Which Era of Space Marines is the Best?

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brain immediately went to yeah perfect right then what's this about so today we've got a
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subject and it's a bit of a different one than normal we're going to look at from three separate standpoints what we
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think is the best decade of Space Marines I know you told me yesterday
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that's I just looking a you dramatic effect oh ah sorry yeah this is what's it called this is um Exposition is what
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it is so we're discussing it but yeah oh I've got it around the EXP Expedition Expedition table ex yeah Exposition
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table so so who's doing what what's what's the format how we going to lay this out you're going to go first
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because you have picked the 1990s didn't pick it well you were given the
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1990s that's fine so yeah so it's a case yeah I think we're going to go around we're going to take a DE k each as as
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given to us by Pat yes you're welcome and I've got the 2000s yep yeah and then
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I'm on uh 2010 to 2020 so we've kind of gone like complete decades so but we I I
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assume you'll touch on some of the stuff from the 80s I certainly reference some stuff that's like slightly older than
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2020 but you know so you're stuck G you in my decade turn around my decade other
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way around going to start flexing then I'm going
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Beyond Mine He's going Beyond his you're stuck with your 10 years yeah so sorry
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he would have been in my decades anyway if going back he'd have been in 2010 wouldn't he and 2000 2000 yeah after we
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lay it all on the table we'll um I don't know poke fun at each other and say I
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guess which decade we like the best yes but then also I think maybe we should have a vote like a three-way vote's
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quite good because you can't there's no deadlock really yeah there
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is I don't think we will yeah if we had four members of staff and three decades
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then we would have been all right yeah should we just should we go and get a random off the street come and watch
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this episode I know a good tiebreaker a good tiebreaker we ask the audience they are
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the fourth member they are so the table's the fourth member the audience are the fifth right okay fair enough
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don't be prop ous this is much much more convoluted and
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interesting okay fine so you will obviously Jive in and
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tell you why you're wrong as you go but obviously the thing is I appreciate that you're going to try and do that but I'm
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not like you've given me you've given me the easiest decade to win like the this
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is the the N the '90s is the grandfather like you've made my argument for me and
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everyone talks about Third Edition fourth edition second edition is like the the father of the modern pop might
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be the grandfather but it's well known grandfathers can have arthritis it doesn't mean great just cuz
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you we're interrupting him already no no it's well that's that's the point isn't it just throw me off my game by uh by
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throwing insults my way which is fine I can take it I'm I'm used to being upset when I come here but in all seriousness like so so
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yeah the the way I've looked at this um I did loads of research uh I Googled it and then went to
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w40k don't know what that stands for. lexic conam.com and that's broken down
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on one of their Pages the Space Marines into like what was released for the Space Marines for that kind of by year
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how accurate this is I don't know but so we're going to play it safe and just to on marines that were released in the decade without putting a year on it so
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we can't be drag yeah pretty much so I've put a year on some of mine but I'll
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take it good yeah well you you I'm too FR so it's fine no well the thing is I'm
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I'm putting it on them not me so if I'm wrong I can't remember what was released last year never mind you got the link
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cuz you sent me that link so every time someone tells you you got the year wrong you just put the link in the comments perfect yeah engagement so yeah so
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obviously I'm covering the 90s but as we all know it started in I want to it was the 70s wasn't it and then through the
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80s we had so as it's broken down 40K when was the first 40K head up in the
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late 80s 40K yeah so according to lexicanum the first release was the le2
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Imperial Space Marine in 1986 and then it started going on quite a few
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different releases from yet from there uh we had a few of the early Vehicles we had stuff like that and they've grouped
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this essentially as the Rogue Trader era which goes from the mid 80s up until
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uh 1993 but prior to that so early '90s in
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1992 for example let's start at 91 so load of rubbish then we
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had so the first one an entire year the first ones that really stand out for me in 91 are the Space Marine Captain and
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the ultramarines captain which are both fantastic models and really
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are the the ones that show like the modern Space Marine in its form it was
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less of that kind of like the the original Metals the road Trader era were a little bit overd detailed for my
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liking when things got a little more simpler more approachable with those two models and then shortly after in 92 you
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had the Space Marine tactical Squad U which was the there was both a plastic kit I believe a metal kit as well um
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where you would stick the plastic arms on and the plastic components you had the Devastator Squad I've got here um
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which was basically the same bodies but then with withal arms like everything was on the shoulder because the other
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hand with a button yeah yeah yeah yeah that's it yeah that and that was your Space Marine so things like that it is
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it is the birth of it and prior to this yes there were a few things but they were kind of playing at New Designs
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before that point and I think that tactical Squad like both around that
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time and I can't remember whether it was 93 94 or even 92 when second edition came out and you got all the Orcs but
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also all the Space Marines that are stood like this which I hate so that's 993 is that classic I when when was does
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anyone know when did second edition come out cuz I know I've I've seen on here 93 was when that came out as a squad yeah
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but when did second edition come out I thought it was 92 or 90 there's an even number at the end of that in my head oh
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the second edition Warhammer 40K rule book was published in 1993 oh okay so it must have been around then so you hate
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them you hate yeah I hate them so for anyone who doesn't know and hopefully we've got pictures up on the screen these are the ones where every Space
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Marine was the same body it was just that with a big hole in the middle and you would either stick on a bolt or in a
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hand or a flamer in a hand and then there was also a captain who had a chain sword a bolt pistol and His Banner which
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everybody lost the banner out of it was the first thing you'd lose or you'd snap it yeah um but that right you're saying
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you hate them yes that I do is such an iconic model that even in the last year
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um again I'm going to I sound like such a fanboy Darren naan I love him friend
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Darren naan friend don't get me wrong I think Darren pick and them for that pain competition was inspired brilliant yes I
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still don't like them fine it's fine look you know when you say the thing of going it's iconic
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yeah that photograph of Diego maradon when he jumped in the air and the football it
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his hand and scores a goal at the World Cup in the 1980s that's an iconic photograph but it's still fills me with
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rage every time I see it even now iconic doesn't necessarily mean good except here it does it right let's I I don't
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want to like have a Fallout on this you can have let's just both agree that you're wrong okay that's fine um God's
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like being yeah I haven't got any good arguments it's just childish but R so so
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like you you think that because it's not iconic it just looks rubbish on a
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battlefield right I I disagree I think the other way that having like at the end of the day we are building regiments
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and things like that seeing an entire force of people in the same position not
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shooting yes because because they're they're ready for like they're it's it's a parade pose
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isn't it but they're not but it's you're not playing War Hara 40,000 the marching
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Edition not Mar it's not trooping the color well they're just it's meant to be War it's symbolic you know
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they're like just I'm going I'm going to keep the camera on me
