Which Miniature Paint Range is the BEST?!

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today we're bringing it to you because we have been literally punching each other kicking
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pulling hair oh you name it but I Ross um sorry Ross Pats in shorts I've had
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him by the hair on his legs you know it's been awful but we thought we'd bring it to you we we are trying to
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figure out between us what's probably the best paint range of the paints we've
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come into contact out there yes and you probably have you leard listeners and
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viewers have probably a wide range more of them than maybe we have but as usual
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put in the comments what you like and uh we're going to have a bit of a batter and out of what ones we think are really
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good so so we kick off straight away everyone's favorite or not favorite
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everyone's favorite every everyone's us should we go with everyone's used yes sit down
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Paints the the great balancer I think this is a good one to start with cuz it puts yeah it it's the one that everyone
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uses as the yard stick for which all of the paints are measured For Better or
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Worse For Better or Worse yeah I'm going to come straight out and say it it's the best paint range available on the market
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in my opinion going you will not know
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that most people won't get it until you get the reason why so we'll we'll come to to that at the end okay okay
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fantastic not of the show of this of this well no of the heat death of the universe bil I'll let you know I'll let
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you on my deathbed I'll write why right then well here's a question
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for you and I'll pull it a Pat and then I'll answer it myself as well um in your paint range that you use on your in your
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painting time what percentage of what you paint with a c oh blow me that it can vary because I do paint reviews so
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if I'm reviewing valo probably zero yeah yeah um but if you like but if you I
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know and I know that a lot of the time when you're paint you're painting for the fact that it's to do with your channel and to do you with your world
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famous blog um I still f.com yeah that's the fellas that's the one and and uh F
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hammer on YouTube which you can find at youtube.com/ Hammer Hammer now all all
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of that just going to be beeped yeah do it do it I'd love that yeah which you can find just it ends with
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do just replace replace me with them Bill and Ben just doing yeah yeah I'll
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just get like a a robot voice to just say um it's um and also it it's always
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there but yeah like what percent go on then Pat you first what what percentage of yours is Citadel um
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I initially I was like oh I'm just thinking of the acrylics but obviously got the contrast paints as well um
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transparent the transparent no Citadel contrast pants okay oh he's
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being he's been exact uh and I I used them quite a lot
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um I don't use the acrylics as much as I used to CU I use a lot of the AK paints
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which I feel like I could talk more on so but when for the rest of the episode man yeah when I first started 100%
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Citadel all the time and I feel like that's how a lot of people start
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if they're painting Warhammer if you go into warlord games they have an army painter rack yeah because they're
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obviously not going to stock Citadel paints I guess um so my route into it
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was picking up a box of Space Marines buying the Citadel paints that I needed
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for them um and then gradually building everything up um but yeah currently I I
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would argue that it's it's probably 25% Citadel
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is what I use she's not not quite not really that high I don't think okay what
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about you I would say uh probably about 80% yeah Citadel um again a bit like Pat
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saying a lot of that is contrast especially at the moment because um
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trying out a whole range of different ways of not going to say speed painting
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cuz I I I I go back in and do layers over the top of it but I'm using a lot
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of contrast at the moment cuz I've got a lot of crw to paint so I'm using um and
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which as a sideb to this I the moment I've painted I've done crw where I'm going I'm spraying x amount of them red
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Bas with a color Forge red and then I'm doing these other ones in like a blue gray again from color Forge and then
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I've got a death guard green and I'm just painting spraying them in like fives and I'm going then I've got like a
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whole range of cool different colors for crud which is one of the things you can do with crud that you can't do with virtually anything else in the in any of
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the other GW armies is that every single one of them can just be completely different to the previous one and then
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the idea is that and painting five that will all be the same color as each other and then another five and do you know what Christ I've managed to get two the
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same color not in the
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life not the slightest um so I'm using a lot of the contrast but I use Games Workshop quite a lot and I've said this
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on the show before and one of the reasons are do is because they're are language amongst YouTube they are a
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language you know from the most average of people who paint in the most average
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of getting you buy manners on YouTube to the top end painters I'm talking about Henry steel and Richard Gray there are
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people like on that level are still using Citadel paints as well yeah so they are a language they are they if you
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go in and you know nothing you can find somebody who paints speed paint paints or paints to tabletop standards and they
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can teach you how to use them and then your top end boys who are golden demon winners are still using them Richard
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Gray probably uses in a video is probably about 80 80 90% yeah Citadel so
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it's probably something to say for them hasn't he absolutely yeah I mean I think the reasons my sort of reasonings about
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why I think they're very good is they have every I think every great paint
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system or well every popular paint system whether they're good or not is Up For
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Debate um has a structure to it so Citadel you've got your base paints
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you've got your layer paints which is a bit frustrating but um it makes sense
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you be like if you're doing a blood Angel you go all right well I'll use miston red and then I'll use wild rer
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red and then oh what's the third one I can't
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remember more into the um B oh yeah it is you um it's it's normally miston
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troll Slayer and um thingy and then troll Slayer orange is the third like a DOT highlight potentially yeah but there
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there's another one that's something something red and I can't remember the life of me what it is cuz I haven't used
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them evils there we go everyone was yelling at the screen what was the other one so
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we' done Mist goes mist and red Wild rer red evil scarlet and then you might do a
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DOT with with TR SL orange or something on and then they also have but they also have uh a blood angels contrast don't
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they which they can they do have they have uh no so well you got you've got blood
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angels red which was the original contrast you've also got bar red that's right which is the newer one uh that
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gives you more of a full coverage uh or something along those Lin so good things
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about Citadel is I think it's a system that everybody knows um if you're going
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through your introduction to painting miniatures is through Warhammer the chances are you know Citadel paints like
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some of the parts you know people criticize them they are a bit na sometimes um what some of the collors
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or the the physical pots over droper bottles you mean yeah um and we've had a
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great chat um with Tom Hibbard who talks about all that sort of stuff cuz it's
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kind of like well dropper bottles are really good for airbrushing games don't make an airbrush so they want Theirs to
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look different like they're the most unique bottle on the market I guess paint pot on the market um something I'm
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finding a bit annoying as I use a contrasts I like I use them a bit infrequently and then I might be like oh
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I'll try this blue I'll try that one um is that contrast paint ranges
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essentially from washes all the way up to completely opaque paints like black
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Legion like black Legion is one coat coverage I used some storm fiend recently on a dreadn and I thinned it
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down and it just covered over everything um there's like an inconsistency in
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there strength yeah that isn't explained well like you have to you kind of have
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to go oh well that one you have to do this and like you have to do it through learning which if you've spent five quid
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and you're like oh contrast paint it will behave like this um a lot of them don't which I think is
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a is a negative like contrast points are fantastic but like with the introduction
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of the new ones it's kind of like well what what defines a contrast paint now
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if if like black Legion just covers over everything yeah but it's the same with paints as well isn't it like when you
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look at like you know you can look at the entire Citadel range and you can go like one of my and I had this argument
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the other day one of my top favorites is rakar flesh yeah um I absolutely love that color it's fantastic but as soon as
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I posted it online going a great I can't remember what I post oh I do it's a good an I remember what you as well I liked
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it but yeah so in fact I'll yeah I'll mention it quickly so I went into Warhammer I was in I know said something
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in Ashfield I wasn't Stratford plan aen yes yeah an s in an a is where I was at
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did you have to wonder in and and just be like you would like some it's the only it's the only um war
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hammer shop in the UK where the staff we are rough they were they were lovely there
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there was a there was a lady who worked there she was really nice and they had a good Community it was nice to see we went in it was after 3:00 so they'd like
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close for lunch or something we went in after 3 but like there were loads of younglings in there which you don't see
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much in a Warhammer and I was like it's really nice to see you've got a community here but I went in for nothing
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I just when I go to different places in the UK for work and stuff I'm like if there's a Warhammer I've got to go in
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and then I was like top your geekness exactly yeah and I was like do I get scaven tide do I not do I um I didn't
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but I I went in there and I was like right so can I just say it's a good job cuz I tell you what I picked a copy of that up the other day I was was a
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Dungeons and when my son was doing dungeons dragons I picked a copy of it up I tell you what you'd have been cing if you then had to carry that round the
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shops for another two hours two books in h i don't know idea is it the spearhead
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r right always we were chatting about this
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uh on the Discord uh so um someone was saying how heavy it was and we like oh
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what's the miniature count and they were like similar to the 70 odd minis but they were like you
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get age of Sigmar uh is it fourth edition now yeah fourth um and then you
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also get the spearhead rules in a separate book so you get two book which is why it's so heavy probably heavy that's quite cool but no dice pass yeah
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okay apparently there's no dice in the set so it's a start a set yeah and and someone's written this I haven't seen
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anyone um point it out yet but I think there's no dice in the box and not really anyone saying anything about that
