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In this his episode we speak to Rob, The Honest Wargamer. We chat to Rob about Slapchop, tourements, live streaming, and much more!
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hi I'm peachy hello I'm Patrick and we have a guest today and um
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yeah if you'll allow me um to introduce you in a really over-the-top dramatized pretentious way
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um I've got got a little something planned so imagine dear viewers you are a very naive young
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boy and sadly your parents are divorced you've never met your dad
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um and in this family it's quite strict it's very prestigious or you let you you know you believe that because you're
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told that um and then one day out the blue you know you nobody ever talks about you Dad
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and you're like don't think about him don't know who he is and then one day your mum comes along and says if you've
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ever seen with your dad that will not benefit your career oh no your your
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family um and it will it will affect your standing
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in the family um and you're like oh who is my dad oh it's this guy it's Rob the only small
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camera is quite cool it's cool I actually don't know my dad so this is a great intro
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this is great I don't know that reference but exciting yeah thanks for
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having me I super appreciate it so thanks for coming along it's been a long time coming uh always want to chat to
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you always always like a good chin waggle with a Rob symes uh honest wargamer if you didn't know buy that
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face oh yeah three years the gaming content creator who makes the best painting videos
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apparently so yeah better than ours what's that about the saddest moment in my life I was in the Netherlands with my
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friend Owen uh we were covering a team tournament four tables of Warhammer all of them mixed into this uh into our main
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desk with Graphics that pop up and great audio and we can draw on the screen and everything and we've flown over to the
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Netherlands and my friend Owen sits down and he looks at it all and he goes wow you've done a lot this time while I have
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and he goes crazy people just know you for painting and I'm like heartbreaking I didn't recover I sometimes still go to
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bed just thinking that one line yeah even now oh it just haunts you to
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thing because uh you did it I think it was you did it you did it did it you did
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it so I watched um victim blaming you brought this on yourself yeah this is your fault yeah so you gave a name to a
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thing that so I didn't even give a name to the thing so like I'm sure we'll get into it but I stream a lot yeah uh
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stream to lock during lockdown um and me and my chat uh which I consider to be my community like you
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guys I know I've got a patreon I'm sure yeah yeah that's like a big part of your community but for me it's the chat yeah and anyone can walk into that at any
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time and I have the ability to go on a tangent quite comfortably here we are yeah and uh and
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um and we were just talking about it I talked about the fact I've learned how to paint in this particular way yeah and
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then all of a sudden we just decided to call it the slap shot because we become obsessed with the Slap Chop paint Slap
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Shop uh infomercial because we were watching it on stream one day because it's a bit like how shuriken cannons
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work for Eldar you know how they slice off a bit they fire it like a disc it's a bit like a slap job yeah so we were
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talking about that and then we were talking about the paint and then that's where it came from so it wasn't even me and it was stolen from an infomercial on
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purpose yeah um so yes so there was no clever naming but what you've done I mean it's
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something I've been doing for Years anyway which is I like I've done with like a few paintings guides where I would just spray color give it a bit of
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an overbrush then use like contrast or washes and then a lot of thin down paints and it kind of highlights it for you and then you can do you can go
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wherever you want with it but describing that is a nightmare but when you suddenly like have like a thing with a
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clicky name and just go to Snapchat because where was non-metallic Mount before it became NMM where was zenful
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highlights before it became Jennifer highlights yeah so regardless of whether out there there's people going to be going slapped up I hate it it's an army
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painted it's been around for hundreds of years maybe lights Generations who cares explain that to someone in like a second
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yes you can't say Snapchat people like oh yeah what do you mean well it's actually interesting one of the one of the first things we did when I set up
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the honest war game is we went back through like a lot of the terminology people use for gaming so in fact actually just a video script I'm writing
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today is about like list archetypes and unit roles yeah there's a lot of like stupid words that get used like cheesy
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and beardy and like a bunch of other stuff and a lot of it a lot of it are words that people have picked up to
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really like talk about a feeling yeah versus something that's actually like informative um and obviously you guys obviously make
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tutorials like information is important uh but also the words that we use are vital and important as well again that
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wasn't really the point of the video the point of the video was and I it's it's an ironic juvenalian slaptop like sorry
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like painting tutorials yeah like everything in it is dumb like I'm like brushing on my hand and I'm like I get
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the words wrong on purpose yeah yeah because you go you can be a massive turkey don't you or something like that yeah yeah also if someone showed me I
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didn't even know like it's not like I read it someone just shut my my partner showed me how to do it yeah I was like oh because I hate painting yeah so she's
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like do this you're an idiot because I I um knowing that you were coming on today I I re-watched the video and and picked
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up on like I remember watching it previously going that's a great video uh monks in Turkey brilliant
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um obviously not serious um but then you mispronouncing the paint names and all that sort of stuff it's
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it's just cracked me up it was such a great I had a great time yeah good and you like sipping the coffee and the
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camera just Zooms in so like obviously close it's one of the videos I worked hard
