you know and don't get me wrong you know back in
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March he picked up an open yeah I know it's not a demon it's a plaque it's a different it's a slightly different thing but so it's not like he's not
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winning but um there was things he was entering that looked like they should have been doing better than yeah so my
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sort of reaction to I I don't I don't really want to comment on like YouTubers that are making the
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videos and feel like they because Everyone's entitled to opinion and they've had their opinions good on them
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for deciding that they they were strong enough he wants to pull it to camera yeah and I know like say Zumo um apart
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from having the most exceptional beard in Warhammer um he's got a bit not very often I get beard fomo but I met him at
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at at at Spiel and I was like God I need to up me beard game a bit Yeah and me quiff game oh yeah yeah yeah she's got a
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4 foot head if he take it from top of quiff to bottom of ears I'd love to see him just completely
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shaved I wouldn't recognize him looks like hington on yeah um yeah
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so his because he put in two pieces and they've been commented on a lot and they were both lovely they were really I
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especially really liked his Dark Eldar yes yeah um so yeah he had some dark elar and then had um the like sigar like
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Squad the of um Nagle what plague Knights or whatever the called I'm not
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hugely up on a yes and I believe his argument was he didn't think that they were
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three levels lower than um what was also painted yes um and it's very like so
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essentially I am I'm going to pretend I am middle management in Games Workshop
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or you know slightly higher up something like that not Top Dog Games workshop's a legacy uh so golden demon is a legacy of
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Games Workshop it's it's been going for a long long time but all the publicity like you big
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YouTubers which are on your scheme to get free models and and that kind of
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thing um like generally the publicity that's come out of it is a bit
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negative yeah so I'm thinking right well I we're we're making computer games
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we've got animations that are going to be on Amazon in December we're potentially having a big new series like
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Warhammer is like it's [ __ ] huge I think it's quite hard to to grasp just
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how big it has become um and they're sort of going after that sort of market
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now I'll be like speaking negatively with my manager facad on yeah I'm like
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right there's a few really really really passionate incredibly good painters that will literally travel the world to enter
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their Miniatures into these competitions yeah is this competition like just for them like and then they moan about it
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when they don't win yeah shall let's just sack it off that's the that's the worry um I will go and say that the most
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legitimate argument that the the big the big painting YouTubers made was is I
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think I agree with the painters ago I think golden demon needs to go back to what it used to be which is it gets
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judged by the heavy metal team or members of the heav metal team I think I'd rather if I was of that scale of
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painting which God knows I'm not but if I was a d scalea Payton I think I'd rather be judged by people who I sort of
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considered my peers so I've put my corporate face on again all right
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okay I'm pretending I'm someone else so people don't come at me um and it's not necessarily what I think so myself but
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because I I love gondom I think it's fantastic um and I'm so inspired looking
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all the Miniatures and all that sort of stuff so I think as a business it you
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know they they want to do it like they don't have to do it no people hold it in such high regard because they love
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Warhammer it's been going for a really long time and you win a bloody sword um and and it's great
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so just kind of thinking right so it's not a painting competition it's a Games
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Workshop painting competition so if somebody paints an orc that's blue you're just not going to win no so I
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think you know it should be judged I don't know if it is or not again not a clue it should maybe be
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judged because it's Games Workshop by a selection of people you should always have an heav metal painter on there that
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could go well they've done this this and this that's better than what they've
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done yeah um but then also someone from
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the business side goes oh well you know like like uh when Rich did his vampires
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he painted the skin green yeah he did it he did it yeah and they were like
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Warhammer vampire skin is is never been green yeah um it's like if you painted do and yeah if you painted dos in human
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flesh yeah yeah so and if if that's like the role that Andy has then because it's Games
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Workshop and they want to promote their models in the way that they sort of have like don't have to agree with it but
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like I think that's having someone that isn't an heav metal painter judge a Games Workshop painting competition is
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fine as long as they're not like the only person doing it which
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I can't imagine they are so they had Roman Roman llat I don't know well
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pronounced his name correctly which I was pleased that they brought in guest judge yeah so guest judge I love his work I think it's fantastic he's entered
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a ton of demons before as well and all that kind of thing um so like I can't
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see this sort of format going on forever I feel like something's got to
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well you know the really sad thing is is when it starts to have years that have a bit of a wobble in them yeah you
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start to get this thing where you can't help or and if you can help you're a better man than me I can't help start to
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go oh do you think that's because of that and is that because of that and then you start like find and bluming
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conspiracy theories within conspiracy theories it's like and you go like you know zumo's uh Team of plague Knights or
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whatever going call them I can't remember the name of them do apologize um some of me goes is that a bit of
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going we had a load of them last year you see them quite regularly don't
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you and and even still one young one picked up the gold and young Bloods at
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this you know and is it a b going you know their models have been around they're not new they've been around a