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like that should be a ah if it's true gw's like shrink flation stuff is is a bit frustrating because it's this thing
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now where they sort of go it's not a starter box anymore they go it's your
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box for you moving editions it's not for new people to get into the idea is them
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little boxes that come out are the ones get people this is for you're already embedded this is just to give you your
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head let's wow you into the next one because you already care let's get you
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oh my God that's amazing grab stuff because Leviathan had no dice in it either I didn't it I didn't know and
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I'm now struggling to remember whether indomitus did but I know Leviathan definitely didn't have any Dyson yeah
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you know Dominion had dice I believe yeah um you know it did have dice space
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Hulk when that came came out they were gorgeous they were like cream and brown and all thingy together and then when
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they re-released it they just gave you boring white Dice and I only got the rease got in so I want them dice but any
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on sorry uh is um scam tide is it all push fit yes uh yes because they usually
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are that's always one thing I'm just like why if it's not for new people why make them push fit Miniatures will go
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into them smaller boxes yeah right yeah yeah yeah and already we've done a really good job of getting off paint
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yeah so get back to it so later B sixth edition yeah so the point I was making
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is yeah if we track back through it so I cracked it and this will be a great
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thing for everybody to know on the channel so you know how you go into Games Workshop or Warhammer and you go for one pack of paint or one bottle of
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paint and you come out with tons of models and you've spent 200 quid and I
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figured it out I went in for nothing genuinely nothing came out with one po
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paint there you go that's how you do it guys you have to go in for nothing you can't go in there pretending oh I know I
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want a pot of pain but I'm going to go in for it you have to want nothing and you'll come out with the PO pain but
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then what happens when you need something then you have to go in and spend 200 quid on models okay we we
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don't make the rules that's how it works that's it and if if not that a toyo pin or something
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you'll add more to it um but that's it but yeah so like rakar flash one of my
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favorite colors good really good color but as soon as I posted that online it was weird like my YouTube commenters
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were like oh that's a horrible color one of games workshops worst and then Facebook was was more oh that's one of
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their best colors but it it's about approach to it because I think and I'm not saying there's a disparity between
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YouTubers and thing is it's just like the ball started rolling on each community and kind of went down those
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paths um but obviously rakar flesh is is a bit of a chalkier paint and you've got
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to just know that about it there is no reminder and for someone like me who is
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the poster child for ADHD like I always forget like White Scar wasn't is was it
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White Scar or what was the really bad white that they did was it ceramite white or something that was like corx
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white korax white isad that's the new one white so it might be White Scar or S
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I think it might White yeah cuz white Scar's the current range yeah yeah yeah so it's ceramite white which was the
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original base white and you take that out and it is like chalk but it wasn't a bad color you just had to mix the living
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hell out of it and it dried really matte because of the amount of probably Chalk in it this is the thing I think you
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should never have with with a product as it should never be um you have to
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instantly start KN its flaws to make it work you should open it and it should be Flawless yes because opening the paint
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and going opening a pot of paint and going oh well I know I've got to do this and I know I've got to do that that's
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like someone saying to you isn't it you know you need to watch this TV series but you need it it's not great for the
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first three seasons yeah I mean I I went through exactly
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this with the villain inks um you know they they had quite a lot of
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quirks and I think for me it boiled down to for the price could I like you know
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the colors they're quite unique in that nobody really does colored enamels
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especially the red and the green yeah yeah like the the flesh one I thought was Ace but like for the the the
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essentially sort of streaking Grime Grime equivalents I was just sort like well I could do all of that or I could
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just get that one yeah yeah which is which is a slightly different greeny Brown yeah yeah yeah so so I love the I
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love their range of colors I like the technicals I think some of the technicals are really cool some they're
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clever um and so generally I really like them they I do find them a massive time
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waste at times because I'm really bad for this know as I open one and when I open it and I go well that lid top
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didn't and next thing you know I sometimes paint in 20 minute BS in my barber shop and next thing you know I've
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opened to p a painting and I decided to spend 10 minutes with a scalp cleaning it yeah and then they go oh and then oh
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and there's My next client you know and I so they the pots have their floors I like them I sometimes I hate that thing
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with the drop a bottle you squeeze and yeah go am I going to just put it all over this web palet or is it just nothing's going to come out so I
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generally like them and like I say I like the language of them um that people speak that language color match sprays
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as well we you know and they you know their sprays are generally pretty good you know you know cuz I've come across worse
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than them you know I quite like the Army painter range but I don't know should really say it's for Army painter but one
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of their metal aerosols rattle can Christ I sprayed it at a good distance and was just losing Det detail on the
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miniature like oh yeah yeah they they can be a bit heavy some of their ones but um yeah so I generally think there
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is a lot of like and also like you were saying with uh like you were saying with Space Marines when we did our our show
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about that they set a standard that everything Then followed on from yeah yeah yeah so there's a lot to be said
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for Citadel I think yes that that's why so that is why it's my favorite it's nothing to like the paints are Hit or
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Miss like I would refer to them as slightly above average in terms of General coverage and quality and and
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thinness but because of their accessibility and it's not just in Warhammer like people come into D and D
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painting people come into like I obviously do a lot of 3D printing stuff people are uh painting their 3D printed
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models with Citadel and it's because yeah it's it's I think it might be the
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more expensive of all the paints of all the acrylic paints but look at the value
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ad think about all the free guides by they used be more by Warhammer obviously
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in the in the days back of Warhammer TV when it was on YouTube um I don't see that you get a lot of those anymore it's
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now all in Warhammer Plus or at least the majority they yeah they they they still they're still doing the tutorial
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do a lot of them doesn't she I think they have two or three presenters that are doing it yeah no worries I just I don't see them as much anymore so it
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might be that or it might be that you know when I first got into Warhammer that's where you go and I've just gone
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sort of like no I wouldn't say beyond that but outside of that Realm um but again it's everybody talks about it you
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get all the free guides you can pick it up and know how to use it originally no one no one I don't think anyone talks
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about the quirks of individual paints enough maybe Byron Byron's one Artis Opus he does tend to mention like oh
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this paint's a bit more like that like he's where I learned the contrast paints where if you see it all thick in the
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bottom yeah then they're really intense coverage whereas the other ones aren't so much and stuff like that but it is
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that it's the most accessible paint and even people um most easy to find most e
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one of the most easy to find yeah and like yeah you can walk into like game which is a video game store here in the
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UK and pick up Warhammer paint yeah they sell it in game oh wow so you it's on
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like in order to they've got some agreement so you know how game in the UK and I think it's Barnes and Noble in the
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US they've got those racks and racks yeah and it's like here's your starter set here's your exclusive to game like
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Space Marine Heroes game those sorts of things and then yeah pick up odd paints there's an escape
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room in Nottingham that that sells Games Workshop paints because they've obviously done the Games Workshop I I
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went in there uh for the first time to do I think it was like a a Robin Hood
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themed I've done that one it's great we got the fastest time of the day humble bra no they had
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the Blackboard and they wrote our name on and everything I'm not going to say what but did you were you surprised by C for you yeah yeah that was good that
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yeah it was good uh there was my my favorite quote I think I was like
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someone was fiddling with something and I was like oh my God a secret door I love my life I was just like that was
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who is it what's the name can we give them a shout they do imitar I'll put it on the screen cuz yeah cuz I was I like
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to go and do the 40K one cuz I I haven't I haven't done it um but apparently it's
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it's really good yeah um but yeah they have a rack and I was like why in Earth are they selling Warhammer but then they
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have the Warhammer thing um right then put it on the spot you only take one with you what one
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one paint from SEL to move into another range what paint are you keeping to move into another range yeah rakar flash
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you I'm rubbish on the spot um R and flesh shade oh good one yeah that's in
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my top five as well yeah yeah that's a good one I don't think there's a better shade for gold really uh there's one
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more dry Violet so after you've done you so you do like everyone knows the gold
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recipe of painted gold cover it in Rand flesh shade if you want a deeper Shadow push some Thin is it duy Violet the
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purple wash yeah push some duy Violet into the things and then when you dry brush over gold again you can't tell
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there's a transition but you've got more depth of color oh interesting I'm going to be really really boring
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Agra Agra sh just a brilliant all around over clothes over leather over a gun name it
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yeah yeah yeah cuz we've G we've got all contrast paints all acrylics the shades they're brilliant and we like a lot of
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us have been like awesome yeah yeah and I i' i' take I think the shades are
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incredible yeah yeah who should we do next shall we do our Spanish friends I
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think I think we should do the biggest competition I think we should do army painter oh okay they're the biggest so you would say they're bigger
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arua I think I think Army painter are like
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certainly competition wise volume of paint being sold and similar systems I
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think Army painter are the only comparable direct like sort of that
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the only comparable competition okay well let's well let's go in with with them um army painter they are Danish if
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I remember rightly think D we we were chatting to one of the heads of it was
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Adam he does the marketing stuff guy really awesome I've had lots of
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CL yeah yeah tell me about it so Adam Adam if you're watching tell us how to
