Metagaming, 10th Edition, Clickbait: Hellstorm Wargaming

0:00
hi I'm peachy I'm Patrick and I'm Jeff I'm with the Sawtooth there and this you
0:06
may know this guy hello Mikey how's storm gaming hi hi thanks for coming thank you for having me and Julian down
0:12
as well oh yes down down yeah down yeah you're annoying it yeah yeah
0:19
you you travel up and down the country and North is going up the country when people say through the way around it
0:25
annoys me no it's very strange it's very strange but now I'm like the wall you know anything past that wildlings you
0:30
know yeah absolutely yeah yeah that's that's that's where I agree
0:35
what where the wildlings are something like that I always and then I always think that's the wildlings are over
0:41
Hadrian's Wall because I was close to that that's true yeah yeah keep them at me keep them out quickly but in your
0:49
role in the old days of Old Scotland you would have been in Scotland wouldn't you I would know yeah I think so I think
0:55
Scotland came all the way in like sort of uh William Wallace time you'd have been I think you would have
1:01
actually still be you'd have been you'd have been in your Tartan and screaming I mean blue face that was impressive tangent straight away yeah straight away
1:07
yeah I'm getting the northern Vibes because you've got good heads of hair yeah
1:12
it's just bold I've come down to the Midlands and my hair is thinning now so yeah yeah
1:20
it's the correlation yes um but anyway um okay well done
1:26
uh 5-0 in this tournament yeah how was how was the weekend how did it all go
1:31
um yeah it was really fun though it was kind of like a bit of a happy accident because uh my girlfriend was away this week and um I didn't have anything to do
1:37
this weekend so I messaged yoga and I was like do you have a spare ticket oh we've just got one um so I went along
1:42
um and yeah it ended up winning all my games which was really fun Sunday Sunday was really sweaty because it was two
1:48
excellent players with really really meta armies you know I'm running a Metro
1:53
Army myself because I tend to play Space Marines and they're quite good at the minute um as iron hands
1:59
um nice but yeah yeah excellent weekend so what did you use what was in the Army then um so so like for anyone watching
2:05
obviously they might not see it yeah so iron hands um are like they've got like a lot of toolbox stuff
2:11
but their main thing is they have all their guns are really efficient because they're just trying to take as many heavy weapons as possible
2:17
um so it's okay it's a little bit tool boxy but essentially it's a bunch of uh land Speeders and uh land speed of
2:23
storms with the transport for the Scout yeah yeah yeah and because Scouts they can take Thunder Hammers and a sniper
2:28
rifle on the sergeants now all right okay that's an interesting combination which is quite funny I I call it the
2:34
Halo 3 if any of you played here sorry Gravity Hammer thumb down yeah I'm gonna come back to that in a minute but carry
2:39
on there's something about that's interesting um yeah and it's like a couple of infiltrator squads and it's just as many heavy supports as possible
2:45
so it's like Gladiator Devastators in a drop pod the new desolation t-shirt launchers because they're quite fun oh
2:52
right okay people kept coming up to me and being like are you taking these for a meme and I'm like a little bit but
2:57
they're actually quite good I I saw a post on Reddit recently that was like somebody explained to me the math why
3:03
these aren't great and apparently like I mean I'm not a competitive gamer but people sit at home and figure out all
3:10
the specific math and yeah and they're like no you should be able to take this and take that and that variant and you
3:16
can't with the Desolation Squad is that right yeah so essentially like a missile launcher in in 40K is kind of like you
3:23
shoot uh anti-infantry versions yeah you shoot the crack version which is anti-tank whereas the Desolation Squad
3:29
they have indirect fire which is quite big at the minute because nobody really has it so people get caught out by it
3:35
but then the missile itself you have to choose before the game which part of the model which everyone is a bit like oh
3:40
okay A bit rubbish yeah but then they're actually quite good yeah because you can take the anti-crack the crack missile
3:46
which is like high strength High AP high damage so it's really good at dealing with uh tanks at long range but also if
3:53
any nasty infantry get in line yeah they just just melt
4:00
Adam have you built the most VR there are of you tinkered with the oh no I built them as a as they came so because
4:06
I was painting them for the because I got a review copy so I was trying to paint release paint them for the release
4:12
day yeah and um I was like I could convert these but I have like two days to pay them yeah yeah yeah yeah I built
4:18
five painted five the other ones are still on sprue so I've seen someone do like the rocket pods go on the back of the backpack and then there's like the
4:24
other whatever Cannon because yeah like all the guns I think the favorite I've seen which I think works because it's
4:29
still physically works as people have done them with just that little Gatling
4:34
gun style thing underneath and then on the backpacks they've used uh rocket pods from the aggressors
4:43
I did a bit of a Photoshop session on the stream trying to work out the best way to do it oh cool because people there was one that was just like multi
4:50
melterabs and then last Cannon and then a missile launch on the end of it it was just really bad so
4:56
um but yeah like putting the aggressor and the aggressive grenade launch on the backpack does look really cool will you say that's the indirect version yeah and
5:03
then make the Canon underslung yeah like the heresy versions that they have now which actually looks quite nice if I've
5:08
got the Photoshop I'll say differently so you can oh yeah it's fine but yeah that's smart yeah but when people are just kind of going oh yeah this looks
5:14
way better then just go rocket pod the big Miss I want yeah
5:22
definitely a brother tonight and it's just those all the other stuff
5:28
as well on top of that in the Army um so actually I'll do those from that kit um because they're I like the
5:34
Dreadnought he's really really cool yeah boy yeah with all the guns yes yes he's
5:40
very very efficient for a combat unit um but he um he's a little bit expensive
5:45
yeah because I don't know it's a bit bit pricey in my opinion and because the game is quite pretty sore or both uh
5:52
points to buy yeah he's installing a locked in a box right now expensive time but points wise I think he's a little
5:57
bit expensive as well yeah because everything like 40K seconds of such weird like Peaks and troughs of the game but
6:04
everything's so Killy right now so if you take anything that's too expensive and you like Walk It Out to another border you're going to try and do
6:09
yourself it just dies he's like all right that's 200 points gone oh that's 600 because I lost all three yeah
6:15
um so yeah yeah it's a bit strange but how is it Keeping Up With The Meta and
6:22
bringing a competitive list to a tournament like how much it's a full-time job yeah because I was going
6:28
to say how much brain space does that take up quite a lot yeah yeah um it's a bit strange because it's kind
6:34
of like as long as you've got to kind of like learn how your army functions and trying to like I say a chisel your list
6:40
I like try and make every Point count every command point that you spend before the game can yeah um but then
6:46
you've also got to be like okay I'm gonna bring this list and it's got all the guns and all the combat but it's
6:52
kind of slow but then you go against an army that's like okay I'm just going to keep away from you sit on all the objectives so you can't touch me and
6:57
it's like oh I just lost even though I've got like 9 000 in cannons that could delete everything you've got but
7:02
it's kind of like you've got to kind of be aware of what the opponent can do kind of plan for that sort of thing what
7:08
can you do and where are your weaknesses and how can you combat it which is kind of like the Desolation Squad is a good
7:13
example because like they have indirect fire and maths wise in most shootouts they are pretty rubbish because they're
7:20
indirect fire there's the bands that it's like which Nerf stuff if you can't see it so if they reduce the ballistic
7:26
skills so they hit worse gives the opponent an armor save gives it a better save and then they get in cover as well yeah yeah so it's like oh they're not
7:33
not very good but in certain matchups like Gene steel occults and they're just wearing t-shirts you can give them plus one save it doesn't matter they're still
7:39
going to fall asleep if you've got desolation Squad shooting another desolation Squad and they can't
7:45
see each other nothing's gonna happen yeah they're just gonna be like oh yeah cool yeah I can see your venga bus over
7:51
there that is mine uh space between puncher isn't it yeah really literally quite literally launching t-shirts
7:59
um just the opponents merchandise yeah talking to t-shirts I do appreciate that as well that was pretty good yeah so uh
8:05
my uh John Scrivens Drew this for me good old John yeah so when we got the when Space Marine the first ball I went
8:12
from one to two wounds obviously been training for three years oh fantastic so I want to get back
8:17
quickly to the Scout Sergeant being able to have a thunder hammer and yeah right so I remember when we're in the studio
8:25
making like well I wasn't making I was painted but the rules guys like you can't we're now not going to make data
8:32
sheets for things that don't come in the box that aren't direct from that kit follow that
8:37
what the hell yeah yeah I mean I get a sniper offer because they you can get
8:42
these sniper rifle Scouts yeah but a thunder happen I mean is he literally like sniper rifle Thunder hammocks
8:51
it's the one you know where normally he's like a holding sniper rifle here he's on scope in this hand yeah yeah drop that hand off any space for
8:57
anything you can find it's just it's just like a giant
9:05
because in the the latest uh field manual with the points a lot of this older space spring units because no one
9:10
was taking them um their upgrades became either free or super cheap 60 points with like 12 pointer model but
9:19
then they have no upgrade costs so you can take everything without paying any points so you could take Scouts with bolters
9:24
for 60 points you can take Scouts with camo cloaks four sniper rifles
9:29
for the same point yeah in my brain from having having I haven't dabbled in that
9:36
side of things within the military I just had the sculpt in my mind was the Thunder hammer in the ground and I'm
9:42
using it to lean on yeah yeah that big classic Pike and uh shots yeah
9:47
absolutely right but um yeah there's some there's some hobby uh hobby terrorists I call them I just get taken
9:53
like Vanguard veteran Thundermans with the hand and just sticking them on the back of the cloaks yeah that's it yeah it's just like oh right okay
10:02
some of the early Lord of the Rings tournaments they used to see where there wasn't and because like a great example
10:07
was corsairs of umbar were better if you had two hand weapons like two axes because for some reason you could have
10:13
like that as an option even though yeah kit didn't come with it they just came with cutlasses and stuff and people are seeing like oh there you go with this
10:19
dwarf Warrior axes but they're all left-handed so you'd have like
10:25
left-handed ax and a left
10:48
absolutely so do you have to have it with the sniper and thunder hammer do you have to have it modeled on or could
10:54
you say it's got a thunder Hammer um it's a bit people do and some tournament organizers
11:01
don't really mind yeah um but some people do care and it's a bit like oh yeah these guys with chainsaws if that's
11:07
who I've got positive pistols or other popular guns for example and well sure it becomes confusing doesn't it yeah exactly if I look across am I if I'm on
11:14
a game and I'm like right okay how can I I can score as many points in this turn and I look across and say oh there's a unit there and um they're just sniper
11:21
rifles you know for example I've been in this example he's like okay let's shoot me I'll take a couple of wins I'll be okay to that risk and then he goes oh
11:27
yeah they're actually all got Thunder hammers it's like yeah it's all about Clarity like yeah
11:35
it's it's yeah the whole term wizzy wig is what you see is what you get where do you stand because I had this as came up
11:42
as a whole row on Facebook once and I just thought and I'm quite wysiwyg when it comes to
11:47
how you model things but somebody was saying I don't think it's acceptable to if your captain who's carrying a holster
11:54
I don't think it's acceptable for that to be a Plasma Pistol in it um well it's a holster so it doesn't
11:59
really I personally think if he's got a sword that's what we're coming if he's got a swords and a shield yeah as per
12:06
say primaris Lieutenant yeah but you decided you weren't doing the gun you were just doing swords on a shield and
12:13
then he's got a he's got a holster but that that loads out is that he can have a Plasma Pistol yeah but you can't see
12:18
the Plasma Pistol yeah I think with that you can be a little bit more lenient because it's oh yeah it's a busy right
12:23
yeah yeah yeah and that's what I think but there was someone was like no it's gonna be in his hand how would you know
12:29
and you go well you tell them yeah or it's on the sheet or whatever from a visual point of view I remember someone
12:34
saying that the um the holster doesn't like it should hold a Plasma Pistol
12:39
it's more like a Las pistol it's like design for like a Lazarus so it's like yeah at least it's got big
12:46
uh primaris pollsters look like they fit the gun yeah yeah yeah I think you have to kind of just like
12:52
take it with a pinch of salt sometimes but it's like kind of like there's a point you can go to like not every space
12:58
between has a grenade like yeah grenades yeah yeah but they're just grenades whereas if it's like oh it's like a
13:04
special weapon that you've normally paid for in your list yeah in English which you don't but you know yeah um if it's
13:10
something like that that is like could be quite game like quite impactful on the game then you probably should have
13:15
it and that's why you see thunder hammers with hands attacked on the backpack at least it's there yeah yeah you know it looks silly but the weirdest
13:22
rule I used to I mean I'm going back to Lord of the Rings again because that was the tournaments that I experienced a bit of Warhammer as well better gamer with a
13:27
lot of the Rings oh absolutely all the way he was uh problematic I was
13:33
yeah it's definitely problematic on the tournament Grand tournament scene and I remember I was playing against a
13:39
guy and he had um what they call her Adrian he had some her Adrian and he had the new plastic
13:46
Cavalry they're Adam Raiders on so they're a plastic covering you get six in the box and he counted them as
13:52
serpent Knights or serpent Riders I think they were like the elite but you had some serpent Riders and he counted them as her admin Raiders because they
13:59
all met on there was less of them because he wanted the court but because it was a count as rule it's like if you have these you can't then use that same
14:05
model kit yeah to represent another kit in the Army you have to use something else as a count as and I'm just like no
14:11
it's not I'm like no they're that they are modeled and sculpted as yeah serpent Knights and they are Raiders they should
14:18
be counting as the opposite that's what they are so I used to like really drive me the one where I almost got well maybe
14:25
I've just been a bit of a Nazi but the way of grabbing Somebody by the throat
14:30
and local Games Workshop store was a guy who wouldn't back down on this was back
14:37
back in day third day and um he had
14:43
um corn champion on a juggernaut and the corn Champion had a jet pack and
14:50
it was carrying the Juggernaut around the board I was like how strong are his thighs
14:58
that's some good yoga isn't it something my dad told me when I was on my motorbike he's like you I used to like
