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okay okay I know loaded thumbnail but
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I'm not kidding there are things you
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need to know about these printers before
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spending money on the wrong one it may
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seem simple on the outset there's the
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Mars 4 and the Mars 4 ultra surely the
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ultra is better than the normal Mars 4
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well it depends on what you want because
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if you want the best print quality then
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out of the box the Mars 4 ultra is not a
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better printer and don't get me started
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on the Mars 4 Max and the Mars 4 DLP
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those are completely different things
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and I recommend you check out the
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reviews of each if you're considering
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them links above and in the description
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today I'm focusing on the direct
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differences between the Mars 4 printers
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which are the direct upgrades to the
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previous Mars 3s so hi I'm Ross and this
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is faux Hammer videos so yeah that's
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true the Mars 4 ultra is not immediately
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better quality but don't fret you can
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make it slightly better quality than the
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bass Mars 4 with one quick tweak you may
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already know what it is because I've
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screamed about it enough but this video
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is is really for those people wondering
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shall I get the Mars 4 or the ultra what
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are the key differences and is that
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worth the extra Outlet so let's talk
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about them both printers are almost
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identical in silhouette the basic Mars
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has a red lid and the ultra comes in
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black but as you look closer you'll see
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that the ultra has a metal chassis
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whilst the other is plastic no benefit
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but it's a bit sexier for your money
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otherwise it's pretty much the same
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externally power and USB ports are in
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the same place on both printers and that
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means that the power's on the back and
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the USB port is on the front thanks elu
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however it's worth noting that with the
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ultra what cheapens the experience
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slightly is that the metal case is not
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flush to the upper body and so you do
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get some slight UV leak during a print
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it's not a big deal but a rubber gasket
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wouldn't have gone a miss here inside
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each printer is what elu is calling a 9k
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screen but 9k isn't a real thing and
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even if it was this isn't it for more
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info on that check out my rant on my
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Mars phone 9k video but what they do
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have are screens with
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8520 pixels on the x-axis and 4,320 on
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the Y AIS in an area of approximately
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153 by 78 mm this means the pixels are
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only 18 microns which as you may know is
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currently the smallest pixel size on the
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market and therefore capable of the
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highest quality LCD print out there
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there's also DLP printers but they are
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far more for print ACC accuracy than
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pixel toxel quality now whilst you would
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expect that each printer provides the
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same quality because it's the same
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screen there's more under the surface on
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each model to consider and I'll come
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back to that in just a sec each printer
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comes with a box of supplies including
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face masks paper filters enough gloves
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to last about a day maybe three prints
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and you also get a plastic scraper and a
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really decent metal scraper and a cheapo
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USB drive that you should replace with a
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sandis one ASAP though with the ultra
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you don't actually need it and I'll come
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back to that too both printers come with
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a USB powered carbon filter that plugs
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into the USB port and these work to
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remove any nasty resin smells though in
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my testing it seems that they do nothing
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to remove voc's when it comes to printer
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operation the main physical difference
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is the leveling mechanism the base model
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has elgu's usual ball joint and I've
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said for ages that these come dislodged
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and are a much weaker mechanism to the
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alternative I know many people have said
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I'm wrong and yeah my experience with
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them has been hit or miss but even elegu
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themselves must agree to a point because
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the ultra comes with a fourpoint bolt
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mechanism and I've never had one of
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these fail when leveled properly and on
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that regard for either printer just
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loosen the bolts however many you've got
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send the bed to the home position then
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hold down on the plate as you tighten
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the bolts and for the ultra do this in
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alternating corners and do it with a
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quarter turn on each bolt at a time
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tightening just one corner fully could
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dislodge the other tighten them all as
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far as you can just not so much that you
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thread the socket and you'll know when
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the Mars 4 ball screw comes loose
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because you'll find that subsequent
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prints just aren't sticking to the bed
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you can relevel it with resin in the vat
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but it's messy so wear gloves and have
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tissue handy but anyway once tight just
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back out to the menu press Z equals 0
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and so many people miss this step and