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pronounce your surname in the comments I probably just need to see it written down and then could give more sure that
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help it wouldn't yeah so um army painter uh they've been around a while haven't
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they I think for a little while they were just living under the radar I know I know before I used any other colors of
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them I think the uh they had like an old they had like an old copper color and that was the only color I had but it was
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a very dark copper I was using it as a base for um death guard trim right yeah
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and that was for the longest time I only owned the one bottle of them and then I've moved into using a bit more them I've got to be I don't use a lot of them
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no but what comes out of a bottle as opposed to what comes out of a can I generally haven't had any real problems
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with them I need to Google something but I know they've got a bit of a legacy yes haven't they so so I think I think they
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they exist because of Citadel paints yeah you know they're very much geared towards painting miniatures if you look
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at painting you know like as I said you go into warlord games you see Army painter they do starter sets with d and
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Demon is in so they're they're appealing to different markets as well I think the
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war gamer uh like the the sorry The Fanatic paints that they've released yeah recently a pretty solid speed paint
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2 I've been using a bit more recently and I really enjoy that yeah they have their the washes but not as many they
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got like the strong tone medium tone and light tone is that right see I loved them I thought they were better than the
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Citadel washers but I'm talking nearly a decade ago now the recip changed appar
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the recipe did change cuz I remember getting a top up like when people always complain about like volume of paintting
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bottles but how often do you ever use up a bottle of paint it's rare yeah it's
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like a yeah like black and white and then if you're doing an army of something then I absolutely imagine and
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I don't even know cuz it's a color I feel like I don't use that of tell you what I ran to the ends of a bottle day was Sarah from CPA really really sit
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down all the way to the end and it R the big contrast bottles as well man it yeah
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I thought surely I must have knocked this over at some point I can't remember yeah yeah Fair Point yeah you do like
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but you you rarely use it but I actually managed to use up their strong tone cuz they they've got um is it strong was it
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strong tone n oil medium tones Agra Agra and and soft tone is is um yeah C so you
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had them so I used up the brown one which is strong tone no medium medium tone AG yeah the agrax one so I used
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that up went and bought another one but what I loved about it is I did it on my death wing nights or my Deathwing back
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in the day and you just painted it cream covered it in that stuff and then you
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had enough time to like Wick it off but because the medium was more gel-like as it evaporated it didn't leave coffee
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staining like citadel's prone to do so it gave you a nice graduated graduated
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blend into it oh like I was really impressed with those models that I did for my Army painter review I loved it
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but when I picked up another bottle they changed it I don't know if they've changed it back now I don't even know if they still do it because they've moved
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now to fanatic yeah which I I don't like
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so and and again not personal yeah Army painter were the cheaper alternative yes
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and and considerably cheaper yeah yeah and I don't know I what I was trying to Google then was like the price
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difference between their War paints and their War paints fanatic because if
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you're getting into miniature painting and you're on a budget and you want a cheap alternative Army painter was was
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it may still be but was that cheap alternative yeah the paint coverage was a bit heavier um they had marketing
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things like oh yeah you get a load of medium at the top because we do it to um ensure that you know you don't get any
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air drying or anything which is probably probably I could be wrong probably
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marketing [ __ ] to just say yeah we top it off it's dead thick and all your pigment goes to the bottom but whatever it was it was shake the hell out of it
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and it worked great I did a great review you had the whole process of your Triads but then you had blocking your Basse
29:42
collars and you dip wash your highlight they had like a full-on paint something dip and done approach that you got and
29:49
by moving to Fanatics I think the ftic paints they've now improved the quality
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and coverage of their paints but I think they've upped the price yeah which means they're not as
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accessible so it's like they had a unique selling point which you know wouldn't didn't win you any awards for
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like oh you're the best paint but it put you in a position that you were a good
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choice for people with that whereas now they've entered the competition to be as
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average and normal as everyone else yeah what's what's your unique where are you
30:25
unique now so I think yeah I I I completely understand where you're coming from like I think the great thing
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about Army painter is they get rid of some of the quirks of Citadel so Citadel
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only ever have 12 sprays and then they get discontinued
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and they'll bring in another one yeah um so like I imag I can't imagine death card green that I that's that head will
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be on the chopping block relatively soon I would imagine cuz they released them in like eth yeah yeah but I think what
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probably keeps death guard on the it's like a military green cuz it's it's the nearest thing they do to a military yeah
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so Army painter have like two or three Greens in sprays yeah um they they have
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a ton of sprays and they're all color matched and that's fantastic the paints are in dropper bottles which is really
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good are they color matched anymore yeah like I remember they were color matched to the war paint to the wall paints oh
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so there might be a change there might be an upcoming change or they might just be selling out I I I don't know I please
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let us know in the comments guys what the hell is going off over at army painter they're they're in dropper bottles and every single bottle has two
31:37
agitators in it brilliant two is the golden number incredible I think that's
31:44
such a good thing I think people in in history have have you know obviously
31:49
very recent history have leveled a lot of criticisms at army painter and they've taken it on board and done
31:56
something about it um speed PT two I think's great do you know I like painter
32:02
was when they got uh when they got dragged a little bit for uh reactivation reactivation amongst and you know but
32:09
when they got dragged for that you know I liked about them was the fact they could have either a ignored it or B
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doubled down on it and go there's nothing wrong with this but they didn't they went now we've listened and we've
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had to think about it and yeah we we think you're right he might be an issue and yeah this that and the other
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where that what they actually think about their own product behind closed doors was a completely different man
32:32
matter but what they presented to the public was I thought they took a really nice level yeah headed approach to that
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and um I've got to be honest I don't own a lot of it but um anything that I use that is Army painter I've never never
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had any problems with generally for me I think they've been pretty decent don't own any of the fanatic paints I I don't
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either their one thing I will say their toughs are Chef's kiss oh yeah yeah all a lot
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of the sidebar stuff that Army painter does is very good yeah tweez is they've got they have a laser pointer but they
33:06
have one that's like a line of sight laser pointer so it puts a straight line on your Battlefield so if you're like if
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you're playing kill team and so well when we recorded like the very first
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kill team for Warhammer plus um someone whose name I can't remember but also
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don't want to say it just in case um we're sort of like right oh can they see each other and instead of like getting
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down level and oh we can kind just get your pointer just go Boop and you'll be
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like yep the bases touch each other so it just puts a straight line on your on your board oh and it's genius yeah
33:43
really really good you know if you try to it's really good for making sure you win a game or kill te if you play against a cat yeah a cat's like that and
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then just go he's lost for all the times you play kill team with just start moving your minutes cat doesn't even
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notice anymore there's a fure video series kill team with cats yes brilliant
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yeah so I think the Army painter do the ancillary stuff really really well their
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tools as well I really like they like not to put well yeah to put Citadel down their latest tools are are terrible for
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the price they charge for the quality they it doesn't work there anymore that's why whatever it is I don't know
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like don't get me wrong the previous ones were more form than function but at least they had form these ones have
34:25
neither form nor good function they're just cheap the drill hurts your hands yeah um and is the weirdest shape but
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yeah so Army painter when it comes to your ancillary tools and stuff like that much better affordable and they don't
34:38
dress it up to be like oh these are the best they're just like here's some tools and they work yeah they do and they're
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at reasonable prices two please yeah I think I I think I would rounds up for me by saying with army pain they just get
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on with the job don't they yes I think they do M yeah I think they just get on with the job and I'll I you know and
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there's something to be said for that yeah yeah definitely I I I think you know the only downside would be that if
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you're watching a tutorial and someone was doing Army painter um it's kind of
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similar to what Duncan does with Toth and coats he goes right I'm going to use Duncan special paint number
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one if you've got Citadel it's similar to this like people always refer back to
35:21
Citadel cuz that's what everyone understands am I right is it Army painter who actually give you a no it's
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not it's it was two thing coats when when you got the collection they give you a conversion guide to I think
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Citadel and valo which is smart I think I think that's an incredibly sensible idea makes business sense yeah they're
35:38
not matches but they're like this is the closest equivalent and I will also say about them as well if you're a new
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starter um and you feel a bit terrified by expensive pain brushers their entry
35:49
level pain brushes are generally pretty good as well for Army pained they like do a mega paint brush set and duck rhod
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uses Army pained brushes until I until uh I he I think he uses a mix doesn't he
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depending on what mood he's in the job he's doing yeah I think when he first started he used to use his a regiment
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brush a hell of a lot doesn't he yeah I think so yeah yeah and I think they yeah I think they yeah do you know I think as
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a company they seem like a nice bunch of people yeah and they produce quite a reasonable brand when it comes to paints
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I think it's it's pretty decent so who will we go with next what do you think
36:24
we've got two two big dogs up there we've got B and again please tell us in the comments how to pronounce valer Hill
36:29
the best thing about that is that people will then try and type pronunciations which is the hard so but please if you
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think you can please do but um or valo or uh we we should do
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AR car yeah well let's do uh let's do Val first shall we and then do what do
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who vjo vjo um so my experience with
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them I've been using them a bit more quite a bit more recently with getting into airbrushing a bit more um I bought
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a selection of their air range I think it was Game air um and I think that's
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fantastic I think they're really really good and who would have think it the air paints work great through an airbrush oh
37:13
my god um so that's wonderful um I also used a lot of their uh metallics like
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the air metallics but I've never I've never put them through a airbrush really well the the we'll come back to that so