15:04
use my hands as support and stuff like I used to get really a curious he's like no cling with you with your legs do you
15:10
reckon you she reckon you probably got the thigh muscles now to jump a jug I reckon if I had a jet pack I could lift that button yeah
15:20
and when I went desperately and he went doesn't say you can't yeah
15:27
sorry I never understood space swap Scouts remember these built I don't know what they can do now these belts come on
15:33
from the back of the board yeah and they were led by a um they would be led by um uh wolf wolf guards yeah wolfgard
15:40
sergeants basically and people used to model them where the wolf guard Sergeant was a Terminator right and you're going
15:46
to doesn't say you can't but you know the idea that you're sneaking around the back of the board and everyone's in like just pulled off
15:53
tell me to be rude charged but couldn't you give that a rest it's not the scouts isn't it you got the
15:59
sniper Scouts you got the guy the rocket launcher yes
16:04
that really really old video with the velcro it's like I've got tactical I remember this one it's like you won't be
16:10
able to hear it listen he goes out really loud when you shoot the
16:16
missile launcher they'll never see it yeah yeah so I want to talk about you your journey
16:22
your hobby Journey my journey so I know we went into like meta kind of straight away but so you're a Sheffield boy is
16:28
that I am yeah yeah I worked there for a time at Meadowhall so nice I know that I know the population there that's why I
16:34
got taught to play Warhammer probably not by me it wasn't by you something I do still talk to the person yeah so it's
16:39
about um I was about to say 11 it wasn't 11. it was 17 years ago identified so I was 12.
16:46
that would have been around the time I would have been failing yeah so I I think it was
16:51
2005 I did my training so I don't know if that I'm probably getting my math wrong but regardless I was only there
16:57
for like a handful of weeks to to do my manager training course because you get given a shop Yeah country but I love
17:02
medical and I think it was a really nice shop I went to the more a few times as well but there was a couple of guys in our region because Sheffield and I guess
17:10
Hull Grimsby uh were all kind of within our local region stuff so I know I know
17:16
that that place well so tell us about Mikey and him being a young boy going
17:21
into Games Workshop uh what what got you into the hobby um mostly a lot of the Rings good so
17:28
obviously what's the movie strong start yeah my friend um I ended up seeing my friend had some Lord of the Rings models
17:34
and um I was like what are these what's going on here and he was just like oh they're you know they're from this
17:40
Gaines Workshop
17:46
young 11 12 year old kid knocking about the shopping mall you know
17:51
um and I and end up um wandering in and having a look at the Lord of the Rings I don't even look at 40K at the time
17:57
um and um I think it was around the time that the fifth edition box was being launched so
18:03
it was the assault on black reach yeah so just before that came out um that I started like going in and then
18:09
um so my friend at the time who showed me a lot of things he was like oh yeah I have all these old models do you want them I was like yeah so I spent save my
18:16
pocket money up for a month and then bought a a chaos Rhino uh some corn Berserkers mixed with possessed and just
18:22
lots of awful awful kick bashes they've all been there yeah yeah you gotta you've got to start there though you've
18:27
got to start there yeah exactly chocolate bits in the bucket found some glow shaking let's see what happens
18:32
um but yeah and then and then uh you know I so I ended up picking up those and there was a club at school as well
18:38
that actually did it in an evening in the library you know so six proper nerds
18:43
nice playing Warhammer every Tuesday night oh yeah I'll join in and do that as well and then yeah all downhill from
18:50
there to be honest good yeah so you say your lord Rings was your entry then what got you into 40K what was it that was
18:56
like was it like Blackberry chill it was it was literally I picked up those models and then you know and then I was
19:02
like kind of playing dawn of War at the same time oh yeah big big yeah yeah because I've got a lot of people in wait
19:08
a minute that's from the video were you a meta gamer for Donald War as well because there was a fair few of those in
19:14
our store no not really I only played the story you know rack up all your Balter turrets you know and then just
19:20
hope for the best yeah yeah I remember we used to have a land center near Derby we used to go there like a group of
19:25
customers and the staff would every like Wednesday night whatever go down to land sport it was called good name and we'd
19:32
play dawn of War and there was always that guy who had like literally his base was just an entire field of heavy bottle
19:37
tours and dreadnoughts yeah yeah oh God it's gonna take so long and there you
19:43
are finishing the first line of heavy bottle turrets and then they've just been repaired yeah you're like oh because you have every single one of
19:49
your troops died so you've got to go back to your base recruit you come back yeah
19:54
um so so yeah so I started playing God of War I was interested in Lord of the Rings because my friend picked up those models ended up picking up black reach
20:00
yeah it was a big launch it was like oh yeah we'll get on that and it was uh 45 pounds all the time for the starter set
20:06
yeah they're all books that's a good point I mean I remember
20:13
the rule book been about 20 quid yeah and then the box set being about 40. okay I remember having to order extra
20:19
because we used to have these little corner tickets you'd stick in all the corners of the boxes yeah we we're
20:24
always running out of 40s because that was the core game so like Lord of the Rings Warhammer 40K so yeah 40 questions
20:29
the first one that came with like a small rule book yes yes
20:35
they are in small orange one yeah with Space Marines and Orcs and uh Meadowhall
20:40
at the time was doing a painting competition I was like okay so if you're getting painted in a month come back best one wins a prize so I was like oh
20:47
me my mate split the box and we're like okay I'll paint these as bloodravens because I love bloodraven still play them today yeah
20:53
um and then you compare the Orcs will come together and then we'd like us painting away and then about a week before an entire Army dry brushed you
20:59
know it was a young lab did not paint and then he was like I've not finished I was like how much have you done he's like I put the green on and I was like
21:07
cool so I've helped him do that and then I go down with a Vauxhall happy ready to enter the competition and the store's
21:12
dead and now like just the managers in I'm like I'm here for the battery painting competition he's like okay you're the first one so I like laid my
21:19
Army out no one else turns oh no no one else turned up so I automatically won I
21:25
mean you won that's the important bit yes yes so I got a prize and then it was
21:30
pretty much old stock That was supposed to be sending back to different views I got a chaos land Raider
21:35
um sorry land Raider with land radio Crusader with the metal uh bolters because they were getting they were like
21:41
about to change out for the plastic one and um chaos Terminators I see I
21:46
remember that back room it wasn't really a room it was a corridor it was Tiny absolutely tiny because it was like the
21:51
emergency exit and it was like that's where we used to like staff training and chats it was so tidy was it Dave
21:57
Brighton there at the time then was he the manager because he was one that trained me um the ponytail long hair did cut it
22:03
short really vibrant blue eyes no it was um they had a new man
22:10
yeah and then the guy who taught me how to play was called Gaz yeah okay plays Infinity now but you know yeah he's
22:16
always still good friends so he still lives but yeah so that was pretty much how I
22:22
got into the hobby properly and when I started playing space between Space Marines pretty much yeah since brilliant
22:27
so you did that um random jobs I guess before doing
22:32
Healthcare gaming yeah I um I went to I went to college and uh did music because
22:38
I was going to be a music producer that was yeah I did I did music when I was growing up as well and I didn't want to
22:44
do it I wanted to do media but everyone was like don't do media yeah that's worthless and then here I am now doing
22:51
the media so um so yes I did I did a levels for a year hated it because essentially to do
22:58
the music course at the car joint you need to be able to reach read sheet music I was in a band I couldn't read sheet music I could read tabs you know I
23:04
played bass so yeah um so yes I ended up doing that for a year and then I did uh music uh music
23:10
production for a year for two years sorry recording an album it's awful but
23:16
it is out there I mean you've got a boy band feel to you right yeah I've seen I mean the three of it together would be
23:21
great good yeah I don't know what we're calling is it the hair I think it's the hair oh you need glasses I think I'll
23:27
tie it in nicely yes be a nice sort of like hipster band so a few a few people have done I got sent by two different
23:34
people some fan art of the three of us like you know you sent me one and then uh Cherry I like graphic designer sent
23:40
me the others and I it's I find it really hard to tell between the cartoon
23:46
form who's Pat and who's Jeff yeah I was once beaten packed for lunch
23:54
and I'd got there early and um it was a place to share with yeah and
23:59
I got that alien sat down and I said um I said my friend is going to be joining me and the the waitress went all right
24:06
they went just imagine this for a bit smaller and then I wounded in and she was like
24:12
he's over there excellent
24:18
and I was like why why did you know automatically then you would make sense yeah yeah
24:24
um but yeah so I did that for a couple of years all my friends uh who was in the bandwidth had already got started
24:29
uni so I was a year behind and I was gonna I was gonna I've got some places at University to do music as well and my
24:35
family was kind of like you could do that or you could go get a job and it was kind of like okay I'll
24:42
look around so I ended up getting a job at the University in Sheffield in engineering so I did that for uh just
24:48
shy of seven years yeah and then this weird thing happened with the world where everything shut yeah and uh yeah
24:53
redundancies came along and um thankfully I had this to kind of fall back on yeah yeah
24:59
um you know what I don't really want to try and get a job when everything's short and everyone's getting rid of it
25:05
so yeah let's give YouTube a try full time and see what happens it seems to have spurred quite a lot of people's
25:10
views doesn't it we were trying to to Dave yeah yeah and he said covid was the
25:15
the main push for him to yeah that everyone enjoyed for quite a while yeah I suppose it was for us around the
25:22
world sort of way because you probably wouldn't have ended up a GW of covert that to happen no because you the
25:27
weapons would have been in Full Steam and you wouldn't have had to go over there so I suppose it sounds a bit of a
25:32
lock on effect for a lot of us really isn't it right yeah absolutely yeah like it's I don't know had a negative effect on a lot of people but yes
25:39
it's had a lot of well you know it did have negatives I don't want to make yeah but it's a lot of people suffered but
25:46
yeah people did all right off yeah like in that position it's changed my life yeah yeah definitely yeah yeah here we
25:52
are in a increasingly warm room I came heavy with the extra layers and I
25:58
wish I had yeah I put a jumper on I'm just like [ __ ]
26:26
so our storm started in the year of covid no no it was actually quite a
26:31
quite a while before then so um okay yeah so I I I was watching a lot of twitch at the
26:37
time like about like about six years ago it was late I only remember through editions of 40K for any time period so
26:44
because like yeah trying to keep track so end of seventh edition if you don't talk to your family like
26:50
that you know when it was like the fifth edition November fifth edition Christmas
26:57
yeah for that I just have to just make up numbers but yes it's like late seventh edition
27:04
um I started the channel because I was watching a lot of twitch at the time watching a lot of streamers and I was like oh no one's no one's really
27:10
streaming any Warhammer and like there's loads of people making battle reports and stuff yeah it was the odd few
27:15
painting channels as well and I was like well no one's doing like live battle reports and then I was like okay I could
27:21
buy a webcam and see how this goes so I started doing some live battle reports I'd uh three c920s the Logitech the at
27:28
the time like 50 Quid webcams yeah with extensions that always gave out halfway through the games you have to go and like reset the cameras okay
27:36
um but yeah so like I think they're still up on Twitch so they might still be up on YouTube but some of the first ones where it's just like
27:42
um essentially me in my shared House dining room uh with the microwave on the
27:47
back wall and all the crap in the way yeah um uh just like making live battle reports really badly and then we were
27:54
doing stuff like Star Wars Destiny which is like a card game I remember that yeah there's a card game with dice yeah
28:01
um so we were like me and my friends are playing that because we like kind of met at the local shop that uh we're all playing on we could use it on Thursday
28:07
night for example yeah oh yeah let's uh you know I'm gonna start this channel if you want to give it as a hand and uh so
28:12
yeah if you start playing battle reports like sprayed green terrain on a really rubbish battle mat and just awful lighting awful sound you know like quite
28:19
literally using one of these microphones at the side of the table yeah which is great
28:25
um but yeah and then eighth edition came along and we were like let's just do do a 24-hour live stream that'll be a great
28:31
idea 24 hour live stream of battle report so we did uh seven battle reports for eighth edition uh non-stop six till
28:39
six which is awful yeah the last coin you just like kill me kill
28:44
me I'm pretty sure at 5am when we've got the new box set because they're doing midnight launch for the box and I was like building the intercessors on the
28:51
stream and I was just like Delirious yeah I was just out with it I went off for five minutes someone fed me a banana
28:57
right as rain if I went so yeah you feel really rubbish guys eat a banana you
29:02
know the potassium it must be closed yeah all that potassium yeah so um and then yeah so we're doing uh live streams
29:09
and then I was like painting on stream as well for so I was like going to tournaments I'm like oh yeah this week I'm painting this unit because I'm going
29:15
to a tournament here there anywhere and then yeah and I was like oh well live stream battle pots are fun but if you
29:21
start doing it on YouTube and then it kind of like kicked off from there doing YouTube reports like more traditional
29:26
film edited about robots in live streams um and then and then yeah kovid happened
29:31
but reports kind of went in the can because I can't have people in my house yeah yeah moving out and then me and my
29:37
me and my friend who I lived with in one house moved to another and I was like if you're gonna live together I need the dining room for the table Yeah and all
29:43
the models yeah um so I was like doing everything in my dining room and then and then covered happened and then I was
29:48
just like I was fair low and I was like okay well I can make content but what content do I make and that kind of moved
29:54
to my series called coffee time which is essentially a Sunday show that I used to do just talking about something I'd seen that week yeah yeah which then developed
30:01
in a weekly live stream basically doing another Chat Show while painting and then it led to just me talking and they
30:07