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it's a big reason for printing fails
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eligo please put this button inside the
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Zed movement menu now you may have
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noticed from the footage that each
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printer has a different UI whilst the
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basic Mars UI has everything you could
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really need it does look a bit Bland and
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outdated by now by competitor standards
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the new UI on the ultra is thanks to the
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whole printer running on Linux OS this
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UI is not only sexier but a bit more
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in-depth too the main feature is that
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you can edit a print settings from the
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UI and whilst this may seem useless try
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and imagine you're just dialing in a
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printer's exposure time there's no need
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to go and reslice it just edit the
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exposure on the printer and then go
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again or or if you get a fail print and
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you know just a couple of tenths of a
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second exposure time would fix it just
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clean the bed change the settings and
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print again and another unique feature
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in the ultra menus is Wi-Fi because it's
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only available on this Mars 4 model so
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far and the antenna for Wi-Fi actually
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connects up inside the printer under the
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hood to get Wi-Fi working all you need
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to do is use the UI to connect your
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local network and so long as your PC is
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on that same network when you slice your
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models in chit box you'll see a network
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send option and from here you can just
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send the print to the printer and start
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it remotely too no need to ever use that
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USB drive again now one thing of note is
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that elu has been pushing for Tango
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that's the slicer and I'm not keen on
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this slicer for one reason moving models
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around the bill plate before slicing is
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just so cumbersome so until they make
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this most basic of functions easier I'm
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not touching it so as mentioned I've
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been using chitu box for all my slicing
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but there is an issue I've found when I
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print Miniatures even with 18 Micron
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prints I'd still enable anti-aliasing on
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them just to eradicate all the visible
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voxal and layer lines but these printers
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now use eligo proprietary. Goo format
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and this is still new and is having some
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teething issues for one when you enable
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anti-aliasing the far size is absolutely
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huge sometimes so large that the files
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won't actually fit onto your USB drive
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but the slicer won't warn you and you'll
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end up printing a truncated file which
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will just fail at a certain percentage
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through and the other problem is that
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well anti-aliasing just doesn't work at
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least in the case of the satin printers
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anyway but on the Mars 4S when I enabled
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this it caused everything on the lcd's
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horizontal axis to weirdly merge
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supports and all of Parts just blended
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into different parts of the models now
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at least on the Saturns you could export
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your slices in the CB format and resolve
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both of these issues entirely with the
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Mars though you're stuck with do goo
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unless you send it wirelessly and it
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uses CB as as default now look eligo
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will remedy this and chances are it's
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fixed before my video even goes live so
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make sure you do the latest firmware
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updates at least on the ultra that's as
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easy as pressing the option in the menus
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and it'll do it over the internet now
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the final thing I want to talk about
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before print quality is the screen
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protector now I accidentally said in one
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of my reviews that there is no screen
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protector yet the elegu website says the
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mar 4 comes with a plastic screen
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protector and the ultra comes with a
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tempered glass one but I can't see or
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feeler screen protector on either
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printer if there is one there then it's
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under the tape around the LCD which
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makes replacement tricky if not
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impossible now both printers did come
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with a sheet of plastic on the screen
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that clearly said remove before print
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but under those was nothing was this the
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screen protector elu wrong about it or
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have I just been unlucky with the QA
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tester who checked both of these
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printers and my satins if you've got one
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of these or any of these and have got
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similar findings please let me let me
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know down in the comments cuz I'm
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wondering if it's just me also while
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the case of this I was sent the ultra
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and I bought the normal Mars myself just
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to do some comparisons right quality now
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both printers are great and if you watch
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my Mars 4 Ultra review you may have
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thought I was hating on that printer I
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wasn't I said the printer's great but
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ACF is a bad thing and whilst I'm saying
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the printers are great I just can't say
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amazing because in this generation we
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simply haven't had the quality jump we
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had when we went from say 4K to 8K and
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even that wasn't that huge when we look
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back now 2K to 4K was big but when we
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look back between now and 2K it has