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because there make me is yeah I think they're just walk
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spin your chair and they're just so they're just marching into battle and that's how I kind of look at it like
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that symbolic like we're they have that belief y in the emperor protect the Imperium bam just don't get meong that
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don't get me wrong if you were building them to put on a shelf or with a display
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and they were meant to be as has existed previously the entire ultramarine chapter on display which used to be in
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Warhammer world and you're using that pose absolutely because if you're on
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parade and one of you is waving a chainsaw in the air another one shooting a pistol that's ridiculous but if you're
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doing them for that but that strikes me as a very very small bit of what they're meant to be
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used for and just having them all just stood still with a gun like that just
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doesn't work for me it makes it makes no sense well the first half of that that I was listening to before I got born you
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you were agreeing with me so we'll go with that Pat cut his mic after that bit Pat agrees with me um and so do the
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audience I hope so probably will yeah everyone loves him B me but yeah I mean that that is what I mean though is you
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wouldn't have a decade to talk about if it wasn't for that model no so you can't you you can't be completely against them
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and and it's it's that point cuz obviously you you've had him on the show before I was here which I'm sad about
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cuz I'd love to meet him you've had Bob on the show who is who is pretty much the designer of the Space Marine and and
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he never made them look like that I'm pretty sure was that not his thing he designed that he did the marching
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forward with all the pouches looking a bit D-Day with the bay it on stalking stalking forwards Under Fire oh stand
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and given it that well to be fair a lot of his new sculps so he does a lot of like 3D sculps now which should check
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out cuz they are incredible um and they're very a lot more Dynamic a lot more sci-fi Armes um and they're really
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good so yeah definitely and that's the thing that gets me about them about the the the stock still Marine is they had
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been more Dynamic and then become less Dynamic not in plastic so that's the
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thing so so prior to that release prior to this there was there was two ways so in that era you had your a lot of metal
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models and they were kind of sporadically almost D and DS like you had this one and that one and that one and that one and other until they
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brought out that that first tactical tactical Marine Squad and this is
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something I want to talk on and I'll come on to it after this because I think I'm suffering with my own Mandela effect
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um and I've I've told you about this before and I've I've left you waiting but I'll I'll tell you what I think but you had that that multi- pose kit that
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came out around according to this it's 1992 I swear that one existed before
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this where you had those Dynamic models of leg torso arms in different poses
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variety of weapons and pouches and all that but well you had them all the way back in with with beaky Marines right so
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and they were like almost on like a bone bone colored sprew so you had multie
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were they not already this pose though no this is the bit where I don't remember it so let's go into where I've got this is what I talk about they the
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Marines de evolved what into that into that but that's where they went mass production though isn't it
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I don't disagree with I don't disagree with any of what you're saying there but it I I just think they're rubbish yeah
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that's fine you can be wrong it's fine that's okay I know good I'm glad you know so um but right this is the bit
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where I'm confused because when I got into Warhammer um as we discussed
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briefly on a show that I don't think is going to be aired now um but we I first
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went into it and I went into metah Hall my mom took me there and when we walked out we walked out with a pain K and then
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we went up to what was the Warhammer World in um Eastwood in Hilltop in
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Eastwood and out of there we walked out with a I think it was a five model Squad
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it might have been 10 of Marines now everybody I hope everyone who's watching
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who's got any experience with anything pre primaris has seen the multi-pose Space Marine kit the Tactical kit which
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is legs with inside the leg is like a a concave
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recess and then the body has a dome no it's the other way around the leg has a dome Rec um and so you mean you're
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meaning jez Goodwin's Mar eight armor pretty much but basically it means you can have your Space Marine almost like
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this on that body yeah now the kit I walked out with I
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swear and this was the first ever kit I bought and I was 12 or 11 12 or 13
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probably 11 or 12 did not have the Dome it was legs with a flat top a body with
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a flat bottom but then you still had the multiple arms with the weapons thing so audience tell me
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where's the can I have a camera on me a second um did this exist please tell me I need
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you that's it right you can go back to the group one now so so did that I want to know did that exist or am I suffering
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from are we suffering I'm sure the I when I got into the hobby I got into it
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with Third Edition and Dome legs was in the box but I'm
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sure there was something that preceded that yeah I'm I'm sure as well but I've looked on lexicon and I I put it this
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way I spent more time Googling last night for those flat legged flat boded
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connecting Space Marines than I did researching anything for this
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show so that should be easy then but yeah I don't think so but again right it's not just that it's going on to
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other models so you had like the Rhino came out in my era the original Rhino which then went on to be the Whirlwind
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the Razer back the Predator all of these like modular tanks that you can grow
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again none of that would would exist um until unless these did the metal dread
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knorts I was going to say the the the original like box KN um is a thing of
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beauty that guy the yeah yeah like like the um I mean just the picture for
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showing you guys cuz everyone will be able to see it on the screen for Audio Only listeners that one yeah that oh I
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had that many I owned a few of them yeah I I think I think that Dreadnaught is
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better than the rror redemptor yeah like hands down style-wise I like the new
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scale yeah yeah I like the scale oh yeah yeah yeah like quite a squat the scale
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no I hate the new scale it's wrong I forgot I was arguing for my own my own
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yeah no it's rubbish redemptor rubbish but yeah no that that I think like the legs on the redemptor yeah are an
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improvement but the big like gut yes on it I'm not a fan of whereas this um why
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I like the redemp associate with it if you had that dreadn with redemptor
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legs um like brilliant I think that's it it's very squat isn't it but I still
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remember like that dreadn was the dreadn used in the dawn of War II intro which
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is like dude and yeah absolutely sadly
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sadly not your era no it's not no this one is no this one is the box is but the
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game isn't I guess but it's has to draw inspiration from the when did when did
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Dawn of War I come out I want to say early 2000s I might even I think my think I might even be thinking about the
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original dawn of War uh intro I can't remember the two of them go on dawn of War I was 2009 oh God so dawn of War
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must have been 2000 something as well uh 2004 both rubbish
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so worst video games ever okay right what else have we got for you so we've
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got so we've also got assault terminat or the Terminators came out in that era and they haven't changed um Terminator
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squad assault Captain um the sergeant I'm going to finish with the main one The Tech Marine and the Apothecary
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models both came out around the same time in 1990 something again super
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iconic models The Librarians the chaplain the librarian and chaplain
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Terminators and to finish um the Space Marines you had Manus calgar not only
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that my era is the one that released the metal Thunderhawk you don't get half a
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million views on a video for any of your models being rebuilt now so thank you squidmar for arguing my case for me fair
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you also the Space Marine bikes the Space Marine chaplain on bike you had the newer of the scouts which they they