led to just me doing a leaky stream I just laugh at the internet now yes yeah yeah I've been watching a few of those yeah yeah I was gonna say it's really
30:14
interesting like we we um we said you were coming onto our patrons and asked if they have any questions and so and
30:19
and someone had said like how do you think your content has changed and I think effectively you've yeah answered
30:25
it there with like it you know you put you have to play Battle reports against someone yes and
30:30
that's like right that's gone I still want to make content what shall I do and yeah and how like that that has
30:35
progressed I'm watching the first uh type that type of talking head video or like ones that I was doing just before
30:42
like doing essentially I was exclusively doing battle reports or book reviews yeah and it was kind of like
30:48
it's really cringe it's really bad I'm just like hello my name's Mikey and
30:54
today I'm looking at this book and I'm just like oh God I just hate it so much I mean I mean we've all been there I
31:00
mean my first video when I'm warmer TV yeah I'd say to people watched how to paint here in this video it's awful it's
31:05
gone off I got the new painters to watch it to give them some confidence yeah because they were struggling behind the camera like you know trying to like
31:11
articulate and get the energy levels like watch this on my laptop and I'm just saying like I'm really excited
31:17
about it yes yes exactly just off camera yeah yeah
31:23
uh but yeah I mean you know you've got to start somewhere right yeah exactly so if you do want to watch it one of my
31:28
most few videos is the second one I did where I did the top eight worst units in eighth edition
31:33
um which was me and a friend of mine and Ernesto we were doing the video together and that was just just as bad it was
31:38
really the intro anyway when I was on my own when we were together it was a bit more yeah a bit easier but now I have such so much unregulated confidence that
31:46
it's just yeah yeah it's just yeah now you know what I mean before it was really awkward yeah so so a video of
31:53
yours that I watched recently um that I thoroughly enjoyed and I thought the title was hilarious
31:59
um was about filling rogal Dawn's hole yes
32:04
that was that was fun again from one of our lives a live stream it was kind of like yeah well we were just laughing
32:10
about it I was just like who actually cares you know what I mean like yeah it it you know we don't turn this tanks
32:15
over anymore if you do you hate your paint job clearly yeah yeah you know um
32:24
that likes the idea that a tank should have a hole at the bottom there we go I'll uh I'll play with this please carry
32:30
on so yeah so basically a lot of my uh live streams obviously we have like the chat
32:36
we're like basically the second cast member of the Supreme right so like we're I'm like laughing at these people
32:42
and being like look they've not finished it they're charging 150 quid for this and they've not even finished it and
32:47
then I'm like no but who actually cares yeah and then someone like a passing comment from uh two people in chat were
32:53
kind of like why are you just like 3D print a bit and like make a bit and then sell it and I was like okay that'd be
32:59
funny I'll Be A Millionaire you know passive income that's what it's all about these days you know make some stls
33:05
put them online sell them for the rest of your life you know and um so yeah Sarah did that and then I posted a
33:11
picture on Reddit on our 1140k and um it got like 200 000
33:16
views in the first couple of days oh it was like they were like went to like three four hundred a couple of days afterwards and then I got banned for a
33:23
week um because why um so because I'm in a lot of subreddits
33:28
I don't always read all of the rules okay right yeah and you know I was in in the wrong to be fair
33:34
um like self-promotion or something yeah so basically I'd put like a picture of it just the bottom is like I filled
33:39
Rover Dawn's hole Yeah and obviously yeah it's never not funny sorry no and
33:46
then continue and then I I like kind of like let alone like I filled I I like
33:52
power bottom and I left a link to the Cults 3D which is where I was hosting the film oh okay yeah one pound
33:57
something I make 99p every time I make a sale yeah um and then and then I was
34:03
like you know it's a link to rogal Dawn's power bottom filler um another a chat again uh Jake named
34:09
that one thankfully and um yeah so I put that up and then I got banned so but the post stayed up but I couldn't interact
34:15
with it so okay yeah so then I put on Twitter just kind of like you know tongue and cheek that's what kind of
34:21
what I'm like he's like oh I've been banned they're trying to silence us they won't let us fill the hole
34:27
so but because obviously I got banned but not been told why so I messaged the moderators I was like I was wondering why I've been banned can you let us know
34:33
and he was like he shared you shared a link but also putting this on Twitter is really bad and you make this look bad
34:39
and I was like I was like talking cheeks sorry can you unban me it's like no because you posted a link to the sale page I was like cool
34:47
it was only seven days all right so yeah so by the time the road actually came out I was unbanned but it was just like
34:54
all these people being like Oh my God where's this where can I get this or like you know this is why is everyone so
34:59
angry at this I couldn't even interact with it yeah to even upvote it or anything I was just like I was like watching my creation go
35:06
on you know yeah you know like like a good piece of art yeah we've got we got
35:12
bounced a little bit because we don't care that there's a hole in the bottom I don't give a crap and I won't I won't
35:17
mention the person because it best not but I had a conversation with uh a
35:23
sculptor ah Games Workshop and he was like people just banging on about this he
35:29
says no one's talking about the fact how much more kids is in that than normal you know comes with so much stuff
35:35
compared to a normal tank and he says no one talks about the fact that you only have so much access to Tulum you only
35:41
have so much access to things and if you know you know where drugs you know as he said
35:46
better comes with a lot of guns than than yeah exactly exactly and it's this thing he should people go oh they're
35:53
just trying to not put another sprue and it's like well that would have cussed it up yeah and then the next thing you know you're going we've now got a designer
35:59
boxes yeah yeah and then you know and then people you know but it's this thing if if if if
36:06
they said to you you buy it but then there is a rogal dawn upgrade screw which has the sponsors in it yeah people
36:12
will be throwing an absolute fit yeah you know what I mean it's got no floor and all the things you want are in there
36:18
plus stuff you never thought you would dream of having and then people still are nappy doesn't seem to be a you know people always go
36:25
to the conspiracy yeah of why yeah yeah all the time I mean I think it's just uh
36:30
for lack of better term for it like keyboard Warriors you know I love them they're great they give you a lot of content
36:38
um but yeah it's just it's just people getting angry for the time being angry and that's just yeah those things you know yeah I mean I know you you talk to
36:45
I talked to someone different really recently and they were saying the same thing that would have had to be put onto a larger sprue yeah which then meant it
36:53
would be more cost yeah because yeah you're pushing you're pushing the tool and then how every every piece of Kit
37:00
every model has to wait to turn to get done and it's like you know and then
37:05
they want to go well no all this succeeds what we're going to we could have would knock all it it's not just a case of it being a floor it's schedules
37:11
and everything else will get knocked out of sync and yeah and people don't look at the bigger picture they just go whoa there's no floor on that thing I will
37:17
never turn over yeah in the defense of the anti-holers
37:23
um I think it's not it's not the first time it's been done we've seen like this thing before especially like a lot of
37:28
the um easy to build yeah it's like there's that the famous ATV thing isn't it the ATV no one got massively upset
37:35
that that's another floor yeah because it's push fit so it's acceptable and then there was the uh the age of Sigma
37:42
starter Lord on one of the dragoffs or something yeah yeah and then the other one we're
37:48
looking at is the Doom crawler the adamant yeah it has a hole in I think the problem with the Dawn and why it
37:54
probably kicked off so much is because it was it's so like in your face a hole where it's like oh this stuff is like
38:00
kind of like an indent yeah you know like the ATV you can see the driver's bomb yeah it's like an indent and then
38:05
the June crawler is a dream crawler it's not called dream Club
38:11
there you go um that's kind of like underneath as well and you kind of got like all the details underneath but with the regular
38:16
Dawn it is just a hole well In fairness to it it they come in don't the back and front yeah and it is a hole in the
38:24
middle yeah is that I think you would really be able to stick your head on the table and squint to see that it was yeah
38:29
maybe I don't really try yeah and I just think I think you know really I think my takeaway from this Jeff is as passionate
38:35
as some people about as some people are that there is a hole and it's bad you're
38:40
so passionate about how you just don't care
38:49
is like the third video where we spent five minutes talking about it Jeff is very passionate about it so it's
38:57
a good Hill to die on yeah everything in my but that on my Tombstone it will say Japs before he lies here everything
39:03
should have a hole not a fan of being power-bottomed
39:09
top of me list do ya
39:15
oh that was fun but anyway that video it made me laugh yeah yeah that was like a fun
39:21
um like poking fun at the community um like it yeah it made me Google I
39:28
thought it was top top tier content and uh yeah I was pretty surprised because I when I actually did put the file on
39:34
courts it was kind of a bit of a joke yeah now I was kind of I'm not gonna sell any then I said end up selling like
39:39
30 or 40 when they when I end up doing the stream about it and turned it into a video oh brilliant I think I've sold over 140 now which is very wild
39:48
um and I I did donate their first hundred to charity yeah for general intelligence yeah because I was like I
39:54
don't really want I don't want to take this money because I did it for a joke yeah I wasn't expecting to sell more than 10. you needed to set you unculture
40:01
you have to make 10 pounds worth of credit to withdraw it yeah and I was like oh I'm only getting 99p after
40:07
courts cut so I'm gonna have to sell 11. I don't even sell 10. and then ended up selling like 20. I was like oh okay this
40:13
is all right yeah and then yeah so after I'd sold a couple I was like this is just out of my hands now I'm just gonna
40:18
donate it off to charity yeah um but I've got an important question those people that bought and they use
40:24
them in tournaments [Music]
40:40
40K tanks nowaday because everything comes with an aerial yeah yeah you can't even tip
40:46
I'm pretty sure the dawn does as well yeah so um um the technical answer is uh Games
40:54
Workshop event no no you can have 3D printed parts of games I should prevent as long as you design them yourself yeah
41:00
or they're not coming actually you could use it I could use it yeah I could take the power button yeah no one else can
41:05
it's only I hold that power what a title
41:11
oh yeah usually when I have these chats and and the conversations going on I'm thinking about what the title of the
41:17
video will be as we're going to be writing itself yeah I think though Games Workshop won't
41:24
pull and I think will pull up because I think they think it's such a contentious thing where a lot of the people are
41:30
pointing at them for making a failure in yeah I think it will be a case if any I don't think Games Workshop will pull
41:36
that well no we'll just pretend we haven't seen it and ignore that because I think it will actually just I think
41:42
it'd be you know be like forgetting to do a space stream with an arm wouldn't it you know yeah for sure for sure so I think they will leave it alone I reckon
41:49
yeah I think I think so brilliant we got some questions we've got some patreon questions nice yeah so
41:55
this one I feel like um there's some context that I'm missing out on I love questions like that yeah
42:02
and I read that and thought the same yeah so apologies in advance
42:13
this this first bit is just quite harsh and then it's a two-part question okay first bit I'll apologize for why aren't
42:21
you as good a YouTuber as chapter Master valrak do you think he stole your
42:26
Dreadnought at no retreat I knew something like that
42:31
so uh we can just beep it out and move on so so when I went to no retreat well
42:38
the they would SM battle reports do their events in Gibraltar and they were doing yeah it's so good one of the best events
42:45
yeah they really look after you but they did no retreat Legends which was a charity event loads of YouTubers and
42:51
content creators go out compete and then all like the super chats and all the donations go to charity oh cool um I
42:58
can't remember which charity I believe they were like a lot of them went to mine because I think the winner chose the charity
43:03
um which is a really cool event and uh it was really really amazing to be a part of
43:08
um but I took my eye in hands while back well iron hand success My Blood Ravens and I had um two Invicta War suits in my
43:14
list and um it's kind of like it's in it's on a boat the boat hotel which is cool
43:20
full Cruise Line that's one of the reasons why I was so really yeah could you get some Sunrise out now and yeah
43:27
40K in the sun yeah right so so you go onto this boat there's a reception in
43:32
front of you go up the stairs and it's like kind of like a bar area but that's where all the tables were and uh we kind
43:37
of like everyone had just kind of like left their armies on the table and then gone out Etc on the Saturday night
43:43
and then came back the Sunday morning for my next match up I was playing uh Julian from French war game and I go to
43:48
I deploy my Army and I'm like sort of missing you what's going on wait
43:55
wait where's my my other room Victor wall suit so I'm like someone must be playing the trick on me because I like
44:00
to play tricks on other people um so I was like I like kind of like
44:05
everyone everyone like who's got my Invicta War suit and everyone's like laughing and then I was like
44:15
um and um yeah so so ended up like not not being able to find it we're checking
44:21
everyone's table someone else had a couple of their models moved as well and um it just never turned up just so I was
44:28
like well I'm like I'm on three wins am I doing well at this tournament and even
44:33
they've been to wall suit because I've got a competitive game to play yeah yeah so anyway Pardo blessing didn't have any
44:39
other options gave me a teacup to you [Laughter]
44:44
drawing I didn't actually get gifted a teacup that now says Invicta on it
44:51
but but yeah so I was using a teacup as an Invicta water suit in a high level
44:56
competitive game nice the only thing I can imagine either Val rack stole it because he's a most likely Suspects I
45:02
don't actually think that but you know or it's in the sea because someone nicked it drunk and then threw it okay
45:11
Pirates someone out there has got a whole Space Marine Army just made up of a completely different chapters yeah all
45:18
I can hope is one day they'll split the invictory in half and they'll give it to my two like long lost sons in the future
45:24
and they'll come back together and it'll join and then yeah you've got two long lost Suns this is it's not yet so this
45:31
sounds like we should be talking about this so in your wild Seas while you're in the Navy yes
45:37
what is it power bottoms and illegitimate children let me chat to hellstone War gaming I
45:43
mean in an 80s movie called Double Impact I mean wow you could be the dad um
45:53
but anyway um yeah Barack socks that's all I can say yeah I
45:59
