Sugs Going Rogue, Cake, & Touching Flags

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hello I'm peachy hello I am Patrick oh subdued I liked it
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I'm quite I'm quite I've always wanted to do a podcast when I've been a bit ill so I can like have a cooler voice cooler
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voice I just feel so inadequate since Pete came on yeah well he has got the best voice what do you say yes you have
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to like push out your them really project yeah yeah well I I speak through
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my lips and sound a bit more like sliced alone yeah
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so this might be the only um podcast episode where I'm like I sound cool
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um I probably don't I probably don't well mine is a Jeff because it's a Tuesday and you come back from France I
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have come back from uh from uh yeah from France I had a lovely time yeah yeah filming a friend's wedding it was good
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fun lots of wine they gave me because they were like you're driving because it's like a two-day Affair a French
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wedding um which was quite cool so I don't know I don't know if they're all two-day Affairs they rented this like called
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Chateau [Music] um uh for a free a few days and I think
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they had a day setting it up the wedding day which went on until like four in the morning oh wow yeah it was really
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um quite something yeah me and my partner were just like boshing away on the Dance Floor this French lady
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um were you like doing the mashed potatoes I'm I'm just um that sounded like a bit
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of a euphemism that isn't it uh boshing away um no I I didn't get that but yeah you
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made it weird yeah yeah but do carry on I'm sorry darling um I'm so sorry
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um yeah so um yeah 4am um and uh and then the day afterwards
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um because I I drank a lot of wine there was loads of free wine you don't pay for drinks at European weddings which is fantastic
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um because we're like is it is it gonna be a bar and we got laughed at um and I'd known a little bit because
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I've done a few weddings in uh one in France one in Greece before um but yeah loads of free wine free
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drinks all day I got like five glasses of champagne or something like that and it was yeah and then the morning after
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so you finish at four and you can't come bucket like midday and they had like a hog race and stuff and and this um this
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French lady uh came up to me and she was just like thank you so much for dancing with my mum last night she had so much
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fun I I turned to my girlfriend and I was like I don't remember I thought I
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was dancing with you no um but yeah we had a blast it was good fun but I think I'm uh lots of traveling
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um yeah because it wasn't like a necessarily like a restful holiday yeah because we drove and got the ferry and
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you technically worked a bit of it as well I did yeah it worked yeah worked quite a lot it was very sunny as well so
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yeah not here it went it was certainly a couple of days and then just bushed it down with I'm going to say
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Bosch because I like that word washing it out now it just just chucked it down a little rain everywhere it's
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pretty dull I spent most time indoors playing Star Wars with a kid which is great I've never eaten more pancakes in
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my life loads of crapperies um but yeah Brittany is is kind of like whales
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um they share the same well the same tune for the national anthem like they have a shared like Celtic Heritage okay
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interesting so I think they have quite close ties to Wales Scotland Ireland not
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so much England um but I had a lovely time I mean it's got the word Britain in it and it says
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closest yeah we should own it I don't know uh my historical uh facts
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on um medieval Europe are slim to none yeah yeah no and I you know colonialism bad
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that's kind of I didn't even know you said that colonialism Oh I thought it's a colloquialism colonizing colonizing
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the world ah it's obviously yeah we're more modern nowadays and a bit more yeah we're aware of you know yeah people have
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feelings and yes just because you have a flag doesn't mean you're in the country oh that's it isn't it do you have a flag
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okay well I have a flag no flag no country it's a rule I'm enforcing with
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this gun I used to watch his sketches all the time really oh I made um oh I watched
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loads of like people remade Eddie Izard sketches out of Lego oh okay so there's
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like the Star Wars canteen is um is made out of Lego yeah and um and like going
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to a petrol station at midnight and asking for a Twix and and one I don't
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even know the sketch but it just finishes with like bread for my bread gun
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um which I think might be the petrol station one okay um yeah but anyway what Warhammer yeah I mean uh we're gonna
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talk a fair bit about Warhammer but we're going to talk a little bit about and it may be surprised to a few people
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some people may not be aware of this but the Suggs has gone Rogue a sort of plug
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uh yeah uh well done good for you Suggs uh super pleased for you yeah she's doing really well all right the first
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video's gone up uh a bit of lore about Rainbow Warriors which was interesting because there's a lot of info that I
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didn't know about so because yeah I knew that um Suggs are painted a lot of Rainbow Warriors she's a fan of Rainbow
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Warriors uh death strikes as they might be in fact she clarifies as a separate chapter oh that were inspired by nowhere
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if you watch if you watch it all the way through um well you've obviously it's gone and gone out yeah so sorry so it makes out
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that um the rest of the Warriors had been killed wiped out possibly by ultramarines yeah death Striker there
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like brother chapter yeah that are like we remember them because they were killed
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and we don't like it I mean that's why we don't like ultramarines and she slates ultramarines in that sorry Maris I have to keep apologizing to Paris
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because one of our patrons he's a big fan of all ultramarine hate like so prevalent that it's just a bit boring
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now I think so because it was cool it was cool to hate ultramarines I've always hated them and I always will
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um I don't actually hear him that much at all into it yeah but it's it's
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something I've got friends that are ordering players so you know I like to yeah annoy them I mean they say stuff
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about my sister about all they say stuff about my eventually Nobles yeah so you know it's only fair I should
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throw back fair enough fair enough I remember um you know who you are painting at my
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desk um back in there and um and someone was like oh oh you're
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doing he was like quite like a a high up-ish manager um and he was like oh you're doing some
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hobby what are you painting um because it was like lunch lunch break um and I was like oh well like I don't
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know if anyone knows but you start working against workshop and they send you a box of stuff you get like a starter set and a Dreadnought yeah
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um and I was just having to go painting some bits and Bobs and um it was like oh what are you painting them as I was like
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oh well it's like the first models that I've ever painted so I'm just copying the box out and going for some ultramarines anyway oh
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yeah it was Andy yeah yeah yeah he doesn't like with me he's a flesh Terror
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I know who is it uh well I'll beep it Adam truck okay right he's Dark Angels
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he likes Dark Angels he likes chaos he's a fan of chaos one of my favorite things about when any
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anyone anyone ever turns up uh to Workshop as a staff member so it always
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makes me laugh because it's a trend that's continued since I first started in the studio which is
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you're in the studio they usually have a recycle bin for um and nine times out of ten you get like
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your hyenas and vultures that like pick clean the sprues oh yeah and I don't I don't necessarily mind that if they're
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making use them someone just don't make use them they just hog them uh for years and then never do anything with them and
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there's others like myself that like take off a few like pouches backpacks heads knives oh I really need a left
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hand that's open that Spruce got left hand that's open I'll snap that off so there's a few that like get bits they need for the projects what you do and
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inevitably is in these sprue bins and like through projects your crew sprues and bits and models and sometimes you
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have half started projects you have all sorts then someone new starts you're like haha I can unload all my crap now
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yeah onto this new person I got that I got yeah I got that I got that every time it's like spring cleaning and one
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of the things about it one of my old managers was like is like have you just given such and such a whole load of new
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stuff yes so you've moved your crap to another desk yes can you take it home by
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the end of the day please because I don't want that crap still hanging around in the office okay that's so funny but yeah yeah I upload it yeah I
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was given um loads of sprues yeah they were like what do you want to play and I was like I don't know Space Marines are
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cool and and maybe some Death Cards and um and was given like a lot like um you
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you trip you were tripping over like indomitis boxes yeah yeah oh yes of course like years afterwards yeah
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um yeah they're hard to come by for a time and then suddenly yeah there's tons and tons of them not as bad as Dominion boxes no those
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were everywhere yeah you'd go to the toilet they were prop in the toilet through a
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maze um but is it gonna be is it gonna be new age of Sigma next year I don't know
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it happens so often nowadays I can't even it used to be about four or five years before a New Codex oh sorry new um
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game system was released so like 40K would be released two years into 40K being released you'll
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be working on like Warhammer and then when one oh yeah two years ago that you'd be working on 40K so there was
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always like a a couple of years and it might still be the same it just time goes faster now we've got all factors um
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we will go back to Suggs um but yeah there was a guy I remember uh who used to sit next to me in the
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studio and in the recycle bin sometimes because uh the miniature department will put it was the design student at one
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point so it was Miniatures hobby products graphic design art hobby painters everything they're all in the same studio now it's all like fragmented
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all over the place which sometimes works I don't necessarily think it's the the best of moves because everything's quite
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fragmented yeah so everyone's got their own little satellite nations yes yes and no one talks to each other yeah that's
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that back in the day it was a bit I said it darling I said back in the day I'm very aware of saying that now but anyway I digress because that's what we do on
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the show um there was a guy who would go into the bins and Miniatures would have test
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shots and sometimes those test shots if you ever notice on a spree you get lots of little dots and one certain that's how many times it's been reviewed and
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tested all right rejigged and retried so all these little dots you got in there is like you know it's been thoroughly
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checked over because sometimes like the feed lines don't go all the way to the end of a blade and you have a bit of a blob yeah or it's not finished say
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um there was like one test for the plastic Valkyrie um that didn't do so well there was like
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one fitting or something I couldn't remember exactly what it was but they had about 14 sprues of Valkyries which went straight into the um recycling bin
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to be recycled into plastic to be reused again and this one guy took them all out and
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put them under his desk and I like are you ever going to do anything with those it's like I'll probably sell them was that
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I was like cool and it was not long after Duncan had started and Duncan he
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he likes his Rabbi rbts and his uh enforcers for necroman and he wanted to do a whilst you're talking so I'm gonna
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go around turn the volume down on my computer oh it's because the Discord keeps beeping oh yes we got we did get
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that mentioned uh last time yeah so yeah you better get it it's not my fault for
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forgetting to turn the volume down uh it's our discord's fault for enjoying it so much yes stop stop enjoying it