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still haven't replaced well they have now with kill team with the kill team and they're
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wearing the faux bossy armor oh no they're not no they're notos yeah um you've had the attack bike
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the vindicta came out the land speeder the original land speeder of which well not the original land speeda no not well
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no not the original that was plastic yeah the first plastic kit and this is where plastic which is again the the
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main selling point for Warhammer today really came into its own and as much as
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yeah there are resin kits let's just not talk about them because they're okay at best the metal kits were good but I
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think you'll find a fine cast came out in my decade oh good luck good luck with it yeah so I think we already know who's
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won you can stop watching now and just add a comment below saying well done rash you got the best decade but and
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this is the bit where I'm going to step over slightly because we're not talking about the Rogue Trader era and um that
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obviously the the era I'm talking about really started in 1993 so I don't get a
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full 10 years unless I step over a little bit so I'm going to say the crossover for both of us in
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2000 was the remake of the land Raider we had this argument didn't we like get
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in your lane no I'm having it it's 2000an
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that land Raider's mine okay let us again I'm going to say let us know in the comments who who gets the land Raider it was in 2000 so is my decade
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1990 I remember rightly it didn't come out it didn't come out New Year's Day 2000 if I remember
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rightly but it came out that year and you said Ross you've got the decade of
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the 1990 199 oh yeah 1990s not 1990s and a few months of
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2000s but still well I I've got the decade you you can't think it put it this way yes all of your models are are
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well they exist but like nothing's changed like everything pre 90s era was
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its own kind of little sporadic thing then it became right it's got like they
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they got design standards at that point and went right this is what a Space Marine is instant classic from the first
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one this is Space Marine is this is what it's always going to be it's going to look like this and since then it's been
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standardized and standardized and standardized tweak slightly but it has
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never changed so that um sculpt of calgar that was the first Model that I
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ever bought really I went to uh Games Workshop in carile with my dad and I
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bought Manus calgar and that so that's like that pose is like super nostalgic
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and they went back to that with the primaris version of it um so I I think like for me the '90s is really special
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um I'm just going to be positive about every decade uh because it's like this
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is how he's going to try and win everyone's like nice guys finished last P oh they
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do yeah yeah um it's cuz we make sure everyone else is happy
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first um and um yeah so I think the no
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Nostalgia goggles for the '90s hit really really hard um like seeing all
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those images you're like oh that's incredible that's incredible but then yeah maybe we'll get to it is that is
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that the end of your no no no I've got more yeah so there's also the build options and the value back then so you
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know let's be fair like I know it's anything but the value of a product and I can't remember what it was I watched
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the other day but it was a short so therefore a fact now um but like the inflation of like price per Space Marine
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has gone up significantly by about 30 or 40% what it was per model back then well
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tactical Marines in the late '90s were a pound of marine yeah cuz it was £10 for box of 10 yeah so and I don't know what
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it is compared to inflation a flame and that came that came with a flame a sergeant and a missile launcher was that
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the metal one no that was the plastic one yeah so that that was the first one which was the ball jointy one wasn't it
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um but yeah like the value of what you got back then but I don't just mean like the price so so what I saw on this short
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fact um was that like the price per model has gone up 40% Beyond inflation
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don't know how true that is but could be you know I think we're all feeling the pinch of the new prices but it's not
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just the value of how much things were back then it's the value of how much you got with them so if you bought that
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tactical set not only did you get the models but you also got the options of pouches and extra weapons and like do
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you remember the little night like the tiny little knives you would get um where it was just knives and stuff the
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whole which B pistol couldn't fit in yeah yeah that's it yeah so perfect but you did get all these things and with
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all the kits like the bits box was a thing it's not a thing anymore um and then beyond that not only
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do you have those models but you've also got some of the key and the the two that
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I remember uh some of the key I don't know if they were golden demon winners or just done for fun to promote
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Warhammer is Mike mcb's two diaramas one of which being
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Azrael um Azrael um in the chapel with like the
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stained glass window and his little acolyte guy and he's holding the sword Watcher in the D that's it and he's
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holding the sword up which has there we go yeah I need to get better words in
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it's in a loft is it the DI no the one I'm about to talk about sles are all
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still in place he thinks he might just like oh it's a bit loose um but yeah so like and that was again the model hadn't
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been changed but that's actually inspired new golden demon and Slayer sword winners that model the one where
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they're in a loft is also um by Mike McVey and it's the one where Horus
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fights the emperor and there's an angel guy I don't know who it is SL um he's a
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sanguin is KNE yeah some and he he's he's lay there bleeding out or something very good I like that um but yeah yeah
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so they're they're fighting I'm guessing in the the emperor is going to be in the Loft in he it's the tallest the tallest
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thing um and they're actually fighting on you know just about to think he like on guard with the the custom models both
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of them based on the Terminator sculps for both Horus and the and the emperor
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and even that has in has inspired modern takes on it the where people have not only T taken the modern models and
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recreated that diarama but also like there's been people who've I saw one last year at Adept con not the one we
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went to the previous one where someone I swear must have 3D sculptured or or sculptured with green stuff like a new
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scale primaris not primaris scale um what are they call Primark scale Emperor
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and Horus in the same sort of chamber and room and that sort of thing and it's very rare you would see someone try and
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enter and win golden demon by recreating another artist's creation by adding your
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own flavor to it That's How Strong my era is that it's
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still inspiring people now and just to finish off I would argue that the reason
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Games Workshop is as popular as popular now as it is is because of the Nostalgia
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we all feel for the '90s thank you for coming to my TED talk good luck boys
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yeah you can't you can't drop the mic cuz it's on an arm yeah true wait hang on yeah can just let go of it that's going
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to sound awful in the edit but that's a you problem but no seriously so if you guys uh whichever one so if you guys can
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just let us know down in the comments already that that my era has won um and then watch the rest of the video to see
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the best that these guys can do good luck mate yeah no no thank you Ross um
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Jeff uh please make your case for I will do 2000 and onwards please thank you
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your honor my leared friends colleagues members of the jury
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I will make a case for the defense and the defense being the [Music]
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2000s and the reason I believe that the 2000s is the best decade is because it
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is the decade of what everybody loves when it comes to Space Marines and that
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is Heroes it's the decade of Heroes it's the decade when Space Marines who lead
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the charge and lead the chapter and lead a squad became
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interesting they weren't just some roundabout looking captain in a bit of a
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cloak they became Heroes and I give you my starting