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little while now and you know they're much loved the one on a horse is amazing M they they're really well thought of
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and but it is getting a little bit going to the go don't have them winning again because when we put them out it looks
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like we make nothing else but for AOS other than that yeah and it gets a little bit like that you know and it go
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I don't know you can go oh well you know you be but you know Space Marines win something every year and you go yeah but
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you know Space Marines are a flagship elements of the thing you know yeah and there's a lot of different chapters of
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Space Marines to pick from and so on but um yeah
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so yeah I just do want some of me does if my ala brains go to the dark side of
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how judging goes is going don't pick more of them Blum and Nagle yes you know
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yeah yeah you know and don't get me wrong I don't think don't get me wrong I wouldn't like to think the Games Workshop are so so biased that they go
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only letting you things win and I know they don't think like that because third place in 40K vehicle was a land speeder
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is is pretty much if there's any of them left on the Shelf now I'd be quite surprised they they had a raven Wing
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land raid land speed a win yeah and you go and that's been superseded with the
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with the with um brother tas's version and um you know and you know and you
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think and that's that's on its right that's you know that's on it that's in its death throws of existence and they
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still let that pick up a third so this thing of going only new models or only things that are you know off you know
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I some of me believes that that there's a little bit of that or not that only new things but things going oh God
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that's been picking up every year for yeah a good two years now let me something a bit else crack of the whip
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do I think there is sort of that maybe but I also like to think that some of it doesn't exist because that land speed
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are picked up you know so cuz yeah I wonder what's going to happen in a way
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with demon because like the internet with it getting more popular um and
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controversies that have happened all that sort of people are generally quite on it um and workshop are never going to
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be able to make everybody happy no and they shouldn't even try well I think I
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think Games Workshop I think if I think of this year especially with some of the releases I think Games Workshop have
30:48
very much looked like from a standpoint that they are only making themselves happy yes you know yeah because they've
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done things that you know and with it's all old news The Inquisitor coach old news s guards is old old news but they
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they have released things where you go surely you must have known that when you took the Wings off that or did the wrong
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trousers in quiz that you're going to end up with something people aren't going to like and they did it anyway so
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they are ultimately I think they are on a lot of levels increasingly yeah getting to the point where they are more
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pleasing themselves yes do you think that if demon so like Zumi so again in
31:29
his video I bringing up multiple times because he sort of put like numerical
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figures on it so he said three levels worse there's no way my ad minat is three level worse do you think if they
31:39
did so they have they have their sort of category sort of system which is a bit confusing yes yeah and I know it's like
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notable and commended and finalist pins I feel like the orders kind of Chang
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around a little bit um so again um it's fine do you think
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people would um like it better or worse if they kept
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that but then if they also introduced hey you painted it to this
32:09
standard see what you mean you mean like um with fan where they have joury man and master yeah so or something along
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those lines you know so if they you know their painting videos do battle ready parade ready um you know but then
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imagine oh K imagine if somebody put in uh a p and they were like they only said it was Battle ready that's awful so
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they'd have to change their names um so maybe they could have you know gold standard silver and bronze let's say
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something along those lines I don't know I've got to be honest I do think it as much as it pains me to say it I do
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think that would especially with the way Games Workshop are nowadays um I do think if the
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wion that's not the right choice of words people voicing their concerns let's go with that if people continue to
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voice their concerns on a strong enough platform and one of the one of the
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YouTube channels in question there has raised some concerns is a very big platform I do wonder whether further
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down the line Games Workshop are going to look if you're just going to complain about it will just not bother yeah some of me feels like that I tell you what I
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think if Games Workshop didn't have if Games Workshop didn't have
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golden demon at spiel in the future I don't know whether were games where would even bother turnning
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up to spiel because when you look at the size of Spiel yeah and how heavily board game
33:39
and card game and then things are a peripheral to them things exist at Spiel
33:45
I wonder whether Games Workshop would even bother like if you take into consideration Birmingham games Expo this
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year they didn't turn up yeah and I think you know and and of all the weird
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connections I have I I cut the hair of a man who works for the company that got
34:05
all them glass cabinets transported out to spiel oh Right Moves all of this moves all of the game and stock and
34:11
stuff around for that and nothing was a funny place it and he um and he was like
34:17
you know he said oh that was a big operation getting all of that stuff I just wonder whether they just wouldn't
34:23
whether they just wouldn't bother yeah might just cuz Spiel is so heavy on the board game yeah you know we had the war
34:30
Gamers if you will we had a hall but even our Hall still had board games in it and card games in it and it's not
34:37
like it was like the war Gamers Hall versus the other three four however many other Halls that were doing board games
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and card games yeah we still didn't even have all of that hole to ourselves where we are in the grand schemes of like War
34:50
gameing small fry isn't it in the grand schemes of something that involves rolling a dice I think it's very easy
34:56
when we think about all Encompass and our hobby is as War Gamers it's very easy to forget we are tiny yeah you know
35:04
we are even tiny compared to things like Dungeons and Dragons and so on like what a weird episode of of our show we're
35:11
saying how massive and big Warhammer is but also how tiny war is I know it's
35:16
funny isn't it it is funny but it's like both are true but both are true at the same time aren't yeah yeah yeah cuz