um came last as well to the aggressive it did yeah it was quite funny because he he got gifted a uh an inflatable
46:05
um WWE belt the Champion's belt and um basically whoever beat him won the belt
46:12
and then he ended up like going around I think Elliot started with it and then it went to like Tom and then it was like
46:18
basically like it just ended up we valak wanted it gave it away and then it ended up going back to Vara could he just gave
46:24
him back because of the last place but the good thing about it he's never mentioned it since no no so I went I I
46:32
lost the game but yeah winter Winter's won and then we ended up doing the game and I beat him too
46:37
with the same lists oh wow you know we were kind of like the teacup
46:43
yes do you replace him uh so I I actually had three already and Pardo ended up
46:50
sending me one with an iron hand shoulder pad because the joke is is I've played Blood Ravens obviously yeah but I run them as iron hands so I'm just
46:56
trying to chase her um so he sent me an iron hands upgrade sprue and an invictor bless him and then
47:01
uh yeah so I do have one I've never painted it but yeah
47:07
yeah and then in true patreon fashion the next question is just a complete
47:13
another divert Nutella or peanut butter oh um a peanut butter fan myself yeah and
47:19
porridge porridge peanut butter on porridge oh interesting excellent good
47:24
protein breakfast as well Aaron says another great guest Lance thank you Aaron thanks Aaron
47:31
question does I'm just going to read this out and I don't understand what it
47:36
means more context is needed yeah um question does the Arc of omen
47:42
Detachment and Space Marine points drop fix 40K or is it an excuse for GW to
47:48
sell more boxes than they would normally just for them to tighten their grip
47:54
for 10th edition nice was that no punctuation no they wasn't
48:00
that was a real struggle um 40K is weird it's and it's it's been
48:05
like ninth Edition is like a really really good game in my opinion I really really enjoy it um but like last year like the the
48:12
probably the case which I've always had is they write a codex and then they'll write the next one and then they'll write the next one and then they'll
48:17
start releasing them and then the design philosophyll could change halfway through and you'll see that because like
48:22
half the part like you get through halfway through an Edition and you probably know more about this than I do but from what from outside looking in
48:29
it's like halfway through they start changing their minds and doing stuff a little bit differently and um I don't
48:34
know how their play testing works but it just sounds I don't think it does well yeah
48:39
from rumors yeah at the minute no but but yeah so like when they release books
48:45
that have been playtested against a book that wasn't nerfed and has now been nerfed and then they release an army so
48:50
the votan was a good example of that I think because it was tested against nids and eldaf Elder and they hadn't been
48:59
nerfed yet so then yeah what kind of photon probably were
49:05
arguably Stronger Yeah but not by a lot but yeah Lids were much stronger than everything and dominated The Meta for
49:10
about a year was it that long and they've been nerfed and they they still dominated then got left again and still
49:15
done oh wow it's only now only now that they are like oh actually they're
49:21
actually not great they've got the completely the opposite way where they're really really hard to play now oh right so how frequently does all that
49:27
stuff change like you you said a minute ago you like something dirty met Chaser um but you play Space Marines so yeah
49:33
you generally keep it specific to that or do you play other armies if they're performing well or so at events I've
49:39
played a couple other armies in the past but pretty much now i exclusively play Space Marines yeah so like I've been to
49:45
like watermel world events like back in the past like doubles and stuff and like other stuff but yeah you know but but like as a competitive gamer in my last
49:52
like three four years where I've been trying to take it a little bit not well not seriously but you know yeah I'm going to a lot more tournaments now than
49:58
I was like five years ago yeah I only play Space Marines because I just want to be the Space Marine guy
50:04
um but but yeah so like the game now drastically changes every six months
50:09
yeah because they release a new mission pack yeah then there are updates every three months with the balance data slate
50:14
but then the problem is with that is like that doesn't sound a lot but then they release a codex every other one
50:19
maybe not for for a while we'll see but um like they'll release the balance that it's like then a codex and then another
50:26
codex or a mission pack and then another codex and a balanced data it does feel quite a lot yeah yeah yeah
50:32
um like I think everyone's kind of hopeful if if 10th edition rumors are to be true
50:38
um that kind of like it settles down for a couple of months and we kind of like enjoy this grace period because yeah it's one of those weird things I think
50:44
the game right now is the most balanced ninth Edition has been yeah ever yeah and then the other people the other like
50:51
bit people enjoy for like the best time of the game because the end of eighth edition was never a thing because of
50:56
kovid and I think it feels like ends of additions or beginning of editions are the best times yeah so beginning of the beginning of eighth edition everyone had
51:02
an index and no and everyone's kind of like play from one big book yeah everyone had a great time loved it and
51:08
then eighth edition did the let's release code exchange the design for us if everything gets really powerful and
51:13
then everything gets nerfed and then lockdown happens and everyone got that grace period but now it's kind of like the chances of them releasing codexes
51:19
now to a lot of people again I don't know I'm just guessing it's probably quite slim so we're probably going to say like a little like teetering off of
51:27
like yeah let's keep it low oh that's quite that's quite interesting yeah because I watched um I think a bit of
51:32
your stream last Monday and you were going through who'd won the tournaments on the weekend yes and it was like oh
51:37
oxygons but like there was loads of different armies had come first I think it was 13 events and 12 different armies
51:43
came first which is amazing pretty much never been seen because I because um like midi I don't tend to do it like
51:49
when a new mission pack drops so I've not done in the last couple of weeks but pretty much drawing a Monday stream I'd go through the stats and lock out and
51:56
like what's doing well what's doing bad and that's kind of like where all the clickbait comes from because when custody is released and they got a
52:02
points increase or points reduction a week after the book came out yeah but they're like oh yeah they're not strong
52:07
enough and everyone's like this and then they just won every single tournaments
52:13
um and they won like 73 of events in like two weeks or something like that oh wow that's really high because they try
52:18
and keep it to 55 yeah it wasn't 73 win rate of events so either better than
52:25
that oh Christ one that I think is quite interesting there's um because I watched the machine that is
52:31
all spectacular sometimes and he was saying that um Gene steel occult at the moment have been doing better than they
52:37
should be for the Army but they don't think it's because the armies particularly good they think there's just a very core of very smart players
52:43
currently playing Gene Steelers who've crunched them to Perfection yeah and again if they were more popular they
52:50
probably wouldn't be doing anywhere near their own tournaments it's the fact that there's only a small number of very Pro players playing them on the fans that's
52:56
interesting to see the statistics get skewed Yeah by people who are just very
53:01
good at playing an unpopular Army yeah exactly I mean I'm a narrative player and I've always like played via the
53:08
story and not really been bothered by the rules as much so when I like war cry for instance I'm a big fan of that um if
53:15
there are any amendments or FAQs I ain't gonna look at them ain't gonna care because I'm gonna play at home and I'm gonna use that book that's the thing for
53:20
me it's like when there's so many like chapter proof updates your FAQs this is why we need ring binders right everybody
53:29
yeah um and it's just like for me that's just too much effort the thing in my hand
53:34
with all the stuff even if it's slightly unbalanced because that one rule says it's three inches for every weapon yeah
53:41
as opposed to just melee weapons or whatever I'm like I can cope with that it's not the end of the world it's not going to be a big win or lose we're
53:46
playing for fun we're gonna be drinking beers and eating crisps and stuff but from a Time point of view I've got so much respect for people that just like
53:52
look at yeah all that information it's mad and I don't think my brains
53:58
equipped for that and if I if I went like we decided we're going to do a tournament I'd be like
54:03
how about I don't think my brain can do this yeah I'm just gonna paint lots of stuff and just swamp them with numbers
54:09
like that if it's not in a book yeah we just don't and it's quite funny because you read things with us better you
54:15
listen to all Spectators you go oh this Army are really struggling since the Lost armor of contempt I've never played
54:20
with the first place because it's like if it's not in a book yeah I actually made it I mean just to touch on your
54:26
point I actually made a video about that it was very clear it was me holding one of the
54:32
um chapter approved books I think I was gonna watch that I didn't get around to it last night and it said you don't need to buy this like this isn't for you or
54:37
something like that really clickbait it never thought I had the book but it's like a week early and it's just a very good Photoshop
54:43
[Applause]
54:51
I always say again tangent but like a lot a lot of people do so quite clickbait but I'm always like I was
54:57
going to say one of the questions in here talks about clickbait so yeah if you if you look at my video think
55:02
it's clickbait just just realize it's probably just ironic yeah yeah yeah yeah so just it's all talking cheek there are
55:08
people that do like click bait and then they like have a title and a thumbnail and a video that just does not match yes I always try if I've got clickbait it
55:15
kind of delivers in some sort of I call it truth that's what we call it here yeah that's true yeah it's such a broad
55:20
term yeah it's like anything that catches your eyes clickbait even though it's just yes in your eye yes yeah so
55:26
yeah like it you you the the game of YouTube like we've discussed a few times like your titles and your thumbnails
55:32
have to be bang on to get people just to click on the video yeah let alone
55:37
um do you see like a thumbnail and you you spend like you know I presume you make your thumbnails uh I make some of
55:43
them I there's a guy in Fiverr that does okay that's fine but like yeah you'll you'll sit there and you'll have it open
55:49
on Photoshop on your on a big monitoring like I'll do this and I'll do this and I'll do this yeah and then and then what
55:54
a lot of people don't realize is that it gets shrunk down to this big yeah and on a collage and everyone else's that are
56:00
also this big yeah so it has to be very in your face yeah you have to be like eye-catching yeah so sometimes yeah
56:06
bright colors arrows circles they all work yeah and you wait for a reason yeah so don't hate the player hate the game
56:12
yeah yeah yeah but speaking of games yeah yeah back to the comment about again the
56:18
good Photoshop um I the the mission packs are really good um because they they essentially The
56:25
Games Workshop again change design philosophy rather than balancing an army with by like okay Miami's really rubbish let's reduce all the points or Miami's
56:32
really good let's up the points what they started doing is obviously the band's data slate to change some call rules or Army Core rules
56:38
um but they've also started like with the fact that you have secondaries now which are and you have a lot of like
56:43
faction specific ones they start balancing the game by changing the secondaries so for example last last
56:51
mission pack necrons are really strong because they had three secondaries and you could take all three that were all
56:56
really easy to do it's very much choose three objectives in no man's land and there's usually only three hold them for
57:01
points if you hold all three get like five out of 15. yeah um or like just just exist and you get
57:07
points like um there's like doing action on an objective and um if your objectives
57:13
particularly passes the end of the detail yeah they're making their entire Army obviously secured having to hold three in no man's land and then they
57:19
just walk onto it I'll do an action here for four points so they've kind of like been balancing the game that way as well but the problem is with that is when
57:26
you're a bit more of a casual player trying to keep up with a new mission pack and your secondaries and changes here and yeah yeah
57:31
um is difficult so I always say to people like me when I'm talking about stats or the game or like armies Etc I'm
57:38
talking about the very current iteration but you don't have to play that and it sounds like a bit of a cop-out I agree
57:44
but but they sell it as a it's a tournament mission pack yeah and if you're not a tournament player why are
57:51
you buying the tournament mission pack yeah yeah now I appreciate the Casual games if you're going to like a local store or gaming Club if you're trying to
57:57
get like a pickup game then people might want to play the latest rules the latest missions which is fine
58:03
um but I think a lot of it can come down to like managing expectations and being like I'm coming for a game I just want
58:09
to use the robot missions I just want to use uh like the the old mission pack no one buys anyone I've got on eBay for
58:15
like two quid you know um and it's kind of like one of those if people like go I want to play a sort of
58:21
game I'm not looking for a tournament practice game which granted there's probably a lot of people are having practice tournament games on a Thursday
58:27
Tuesday nights or whenever they play but it's all about like kind of like having that discussion with the opponent before the game starts if you're trying
58:33
to get a pickup game but like in a group of friends if you go oh yeah we're going to play the mission pack from four years ago like who cares are we gonna use the
58:39
balance data slate yeah that's it people also forget that as well doing these when when people moan about moving on
58:45
additions there's no rule saying you have to no again it sounds like a cop-out yeah but I don't think it is I
58:51
know people at the moment on on Facebook group please I'm gonna wear outdoor and Third Edition yeah people are just
58:57
really enjoying the Third Edition I know the problem being is that they keep making sexy new models and then you can't play them because there's no rules
59:02
for them if they're positioned but I think as well if you just enjoy the core of a game and you go that's what I want
59:08
to play then yeah like I say Games Workshop can't come around boot your door in and stop you look at Ninth age
59:13
which is like the ninth Edition fantasy yeah it never existed but the the fan base made it right but I've got to say
59:19
the the thing that solidifies my point now is do you know the boarding actions rules that they have by yeah that
59:24
they're releasing with all the cool terrain and stuff um it says that because because obviously match play narrative play open
59:31
play and now boarding actions is like a separate version of all of that like the balanced data slate the latest points
59:36
are all for matched play so in boarding actions it specifically says we won't be it doesn't use the balance data slate
59:42
it's just that you view codex so you can kind of like it kind of like solidifies that fact it's like oh just because
59:48
we're releasing all of these updated rules I don't actually have to pay any attention I could use my really broke