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point as strong as you can ever take for a group of
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Heroes Third Edition space Hulk blood Angel Terminators that's a very good
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point every one a character everyone
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unique everyone dynamic they even had the audacity to
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not only make amazing Heroes but they even pushed it so far to have a dead
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hero on a throne when you have made that many Heroes for a box that you can then have
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a dead one have you been practicing this in the mirror it's all on the flag
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it almost feels like I could almost remove my wig and return to the desk and
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say no more but sadly I'm going to go on it was the decade when character
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joined the Marine instead of being standing there parade ready with his
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rifle unmoving they became dynamic they became interesting examples
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not just making a squad of Veteran Space Marines but a squad of Veteran Space
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Marines that showed a war I give you space Marine ultramarine tyrannic War
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veterans scars pieces missing from their armor pieces of tyrannid on their armor four
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Miniatures that tell a story of war and struggle against an Unstoppable horde
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the tyrannic veterans amazing Marines they themselves
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not only do they tell their own story but each one would make a perfect Sergeant for any
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squad so I'll give you them I'll move on we've had previous to
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the 2000s Tam lasers we've had them carrying heavy weapons we'd had them
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carrying a stormbolter we'd had them carrying assault weapons but what we
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never had was a galloping charging into war
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Terminator the jury I give you Logan grimnar Terminator armor
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2000 oh yeah I'm charging headlong in
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front of his screaming cord of Viking esque Marines Logan grimnar they had never
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been a miniature quite like him pre prior and if I'm being honest there's
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never been a Terminator quite like him since to give the conveyance of speed
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across a battlefield in that armor Logan grimnar again an essential character
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from the 2000s but if we leave characters for a
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moment the Decades of the 2000s is when Games Workshop finally had not only
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understood how to make a Precision kit but how to marry them all together
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Space Marine Vehicles we have the land Raider it came out it looks significantly better in my
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opinion than the original land Raider it had an interior it had sliding open
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doors if you decided you wanted them and an opening ramp at the front it tells
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its own story it has a badge on the back that shows you that it's been been looked after and dealt with by the tech
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Priests of Mars the whole minute the whole vehicle tells a story you'd think
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you're never going to get any better than that and then only a couple of years later you got the revamped Space
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Marine Rhino again with an interior an opening rear door a vehicle that not
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only tells the story of carrying Miniatures across the board but it looks like the baby brother of the Space
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Marine the two of them look like they live in the same universe and it led to a vast
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Improvement for both kits once the land Raider arrived the variant of land
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Raiders are follow were also fantastic the exception to that I will I will admit the land Raider Crusader with only
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metal bolters on the side was a hellish piece of equipment but there was a Unity
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to them the land Raider and the Rhino looked like they belonged in the same universe and the same
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Army and that leads to as well a big Improvement in land not only in land
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Raider and Rh but a big Improvement in dreadnut you then proceeded to get
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dreadnut chaplain oh yeah there was a dread now remember like I so so this is
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the era I wasn't in so I I left the hobby late '90s and got back early 2010s
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y there was there was a I think it's rubbish cuz it's not in
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the 90s but there there was really I'm assuming we're going to get a picture up of this but bluming NE and I
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think oh that's that's okay chap dreadn what an amazing idea again the
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marent of the two things I've talked about character and an improvement in vehicle in one kit again another piece
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of amazing another amazing dreadn from that era was the venerable
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dreadn it was the first to introduce their being a helmet instead of a visor
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instead of a sliced plate for for the Marine inside and even to the point of
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having battle oners EMB braved into it into its chest that is a really sexy piece of cap it
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reminds me the one I really liked was was it and I think it was that era is beyond the fell handed beyond the fell
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handed you still buy him yeah I know it's great I just see things like that I wish they'd do a newer one of yeah cuz
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I'm I'm sort of like I I would buy that cuz I'd still paint that now but I'm kind of of expecting a a revamp of it at some point
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in the next decade so I'm waiting because what's the point but and I also think they're rubbish because they're
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not from the '90s I will also for that my argument is getting weaker I honestly
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started this thinking I've got this in the bag I'll also give you as well what I still think considering the
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improvements in the new Terminator range since we've got we are 2023 I think it
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would be the year they came out the mass improvements in the new Terminators I love them but we released a Terminator
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chaplain last year and it still holds nothing compared agree to this Chan yeah
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uh yeah 100% agree yeah it's and no offense to the sculptor or or anything it just the new one
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is a bit too simple yeah and I like simple on my Space Marines but it was a
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decade we introduced Marines who had other purposes and other ideas years of them we had for example one of my
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favorites even though I never I never played space Mar ultramarines Sergeant helan the Space Marine scout Sergeant
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the man whose job it would be to teach other Scouts a miniature dripping in
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detail and dripping in and dripping in idea and character and backstory so I'll
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give you him as well and I will finish on what I think
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yes it only really looked after one Army but an advancement that's still to this
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day with Space Marines has not yet been bettered on any level I give you from
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the 2000s the Space Marine space Wolf Scout a space Wolf upgrade
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sprew it was wa which one's that it was it was actually the size of a full sprew
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oh oh it wasn't an upgrade sprew was it it that was Space Wolves this that's
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well sorry you're right I do apologize it was Space Wolves but a completely designed yeah to make them look like
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space walles it didn't have an upgrade screw they wear their own upgrade screw the nearest we've got to it is black
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Templars of late but it still doesn't hold the flame to what was going on in there yeah SP if they bring the space
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walls back and they don't either give them a Monumental upgrade sprew
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or build them like this in the same way where black templar's box is purely only for the black Templars they're doing a
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diservice to space Wolf players yeah no fair my Lena colleagues your honor the
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jury I give you the 2000s they're all right aren't they they're not they're not bad they're not
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no they're not bad I I um I I think all your points were
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completely valid thank you um I yeah it's like that carrying on the narrative
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and the quality can just say as well you've talked about raised fist but I would argue that the Manus cargar from
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the 2000s with his bodyguard Squad is the best mon calgar did we get a 2000's
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calgar yes oh right which one was that one kind Ste forwards on a rock with two
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hands oh yeah yeah yeah no I like I prefer the original I like the I like the detail of that but no I think yeah
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it's it's like one of my favorite models ever and I I've got to admit from the '90s we we were very like not only were
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we monop POS everything was this like almost like the Leonardo da Vinci yeah
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betran man yeah everything is on that flat plane with only like some of the