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somebody somebody that like said going to Gen Con you know like like card trading Gam uh like the L Conor and the
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Star Wars one you did and I'm just like wow like that's that's what everyone
35:36
generally cares about like wargaming and painting like super Niche part of a niche of of another Niche you know it's
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it's yeah it's crazy so yeah I worry um with games watch sh the company that it
35:50
is the stage it's currently at with the audience that it wants to attract um and
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worry for Golden demon yeah and because golden
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demon it's golden Demon's the biggest because golden Workshop do it yeah
36:08
golden demon wouldn't get you if you were if you were dipping if you were a Sophie yeah we go back to poor old
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Sophie hope you're okay Sophie um if we went back to to Sophie for a second if
36:23
you'd never got inv if you were just having the mest of iot of a thought
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about getting into Warhammer yeah walking around them glass cabinets cabinets wouldn't encourage you to do it
36:34
no you go is that what I meant to be doing am I meant to be doing that you know it's yeah yeah yeah you be like oh can I that that orc there can I buy that
36:42
you be like no actually it's like a really old metal model that's not actually made anymore and then he's gone in and sculpted loads of stuff on
36:48
himself see that little monster there that's the upside Town chin of a different monster you know what I mean
36:53
yeah so I I do worry that you know it's great that there it only exists golden
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demon exists for us it doesn't exist for the company on a lot of levels I don't
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think no it must cause them as much heartache and financial annoyance to put
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it on as it as as as the money it makes yeah yeah like yeah my main concern is
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that with the feedback that they publicly receive and from Big channels and it gets loads of views because
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people click on controversy um the workshop would go
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fine we're going to take away your play thing I think I think that's a something that could happen it would be a massive
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shame and I don't want it to happen like you go into the um the museum at
37:43
Warhammer world and there's the board it's like Wimbledon where they chisel in
37:48
like the this person won it this year yeah um and they've got all those names
37:54
for the past like 20 odd years um and it's so much history and Heritage and it's great so it would be a really
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really crying shame if it did disappear but yeah I think so I I was I would really lament yeah the loss of uh golden
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demon but I also wouldn't be sitting on my bed in shock if it was announced that
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they stopped it yeah because I do they had a break like maybe like maybe they
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try and tweak it I don't know I think what I will I think what I will say if I go the other way of talking about the longevity of golden demon uh at least on
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this side of the world I've got to be honest I think if
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um it's still here next year I've got to be honest I think they'll just put it back on a Spiel again yeah I don't think
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it's it's gonna go in the UK again next year and I think the thing is is I don't
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get me wrong I don't say this in a glib way because flying anywhere in the world is
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not the cheapest thing in the world to do no but it's not amazing cuz you've got to still add Hotel time into it it's
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not amazingly expensive or amazingly far to get your golden demon entry from
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wherever you live in the UK to Germany to Germany how long was the flight oh it's hour and a bit hour and a bit it's
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really short yeah and then I tell you how short it is I got on me plane I was a bit tired i' had one of them night
39:16
sleep you know where you know you've got to be up early for something and then you can't quite sleep so I squeezed a haircut in before I went on the got on
39:22
the plane to go to the to uh well for I got in Edge car to take me to Birmingham Airport and I got on the plane and you
39:29
know I I sat down you you have to put your she belt on and took off and it was a bit busy and I thought I really need a Wei and I thought I'll just wait until
39:37
you know until until we're sort of like you know up in air a bit more and so I'm I've got my seat belt on and then the I
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heard the Ping for the seat belt noise yeah I oh good I can go now that way I realized I'd been asleep and then
39:51
realized it was the Ping to put your seat belt back on and you were Landing yeah and then and then had to go all the
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way through security and I was like cross me legs for around yeah I'm 52 I'm
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not great to holding me BL of these days literally was likeing Dam of me
40:09
completely slept through me opportunity to have a be yeah yeah the flight's really short yeah you know so um and and
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it goes you know you know there's people you can fly out of Manchester to do stuff you can fly out of London you can fly out of Bingham as we did and and
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potentially because it is like I I've never entered a golden demon at some stage in my life I think
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it'd be fun to do so um just just for shits and giggles and then and then make
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a video about uh the journey my experiences afterwards uh all of which I would make sure would be positive um
40:43
yeah was it toxic positivity apparently it's the thing there we go um and
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um but I I I don't think I would fly to a different country to do so I I think
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it stops would stop a lot of people entering because say if it was in Nottingham the amount of people go oh
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yeah it's three hours at the road or oh it's just yeah oh it's a warmer world yeah I'll I'll do that
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but when I had my cynical face on earlier if you're looking to win and to enter there's there's like a what
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handful of people that you know your Neils your Richards your nrm
41:20
paints your Andy uh your Andy wles yes exactly and they they travel all over
41:25
the world so like if they were like oh it's in Australia yeah I bet they'd still go yeah I think most of them would
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and then and then I bet they'd go oh the amount of people that are not going to go yeah I'm I'm going to have a better
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chance of a medal um and then I bet someone would be like cool I can't afford the flight so I'm just going to
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cycle I know it's in two it's in two years but I'll see you there I'll start now I'm going to paint on the way
41:51
because the problem being is is you know we now know that um sadly that Warhammer world isn't a place
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to have it because they tried it straight after yeah covid and people couldn't get tickets yes people buying
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tickets to go and look at other people's golden demons which meant they were taking up tickets of people who were
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trying to enter golden demons yeah yeah you know there was um and I think at the time in a very old podcast that we did
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um before that was on I think cuz it had always been separate and then it went to
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solo ticket and I was like oh I think it should be separate uh and at the time was question why and I was like well cuz
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I'd feel really bad if I stopped someone entering a model um just so I could look