59:53
intimidated codex with no FAQ if I really wanted to yeah so if you're going to play like friendly games that don't
59:59
use much match play Missions play with the FAQ but that's then that's like your codex and nine pieces of paper that you
1:00:05
need to print out or whatever but it's kind of like just like make the game your own just because Games Workshop does it one way for tournament Players
1:00:11
doesn't mean you have to play like that you can do what you want basically end of the day just do what you want yeah I
1:00:16
mean no one cares I don't know if there's something about as hobbyists and as collectors that we feel the need to to get the new thing and play the new
1:00:23
thing because if I look back now my favorite edition of Warhammer is probably fifth edition where I I have a
1:00:29
favorite forth where you built by the units and mostly old art and photography was just like 10 guys 15 guys but you
1:00:37
didn't have unit Champions you'd have like a champion as a separate thing that you pay and equipped and stuff yeah from the list and it's very old it's like
1:00:44
what mid mid 90s sort of Edition rules but I really like that rule so as years
1:00:49
have gone on it's got more complicated they're more trimmed down they're more complicated and I think to myself it's like
1:00:55
because a new rule system comes up doesn't mean you have to play it right yeah but we all feel we should yeah my
1:01:00
my group of friends when we play it's like lead Star Wars Legion has brought out new rules and they've got like a cool thing called Special Operations a
1:01:07
bit like kill team yeah the beta but I'm like well I can't just play the existing rules because I've got the rule book all
1:01:12
the stuff's Now on my phone if I want to get it but if my phone I can't get on internet access I can't play the game
1:01:18
yeah because all the rules are on the internet and I could use my 4G but I don't want to I want to use that book that I've paid money for oh yeah yeah
1:01:25
exactly exactly so and it's really weird it's like like um I mean Rhodes used to play Black Powder a lot and then they
1:01:30
brought a new black power down it's like oh I'm building my Army up and we'll we'll play a game when the new rules come out why can't we play a game using
1:01:37
the existing ones yeah yeah I don't understand why we have to wait for this magical book that is probably the same
1:01:42
information yeah just repackaged it's just it's it's it's I suppose you could say it's strange but at the same time
1:01:47
you can kind of understand it because yeah the new thing and the player base is also an issue as well so if you're
1:01:53
like well ninth Edition is then popular 40K games has probably ever had yeah if you're trying to play four four yeah it
1:01:59
wasn't as popular and people who are still playing it is probably very very slim yeah but people so go back to Third
1:02:06
Edition and play that you know goblin Green bases Etc this they love it you know yeah he doesn't love goblin Green bases exactly yeah yeah I mean I mean
1:02:12
retro painting videos always do well yeah on the old algorithm don't they it's just interesting I just found it's
1:02:18
like a psychological thing when when it's the new shiny thing everyone just has to do it and fear using something that's old I mean yeah I've got space
1:02:24
okay for like a new space all came out should I stop using that space or yeah and only play the new one I'm afraid
1:02:29
that's capitalism [Laughter]
1:02:36
so uh another one from one of us Potters says uh so I need to preface this by
1:02:41
saying your hellstone War gaming and there's a channel called Hellstorm gaming and it says what do you think of
1:02:48
Hellstorm gaming and how he potentially has 22 of your subscribers GW DW wouldn't let this copyright abuse
1:02:56
slide lots of love Gaz kiss
1:03:04
but it's quite funny because people like call me Helston gaming yeah they always miss them I think peachy you did earlier
1:03:12
I don't pull people up on that anymore yeah he's funny sorry everyone Channel
1:03:20
names really pigeonhole you don't need a little bit because yeah I'll stop wargaming so I can't really do anything else other than wargaming I've kind of
1:03:25
like shoot on myself yeah yeah because um I feel like I'm a bit more of a like variety streamer now I do a little bit
1:03:32
of everything rather than be really exclusively when I started I did battle reports as well you know we've got paint
1:03:37
in the title and we do a show every week where we don't talk someone comments about okay where's the painting
1:03:46
generally every Thursday or Friday yeah yeah we're working on it yeah it's funny it's funny so I've always considered
1:03:52
changing it just to Hellstorm because people call me just Hellstorm gaming sometimes they'll call me wargaming but
1:03:58
I go by Hellstorm Nike in most places now yes yeah it's like your Twitter handle is yeah but I always think there's no point in a big Rebrand if you
1:04:04
do something yeah I'm actually gonna do something crazy yeah so speaking from another content creator who's pigeonholed himself Pete the wargamer
1:04:11
what a Legend um and we're gonna have everyone in a couple of weeks
1:04:17
um nice you can choose one 40K faction to be completely overhauled both rules and Miniatures but another faction must
1:04:24
be completely deleted from existence oh my Lord which ones do you choose oh God
1:04:29
oh God
1:04:38
yeah the only time model I've ever wanted to paint is actually the new Fire site because it's super Gundam anime
1:04:43
yeah with like the blossom trees on the base and stuff yeah yeah I leaned right
1:04:49
into that Japanese things yeah so that's not out yet so we delete the faction that'll still come out right yeah why
1:04:55
not so that started why would I like overhauled um I'd love to well
1:05:03
I don't know because I love I love a bit of something about every Army is really cool everything has its own like little
1:05:08
bit of character that's a really cop-out answer I think Orcs need a big overhaul yeah yeah because they just released
1:05:14
just like drag cars didn't they you know yeah five ten years a couple of characters from a board game that they
1:05:21
made and then yeah they're just like oh we should reuse these somewhere else no it was it was I think
1:05:28
oh yeah yeah the racing game they shoot each other yeah but he's trying to again
1:05:34
capture that Nostalgia of God come on he was trying to do gokamokin uh it was dark future
1:05:40
um but with Orcs yeah I'm trying to be a bit of both of those but with larger Vehicles yeah a small table yes you know
1:05:47
you know how it is um but but yeah so like if they do I think if they just read it orbs completely and just like proper update
1:05:54
of them properly because they are boys even though they're released that new like Snap fit type kit which is nice but
1:06:00
they're still selling the old ones as well because they come with all the options yeah yeah because the ones that are in the combat Patrol yeah
1:06:06
um it's like Shooters and stabbies it's like a mix into it yeah yeah and you
1:06:12
can't yeah yeah Choppers that's the worst one uh stickers cool uh what are
1:06:18
your expectations hopes and fears for 10th edition uh hopes and fears well my biggest fear
1:06:24
is I'm a tournament organizer and I'm yeah and I'm expanding to a large event
1:06:29
at the end of the year yeah I was looking at that yeah and it's I'm really excited for it but I'm manufacturing all
1:06:34
the terrain myself I have a 3D printing room who knows it took like five 3D
1:06:40
printers wearing away all day every day yeah and just really hoping they don't change terrain too drastically because
1:06:45
that is going to be very expensive yeah a very expensive couple and stressful couple of months yeah um because I feel
1:06:52
like I'm nearly done for it for October so I've got quite a while to paint it what kind of changes would would it be
1:06:57
then so obviously you know someone that plays games for fun oh so you don't play games
1:07:03
what you do have a great time but I don't worry about like how the train interacts it's just there's there's a
1:07:09
cool narrative hook for me to play the game sure how would the terrain what what's what what happens with it now
1:07:15
that could change and what we're trying to say yeah I understand even though you're not saying
1:07:21
what would be a drastic change yeah yeah exactly so what you've done now what does it what does that look like in comparison to what would the change be
1:07:27
and how would that affect it because to me a Hill's a hill right yeah yeah is it the size of it is it it's the pro the
1:07:33
thing is with Terrain in like in a in a tournament at the minute is that it's all about like it's like a a the
1:07:40
function of the table is very important for like not getting Alpha strike so by basically by that I mean like you don't
1:07:46
want you don't want to be able to put your army down on a board and have nothing in your deployment Zone and your opponent just rolls all their tanks up
1:07:52
like I played at an army this weekend which was a Beyblade three-row got Dawns and three Lehman rushers that was the entire Army and Lord so are the horse
1:07:59
man oh yeah oh yeah exactly and imagine if you played
1:08:06
against that if that was 2 000 points so like a standard 40K game and then you deploy your army of Space Marines and
1:08:11
dreadnoughts Etc that doesn't move very fast and has some guns but not great but but there's like nothing in the middle
1:08:17
kind of like some trees in a hill and then they go first and they just absolutely obliterate your entire Army
1:08:23
yeah and it's like okay my turn one I've got a captain left he's got some scouts over there or whatever you know
1:08:28
um and that'd be awful right so the whole point of terrain is like especially especially now it's like kind of there's a lot of discussions we'll
1:08:35
call it on Twitter people complaining about the L-shaped building which is like the tournament like standard of
1:08:41
terrain yeah but the whole point of like those types of like terrain shapes is the fact that I can like I might have
1:08:46
one in my deployment Zone there might be like a couple in the middle and they might they'll have one in theirs and the whole point of it is it creates like a
1:08:53
safe space for you to like deploy your army and now you're probably able to get angles and they'll be able to like you know drive a Beyblade up the side of the
1:08:59
board and see down okay well that's not very good because they'll do the same thing so we'll put like a piece of terrain here for example and then same
1:09:06
on the other side and and that's why you see like a lot of type of like mirrored yeah yeah mirror terrain because I mean
1:09:11
odd terrain I roll off I roll the six I choose the best side you get the worst one and the same thing happens so
1:09:17
function of terrain like a tournament format is to to protect you to actually create a game because you don't want someone to come down and just obliterate
1:09:23
you yeah got you um so the problem is is like the terrain at the minute is a lot of it's quite abstract because
1:09:30
obviously the obscuring keyword is a thing so for everyone who doesn't know what that is but it's like basically for
1:09:35
buildings five inches high then if you have um if you don't have too many wounds so Imperial Knights don't benefit
1:09:40
from it but um essentially you block the windows and it's infinitely high so you actually
1:09:46
can't see through it um and what that does is like so you have all of this terrain that's like certain Heights Etc that can you can
1:09:52
hide behind or you have Woods which creates like a miners want to hit because it's dense yeah yeah so you have like all of these keywords that kind of
1:09:58
like make terrain function better than probably should do because it's kind of like I think it might be a bit of a
1:10:03
bandage while Games Workshop makes pretty pretty terrain with holes of Windows and stuff but then you see you
1:10:09
put it on the board and it's like oh yeah I can through these five buildings I can see through your windows yeah yeah again the same problem yeah so my
1:10:16
biggest fear is they just nuke what they've done with terrain and starting because like I like I'll play it warm
1:10:22
the world this weekend and they're doing what the US Open and doing where they have like perspex so for the terrain but
1:10:27
if you've seen that no no so um again I'll put like pictures on Twitter but what they essentially have is like they
1:10:32
have like a piece of 12 12 by 12 inch uh square piece of perspects and they have
1:10:37
buildings on it right and all of that counts as a building so what you essentially get again obscuring you have
1:10:42
this big brick yeah that you can't see through yeah yeah interesting which is a kind of again another bandage to be like
1:10:48
we make holes in our window in our building so we need to make it so function so you've got like these big bricks of terrain but then as soon as
1:10:54
you're touching the perspex then it kind of goes to like true line of sight so it's like if there's a window you can
1:10:59
actually see through it whereas if you're not touching it you can't yeah it's always been my biggest bug bear through all the time of playing 40K is
1:11:07
scenery yeah because it looks pretty but it's it it's like you've got to balance
1:11:12
that prettiness to make it look cold make it you know at one point in time if you can see one guy you can see the
1:11:17
squad yeah I suppose I'm like Skirmish of like necam under yeah like my new [ __ ] of like no matter where you are
1:11:23
you'll be able to like trace your sniper yeah yeah I can see through those three windows and take a picture it's like full cover so I'm at minus one but I've
1:11:30
got this scope I can do this I've got these benefits and minuses was shot in a million got him that feels
1:11:36
good right in the game yeah like 40K that's just that's going to slow the game down so much right and it's just
1:11:41
too much information yeah it's kind of like if you think about that it's kind of like I've got one guy with a sniper
1:11:47
shooting one other guy was he thought okay you've got a Titan yeah he's got two guns rocket pod yeah heavy stubbers
1:11:53
to work there and it walks forward and just shoots seven different targets it just deletes them all yeah yeah so like
1:11:58
the the amount of Firepower that is available from like one single unit and they can just see everything yeah it's
1:12:04
like really hard to manage so that's why terrain now with all these extra keywords that they've added is really
1:12:10
interesting yeah and it makes it so you can have like these fair boards that also look quite cool yeah
1:12:16
um so I've seen an lvo that they have that mirrored thing when I used to have a little wand around these yeah so like
1:12:22
a couple years ago to use mode now you use player placed where you have like the same type of terrain because like a lot of times they have like a standard
1:12:27
setup so it's like okay like for my events I actually run five different types of tables so I like table one to
1:12:33
five it's all different terrain types but they all are from like different tournaments I like going from like the
1:12:38
WTC the team championships the LGT um I got one from Prague from game Matt and then I've got like the perspects
1:12:44
from GW and I've got like my own version of player placed yeah um because a lot of tournaments the problem is with them in my opinion is
1:12:50
there's no personality because it's like okay table one you're playing this Mission and this terrain you go to table two and it's the same Mission Center in
1:12:57
a sector etc etc so I like to use a mix but like having these like layouts for each Mission again because the
1:13:03
deployment zone is in this area and um you're gonna have these buildings in the middle and you have a building in your
1:13:08
deployment Zone and then you play different Mission you rearrange it all again um makes it fair but then they're like
1:13:14
the US of like again like they've been trying out this play a place where you have a side and the players deploy their
1:13:19
army in certain ways uh boot for the terrain that they can actually put in their deployment Zone okay so you
1:13:25
actually see like really weird meta shifts and by better I mean like the the most competitive armies all the armies