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because it's such a lovely place to be it is um and it's just just just lots of
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messages in a multitude of different different chats yeah Hammer some about
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food there's one for pet picks that's one of my personal favorites um somebody posted a picture of like a
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shark that washed up on a beach and I was like he was like it's not a pet but this was just down the road that's like
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wow interesting Australia is a crazy place man duh
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so Duncan and long started and um he was into like doing like some
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vehicles for his uh enforcers stroke R bytes um and he wanted to do a valkyrie with a
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search light on it uh so he had no guns Pat no guns at all just a Searchlight which I thought was quite amusing it was
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like a troop transport so it would hover around like the the lower areas of of necomunder which would be a bit scary
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flying through uh the inside of a hive City but then you know the Millennium Falcons flown through the Death Star so
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it's doable um I have true facts I saw a documentary about it once it's called Uh Return of
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the Jedi um so it's worth checking that out if you've never seen it and uh yeah so he
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wanted to do this this conversion he was like oh I want to make a a valkyrie it's got search lights on and stuff like that okay I was like ah such and such I'm not
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gonna say anything because I don't wanna you know get in trouble not even getting into trouble just don't want to talk about them uh and I was just like uh oh
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you've got like 14 Spruce down there yeah you couldn't just chill towards Duncan's like no I'm not gonna I'll use
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them off myself I was like yeah but you're gonna sell them on eBay which is one wrong and two you're not going to do
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anything with them he was like and they're free you didn't actually pay any money for them yeah took them out of a bit it's a bit unfair uh and he was like
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no no I'm Gonna Keep myself thanks I was like cool so when I went for lunch I just took a spoon
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because one did he stole them two he was gonna make money out of things that were getting away yeah and three there
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weren't really his property it was work properties and Duncan wanted to do a cool conversion which he did yes uh uh I
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was just like oh what knob the the busiest I ever saw the
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sprue bin um was when somebody found some bits of like cursed City boxes oh and threw them
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in there and I've never seen as many people huddled around there yeah I used to like dropping stuff on the round table Yeah and seeing like the crews
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descend yeah yeah it is funny it is funny I mean I mean I was totally part
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of that as well I think I've got a few death guard sprues uh and some bits of scenery that I thought might be useful
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yeah so Suggs yes Suggs going rogue Hobbies good names strong name Louise
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you probably already subscribed to her already and yeah if you've not but if you have it Go and Do It Go and Do It
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um yeah yeah she's left I mean I guess we were sort of privita some of her plans like slightly before they were
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announced but um no good on you Suggs um I think I think the whole Community is behind you and we say go out and
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absolutely smash it yeah there was a there was a romantic notion a few years ago about a year ago when I was looking
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to go longer than a year ago now because probably six months being with you now isn't it pretty much yeah uh me Suggs
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and hats were all thinking of departing and join up and life got in the way Hattie went to work with midwinter uh
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and then me and Suggs were like and then you approached me I was like Hey so it's just like oh I'm not sure uh so she she
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stayed where she was and then uh thankfully she she's in a better place I think mentally physically and she gets
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to do what she wants witches paint goblins and Rainbow Warriors and bright colors I don't know if I mentioned this on the last chat or not or if I just
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mentioned it randomly in conversation because we talk a lot when we're here and I sometimes forget if it's chat or not um so we met up with Suggs and
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Hattie in midwinter yep at bugman's just oh yeah there's a picture with you yeah yeah
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strong woman Liz putting everyone's shame well she put my arms she just borrowed my arms for a day that sort of
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okay took them off in the morning I'll come come to that in a minute because she beats me up it's great uh
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not in a bad way in a fun way because I she she pretends not to uh um to look
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too strong so we're in the hallway and she tried to push past me I was just like oh come on you can do harder than that and she did and I nearly went
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flying and I was like I'm proud of you dear um but yeah so we met up and it was
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really nice chatting to so and uh guy and Hattie yes
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um I forgot my train of thought because I was talking about Suggs but yeah we uh
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I was aware that Louise is going I know what it's going to be I know it's gonna be I remember now so I tracked this what happened uh so the thing I find really
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funny is my wife is a bit like my mum so she likes my post she doesn't actually so whenever a video she watches the
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videos like the chats you don't watch the paint ones but she well she does actually she has them in the background but when I put a post up on Instagram
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because it's linked to my Facebook she she's very I won't say prevalent on Facebook she uses Facebook more than anything so she doesn't have any other
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social media so she sees that the stories come what she sees the posts and she goes I just like him I don't
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actually look at them or read them I was like cool thanks darling you know he's because because what you do is really nice and I was like okay she's just
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showing support shown support as soon as Louise puts himself she's like so beautiful look at that look at the paintwork and I showed that to my friend
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we're like looking at her figures cool thanks so you hate my painting but
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you like Louise's that's that's fine that's so Louise you're doing well if you can get my white behind your painting she hates mine yeah
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I don't know yours no you don't hate it I mean it's interesting there's an interesting debate I think isn't there
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like I think we chatted about it a bit with Dave when when he was on um yeah and and sort of like
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um you have you know some of the YouTubers that are now sort of moving into more like your aspirational content like your
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display level painting yeah um and your squid Mars that are sort of like we're doing massive dioramas now
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yeah and that's pretty much what we do yeah um and I guess people watch it to
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go through the process and being like wow it was a 10-part series and it went from that to that yeah I'll never be
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able to do that and that's so cool um and I've talked about it before um like Alex uh Alex Steele who's like a
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blacksmith yes he used to do I'm gonna make this Falcon and it's gonna take me 24 videos to do or like a samurai sword
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or something like that and and people interestingly are moving into doing that sort of stuff with Warhammer
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um so you have your aspirational stuff you have your tutorials uh on the other end of the
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Spectrum which is here's how to paint this specific miniature yeah yeah um and neither is right or wrong
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everyone's doing what they want to do but um it's interesting what what seems to be getting more views at the moment or yeah
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all this that and the other yeah um and whether because I think say like the painting coach for example yeah we
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name drop him quite a lot um because these tutorials are really good and he sent me a voice message saying
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uh which is cherished forever um
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uh yeah and and as as we found a little bit as well I guess so yeah painting coach I think he has 80 000 subscribers
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now something like that like getting getting up there um but comparatively
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um some of some of the views they kind of vary per model like yeah what's kind of
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in Vogue at the moment and that kind of thing um is is comparatively like a bit lower
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like it like as we found I think a single miniature tutorial if it gets 10 000 views that's quite
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good yeah yeah um if it's sort of like here's how to paint uh
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an alternating is how to paint a stormtrooper yeah um or something along those lines
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um whereas we paint a warlord tight turns and they say it in the funny voice and and kind
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of like dramatize the whole thing yeah yeah I suppose I mean you could do that with painted minis but I guess it's
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there's no right or wrong way I think it's what people want to see and I know from our Channel we want to help people
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get stuff on the table top that's a big Mantra so we'll continue doing that sometimes we'll like make a story out of
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it like we've done with the Imperial Guard one where yeah you know 12 hours becomes 15 hours the anger on
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um you know six hours to paint a primer which is like a couple of hours in a one on a Saturday a couple of hours on a
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Sunday uh so you know I I want to stick to that because you know at the end of
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the day I want to help people it's the difference between being Bob Ross and Leonardo da Vinci right yeah
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maybe Raphael I don't know I would comment about good Leonardo da Vinci's he's good at making stuff you're talking
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about Ninja Turtles I was talking about Leonardo Donatello and all the others Cowabunga baby yeah my dad once said
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that into a car park uh you know you get the barrier yes it pulled up it wasn't working so it pressed the button just
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shot a cow bunga I think I was like can I help you yeah I think Barry's not working no I did that but that just
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reminded me when you you talk about Ninja Turtles yeah shouting cow Bunga to random gate operators is not a good move
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I love Ninja Turtles yeah um but yeah It's tricky because you you gotta there's the algorithm right there's
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there's package in the videos but also you want to try and help people making making videos that people want to watch
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I would be interested to see how and it probably will just plummet and or be the same I don't know if I did a high-end
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paint job as a paint guide it's against what I want to do yeah yeah it would be interesting it's like I can
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do it but I don't want to do it because I want to help people yeah because I I and I'm
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this is not based on any facts it's more like from what I've witnessed over my years of experience and
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opinion is I do think there's far more people that struggle or don't enjoy
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painting or oh yeah a big barrier yeah than there is the high-end painters that do exhibition painting so I aim at the
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the vast majority which I think want to get stuff on the table top as quick as possible and we'd still get comments going no it's really badly painted cool
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go off and watch Richie gray then stop watching our videos and commenting on them that's fine if you don't enjoy it
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it's okay yeah well but I'm not for you yeah it's for everyone else that I think there'll always be elements of that yeah
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and the silks will get it and you know Duncan will get it you'll get people that will probably like go no that's
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really badly painting all that oh you could have done it you could have done it faster even Duncan I know he is the
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Lord and savior of many but yeah I'm sure it's interesting I mean we're used to when we're on Mormon TV you have to
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get comments uh so you know it's just part and parcel some people are out there just to be mean I think it makes
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them feel better inside and if that helps them feel bad then I'm glad I've helped yes yes he's really doing it but
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don't be mean to Suggs because she doesn't deserve it she's like he does I
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do look at me uh Suggs doesn't deserve it uh the world is is too is not pure
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enough for Louise sugden I think Rob would agree with that she showed me some um uh
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maybe you're in a bit ago now uh some uh uh threads that she found on like
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Fortune oh God yeah and stuff and they were like they were really creepy well there was one and at the time pat price
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is with us as well I mean obviously X Copper at the top well he wasn't a copper at that time but yeah yeah you go
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back into being a policeman quite quickly he's he's his career is a sandwich it's armed police officer