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it's not the hardest that's not true at all but like it it was it was meant to be like reference Laden yeah which I
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think white resonated but I learned a lot from that actually as a video because for people who are like really
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really good painters or even if you're just like a paint Enthusiast you quite clearly know that that's something that
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already existed or like maybe whatever but yeah I don't know about you I'm fairly resistant to learning how to
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paint yeah they just obviously neither of you are but like like some people are very resistant to learn how to gain yeah
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yeah and I kind of like butt my head against this quite a lot you know they're like they're like I'm more of a casual player I'm like okay cool you you
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don't know the rules and they're like no I enjoy it I'm like I also enjoy it but I know what the rules are like you know
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there's this kind of like odd um uh like kind of divorcing of like being able to have fun but also
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understand it well yeah I'm sure you can paint very well and enjoy it yeah yeah cool but if I just said I was a casual
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painter and it was just atrocious yeah you'd be like well you don't really know what you're doing
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um and so I learned a lot from that video because it made me take a step back and say to myself you probably you
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know I mean I was gonna say like there's like the angel around us of painting but he did a slouch of it I didn't even know
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what to say it was like one Adele go Angel go rounders they're all like let's do some slaps I mean this is what what
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phase of the slapshot Cinematic Universe are we in now oh we're in we're currently in the Spanish phase
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because this is I think this is expansion four which is with every new and also the problem is is every new
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speed pain yes contrast will always propagate it further yeah and I don't
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want that to be true like I don't know what I mean do you think it's like you know you you've made this thing
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it was yours until you hit live and then it's just out there in the wild and it
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has to fend for itself and everybody like one thing I sort of think was because you
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packaged this video so incredibly well you one thing you'll notice is Pat loves
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how videos are packaged oh me and Pat editing all day no problem no problem
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all day if you want to just go to the cinema Pat and just throw popcorn at the screen at every bad edit yeah I mean I I
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just like throw loads at my own videos um is is I think what you managed to do
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with that video was package something so well that I think you know part of the
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reason of our success is um well I mean you know since since peachy joined peachy success he makes
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approachable painting videos um where we're like hey you know you might have a really demanding job and a
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family and relationships and a social life and it's like well I want to have a game next weekend and I've got this
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amount of time I can't do every metal painting for every single miniature here's how you can get stuff done pretty
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quick yeah um whereas I think a lot of you your YouTubers still paint one model per
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video which will be really really good and almost just sort of like you like oh well I watch the videos because I enjoy
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them but I could never do that I watched Slap Shop and I'm like I think anyone could watch Slap Shop and
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be like yeah I could do that yeah and it was so successful deservedly so yeah and
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unintentionally so good
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and then I I think from like the the opinion that I formed of it is with it
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all going a bit mental and people going like oh it's just like like somebody commented in one of our videos it's like
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I like this video because you don't say Slap Shop once um it's because like you didn't blow it
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out of proportion you made a great video I think a lot of the other YouTubers that were like hey that's getting loads
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of views I want my chunk of that yeah because it was trending I think I think
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like I think like as great as ourselves as a group like everyone always just like informs from each other and I think
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and I think that's fair like I don't think anyone blew it out of proportion I think it does you think it just resonated yeah that's kind of the point
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like when I got shown how to do it like I just like went in got all of my other paints yeah like these go in the bin now
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I was like why didn't someone show me how to do this eight years ago yeah like that like it resonated with me and
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therefore it resonated with people yeah and like so I I don't necessarily think anyone's to blame or even like to praise
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and the bit I was trying to get to was that I had to learn
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like because then when I looked at gaming because I looked at all the responses and the criticisms I think
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it's always super super healthy to look at criticism yeah yeah I looked at the criticisms and I took on board what I thought was valid and the bit that I
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thought was valid I was like you know what you're probably an egotist about like a gaming like it was really
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valuable for me not because it was successful not because more people got to know me as a Creator yeah is because it got to teach me something as a
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Creator and that is there are lots of people who are busy at work yeah like I know you've just
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started doing necrom under that we'd like I do like a neckarunder kind of like show with my like the chat like once a week and every week we're like
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who plays this it's a thousand pages long of the most crunchy outdated
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difficult to find rules available
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right and I'm like why does this exist yeah whereas if you play things like Legion
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yeah which I know you play mCP stuff like that like they make they understand more the the the the the the the
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barriers for people to play games yeah and I think for a long time as especially doing it professionally I was
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like well you haven't got time to read 12 40K codexes come on yeah but like
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that's the thing it taught me it taught me to step back for myself yeah and say you know what a lot of people need stuff