1:13:31
are doing the best in in one area or on what in one um Mission format so like in the US you
1:13:38
see combat armies do really well because they use a lot of player Place terrain where they can put a building in the
1:13:44
perfect place where they can stage a combat Army yeah I mean they can go team one I'm safe I mean you're building yeah
1:13:50
I'll move out into this building I'm still safe ten three charge delete
1:13:55
um which is quite interesting because again you've kind of got like well like a sub game of like I'm gonna I'm gonna put my terrain piece there so they can
1:14:02
put theirs there I'm gonna jump over and kill everything whereas some tournaments it's all preset so you kind of like well
1:14:07
I can't I don't have that on this Mission so I can't take this type of Army and then you see like really weird different matters I like again combat
1:14:13
armies in the US do really well sometimes they don't do so well here because a lot of the boards are a lot of big toilets use uh favor shooting armies
1:14:19
so interesting yeah that's a very long answer questions I don't think players
1:14:25
in tournaments should be allowed to set scenery no it's it's strange because it's definitely strange you know without
1:14:30
I don't know it's extraordinarily abstract but you know it's not like when I've spent any time in the military went you know if we could just shove that
1:14:37
building a seven foot that way we'd be able to see that bridge oh I don't know they used to dig big holes here you've
1:14:42
got the trench warfare yeah is that not a real-life version
1:14:51
of the way to be able to guard the bridge it's you know think personally I always think the
1:14:56
rules for buildings should be extraordinarily basic and I think where the rules for how a weapon
1:15:05
um interacts with scenery should be embedded into the weapon yeah not bedded
1:15:10
into the scenery okay a prime example a guy with a sniper rifle shooting a
1:15:16
hopefully someone's head in a window yeah makes sense or it is one thing but
1:15:21
then you're getting on the blower and tell them more to platoon to hit that with that building they're going to do a
1:15:27
significant different level of damage yeah which is going to affect more people in it than it is than the sniper
1:15:33
but the problem being is they're going well what the sniper can do in 40K and what the Titan does in 40K you've got to
1:15:41
have this it's homogenized sort of rule system yeah and I think you go no ego if
1:15:46
it's the vehicle can obliterate the build and in the point of getting to the
1:15:51
men inside then I think it should be baked I know he becomes problem is that you go and going well that building was
1:15:57
four floors I and now the Titan City we've got to take two floors off that I get there's a problem perfect but I do
1:16:04
think it should be baked into the gun not baked into the scenery personally I think the problem then is you kind of go
1:16:10
too far the other way where you kind of said like terrain's really confusing because it has oh I can see you but
1:16:16
there's an imaginary cloud of smoke that I can't see you now where you're adding complexity to the Army then so then
1:16:22
trying to work out you've got 25 different guns in your army yeah how many of them can shoot through buildings
1:16:27
how many can take a floor off yeah and that's kind of like another complex I think you know I think I would go right
1:16:33
well you know not many buildings in 40K generally have a roof anyway you know so I generally would go yeah the sniper's
1:16:41
gonna struggle you know the sniper guy firing sniper firing into there minus one to hit because of the scenery or
1:16:47
whatever but then if the Imperial Knight's fighting into it maybe not minus one for scenery because his gun
1:16:53
wouldn't struggle with the with the wooden struggle with the bricks and mortar in the same ways yeah sure do you
1:16:59
know anything I think personally and yet you go it becomes a complexity of guns but I also think it didn't take long for us to
1:17:06
go you know we all understand the plasmas go bang on the one if you supercharge them we know Plasma's used to just go bang on a one anyway and you
1:17:13
just learn to get used to it but I think yeah I think it should be personally yeah sure in my opinion should be batted
1:17:18
into the gun not better than the scenery because again it creates its own problems like we've spoken about like the Desolation Squad they have indirect
1:17:24
fire yeah which is cool so they don't need line of sight with their little little tiny Rockets to see something to actually well to shoot it
1:17:31
um and when they're doing that in in match play now you again you reduce the ballistic skill because you can't see
1:17:36
and you give the opponent an extra cover save because you're going through all these buildings yeah yeah but then if you shoot through shoot over Woods even
1:17:42
though you imagine a mortar or something similar goes up and over parabolic fire yeah it goes over the thing so you have
1:17:49
a tree this big in the middle of the board and my mortars are going over here but if my line of firing crosses over
1:17:54
that wood I still suffer the the problem with the wood because it creates a minus one to hit yeah so even though even
1:18:01
though this wood is in the middle I'm firing over I still I still like suffer the the detriment for shooting over it
1:18:07
which again that's a problem because I think you probably should ignore that right yeah I think where they're going with that is the idea that the person
1:18:13
who is if we go mildly real well for a moment is having to try and give the order to
1:18:20
his mortar team over where they're fine if he's struggling because his Woods in front of me he's having to sort of put a
1:18:26
wet finger in there yeah and sort of go how far do we think that is what do I reckon so I sort of get it but I also
1:18:32
think as well you I see the other side of that if it's firing over the top of it then it should you know you're going
1:18:37
well why do you should you yeah you know I think the idea is meant to become that bit of the rule like for me is that
1:18:44
comes down to the person not being able to give the command order to place those to place their mortars you know yeah
1:18:51
because it's it's a it's a you know and in real world now it wouldn't be a problem because a drone would just tell
1:18:57
you how far you are or a reconnaissance platoon would already be there and they would have fed it back to multiple
1:19:02
platoon and that's the problem why 40K becomes extraordinarily abstract is because you have a game where no one is allowed
1:19:10
to realistically talk to each other the closest you got was Marco lights with towel yeah but you know no one else does
1:19:15
it even though realistically if you had a team of Imperial guards over there and
1:19:21
then the mortars were back here yeah you wouldn't suffer that minus one because the guy over there would go yeah that's
1:19:26
about 17. I'm sure at least some rules currently because for example uh if you
1:19:31
have indirect fire I think there's a stratagem for Space Marines to be like if a land speed is nearby and he could see them he could yeah tell them you get
1:19:38
plus ones ahead instead but I think about it and that's great but I think if everybody's got a mark one eyeball everybody should be you know should be
1:19:45
going I can't give me a you know yeah can we all know that tree please
1:19:52
all realistically all the other option is you go tank get rid of that bit of Forest for me either by driving through
1:19:59
or killing it yeah then I've got a whole lot I can see through and then I can do this so I've heard it's from multiple
1:20:06
sources that once you've been in the armed forces you can't watch action films because like grenades explode into
1:20:12
a fiery yeah which I literally I like yeah but is it is it the same for
1:20:18
wargaming now the rules the rules of the rules and and
1:20:24
terrain has to exist and all that sort of stuff but then I guess could you be like well if it was real that tank could just drive through it I understand it
1:20:31
has to be abstract I get it because yeah if you started to try to make it that reflected albeit my outdated
1:20:38
understanding of warfare drones weren't really a thing yeah when I was in you know nowadays guys go
1:20:44
we can't see over there and someone literally does a running javel and throw and there's a drone in the air and then someone sits down there on the back of a
1:20:51
Land Rover with an Xbox controller yeah and then 10 minutes later comes back and go yeah you're right but then mortar's
1:20:56
off you go you know so I understand it's abstract but I think sometimes it it
1:21:01
gets diluted to the point where you go and just standard understanding of human even Orcs would be able to go you're
1:21:08
that far away you know what I mean licking the fingers
1:21:15
you know and especially I'll tell you another one you would think of is you think of you know everyone it's a hive
1:21:21
mind if there's an indirect fire for an intimidate base the idea is is
1:21:27
that that whole Army of timid should all if you should think of them as like ants every tyranid in that Army should know
1:21:33
the same piece of information as everybody else and exactly the same thing because they constantly go on and
1:21:38
going they're a hive mind they're a hive mind they're a hive mind but you go there's tyranids over there don't know what the tyranids over there can can
1:21:45
know that's synapse creatures Jeff yeah I know we're going to take them out mate yeah
1:21:51
and I do think it it is it is yeah you're right if you start trying to
1:21:56
apply and I get it you start trying to apply real world we add this with pouches
1:22:04
well I was gonna say in that in that context are you the player not the hive mind
1:22:14
but you still then get penalized for the fact that you can't shoot over that wood because you tune in your home against
1:22:21
over there should be telling the big thing you're going You're that far away there's there's clouds and stuff in the
1:22:28
way so they can't quite see we go with my favorites the fog of War it's a great it's a great gun
1:22:37
really dark baby I never understood why anybody bothers its platoon because you
1:22:43
can just go don't bother send them guys make the [ __ ] world if you ever watched Brooklyn Nine-Nine
1:22:48
uh on occasion if any of you guys should watch it yeah so there's there's a scene where Captain Hull um gets really really
1:22:56
angry um at a dentist and how doctors have
1:23:01
co-opted the word doctor um and then it just kind of does a smash coat and he's like oh that seemed to be
1:23:08
a bit of a trigger for me I feel like we've just done this
1:23:14
no don't apologize I just know how to push your buttons now yeah it's recorded
1:23:19
everyone does yeah yeah exactly my answer is I play my answer to that and I know it sounds awful because we are
1:23:25
predominantly a 40K channel is um are we well it's what we talk about
1:23:31
it a lot of the Rings you know the my the get out of clothes
1:23:37
for that is if you want to play 40K in a way that makes more sense is you play 40K but with star grunt rules
1:23:54
they're clever one with them which I also think is we'll talk about this with um we were talking about this with James
1:24:00
of the week when we're saying that is now the d62 restrictive and it was um uh
1:24:05
they were talking about that in your army you um you draw from a hat how Elite your troops are okay and you know
1:24:12
not only did you draw how your troops are you draw how Elite their Commander is so you can have a really cracked team
1:24:18
of guys whose officer has been killed and are now being led by a guy who's not great or you can have a great leader and
1:24:24
a really average team but they're saying is that depends on how Elite or how low level your troops are when it
1:24:30
comes to firing the number of faces on their dice is different oh interesting so I've got to
1:24:37
roll something like a five put your role on the D20 you're likely Hood to get in a five is going to become much more difficult but the more Elite you are
1:24:44
your dice comes down inside in face sizes which I think is a rule I think's really clever yeah there's quite a few
1:24:50
games at doing that because they say you mentioned Star Wars Legion they have different dice yeah guns and saves Etc yeah which I think is really clever yeah
1:24:56
I think that's cool but there's also um is it manifold rolling dice they draw
1:25:01
from a deck of like like 52 cards like just normal playing cards and then depending what they draw that's like
1:25:07
kind of like yeah the old deciphers old Star Wars card game used to just have a number in the top right corner that was
1:25:13
literally there that you turned you you used it as a
1:25:20
yeah I don't think it would be a drastic change because that would annoy a lot of tournament Players right if it was like if you build a list and then it's like
1:25:27
oh they're all numpties and they don't roll very well just rolling for fives and hoping for
1:25:34
the best yeah the one that was great was like if you fired um if you were firing a sniper your sniper wasn't on the table
1:25:42
you didn't effectively have a model for it you just had three numbers okay and you could set them out X amounts of
1:25:47
distance apart and your opponent would have to go I'm going to shoot at number three I'd
1:25:54
assume that that's where the sniper was and then and you go no I've written it down the sniper was here and then in the
1:25:59
next turn you could change the number to where the sniper was again but if your opponents had no model a fictitious drone up you
1:26:06
couldn't have one two and three down you could just have one and two interesting yeah another game that does that is infinity because they just oh yeah
1:26:14
I used to play Infinity way back at the beginning so they put like certain like tokens down and then as soon as you see
1:26:19
the token then it reveals what it is for example yeah we used to do one with um Japanese um in the Japanese Army they'd be um
1:26:26
ninjas yeah and they wore like really really good camouflage just to get really close to one before it forced to
1:26:32
reveal so at the start of the game which was great of having a mobile phone camera was you put the you put the ninja
1:26:38
down where he was photographed him you know Poland turned their back yeah and took the miniature off and then when you
1:26:45
you wandered by and you go haha yeah oh and you go yeah
1:26:52
exactly I think it's quite cool that's cool I like that extra level of interaction I think it's pretty cool yeah it's good for skirmish games now
1:26:58
the problem is with like Warhammer yeah oh yeah yeah it's just it's just a big army game that people just yeah
1:27:06
it has to be because some you know if you depends how you play guards I used to play guard back in the day and you I
1:27:13
was like shoving like 90 men around yeah you know not including tanks no I understand a level of abstract is
1:27:18
required so by what by that everything I've said the last 10 minutes to ignore it I didn't say that you did
1:27:27
moving on yeah positive people attempt position I hope
1:27:32
they reduce uh well like uh fix that people's woes of stratagems and command points yeah so that's the biggest
1:27:39
complaint I think and um do you think there's too many um I think I think there's probably quite a lot that are just rubbish that
1:27:46
you don't need either yeah as a death guard player there is a bolt yeah I just don't even bother looking at yeah so
1:27:52
like like the list I use this weekend I spend all my command points before the game starts on upgrades I start with
1:27:58
zero oh right wow um but you gain one every turn now anyway um and there's like three that I use
1:28:04
that are good but you can either build your list for them and people get overwhelmed by them but I feel like if
1:28:09
you just go right my list can do this that strategory is really good so I'll put that unit in that actually interacts with it and I've got like magic the
1:28:16
Gathering cards that I've customized with all the text on nice so I can like go okay here you go it's the updated version as well
1:28:22
um so I'm like so I don't have to like oh it should have been ethical yeah yeah um but I feel like if you just like I I
1:28:27