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battle report presenter on police officer it's it's a sandwich yeah a good bit
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Paris and you think those two bits of bread would be like the hardest parts apparently it would be a battle report
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presented was Harder Than You Know dealing with armed gunman uh but yeah so
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he he was looking at some of the things that Louise got sent and they were horrible there was like one person who commented and said I walked
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past that place every day I could go there and attack her and no one would know who I am and I was just like what
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the hell that's like really bad you know and threatening as well yeah because she
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it was along the lines of I know what she looks like she doesn't know what I look like and I could you
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know harm her at any point and like why one why would you want to harm someone you don't know and two yeah that's so
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many levels of weird and creep um you shouldn't be allowed to speak or type on the internet let alone get
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outside your door if that's the kind of attitude I explained to the world I watched um I watched a documentary on
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um uh in cells uh which is like young men and it's like involuntary celibacy
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oh okay I thought it was like cells inside of Prisons no like it's a lot of like frustrated young men that uh think
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that kind of like women are out to get them what they are or you want to marry you'll be happy or that kind of thing
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and there was this there was one lad um who spent loads of time uh like in his room and on the internet and it's
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like an echo chamber you know like I remember um oh what was it like when David Cameron
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um became conservative prime minister and um it was a super interesting
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thing because like loads of people on my Facebook were sort of like I voted I vote labor I vote labor I voted labor
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um and then it was like David Cameron got in and I was like no way but everyone voted labor like no they didn't
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like loads of people that I knew voted labor yeah um
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oh yeah there was one one of the comments that sucks told me was um was just like because the unfortunate thing
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is like say as to like dudes dudes two white guys on the
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internet yeah um like I don't I don't think I've like had a comment about my appearance
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on on here um and and now that I've said I mean you you yeah I'm sure you will I
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mean people would be like a normal human you look rough today and I were like damn right um I'm like a shriveled version of uh
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Voldemort so yeah I get Voldemort's quite shriveled already um more so I've been in the bath longer
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oh yeah um yeah but it is is um
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I'd really like to get some more women on on um on the show and and and discuss that
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sort of element of it and we'd love to get sugs on uh yeah the invites there we just want to try and well she's working our date and she might want to talk
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about some of the stuff uh before she comes on here on her own channel which is completely Fair
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um but yeah being being a woman on the internet uh in in like a very male dominated space
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um is you know your painting will be criticized but then also
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like it I think when services on masterclass they were like oh she needs to get her nails done yeah I mean that
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sort of thing and about her looks and and that must be uh really challenging
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to deal with so what I found really interesting because I used to see what sucks a lot and we used to talk a lot and
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um she came on live once for a hangout Hobby and that was when we started talking
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about like the stuff she'd painted and she's known as savage or guy on uh tinterweb and I was chatting to her and
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I was like you know how has it been you know you've got quite a big following and stuff because at that time even it was like before Duncan had left a couple
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of years before Duncan left I think um and she had a huge follow him and
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rightly so and she started off as Savage organ she never showed a picture of
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herself she never mentioned she was a lady and she got a decent amount of followers oh so do you think people
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assumed because it was savage or guy he was a dude people thought it was a and she uh uh content was was liked on it
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the merits of what it was yeah um and then one day she just went I didn't put my face on my profile I
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mentioned my lady she got some hate for that yeah he's like you're only doing it because you're a woman it's like no no I've been doing this for this long doing
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it and I've never mentioned another lady yeah uh so you you instantly get like your weird misogynist that just hate
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people being successful and especially yeah um but what but then obviously you know
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she just was like just I enjoy painting it's what I do I don't care whether my reproductive systems on the you know my
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my bits are on the outside of the inside it doesn't matter it shouldn't matter um but for some reason some people took
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one Bridge with the fact that she said she was a lady as opposed to just being an obvious which I don't think should
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make any difference to any no argument in any way shape or form yeah but she
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had a good following before she said she was a girl and then as soon as she mentions a girl she got hate that was
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just weird because the internet's weird um but I think like um like we talked
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about like representation and there's always something like interesting comments and and stuff like that
28:46
um which I guess I don't necessarily want to go into because reading some of the replies I'm like oh
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um but anyway no uh if she's if she's ever on she'll tell you some of the good comments there's one that talked about her being
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um a guy who's a connoisseur petite small petite women is that I'm a
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connoisseur of small petite women as like okay or was this the same guy that said um animes ruined real life women I think
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it might be yeah I think it might be yeah there's some interesting people yeah yeah but um but yeah it's I mean I
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I don't pretend to know anything about anything neither do I but um paint him
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fast yeah maybe like um I think yeah being a woman in the hobby uh does come
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with its own challenges I think uh their critiques a lot more than men are yeah um
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and yeah it it yeah I I I I like have a like
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I remember saying uh I was like oh my sister said oh you can't be what you can't see yeah
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um and and someone said uh in a comment they were sort of like hey but how come
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there were astronauts like there's always the first person and it's like yes like this is like a generalized
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little saying yeah but we all know who Rosa Parks is yeah she's out on a bus
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yeah um and she paved the way for it to be a lot easier for other people
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to sit anywhere they wanted on a bus yeah um like they're always is a first person
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but the idea is it's a lot harder for said person yeah and then it's easier afterwards yeah
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um like they were the first astronauts but the Apollo 5 rocket uh uh the Apollo
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missions like Apollo 11 obviously went to the moon there was one before they were doing a load of tests it caught fire and they all died oh yeah and it's
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like well they were the first ones but then they made that mistake and then it was easier for like Neil Armstrong and
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everyone thinks he was the first it's like no it's it's that crew that all burned alive so I heard a story and this
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is from a reputable Source uh Dave Andrews I believe it's Dave Andrews it could have been rage runfield they're
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very into their World War II and the first paratroopers were Russian and they used to walk along the wings and jump off because the plane would float fly
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really low and they all broke their legs uh and then I guess the European force
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was a bit like that's a terrible idea we need a way to slow you down after you've jumped off so they'd jump off without
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parachutes yeah yeah they'd get the walk along the wings the plane would fly really low and then they'd just jump off
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the back of the plane some didn't break the legs but are quite a fair few did so like your uh casualty
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ratio was quite high I can imagine [Laughter] I mean if you know any different or can
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clarify that uh stick in the comments because I heard it from someone who's very into their World War II and I was
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just like that can't be real um I'm sure I I did have a bit of research but then the internet sometimes
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is full of lies but I've heard it I've read it once and heard it once so okay it does give me a sense that it did
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exist yeah but yeah like you know the first the first people to do paratrooping
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[Laughter]
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I don't necessarily know where my point was going with that but um yeah it's an interesting uh like with
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it with the Advent of tick tock and and reels and um they're kind of like lip syncing to
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stuff and relating that to your hobby like there was that big sort of Boom with that yeah on Instagram and
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um certainly like from my personal experience um like there's a few guys doing it I keep getting a guy who has written
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lyrics to Like famous pop songs about how he just has a massive pile of Shame
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and I'm like oh that's quite funny but then I've seen like 10 of them now and I was just like oh yeah I'm okay
32:43
um but I think yeah like like silver paints was quite popular uh well actually no she I think she put a
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proposed saying like oh I I I've been really busy like she changed okay jobs and stuff like that
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um and uh and that sort of stuff but I'd be really interested to talk to like uh
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silver Payne this is Rach Warhammer girl yeah yeah and and uh and some others and
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because like they uh like you know did the reels and and all that sort of stuff and they have like a sizable following
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yeah uh be interesting to hear their thoughts on next time Darth is over as well Darcy if you're uh if you're
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watching you probably are she's one of our patrons as well and she's always the um on the credit list she's always the
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last one because she was the first one yeah it's indeed because she's amazing yeah
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um she's in the states uh so she came down uh for a horror heresy weekend we
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played a game of war cry that was fun she trounced me um but yeah she doesn't Peach well yeah
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yeah good good fun hobbyist uh no knows a lot about painting
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um just just from uh was saying that when he's like oh I got beaten in the game um obviously we do our necrom under
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stuff and I remember like some of the practice games we had I was like something's wrong long hair like I won
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but I don't know what I'm doing like this feels incorrect yeah
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um and then uh after the first game uh that we filmed and missed a bunch of
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rules out of us I was like right okay right let's get all this nailed and it was some guy's review of like corpse
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Grinders and how to play them and all the rules and like his opening sentence was just like these guys are broken
34:22
necromondor is not a balanced game he was like these are perfect for beginners and you could easily win a game you
34:29
could win your first game and I was like okay yeah that's that's what happened the interesting thing as well I suppose
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that's not necessarily a bad thing because you've never played before so that's a nice segue in but you don't get
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all the extra stuff that I would get for vansar because I've got the extra packs of things which have got yeah yeah yeah
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uh the arachnery war suit you've got probably the Harvester of the Eightfold
34:53
who's like the big resin character who's like the named yes dramatic person yeah
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um yeah maybe some other random bits but yeah you won't get as much as I think everyone else will no no no it's fine
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run forwards we need to carry on with that because we've got our game to play Stab people yeah but the the depressing
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thing is I realized that I wasn't using them to their full potential you're still trapsing it
35:16
yeah well uh this is what I liked about doing that first game yeah was one to
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see Tesla water um went down fairly well I think yeah I think so uh so we'll get the others played and filmed and edited I know it's
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a nightmare to edit so hopefully Pat's gonna teach you how to edit so I can do some videos whilst he's editing those
35:34