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plastic things adding any real depth yeah um so you know I am I am I'll
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concede that I'm crippled by that and you've got more dynamicism dynamicism yeah why not yeah but like where it
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works with like calgar with that that works works but calgar also reminds me and it might have been calgar that was
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used for the conversion I've seen But do you remember the box art the '90s box art of the bolt the the blood Angel
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Captain with the thing like somebody converted that cover of second edition yeah yeah that's it that's the one um
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and someone converted that so where that works in that sort of scenario is absolutely brilliant um but yeah no
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you're right there's there's some good character was added in well even again other Terminators from that era the um
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the Terminator uh Captain for uh the Imperial fists from that era the one
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carrying the big hammer that's actually got a fist on it um do try to remember what he's called there was what there
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was a There Was An Imperial fist a unique Imperial fist um Terminator oh was there yeah the
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Terminators back then were again very straight body and like I mean I the origin in my era the one thing I never
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talked about either was what what it spawned in the '90s was all the the chaos Marines as well yes which I know
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is outside of the Space Marines we aru in my decades I was really I was that
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far away from being like I know they're not technically Space Marines but maybe they talk about death card yeah yeah so
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but I I veed away from it yeah yeah but I'm I'm I wouldn't like I I I would
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literally say like then I think it was 94 96 I can't remember was the like the
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the The Rebirth of the chaos marine and I think for me what really got me into Warhammer back then was like
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sci-fi chaos War blood gore spikes teenage angst yeah yeah exactly yeah so
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I was like I I was already sold on blood angels cuz I was like oh yeah vampires I'm a teenageer of course I like
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vampires chaos chaos Terminators I think are so exceptional like the old the old metal ones right up to the newer some
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plastic ones interestingly I was um I was playing around with a bit of Kit bashing um with the new jump pack
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Marines and some of the um is it warp warp Talons um or like the jet the chaos
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jetpack guys oh yeah and the scale difference between the two is hilarious
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like you can kind of get away with a chaos arm on a Primera Space Marine but the minute you have a chaos body with
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like Marine arms it so funny yeah oh yeah that was the one I was talking about light oh yeah 2004 for a minute
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that's classic is it cuz they brought they brought that back with fine cast didn't they yeah um actually the fist is
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holding the hammer there is a metal fist holding the hammer in place in the
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design of the see it yeah the yeah oh right oh I see the
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actual Hammer is righted I was like of course the fist's holding the hammer it's not floating in the air but no the
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actual Hammer cross pieces is a fit that's quite nice I've never I you know
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what I've never seen that I have never seen that model and say it's iconic means have you either of you even seen
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the '90s like seriously but I think I've seen the '90s when it came to 40K I
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wasn't I impressed it was fine it's all right you're wrong but like okay so so you've shown your 10 years of
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basically taking the models from my era and tweaking them a little bit fine go on then yeah but that's like saying
44:52
that's like saying that's like saying you know I'm going to get a Lamborghini and then what we're going to go you go
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yeah Lamborghini is good but if you hadn't had a model T4 of course everything has a starting point but it
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doesn't mean it can't be exceeded that's not my argument my argument is I had the Lamborghini and you decided oh I'm going
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to put racing stripes on it and an engine sticking out the order well done yeah like you can't improve on Perfection exactly so there we
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unless Let's Do It Go on let's do it you guys there's going to be a cut cuz I
45:24
need to prepare my presentation you dick have you actually done a
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presentation yeah of course I have what a dick no um I mean it's a dick thing to
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do I thought it would be funny um and then um I uh what what else did I do I'd
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forget everything yeah no fair enough yeah all right let do it like welcome W
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the painting bqu the painting Bay the painting phase is about to become is it
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orex orex orpc tactics tell you what when I was building this terrible presentation he was my
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inspiration like he makes it look good how do I do that yeah I like the three of us have talk very different stance on
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how to present this yeah yeah I've just been reading off a website you've you said your honor every two sentences and
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Pat being ever so middle class as he is has done a
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presentation what Christ sake so um yeah like I like I wanted to point
46:30
out you know I grew I grew up working class single parent family um very very poor um but I have aspirations of of
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being middle class I think that's where it comes from so we're not going to see you you're going to be all spec T tactic
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it yeah yeah yeah okay so if we could set back can you guys see the screen yes okay perfect and then I'm going to put
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it can this are you can the camera still see us yes okay okay yeah yeah yeah all right so just to confirm we're not
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ribbing or or I can't say it ortic pleas please check out orpc forget
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it please check out that channel great Channel go like you know he's not known for his cinematography but the value he
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provides and the sheer amount of content that he uploads like his channel is exceptional anyway welcome to my
47:16
presentation called the 2010s are best and you know it
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God you know I would give it him now just so I can escape H you win we're off Okay cool so
47:32
um I didn't want people to say that i' picked a miniature from like 1999 or something like that so I'm starting from
47:39
six Edition and I think the Lord executioner is a perfect example I just wrote execution yes
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yes so this is a 12-year-old miniature and
47:53
it still is utterly exceptional is really good the wings on that jumpack
47:59
on the sides with the SK that'll be metal as well won't it I don't know it might be fine cast actually finecast
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finecast was like oh I can't remember keep we have improvements in quality and
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tooling so we've got even more bits on this guy and I think the sculpting
48:18
improving allowed the poses to be so much cooler as well so This Guy's super
48:24
three-dimensional and for me is like Peak Hammer cuz he's like I've got a jetpack but this guy's such a badass he
48:30
doesn't need a tactical Rock he's just going to walk slowly towards you with an axe to chop to chop your head off um and
48:37
that's that's all that's important
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um so these Miniatures from back in De I would argue have still got it even now
48:51
so stard yeah so we got the stard veterans which I believe were were Darren Lam's first
48:57
sculpts that he don't be throwing the lam in there just to try and get more score points I did let him it realize
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how old centurions were 2013 so and they got absolutely roasted when they came
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out I really really like them I think it's it's interesting with I think this
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is like the precursor of like gravis armor um I mean those sternard are so
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good that they replace them less than 10 years or less than 15 years later in
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Leviathan but yeah you sorry I'm not taking notes
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um they the the helmets on these centurions I think are brilliant as well
49:39
um you I've seen kit bashes of using these helmets on uh heavy incess and
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they're brilliant I think they're fantastic um how you should probably do jetpack jetpack Marines yeah I think
49:53
they're still fantastic we've got the Tactical Squad which is brilliant um this is going to
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be quite a short one um so I'm interested I'm erected I've climaxed
50:06
moving on6 this has turned into the riage of
50:14
Ace podcast where it's just saying words and us screaming down the mics 2016 uh
50:19
there wasn't a new edition of Warhammer but that librarian in termin Terminator armor I think is amazing I think that is
50:28
an iconic miniature you've got his his awesome cape and it's brilliant and then that is like a reworked version of uh
50:34
Bob's first Marine which is fantastic lovely that nicely painted as well okay
50:39
and then 2016 we had seventh edition so I remember making them releasing them really massive Space Marines when did
50:45
them come out yeah they're huge twice the size so these the reason I think the
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uh the 2010s is the best is because you've got the best old School Marines
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pre primaris so all the qualities there they look fantastic they're really
51:05
three-dimensional you've got the poses you've got like the heroic stances and all that sort of stuff the criticism
51:11
though potentially see I'm I'm not just going to be like hey my decade's perfect in every single way no you're allowed to
51:17
make excuses for white rubbish yeah um is you know the helmets with with
51:22
everything improving the kind of I think you know this this chap here I made him really big cuz he like his helmet it's
51:29