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at them it would be nice if I could go and look at them guilt-free yeah lovely chap who's on the faith and Damnation uh
42:42
Facebook group Franchesco yeah he um he'd been painting up some some really lovely black templers I mentioned this
42:48
on the last show yeah he's working on them and then found out that he could get a ticket yeah and he goes so I can't
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ever see it coming back to Warhammer world no uh I can't ever see it going back to being
42:59
their mini little ones that they used to do that no rich I wasn't even really aware of Rich gray mentioned used to be
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able to do like Min demons mini demons just for like vehicles and mini demons this and you know which are looked on
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relatively poorly yes and and and by by people that have won full proper demons um full siiz
43:20
demons yeah cuz there have been some in Australia yeah um and and then someone that won at Essence spiel
43:27
might go how many people entered that one in Australia six like or something or whatever so um yeah it's a super
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interesting one and there's part of Australia that have got a smaller population than the people who the
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amount of people who T up at Spiel yeah oh dear me so so yeah yeah super
43:50
super interesting do we think if we had to round her off with an opinion do you think golden days
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unnumbered in in its current iteration
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maybe I think it's um yeah if I'm super
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so you go I think it's a bit of a fragile vs for me yes yes it's still there it's still sitting on the table
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but I think there only so many times you can kick that table yes yeah yeah yeah I I think again there's that manager at
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Workshop that's gone this cost us loads of money it's for a very small percentage
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of people for the hobby we want it to promote like the top top end of what you can do with this
44:38
like you know a kid see it and go oh my God I had no idea you could do that
44:44
that's amazing and spend loads of money on paints um and that kind of thing but
44:49
if it is overly controversial or people are sort of complaining how it's run
44:55
with the judges and there was a bit bit of I think it was uh in probably the most tongue and- cheek one of the videos
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was squid Mar one and I think they they knew like as they were sort of saying a
45:08
games worksh like very much to quote Ms paint's games workot kick my dog yeah um
45:13
sort of thing uh which which is hilarious so they were like a was rubbish and this and and the other um as
45:19
they're showing a 360 of a model that you can see the brush Strokes in and and stuff and stuff like that so like
45:24
they're fully aware of of of what was going on you know I think they got some notables and finalist pins and and that
45:30
kind of this didn't do they didn't do awfully no no not at all um but
45:36
something they said was like the judging and the way it's done that everybody's
45:41
kind of loitering around because little stickers yeah go on stuff and then things start to move in the cabinets I
45:48
know and I don't massively like that and and this was something that that that they saidy yes and and ideally you'd
45:57
wanted know on the Sunday maybe but you kind of end up knowing beforehand that you cuz Rich put his post up on the
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Saturday yeah saying I don't think I've done very well it hasn't got like a notable or anything like that so I did
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sh it did shift there but still um but yeah that was
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done quite early on in in the process so um CU is cu it takes a while to judge
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and it takes a while to take all the pictures easy me wrong I really I really like I say you know I
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wouldn't I wouldn't like it to be my job yeah and and CU I I think like here I am
46:36
saying you know in its current state like I don't I don't enter it um like
46:42
what does it matter what I think like who gives a [ __ ] about my opinion um but like from a from a business
46:49
perspective I can imagine that it would have to change how it would change I've got no idea see the thing you've got to
46:55
wonder is if you think about as you know everything's about selling yeah I talked about this earlier on if you've got a
47:02
sell you to make you know keep the lights on off or whatever what you want to look at it CEOs in new Aster Martins
47:08
whatever it might be I think that's it is it yeah you've got it you've got it be go let's say let's say for a sample
47:13
we take the orc War Boss whatever his name is on
47:18
the big Sharky Squig oh yeah yeah yeah yeah Moz Rock scrag bad well done if you take him that one 40K single miniature
47:27
yeah and rightly so it was Bloody lovely yeah but the question is if we boil it
47:33
down to the zeros and the ones how how much has that win meant that people have
47:40
now gone out and bought that model off the back of yeah yeah like off the top
47:46
well let it i' I'd probably go probably not very much yeah and people going wow yeah because you probably is if you all
47:53
been if you are looking at Golden demon with interest you probably are in the
47:59
hobby deep enough to already know that that model exists yeah it's not suddenly become aware of because it's one uh it's
48:06
one golden demon you already know it exists you've already probably got to be an orc player yeah or or or at least
48:12
keen on orc yeah and then you see that uh you see that when it was released
48:17
there was being loads of hype when the Beast snaggers came out and so on and so forth so you are aware of it already but
48:23
the likelihood that You' seen it painted as brilliantly as it was and then go do you know what that's the
48:29
miniature for me it can't be high no it can't be high at all so then if you do start thinking like that you go what
48:36
what is golden demon doing it it it is
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essentially an increasingly rare thing for games work but it but it is a charitable thing for the fans yeah and
48:49
and like I say if if we're going to moan about it enough or it's treated with
48:54
enough to stain I think it would kill Games Workshop to get rid of it no and if you you know and the thing is it's
49:00
not like if they got rid of it that would mean you never got to put your miniature in a competition before I it's
49:06
been a very much a thing I haven't known that much about in the past but from getting to know more of the painters and
49:11
chat to more of the painters Fen you've you've got Fen down in suffk uh in Bristol we've just had the wonderful
49:17
boys over Cult of paint have just started their own one being n there is one has just literally finished
49:23
yesterday over in the Netherlands there is another one around the corner in Belgium if I remember rightly which has got a long uh Belgian name I can't
49:30
remember the name of of what it is but there's that if you are interested enough in putting brush to miniature to
49:37
then get people to judge it and hopefully win something it's not like you own golden demon is the only thing
49:43
that you need no yeah it will mean that you potentially you've got your miniature on a on a table and next door
49:48
is a Blum and dire armor of two American guys fixing a Sherman tank in the middle of the second world war yeah so it becomes quite a different thing but but
49:55
if you're painting strong enough yeah it'll still you know you know we know the we know guys that enter all of these
50:02
comp competitions with Games Workshop pieces and they're still picking up yeah yeah you know so Alex who um I talked
50:10
about previous on on the last show uh Alex painy things he had a couple of pieces that I really liked one of them
50:15
being a squat necromunda Scout H sniper yeah picked up a silver in the
50:20
Netherlands oh I was so I congratulate him because I was I've always I like that paint job he did from the first
50:27
time I've seen it and he picked up a silver there so you know it's not like you go oh if a golden demon goes what
50:33
what will happen to my yeah GW Payton there's still places to go and do it it would absolutely be a shame yeah um but
50:40
it wouldn't be the end of competitive no no and I reckon golden demon would continue on in some sort of
50:46
fan curated sort of thing yeah I think so um where they might keep the same
50:51
format and and all that sort of stuff yeah yeah yeah and and I hope that we haven't added talking about the like I'm
50:58
like o negativity about um golden demon it might get stopped and then here we