um that might be the plan I could do some chats figure something out yeah yeah it just means we can get more videos out yeah yeah that's how I want
35:41
to do it but also um yeah so play some more games get those out learn a bit more the rules will be Loosely Goosey as
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I always like to say because we're learning we'll forget some things remember some new stuff I slight subject
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because that's what we do uh played my first game of well first proper game of kill team at the weekend against my
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wife's friend's partner Sam who is also a patron hey Sam uh and I read I said this this is what I
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hate about new game systems so Warcraft played at Lowe's when I first started playing that I found it a bit harder to get into but actually I found warcry
36:15
easier to get into than kill team kill team is a bit more rules heavy yeah than war cry
36:21
um and it I like it I like the game system I find it clunky in places but I
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also understand someone like the first the the measuring thing where you have like yeah yeah white circles which yeah
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two inches each I now get there when you start taking more damage um you lose like one weapon skill one
36:40
ballistic skill you lose some from your movement as well oh okay so yeah it's like bracketers yeah so you lose like
36:45
one of those Circle movements instead of having three so you could have two circles the thing I've discovered is
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there's a lot more bookkeeping whereas like Warcraft you put some wound tokens on here on your on your card yeah so you
36:57
know how many wounds you've taken whereas like I feel like I need a notepad because do you have an activation token for each one but then
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also um whether they're like yeah so that that was something that [ __ ] me as well
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because I was like do you keep those for the next turn and then change so there's a lot of uh rules that I've got to get
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my head around um I watched Pat price teach me the rules uh welcome welcome techobs
37:23
so watch those I did a little Shadow game with myself I read the rules read the rules Sam came around to play and a
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media forgot everything uh and I was like I'm really sorry I've tried my head is just filled full of data yeah and I
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can't but we we muscled through we had a bit of fun he he was using uh five uh intercessors and I had the blooded I was
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using the blooded rules oh yeah yeah and I think if you if you have a specific
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um kill team they generally do a lot better I think yeah so if you like with the blooded uh it's versus well in the
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set this 10 Phobos Marines versus ten yeah technically 12 blooded yeah um because you've got like you could
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have 14 blooded Troopers or if you wanted and all granny counters too if you wanted oh yeah yeah yeah yeah they
38:08
also uploaded markers which give you benefits so they have like spec ops tackops which spec ops you do in the
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command phase uh strategic phase whatever it's called and then the attack Ops can be done during the game yeah but
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you use command points for that so you have to accrue command points so it's there's a I'd say it's like war cry but
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with more detail to it I like war cry because it's Simplicity but you can make
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it more complicated if you need to do but not like in the way that it becomes quite clunky uh but I do like how kill
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team plays as well I just need to get my head around some of the rules yeah um and necromondo I really like again
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with it being like a sounds like a negative it's not meant to be but forgual are very much into making fun
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books but sometimes their rules can be a bit all over the place and you're a little yeah yeah it was interesting uh chat to Rob uh
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about that yeah and he was just like it's the crunchiest like most difficult thing and all the rules are in like five
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different books yeah yeah um um I was attracted to someone uh at this wedding in France uh someone said uh we
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were chatting in a pub and we're talking about uh Warhammer a little bit and um but then afterwards he was like
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your name's Patrick and I was like yeah um and he was like and you live in the
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Midlands and I was like yeah Nottingham and he's like and you like Warhammer yeah
39:30
are you excited to see like a red dog this is our Target yeah and he was like
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I think I watched your podcast the other day I was like oh cool cool oh yeah and and he was like oh I watched
39:43
the one we beat the war game and then he talked about uh we were chatting about necromonda yeah uh and stuff like that but uh he had a really uh a cool story
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uh before um like he said that he watched the show or realized who I was because we were in
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a pub in uh in a place called breast breast um in an Irish Pub of all places
40:04
um so get everywhere yeah again I think I think with it's kind of like the the Celtic connection because my brother
40:11
worked for a a three Guinness Pub pubs in Beijing you picked it was in one
40:17
there was like three in Beijing he worked at one uh which was like a an Irish run Pub yeah it was really random
40:24
and that was years ago he went over to China to learn Mandarin which sounded I mean I had to do that for one of the uh
40:30
paint guides for uh you had to say like hello in yeah it was like I can't remember exactly uh the translation of
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it but it was something on like happy New Year and it was the year the tiger yeah but I did sound I I was terrible I
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could probably remember how to do it but because I have no sort of sense of
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um articulation yeah I don't know if I'm going hello and welcome to the painting
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Place yeah yeah so it was like along those lines I was just like I'm just gonna do what this uh lady called Lauren
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she'd get me like a thing a partner is is English but he also listens and he corrected and stuff but I sounded more
41:06
like I was speaking hoodies uh as like a bounty hunter as opposed to Mandarin so
41:11
I'm really sorry if I just murdered your native tongue yeah like I I was very
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like I I haven't studied French um since Secondary School a very very long time
41:23
ago uh and Google Translate is full of adverts now which is annoying um or maybe I downloaded the wrong one
41:29
but um uh yeah the the sentence I learned um that got laughed out of the
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natives um I would just say it's just sweet desele pause for dramatic effect and you'll be
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like je suion clay which is anyone is just like I'm sorry
41:46
I'm English yeah I remember my very first uh french lesson was a secondary
41:51
school we'd moved up from Prime we went to secondary uh and your very first french lesson you sit down and this
41:57
woman comes up to and goes kiss kiss and I was like I don't speak French and I was like I had no idea what it meant so
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uh is what is your name is that right yeah I think maybe yeah I think so I
42:09
don't know something like that yeah uh but yeah I didn't speak that I did speak
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German oh as a child yes I was born in Germany yeah and spoke German as a child
42:19
and I find it really weird I don't know if anyone I'm not sure if I mentioned this on the channel before but if anyone
42:24
else has experienced this or knows what it it is please tell me in the comments but I lost that knowledge of the
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language oh because I moved to the UK then we did yeah yeah then we went up to secondary school and you to do French
42:40
yes before you could do any other language yes and I wanted to do German because I was still like at that brink
42:46
of like understanding bits yeah yeah and I had to do French and I really struggled in French really really struggled uh and I don't I think I was a
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really bad student to be fair unless I was like thinking or talking about Toy Soldiers
42:58
drawing pictures of toy soldiers or uh uh go to history and like talking about
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Romans yeah you know yeah the wild west and stuff like that I didn't care
43:10
um and yeah so I lost that that that kind of knowledge but what is really weird and it freaks my wife out is like
43:16
sometimes we're watching a program and then there'd be a gym when I know what it means I can't tell you how to say it I can't
43:22
say it myself but when I hear it I know it I know what it is and I don't understand that I don't know if it's
43:29
like some weird sort of like conditioning that I can just like pick up on Words and just go I know what that means that's very interesting yeah with
43:36
flashbacks to a different life I don't know I don't know it's just um I can I can now understand why like Sleeper Cell spies have trigger words
43:42
and then oh yeah and then they're like brought back like winter soldier yeah like Manchurian Candidate style yeah
43:48
yeah but it's just really weird just every now and again I'm just like I understand that well like yeah your version of Manchurian Candidate you're
43:54
watching a film with some Nazis in it's like that means cheese
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probably yeah the spondon candidate
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that's genius yeah absolutely um but yeah sorry the um the chap I was talking to in this Irish pub in uh France
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um sorry I completely no no it's fine I want to get back because um uh I don't want to forget it because
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it was a really cool story and I was just like that's awesome uh him and his wife uh love Lord of the Rings and uh he
44:30
said they went on a Lord of the Rings tour and they went to the bit uh like the the breaking of the fellowship
44:36
um which you know borrow me all right
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um so and it's it's the um uh like the river and Frodo gets in the bones yeah
44:46
I'm chases after it and all that sort of stuff um and and they take he was like oh look here's a picture of me dressed up as
44:52
like a uh the witch King and he has like the sword yeah oh that's really cool but the bit that I was just like that's the
44:58
coolest thing in the world ever um he was like yeah so when he was like I don't know if it was like when people
45:04
weren't looking uh he was like I had all of these like Ziploc plastic bags and I was on the Shore picking up like little
45:10
Pebbles and bits of sand yeah um and and his wife blessing was like yep I was stood there like rotating them all out
45:15
and giving in the little bags um and and he was like so my uh
45:20
Fellowship of the Ring Miniatures are based with basing material from Middle Earth smart and I was like that that is
45:28
amazing that's like that's so cool I think that's that that is something I'll have to do uh I know um zorbazorb I
45:36
talked to him yeah a bit uh lucky and he has been doing that well he's done one video so far which is making Ed her ass
45:42
on header ass so he goes to location oh yeah yeah um and he makes that
45:48
um piece of scenery it's not like the full address he does like the Gatehouse yeah um but he's like but yeah I didn't
45:53
realize this because it's like a protected area if he's got static grass it's windy that that material can't go
45:59
into the ground he has to anything he has to like oh you have to bring it back with you um but yeah I'll be like I'd be
46:06
totally up for like getting bits of soil or sanding like making header ass yeah that or whatever yeah that's cool yeah I
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like that into that one or like yeah or like let's go and then
46:18
um just like recreate scenes or like have have like Frodo in a boat and just voice
46:25
him like we do with our likes I'm going on my own and I'm going with
46:31
you and just throw salmon look at these metal balls oh no does
46:40
actually drown in this one oh dear I remember watching that movie at the cinema and I went with a bunch of mates
46:45
from Union then never read Lord of the Rings and they're they're no one cried at Boromir right but they cried at Sam
46:51
potentially drowned I knew Sam wasn't going to die because I'd read the books and I'm just there like
46:57
you're trying at some potentially drowning yeah I mean he is the the most
47:03
valuable player oh he's the MVP isn't he I think it was uh I saw a meme and it
47:09
had like the fellowship minus seven it's like one percent of the fellowship yes
47:15
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he's great genius yeah yeah chillcom we went to
47:21
that didn't we oh we did yeah so that was fun so that was up in Sheffield uh we met a few people uh it was really
47:26
nice dude yeah if we did meet you yeah um it was lovely to be picked a fair few people uh as in close Peg uh uh yeah so uh that
47:36
was just a bit of fun just going around sticking clothes pegs on folks got some nice cake as well yeah I can't want to say it was uh lemon
47:43
drizzle but it wasn't lemon drizzle it was some form of lemony citrusy orangey cake wasn't it yeah very nice very tasty just from it like someone's someone's
47:50
Tupperware that they had on them yes yeah there's like oh that's okay we'd like some cake I love cake is that like
47:56
they're like middle-aged version of like what school thinks
48:03
people will do with drugs like like when you're in school they're like oh don't don't accept random things for
48:09
strangers like like we used to we had to do these like role playing stuff oh yeah yeah you'd have Bits of Paper yeah and somebody were like do you want to try
48:15
some ecstasy and you'd be like yeah I'll try to make [ __ ] LOL um and then they're like we don't recommend you you've just accepted these
48:22
Bits of Paper and and this might happen but it might damage you oh this that and the other and it's like you grow up and
48:28
you're like one drugs are expensive are people really gonna come up to you and try and give them away yeah I guess as a
48:34
man like nobody will as a woman date rape all that sort of stuff very serious you made this dog oh yeah
48:41
um by this that's my that's my my privilege coming through being like
48:47
who's gonna give me drugs um but then when you get older yeah um it's in cake form yeah and I love it
48:53
I want to accept random cake off drinks I'm happy to take any kind of cake if I want to start I'll eat anything and the
48:59
only thing I don't like and I don't know why it's licorice however if it was the only food source left on the earth I would eat it
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I think I might die yeah if T went then that's it I'm out oh okay yeah yeah I could swing with that tea I can't I
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can't I tell you what though since since um uh we joined forces um I drink so much more tea
49:19
um well I mean I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm a pretentious um artist and I drink peppermint tea
49:25
yeah because uh I don't drink milk and uh but I just love peppermint tea I used
49:30
to drink black tried it black tea for a while and I was like yeah maybe I'll just Swap and I try coffee but then I
49:36
couldn't sleep I do it's actually like peppermint tea I drink so much of it and the big boxes that are like cheaper it's
49:42
like when I go to Sainsbury's or wherever it's like I'm in an imaginary war with someone because the big boxes
49:49
they're never there oh no and then and then they are there and you're like oh my God I need and it's always like the
49:54
last one so it's just you and someone else yeah just trying to get Nottingham supply of peppermint too yeah because I
50:00
have like three or four a day now yeah yeah I mean I I I'm not even gonna count how many it's definitely more than 15.