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that's simpler and easier to achieve yeah and it's just as worthwhile yeah because when I paint a mini like
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I see some people's Minis and I'm like that is beautiful and then I carry on just dry brush in my ugly ass Minnie and
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I'm the happiest Little Soldier you can find I mean from my point of view it is like Marmite no matter what you do out
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there someone's gonna dislike for whatever and we found this with with some of the videos that we've done like our shorts like some of our um uh long
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form videos we take short elements of it okay and the shorts are quite fast-paced
12:02
part of that video so like a breacher the breacher is a really interesting one because the long form video makes sense
12:08
because it's going through like that section of the internet box set but when it's on its own out there on Tick Tock
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and YouTube shorts and it's just showing you applying bar red quite messily onto
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a white undercoat then a bit of blue quite massively onto a white undercoat and then a bit of black but if you have
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a bit of chance to you know not just give it a minute and wait it all ties very nice and neatly at the end yes
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because there's all that little bit of timing at the end but there's a lot of short retention spans out there just go oh utter rubbish Auto rubbish how did
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you even get a job no yeah you need to check yourself picture it was a rubbish
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saw myself with a biscuit but yeah so I mean you know we there was a lot of criticism coming towards wasn't there
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and it was like yeah you're not very good at painting you're a bit rubbish and like you say you you look at those and you take you see some validations in
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it like why is it rubbish and this person explains it's like well actually yeah they've not got the idea of it they're watching it from a short point
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of view how do we pitch our shorts uh yes yes so yeah I think I think reading
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criticisms is um like the audio when we first started this podcast wasn't amazing uh and enough when enough people
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say something right I need to think about this and then we have these microphones and then these like boom
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arms and so on and so forth It's like a continual yeah always improving it's iterative like it needs to be I was
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watching a video earlier on about like creativity and your creativity needs to be iterative like you don't just paint the first time like now this is how I
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paint yeah and like you guys are creators like that's the purpose of what we do is to is to iterate and and try
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and move on yeah and and work out what you've done and what you want to do I like it's one of the things I enjoy most like when I laugh Workshop I was like I
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want to do this and then weirdly five years later I've just this year started to do that stuff again but over those
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five years I've iterated a lot I've done a lot of different things um and like that's a that's something we
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have to do like because it's also really healthy to do that yeah yeah like yeah yeah you grow yeah I think it's valuable
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like to you as a person and and being wrong again something early on in the year to myself I was just kind of like
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looking at some workout done I was like this is just bad I think you're just wrong and being wrong is really healthy yeah right because then you can be right
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one day yeah yeah absolutely yeah
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I'm wrong every day I'm married I was um attract someone recently
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darling hello she watches okay I'm dead you can't edit it I could edit it out
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he won't know he won't do you want me to no no because then she'll know something
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as her eye because we're carrying on it's only just be like I enjoyed that chat with Rob but when he just went
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heresy for like five minutes straight I turned off he wasn't Keen yeah
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um yeah oh I was trying to my sister ages ago um about how I look back at myself like
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you know when I was a teenager when I was in my 20s and I'm like I just cringe I was such a knob and just oh all these
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decisions and what I thought was right and it's like well you're supposed to do that because yes it shows that your life yeah that you've grown yeah um and doing
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that creatively as well like I want to look back at some of the videos we made in the content that we make and how we present
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it um is like I'd prefer that to be if I look back and I went I was so good back
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then like that means that we've gotten worse yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean if a random segue from that I mean
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if I had a kid 10 years ago 12 years ago I'd have been a crap father utter utter
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crap because I'd just be like sure stop whinging rub some dirt in it you got like my
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grandma would say you know you fall over here you know you'll be like you've got another one be fine that kind of stuff I'd probably like because I was young
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naive not really interested in having kids you just wouldn't I won't be a great father but as you get older you're
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kind of mellow a bit you chill out a bit yeah and it's just like Oh Come here I know you're a good person though like you would have found out maybe you are a
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good person don't let it I don't know he's a great person yeah sure that's
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true a story I can tell uh is I was going through a disciplinary games I don't even know if it was a disciplinary thank you it might have been yeah I
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think it was and uh one of the lovely things peachy did was and didn't work in my department worked side to my department he took me for a walk around
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the um around the lake not Lakes not a lake is it we could caught it very long yeah yeah the canal
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and peachy like out of his time we thought we knew each other well but we were I wouldn't say we were friends
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necessarily like we just knew each other and you just took the time out of your day to like talk to this big tall angry
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man about like things that were upsetting him and I think justly upsetted me but yeah like were upsetting
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me and I've always thought what an incredibly nice person so I've anyone's ever said anything to me but I'm like a nice guy nice guy it's just very nice
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kind of you so I get the opportunity to tell everyone that he's a wonderful person so which is now going to make him feel really bad I feel really awkward
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yeah yeah so there you go so there's my story my boss will be like so that's what you took my old boss not you I