51:04
are curating the negative things that we've seen and talking about it um adding to that pile of negativity
51:10
perhaps but um I I haven't all the videos that I've seen
51:15
are people that have invested so much time into their work like I've saw somebody um I think they did a a
51:22
farsight model I haven't seen it there was like a somebody screenshoted
51:28
yeah I see um and and I think it was sort of like go I wasted like 700
51:34
hours painting this but actually like I can kind of see like why why would
51:40
farite with different colored armor win as we've talked about in a Games Workshop competition like in a painting
51:45
competition that's not affiliated with Workshop I'm sure it would be probably do really really well um but yeah it
51:53
must be really hard like all these videos come out um you know generally a couple of weeks after demon so they've
52:00
got home they thought about it they made a video they've edited it and they put it online they're still quite close yeah
52:07
to it so like it it must be difficult and if you genuinely think that your
52:13
piece was better than someone else's that won like it's got to be a hard pill
52:19
to swallow to to to force down and Zito said you know was this piece three times
52:25
and was it yeah as good as you know three times lower than this but Richard Gray looked at it a different way didn't
52:31
he he said don't let other people's results put you off entering because
52:37
you're thinking my thing isn't as good as that thing and that thing didn't win either yes cuz he said it's the hook it
52:45
might be the story it might be what you've got going on because at the end of the day it's all a group of people's
52:52
opinions yeah and what catches your eye yeah do you know what I mean there some
52:58
amazing pieces that didn't place um and you think oh but that's so cool that
53:04
might just might appeal to me more than like I like the 40K vehicle or Monster
53:11
category I wasn't a huge fan of because the models I was like not the paint jobs
53:18
great the models I can't get past that big like that night Lord demon engine
53:24
thing um I'm just sort of like don't really like the model like I I'd be a
53:29
terrible judge yeah and that was and that was a really um that was a really great piece you know I I hung around
53:36
with um over a couple of nights I hung around with Jamie who had the the demon the the night Lord demon engine yeah and
53:45
um and you know and I went and looked at it and it the painting on it was ex extremely good but you are right
53:52
it's you you're always you know you know you're you you could paint a
53:59
car in the nicest color that you like but if you don't like the car you're always just looking straight through the
54:05
color aren't you and I think you know that there's always going to be a little bit of that and that and that's just going to be unavoidable I had that with
54:11
um second place in the age of Sigmar uh with the the big uh hunt hunting ogre
54:18
with the antlers and everything strapped him this it was painted beautifully but I just didn't really like the all the textures on the skin and the dinosaur
54:25
and little I was like I don't like the miniature and I think you know so you know I hope
54:32
gold I hope that you know in five years time golden demon is still here it's
54:39
still blowing us away yeah and I think is it will it ever be free of people
54:44
being upset about how it was judged no because that's just yeah people being
54:50
people and yes yeah absolutely you know how many men how many men on Saturday evening at the end when the final
54:57
whistle blew for the last game of football when thought that their team was robbed yeah where the actual
55:02
statistics they weren't robbed because they got beat 3-0 yes the ref referee
55:07
yeah you know so it's you can apply it to anything so but um anything competitive people are going to push
55:14
boundaries yeah um and moan about results I think the thing I will say just talk about already but I think if I
55:20
had to pull a moan in and agree with some of the problems that the the big
55:27
channels had who who ENT the I agree I'd like to see more every metal judges yeah for me but
55:35
then the worry is is you don't want to have every metal judges who are only judging things to look as good as they should be from the box and then you end
55:41
up you're going made it even more corporate by accident yes so youve got to be careful that but you know these
55:47
every metal guys paint their own things in their own time they go off an end Fen and they go off from M to M because
55:53
because other than you know open um golden de isn't really there for them so they go and enter all these other things
55:59
as well so you know they know what it's like to compete as well yeah you know so yeah yeah yeah yeah so long live golden
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demon yes hopefully just treated kindly yes and he's nurturing it
56:13
does and you know what I do think must be sad as when you know it's just off topic but talk about Golden demon but
56:19
off topic must be sad as you know when you put you've slaved away and you put your miniature in yeah and then you
56:26
cuz I I'll give an example of this there was an extraordinarily nice horor heresy
56:32
H horor heresy an extremely nice in the Horus har C Horus heresy C category
56:37
there was a Horus pre Ascension yes in white armor yes oh you T about this was
56:43
lovely yeah and you think how much your soul must have dropped when then Neils
56:48
came you turn around you look back at NE day he must be like [ __ ] oh you know
56:54
that's a bit I think that would crush me most you know yeah you know it's like when people go you know they go you know
57:00
and and and and Alex did it with that that squat sniper used to put it in I
57:06
was really happy and now I can't remember the artist name but the guy who entered the um palentine enforc the half
57:13
Open Door yeah they went and then I seen that so and so because it seemed like NE
57:18
necer Munda was a really hard for category this year beautiful some everybody who was gone in for necar
57:24
raund really put heart and soul into it there was some really great stuff in it cuz you know you generally know that 40K
57:32
in a single miniature are going to be really tough and then the like dire
57:38
armor and Jewel I think always has incredible pieces um like he's got think oh maybe that one
57:46
has less competition and this one like you're playing that game um and then it seemed like lots of
57:54
people going into necr even games work said it I think in the in the um the the
58:00
ceremony at the end I think like cuz I watched Rich's video and and they were like oh it seems like everyone thought
58:05
that necromunda would be an easy category this year and everybody put really good stuff into it and the problem being I think that I think um if
58:13
we do slightly go back on that go back to the moan of is 40k milit is getting a
58:18
bit overly simplified at the moment the complete opposite is going on at necr
58:24
where the mines are getting nice more bizarre yeah really are screaming out
58:30
for amazingly good paint jobs yeah I think now that they've introduced The Ash wastes um you've then expanded the
58:37
you now expanded into Vehicles it's increased the the scope of the things that you can enter you know because if
58:43
you'd never done the ashw you would have never ended up with the ases uh yeah the
58:49
ashes character in charge of the the the the cats wouldn't have been would have been that they' been no there would have
58:55
been speeder yeah so you know the expansion within within necron happened
59:01
in the last two or three years and just the really bizarre Miniatures that are
59:08
getting produced for it necr I think is going to unless game
59:14
unless and there fingers crossed we now looks like Space Wolves are on the way unless Space Wolves really take a real
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turn for the real going over the top on Space Marines again yeah uh I wouldn't be surprised keep seeing necromunda
59:27
being a bit of a hard for category and they you know especially I'm already looking at necromunda and thinking next
59:33
year there's going to be three of them new squat bike storming across the desert yeah we'll go in there yeah you
59:39
know but uh yeah it's nice to see categories like necromunda are suddenly start to become because and you know
59:45
what you B honestly was a a hairs breath between gold silver and bronze for me in
59:51
in necromunda they were the three of them were really really good yeah and it was showed how good it was because when
59:56
I seen Alex as a sniper I was convinced I was going to place yeah because I know necr is normally a bit of a middle of
1:00:03
the roads category and I seen that I thought that's going to do well yeah and then it didn't it didn't pick up a demon
1:00:11
and and as you know as lovely as Alex is it compared to it wasn't as good as the
1:00:17
top three I love that piece but it wasn't as good as the top three and Alex would say that if he was here the the
1:00:23
the quality was just yeah I don't being a demon judge no like you have so many