50:05
probably their rookie numbers 15 I think but I remember many colleagues
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yeah I hope you got the cheap kettle of Boris Johnson told everyone to buy uh I don't know uh I'm not sure
50:18
a modern day when you can save eight pounds a year thanks Boris but I'm a studio and even like when
50:27
marketing like new colleagues would tell I've never drank this much tea in my life I'm like sorry you should have that
50:32
effect on people it's because I go for Tears yeah um they do say you know you need to get
50:39
up every when you've sat down at a computer or you sat down doing painting you need to get up regular night because
50:44
I I paint fairly swiftly I'd get to stages quicker yeah like you know what
50:49
I've got the base coats done and I treat myself to a cup of tea so I'll get up yeah yeah I like Duncan or Stephen be
50:55
like yeah yeah I'll come for a tea they they would be halfway through the stage so I used to like really ruin their
51:00
equilibrium but they're like oh I don't want to miss out of tea and have a chin Michael yeah about napoleonics or Star
51:05
Wars or whatever so we'd go off for a one we'll go and get a cup of tea we'll come back they'll crack on I'd be like on to my next stage and stuff
51:12
um but yeah I always remember like folks just saying that I drink way too much tea I need to cut down I can feel my leather dying in my bag
51:19
what's going wrong it's my liver or something I don't know I might just be a bad back because the way I see it because some of us used to sit really
51:25
bad yeah I mean yeah I'm I'm horrendous for it and and I will sit at my desk and
51:33
I'll be like right I really need the toilet I'm really thirsty and I haven't eaten in like six hours but I'll just
51:39
get to this bit yeah yeah yeah and then I'll stop and and I should just get up and you know perform all of those
51:46
functions uh but I don't I find when we're here filming and painting um I get into the Zone I don't eat lunch
51:54
um and I do I do offer him food he does he does I just don't want to because I'm like because I've touched it he says
51:59
yeah I'll get a beard and I don't want a beard well I've got a bit but
52:05
yeah the wife knows all about them one of the voluptuous full bits no no it's just too much too much pruning uh unless
52:12
it goes up here then I'll be okay yeah I I was saying someone the other day uh I'm I'm just slowly
52:18
migrating all the hair from up here down to here yeah and then when you get to my
52:23
age you become a white walker and it just slowly travels South yeah it's already there um
52:29
yeah yeah um so uh yeah and then and then when I inevitably have to like shove all my
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hair off then I'll be like yeah the ball head beard look and then I will have completed the the phase of yeah hair was
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up here flip yeah yeah reverse head which is two upside down yeah yeah we
52:45
should do that now draw like a draw a mouth on my forehead yeah um very xinchin yeah oh yeah next right
52:51
uh yeah uh I was gonna say something I can't remember what it was something really bold chill con yeah we'll talk about chilcon we were talking about oh
52:58
yeah uh that was cool uh not been to it before it's coming in for five years now
53:03
uh if you've ever been to like someone like partisan or Hammerhead it's a bit like that uh probably slightly smaller
53:10
um but it's really nice really uh cozy we did a speed painting that was oh yeah
53:15
yeah we can't yeah um yeah it was 20 minutes to paint the Marine wasn't it yeah and we we had only
53:21
not long just finished doing the the Army painter review yeah
53:27
white Scarlet Angel and Imperial fists and the models were undercoated white and I was like well I've only got 20
53:33
minutes this is how I think I've only got 20 minutes it's undercoated white so I'm gonna do a white color scheme this man here are a proud dad moment as I'm
53:40
there getting all my colors ready for an input a white Sky he's there was no conversation there was no two and fro he
53:47
was doing the exact same thing I was like I'm so proud out of you right now yeah why is you know because you've it's
53:52
undercoated white and if I do this I can pick out some red of that yeah yeah I mean yeah yeah that was a
53:58
really fun day it was a great day it was great uh hanging out and meeting people uh that because
54:05
when I'm I spent so much time in this room uh it's always quite surreal when somebody comes up and shakes hand and
54:12
they're like oh I watch the show I really like it yeah which is weird yeah um but yeah we uh bunched into Mikey uh
54:18
Josh pickle jar um oh yeah definitely yeah he won the he
54:27
won the uh the vehicle uh painting competition that he entered like the day before yeah yeah uh which is really cool but uh yeah uh uh pickle Jazz um because
54:35
we we uh cheated and did white scars yeah um but he did a salamander complete with
54:40
flames yeah on the pole from a white undercoat so cute uh pickle jar for that and then and then uh and and then a kid
54:47
one yes so yeah uh you know to be fair I mean professional pay to beaten by child I'm okay with that because did you see
54:54
the smile on the kid's face yeah that's worth that's worth me losing money yeah
54:59
I felt like really bad but uh the experience itself was hilarious yeah and
55:05
we interviewed certainly started like a I hate the word influencer but um yeah like an influencer painting
55:12
challenge yeah there's a few of us that we're getting heckled by people standing behind us that was really good fun though it was
55:18
quite like interactive and uh and amusing so hopefully uh they they do something like that again yeah like next
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year I definitely did um what they should do is do one you know give people like tennis balls to throw us oh yeah well that might be it
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might be worth mentioning to the organizer like at the end or like during the day it's just the influences that do
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painting are there and then you can Heckle them and you can like you know put them off yeah yeah
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if you donate five pounds to charity we will snap peachy's paintbrush
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oh no he has to do finger painting I think that would be really cool yeah
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it was a good day we got to see a lot of stuff got to and we we talked to the war on terror guys who put post up uh over
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the weekend uh just paying up some of their uh Tesla Marines yeah we're gonna have them on the chat shows yes yeah
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really nice models really enjoyed painting them I want to do some of the Grays as well and get the whole set so I've done two color tests I mean I'm two
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minds I mean I'm not sure we'll do a painful paint guide for the video for the channel but we're definitely gonna look at the same I'm gonna paint the
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stuff up I'm in two minds to just do one of every color scheme and just showcase
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them and go this is what I think you know that because like from my point of view this kind of skin could work from
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my point of view you can still play the game with this eclectic mix of different color schemed uh humans versus Grays and
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stuff yeah or just paint pick one of those two I've done and maybe we should put a polo
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yeah do a couple more go okay I'm thinking these four schemes and then pull it see what people think but get
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the rest of the set paint up have a go at the game we haven't had a poll on patreon anymore we haven't no uh yeah I
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need to need to get on that it's uh it's important to do polls yeah but after
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um uh being a choke on and having lots of fun there um because we we were stood behind a
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table for a little bit for like a meeting group but because we'd wandered around quite a lot we meted and greeted quite a few people quite quite a lot of
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people already so um I think it will be quite fun at salute yes yeah yeah so um that'll be interesting you will know if
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you've met us whether you whether you've met as intentionally or not because we will we will leave a mark upon you
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oh yeah I will get you to sign the consent form you're just giving stickers I'm really
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sorry here I have a sticker so what someone did say on Discord though right oh and like like uh yeah yeah peachy did
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this thing and then Pat was just kind of there apologetically hunting asking sorry that was nice uh it's not far away
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as well so um yeah that's really cool yeah yeah I uh more more uh meetings and
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stuff like it's great like I can't I'd like always do them I think uh griffcon I'm shooting a wedding but yeah in the
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future hopefully I can do less weddings and uh and more meaty people things as the guys from Sun City
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radio uh had a podcast a minute while back they dropped a message saying oh you come up to today's gaming thing if you get time I think it's in October I
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need to check on my Instagram uh and near the time I'll probably put a poster but it's only in belper which is literally around the corner from where I
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live yeah I think I'll be going to that um so it's gaming so you take your uh corpse Grinders ruin everyone's day they
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obviously all know the rules I I will probably forget yeah and then just like go what am I doing here and they're like that's not how you play the game Peter
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well I'm sorry I'm getting killed team war cry and and necromonda all mixed up into one with a little bit of Star Wars Legion thrown in uh because that's how
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my brain works I'm afraid I wonder if you could like play a game where you're all playing the same game but
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like someone's playing 40K someone's playing Legion someone's playing heresy or whatever and you just
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have raw systems face off against each other oh just to decide which one is the best game uh that's uh Lord of the Rings
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strategy battle game okay there's no argument okay yeah okay if all game systems have that
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rule system I do hear good things about it oh yes um it's easy to pick up it's something I
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think Rick Priestley once said oh it was Jervis saying it's easy to learn hard to master and it's very true because it's a very
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simple rule system but there's loads of extra stuff I'd say war cries quite close as well I've always been a big fan
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of how simple yeah it is to pick up and play but Lord Wings will always have a
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strong following from the peach and they used it for a lot of uh warham historical
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stuff as well on the old west um we me and Duncan made our own
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set of rules for American Civil Wars we painted some American Civil War stuff up and we did the Battle of uh little round
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top where I had Confederacy had Union and we just basically got men of Gondor and Orcs and stuff like that and just
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changed the stats of this is not an orc this is a militia yeah this is not like
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a Rohan this is like a normal yeah Soldier and then like Gondor was a bit more like a veteran and stuff like that
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so we had different stats for different levels of ability yeah and we did the
1:00:09
same for any products we uh I I got Duncan I'd say he got Duncan into the
1:00:15