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the um the bigger you know you get your bigger po metal color that's it metal color see they have tons of ranges but
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like using those as metallics cuz the coverage is so good obviously the paint's super liquidy so you have to be
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careful you don't overload your brush I always have um a uh a piece of of um
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kitchen roll to just dab off some of the excess moisture and then it's just like oh Fantastic look I've covered I've
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painted this in No Time cover is great and it looks awesome like I'm a big fan of EAS stuff that's easy to use and
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gives you a good result I feel like that's the Holy Grail of miniature painting and I've tried a bunch of other
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metallics and I for me I think they're the best metallic paints that you could
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put on your Miniatures I love valo I rarely do I think they I think they are
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probably the range that I use most next to Citadel and they do have to Echo Pat
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they're gunmal in that bigger pot because you use so much of it great for me and I've banged on from the very
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first episodes I think of of of our show UPS of items now they're uh they're
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black metal such a brilliant color which ones oh in the pots the model color black metal yes yeah it's you can get
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air version as well you can get an air which is what I use oh in in model Air Model air see that's where I get
38:56
confused cuz they've got so many Rangers they've got game color game Air Model color model
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airor Mecca they have got I've never touched a meca paint I don't know what makes them different to other paints cuz
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I know I know Richard Gray uses the mecca varnish right he always uses the
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mecca Mecca varnish but that there is a reason but yes it's like it is M
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boggling how many varieties there's loads and I guess one of the this perhaps not as a beginner the best one
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to go into because you don't get that help like the AR Army Painter with the wall paints they now have sorry The
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Fanatic they go right here's your range of Blues and it's like 1 2 3 4 5 six
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yeah and it's like darker to brighter boom Citadel you've got right you could use that you could use that and
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obviously if you're more experienc with painting and you've gone okay well that's red I want a brighter one I quite
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like that one actually uh burnt orange then um that's your wild rder red
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equivalent so you don't they don't hold your hand as much do they no but they
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they but the range is amazing you know especially when I I remember when I first got into it cuz um at the time it
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was um as I've talked about before one of my local shops I use a lot uh boys boy one of the oh they yeah yeah they
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they they held quite a good run of um game color m and their model color yeah
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and it was great you know because if you wanted something vibrant if you were doing fantasy or doing space range
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something you wanted something with loads of punch that was great but then if you were doing Imperial guards which I used to do the model color range
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because it was more second world war and more drab was also really really good I just think their metals are great and
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like I say that that uh black metal that I use straight over whatever color
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you've primed the miniature and then it already puts a great base in for then metal to go top of that they they're
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great and I like the name of the the range names make I just like make life a little bit easier than they make sense
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they make sense cuz you know I was I was saying I I sometimes buy paints for Citadel where I don't even understand
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what the name of don't know what that creature is sometimes buy it and then they'll re-release the range and they go
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H and I go oh so that's what one of them is I've been using that pain for three years I did that with graer I didn't
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know that that was a scaven model and then I always make the same
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I'm like clockwork I always make the same joke and I'm like oh they named that model after the paint but um yeah it's almost like look
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how look how close this asteroid crashed to The Visitor Center kind
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of have you not seen that me show you after that Grand Canyon
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Visitor went how how convenient it was that the Grand Canyon was here so close
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to the visitor center yeah I love them I I I think they generally they their consistency is really good I generally
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they're not one of them ones where I go I've never found myself saying about a a valo paint I've never found myself going
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oh it's good but it's chalky I've never said that the consistency is incredible consistency is always good and I tell
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you what as well I bought a lot of them and then became a bit more Citadel and they were just living in this tote bag
42:27
and then I was thinking I'm sure I've got a color that because I tell you what the color was it came up mentioned on a YouTube video someone was talking about
42:33
leather and said British Army Brown and you know I went should have got that
42:40
should have got that sure have got that and I went into this tote bag and I had all of these paints that I realized I hadn't touched in about 5 years and oh
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you know what bang in the tub with all of the other ones started using them you have thought I bought them a couple of
42:52
weeks ago they just behave and store so well I have a lot of and also which I've
42:58
now just started to use their new range of um translucents cuz I don't know whether they call them a wash or a
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contrast or whatever corre Express paints Express p is that what it is they
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do a wasteland Brown I've started using over you know something bone color or
43:15
you know like that I've been using as a quick leather on Cru When I don't want to go into it too much and they're great
43:21
I've been really I've been wanting to have a play with Express paints like the r the range isn't huge is it um but they
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seem to like burst onto the scene and everyone was like yeah they're amazing but then people still uh use like it
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seems like speed paint or Citadel contrast pain and again is more popular you think about f as well they're not
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they're not wallet breaking no no they're not yeah you're right and the fact that you can get them in hobby store it's an interesting one I don't
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fully agree that the consistency across the ranges there don't get me wrong you don't get bad paints but I wouldn't say
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they're any better than like there are some paints that are like oh these are easier to use some where it's just like
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oh my God this is absolute trash in a bottle I've had some um bright greens
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some some warm greens where I've just been like the coverage on this is trash but that is generally tends to be
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anything in the warmer Spectrum anyway like yellows and stuff like that tend to be bad so I would say consistency across
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the range in my experience of a lot of the colors is again it's it it goes into that
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average that's to Mid yeah fair to Middle it's all right then like they're not oh my God I must only buy valo cuz
44:34
they're the best paints i' I've been wowed by in fact I haven't been wowed by many but I I've been more disappointed
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with coverage the coverage of some random ones than I've been wowed by any
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they're they're okay to good Workman yeah good one like and they came in because I think again back when I got
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into the back into the hobby around 200 14 um give or take
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20145 they were the ones that were kind of blowing up because and it felt like
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everyone was like well I don't want to go cadel and they were the next biggest yes yeah they were I think at one point in time they were definitely the and I'm
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sure the Divide was massive but they were the ones nearest to biting at the heels cuz he wasn't a lot of competitors
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yeah yeah at one point it felt like it was Citadel or them and then and then a load of ancillary Brands around Citadel
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very new at the time but no they've done well but Val's done good I think the the
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bit that frustrated me the most I thought right if I'm going to get into these I'm going to save up and I got the
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big you know the suitcase so you get a suitcase I thought I'll go in with model color so for anyone who doesn't know model color is the more military
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realistic stuff fantasy and game is the more bright vivid that sort of stuff
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then you've got Mecca which I don't know the difference there I'd imagine glossier finishes aot and things like in
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that range as well I got one fluorescent from that range yeah I think that's one thing or at least the time when I looked
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it doesn't clearly Define the difference is that the sort of stuff that you would probably say Mecca is what you would be
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using if you were using the valo range was what you would use for synth wave and that sort of style I I think they're
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more for gunpla I think that's what they're aimed at they're aimed at gunpla but then you've got the metal color
46:21
range which is the airbrush ones which they they it's basically a load of
46:27
silvers one gold one bronze and that gold is like like piss gold it's that
46:33
it's that sort of color so don't bleep that it was a good word but it is it it is it is I would describe it as pissy
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gold if you look at it you'll agree um but yeah like those that range but when
46:46
you brush on those airbrush colors after you've got to keep them mixed haven't you my God the coverage like I've
46:53
described these as you know how like metallic paints tend to be a bit
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more gloopy yes these are thinner
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than paint it's almost like painting with contrast thin metallic they're
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incredible even for air paints they're thin yes yeah amazing I I got you cuz
47:19
you have model color you also but then I got some gay air CU I couldn't find a
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bronze in metal color but I found a game air one and that came out and in
47:31
comparison it's like using normal paint I was just like what earth like I thought that there's so you know that
47:38
maybe that is a potential downside is there's just so much difference so many quirks so you could have gamer silver
47:45
game a chrome but they're different from the metal color like bigger pots yeah like g game air it's either the game a
47:52
silver or Chrome yeah one of them the one that's completely like you pour it out and it's almost like mirror pure
47:57
Chrome's great Chrome that's it like that is a yeah that I use that to highlight all of my metalic I'm thinking
48:04
I'm thinking of game a silver I'm sure but yeah like for a high it dry brushes silver aluminum and chrome in game and
48:11
they're all good but yeah no the actual metal color but the one beyond that is I
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don't know if it's called liquid metal or liquid gold Range is the alcohol based ones that not only are they the
48:25
same you've got you've got to thin them alcohol and clean them with alcohol but there again one coat coverage but the
48:30
difference is the reflection of the shine is insane but as soon as it's dry you've got to get a clear coat over it
48:36
or it'll actually oxidize oh but it's so shiny it's incredibly shiny I love it
48:43
it's like painting with metal and if you if you put it this way if you if you airbrush it onto a matte surface it will
48:50
look M if you airbrush it onto a gloss surface it will reflect back to you like Chrome wow okay so there's my my last
48:59
thing I'll say for me on uh Vallejo is the fact they are and people go oh no
49:04
they're not the only ones but they um but they are probably one of the best for doing um sets with colors in and
49:12
then giving you an instruction leflet of how to do it cuz they do I bought from them um a series of it was just colors
49:18
out their normal range but they put them together and then they put a really cool leaflet in there it was like here's how to do weathered Rusty tanks using what's
49:25
in this box and and they and they do a lot of that they do NMM ones of that
49:31
they do ones for faces and they do do ones for like human faces in a number of ranges of of of
49:38
skin types and then they do here's like Undead and goblins so you push through the grains the greens get more and they
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do a lot of that and there's there is some of them knocking around scale 75 do some but of that do a lot as well yeah
49:52
but I think the the the little manual that comes with it is really well
49:58
written yeah so that will always that will I've I've had two of them box sets
50:04
from from valo and and yeah they they're good guys for that see I thought I was good getting you know the big model I
50:11
got model color that was it cuz that was meant to be their biggest range so I thought well if I'm going to go in I'm going to get the model color range the
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whole model color range in that suitcase it's not the whole model color range it's not even nearly the whole model
50:23
color range in that suitcase so when I was watching a guide on Space Wolves that Ed like a deep sea green it's it's
50:29
a really good Space Wolves color that's just got a little bit more green in it than blue fantastic scheme and I went to