1:00:29
pieces that are painted to such an incredibly high quality and there is that subjective element to it as well
1:00:34
like you damn if you do and damn if you don't I guess it's like choosing like a political party or something like that
1:00:40
your favorite child yes yeah but you have to pick the favorite Child yeah absolutely right uh
1:00:46
because whatever party they're running for yes yes um yeah and then uh yeah cuz
1:00:51
if you don't pick your favorite child then your cat gets killed that's right yes and Sophie knows what that's
1:00:57
like poor Sophie yeah so I want to know Sophie's okay yeah so then the other
1:01:03
thing was was um we've got a yeah new Games Workshop Factory's been announced
1:01:08
yeah so so somebody sent me an article uh from the uh the hard-hitting
1:01:14
journalists from Nottingham sh live it's great do you know I you know
1:01:22
that's it's finger on the pulse it's where I get all my information for the world from not live it's hilarious I
1:01:27
tell you what the last article that um was like Hey games work shop expansion that was from here yeah because they
1:01:34
someone has a friend in in the council offices most likely yeah um or a friend that Workshop as well one of the like
1:01:41
I'm I'm sure like Christ like what like everything being in Nottingham from gay
1:01:46
Workshop must bring in so much money to the council yeah like they will grant them a lot of uh CU oh what
1:01:54
was there there was a I think it was a bike website like an outdoor website like not go Outdoors but
1:02:01
um something else that was really really big and they moved to a completely different part of the country because
1:02:08
that Council was was like hey we can offer you like really good rates and
1:02:13
we'll treat you right and they're like sweet and which is like films isn't a lot of movies you know a lot of movies
1:02:19
get loads of them are made in the UK because they offer really tax write offs and all that sort of stuff and it keeps
1:02:26
you have really really highly trained crews in the UK that are used to making all this stuff and it keeps that all
1:02:32
churning and it brings in a crap load of money even though with the incentives being taken off and all that sort of
1:02:38
stuff well they did it didn't they with them didn't as soon as series one of Fallout had done really well on Amazon
1:02:45
didn't like the the the the California yeah californ the state of California
1:02:51
automatically offers a big tax break for them to come back and do season and then F within days then season 2 was
1:02:59
announced it was like yeah so it does work yes absolutely um yeah was it all
1:03:05
of like loads of the Marvel films were all filled in Georgia yeah that's right they a lot of stuff gets filled in
1:03:10
Georgia you see the the Georgia Peach will be at the end of a lot of movies and TV shows um I rewatched the first
1:03:17
season of Reacher and that's conveniently set in
1:03:22
Georgia um season 2 was set somewhere else but looked like Georgia yeah yeah yeah yeah and be like Oh and then I
1:03:28
watch gangs of London and that's that's filmed in Georgia s l though um um yeah
1:03:35
so it's great that loads of stuff is coming to the UK but yeah I can imagine um notingham sure Council uh whether it
1:03:43
be at the city council or whatever will be pretty Keen so there's some development new so as far my very vague
1:03:51
understanding of all the development at the games vir show Factory is like obviously since Co massive boom yeah
1:03:58
they made a second Factory that was immediately at capacity straightforward like yeah just straight yeah uh and they
1:04:05
were like right we need some more they've had a lot of stock issues um you know pre-orders and all that sort of
1:04:11
stuff people not been able to buy the product quite a lot of that was like last year um they not that not that long
1:04:17
in the past that they they built new warehouses up at East Midland airport or near East Midland airport so there's
1:04:23
there's uh East Midland Parkway I think it's called there's a massive thing that's essentially attached to East
1:04:29
mland Airport um that was a distribution center I believe so you'd have the stuff
1:04:37
there's like I see memes about it there's the Warhammer Lorry I think they have other people that do it but
1:04:42
essentially there's one that's branded up that Games Workshop own and it has Warhammer on it and people take the meme
1:04:48
of like people are taking pictures of it on the m6 um and there's that scene from
1:04:54
the first fast in the Furious film where Paul Walker jumps onto the truck to like save Vince's life um but they're like oh
1:05:01
that's the one lry that I do actually want to break into um so they they they superimposed the Warhammer truck into
1:05:08
fasta Furious um so that happens and there was the distribution issues because they got a load of robots and
1:05:15
they weren't as good as humans like the new Dante got released instead of the
1:05:20
old one and somebody had the foresight to build it and paint it before said
1:05:25
that it got leaked they which was um which was pretty
1:05:31
hilarious another rumor that came out of it was they'd already built Factory 3
1:05:38
but then when they turned it on because they're very close to the hospital yeah um apparently they share the same power
1:05:45
so when they turned it on the hospital was like oh we don't have enough power five people instantly died emergency
1:05:52
mode um and and and again this is all completely unti un substantiated rumors
1:05:58
um that uh the council went keep people alive or make
1:06:05
toys um so so they went they went ahead them Space Marines yes um so now they
1:06:11
have three factories yeah all our grandparents are dead um
1:06:18
but at least the Dark Angels got out that's the main thing yeah yeah that's it you'll be like you know there was ample copies of the lion so it was fine
1:06:26
um the people don't need cancer treatment they go to City Hospital anyway yeah they don't need Queen's Medical Center yeah you don't need to
1:06:32
teach those students it's fine it be all right yes CLE books more exactly um and
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uh yes so there was plans released on the heart hting journalist website not live I think you know six months ago
1:06:46
that they were going to build another Factory on the Lenton site and then now we have more news so expanding again and
1:06:54
this talks about paint manufacturer which is quite interesting because we've always been quite acceptant of the fact
1:07:02
that the painter is done Manchester yeah so well I think it
1:07:08
neither be confirmed or denied that um a company that may or may not have letters
1:07:14
H G and M in it oh yeah um I've mixed them around so you don't know um HMG um
1:07:22
manufacture the paint and they just bottle it yeah at at at the plan so I
1:07:27
mean this is quite ambiguous like people that I guess you guys said
1:07:32
know the industry like we do like we know anything um right in that pulse for well know yeah yeah yeah yeah so it says
1:07:39
yeah Games Workshop was real fresh plans uh for a new notum Factory as part of its major city expansion um blah blah
1:07:45
blah blah blah Lenton business complex uh record-breaking 494 million pounds in
1:07:52
Revenue uh and they're spending 9 million quid on a new Factory it's Lenton headquarters um and it's
1:08:01
uh talks specifically talks about paint manufacturer I don't
1:08:07
think it will be making their own paint I I don't
1:08:14
think so either I know valra now there a man with the finger on the PSE he does
1:08:19
have well oh he he knows lots of people that fingers yeah absolutely he he seems to be the assumption that there is a new
1:08:28
paint brand coming which is going to be aimed more at uh experienced painters it
1:08:34
may even well be D in a Dro a
1:08:40
bottle best get the Inquisition and even mentioning that but um but that's what
1:08:45
he's heard and you know so I am utterly parro fashion and good old bck here when to say that but
1:08:52
um I don't think that requires a fact Factory surely HMG you are you know big
1:08:59
enough old enough and ugly enough to be able to deal with a new string of paint you know could just cope with that I
1:09:06
can't see how it would be paint surely it might be but it's not where I
1:09:12
think Games Workshop is struggling no when you talk about oh you know I can't go into when I you know when I went into
1:09:18
Games Workshop they never had XY and Z on the Shelf XY and Zed never normally
1:09:24
translates into you know calaban Green on red cuz if if there was a new paint
1:09:30
range like would they just would they just have the same colors well yeah I
1:09:36
and then and then then be like a different formula yeah that's what you would assume because you're you're not going to start making sounds like a
1:09:41
weird thing to me you're not going to start making new colors for more experienced painters are you because then you know you're going like here's
1:09:48
miston red expert Edition yeah and you be like well what what was and then you're saying that the other versions
1:09:54
aren't very good well bearing in mind if you use my fist on as a as an example