parks he always wanted to do nipponics and I got him a box of french Perry French and I got a box of some British and I got boromir's head and stuck on a
1:00:23
Rifleman and made sharp and we played a couple of small skirmish games just using Lord of the Rings as a
1:00:29
rule system oh yeah which worked really well so it's interesting you just use I think it was either
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yes it was long bows or bows for muskets but when you wanted rifles that's when
1:00:40
you use the urukai crossbow because it's a bit longer and it had a bit more punch to it yeah so we'd find like we just
1:00:47
decided amongst ourselves like what rules we'd use here what rules we'd use there um and it was like very generic human
1:00:53
stats across all the Lord of the Rings factions the humans have very similar stats so I was like that's the stats for
1:00:59
these guys and if it was human Cavalry they'd have these stats if you had like a French creasier on Horseback or a
1:01:05
British osr or something like that you just use well you've you your French guy's got a big armor breastplate on so
1:01:12
he's gonna have a bit of a high defense this guy's not got any so he's not gonna have a high defense so you could easily look at some of the stat lines and lord
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of rings and goes that's karasia that's a hussar that's a green or whatever interesting so you could easily like
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Drop things in that's the great thing about I think all the rule systems are out there you can always mix and match I went to see Dave Andrews play a game
1:01:32
with him I love playing the games where he had a big black powder again going on in the podonix chose to be the French for once I
1:01:38
thought I'll play as the I play as the French you know I get on with those they've got some very nice stuff I had a lot more troops I had to occupy two
1:01:45
little Crossroads or Road Junctions yeah just doing quite well Dave was really struggling no one's ever played black
1:01:50
powder no I never have so right explain it to me like I'm five so black powder is you have a load of soldiers they're
1:01:57
broken into uh groups known as brigades yeah and that could have like four units in it it could have three units it could
1:02:03
be one full of Cavalry yeah so you have so many of these brigades yeah Battlefield and they all have leaders
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the only thing I know about black powder is The Charge of the Light Brigade which is the uh Iron Maiden song Trooper oh
1:02:15
well that you can do the uh Crimea stuff yeah yeah yeah
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uh so you There Are Rules involved which rolling to hit dice every unit has like
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wounds and abilities to hit and yeah they get better depending if they're in
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line they shoot better if they're in big lines they are better in combat if they're in big attack columns they're
1:02:39
not very good at shooting or fighting if they're in a March column so if they're all talking in a big long line but it's
1:02:45
good for moving fast uh so you have to like in a nutshell what I really like about the game is you'll have a brigade now
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you can do it orders to individual regimen so you can do a brigade order and I I like duplicate orders so I love
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like a brigade of infantry and I'll be like I want my infinite this is what you have to do yeah save some trees over
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there and there's a fence you'll be like I want and they're all in March column at this point I want my
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my Brigade to form into attack column so that's order number one yeah then I want them to march as far as they possibly
1:03:15
can to get to that fence you're like okay so they need to form into attack on them and then probably
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two moves to get to there the most you ever do is three actions okay you roll two dice and the idea is to get below
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your officer or your commander Brigade Commander's leadership depending on how below you get depends how many orders
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you can get off so if I get like let's say it's an eight and I get a seven I can only do one action which is
1:03:39
to form into attack column oh right if I get six I get to do two actions so I can form into attack column and then move if
1:03:46
I get a five I can do three actions that's the most you can do so I can form into attack column move and then move to
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that fence sometimes you get something called a blunder if you get double six they ignore you and do their own thing and
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you have to consult a chart and it could be go back the way you came which is off the table which happened or it could
1:04:03
just be off to the side or they just charge something random in front of them oh wow but the thing is you have to be fairly specific but also quite uh I'd
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say British officer when you're doing it okay chaps all I like you to do is four blind and slowly March towards the enemy
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when you get to the fence open fire with everything you've got uh and then you roll your die see what you get you're
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like oh no they just move yeah and now the Cavalry you're like on the side and
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they're gonna get charged and minced up and it's got a long story short this game with Dave his guys at the back were
1:04:35
just farting about they weren't they had were they were ignoring everything Dave asked them to do so do his command roles
1:04:41
you know go off and do their own thing or they just weren't paying attention they'll be naughty yeah they'll be naughty and I was getting towards these
1:04:47
Crossroads and I was going to win the game and then my guy started being naughty and Dave's guys started paying
1:04:52
attention to what was going off and then he won so cut long story short it was looking good for me I had lots of troops went
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across I had to do a lot of walking and Dave was just like oh this is going terrible ice is going awkward oh my God
1:05:04
I can't believe it and then he drank one bottle of San Miguel and then before you know it his men were like oh you want us
1:05:10
to go over there and shoot the French got yeah why don't you just say that Dave said then they did it uh uh it was
1:05:15
great it was like he's got such an amazing gaming room so Dave's got a huge room he's got massive old billiard table
1:05:21
that he salvaged from somewhere and he's put like his own wooden top on it yeah he's got he used his towel for his uh so
1:05:28
he gets like wooden squares and he puts like towels over it and then sprays them green and paints some green and it looks
1:05:34
like grass and toughs and stuff like that it's very nice oh that's interesting and he puts like roads on and stuff like that
1:05:39
um but a couple of features I really like is he has loads of like paraphernalia like military
1:05:44
paraphernalia like helmets and stuff yeah but his curtain rails are bills like halberds uh so like a pole with
1:05:52
like a halberd head on it and he's got like a big chair of a French flag on it uh so I was just like
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I just love going to Dave's now to play war games yeah that is quite cool if you imagine top tier wargaming room Dave's
1:06:06
made it great and I have photos on my phone because I took some photos I might have to post
1:06:11
them again this is what the best gaming looks like yeah or maybe like maybe not our first office space uh when we
1:06:18
hopefully get one but like you know the second one when we when we outgrow the well we would get our consultant which
1:06:24
is the Andrews to come over and go Dave if you were to turn this space into an amazing game room what would that look like it'd be like wow you do it yourself
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can't you because you're a hobby so I damn it you're right I I'm gonna have him around my house to
1:06:34
play um I think he said he wants to play necomunder I think uh he won't mind trying to Legion he's not a big I'd say
1:06:40
big fan he likes stuff because yeah we used to do like 40K and whatever but you never really got into like uh Star Wars
1:06:47
but I said you know did you ever fancy playing Star Wars Legion because I'm getting to the point I was originally going to get to which is what I really like about Dave is he used to make his
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own rule systems but what he does now is he looks in rule systems and tweaks them oh to to work for him uh and this is
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like with like me and Duncan doing like yeah American Civil War in the pogonics with uh strategy battle game yeah so
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Dave's very good at that uh he made a really good game years ago and I played it it was like me done a couple of others and he it was a Vietnam game he
1:07:14
made and you you start off with victory points so you like have like 100 victory
1:07:19
points and the idea is you try to spend as little of those as possible yeah and at the end of the game there's like a a
1:07:25
bunch of thresholds to see how well you've done so if you've not spent any years like a major victory if you spent
1:07:30
so much it's like a minor Victory you spent this amount as a draw a loss a
1:07:35
devastating defeat or whatever so depending on which of these victory points you use up in the game yeah that
1:07:41
could be air strikes that could be getting Huey's to come in to pick your man up and move you across the battlefield to go elsewhere but you have
1:07:46
to find these weapon caches um and it was such a fun game and there was a television crew just operating
1:07:53
around and they'd randomly move and unfortunately we thought as a weapon cache in this Village so one of the guys
1:07:59
Napalm The Village but there was a weapon cash in the village but there was a news crew who filmed it we were like we're doing
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boom oh exhaust I was just gonna say oh so you didn't
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kill the news crew but then I was like no no that's equally not as good because the news crew I warned you napalm in the
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village a village of Innocence because we thought that it was uh it was a weapons cash there and there were bad is
1:08:28
but it panned out that now we got the wrong Village because someone wasn't paying attention to the brief
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uh and it was just such a simple rule design which is like and oh yeah I was
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Vietnam and it's quite topical with some folks I made and still but yeah um it is
1:08:43
a toy soldier game it was you know not meant to offend or upset anyone but um it was a really interesting rule
1:08:50
system mechanic that you you start off with victory points and you spend them to do air strikes or pickups or yeah
1:08:57
Medical Aid to come in and pick up your troops and take them away yeah so depending on how often you needed these things so if you dropped like your
1:09:05
your US Marines on a hill yeah with a human the Huey flies off and you find
1:09:10
out you're miles away from any action or any kind of like use you have to then get that hero to come along to pick you
1:09:16
back up and drop you somewhere else and that might end up being of no use so you're constantly using these resource points right okay
1:09:22
um which end up being your victory points um yeah to move around the battlefield and I just thought it was a really cool mechanic of a game that you start off
1:09:28
with victory points and you use them up and depend on how much you've used is depending on how well you've done the game uh simple mechanic but really
1:09:36
really good fun uh Dave's very clever at making rules he's done I've done since there's a game system he's not done
1:09:41
or played because you look at his room he's got everything that's historical yeah even like things like gangsters he's got like a load of like you know
1:09:47
1930s 20s prohibition sort of gangsters yeah and vehicles and stuff Wild West
1:09:52
buildings yeah it's like I don't know how he does it and he made a really good point um
1:09:58
um so we'll chat and we'll play him and he was like oh don't look at him too closely you know they're not that well
1:10:03
painted like Dave they look amazing you and it's the regiments you're going with yeah and he base coats and he used to do
1:10:09
this when we're in the studio base coats most of his models washes them and that's rarely it because he watches them
1:10:15