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go and get it out my case I was like yeah I haven't got that or the shade or the Highlight for it those are different colors I'm like well that was 200 odd qu
50:43
quid well spent I'm now going to go and buy six more valo paints yeah like I've I've did something similar with the uh
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with the air range I bought like a small suitcase of it cuz I was like oh I want to try these out and see what they're like and I'm glad did cuz they're
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fantastic and you've got some of each color and they have a ton of different color primers as well the airbrush
51:03
primers the black I think is great um AK airbrush primer is too matte and you can just flake it off with your fingers
51:10
whereas the Val one's like a bit more solid I like it same as styal res like everyone recommends styal res and when
51:15
I've got a good one it's gone on well the problem is I think if you if styal res gets frozen or below or to toward
51:22
zero and then Heats back up it completely breaks down and ends up clogging up my airbrush
51:27
like nothing else but it is when I've got I got one bottle of a good one and used it quick it was amazing what the
51:33
best primer I've ever used too risky temperamental yeah I realized we talked
51:38
a lot about the metallics in Vallejo we haven't with army painter or Citadel I think they're fine are we Citadel I
51:45
think they're retried armor if you had to if I had to throw a metal out there for citel they do cuz I think like I say
51:51
that that old copper or old bronze for for Army pain I think do great uh
51:58
metallic colors in a variety of ranges which is something that when we get to AK is what I will twist the knife a
52:06
little so then oh um AR the Army paint has got contrast the speed paint metall
52:12
metallics I not I can't even get I've not used them and I can't even get my head round to understand on what they are they're not ly
52:21
not Bas kind they're like I I would say they're like thinner versions of valo
52:27
metal color yeah so you get you get your your coverage in there um you do get a
52:34
variation of color but it's quite subtle I think so you still might want to stick
52:41
a wash in the recesses you still might want to highlight it over the top in which case why would you use the
52:50
sped paint metallics I think if you want a one coat solutioning and you're doing it as quickly as possible you get more
52:56
variation than you would with a traditional metallic paint which would just be everything's the same color so
53:02
you do get that I think as a one coat solution which I think is what it's kind of designed for smashing but um if you are going to add
53:10
stuff to it to put more contrast in then you might as well use something else but
53:15
the ease of use for getting it on is a plus yeah cool yeah yeah it's it's easier to paint with a speed paint
53:23
metallic than you know thinning down your traditional gun metal and doing it with
53:29
two coats it is a great it's a good speed paint as the name suggests what one are you taken with you from out of
53:36
valo what one valo color we didn't do army painter either what am I taking
53:41
with me out of army painter original strong tone out of army
53:47
painter original recipe strong tone yeah yeah that's a good yeah um oh I ate to I
53:53
ate to feel like I'm riding your coils but I think I might have to go with you on there that's all right I don't know I
53:58
I don't know what I'm going to do with army painter I could probably only go with what I've used fairly recently and I thought
54:04
they're uh D green like DW green I thought that was really nice speed paint
54:11
so I'll take that cool okay why you Tak valo I would have said um out of valo I
54:16
would have said they're a they're not oh the good thing about valo is you can learn Spanish while you paint yeah cuz
54:22
everything's written on it in English and Spanish um but no I was going to the valo the 70950 black because that is the
54:30
one you have to base your rims in but we'll come back to why that's changed for me recently out of the entire valo
54:36
range I'm taking airbrush thinner oh oh yeah yeah yeah yeah of
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course yeah they do I think cuz I I use their aush thing and it's great it's
54:48
just the one that works with pretty much every isn't it oh that's a really good shout um what are you taking J I'm going
54:54
to go where I'm going to part like it's 2022 and we never mentioned it in the Vallejo range and and I I stayed away
55:01
from it on purpose cuz it became a meme and it is great it's pale sand pale sand
55:07
is very good I don't know this meme it Dana Dana how was she championed and
55:14
rightly so she championed pale sand yeah it did get a bit wear and where Dana's head would pop up in every third uh
55:21
video of hero did someone say pale sand to be fair it's a really great highlight
55:27
and it highlights on so many different colors yeah and doesn't look out of place you
55:32
know if you like a spot highlight or whatever you can spot highlight greens with it and Blum and reds with it you name it for some reason it's just so
55:40
neutral it just manages to work as highlight kind of like an ice yellow not
55:46
a million miles away from my it's a warmer ice yellow so it's a warm white
55:52
is yeah yeah it doesn't Bend as far into being bone yeah but yeah but yeah yeah
55:58
okay so yeah I'm sorry to be a cliche but yeah but pale Sand's really really good all arounder I think for me I
56:05
wouldn't take P sand because you can get pale sand in other ranges yes uh for me the most unique thing that I benefit
56:11
from is the metal color yeah so I I wouldn't I wouldn't take Chrome
56:19
no because you can for doing highlights using traditional metallic paints is
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fine uh so I would either do uh gunmal or exhaust manifold oh
56:32
exhaust manifolds are really good paint oh theun the gunmal is a little bit of a purpley one isn't it and the exhaust
56:37
manifold is the slightly browny one so those those dreadnots that I painted they're exhaust manifold um oh okay and
56:44
then washed with n oil and highlighted up yeah U so yeah I tell you what I'd take exhaust manifold it's like a nice
56:51
darkish and and hats off to hats off to valo for doing pots of pain in that size
56:59
useful they're so cheap for that size as well I think they're about seven I think
57:04
from in element games so it's obviously a little bit cheaper 720 or something like that they were they might have gone
57:10
up cool and I think um it's worth noting and another shout out to Marco um you
57:15
can mix them the lighter ones like he uses dur aluminium and he mixes in contrast paint or ink yeah um might not
57:22
be contrast paint but it mixes in translucent uh with a little bit of Val vjo uh glaze medium it might be glaze
57:31
medium or gloss medium and then you can make your own colored so you know how I was saying contrast colored contrast
57:39
metallics which come across as better than no offense Army painter I love you
57:44
guys but better as the AR than the Army painter ones um and the coverage is just
57:49
insane and colors whatever color you want because I was saying earlier the gold and bronze in theirs is in that
57:55
range is weak but you can have anything from you know shiny green to shiny black
58:01
you can have shiny black it's brilliant yeah yeah cool yeah okay all right should we do should we do uh V's uh kind
58:09
of cousin that nobody really talks about they were identical twins but they were raised separately they very much get
58:16
raised separately it's it's AKA so look good old lovely brilliant
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but problematic AK yes so obviously we have the questionable marketing strategies that they've done in the past
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you can make up your mind with uh if they were bad enough that you wouldn't use the
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paints because we've hello because we've um we've used a lot of AK in the past
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which which started when you bought the U bought the big suitcase come here she's off screen so she is off screen
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dog off saying hi Bella this is Bella she's she's here yeah but yeah go on you've used them in the past well and
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and we really got into some B from very early on when we started to become and we in fact we we worked with them for a
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while as a deal um we we every sort of like one in 20 someone would gu gu would
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say I wouldn't trust them with I wouldn't touch them with the barge pole like yeah people have got quite strong points on how they see it I think some
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of what they wanted to convey in the this book that they
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released about the horrors of the world I think some of what they wanted to convey I thought was coming from a good
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place really badly marketed oh God yeah really badly marketed some of what they were trying to say as I've always said
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as being an ex Soldier it's always very easy to go oh the when it comes to model where model Soldier diaramas go the
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horrors of war and it's dead soldiers and what generally don't get in dire armors is the horrors of War dead
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civilians and you know the amount of civilians lost in Wars compared to the
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amount of soldiers lost is is ridiculous and I think their book was well meaning and badly done so
1:00:03
I sort of understands everyone's rage for AK and if they really offend you I get it
1:00:09
but I also think I don't think they meant I think it was I think they were trying to do something good and just Del
1:00:16
yeah I think mistake mistakes can happen I think that that was I think it's something probably Lost in Translation
1:00:21
and culture isn't it but I I'm not here to defend I'm not here about whether or not I like the paints and I like the
1:00:29
paints I really like the paints and it's hard but I I don't want to get caught up
1:00:36
in Hobby politics no problem is they go hand in hand which is a problem isn't it
1:00:42
yeah and and they keep doing like this you know they just keep doing it and it's like I really want to like you AK I
1:00:49
want to give you money your products are great but you keep doing stuff that just
1:00:56
isn't okay um but to the paints third gen acrylics third gen acrylics oh my
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God they're amazing I love them I would uh I I would quite confidently happily
1:01:08
sort of say that I think they're probably the best acrylic paints on the
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market as a range when it comes to consistency and and what they can do
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yeah I agree I I I I remember someone telling me when the red came out and went check this someone else has checked
1:01:25
it it and they got a preview copy and like is that not like just the most intense red ever and it's brilliant and
1:01:31
I checked it I was like Yeah it's red like cuz that's how much I like pain like don't get me wrong I don't like going going down to Scientific detail
1:01:38
but I picked up a serious I did it was last year at jenon and I got them just before I went to Gen Con and I was doing
1:01:45
some dry brushing demos um and I took that with me that that you know that I'm
1:01:51
pointing out you know the little case with the things and I took that with me and I was like I love these paints like
1:01:57
they dry brush really well they cover really well you can thin them downish
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is all very matte on and they're all very consistent like they're not not all
1:02:08
of them are perfect but it seems like they're in an upper echelon just
1:02:13
slightly above what I was saying earlier about CAD Del valo Army painter being average these are and it's it's a hairs
1:02:21
difference these feel just above aage and really sensibly named well so so so
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this is potentially um might be you know valo KH vejo let say all three various
1:02:36
variations of it um can't copyright you know offwhite yeah and this that and
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like you know you know all that kind of stuff Rick red wine red yeah that's it so they're very very similar yeah to vo
1:02:51
and as we've discussed before you know some of the valo paints the restock at least here in the UK it's been a bit
1:02:57
iffy it's been a bit iffy and then you go oh well I wanted you know gray green but there's AK gray green so maybe I'll
1:03:04
just pick that one up and try it like um so I yeah I think I think the third gen acrylics are fantastic I think what you
1:03:12
were saying Ross about the consistency of them is 100% correct I think if you
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you figure out there's less figuring out of how to use individual paints once you
1:03:24
learn the range once you learn one paint then you can kind of generally do it
1:03:30
over the and and and they are learning to make they are starting to make colors that lean into the fantasy side CU I
1:03:36
think AK very ear on I think were very much diarama mil military diarama massively yeah and they and you know as
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their ancillary range which is mind-bogglingly good of different types
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of Earth and a bottle in a tub it's it's ridiculous you know plastic tubing
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I think it I'm not sure but I think it might even be AK who make um uh 28 mil
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bootprints on sticks I didn't know that was a thing you know so if you're doing dire armor of like an American Soldier
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say on a field yeah cuz cuz he hasn't been teleported there he's obviously had to walk to that point yeah I think it
1:04:14
might be AK it might be I might be wrong but I think it's AK that do not just do they do bootprints but it's like US Army
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bootprint like Japanese bootprint British Army and to like yeah can I just
1:04:27
ask somebody out there there's got to be somebody out there who can do 3D modeling cuz Games Workshop will never do this give us that with Space Marine
1:04:34
boot Space Marine feet pleas just do Space Marine feet as a STL I can thing
1:04:39
and then you could do tow on do the little Hooves oh my God yeah like yeah that
1:04:46
would be amazing and then that that just win you the gold it's PEAK Internet
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because you're making loads of money off of feet piics but yeah
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can you do M ly Allens but how many times though have you have
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you had a Space Marine with his foot his toes there and the back of his foot up
1:05:08
and then under where the mud he's been stood in is just flat like don't you just want something you can push into
1:05:15
that to to like give it the bootprint yes you do that a genius idea yeah yeah
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so but um speaking of things um sorry speaking of naming good naming it reminded me army paint that we didn't
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talk about they've actually got now I two names I yeah so two well so I
1:05:33
originally thought every color had its Army painter name like rainforest electric line Vivid Vault all that but I
1:05:41
actually thought so there is and I learned this a while ago in art there is
1:05:46
a a standard for colors okay so they've all got names yeah they've all got like
1:05:52
standard names and I thought Army painter were going to were including those names on all their
1:05:59
paints so it I don't think they are well I don't know so on the speed paint too
1:06:04
they are yeah so it could be that so what I've got here so I was looking at the green that's the example so here
1:06:10
you've got Emerald Forest leafy green rainforest electric lime Vivid Vault and I think it's Afterglow I can't read it