starting to look a little bit Goofy looks a bit it just doesn't quite have
51:34
like if that was on a metal miniature from the '90s I feel like it would fit in more and it would make more sense
51:39
whereas on like a Sleek refined plastic miniature it's starting
51:45
to mean a bit a bit interesting I remember being in that era thinking you
51:50
what would be really nice is like a HD version now but those are the her aren't
51:57
they they're the Space Marine Heroes the last of the firstborn yes yes um and you know Peak Peak firstborn Space Marines
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oh yeah um so what goes next we have you
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know potentially could be perceived as you know needing a bit of an update let's give him a fizzy drink J and then
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we've got we've got the best Space Marine in the world now the primaris intercessor
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it's updated for a modern audience it's a it's a true scale Space Marine So Gone
52:35
is all of that sort of Goofy quirkiness and now we've just got a murdering
52:40
badass that looks really really cool I'm definitely going to win this now that I've seen your presentation because I
52:46
know where how far we are into the show we've already lost our audio listeners
52:52
because they can't see any of this so we need to do a few more description but also we've just lost I believe our
52:59
American audience because nobody knows what Rubicon is other than us shame on
53:04
them moving on so he's on a roll he is primaris is here we have an updated
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Space Marine Army and we have amazing intercessors that look really badass
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they've got bigger legs bigger guns and gone is that sort of quirkiness it's more serious it's more uh it's more war
53:27
Hammer let's not you know talk about that first gravis Captain uh that looks
53:33
like he might have abused some steroids in his time wait are you are you are you not a fan of that gravis captain no oh
53:40
my word that is one like to me that is one of the rarest cuz it was only aailable on the sprew it was only in the
53:46
Box part of a sprew that had a load of other models on it so it's like 90 quid now for the sprew that he comes on but I
53:53
love that like Captain in gravis armor yes please I think the I I have issues
53:59
with gravis armor I think it just looks a bit bloated and a bit weird this from the guy who was just arguing for
54:06
centurions okay you that's fine you can argue with your own decade art subjective Leave Me Alone um okay so but
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I know what you're thinking right I know what your criticisms are primaris they've just kind of they've taken going
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to do they've taken away the Grim darkness and it's everything's a bit everything a bit
54:27
beige yeah everything like oh it it it just looks like generic human in power
54:33
armor where's a bit Halo yeah you know if if you showed that to somebody that
54:39
wasn't aware of Warhammer they go where's that from they might go oh Halo like one of the modern Call of Duties
54:46
something along those lines yeah but it's a range refresh what the Games
54:52
Workshop they did what they had to do they wanted everybody to adopt Prim Marines so paint them blue ultramarines
54:58
paint them red blood angels paint them gray uh spacewolves boring so they could
55:04
fit into any army and then um you could you could get some
55:10
more additional bits we also had the introduction of Phobos armor and uh some more gravis units like
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the aggressors and bits and Bobs again potentially still a bit boring so over time yeah after our range
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refresh this is again what what Jeff's whole argument I've done in the last couple of years of my
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decade is we're now getting our unique Heroes they're a really good scale they
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look super heroic I look at 28 mil models from like warlord games and I'm just like oh they're just they're just
55:43
not as good like I really like the heroic there's just not the canvas there to paint is there like it's as much as
55:49
like I like I like 28 mil as sculpts for for um what's the word the
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um uh the scale of things um whereas I like heroic scale because it's easier to
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paint so heroics wear bigger hands bigger feet bigger heads yeah um but heroic scale 32 mil is just so
56:11
accessible to paint and it allows you a big surface area hands with the heads bigger bigger hands bigger I've just
56:18
realized I'm in heroic scale I never this isn't about you okay so
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you're stepping a little bit outside of your era here cuz these are post
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2010 no 2010 onwards he's got up to 2020 I mean are these not are these Kar these
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were all like 2018 2017 something like that God isar that Olde primaris was 2017 yeah I'm so it's because Co
56:45
happened you want salamanders here's your here's your dude uh you got to garadon as well what an exceptional
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human being and then exceptional chin primaris so they're so boring upgrade
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sprws no one upgrade sprew no there was lo you got lots of them fact check me
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you don't dare um and then now like with this was the release of uh eth I believe
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yeah and these guys are amazing so we're now getting that Grim Darkness back in
57:18
ninth for them was that nth that was fantastic whatever um so you got your
57:23
chaplain you got your blade guard they're absolutely covered in in bits
57:29
they look really really cool and I think it's that era of like late 990s the the
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naughties and we're now getting just better versions of all of that that we
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all love more and we're getting some of the some of the units back chaplain on
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bike I'm not a huge fan of walking chaplain which is why he's not in my
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presentation but you mean walking chaplain Terminator you primaris chaplain the one you just
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showed no he means the other one yeah the other one like the one that you buy on its own oh okay yeah it's the
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Terminator I don't like but yeah go on then do you yearn for simpler times no I do I yearn for 2023 when Nintendo drops
58:15
the greatest multiplayer experience of all time Mario Kart Double Dash and I can re live Jesus Christ every time I
58:21
look at the ATV have you you've seen someone's actually done that yeah they yeah it's
58:29
brilliant I'm going to take he's done the same guy and I'm sure it's the same guy he's done like a whole Toy Story
58:34
Squad as well yeah um an exceptional vehicle a gap on the bottom that nobody
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cares about um and and it's perfect uh I wrote the naughties on this one which
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which I realized that was 2010s afterwards so the naughties walked so now post
58:51
2020 games where could run Space Marines could could charge into battle so that's
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the new gravis Captain which I think is Leaps and Bounds better than the one that came out
59:03
and we're getting those unique Space Marine units I think the black Templar
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refresh is a perfect example of what the original primaris have now allowed Space
59:16
Marines to be so all of these models absolutely brilliant like that's just oh
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yeah just some black Templar Marines so we're getting into that awesome from Grim dark um the but the real reason the
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real reason why I've won this uh it's not you Gillman get [ __ ] it's the primaris left tenant
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meme every year maybe twice a year we get a new one and that's why I rest my
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case thank you goodbye very good very good can we give
59:52
him a stand inovation for that no don't you got to focus
59:58
um all right so yeah do we do we do we have go at him for a bit and then I well
1:00:04
what to oh I mean there's there's a glaring emission in the the only vehicle
1:00:11
I put in is the ATV as a joke I don't really like the repulsors the like the
1:00:17
massive tanks and all that sort of stuff I think oh oh the yeah the repulser and the Repulsor executioner it's it's the
1:00:24
it's the floatiness of them get there a bit more future Tech but yeah I don't know why they still couldn't just
1:00:29
abstract yeah that's speaking from a man who likes them yeah PR on TR and then
1:00:35
like the um the dreadnots I think the Box knots kind of like a little a bit
1:00:42
better um I don't think the vehicles have as much character so that was my
1:00:48
decade sorry yeah yeah I think that that's my problem with the Whole Decade still is like you you're right we've got
1:00:54
some really iconic and great detailed models in there but we are missing
1:00:59
character we are missing so much character and I've said this a thousand times like I'm sorry your upgrade spru
1:01:05
things Falls flat on its face because two two reasons one yeah I can't
1:01:11
remember what you showed on there was it what was iron hands so you've got the iron hands you've got black Templars but
1:01:17
that's it like I can counter that argument by showing you ultramarines blood angels space wolves and more
1:01:24
unique models characters yeah you've got more terrible ones than you've got good ones something I I kind of missed in in
1:01:31
that as well is that like a lot of the characters like
1:01:36
miston I can't remember when he came out I don't know if it was before 2020 or not I left out sure but like the tooling
1:01:44
and the sculpting is getting so good that they can go back to the original art and go oh we can actually make it yeah which is true the new Mist on based
1:01:50
on the original art and the hre based on the art is yeah there's a couple of them
1:01:55
struggle with though because I've got I'm still I'm and this is going to be a running meme for the next year I'm still
1:02:01
painting my world eaters and I've got the 10 man squad I've got six of the eight bound I wanted eight and I can't
1:02:08
do math yeah and they box them in exactly um I've got angron and I've got
1:02:14
the uh the what's the thingy ride the thing that on the r the Juggernaut and I've got KH the betrayer and when I'm
1:02:20
going through painting my models and I put them down KH which was a a remake it was REM in your era now because of the
1:02:29
new uh World eaters the the corn Marines he he's the same and he just fits in
1:02:36
amongst them so generically and I'm like oh that's so that one for me as as one
1:02:41
of cuz this is the HD remake era isn't it yeah and and he to me is a bit of a
1:02:46
let down because it came out between that time of I think Games Workshop weren't quite sure what they were doing
1:02:52
they were moving to this this oh we're going to redo stuff but at the same time
1:02:57
they I don't think they wanted to reveal oh things are going to be bigger soon and I'm sure KH came out just before I
1:03:03
think I think when cuz obviously Al know they were very late in the day we haven't had uh world eers for 10th
1:03:10
edition I think when they come up they'll get a new car did you really I I don't know if
1:03:17
it's I don't think so but then they did well they've just redone all the stormcast going to say they just redid
1:03:23