1:09:59
for a minute it already exists in standard D in air yes and they go know what and now we have golden demon
1:10:06
Edition yeah you know like Daddy what's golden demon oh it's a painting competition years ago um I'll say to my
1:10:12
children yeah but we all [ __ ] it up by moaning about it and it went away yeah
1:10:18
yeah yeah or just probably sh we don't talk about God and Demon anymore child
1:10:25
oh I did yeah I did on a side part there talking tar model maker.com seems to be
1:10:30
very happy that the the new golden demons have imp have improved doesn't
1:10:37
Hees seem to be what I I loved the it was like a he wouldn't have even thought
1:10:44
so um but it was just like an unintentional humble brag in that he was
1:10:49
like Hey like I've won all these trophies quite often the quality is a bit [ __ ] like I've seen people spraying
1:10:55
in the car park and Glu them together yeah like I make plint it's my job um so
1:11:01
quite often he might you know F fill some bits in sand it respray it and then stick it back on um fully fully
1:11:09
understand the AR on that and yes where he's like oh this one straight on the
1:11:14
shelf and and and vide him just going straight on the Shelf with all my other
1:11:20
demons um and it makes it made it made me laugh as well cuz I don't that room
1:11:25
well that that there in and I was like and I thought you know and I don't think he was trying to do that no no no not at
1:11:32
all um but but I it was just sort of like yeah just hilarious just like oh
1:11:38
this could go this this is such a good quality trophy that it can just go on with all my other Golds and Silvers and
1:11:43
bronzes and all that yeah it's hilarious um so yeah the wording from this article
1:11:49
now I found the correct bit the new upgraded and enhanced paint plant would
1:11:54
be set up uh unit 18 of uh Easter Park a business park across the road from the
1:12:00
firm's HQ uh and would play a role in the company's multi-year expansion plan
1:12:05
according to planning documents games workshops planners add that paint production was an integral part of its
1:12:12
manufacturing so they because they don't produce any paint currently like they bottle it yeah but they don't actually
1:12:19
produce any I think uh so the company would need need to construct an area for
1:12:24
its machine sceny including a 3,000 L tank for paint fit new Windows Doors and More air conditioning that would assume
1:12:31
that would assume that if you were to go by that that would have sound a little bit like they were going to do away with
1:12:37
a HMG contract would they maybe they're just going to do it in house it be cheaper probably yeah
1:12:45
which I like that always makes me a little bit sad because I don't like the idea that potentially people losing their jobs or you know um I mean I know
1:12:53
HMG don't just make paints for but it'd be a real Blum and kick in the pants to lose that contract everybody
1:13:00
everybody generally goes to HMG for their paints anyway they're like you know big you know you got big farmer and
1:13:06
all your conspiracies that HMG are big paint they are big paint because they make games work shop paints yeah they
1:13:13
make Duncan paints I thought Duncan paints were made by um I thought they made Duncan paints Atlantis games well
1:13:20
yeah trans Atlantis games they bottle them oh do they do they bottle do they
1:13:26
yeah yeah they don't make them so like you know they all these companies I should say as well you know they say we
1:13:32
want these properties and they test them and they get the formula right yeah but I guess it's such one of those really
1:13:38
like I'm not saying like if you take Duncan paints and games workshops paints and just like they're not the same thing
1:13:43
rebottled at all and I I think generally everybody knows that um but they are made in the same Factory in Manchester
1:13:50
yeah um but one goes to workshop and the other one goes to that warehouse in
1:13:56
Liverpool and and gets bottled up and all that sort of stuff so um I believe
1:14:01
they um make the uh so they bit like that cor F Factory wherever it is that
1:14:07
puts corn Fs in about 12 different boxes yeah exactly it's it's like that it's like that yeah so so yeah they might
1:14:12
look like the yeah so the company we need to construct an area for its Machinery including a 3,000 liter tank
1:14:18
for paint fit new windows and doors blah blah blah blah blah um planning agent
1:14:24
said the paint vat another Machinery we need to be hidden behind a large 2.4 me gate and security fencing and waste
1:14:31
water cuz I tell you what I can't be surprised by that because paint thieves they've got to be the worst oh absolutely terrible um just people
1:14:37
climbing over the night with Big Empty old jeux plans yeah yeah yeah just can you it overalls just I I want to stand
1:14:43
outside of Lenton in like a big trench coat and just open it and be like do you want some off the shelf mist and red
1:14:49
it's good stuff do you know just a mat in a massive bucket you know I had an ideas that you know someone climbing
1:14:54
over the wall and the other person been on the outside you know they're all s sihing with
1:14:59
the like they're taking petrol filling up Jerry can just got
1:15:05
just got old re repurposed Baths on
1:15:11
Wheels oh my God that would be oh the security requirements for looking after your pain yeah oh that would be
1:15:17
hilarious um cuz I can imagine what the cuz if it's only the one 3,000 lit vat
1:15:23
maybe I I imagine there maybe make all of one color 3,000 L of it and then swap
1:15:30
to another color so you like you're siphoning off your mist and red and then you go back and you're like oh I really
1:15:36
hope it's mcra blue a [ __ ] it's contrast paint this time like um oh that'd be
1:15:42
brilliant just again you know the Young Apprentice covering home just like bright blue oh Gary did you fall in the
1:15:49
vat again yes M yeah yeah oh it's genius so yeah Games
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Workshop explain the buildings offices were currently in use but the industrial space inside was vacant there currently
1:16:01
13 people working inside the industrial unit but planning documents suggest the
1:16:06
new facility would provide 37 more jobs right so
1:16:13
um oh fitting out of the paint facility would reduce the number of car parking spaces by
1:16:19
17 um leaving only 23 for workers uh it's pending consider
1:16:24
consideration but I'm assuming it's going to go through um oh there's an all blah blah blah blah
1:16:31
blah yeah so there we go open spring 2026 oh wow uh and it will be part of a
1:16:37
fivey year or longer program of significant investment on in machinery and infrastructure that would that would
1:16:44
yard facing Games Workshop still looks like its days must be numbered they'll be in there before we know it won yeah
1:16:49
yeah yeah yeah like I find it's um yeah really really interesting like
1:16:55
those yeah there's like a Timber Merchant or something or or like a there's a the book sort of manufacturer
1:17:02
thing as well across the road there's like two businesses and you just know that like Kev rry the CEO must just like
1:17:08
look out of his office just like in a really sort of bloming bloming that's
1:17:15
the word um and he just yearns for their destruction so they can just take over
1:17:21
that entire Road and cuz there's so many like entry divion just on the phone to his on the
1:17:28
phone to his PA who just sits outside and says Get me the games work Arsenal division yeah
1:17:35
yeah we need the space over the road the idea for them because like I've said before they could just bang a gate right
1:17:41
at the beginning of that is that Willow roads course gate just gate Willow roads off and it's your whole GW Empire yes so
1:17:49
yeah it's super interesting that the this like I guess fire out from when Co
1:17:55
was you know they're they're putting plans in place to really up production
1:18:01
so there must be anticipating um the next one which would be good for them if they could get all their PR and back in
1:18:07
house yeah that would be because that's all China isn't it China and some around
1:18:12
the UK as well I think when they need it in a bit of hurry so I think it's a bit of China around the UK yeah so they be
1:18:19
interesting to see where that goes see what happens yeah so I think the there there's there's growth plans in place
1:18:24
there now I think is that sort of and has been more so that frustrating time of of like
1:18:31
it needs to grow we can't buy our toys um I've just gotten used to not buying
1:18:37
Warhammer now I tell you what I've noticed a little bit uh I think Stock's getting a bit better yeah I think if I I
1:18:45
think I'm going to Games Workshop after here because I'm going to war hammer well to put a load of me sprws in
1:18:51
because there's nothing better than buying all that plastic and then give them it back for free so they can make more plastic and charge me through the
1:18:57
through the backside for it but um the problem with spru is so say you stick them in bing bags they just rip Bing bags open on SL just drive in there and
1:19:05