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cuz the bottle's there and on the side of every bottle at least two of them they sound like something I would drink
1:06:22
I'd probably drink all of them Elric after those two drinks I'd probably drink the rest Elric electric sounds
1:06:28
great to me but on all of those it says vibrant green at the bottom and then it tells you which of the Hues so I don't
1:06:35
know that it is the standard there's a name for it again if anyone in the comments knows if anyone watching knows
1:06:41
Ben Sienna goes across so many ranges cuz CU I think that is exceptional for
1:06:46
anybody that's color blind oh yeah yeah definitely is is if you're like whatever
1:06:53
variation of color blindness you are if you go what is like and again Army
1:06:58
painter it's like Citadel without the quirks yeah and and I think that's probably the the almost the better way
1:07:03
to describe them now um because everything they do is helpful yeah yeah
1:07:10
yeah they're they're actually adding like it's a tiny little thing yeah that adds value to the to the to the buyer so
1:07:18
things like calling all of these like here's six greens now to be fair a lot
1:07:23
of army painters paints cuz they've got a lot of I think it's 260 odd colors the yeah and the range size it's insane it
1:07:29
is like but I I I genuinely feel like by looking at these and just generally guessing with my eyes a lot of these are
1:07:37
like a middle paint with either more white or more black added I've heard that yeah like so you m you could mimic
1:07:44
them you could get like the the bottom one and the top one and just mix them yourself yeah pretty almost or you could
1:07:50
get the middle one and mix them yourself by adding more white but I [ __ ] hate
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mixing paints I was just about to say that yeah oh okay yeah I would I would I
1:08:00
like on one hand it's kind of like oh why have you done that you could just add more black more white you could yeah go ahead do it save yourself some money
1:08:07
but you know if you don't want to and you just want to go five colors that are always the same color yeah thank you for
1:08:13
mixing for me brilliant yeah yeah I take the dent in my wallet over my sanity yes
1:08:19
exactly yeah people pay for convenience if they didn't then wet palletes wouldn't exist as a product yeah yeah
1:08:26
yeah cool so Petes we've been
1:08:32
there they're great I love wet palets um yeah AK so they they are they obviously
1:08:39
have streaking Grime they have their enamel range pencils um they've got the
1:08:45
weathering pencils yes weathering powders yeah all water effects different
1:08:51
variants of mud and cracked so they um texture paints as we'll call them
1:08:57
because that's kind of like what sit on they really good and so ridiculously cheap compared to buying it from Games
1:09:03
Workshop yeah insanely like we have um uh a part of Luna desert yeah and I
1:09:10
think that's easily the most used one and that's kind of what's is what's the
1:09:16
um Citadel version of that like it looks like the moon ESS and Earth yeah no but it's the same
1:09:25
type and and it's like you get so much more and it's oh it's in a tub not that much
1:09:31
more expensive so they're kind of like that big and it's still going strong after like two years of abuse and the
1:09:37
amount different colors they do with them they do them where you can have the ground literally like blood red if you
1:09:43
do like demons you name it they it's a really really good range um they it's
1:09:49
interesting like you know cuz I I B I bought the suitcase with my own money and um I don't regret it at all no you
1:09:56
got your M right that and but even that isn't the full range I don't think well
1:10:01
well it was but they've now released they've now released like I think half a dozen paints that are like color Punch
1:10:08
or something they're like oh we thought these were missing from the range they do like a brain matter one now as well
1:10:13
great do you remember do you remember Vegas when Byron went to tell them office having too many colors yes yeah
1:10:21
yeah he's like why do you need six Reds that are all the same old good old Byron he knows his paint
1:10:29
though CU interestingly I mean wine red yeah they do like a brain color is
1:10:34
madness you've got brick red and dirty red that are different but they're quite
1:10:40
similar they'd both be mist and red if it was yeah yeah yeah they do um red
1:10:45
wine and rosé wine yeah and then white wine as well it's Californian and Australian that's
1:10:52
it yeah yeah they'll do riao white RI red Mero red
1:10:58
yeah Matti P yeah speaking of good red we did this once before did me that we
1:11:04
should have ranges of paints that are named after food so everyone would automatically know what they were see I still think I I wish Brands would do
1:11:11
this there is a standard for color naming stop giving us White Scar versus white star we can tell what you're doing
1:11:17
guys just call them both titanium white which is the right name everyone should
1:11:23
have that so that we can then Marco does it he names all his color like he refers to the contrast um green
1:11:32
he refers to one the contrast greeners green gold because it is a color it is a
1:11:38
color that's its actual name and if we did that we could start applying more Fine Art techniques to our Miniatures
1:11:44
and actually use I don't know the thousands of years we've been learning arts worth of learning here so so to
1:11:52
keep ourselves anyway to keep ourselves punchy uh what are you
1:11:57
taking from AK uh black it's the best black on the market hands down okay what
1:12:03
are you teing same so that's you remember earlier I was talking about valo black Val valo whatever you talking
1:12:10
about they're black and that used to be my favorite I text the group once and you were like no use this and I tried
1:12:15
the AK black and I'm like Jesus Christ I've never I think their white is the best on the market as well to be fair I
1:12:21
think the than Bal titanium yes I would say that their
1:12:26
white I prefer using to procil bold titanium white
1:12:31
because oh it's just I find it bring it yeah oh um I think it's it it just goes
1:12:40
on a bit smoother it's a bit creamier I find with the pro krill stuff and uh sometimes it just has a bit of a texture
1:12:47
to it and I don't know if that's cuz I haven't shook it enough or I've thinned it down too much or whatever but the
1:12:52
yeah the black and the white from AK I think they've done the great thing where they've nailed those two because they're
1:13:01
they're the kind of Staples that people check on aren't they like we all go Citadel other the whites are shocking
1:13:06
but they've nailed it and then everything else just kind of follows suit yeah mine is
1:13:11
black rubber black yeah rubber black is great is that a different black yeah
1:13:17
yeah it's a it's it's it's got a it just goes on so it does look more like a the color slightly warm and I tell you where
1:13:24
I love it Space Marines oh on the on the yeah oh that
1:13:30
makes sense but what we didn't say which was something we were going to we were going to talk about so I I I was trying
1:13:36
to put AK to bed then but oh AK Metals oh yeah um the yeah the metallic paints
1:13:43
are just bang average um yeah they they they they have some colored metallics
1:13:50
which like there's like a red metallic like a purple one they seem like you like why Earth would you have this there
1:13:56
must have been something in World War II that had you know was colored metallics but I I I think they like they're fine
1:14:04
yeah cuz maybe as you say that there isn't a great deal of requirement to be painting gold if you do in second world
1:14:09
war they they don't have the range of colors I don't think they go dark enough
1:14:16
um like dark aluminium is which is like an insanely bright aluminium I really
1:14:21
like Edge highlighting with that um like they silver and stuff I think fine Fred
1:14:26
highlighting coverage is you know similar to your Citadel paints you might have to do two coats or or whatever but
1:14:32
you Citadel you you know you got iron Warriors you got that really dark sort of metallic valo obviously have all of
1:14:39
their you know all the way down to Black yeah Army painter have that range as well AK just seems to have NE neglected
1:14:45
their metallics a bit they kind of go right well here's like a gun one why would you have a dark one that's not
1:14:51
realistic um yeah with with all with extras they've given you everywhere else
1:14:57
it's kind of like yeah I'm not I'm not mad about it but I I always reach for something else first I think maybe in
1:15:03
their approach they kind of think like metal is met metal is a multifaceted um process whereas you know
1:15:10
it's not just acrylic lighter acrylic lighter acrylic because they they are built around the diarama painter more
1:15:18
than I think than anything and that's where you get some really cool stuff but I think for your metallics in their mind
1:15:23
maybe it's painted with a base collar but then use cuz they've got um like Wax
1:15:30
based metallics as well so so then use these different materials so they don't
1:15:35
cross contaminate and give you different textures and I don't know maybe I feel like
1:15:42
AK like not accidentally like cuz I feel like they made some of the best miniature Paints in the world and then
1:15:50
for diaramas and and War Gamers like historical War Gamers and they were oh oh loads of like like War like loads of
1:15:57
Warhammer people want to paint with them now yeah yeah let's do and I'm like we need some darker metallics but that
1:16:04
probably would have never entered because it doesn't exist or whatever the one thing I've just thought the one thing I do want to NE on them for a bit
1:16:09
is so when I first bought my suitcase I bought the little I thought that the little suitcase cuz they do two they do
1:16:15
a one tier suitcase and then they do a second suitcase where you unlatch the
1:16:21
bottom and there's a whole other level 600 yeah so I bought the first one but
1:16:27
then nowhere on their website does it clearly explain the first set comes with
1:16:32
this out of the whole range the second set comes with this out of the whole range and if you buy the first one
1:16:38
here's all the extra bits you need to get the second one cuz I would have just bought all the extras but because I had
1:16:45
some unused element crystals I ended up buying the whole bloody box again so I've now got the big suitcase and the
1:16:51
little suitcase of paints that I just I'll never for use but because it it
1:16:57
doesn't clearly tell you what's not in one so if you if you're thinking of getting into it test a couple of the paints then just buy the big bloody
1:17:03
suitcase I don't I don't like some of the things that were missing in that little suitcase an ochre there was no
1:17:09
ochre who doesn't put an ochre in a saying that I I rarely use ochre to be
1:17:16
fair you paint a lot of in fists and stuff as well don't you yeah yeah I like
1:17:22
OCH it's a great b yellow yeah yeah right then all right can I pick yeah
1:17:27
please do a I'll bracket this by saying they are lovely people proac roll oh
1:17:35
yeah yeah I love them proac roll range uh I think other than uh OB say
1:17:43
for without I'll say straight away other than the Bold titanium white which I bought yeah when I'd heard people
1:17:49
talking about it on that day YouTube about how good it was I went and bought a bottle of that and I convinced Pat
1:17:54
about buy a bottle of that and quite happily sat with that and had that for months and then we did some work with uh
1:18:03
Mr Byron from element game/ ofus and he gave us uh all a big box of of them each
1:18:10
and then he fact he gave us two boxes cuz he gave us a loads of colors and then he gave us a box of their metallics
1:18:16
oh there yeah and then uh and now having come into contact with the lovely people
1:18:21
at Monument um they've given us more paints further down the line mhm uh I
1:18:27
think at Vegas I was given paints and then I was given paints again at adepticon so I've got to say other than
1:18:33
one pot of paint I haven't put my hands in my pocket with Pro acel so it sounds a little bit disingenuous to go there
1:18:39
great because I've been given them but God they're really good I love them I can go the other way I I got I got some
1:18:48
free not all of them in fact I might have bought I don't remember I got some free originally
1:18:55
I think to do to write a review I love them so much that since then because they've been like us-based and then they
1:19:03
come over to the UK um what I've ended up doing is buying
1:19:08
every single time I don't want to wait for them to come to the UK as soon as they're available I have ordered every
1:19:14
single color it is the only range where I've been like whenever you release a new paint I want it saying that I didn't
1:19:21
realize till last week they'd released fluorescence didn't know that was a thing oh I didn't know it yeah I've I've
1:19:26
got some of them oh I think I I bought some at adepticon yeah yeah not
1:19:32
adepticon cuz I wasn't there uh the Las Vegas one yeah but I I love like I love them they are for coverage like I have a
1:19:39
very straight approach to painting which is airbrush dry brush oil wash done now
1:19:45
when it comes to dry brushing I don't think they're the best cuz they are quite matte they leave a texture so if you want in a smooth drive Rush they're
1:19:51
not the best for that but if you just want block out coverage fantastic they
1:19:57
thin down great but I like a text th they thin down and it just feels like
1:20:02
there's no loss in in the in how color pack they are yeah the opacity of them
1:20:09
when you thin them down just they just hold on for dear life see I thought they were when I first got them I thought
1:20:15
like Sylvester Stallone in Cliffhanger I think they are they are the paints yeah
1:20:20
they are the paints that citadel's base acrylics you know the ones they
1:20:25
call Bass they're the paints That citadel's Bass acrylics wish they were like they're that good like they they're
1:20:32
other than mist and red in that R in the Citadel range like the other bass colors
1:20:37
are okay like mist and Red's are top top five for me in that that thing like bold
1:20:43
pyro red isn't quite there in terms of coverage but the rest of them are like
1:20:51
yellow you can go from black to yellow in three Cod thin yeah yeah wow okay they are really
1:20:58
it's just a great range it at first when I got that white I hated that bottle lid
1:21:04
I'm now just really used to it yeah yeah the lids are bit and you know and and even now though even now sometimes you
1:21:10
know painted something and then I've gone oh I could have just done with a little touch of a do you know like like
1:21:17
a button on a space wrist I got and then I just open the bottle twist it and a little blob comes I go bang that
1:21:24
it's um I don't like them for it like you don't airbrush where I don't like them is airbrushing cuz like I don't mix
1:21:31
in a thing and then pour into my cup I just mix straighten the color Cup on the top of an airbrush and you do that and
1:21:37
you like you crack it after you've used it and you drop a little bit and then you watch as this little flake of crud
1:21:42
that wasach to the top goes into your thing and it's like well that's going to clog brilliant so I do love it I like
1:21:49
that they they do sell alternative Lids they do apparently sell yeah like dropper lids I never like the idea of
1:21:55
paying for the same thing twice though no same same yeah I like they going back all the way to Cel paint I are you
1:22:01
talking about inconsistencies or qu I want the thing to work out the pot straight away I've learn with them I use
1:22:07
them I close it and when I close it I wipe it and then I'll give it another
1:22:12
quick W another quick rub before I open it again and use it for the next time but so that is their main Quake for me
1:22:19
is the closing system yeah but I just think I it used to be it's not now but
1:22:24
it used to be my favorite white I still think it's a it's not it's not your favorite still think it's
1:22:30
extraordinarily strong white what is your favorite white my favorite white is
1:22:36
white J Jayla Jayla rowny FW um really oh what the okay we'll come on to that
1:22:42
we'll have to come on to that yeah so I I love it like as I said I do a lot of dry brushing and the the magic of the
1:22:47
dry brush step is in that final step where you go back to traditional dry brushing so the process we go through is
1:22:54
is basically blend your colors through go all the way up to Bright and then I either if it's gray I'll use white
1:23:01