the storm cast I wouldn't be surprised if you do a new car because every codex normally gets even if it's only one
1:03:28
miniature yeah I so I wouldn't be surprised if KH gets a remake to beef him up to the right I I would be upset
1:03:35
for the person who's because the new one's lovely it's a fantastic sculpt and it's a great move on it's the problem
1:03:40
being is the range got refreshed around it exactly and and it's like I just I want that I get just I mean they can do
1:03:46
it because they're now 3D sculpts they can just thingy it but just look just up him five or 10% in scale and send it out
1:03:54
again because it is incredible but the reason why and I'm sorry the reason why your decade loses oh yeah I'm gonna go
1:04:03
throw a is it a red herring or aing or whatever I'm going to throw a spanner in the works here yeah 2011 was fine cast
1:04:10
sorry mate that's in your decade yeah so so is the new sorry mate you two have to own that my yeah yeah I am responsible
1:04:17
for all of for all of that so I think I I what I probably essentially my points
1:04:23
boil down to the peak of your two decades I got to take credit for at the
1:04:29
end of like firstborn and then I get a new beginning as well uh and all these
1:04:34
new awesome models that are here are here because of me well they they're all
1:04:39
here because of me my my decade they wouldn't exist you you'd still be you'd
1:04:45
still be playing age of sigar f or what is it Warhammer fantasy battles with
1:04:50
brettonian if it wasn't for the 20 for the what what did I have 1990s
1:04:57
he so committed to that decade I am so can anyone tell which our favorite decades actually are um but no I I do
1:05:05
like that like the 990s was my era it genuinely was that's what got me into Warhammer the nostalgia's there and if
1:05:11
it wasn't for the Nostalgia of all those 25 to 45 year olds now from that era I
1:05:18
don't think Games Workshop would be as successful as they currently are if if
1:05:23
you're 25 you were born in like 99 yeah do you want a punch like I I
1:05:28
already feel old like don't forget I'm I'm we are
1:05:34
from the era that settles arguments with violence P abely we grow up on predator
1:05:39
and Commando see for me see for me I like the I like primaris
1:05:45
Marines um but if primar if instead of saying and this is massively
1:05:51
hypothetical cuz it's not something that would have ever happened if the original Space Marine had been left as it was and
1:05:58
then every range refresh for something that was in a Space Marine had made them smaller I'd quite happily still have
1:06:05
firstborn Marines it's cuz everything creeped around it cadens when they
1:06:11
released cadan got to the same size as a Space Marine every cater Chan were nearly as wide as a Space Marine
1:06:17
everything scaled up around them and that's why primaris needed to become a thing was to get that but if it you know
1:06:24
said if every range that came out was refreshed they made everything little again and left Space Marines alone I
1:06:31
quite happily still be playing with firstborn Marines now but as that can't be done I actually really like the scale
1:06:38
of prime marus and the fact the rescaling and making the Terminators look a little bit less dorky and quite a
1:06:44
squ I think the new Terminator so so much better so I love my decade that I I
1:06:49
defended because I think it was the decade of embellishment and improve and making the grandiose I think joined it
1:06:58
took like I say it took Space Marine characters and sergeants and turned them into heroes in
1:07:05
My decade I think and I think it was the decade where they did start to figure out how to make good plastic kits for
1:07:12
vehicles yeah so I think is that also where the black Library really started to take off cuz I remember in the '90s
1:07:17
there were some books but I in the 2000s it was because ga ga was GA was 2000s oh
1:07:24
was it was yeah go 2000 I started with like there were the stories in the
1:07:29
codexes like there were a few I I collected a few codex and got Inferno which had short Inferno that had good
1:07:36
short stories and then I think the book started in your decade so that really added flavor you know the S the sad
1:07:41
thing is is I think without sort of um playing everyone's side on my on my own
1:07:47
here I think there is a massive strong argument or a strong
1:07:53
Improvement in every decade the decade of the '90s lead in the way of creating
1:07:58
a a clear and concise vision of what Space Marines were great yeah and mine
1:08:03
going well we've got the sponge cake now let's put the IC and on the top of it and add strawberries and then yours
1:08:10
which yours was crap we don't we don't like sponge cake I'm going to make a carrot
1:08:16
instead but I think you know of going well we real the 2000s created a strong
1:08:22
rebuild of how things looked and gave out and then the 2020s 2010s and 2020s R with that so I
1:08:30
do think there is a thing to be said for all of them but then if we're going to
1:08:35
vote well are we doing that so so can we vote because we'll all just vote for ourselves well let I'm not voting for
1:08:41
myself I'm not voting for myself either oh aren't you but but before well I wanted to go back like I wanted to cut
1:08:47
this because I wanted to say audience what do you think I go I was going to
1:08:53
ask them after we voted okay so but yeah it's more of a pause the video now and decide what your favorite
1:09:00
era is based on our arguments and then we will reveal whether we were telling the truth but we've screwed that
1:09:07
so but yeah no seriously if if people have got like a best ERA say what and why in the comments I we'll follow this
1:09:13
up on another episode and I think I guess what I I'm really enjoying the era
1:09:18
that we're currently in um which I kind of you know cheating touched on but I
1:09:23
think we're getting what was good about like the naughties
1:09:30
but with a better scale and better looking Miniatures all right so vote time who's for the '90s show of hands
1:09:36
for the '90s as the best ERA yeah oh wow okay I wasn't expecting that full on
1:09:42
Nostalgia goles for me I look I look at the the 90s sculps like especially that dreadnut um and that is me being a kid
1:09:51
going into games workot with my dad and picking up calgar and going that's
1:09:56
really cool and then's someone going oh yeah you can get the librarian as well oh my God and like I've lost those models I have rebot them I've got the
1:10:02
metal sculpts somewhere so I I'll repaint them for a video at some stage but I think for me it's just looking
1:10:09
back and just being like Oh yeah that's like awesome that's me I wasn't expecting that I didn't think you'd go
1:10:14
90s yeah since like you most of your hobby career has been in the last few
1:10:19
years oh yeah Mass massively yeah yeah so I I was I think I was in year five at
1:10:26
primary school so I would have been eight or nine I think something along those lines um and I was s doing it a
1:10:32
little bit and I had some Space Marines and then some lar bit some Bobs as well but I know better
1:10:38
now [Music] um go on then so anyone for the 20 the
1:10:45
2000s then so 2000 to 2010 yep no
1:10:50
neither of us okay okay so 2010 did the
1:10:56
presentation win it 2010 2010 to 2020 so yeah uh I'm not
1:11:03
voting for that era oh You' got to V yeah it's it's not that that's the
1:11:09
problem then when is it so well so so what's your argument for the for it being the current one then why do you think why because this isn't down so
1:11:16
much to this isn't down so much to what patch presented is I am one of those
1:11:22
forward well for for Pat's sake this is down to Pat's presentation thank you I'm always
1:11:29
the person that always I'm always looking forward it's like my son is currently playing um the force on East 2
1:11:38
on PlayStation 5 I can barely look at it being PS3 graphics and he loves it I
1:11:44
can't do retro I always have to look I'm I'm an impatient child I always have to
1:11:50
look to what's over the hill not what I was seeing what was back down the back of of the hill so as much as I fought
1:11:57
hard for the 2000s and I love so much the 2000s cuz I do hold that it was the decade of character and it was decades
1:12:03
of vehicle and good plastic hits that made sense I always want to know what's
1:12:09
coming so for me we've AC we have to accept the prime ORD are here to stay
1:12:14
first ball Marines probably won't make it into 11th Edition they probably gone even if I know sometimes what happens
1:12:21
with Space Marines sometimes Space Marines end up with two codecs in one edition so they not even make it out of
1:12:26
tenth yeah you know so um I always want to know what to come so for me I accept
1:12:33
that the future is here and I want to see and also for being honest we talked about uh Pap pointing out and I points
1:12:41
that out a little bit to some degree is the fact that the black Templar sprew if I use it as an example was like this
1:12:50
whole sprew when it comes to buying um a crusade Squad everything on it is black
1:12:56
Templar based every single bit it's not a it's not an upgrade you don't get ordinary primaris Marines in
1:13:02
intercessors in there and then some extra bits everything in there is to do with the black Templars heads have got
1:13:09
crosses bent into them helmets have got crosses on them all of that every single bit of that is to do with black Templars
1:13:16
and if you go back to plastic black Templars in previous editions it was still just an upgrade spr yeah so for me
1:13:23
if they were doing that to Black black Templars hopefully that means they're going to do that to blood angels yeah
1:13:29
and it means we'll hopefully get nearer to what I argued for and we will do that to Space Wolves although I'm not a space
1:13:36
Wolf player I was a spacewolf player and they always hold a bit of a special place in my heart so I'm always looking
1:13:42
over the hill so no I I think that's incredibly valid I think like something
1:13:47
I guess something from the 90s is like you know taking the Nostalgia away from it I guess a little bit is that I just
1:13:53
thought of when you're talking is like so much of everything that we look at
1:14:00
now is so heavily inspired like they got it so right like yes like I can if I had
1:14:06
to build an army of metal kits I'd probably want to blow my brains out um
1:14:12
it would be a pain in the backside and I'd be like oh where's my primaris marines that Reas you know we talk about
1:14:17
talk about box boxy dreadnots I remember building one of them all metal and I just wanted to cry yes yeah like you'd
1:14:24
glue it and hold it for like 40 minutes of the build would be you holding it waiting for the glue to set and then you
1:14:29
let go and it falls off or you let go and you right the glue it was glued to you yeah yeah or the worst bit was like
1:14:35
it I wanted to paint better and the stupidest mistake I've ever made um and it's obvious now this is educational for
1:14:41
you viewers is I used to take all my parts and I would spray them all with
1:14:47
primer independently so that they weren't like so I wouldn't miss it and Gunk bits up because like there were
1:14:53
gaps but because I was spraying the bits independently same on the dread knes I would then glue it together and I'm not
1:14:59
gluing model to model am I I'm gluing paint to paint with a really heavy LZ cannon on its arm and I'm like why won't
1:15:05
this stick how do the Masters do it it turns out they're just not
1:15:11
daed so what what decade are you shouting for H none hate warmer it's rubbish I like G no no I'm I'm All gunam
1:15:19
now well yeah exactly that's everyone seems to have gone G it's gone gunam crazy well done very
1:15:25
good well well done Wayland games for going hey everyone have a free gunam and
1:15:31
then I think that was a stroke of Genius it was I've bought three well it would if we got yeah so I'll let you look at
1:15:38
mine okay um I guess so I didn't realize you were pushing out so I'm I'm in full
1:15:44
agreement with you but it's not the 2010s I didn't like the 20110 because fine cast was was a painful time that
1:15:53
thankfully I missed it can I kind of didn't really talk about fine cast and more focused on the imagery of
1:16:00
of Space Marines fine C and the bits of it I have seen I've I've got one fine
1:16:05
cast Minature which was the um I've got a few here the plague Marine they're not