think I forgot made a video about making cheat sheets for your army so I like on literally just a spreadsheet right in my Army write my wallet right what it does
1:28:34
in shorthand oh yeah this in the command phase this unit can choose a unit within
1:28:40
nine and now it can re-roll hit roses just like command phase nine inch we will hit hit yeah yeah you know what I
1:28:45
mean sometimes there's too much text I think which to make it clear which is fine but yeah when people when there's
1:28:50
like rules that like transfer a lot throughout the game there's like a warlord tray in 40K for a dracary which
1:28:56
is called Competitive Edge and basically when they attack uh it's not going to succubus for example make some attacks
1:29:02
and I don't know how many attacks they get but if anything doesn't wound then they get to roll those extra that extra
1:29:07
amount so if they have to have attacks and two don't win they roll two more okay and then custodies have that I can't remember what it's called Orcs
1:29:12
have that camera it's called but everyone just calls it Competitive Edge yeah yeah because they know what it means but that's kind of like a cheat sheet in yourself you know but just like
1:29:19
taking the stratagems and stuff like that you can actually interact with write those down you don't need to know the other 30 or 50 or whatever you've
1:29:25
got you know because I've got like Facebook have a codex which has got like 30 and then they have a supplement which has another 20 or whatever and again
1:29:31
it's an interesting thing though because I mean I get that with uh Legion and from like playing uh necromander you get
1:29:38
like gang tactics you get like obviously strata gyms someone obviously wrote them for a reason yeah and I'm like
1:29:46
and yeah why so like I've got you know when you get like let's say I bought like um some Mandos first Legion you get
1:29:54
load of extra um cards that are for that unit upgrades that unit then you just get your generic
1:29:59
ones yeah the Uplink and Recon and Camo cloaks and grappling hooks and like some
1:30:04
of them are just like I'll use that that's cool because I want to you know there's a lot of buildings in this this one's really useful for this game we're
1:30:09
gonna play which is going to be in the streets of Coruscant that makes sense of grappling dogs this one I've never used
1:30:14
it up to this point ever and I don't know when I'm ever going to use it why does it exist someone obviously thought that this rule would make sense
1:30:20
commissioned art yeah for it and then made it into a card yeah so why does it
1:30:26
exist when no one uses it yeah it's it's strange and I've always wondered that like you know what was in the head what was the thought process yeah and like
1:30:32
you you obviously experienced this more with like the tournament scene like there's just so many strategies that just don't get used yeah like I mentioned earlier with the the land
1:30:39
speeder if you have a whale wind and a land speeder a British is right it might be making it up I can't quite remember
1:30:44
because it but the land speeder that is within
1:30:49
range of whatever can see this unit then you get plus one to hit and that's a command point and it's like
1:30:55
so I need to take these two units and to be no very specific position yeah can you use it okay yeah make the land speed
1:31:01
across more and bake it into its rules it's exactly and that's what the again change of design philosophy I'm using
1:31:07
the very first nine finishing codecs whereas if you look at the world eaters codecs they have eight stratagems unless
1:31:13
you're playing Disciples of the red Angel then they have another eight to play with uh but they're like the eight bound and the corners
1:31:19
Etc all have lots of special rules on their data sheet which is kind of what they used to do yeah and then they ripped them out made them into
1:31:25
stratagems and now they've come and gone the other way again and realized maybe went a bit too far interesting but that
1:31:30
Whirlwind thing just thinking about it like yeah sure checked that before I'd like that so that was the rule it has to
1:31:37
be this particular land speeder and yeah particular Whirlwind why can't you be any squad that can see that thing
1:31:42
because they've all got headsets don't get him started
1:31:53
speed up um forward Observer it's forwards Observer eight points more
1:31:59
you cut he's in this he's in the land speeder or he's not yeah minus one to hit or or you don't pay the
1:32:07
uh the price for indirect fire over a forest whatever you want to call it dense is the the dense rule is dropped
1:32:13
if you've got someone you can see I wish I could get rid of that for me please
1:32:22
yeah it's it's it's funny and again I think they've kind of like worked out that like people are quite annoyed with
1:32:28
it and getting disheartened with it and they've started to make changes with it so I just hope they deal with it but they'll go too far because I think
1:32:34
command point is like command points as a system is really really fun yes okay it's another resource you've got to manage and plan for yeah no I think I've
1:32:42
always went out I've seen people use it it makes sense and it's cool it's like oh yeah I've got a limited resource of cool stuff I can do extra which makes a
1:32:48
lot of sense but yeah if there's just rules that no one uses get rid yeah or make it yeah
1:32:55
I mean yeah yeah so cool so I think we might have time just for one or two more questions sure uh so first one now GW is
1:33:03
finally listening to you about cycling this bruise winky face um they put they put the Emoji in there
1:33:10
um if you got invited to the table to talk to them directly what would be your number one priority to get sorted next
1:33:17
oh well in what regard I guess they don't specify oh okay so I guess I guess
1:33:23
on the bottom of that tank in something and that is if you're
1:33:28
bringing um because I've seen that video where you talk about recycling if you're bringing Spruce into those stores let's say every
1:33:35
store eventually has it like it's like a specific bin that um Tara is it called Terror yeah terracycle terracycle again
1:33:41
perfect name for a 40 carries yeah yeah very good it's very good you should be rewarded I agree yeah because we used to
1:33:47
do the schools thing back in the day that's sorry Liz she hates what it says back in the day
1:33:52
still yeah like on ready to go but that would be such an incentive to keep hold of your sprues to bring them in because
1:33:58
everyone's getting reward from it because that sprue doesn't really when at the end of the day it's pennies to the business
1:34:04
um but it means they can make more product because most of the bases so this is something that early days I
1:34:09
didn't realize was they used to use white plastic it was like a white die and it looked really
1:34:15
shapeless which is why they put black in to so you can see the definition like if you remember the old metal figures they
1:34:21
used to put boot polish or wash over the top of metal figures so you can see all the difference yeah
1:34:27
um especially in the old pictures oh yeah absolutely so the old Plastics really used to be like white it was almost almost translucent to a certainly
1:34:32
so you couldn't see any definition yeah and so that's why they end up putting black in there to make it gray so you could see like all the different angles
1:34:37
and stuff but at the time when they were recycling Spruce they couldn't just recycle the gray because they were
1:34:43
changing color too much yeah so they used to just Bungalow to Black in so most of the Recycled sprues went back
1:34:50
um let's say like a load of Marines just got recycled you'd be staying on dead Marines yeah down the line because it
1:34:55
would turn into bases whereas when we're in the schools whereas in the studios they used to have
1:35:01
recycling bins and you could put colored ones in there you could put any kind of not just I think for a time it just wasn't a paint on the model one of the
1:35:09
experiences with paint on the sprues if you undercoat the sprues and you can't recycle those
1:35:14
um so I know that it goes back to the business it doesn't really cost them that much from that point of view yeah
1:35:20
but for us we spent a lot of money on that if I'm taking that trip down and
1:35:27
weighing myself down from a charity shop I take stuff to the charity shop because it's for charity they're gonna that that
1:35:33
money's gonna be used for good yeah yeah whereas this money is going to be used for company not communism
1:35:40
Jesus
1:35:48
but yeah so it's like you know it doesn't cost them anything that you taking all this yeah exactly you should
1:35:54
get reward for it I reckon there probably isn't like some sort of monetary value per ton probably you know if they're selling it to this company to
1:36:01
go turn it into something you know someone's benefiting somewhere they're not not can't do everything for free you
1:36:06
know it's going back to the business I'm sure yeah so um Workshop Parks
1:36:14
I want to ride the Saurus Warrior awful but we're brilliant at the same
1:36:21
time but yeah they should be some sort of Rewards program I think again like why bother like yeah if you don't like
1:36:28
for me I don't tend to go into a workshop store too much because I go to like local stores or I audit online like
1:36:33
most of his days yeah yeah you know and um he's always been that thing that's like people going into the the workshop
1:36:40
stores are kind of like they'll learn to play by their stuff and then go you know um so like watch that why should I make
1:36:46
the trip to go and deliver some stuff because I want to recycled that's great yeah but for a lot of people don't they
1:36:51
don't care sadly you know yeah I mean that's a problem that's a culture problem you know but they don't they
1:36:56
don't why they're chucking the bin yeah you know what I mean then it gets taken away they don't have to think about it yeah well yeah it should be recycled
1:37:01
that'd be really good if everyone did it and then overwhelm uh games all of these old sprues they're gonna go [ __ ] for
1:37:07
little bit of parks everywhere um but yeah it's just a bit of a bit of
1:37:14
a funny one yeah I think there should be some sort of reward system I don't know how much because then you just might create a bit of a black market for old
1:37:20
Spruce which also you don't want yeah yeah yeah I'm just thinking now we
1:37:25
should have Workshop theme parks I'm just thinking of all the different rides you can have the Whirlwind sounds like it should be fun we should have a death
1:37:32
roller definitely and then the teacups right
1:37:39
I love it first priority no idea I don't want that job yeah yeah that's a perfect
1:37:45
Fair answer yeah there's a lot they could do there's a lot of this with again the keyboard Warrior shout out to you guys love you all and that I'm sure
1:37:53
they probably all have better ideas than I do but yeah they're doing a lot of good stuff you know sometimes it feels a
1:37:59
bit like they've stabbed twisted and then just like give you an ice cream to like make it feel better when they start
1:38:04
taking micro Plastics out the Basin kits then that'll be great yeah exactly we got rid of sand which is on the beach
1:38:12
well there is a shortage of sand I think just in general for like uh good destruction and all that stuff
1:38:17
especially here it's all covered in crap yeah quite literally but yeah I mean I
1:38:23
think Batman and blizzard has microplastics and I think they all do to be fair so yeah so yeah it's a big
1:38:28
problem because and it's just it comes down to like not laziness but like if you need an incentive it's the same
1:38:34
with like um 3D printing because that generates so much waste and it's kind of like it's resin and it's like a like a chemical
1:38:41
reaction you can't really resize it right now yeah frame is different yeah exactly and then so like I don't know a
1:38:48
lot of that does go to landfill I've started using full basing so I like chop off the supports and try and make it look like industrial stuff yeah yeah
1:38:54
which is quite cool they look but like cool scaffolds yeah exactly titanicus yeah so like you can just turn them into
1:39:01
ruined cities yeah so I've started like laying them in putting some cork around it and then paint it silver and it just adds a little bit of something you know
1:39:07
um but then it's the same advice because you use alcohol to wash the Prints but you can also get water washable
1:39:14
um resin but then you've got all this water that you can't deal with that people are just pouring down the sinks which is then going into the sea and
1:39:20
you've got like uncured resin just going straight into the sea which is terrible for your drains yeah but it's also
1:39:25
terrible for the environment yeah yeah so but it just comes down to if there's no option that's really easy and they're
1:39:30
not getting rewarded for it why bother doing anything else yeah outside out of mind into yeah that's true yeah true
1:39:36
like I think is it there's a big big push to make electric cars at the moment because the EU is saying 2030 there's
1:39:43
going to be no new like fossil fuel power cars allowed to be sold or something like that and then that's cool
1:39:48
that's a good enough reason to then I want an electric motorcycle and push push on the technology
1:39:55
it's so good especially if you could just like have a little cycle just to you know
1:40:01
I could just imagine you want like a massive sport bike with dinky little pedals just charging it all right
1:40:09
but I'm not I don't think I'm like a big environmentalist I'm not like no like an activist or anything like that but I
1:40:15
feel like it's just a level of Common Sense yeah just common sense and like you know I've got a bit of a platform people do sometimes listen to what I've
1:40:21
got to say hopefully and if you're still watching
1:40:26
um but yeah it's just if you can do your little bit yeah yeah nothing yeah that's my kind of like viewing no agreed
1:40:32
absolutely yeah um so this last question uh the first bit was we kind of talked about earlier
1:40:37
and I said oh someone asked how was your content changed and with kobit and all that sort of stuff yeah
1:40:43
um just a touch on that I really enjoy battle reports I mean you make I enjoy making them but the problem is is you'll
1:40:49
spend a three-hour game filming for eight hours yes I'm sure you guys can imagine when you're painting what we've
1:40:54
been doing some bat reports uh yeah I've been I've been putting it off for as long as possible because I know how much
1:41:00
effort goes into it and then I've got it I'm editing it right now and I'm like this isn't as good as I want it to be
1:41:05
yeah yeah um yeah and then you'll spend 18 more or more
1:41:11
hours editing a video yeah then another two three hours on a thumbnail yeah you'll finally put it out and then it'll
1:41:17
flop and that's why yeah um like like yeah like because it's I
1:41:25
think that for me anyway that's there's so many people and so many other channels that are doing bad reports at such high
1:41:31
standard yeah that it's such such a high like bar to hit and I feel like I can
1:41:36
hit it but for the effort to do it yeah to then go like for a good example I was really excited to do a war cry campaign
1:41:42
like the way the new um rotten ruins yeah the first one they did with their finagle guys in there there are the
1:41:50
horns if I should that's the ones that's the ones yeah and I made the first one and I like had all the cards I like
1:41:56
because they didn't have I couldn't get any digital versions of the card so I made them all in Photoshop which took me a few hours yeah um and then I like me
1:42:02
and me and Louis played the game I had Tom filming with me so we were like sat at a table multiple cameras and then extra camera took it in and it was fun
1:42:09
but it took us you know walk rides an hour long game and then it took us like five hours to film and then it took me
1:42:15
like two three days to edit and I only got 2 000 views and I was like I know I play 40K but Jesus Christ yeah
1:42:23
yeah it's just really disheartening that's probably the problem yeah whereas I can go I feel very good on the bottom or I can go I opened these loot boxes
1:42:31