quite it's like a thin wash so it just goes into recess yeah yeah and then he just puts a bit of effort into the face and that's it and then the bass and
1:10:21
you've got these nice Flags you've got this like unit of like 30 figures yeah and they look amazing yeah
1:10:27
um and he's like you know years ago I used to put a bit more effort into my paint jobs and he was talking to one of his friends who used to do the same used
1:10:32
to be really good painter he used to put a lot of effort in because Dave used to work um in what was the heavy metal team
1:10:38
really early years because every matter was painting he wasn't just like high-end painting was painting for
1:10:43
workshops yeah um and he he's he's even got like golden demons not on his uh ice oh wow so he's
1:10:50
you know he knows what he's doing cracking um but he was like saying that and this is where I'm at and I'm sure a
1:10:57
fair few of our viewers when you're younger when you're in like your teens and your 20s and your 30s you've got all the time in the world so you put a lot
1:11:03
of effort into your paint jobs when you get to like your 40s and your 50s you suddenly realize there's a lot of things
1:11:08
I want to paint there's gonna be I've got a time limit on my eyesight yeah yeah potentially on
1:11:15
my life because I don't know when I'm gonna pop the cogs um so his his friend now is just like he
1:11:20
does really Bare Bones painting where it's like a couple of Base coats all over dry brush yeah base them yeah still
1:11:26
look amazing yeah and he was he was saying that and I think it's a really nice point that Dave made this guy
1:11:32
brought his stuff I can't remember what the game they were playing with it was historical um like Civil War or um in
1:11:37
the polonics but this guy brought his army and he was like I'm really sorry Dave they're not that well painted and Dave was like are you happy with them he
1:11:43
was like oh yeah I love him he's like then why why are you apologizing yeah he was like oh because they're not as good
1:11:49
as like it doesn't matter you're happy with them that's all that matters if you're happy with them and you're enjoying playing with them and then you're getting all the benefit from it
1:11:55
why why would you care what I think why would you care what anyone else thinks because they what yeah you've done what
1:12:01
you're intending to be so don't judge your your painted by my standards because
1:12:06
I've been in it for years and yeah these are probably like 20 years old these paint jobs when I had time
1:12:14
um but yeah it's a good sort of philosophy really is like don't don't feel that when you've painted because
1:12:19
others with with Sam when he came into play he base coated his um intercessors so they're all blue got all the gold in
1:12:26
the right places yeah you've got his guns done he was like oh you know ultramarine I know did you enjoy murdering them I I murdered two uh only
1:12:34
two out of the five that's quite hard resting on your laurels yeah yeah well it's all the kill team kill team teams
1:12:40
are like 10 million yes yeah so what was interesting at first this is the rule I didn't
1:12:45
I didn't observe I know you get group activation uh so on your stats it'll say
1:12:50
G uh GA and it'll say like once and most guys like his incess will have ga1 yeah I'm like okay so I mean when you
1:12:56
activate one of the intercessors you just activate the one I didn't realize this at first but on my
1:13:02
stats for the blooded the normal troops have group activation too so when you activate a blooded you have to activate
1:13:07
another bloated of the same type so if I've got guys with Las guns oh right you can do two of them so what it does it
1:13:13
does it means that when you've got guys with like five troops yeah you're not getting like
1:13:24
so although you might get two guys doing more stuff in one turn yeah it means
1:13:30
it's more tactical still for him to be able to like react to a lot of your your sex yeah uh but yeah his paint jobs were
1:13:36
like uh neat and he was like oh they're not as good as I was like I don't care you you know like literally playing
1:13:41
games having fun channeling the Dave Andrews right now I was like are you happy with them Sam and he was like yeah I was like
1:13:46
then why don't worry about it yeah yeah I was paid professionally to paint to
1:13:52
this level so yes yeah like my uh cops Grinders um I'm I'm happy with the paint job that
1:13:57
I've put on yeah and I'm I think it's amazing and I'm like yeah it could probably be better uh but
1:14:04
like they do the job yeah I got to play the game My My Boy Charlie he is still
1:14:09
playing with some of his soldiers because he's got a load of old Daddy's test models and stuff and he had like a couple of intercessors you know the push
1:14:15
hit ones yeah uh and he was painting one uh there's some photos on the um Instagram where you seem like painting
1:14:21
it and stuff and he put a bit of gold on put a bit of red put a bit of like silver and some other colors and I was
1:14:28
like what are you gonna call him and he just randomly just goes I'm gonna call him the fighting mirror I was like that's a cool name for a chapter I like
1:14:34
that uh and we're playing the other day and I was just like spraying more Chrome yes rainbow car yeah and uh he was
1:14:41
because he'd see me playing this game against Sam kill team he was like oh can I play oh can you teach me how to play
1:14:46
in that game when I'm older I was like of course I can teach you I said would you like me to teach you how to do some painters like no Daddy I'm better at
1:14:51
painting than you I know how to paint I've got that and I was like are you happy with your opinion he was like yes
1:14:57
I was like cool [Laughter]
1:15:05
I can't remember the specific name of it um I might have talked about it before but I can't remember but there's a
1:15:11
there's a like an S curve um where it's kind of like you you start
1:15:16
something so I say miniature painting and and you learn a little bit and
1:15:21
you're like oh so I have to thin my paints uh and I'm going to put this on here and I'm going to put shade there
1:15:27
like I understand what glaze is that kind of thing you're like yeah cool this is good
1:15:33
um and and you kind of but you know a fraction yes but yeah you think you know
1:15:38
way more yeah and then as you learn more then you're like oh actually I know subtle yeah yeah and and then yeah so
1:15:46
it's quite interesting that he's he's on that curve yeah but he also is a little kid yeah I don't know it's fine so uh so
1:15:51
yeah yeah he's like yep no painting completed it mate interesting I found that with like historicals uh where I'd
1:15:58
be reading Osprey book learning how like the British army works and how it works and accomplish you get flank company
1:16:03
Center companies because victrix used to do a box which was flank companies and Center Center companies I had no idea what that meant I thought what's the
1:16:09
flank coming what's the center company gone Osprey book it's like all right there's 10 companies in the regiment two
1:16:15
of them are flank one on the Left Flank one on the right flank yeah the other eight are Center companies and they have like these what they're called I think
1:16:21
Crow's nests so like the flank companies have these weird sort of like and like croissants on the side and
1:16:28
they're like white piping with red in the middle and uh the uh grenadiers are one flank company and they have like
1:16:34
white plumes okay there's the light infantry uh or the light company which
1:16:39
have uh these swallow nests swallow nests and they have green plumes and what they do is when they're in line and
1:16:45
the French or Impressions or whatever are coming to attack them uh they format make a skimmage screen so that that's
1:16:52
the light infrared job okay make a skimmer screen and then like pick off their skirmishes and stuff yeah whereas
1:16:57
if I remember rightly the uh grenadiers former on the back protect the color party uh so where the colors are so the
1:17:04
colors are important you don't lose your flags because one's been touched by the king you've got your regimental flag you've got your King's colors so the
1:17:11
grenadiers tend to be the toughest the biggest the strongest so they tend to be like more like if there's a dirty job that needs dimming like charging a gate
1:17:18
or whatever or mostly protect the the colors and the rest the the other eight companies are there as just to keep
1:17:24
firing of the towards them and keep doing it keep doing it keep doing it so I didn't know that got this Ospreys book started
1:17:31
teaching me I was like okay so we're getting a bit more knowledge then you start getting like oh but that is just like one fraction of like historicals
1:17:39
there's all like the the artillery there's all like the uh the you know the Cavalry you know all different colors
1:17:45
and that's just that faction then there's the French and there's they have their own ways of doing their companies you have like the uh austrians out of
1:17:52
their own ways of doing their companies and stuff like so there's a whole plethora of things to learn but one of the things I used to find really funny
1:17:58
was someone did an article years ago which you'd always get your your arm armchair General they'd be like oh I
1:18:03
think you're finally have done that wrong and all you know that's not how you would paint a British line company in the 18 uh 14. that's uh that's not
1:18:10
the belgic uh Shaco that's a normal stovepipe Shaco so this is Waterloo you'll be on the belgic well actually
1:18:16
mate if you actually read the book they didn't always get the uh the the gear so it doesn't really matter and I don't
1:18:22
really care but yeah what I remember someone did article he put on like uh some social
1:18:27
media at the time and just went get going through these people that would constantly like correct you and stuff yeah just remember yeah these guys are
1:18:34
only one Osprey book ahead of you okay so they weren't there no they were
1:18:41
there during the Waterloo they weren't there during the peninsula War all they've done is they've read one or two more books than you so just ignore them
1:18:47
because you once you've got those books you'll start to learn that as well also don't be that guy yeah fair enough uh
1:18:54
but it's always quite funny when um we used to go to events and like Dave will be doing some stuff like crime here and
1:19:00
I'll be like moving a cannon and playing then you get the guy going that's not how cannons work I think you'll find you'll be like oh I don't really care
1:19:05
we're all having fun we have playing it doesn't really matter it's not real that's the thing I mean some people do
1:19:12
it for that reason they want to get so much of the minutia in there yes and there's real systems out there that's great that they can oh yeah absolutely I
1:19:18
mean my dad had a set called uh Shaco which is a set of rules I've still got it at home and that is mad the detail in
1:19:25
there that's why I like black powder really simple you got Rifleman this is the rules that's what they need to roll on a dice uh have you guys been hit yeah
1:19:32
they're dead take them off yeah I like that nice yeah so you tell me all of
1:19:37
that and now I'm like one of the flags to touch by the king yeah so you get the king's colors which is the big Union
1:19:43
Flag okay uh and then you get the regimental colors which tends to be a color so let's say we go with sharp we
1:19:49
do the South Essex which didn't exist so if anyone's a really big neonic fan they'll be like that's not a real regiment but it isn't sharp so they'd
1:19:56
have like yellow you get quite a few you get like the 88th comic ranges so they'll have like a yellow flag with
1:20:02
like uh a plaque on it which will have like the regiment number so if it's like the 88 it'll be Roman numerals or the
1:20:08
88th and like a like a heart-shaped kind of I don't know what the design is but
1:20:13
sometimes when you see military guys have like a ward on a plaque it'll be like a weird sort of Shield shape like a
1:20:19
shield a shield I should have said Shield they have a longer Reef around it they might have a crown on the top of it whales it might have like feathers and
1:20:25
stuff so you have this big yellow flag and on it is like this really nice shield with like Roman numerals and it's
1:20:31
like almost uh and then in the top corner you have like the Union flag yeah it's in
1:20:38
like you know British colors in the top corner and then you'd have the king's color which has the same shield in the
1:20:43
middle but the regimental numbers on the Laurel Reef yeah um but this one officially is supposed to been touched by the king so it's the
1:20:49
king's colors almost very precious how long like is it like signing signing copies of books is that he just walks
1:20:55
along he probably just touches it because they come up with the new regiments have been founded oh right okay so it's not not like a very like oh
1:21:01
more of the lads are off to what one two three four I guess it's what if they get captured they have to get a new one made
1:21:07
and he has to touch that and get sent to the regimen yeah quite a big deal so losing your colors was quite a big deal and the same with the French they used