1:16:11
the pl me the um death guard uh plague demon yeah the one that had the really
1:16:16
stupid face which I replaced with a an ogan head yeah um there's an ogan head with a helmet on and a chain mail so he
1:16:23
can barely see his face which actually looks a lot like one of The Masks of the death trout um Terminators wearing so I
1:16:30
changed his head and he was fine cast and to be fair he was all right to put together but that's because he was big
1:16:36
and robust but if you know these ones where you can virtually see through the miniature and I got when I came back
1:16:42
into the hobby I was like I I stupidly went oh I've got a load of old chaos Marines I just sold them I literally put
1:16:47
them on eBay for like 60 quid and then once I'd actually got back into the hobby a few months later and looked at
1:16:53
the value of each of those things I almost cried cuz it's probably worth about 200 quid um but I wanted to I
1:17:00
didn't realize I'd sold my abdon my metal abdon idiot so I went and bought him again and when I got it I was like
1:17:05
it's got holes in it and I email Games Workshop who back then their customer service was so good that um when I had
1:17:12
one thing with them I mentioned a pepper Army as a joke like I was like oh there I was it in my pepper Army and I looked
1:17:18
at this and blah blah when I got a replacement from them the person from games worch I wasn't f back was just me
1:17:26
um the person from Games Workshop customer service sent me a letter with replacement dry brush paints with a note
1:17:33
that said um it's dangerous to go alone take this and there was a pepper Army in
1:17:39
there I was like how incredible I wrote a blog post about that because I was
1:17:44
that amazed but yeah and I got abidon but um at that time was slowly after the
1:17:50
I think the customer service started being a bit more um like corporate more
1:17:55
yeah just just a lot to deal with like they' they've blown up so much um in the last few years so I get it um but when I
1:18:02
got it and I had this abidon with like a hole in the face and a hole in the bottom and then I wrote to them and they
1:18:08
were like oh yep no worries and they sent me a link to their website where I could buy liquid green stuff and it's
1:18:13
like don't worry that your model is is has holes in it just learn to be an
1:18:18
incredible sculptor yourself and do your best approximation of this sculptor's
1:18:23
work and I'm like uh no so yeah and and I get why it happens it's so like all
1:18:29
the molds were big discs and you could spin so it was the old metal mold yeah you could spin putor into it but of
1:18:36
course when you do that with resin it introduces air creates bubbles yeah so it's sad but yeah so fine cast was bad
1:18:43
and the only part the only good part I think of the 2010s is the jump to Prim
1:18:49
RIS that scale that's like the big the big thing really yeah yeah which which was a like we talk about divisive topics
1:18:56
in Warhammer that was divisive back then people hated it I missed all of that
1:19:02
yeah see I think they where they got that wrong was I think um I don't think anyone was upset they did it no I think
1:19:09
they should have just gave the armor a new number well it do have a new number Mark 10 armor isn't it but they should
1:19:15
have just gave it a new armor said you know the adeptus mechanicus have been
1:19:20
busy scrolling away and they've got new armor for the Marines this whole thing thing of going they're genetically
1:19:26
different people now to this to that I think I think that was the bit that upset a lot of people I think um I think
1:19:33
just going hey new armor and in the new armor they're bigger yeah it was just it was true scale done and that was and it
1:19:39
was yeah so I you know don't get me wrong I've heard I've heard you know from talking to people at Games Workshop I've I've heard solid reasons as to the
1:19:47
why they needed to do it that way but which I won't be bore anyone with now but yeah so I think that was you know I
1:19:53
think that was but you're right at the time it was like you know yeah it was it was I I hate releasing them with the
1:19:59
death guard was a a smart choice because those death guard again still like we we
1:20:06
say I don't think there have been better apart from the Space Marine Heroes death
1:20:11
guard which is just an extension of those death guard there have not been better sculpts by Games Workshop in my
1:20:18
opinion but art is subjective yeah yeah so I love them incredible I think death
1:20:24
card aming but but me the real the real winner is like not trying to be existential but
1:20:31
it's it's the future it's the it is it's it's where we are now it's right now
1:20:36
you've got all the greats of your era the character all the greats of my era for the people from there like you know
1:20:42
my my 90s had it might be 80s Ragnar that's come back and K the betrayer
1:20:47
Fabius B so we've got all that character coming in we've got it at a larger scale
1:20:53
it it is like if if the the '90s and 2000s with a HD we're now in 4k yeah and
1:21:00
it's the stuff that's coming that excites me it's the I I want to see like
1:21:06
you more than anything I want to see the wolf claws yeah in primaris but I don't
1:21:12
want to see them as an upgrade sprew I want to see like primaris chests with
1:21:17
runes carved in diamond shaped um uh crystals in the chest all that long
1:21:23
beardy head as a sprew I want my Space Wolves but especially with the era we're
1:21:29
moving into now with 3D printing being a competitor to Games Workshop I pray
1:21:36
that's going to force them to up their game and go okay we've got I say up their game they they're killing it but
1:21:43
um you know go more in on the character and the originality and I think if black
1:21:49
Templars are anything to show that will happen yes so the fact that they are prepared sorry pass the fact that
1:21:55
they're prepared to I'm going interrupt you anyway the fact that they're prepared to sell a box that isn't an
1:22:01
upgrade yeah like another great example of that is the Deathwing
1:22:06
Knights they're not it's not an upgrade sprew no yes they are death they are Deathwing knights in that box yeah and
1:22:13
and I don't know they've done that before but I mean that continual thing of going we know we're not going to
1:22:18
we're selling these to these many Marine players not these many Marine players
1:22:24
and and I like them having on the bottle to go these are for black Templar players these are for Dark Angel players
1:22:30
and you know and I know Dark Angels they're standard Marines just because their Marines are a bit more generic
1:22:35
just green they haven't had a box but they did get a very good upgrade sprew
1:22:40
to be fair the new dark angel upgrade sprew is very good so I do hope that blood angels are treated well and I do
1:22:47
hope Space Wolves are treated well and and so on into the future when Imperial Fist and I tell you really need treating
1:22:53
well and hope they do as as well is really really going need to spend some love on the white
1:22:59
scars their own prop salamanders like they could do and I think that's what I want to see is like
1:23:05
I yes that's I think they will I think if they're prepared to do it with the black templers I think they'll be
1:23:10
prepared to do it elsewhere when you've got people like valorn taking Space Marines and making them look more like
1:23:18
Space Wolves than Warhammer then Games Workshop is making space wolves look like Space Wolves so yeah I think we're we're in
1:23:25
the we're in the the new 90s again now we're in the okay here's what a Space
1:23:30
Marine looks like we've set the standards yes how can we embellish it and improve it exactly so where are we
1:23:37
does anyone know what like you know when they talk about comics and Cinema like they've got like the Golden Era the silver era the does anyone know what
1:23:44
they relate to like what era are we in I don't like don't eras normally get given after you've been it like there's a line
1:23:51
in the US office where Andy's like oh you don't know that you're in the good old days until you when you until you
1:23:58
left them um so or yeah I don't know I don't know what era were in or or
1:24:03
anything like that but when you look back though like you know is the '90s is
1:24:09
the '90s the the the golden age is it the silver I don't know let us know down in the comments I think because of Third
1:24:15
Edition some people would say it was the third the golden age '90s but anyway yeah so throw it over to you chaps tell
1:24:22
us why why Jeff's right and that' be great in in the era that
1:24:27
you defended or your actual view
1:24:35
yes so for recap you you went with the 90s you went with the 2010s 2000s 2000s
1:24:43
which includes the the future and I and I'm all about future yeah fair and and
1:24:48
yeah I think yeah I I I stuck rigidly to the rules I think I'm I look at the '90s
1:24:54
with my happy nostalgic goles on but I'm super excited to see where it goes um I think like the points you guys put
1:25:00
forward like I'm super Keen cuz yeah like you said like with 3D printing like we did a video about yeah 3D printed
1:25:06
bits versus an upgrade brew and all that kind of thing and and that would be right do I want I can imagine greatti
1:25:13
will be like here's some sanguin Angel bits that will probably be the next
1:25:20
release the Games Workshop do you have to be careful cuz I you'll probably remember the name I can't remember them but that gang who recently released a
1:25:26
load of really good space wall stuff they did an entire range of it didn't he yeah they great tide Studios and that was you know games work
1:25:33
they did the same they're the same company as the black Temple habits that we used um and I hope that doesn't put
1:25:39
Games Workshop off releasing their own I think Games Workshop releasing their own could actually be a threat
1:25:45
to and that's why people like official don't they one of them yeah cuz if um
1:25:52
like I'm really excited for blood angels I think that'll be a really interesting release seeing what they do um I really
1:26:00
want like the blood Angel Terminators I think the old the old school ones the one that were in spacehawk exceptional
1:26:07
but like with the new you know primaried sort of ones um I think those would be
1:26:12
brilliant and as good as the 3D printed parts are like as we found like if you use too many of them you look at it and
1:26:18
you're like is Hammer anymore it's kind of like you know so I I want to go
1:26:25
but if they don't make it I would want to sort of jazz up my Marines yeah yeah
1:26:30
who doesn't but it's like it it's I'm I'm very much for the official style as well it's like when they released the um
1:26:36
the image of Oh Henry caval and Amazon and blah blah and then they were like here's a picture of the Aquilla where
1:26:42
like one side's all like metal and the other side's like a burned wing and I'm like that looks nothing like anything
1:26:49
I've ever seen from Warhammer ever and it's like that to me changes the whole
1:26:56
flavor of the entire what they're trying to deliver and I've never been a fan of that it's why I've never like the
1:27:03
McFarlin toys where they're like oh we've done oh we've done a Space Marine
1:27:08
as a as a thing and it's like the aquiller on the chest is like now pointy and I'm like it's just wrong yeah it's a
1:27:14
bit wrong it's it's slightly uncanny valley and then you've got joy toy yes they're smaller but they come along and it's like that looks like that miniature
1:27:22
but an action figure and that yeah Jo I I I much prefer the joy toys to
1:27:28
McFarland yeah and it's that sort of thing so I'm hoping I want to see the official with the design principles and
1:27:34
all that yeah yeah but anyway I'm not going to beat that point anymore done I
1:27:40
I think that is US done I won because I had the 9s and Pat agreed with me so yeah yeah well cuz you guys you voted
1:27:48
for not a decade that we covered um you voted for my decade and I voted for yours brilliant so winning by default is
1:27:55
the best win it's like being technically correct yeah exactly the best kind of correct
1:28:01
yeah but to fact it's your fault you gave me the decade but um no I think we should we'll put it down to user opinion
1:28:07
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