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hasn't been that huge a jump prints have
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been fine since then but the point is
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we're now well beyond the point of
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diminishing returns these are great they
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just aren't going to wow anyone who's
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had a last generation printer if you're
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going from 2K to this then oh my God but
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you'll get the same reaction if you went
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from 2K to 4K or 2K to 8K so it is what
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it is let's stop judging these around
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quality it's great here but it's not
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mindblowing and the thing is in order to
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get the most Bo out of a super high
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resolution printer like this you're
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going to need a resin capable of
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rendering that detail and all the ones
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I've seen which are this sharp are very
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brittle and by polling my own Community
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I found that most people don't use those
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resins by the odd few specialist cases
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most people just use standard or more
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durable resins so that the models they
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print can actually survive basic
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transportation and this is exactly why
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we released wargamer because it's the
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perfect balance of sharpness and
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durability for Miniatures and you can
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see how detailed it is and yet it's
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still smooth where it needs to be and
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models printed with this are just like
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store-bought plastic models if not a bit
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more durable and have the benefits of
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being sharper because they're 3D printed
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now when it comes to these printers you
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need to know that the ultra uses a
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different type of release film now
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whilst I've seen no indication that the
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ultra Z AIS motor is any faster this
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film will allow the resin to release 30%
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easier so you can up your print speed
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settings just a tad but the drawback is
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because this ACF film is frosted it will
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diffuse the projected image on each
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layer and that will soften the prints
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now don't get me wrong these prints
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aren't bad and this diffusion is another
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element that reduces layer and voxel
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lines but it's a very analog way to do
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it I much prefer the accurate control
10:48
from using printer settings and enabling
10:51
anti-aliasing whilst keeping the print
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as sharp as possible however I've now
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had mixed results with ACF film on most
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printers it does does soften the print
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and shows some weird crazy cross-hatch
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lines on the surface and voger has shown
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this on his videos too just like Uncle
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Jesse but for some reason I still don't
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understand I just don't get this with
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the satin 3 perhaps that's a different
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brand of ACF or I just got lucky and
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there's a bit of a lottery with the
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material over how good it is when you
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get it but in the case of the Mars 4
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ultra the ACF did diffuse my prints and
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leave a cross-hatching on every surface
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however you can easily Swap this CCF
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with the clear PFA film that you just
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get on the normal Mars 4 and I know I
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had complaints that I should have just
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done this earlier by swapping the ACF
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like Bogman did but I knew the Mars 4
11:40
was coming and if I'd done that I
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wouldn't have then been able to do this
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test where I used the ACF on the base
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Mars 4 to now the good news is when you
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use PFA on the ultra the prints are as
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good as the Mars 4 if not slightly
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better the ultra uses a fral lens which
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directs lights upwards towards the build
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plate without this you do get some LCD
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blow difference wise if you squint and
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turn your head and convince yourself a
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little then the ultra is slightly better
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than the Mars 4 when using PFA or is it
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I don't know it's not enough that it
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matters and similarly with the Mars 4
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stick some ACF on this and it blurs the
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print but you can lift faster so in
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summary if you want the ultimate quality
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from an entrylevel siiz printer both of
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these are absolutely Ace but the Mars 4
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ultra needs you to replace the ACF film
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with PFA if you want to get that extra
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quality most people have just opted to
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buy a second vat and have one with PFA
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and one with ACF so that they can choose
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fast or detail depending on what they
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want at the time but the ultra is still
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well worth the small upgrade price to me
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just for the ease of use that's Wi-Fi
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and the more stable build plate leveling
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mechanism and if you are looking at one
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of these and your budget slightly bigger
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don't discount the satin 3 range because
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honestly the difference in print quality
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from this compared to the Saturn 3s
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which have the convenience of a bigger
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blate I'd go for the Saturn 3 any day of
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the week the difference there is nothing
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I can't even tell even under a macro
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lens I can't see it but anyway we're
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talking about the marzes yeah the Mars 4
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is worth it to me to go for the ultra is
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it worth it to you well that's for you
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to decide and whatever you go with that
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is the best decision I can only show you
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