otherwise I'll put a little bit of bold titanium white in it and even though bold titanium white isn't the best for
1:23:06
dry brushing because of the matte texture it picks up the edges better as well so getting a little bit of that
1:23:12
like obviously Byron working with Byron and working with ar Opus we we go to different conventions to sell dry
1:23:18
brushes I've probably sold more bold titanium white by telling people about it we did didn't we
1:23:24
two quite unusual quite quite Not Unusual quite
1:23:30
two intense Brothers Oh to come and they were going oh you need to and I I think
1:23:36
I was going oh going you need to put us because instead of just going can we buy brushes suddenly they they believed that
1:23:42
we were all paint experts which was very wrong are brothers if you're out there
1:23:47
so we remember you're lovely but you're quite quite intense and they um we love you they um
1:23:54
they were like I said oh you know if you do this and do you know if you want to do this these are great bres for that they went and how do we do that and I
1:24:00
was like well you put over a good put you know over a good white and then I went down there with the brick wall
1:24:06
background go and see them and say a one bold titanium white they are your people
1:24:12
and so I still believe in it massively yeah um uh I still believe in it and I
1:24:18
think it's I think it's a great range I've I love that they've started working with um different con and creators I'm
1:24:26
going to Signature Series yeah I'm going to I'm I've picked a miniature that I'm going to start trying to figure out uh
1:24:32
gold NMM and that's going to be my Terminator chaplain I'm going to try and do gold NMM for that and I'm going to
1:24:38
use the range that I was kindly given which was the box from flame on oh yes and then we got a really lovely thing
1:24:44
with that gentleman whose name I embarrassingly still don't know but then the he then gave away a free CU he's
1:24:51
normally a um he's normally a patreon um he normally get does his um tutorials
1:24:57
through patreon all right okay so they're paid for paid tutorials he did a free one to match the paints for
1:25:03
teaching how to do NMM so I'm going to try and get onto that and that was a really nice range of a load of different
1:25:09
Browns and and you know going up to virtually like yellows yeah but I other
1:25:14
than the lids I struggle to find them don't I think they're reasonably priced very get you get a lot in a pot as well
1:25:19
you get a lot in a pot the range and the range of colors isn't to the point of it
1:25:25
being overwhelming like AK in Vallejo it's quite a sensible sized range and I
1:25:30
think that's a detriment actually like over bloated Rangers you're like where do I go but I suppose you don't want off
1:25:37
foron I think there's there's two things isn't there there's like you end up like I'm I'm a collector like to me the hobby
1:25:44
is just amassing the most amount of crap so I've got unbuilt models I've got
1:25:49
unused paints I've got unused airbrushes because I just want to amass the most be
1:25:54
crap that's my I like to how far can I go till I am made to get divorced yeah
1:26:00
pretty much pretty much is that not the end for all of us yeah I think so yeah I'm I'm I'm yeah I'm not married yet
1:26:06
divorce or death whichever comes sooner that's it I'm such a high level War gamer I've been divorced twice
1:26:13
um so P you well I've been divorced twice H that divor twice is is the uh is
1:26:19
the wargamer equivalent of respecing and starting again um but yeah like having
1:26:25
so many Paints in a Range like I suppose most people out there are very much I have a project or I have an army you'll
1:26:31
buy your paints for that army that will be the majority of people if you're a blood angels player you'll have red black lighter red lighter red and maybe
1:26:38
an orange and a white or something some greens and some purples but like for people who really get invested in paints
1:26:45
it's like right I want to go here there's AK they've got 322 Paints in their range maybe I don't know I'm
1:26:51
making that up um I'll get all of them and and that is that isn't just my mindset nobody wants to be in a position
1:26:58
of oh I'm going to paint something different and I don't have the paint that I need not wor is it yeah you're like oh I've got this far and then like
1:27:04
you've got to take yourself out of project mode how many times have you how many times I know I've done it more
1:27:10
times than I care mentioned have you gone to use the paint to realize you don't own it and literally just stopped got the car G and got it yeah couple oh
1:27:17
yeah yeah well I thought I can't my brain won't allow me to go well that's a similar color yeah I can't do that and
1:27:23
that's goes all the way back to me talking about the language of Citadel and following YouTube guid going if I
1:27:29
haven't got it I now have to stop this and drive to in name sh I near did it
1:27:35
the other day when I ran out I realized I had no rakar flesh for the one I did for the villain the inks video and I wanted all the the
1:27:41
tentacles um that look like massive knobs um for anyone you know what I mean everyone told command no no no yeah I
1:27:49
don't mean Orcs they just look like sore penises coming out his back but I just I wanted to spray that RAR flesh yeah and
1:27:56
then um do and I couldn't I didn't have rakar flesh I nearly I used dect Tan in the end but I was so close to getting in
1:28:02
the car and going to element so um well I guess shout out to Pete the
1:28:08
war gamer his color Forge spray D animal bit is is rakar Flash RAR flash yeah
1:28:15
brilliant so you got that cuz they don't make a spray of it do they no they don't and it's it's one of the like deck do
1:28:21
you know it's weird there isn't I don't know a good rakarth flash alternative in
1:28:26
any range and dect Tan's probably the closest but it's just not like AIT a bit
1:28:31
lifeless it needs uh cuz I I used uh some paints that I had to hand painting
1:28:37
a face recently and it just looks a bit dead like I didn't use flesh colors I used like Sandy sort of colors and it it
1:28:44
looked like a corpse like something that is just a bit lifeless I don't know what's in it is it more purple in it or
1:28:52
something isn't it yeah but then using the proper flesh colors similar Shades but they were just there so I uh By
1:29:00
Design haven't really said my opinions on procl oh please don't um I don't use
1:29:06
them all that much and I think like I I love ease of use I also like having my
1:29:12
hand held uh just in day-to-day life but also when I'm painting so I think what
1:29:18
Pro do exceptionally well is their their ranges and bloed they do you know one or
1:29:25
two pigments so everything covers incredibly well um I think as the range
1:29:31
expands I will probably like it more because I think it's great for mixing I
1:29:37
don't want to mix any paints ideally like Army painter Citadel AK that
1:29:43
appeals to me cuz I can be like oh I really need that color oh why would I mix it um CU I like I know what I'm like
1:29:49
if I mix something I'm like oh what ratios did I use with that oh bu it and then trying to recre create it is it's
1:29:55
just a bit of a pain um when you straight out the bottle they are like
1:30:01
super I don't know gloopy is the right word but quite thick really really thick
1:30:06
so you have to th and I think maybe one of my reasons why I don't really use that much is cuz I haven't put the time
1:30:11
in to learn them um whereas I feel like the entry level for say like AK is super
1:30:18
quick and they behave really really well and I just kind of connected with them very quickly procil Pro acril um I I
1:30:27
struggle with a bit more um and the niche that they Supply super super well
1:30:35
doesn't necessarily appeal to me all that much yeah yeah I see what you saying and that's fair like this is the
1:30:41
thing everyone and and I think you know there is I've written articles called
1:30:47
the best paint for Miniatures there is no best paint there is only what's best
1:30:52
for you and you're allowed to be wrong as you are right now yeah absolutely well we we I I like to subscribing to
1:30:59
the to the school of if you don't like something it's not made for you yeah exactly um so I you know procil I think
1:31:07
like and you know everything was I said was related back personally to me I'm
1:31:13
going ex diss the paint right so we're we're going to J con soon actually they'll be there so they make
1:31:21
sure look at this you really really this guy guy who's like but no you're completely right and I think anybody out
1:31:26
there who's watching as well it's like you know oh I wouldn't recommend them to
1:31:32
beginners I would I would go the other way I I think the I think you know sit
1:31:37
like Citadel begin you have taught have a system to thin a paint as long as
1:31:42
you've taught them to thin a paint I think I would I would I would recommend yeah I think the I think the system and
1:31:49
the framework that are in place with say Citadel and army painter is more suited
1:31:55
to because the fact that they yeah like I say I love having my handheld the thing I will say about them though that
1:32:01
they do do really do do they do do really well is um because they're just a great
1:32:07
one is just a great highlight for the other is the Jade and the tur Boise they're so close but so far away to act
1:32:13
as a really good highlight for those are those are great to and and for that to be that bright and cover that well yeah
1:32:21
yeah I have a lot of time for proac they've through generosity but they have
1:32:28
sneaked into my into my my paint and uh I fell in love with them like I I like
1:32:35
to paint like I will airbrush it to get the Blends on then for the then I'll Block in colors and for blocking in
1:32:41
colors I've never found anything more consistent like every time I get one of their paints I can thin it down like if
1:32:49
even if it's thick it's it's it's very obvious that it's thick and then when it
1:32:54
gets into thin enough there's a wide range of thin enough that you can go to
1:33:00
before you get to too thin honestly I think for beginners who are just looking to block in
1:33:06
colors these are I would say these if you're look to blocking colors if you're
1:33:12
looking for the Citadel system of layer highlight and blah blah they they maybe
1:33:17
do take a bit more learning cuz the matte does grab with the matte texture grabs the next color I don't find them
1:33:23
as easy easy to blend you can blend with them I don't find it easy with them but
1:33:29
if you're just looking to block in color then Pro acill two thing coats Reaper uh
1:33:35
amongst my three favorites with pril being the top Fair yeah I I like them I
1:33:40
think that I think they I think they are just a good strong just the colors are
1:33:46
just so solid I'm inspired to try them a bit more maybe there'll be a video down the line of being like I finally learn
1:33:53
how to use they figured out how to TST the top one one thing they've done is they've been
1:33:59
quite twitch heavy as well so like we've we've talked about Brands who've got a lot of tutorials and a lot of people are
1:34:04
jumping into AK a lot of people have used Citadel a lot of people have used valo and it's I think getting known
1:34:10
which I'll come on to on another brand getting known is a massive thing and they have done it so Jason who runs the
1:34:16
company like created these cuz he wanted paints for him a painter a paint created
1:34:21
by a painter who spotted a gap not in the Gap in the market but a gap
1:34:27
in the quality that he needed for what he wants to do and I think that's a hats off moment yeah and then he he has um
1:34:34
he's gone on so he did a lot of twitch videos yeah um and then now he's got Jordan who uh joined the guys that was
1:34:41
element games Expo so Jordan joined um oh he's lovely they all are this is the
1:34:46
thing they they are if you want to if you want to be certain you're buying paint from wonderful like this is a
1:34:54
bus Jason and his wife and then and then a couple of the other guys who I won't
1:35:00
name because it's not um I don't know that we should um but yeah there's a there's like a brother and sister work
1:35:05
there and their mom works there yeah like said for that and they're nice and and I don't know you're the viewer isn't
1:35:13
getting this but they are lovely generous people to be in the company of they really are yeah so and I know
1:35:19
that's a bit biased because it's from the convention circuit but they are yeah but like we said there's no best paint
1:35:25
there's no best brand there's only what's best for you no one out there is wrong except for Pat yeah well which
1:35:31
it's always the way yep yeah we're used to that now yeah yeah right then uh we're not going to get through this what
1:35:36
color what color are you taking with you oh yeah what color are you taking with uh it's got to be bold titanium white
1:35:42
just cuz like if you buy bold titanium white you'll you will then buy more of their paints buy and if if you haven't
1:35:48
got any of their paints try ball titanium white it doesn't cost much also
1:35:54
if I if I'm getting a slightly chalky texture with my Pro cor paints what am I doing wrong someone tell me I'd love
1:36:00
that you will get a chalky texture yeah it's matte paint yeah I know but like
1:36:05
like really and again as well to be say to them they're not the paint range where they come pre- agitated yes
1:36:12
agitator in there as well yeah it is a bit it is a little bit chalky which is why I I don't use it quite as much as I
1:36:19
used to but just look after it you know make sure you're closing the lid properly and I think you know you're
1:36:25
halfway there with it what are you taking with you uh I've already mentioned it because
1:36:30
uh because I just think the two things run alongside each other really nice I'm going to take uh the takeway and when
1:36:37
you all look at me putting in the Box I then sneak to Jen when he just to cheat nice yeah I I just like the
1:36:44
teage for that color is great yeah I I don't know the system well enough uh
1:36:50
unfortunately so so like I think the turquoise and Jade are like really really cool colors that you don't necessarily see is so strong and so
1:36:58
vibrant in somewhere else I will probably go like with a turquoise but I love the idea uh of a pre- agitated
1:37:05
paint you just see it on the Shelf being like I'm so annoyed you will never guess
1:37:10
what I just heard it's been pre agitated it's wonderful you open you open you open the
1:37:15
soon you want scre it just [Music] [Laughter]
1:37:22
go oh right as we're not going to get through them all right shall we list what we've got left and if people want
1:37:28
us we Ratt through them oh well we we probably won't get them if we try to batt we still won't make them yeah we we
1:37:35
can't get so what we've got left is scale 75 de Ry color Forge two thing coats P3 War colors coat the arms green
1:37:42
stuff World Tamia and dark right well ones we can do quickly color Forge sprays you you absolute gang of geniuses
1:37:50
yeah you you you hold more range than games where shop is you've absolutely nailed color matching y so more range
1:37:58
bigger bigger cheaper price cheaper yeah and you know and the some of the the
1:38:04
when you picked all of the standard GW colors that's not unexpected but you did it well and now these slightly quy
1:38:10
colors that you're coming in with like they've done their version of death guards was death rattle which was really
1:38:15
good for a if you're doing death guard Obviously good if you're doing Imperial Guard tanks and now they've just done another one which is like is it like
1:38:22
Commander Green or something really so it's even more military green than I've heard their avalan Sun so they've done
1:38:29
the avalan sunset and then they partnered with valra and this one is
1:38:34
more like avalan Sunset than avalan Sunset so there you
1:38:41
go I think the biggest it's aval and sunset in the Bahamas
1:38:47
yeah it's avalan sunset in aaland on the equator of aaland yes yeah
1:38:54
um I think the biggest downside is you can't get them overseas yes yeah which
1:39:00
is a real shame for anybody who that's watching us isn't in the UK or in the Republic of Ireland because I know they
1:39:06
have now pushed out into there yeah I apologize but I would say keep your eye open and maybe you
1:39:13
know maybe every now and again just keep just keep asking them and saying when are you going to get it can we not just do that can they not do a Kickstarter
1:39:20
like just send us money until we can afford to ship them globally but I think there's there's difficulty with SH I
1:39:26