and get 20 30 000 views and it's kind of like ha it's bad to say I'm chasing
1:42:36
numbers but realistically but you need to you need a little yeah you need a living it's my job at the end of the day so yeah I get really clickbait in people
1:42:42
like why are you being so clickbait it's like because you keep clicking and that's what I need you to do yeah yeah slightly off topic you just triggered me
1:42:48
when you talked about war cry cards so I spent ages collecting for the first Walker audition oh no
1:42:54
oh no I got a folder I'm really proud of my folder I've got all the cards in it see I don't I don't know where this is
1:43:00
going yeah well you will and we're not going to shut up about it for the next four hours because it triggers me so I got a folder and you've got these nice
1:43:07
cards are amazing they've got all the information on there it's Universal got like a sheet for this faction a sheet
1:43:13
for this faction all the way through so I'm moving away like it looks it's amazing it's got some weight to it I was
1:43:18
really proud of it and then they did the new edition Rock and ruin stuff and they brought out some compendiums and all the
1:43:24
rules to change all the stats are changed everything that changed at least by other points or by like a tweak on the
1:43:31
rules here tweak on the rules there can I just so all my I mean I'm gonna carry on playing using those cards that's what we said you don't have the new one piece
1:43:39
you feel better if you brought the folder in and you showed the viewers at home you folder I will bring my folder
1:43:44
in there I will yeah I'm proud of it when we have well you should have seen these cards
1:43:52
okay yeah
1:43:58
also like just off off screen though he's just like Lift It Up Lift It Up you're moving away you're moving away yeah I mean it's it's easy for me to do
1:44:06
when we have a guest on because I you know yeah yeah another thing as well just like twiddling these knobs in the corner
1:44:12
he's on a shelf yes are you gonna be on the high
1:44:20
chairs on a tennis umpire's seats yeah yeah because we're just looking up to
1:44:25
like Jesus yes thank you Lord even in the room he's just a speaker
1:44:32
down the floor we're a bit like yeah because I I start off kind of like squatting down or leaning against the
1:44:38
wall and then I'm getting older and everything starts to hurt and then I just stand up as the video goes on
1:44:43
um so this question yeah so so this one they they they I think it's on the topic of Click bait and all that sort of stuff
1:44:51
um and and his creators I think we know like we did some of the earlier videos
1:44:56
me and peachy did um with painting Star Wars figures um it was kind of like we did we did
1:45:02
some kill Team videos and they got 30 000 views but it was like here's how to do a clone trooper your breaches and
1:45:08
your crew and here's how to do your casa kitten and they did really well and then it was like um here's a a clone yeah yeah here's
1:45:16
casinando and he's like nah not obviously yeah four thousand views Cassie and got the Clone got about six didn't it yeah I think that yeah they're
1:45:22
increasing a little bit but without if we renamed that to how to paint white armor fast yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah
1:45:32
it's it's a shame because sometimes passion projects are fun you know what I
1:45:37
mean like paint Star Wars because you enjoy it I really enjoy uh war cry I really enjoy kill team but the problem
1:45:42
is is 40k is really big and it's really popular yeah yeah um and again when you are trying to do
1:45:48
passion projects it's there's so many other people that are doing it full time you know there's no so many other big
1:45:53
channels like you know tanks and there's Winters and there's tabletop timings and all that but you're just absolutely smashing it and they're doing really
1:45:59
well and I'm really like really really happy for them but and then obviously they're playing tabletop the really big definers of doing traditional battle
1:46:06
reports yeah absolutely just like dominated this it's almost like the bestification of YouTube but just for
1:46:11
Warhammer they came in and now everyone's kind of taken stuff from them and done it oh yeah I mean when I was doing back reps at Warhammer plus they
1:46:18
were like the biggest inspiration that we were told to draw because it's amazing yeah it's amazing and it's like a team of like four full-time editors
1:46:25
yeah and they just know what they're doing but yeah but yeah so like so like the bar became so high and then covid
1:46:31
happened so I did have to change my content anyway yeah and then I started doing bat reports for the early 90s and
1:46:36
they didn't really well and then it started petering off and I was like well again I could spend all this time making
1:46:41
about report or I could live stream for a couple of hours laugh at something turn it into a video yeah it takes like a for a comparison again battle report
1:46:48
18 hours editing a live stream clip where I'm just taking it from a stream it's like an hour I can probably turn that out yeah and it goes like three
1:46:54
four five five times as many views yeah yeah like yeah it's just I mean sadly yeah I'm just gonna do that right yeah
1:47:00
like like these videos and it's fun yeah it's very fun um like yeah these videos we've been
1:47:05
rolling for cranky nearly two hours oh dear I'm sorry no no no no no no on this one yeah
1:47:14
um everyone will listen to it in the car on the podcast yeah and I did get it on Apple podcast
1:47:20
um because lots of people said that I should and I thought I had and I went back into it and I just forgot to hit published
1:47:26
so apologize everyone I'll be in there um so this one says um and I have some
1:47:31
opinions on this as well but uh it's a uh so he's talked about changing and there's a few things about clickbait
1:47:38
um but he says do you ever wonder if more critical videos of Games Workshop are ones that cover recent controversy
1:47:44
and that's in yeah exclamation markers are a net positive to a hobby uh or do you think they'd
1:47:52
turn potential new hobbyists away so I feel like it's a definitely
1:47:58
interesting one the reason I like making critical videos is because one I think there's some genuine things to talk
1:48:03
about yeah the main point but also I come from like a time of YouTube as a
1:48:09
viewer of everyone's starting to just criticize each other for fun and it's good drama diss tracks oh yeah yeah yeah
1:48:16
yeah yeah you know and um it's kind of like that's kind of like the content I used to enjoy quite a lot
1:48:21
and that's also about when I started making YouTube videos I was making not that you know I was doing something completely different yeah I know I said
1:48:27
to Elliot and obviously one of the other guys when the child said to him I want to be the drama of YouTube okay you know
1:48:34
and like no probably not the greatest Idol to look up to he's old keemstar but yeah no probably but you know I was kind
1:48:41
of like yeah calling out people is probably not quite good but calling out big businesses yeah is I think I feel like
1:48:48
he's valid because again as I've mentioned a couple of times if you've got a platform and you're just letting
1:48:54
things Slide by that's fine but you could also use that platform to try to do something good for people for either
1:49:00
people or groups that don't have that yeah um or just general problems that might maybe we could have a discussion
1:49:07
about it because like in the title in the thumbnail it always sounds worse than it actually is but yeah definitely yeah his Workshop responded to my video
1:49:13
no they didn't but they did something yeah it might have been related it might not have yeah yeah yeah I think some of
1:49:19
the potentially some of the stronger opinions come from looking at thumbnails not watching the video I can totally
1:49:27
understand yeah you know every second is important to everyone's lives right yeah and then assuming that potentially
1:49:33
because I mean we we our chat shows where we've kind of talked about
1:49:40
some negative things of of workshops so like when we had James on yeah I was put
1:49:45
the title can you fix 40K which implies there's something wrong with it yeah um
1:49:51
and then and then that sort of gets people to click right yeah yeah that's the whole point of attack the thumbnail
1:49:56
it's intrigued to be like what are you on about I want to find out yeah and that's how that is just how YouTube works yeah and it and again you're just
1:50:03
trying sometimes you're just trying to force people to click on it and some people it's kind of like Spider-Man into it great power great responsibility you
1:50:09
know that's what he always said but if you're gonna go out and clickbait and say something then not deliver on that
1:50:15
point yeah then that's bad in my opinion and it does it can drive people to
1:50:20
either not watch your videos or just generate bad attitudes towards towards company for no reason yeah I feel like a
1:50:26
lot of people use that again for bad good guys do you think though as well
1:50:32
like you can get and I'm not suggestion for a minute this is you but do you think
1:50:37
um I'm already offended is that extensive negativity can
1:50:43
eventually just put you off a channel I think I know who you're talking about and and I think the thing is with it is
1:50:50
they are very being very successful with it drama don't they yeah I mean it just
1:50:55
leads you down to Rabbit Hole of like the more I do this the better I my channel performs and it's just gonna
1:51:00
drive I don't know Alex the problem being is maybe you know without sounding like I'm some morally moralistic perfect
1:51:07
human being but it's a thing I've just gone I just don't know whether my egg Integrity my personal Integrity could
1:51:12
cope with that yeah and the problem is I guess again like I totally respect them if they're doing well like fair play
1:51:18
again they're just playing the game not yeah I mean that's that's exactly my thought as well yeah um but
1:51:25
I've completely lost what I was going with that um but the thing is is that if you the problem is with that is if you do go too
1:51:33
far you build a community of negativity yeah like again it's like okay my
1:51:40
channel was a big thing a year ago right every like there was like four channels I think Dave Ms paints yeah came on he
1:51:46
made a video about it which is really interesting to us like his thoughts about that thing but yeah
1:51:52
yeah and then you know there's a lot of creators that uh I mean they're friends with or just watching that are all made
1:51:58
similar videos and they'll just talk about the fact that like Games Workshop Drive Games Workshop in a title or thumbnail Drive views because it's
1:52:04
really popular massively but then negativity also does because people are like what the hell's going on you know
1:52:09
yeah and I you know admittedly I've learned into it quite a lot recently because there's been quite a lot happening and it's again it's yeah I I
1:52:16
am a glorified keyboard Warrior I'm part of the cult you know but I've got a camera and I like to shout the camera
1:52:22
rather than typing it yeah you know and I enjoy like criticizing but also laughing about it a lot of the time yeah
1:52:28
that's kind of like my vibe yeah compared to all those that are just like yeah I think from just listening
1:52:34
obviously to what you guys are saying um everyone loves a hobby we won't be talking about it right so even though
1:52:39
the ones that are a bit negative still love the hobby still like the hobby they have like opinions about a business or
1:52:45
opinions about decision making you'd be surprised to know this is the exact same level of conversations we used to have in the studios yeah
1:52:51
that doesn't mean the sculptors and the book designers and the artists and the painters hated the business they work
1:52:57
for but they didn't always agree the problem is everyone's really passionate exactly and that's the problem invested exactly yeah either money time yeah you
1:53:04
know projects you know you put your space at home well yeah I mean we used to put a lot of effort into the armies
1:53:10
that we created in the Army painting team when that Army was like we're not going to use that now you'd get everyone full of negative Army painters you have
1:53:16
to close the door put Power ballad Friday on and just be like right come on
1:53:22
we've all got paid to paint this we all had a bit of practice it's not going to get done yeah we don't get to own it
1:53:28
it's not our train set let's just yeah move on to the next project and they're like oh but I was really I spent ages on
1:53:34
that model and I really enjoyed I was like yeah I get it and I'm the same but you know I spent ages on that unit really passionate about it but you'd
1:53:39
have the same kind of level of like conversations like you know why they're doing this why is this happening it's not it's just normal people we're all
1:53:45
really passionate yeah exactly yeah so yeah so so short answer yes it can be a
1:53:51
problem if you lean into it too much yeah and again misuse the power that you've got the platform that you've got
1:53:56
to use it but yeah if you're just laughing you can have a wind as well you're allowed you're allowed everyone's a winch yeah yeah I mean yeah I've I've
1:54:03
winched about stuff um I feel like we consciously try and balance it out
1:54:08
um I don't think channels like the one Jeff is like suggesting and stuff I don't think
1:54:13
they're a net negative for the hobby I don't I don't think it would put people off because I don't if a new hobbyist
1:54:22
is like oh I want to learn how to paint my Space Marines the likelihood of them coming across a video that's just like
1:54:28
Games Workshop kick my dog this is like another Dave uh thing he's he's unlikely and maybe they get more invested in it
1:54:34
and in its opinion um and you can watch it and you can disagree with it and and and all that
1:54:40
sort of stuff so I mean it's a good outlet for an opinion right yeah just people feel like that is gospel because
1:54:45
it's a video where it's not it's just someone like myself having an opinion and either being really negative about
1:54:51
it or just laughing because it's funny yeah and it's fun to laugh yeah you know the I I laughed out loud
1:54:56
um at one of your most recent videos or it's like uh topic and you were like they haven't
1:55:03
sold out unlike me and then you go into it oh yes yes and then you get a mobile
1:55:09
game mobile game out of it for the first time yeah you know yeah I loved it yeah every second of it so
1:55:16
yeah funny it's really funny um but yeah I think I think yeah yeah
1:55:24
you should probably shut up I feel like we've covered lots of stuff yeah that's been good thank you very much coming down thank you so much for having me and
1:55:29
thanks for all the patreon questions as well yeah please subscribe to uh Hellstorm War Games war games have
1:55:36
another hobnob for that no no I really appreciate this is really fun so thank you again no it's been a
1:55:42
pleasure um we'll stick all your links in the description thank you um and and promote your uh tournament
1:55:47
and channel subscribe to these guys on patreon to support them oh there we go especially
1:55:54
because we've got another we've got more stuff to give away at the moment for example patreon oh yeah yeah there is
1:56:00
yeah you just have to guess the name of uh Chef's dog yep nice oh yeah we put on uh
1:56:07
last week's which we'll go out today while we're filming this yeah
1:56:15
wonderful right right nice one cheers
1:56:20
it bye-bye

Metagaming, 10th Edition, Clickbait: Hellstorm Wargaming

fauxhammer.com

Got, Got, NEED! The Painting Phase 01

Learning to Paint IRON WARRIORS - Road to Warpsmith part 1 - Pile of Shame

How NOT to Paint Ultramarines in 30 minutes

How to Install the FORTNITE Game on MOTOROLA Edge 40

Playing 10th Edition & Tactical Pegs

Competing With 40K? Creating Your Own Miniature War Game

Does Size Matter... In Warhammer?

Chatting With MS Paints!

Eisenhorn, Warhammer+, and Unhinged Nonsense

Budget Recon Belt Rig for Scouting and Survival - LBE

The History Of Europe In Maps

Abandoned Soviet Union Spy Base in Chernobyl (Anti-USA Propaganda)

Up next in 10

Metagaming, 10th Edition, Clickbait: Hellstorm Wargaming

fauxhammer.com