give them it all um so I am going to I'm going to go in there and pop in there but yeah so yeah back to their uh to
1:19:13
their empire yes it's uh it's interesting to see how how Al so yeah I was going to
1:19:20
say yeah I was I I was say I reckon if I drove there this afternoon I think think I could probably go in there and I
1:19:26
reckon I could probably buy a box of HIV stor I imagine it'll still be on a shelf
1:19:31
yeah I think so how long's that been out about two weeks now is it okay yeah about two weeks so but I I think I
1:19:38
haven't had the fomo complaining no quite as much as it is
1:19:43
and I think the two week May I think the two we two we pre-order yeah is helping that yeah and also as well it looks like
1:19:50
they're starting to be a little bit less stingy with the friendly local gaming stores cuz I know from speaking to uh
1:19:58
our friends at element they said I will know our stock for high storm quite yes because they
1:20:05
they not the ever really struggled because they seem to have nailed it regardless of the reasons why and and
1:20:12
what people may or may not think that they are um they absolutely were limiting the stock allocation they were
1:20:19
to third party sellers weren't they yes yeah so um I remember yeah quite a few
1:20:25
element games like and and fair play to element games as well cuz it's you're essentially training people to not go to
1:20:33
your website yeah um a few days before when they get the stock they' be like hey like we just
1:20:39
don't have enough stock to put it online it will go out in shops next week yeah
1:20:45
um we're not even going to put it up for pre-order because they'd have too many people try and buy it and they would
1:20:53
have sold copies that they just don't have so refund people and it gives a bad experience and all that sort of stuff so
1:21:00
um kudos for them for doing that it's a shame that they had to but it's good that it's hopefully getting I think
1:21:05
stock I think it looks like stocks getting a bit better yeah so um cuz yeah I since since I've sort of like all
1:21:12
those sort of stock issues and stuff and I've G like right well I'm not even going to try and get anything new yeah and to be fair not that much that's come
1:21:20
out this year I've actually wanted to buy no um I think High storm was the first thing I was like o um but I didn't
1:21:28
buy it cuz I like it's a lot of money and I can't really afford it at the minute yeah um I absolutely will get the
1:21:34
kill steam kill team St box yeah because I want those two kill teams yeah absolutely right um
1:21:41
and the rumors to be believ the price is not terrible yeah uh 65 quid I've heard
1:21:47
yeah which is all right when you consider how especially when you can I know they push for teams but considering
1:21:53
how much the price which has gone up astronomically on kill teams now especially cuz they come with all their
1:21:59
D tokens yeah 40 qus oh yeah and even north of that as well for some of
1:22:05
them yeah 42 50 or away yeah well I'll tell you when I'll tell you in about an hour and a half when they're but yeah so
1:22:12
they yeah they're going up I still want to get the night Lords team I need to get the night Lords team I agree with
1:22:17
that um but I think yeah you don't need to own hi storm because I've bought it
1:22:22
our friend Ross has got it as well so so you know we'll be able to cuz we are given some thought to potentially playing it aren't we yeah yeah yeah so
1:22:30
uh yeah I'm like push for time I want to play more
1:22:36
games like just the senior and everything all up together yeah straight away is actually appealing and I tell
1:22:42
you what as well the other thing that's well you have to give it to them they're not um because we didn't get round to this last last week they're not um
1:22:49
they're not sitting on their Laurels with regards to kill team are they the the kill team went on on the Saturday
1:22:56
and then they had like a big announ they had a big announcement day yes and then announced the contents of the next Kil
1:23:02
yes which the Orcs And The hobbitses yeah which was a really interesting one for me cuz I was really like yay I now
1:23:09
know what's coming next but I was like Boo all of that thing about it all being jump packs for this season is completely
1:23:15
nonsense yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they fly now no no they don't fly now
1:23:20
apparently yeah because like they've gone from sneaky Orcs to big hammer we
1:23:25
destroy tank SS in a game with no tanks yes yes with the people who are the small about the smallest people on the
1:23:32
table other BL nagles nagling ratlings yeah ratlings to give the correct name
1:23:37
who to be honest I think all the mines look great loads of character I love that they've all got food for for stoned
1:23:44
across their bodies and mugs of tea and things like that I love all of that I think they look great I love the
1:23:51
um the show exclusive miniature for next year being the the two rattlings one
1:23:57
trying to get on with sniping something while his M's desperately trying to shout about whether he wants a saus I love it it's got loads of
1:24:03
character I will buy that um I wouldn't be surprised if we see that turn up a golden demon there I can see that
1:24:11
because it's just got looks like people are just find that a nice quirky piece to work on so um yeah and I was like oh
1:24:18
do I need ratlings no because I only try to where possible own Kil team
1:24:25
where they are multifunctional yeah my arbites can be used in 40K if I ever get
1:24:33
R there's a little group that who blessed and have invited me a number of times I'm struggling to find the time
1:24:38
Group which involves your friend and M Mr Andrew Gibson Andrew Gibson yeah he's in a necrom under team and my arites
1:24:44
I've got enough of them that I can feel them as palentine en forers yeah I can feel them in 40K and I can f them in
1:24:50
Kill team which is great because I feel like I get me money's worth out of them yeah and then of the vest bids I'm keeping
1:24:57
out of my box because I've got my Cru Army that yes is going to have
1:25:03
everything on it so I'm going to use them for that and then I will play them in Kill team I'm going to sell the
1:25:10
tempestus aquillin or whatever the aqualon I'm going to sell them CU I
1:25:15
haven't got a imperial guards Army and I don't one imperial guards I because half of this is half of this is like Safety
1:25:22
Management CU if I buy them and paint them I go I could just have a combat I could just have a th point and the
1:25:29
next Le you know it's like not to and that so I'm a bit like that with the next one I was like I like the idea of
1:25:36
the scenery being these walls that add onto the existing um game which I quite
1:25:41
like and I don't mind getting the Orcs because my youngest child's becoming an
1:25:46
orc player yeah so that's all right and then I was like oh you know I might just have the rat ons as just a kill team
1:25:53
because they qu yeah and to be honest as well the other thing that appeals to me is I look thought they're not going to take long
1:25:58
to pain to they oh cuz they're so bloody small concentrate just a dab a pink on
1:26:04
the end of a brook well that's the face done that's I think I'll be like oh they're so small I need to concentrate
1:26:09
so much more and then i' spend longer on them hobby goggles will be coming yeah
1:26:15
yeah you know so but yeah so I might um I might be tempted with them because like I say I like the idea of more of
1:26:22
the scenery as well so we'll see but the but I thought they were a nice little release actually yeah um to be fair to
1:26:28
Games Workshop even though they are expensive they really are doing their best to chew through the kill teams of
1:26:34
getting them reboxed with the tokens and getting them back out on sale again and so on and so forth so yeah yeah all good
1:26:43
yeah have we got anything else to I think that's kind of it really I think it is I think quite there so hopefully
1:26:49
Sophie's all right hopefully golden Demon's all right sop are you okay are you okay hey okay
1:26:55
Sophie no my cousin's boyfriend's been killed I have no connection to war world
1:27:02
but they won't let me go yeah I'm started while when they when they go to the room and lock me in I'm started
1:27:08
chewing my way through the [Laughter] wall just behind the sofa they haven't
1:27:13
noticed oh I'm so sorry Sophie I'm so sorry it's not your fault I yeah yeah I
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fully like we're not taking a piss out for it's Games Workshop and all the managers that wrote that script yeah
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need to have a bit of a word of themselves oh dear on that note should we end it yes uh thank you for tuning in
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like this will be what the podcast will look like if we didn't have any Pat go on what was it look oh no it would
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look like mayem i' I'd destroy everything yeah and
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then oh where the [ __ ] the off button
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