think it's to do with other issues yeah obviously Citadel ship or Les sprs out but they do do they do they ship them
1:39:32
out or do they have different manufacturing PL who makes them yeah in in are they being made out of plant in
1:39:38
that country I don't know don't know but um I hope they get to you all for those
1:39:44
that don't have them cuz they are great I've now um increasingly replaced all of
1:39:50
my all of my GW uh spray can now when the MTI haven't gone back I've gone and moved on to color Forge with them yeah
1:39:57
and they've done some quy colors that don't exist in the GW can range that
1:40:02
I've bought just P just for like curiosity do like a they do like a blue gray that I bought which I tried out on
1:40:09
my um arbites yeah and I like which I've now put on some of M cruit and they
1:40:15
Red's really nice as well they're they're metallic which is a really great standing for lead Bela really good they
1:40:21
do the zenithal spray zenith kits as well they do zenial spray kits as well yeah I what they do zenial spray kits is
1:40:28
that like wait let me guess this bear in mind I don't know what you're talking about yeah it's a spray can and on this
1:40:34
end it's a dark color you flip it around that end it's a light color that'sa brilliant and they already did do it but
1:40:40
they do it in tart and camouflage paint brilliant okay so so the next one is
1:40:45
that it's got a nozzle and the bottom half of the nozzle sprays out a light color and the the bottom sprays out a
1:40:51
dark the top sprays out light to myself uh it's three cans it's three fullsize
1:40:58
cans but they've just gone here your Bas yeah then spray over with that and then
1:41:03
do a lighter dusting of that so it goes red bright red orange sensible I still I
1:41:08
still think don't think it' sell maybe an
1:41:13
April Falls for them but if I if I've got it like I I do love them I love the the value is amazing and for 90% of the
1:41:20
people out there I think they're great I do feel they're a little bit matte when compared to so so I I don't want to buy
1:41:27
Chaos Black anymore it's too godamn expensive but Chaos Black has a softer
1:41:33
Sheen finish more of a yeah more of a satin than than what they've got so when
1:41:39
when I'm dry brushing on top of their spray it really bites the paint and you don't get those smooth Blends yeah but
1:41:46
if you unless you're doing that style of dry brushing as somebody who paints on not on the realistic side cuz that's
1:41:53
obviously nonsense but as somebody who paints I have a naturally as in my best
1:41:58
palette said to me I have a naturally darker palette with regards my style of painting yeah and I for me because they
1:42:05
are matte they you know again there's no wrong paint yeah so they they work really well for you on that respect and
1:42:11
as I don't do a lot of the dry brushing I don't need that that slightly shinier black but yeah I haven't I haven't dry
1:42:17
brush I've got there off which is what is that in GW is that coris black yes yeah yeah that I've got a can from them
1:42:23
and it's it's like raven black or something like it's really good like cor black like a blue black is lovely I um I
1:42:31
love them like since I got more into airbrushing um I haven't used a spray
1:42:37
can in months yeah um so I mean that's like the convenience of an airbrush like
1:42:44
I mean you know spraying with a can arguably is more convenient but yeah like we're in an office there's a car
1:42:50
park downstairs I don't want to accidentally spray anybody anybody's car with with all of that I could take it
1:42:56
home if it's a bit windy or if you haven't shut your Cannon enough or this that the other like I see so many I know
1:43:03
not color Forge specifically but I I've seen so many pictures recently of people with retributor armor and a really fuzzy
1:43:10
miniature going what have I done wrong and they they they seem more like temperamental and and you need to kind
1:43:16
of almost learn each can a bit differently um cuz what but I've got to
1:43:22
be honest color Forge has been very point and click for me I haven't G oh if I did more of that with it or did it's
1:43:28
you know I don't want to hop on it because um but I think yeah it's it's
1:43:34
stood me really well so far color Forge so um what color Forge can you taken oh
1:43:40
God uh the new one Pet's that genius yeah I think de animal bits yeah without
1:43:47
a doubt like it's it's my favorite Citadel color he turned it into a spray thanks mate yeah watch rattle for me
1:43:53
because its match to its match to death guard green is Chef's Cas bang gone really well done yeah it's so close yeah
1:44:01
and the fact that they've managed to nail a GW yellow for all of the
1:44:06
longsuffering Imperial Imperial fist players out there on on your behalf I thank I than the first spray that I ever
1:44:14
used from them was avalan uh Sunset yellow yeah I'm Sunset um so I would say
1:44:21
I would take that one what I now think uh is not I I prefer a
1:44:30
white Prime and then Imperial fist yellow yeah because if you still want that bright yellow you got to build it
1:44:35
up over avalan Sunset which is a dark yellow yeah um so I actually think the
1:44:40
contrast method is actually easier yeah but i' still take the yellow cuz I think
1:44:46
it's cool yeah I don't know the range super right then who should we do next if we're not doing you want it as an
1:44:51
idea cuz I'm thinking how far are we in the episode do we want to jump into one
1:44:57
more then save a few for next time where we could also get some user suggestions
1:45:02
the ones that we've missed we'll yeah we'll we'll come back to this in the next scale's a big conversation to thing
1:45:08
coats is a big conversation and green stuff World a
1:45:13
conversation so many levels yeah Taylor rowny or F FW inks um yeah I love them
1:45:21
on for so many different things first of all yeah uh without casting pardon the pun
1:45:27
shade on villain oh it's what villain inks aren't no no but no what no but
1:45:33
what I'm going to get is droper bottles so just work and work all the time constantly spot on the pet things yeah
1:45:40
the pipet drop a bottle it's it's brilliant it's it's it's glass it works it's bang on um I like why do I like
1:45:48
them I like them because they're extraordinarily smooth and they are the reason when I said I did slightly
1:45:56
demoted poor old Ban b h Bal titanium white was because de around FW
1:46:03
white is such a great color if you want to mix your own paints if you want to start pushing a white through it comes
1:46:09
out of that so ridiculously smooth and thin but still so massively Opa it's
1:46:16
just a great color for blending it's just a great color for for paint mixing I love it I'm increasingly more using um
1:46:24
stuff from their range B umber yeah Sienna Ben Sienna and umber I really
1:46:29
like especially because one of them I currently use as um a filter on my son's
1:46:35
metal Marines because they're all on a Mars base so I give it the idea that they've been there a while but it's not
1:46:40
they're not covered in sand they're just it's just worn in I reasonably well
1:46:45
priced you don't have to worry about you know how to close them they've got a great lid on them you can drop a bottle
1:46:51
of them especially good if you are going I'm going to mix two colors so three drops of this to that really good
1:46:58
Hobbycraft really in the UK is your main place you're going to be able to get them and I also think for what they are they're very reasonably priced yeah
1:47:05
element games stock them as well don't they yeah they do just remind me are these the ones in the Square bottles mine's mine's one is a round Bott like a
1:47:11
tall round so I've got inks and I don't know whether they're liquitex or they're and round well I use liquitex as well
1:47:18
and I don't know which one we're talking about I do look I'm in this camera here we go look he's here and he Jeff wasn't
1:47:25
kidding he was wearing shorts let me yeah so that's there they are that's that's liquit right okay and that is
1:47:35
yeah there we go okay yeah so they're the they're the badges so there're the ones I use yeah these are the ones I've
1:47:42
never used well can I refrain then and just say d when I say d and rowny I'm using that as a catcho cuz I use I use
1:47:49
the liquid proper inks proper inks basically I I do like inks I I like them
1:47:56
very much for an airbrush approach because again just in out you don't need to thin them in my experience they will
1:48:02
just spray you can use them as fil abolutely have to in thin AK
1:48:09
inks a CER oh oh I haven't done my hair today
1:48:15
I've ran out of hairspray terrible I'll C it tomorrow yeah oh thank you remember um yeah so the AK inks are they they
1:48:23
call them like intense inks or whatever and it suits the name because it just
1:48:28
covers up everything yeah it focused on me sorry I was just
1:48:33
playing with you um but yeah so like I've I've had some issu like again back
1:48:39
in the early days of following Marco Marco is very much Pro uh liquitex bold
1:48:44
titanium white I tried that and I had the same issues as upat was reactivating
1:48:49
um and it did my heading so I swapped to Tamia white um following the guys advice from um CT of paint and uh after I
1:48:57
cracked it I was like wow not only do these dry faster they don't reactivate but you can build up your gradient so
1:49:04
much better um it's in fact it's difficult to get to White um doing it
1:49:10
but um yeah these These are fantastic the one downside I would give them is
1:49:15
for anybody out there who has I suppose it's a wrer passage isn't it spilling uh
1:49:21
your Agra yes yeah talk to me when you've spilled the the F phalium blue
1:49:28
that would stick to anything that touches on a white desk several
1:49:34
Miniatures and a carpet oh no and there's so much in
1:49:39
there there is that was
1:49:45
of so yeah let's I was wonder why when I went around to your house your dog had a big PE pass
1:49:52
it's just a weird dog but yeah so no I I don't remember which they've got weird name they use the proper
1:49:58
names these use the artist standard names which miniature paint brands should do if they want to mature but
1:50:06
like again one of the it was a bright blue and I dropped it everywhere and yeah so because of that I hate them oh
1:50:13
but no they are good they do have value they're incredibly thin they're great like you say you can paint with it for
1:50:18
anyone who struggles with a thin white or you get a thin brush and then by the time you've raised that brush to the
1:50:24
model it's dried out inks are the inks are potentially the solution okay so so
1:50:30
you they're especially good if so if you live warm country yeah the inks are really handy yeah and if you um B they
1:50:38
are very thin so so it's one of the you've kind of got a no stuff with them so get your brush wet but don't leave it
1:50:46
full of moisture like damping it off on a tissue before picking up your paint
1:50:51
otherwise it will just just flood I find as well with like the the um and the Ben Sienna which like say I use the Ben
1:50:57
Sienna a lot over over Le Bel yeah yeah it doesn't coffee stain no
1:51:04
anywhere near as much as GW contrasts do yes it moves around the miniature where you want it to and it does when it does
1:51:11
settle it doesn't seem to coffee stain it's a really good it's a very they're really good for patina sort of effect
1:51:18
yeah I have a lot of time for them um again like we said with everything else it takes a little bit of learning but
1:51:26
they are just really good I think they just are yeah I I like own several links
1:51:31
but I haven't admittedly I haven't um used them loads it was always something that I was like quite Keen to yeah
1:51:39
experiment with but then like uh like cuz it was like oh I'm getting into airbrushing I should get some inks um
1:51:46
but then had issues with I mean everybody watching this will probably know P can't use white inks um no it's
1:51:53
not just sure it's me I I struggle yeah same Reon so and I and I reach for the Tamia paints uh first yeah right then so
1:52:02
I don't know what i' take with me so it' be hard it'd be hard for you to say if you don't use them but for me it would would be uh the FW white because it's
1:52:10
great for mixing and it it's it works well as a as a a paint on white but you've just got to you've got to you've
1:52:16
got to be quick with it you've got to know to use it but yeah really good shall we put the one out there that we
1:52:23
haven't touched yes and then you you ask me what which one I'd take oh sorry saus F thanks babe i' I'd
1:52:31
empty it out and then I'd fill it with streaking Grime and oh come on you did you and when you
1:52:37
weren't looking I know I know I know well when when you guys aren't looking I'm taking a whole case of AK so um but yeah so so
1:52:46
yeah so the ones we haven't touched then so scale 75 y still to do some of that I really like but we'll get to that yeah
1:52:53
dos thin o kotos oh is that the Spanish version of Duncan's paints yes yeah yeah
1:53:00
they're yeah Elco El dco Diablo yeah uh
1:53:05
el el dco deam morte okay sounds right okay so twoo thing coach still made in
1:53:11
Liverpool really weird Reaper Reaper I want to talk about Reaper P3 P3 better
1:53:17
than P2 not as good as P4 see we're getting into the ranges
1:53:22
that I War colors colors coat arms which is a
1:53:28
really interesting one to talk about green stuff worlds Tamia which you are a bit of a
1:53:34
champion of Tam so you can you can fight your corner only in a specific way though yeah but that's fine no no do it
1:53:40
and then and Dark Star Dark Star um yeah dark star's a good one I want to talk about dark so lots of loves and dislikes
1:53:47
with Darkstar we'll talk about them on a future one are there any other paint Rangers
1:53:55
one talk to us tell us what whether we were right wrong usually wrong you say this is a part one we've still got part
1:54:01
two of we' got loads yeah you know that one where we ranked everything that you hated editing we got part two of that we
1:54:08
yeah so we're waiting for people to put put feedback and and then it lets us actually Engage The
1:54:17
Audience so so we'll do them other ones next time uh we'll do them other ones next time and tell us your thoughts on
1:54:23
the ones we've talked about and tell us your thoughts on ones we haven't even mentioned and we'll do our best I feel
1:54:30
like I uh which I didn't expect at the start have seemed to Champion Army
1:54:35
painted quite a bit which I'm I'm yeah quite happy about lovely people yeah go on
1:54:40
you I'm just winding up now I'm tired I'm tired it's been a long morning long day I want to and I'm an old man now I'm
1:54:47
40 you need your Kip don't you mid afternoon sleep I do yeah go and have a siasa and it's hot we're not used to
1:54:53
this yeah it's not we're not used to this in the UK but what we are used to is losing the football
1:55:01
y will by the time this goes out it'll be like what oh yeah yeah worst of it
1:55:07
was I'm convinced it was people who were in that crowd who worked for Vallejo and
1:55:15
AK on that oh dear my kid stayed up there
1:55:22
no I was saying they're eight and nine and when it was finished they were like oh they were sad I was like well there
1:55:27
you go kids that's that's being that's being British like you you got to see your first major England
1:55:35
loss I've had 40 Years of it 40 Years of head it's like 60 odd now is it cuz I
1:55:42
I'm not a football fan uh I'm generally not a like a team sports like Watcher um
1:55:50
cuz I've never really gotten into it but then also I think it's it's probably like a defense mechanism like just to
1:55:56
Pro just to protect my well-being like you see you see people going like yes and they have that Elation when their
1:56:02
team wins and I'm like oh maybe maybe like I'm missing out you know I don't
1:56:08
I'm not part of a big group I'm not feeling that sort of massive Rush of adrenaline and happiness and just like
1:56:15
oh my God but then I'm also protecting myself from 60 years of just crushing
1:56:23
yes there is someone I saw a great um tweet X whatever it is um that was like
1:56:30
watching England play football is like having an emotionally unavailable boyfriend is they're just so terrible
1:56:37
for such a long time and then just as you're about to leave they'll put in the
1:56:42
bare minimum amount of effort to make you think that they've changed and then you'll be like fine I'll stick around a
1:56:48
little bit longer that's how I ended up getting married
1:56:53
and my favorite one the other day was um it's coming home is just the male equivalent of live laugh
1:57:02
love right with Peaks bye everyone bye thank you patreons thank you patre
1:57:08
wonderful

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