1:21:13
to have the French Eagle which have a golden eagle on the top and that was yeah it's been touched by the Emperor Napoleon so they would do anything to
1:21:19
protect that oh wow they're interesting so very precious of their Flags in those days
1:21:25
and it was we all know what was it no flag no country but when you've got like and this this
1:21:31
is the thing that I really like about napoleonics is um Civil War American Civil War Grays vs
1:21:36
Blues pretty much unless you get someone in the militia yeah um so it can I won't say Bland it looks
1:21:42
pretty when they've got all the flags on them yeah but when you've got like the British Army and they're all red and
1:21:47
they have different colored faces so if you like yellow facings you have a yellow flag you've got green faces you get a green flag if you've got black
1:21:52
face and you get a Black Flag blue tend to be like fuseliers and Royals and culturing guards they get like a red
1:21:58
flag weirdly um but what you what you have is this like plethora of nice uniform troops but
1:22:05
lots of banners it looks very very sexy then you get the French army which has not just French with blue and their
1:22:12
banners but then you have like I don't know bavarians and ruttenbergers and swiss which have red which look like
1:22:18
British which blows my mind she's like but they're in red because I was a kid on that but they're red but they're they're Swiss then you might have like
1:22:24
different French regiments that might still have white instead of blue so you have a lot more color then you get the Cavalry where it just goes mad and
1:22:30
everyone just goes to town so like the British tend to have like more blues for their Cavalry like their dragoons and
1:22:36
then the hosas tend to be everything the French I've got a book at home called uh it's one of the battles uh Jenna I think
1:22:43
it is um and there's like one Regiment of French for SARS and it's like
1:22:48
summer campaign summer dress summer parade
1:22:54
spring campaign spring uh did their parade spring battle dress so
1:23:01
they had like like 16 different uniforms depending what time of year it was and what they were doing and I was like no
1:23:07
wonder the offices were poor it's like okay guys it's springtime we're going to war it's a battle battle dress okay it's
1:23:16
slightly different color move than the previous one but it's not it
1:23:21
so I mean at least a fashion sense of the French then was high peak yeah yeah
1:23:28
that sounds that's pretty extra like at least you know ultramarines you paint blue yeah what is it gold shoulder trim
1:23:36
first green occasionally fourth company yeah I know my company's just about uh
1:23:42
those are the only two I know Golden Green they're white is first and then they're it's veterans they're veterans
1:23:48
actually yes because there's one of them in the new trailer yes uh you get Terminators uh Stone guard Vanguard
1:23:55
they're one of the first company usually they have white helmets as well then you have second company which have gold or yellow then you have third company which
1:24:01
is red fourth which is green uh black which is fifth and then it gets a bit loosey-goosey because there's orange
1:24:06
purple gray oh right uh and then Scouts don't have a color because no they don't
1:24:13
have a trim yeah fascinating which is I think gray is eighth and then purple and
1:24:19
orange or magenta tend to be like six and seven eight oh there's another
1:24:24
colorful I can't remember I can't remember there's a few but I know the battle company yeah which are the ones
1:24:30
most people tend to to collect and paint but yeah the other ones are reserved completely have a reserve assault Reserve tactical Reserve
1:24:37
um Devastator so if their losses across the other companies then they come from there
1:24:43
um oh yeah we had this discussion recently with the white scars um about how
1:24:48
the most complicated oh God company markings are like the earlier ones yeah
1:24:53
and then the ones that are easier to do are like the reserves I don't know it
1:24:59
was when uh so we picked one Duncan pick one when he was doing like the white Sky Army and there was a guy who did a lot
1:25:05
of the vignette art and you I guess he was just doing it because it looked cool but what could have happened in
1:25:10
hindsight now when we look back is maybe the easy ones you do for the first five because that tends to be the ones that
1:25:16
those people will do because they're the battle companies the first company and then the four battle companies and then
1:25:21
the others tend to be reserved and if you're doing a full chapter then yeah it gets a bit harder but it's like you've
1:25:27
got quarters or like one little dag coming up where it's like something like a million like it looks like Chevrons
1:25:34
but with lightning lightning show yeah chevron's a bad lightning Chevrons Next Level bad
1:25:39
so yeah so some hindsight in there I'll blame Duncan for that
1:25:45
he's not here so he can't he can't I can't argue the point he'll be in the comments going no I didn't yeah you did
1:25:50
oh yeah I'm talking about this thing yeah we got we got sent uh with some nice Swedish stamps on yeah
1:25:57
um very nice they do look really really nice uh from uh some art oh no Sweden my
1:26:03
apologies Sweden did I say oh yes you said Swiss I think he said Swiss yeah so
1:26:09
I was in the Switzerland last year photographing oh yeah I get all of my countries confused I'm tired
1:26:17
um so I thought I'm gonna show you this and then um collapse into a heap with some paracetamol
1:26:23
um oh I don't blame you yeah I need another tea soon yeah uh so this is from
1:26:28
Alex in 15 minutes and he if I believe this is what it is
1:26:36
this thing is a lot so I'm excited about what this is there's a letter as well yeah it's a little fantastic welcome to
1:26:43
the evolution this is artist Juan Gomez Cabello uh our
1:26:48
Direction by first images Alex uh pigment Prince so I believe this is a
1:26:57
um a limited edition print because Alex did a video where he painted a female
1:27:03
Space Marine oh um and because that is seemingly a bit of a hot button topic
1:27:09
um he got some uh comments about it and instead of saying okay I'm not going to
1:27:15
talk about final Space Marines anymore he's like I'm gonna have one designed and I'm gonna sell it
1:27:21
um and you can buy this cool print um oh wow of uh this uh female Space
1:27:28
Marine um at uh from Alex at first few minutes
1:27:33
um so this is what it looks like uh so I think we'll we'll get a frame for this and stick it up in the studio but thank
1:27:39
you very much beautiful Alex was sending it to us I always like looking at how people paint as well I remember when I
1:27:45
they they did an art gallery or exhibition of all the workshops to fit
1:27:50
Nottingham Castle yeah and you could see all like the working out you could see all like the mark maker and stuff you look at it you go oh I understand that I
1:27:56
could do that but then you know you can't do that because you've not got the user experiences yes yeah yeah yeah yeah well this is amazing so she's got like
1:28:02
uh is that dreads looks like dreads yeah there's lots of like uh sort of totems
1:28:08
and uh yeah beads and stuff like that so it was a like an art style um that they used a lot in Black Panther
1:28:14
was it afro futurism or something whatever designs um where it's kind of like
1:28:21
um taking uh like cultural elements of uh like the
1:28:26
continent of Africa as we know it but being like what would that look like sci-fi in sci-fi and stuff like that I
1:28:31
like how they did that with um oh to a certain degree if I remember rightly like Galactica they had like different
1:28:38
nations that are different styles uh I think so I might get mixed with some other sci-fi maybe because I know like
1:28:44
the different like Capricorn and whatever oh there's more oh
1:28:49
this is cool that's really nicely done yeah I need to get back into painting and drawing used to do it loads and then
1:28:56
I've not done it for a long time thank you very much Alex for sending that to me that's very kind yeah oh yeah here we go Eve is of course not a Space Marine a
1:29:04
female Space Marines don't exist a fact I've been vigorously told
1:29:10
and is of course not a Space Marine because that's someone else's IP yes
1:29:16
um she's a space Warrior actually Space Marine you can't copyright so if you said Adept as a startise then yes you're
1:29:23
right yeah but Spaceman you you know you can you can be whatever you want oh here we go so this is uh a uh propaganda
1:29:29
poster Evolution oh cool and uh and again if you're listening to this on
1:29:35
Spotify sorry sorry and then this is the first ever sketch of Eve she looks terrifying she would
1:29:43
like just melt your face without plasma yeah it's like the barrel down and the plasma it's just gonna melt your face I
1:29:49
don't think I would care what gender someone was when I was being like plasma to death by the way no no no no uh yeah
1:29:57
absolutely not I don't think it really matters if you're all uh in spacesuits with helmets on lasers at each other so
1:30:04
if you wanted uh one of these uh we'll put the link in the description uh but you can go to 52 minutes just.com slash
1:30:11
store and thanks again Alex for uh that's very beautiful like the little uh
1:30:16
propaganda poster yeah that is cool yeah yeah uh do you want to draw it to an end then so you can get some paracetamol run
1:30:22
down your throat I think I do I think yeah well I'm a voice program me well we've had a big challenge before
1:30:29
we go massive congratulations to Suggs uh we're we're gonna be watching you with interest uh liking all your uh your
1:30:36
videos and uh hopefully you'd want to come on the channel because uh I miss talking to Louise on live and we did
1:30:44
talk before we we both parted about doing like some collabs of like streaming and stuff like that so yeah
1:30:50
re-introducing Peach's peachy Luigi Creature Feature do you think that
1:30:55
because you came up with that whilst you're at workshop and used it on Workshop that they like you'd have to
1:31:02
rename it well we maybe I don't know I don't think they care for it because they told them to stop doing it because
1:31:08
it wasn't even though we we would get like the chat with three animals and
1:31:13
then I combine them into an age of Sigma one of the Mortal realm beasts oh so I
1:31:18
didn't sort of try to tighten with uh Warhammer but it doesn't really matter
1:31:24
hmm I wait for a seasoned desist I'll carry on to the top stop that's a forgiveness not permission yeah yeah I'm
1:31:31
like that but we really don't care because I've drawn made up animals from three animals that
1:31:37
exist no one can copyright the animals that exist and the names of makeup so uh yeah that's not gonna that's not gonna
1:31:43
bother me at all so yes good luck Louise hope you enjoyed the uh the the the random chats that me and Pat are today
1:31:50
uh we'll be back with the next one next week with Jeff involved of course uh because he'd be not at the shop doing
1:31:56
haircuts yeah I'd imagine we have our first first returning guest next week we
1:32:02
do oh yes we do should we name may as well just in case you might not make it oh oh oh that's not even anyway yeah Bob
1:32:10
Bob's back Bob noses yeah he's back again I can't wait we're going to talk more about space means and more about I
1:32:16
think this time around about is 3D uh projects yes because we touched a bit on the end but yeah yeah as much because I
1:32:23
want to delve deep into that but I asked him if he could bring because he mentioned them uh I think you might mention them off camera or on camera I
1:32:29
can't remember because I haven't watched the chat show in a while um he found some like green stuffed
1:32:34
Space Marines in his shed that have never been uh like molded around yeah
1:32:40
yeah so which is really really cool that's like miniature history right here yeah
1:32:46
there'll be some models as well linked to that chat as well if I remember rightly uh yeah there was there were
1:32:52
some free models linked to the last Bob chat yeah yeah um oh apologies yeah but uh yeah we'll
1:32:59
have a lovely chat with Bob again yeah which will be awesome as always don't forget to hit the like And subscribe uh and as as always thank you so much to
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our patrons for supporting us yeah if you want to be a patreon do a check out our patreon and you can also have your
1:33:11
name going up on the title screen which is probably happening right now because yeah I'm gonna talk it I'm gonna put it
1:33:16
over my face yeah actually it's kind of like in the last 20 30 seconds yeah and then then we'll go oh look there's Darcy oh yeah no wait wait I'm gonna time it
1:33:24
she's actually she's at the top oh well because I have to time it after
1:33:29
time it really well so it's like if I say there she is there then we have to finish yeah and then it's game over so
1:33:35
thank you very much thanks for watching uh apologies that I've just been ill and sad yes
1:33:40
um and oh there's Darcy uh bye oh she's gone

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