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still I'm still in the Wii mode I can't get rid of oh okay yeah yeah it's 20 years man it's 20 years of just like institutionalization yeah you like that
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you're like the kid that just like legged it across the North yeah
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he's like getting up at six six o'clock ready to like pray to the leader and you're like no no you can just sleep now
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everything's fine I I um I did say I was like um he was
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like you I can't remember what model it was that you were painting and you were like oh it's so much easier if I could
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turn the model upside down to paint the eye and I was like peachy I'm not stopping you turn it upside down
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because you weren't allowed to because they just look rubbish on camera apparently it doesn't according to who
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all the people have never used cameras before or paint models professionally yeah yeah because that's and that's the
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thing like if if you want to offer advice to people you'd be like hey if you're struggling with this turn it
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upside down it's easier like so I guess a nicely segue there um well in my head into water so I mean
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you did a lot of stuff for Life Workshop yeah yes I did um and then obviously you
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went off and became I did leave Rob the honest wargamer I did yeah for reasons we can go into if you want to we don't
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have a mind I don't mind um do you because I certainly feel that when I left the strings have been cut and I was
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able to be more myself and talk more about what I wanted to do and be more honest about how I wanted to show
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painting um obviously you got the word honest in your title do you think that had an
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effect on when you you were constrained to do certain things when you're a workshop that you could I really want to
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say this and I really want to do that but I can't because it might not uh not really because hence the list of disciplinaries
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but I like it to be clear I quit um the uh no I would say no because I
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was a professional yeah like I was I wasn't I was 31 I think when I joined his Workshop I'm not like a child no
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like I understood like I was working for a company and I understood that there were there were lines
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um I sometimes would like would think that those lines were um very Broad and unnecessary and in
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some cases they were not applied to the same people in the set like some people
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could just get away with doing literally anything yeah um and then some people were incredibly scrutinized it really depended on if because really what they
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they're your behavior was used to browbeat you yeah like they were like we don't like you or we want to get rid of
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you or any of those other things your behavior in my experience obviously um your behavior was used to browbeat
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you as opposed to like well he's just like the the good one yeah yeah or the
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some people would act like some people are just active sycophants like like that's I just don't think like you can
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like people and not like people that's fine like but you can be a professional like I cannot like someone and work with
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them yeah that's what that's literally what professionalism means yeah like that's that's super okay like some
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people I don't really like him well that's cool we've got to do this thing together no but that's fine like it doesn't upset me because I'm an adult
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like it seems really simple yeah but like because I'd come from the nightclub industry so I'd worked in nightclubs as
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a natural promoter for or maybe at that point like a decade maybe more and before that had been a dormant uh which a chat are gonna love
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knowing that I brought that up again I'd like to swear right now but I'm not going to but chat I hate you
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and that's like it's simultaneously on like a very childish industry because you've got a lot of young people in it
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but also it's a very professional industry because if you mess up with a nightclub like you go to jail yeah like
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you know like you have to follow fire laws like Licensing Laws you're dealing with like a lot of violence like it's a
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very professional working really drunk people very drunk people so you get to work at Workshop where it's
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in my personal opinion full of children like like in the environment is very childish was like quite a divorcing
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environment for me and I struggled because I was like this is this is very very difficult so when I left
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I didn't really do anything other than just be myself again yeah um because that Workshop I was like it's
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my job to help this company that's what they're paying me to do so I never
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really struggled with it I just struggled with the internal environment yeah like it's really interesting because I remember when I joined the
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studio there was a a couple of folks that kind of like have been there like a few weeks or like joined a few weeks
21:37
after that still quite new there were externals that weren't like hobbyists or anything like that and they they were
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very professional at graphic design or very professional at photography and they had obviously been in bigger Industries and they had questions so
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much and got told to shut up because this is the way it's always been it's like stop
21:55
questioning the status quo this is this is why we all shoot on cyan to White fade this is why we always have this box
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in this top Corner this is why we always and it's like why why and there's also
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like the the exact opposite of the thing we just talked about as being creators which is the iterative process like art
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creativity should intentionally be challenging yeah so you can get to a better place yeah
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um so like it's a weird place a weird time so I know when I left when I left was a really like it was really
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difficult time for me because I'd given up like one of the jobs that I did to go and work at Workshop um and so and I left like fairly quickly
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I spent like three or four months like uh setting up the studio and stuff and then um it was a tough time at the start
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because I was also carrying a lot of baggage because ultimately I really really wanted very much like I'm sure you did I really wanted to just make
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stuff about Warhammer and make videos because two things I like doing making videos yeah and Warhammer yeah yeah and
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so like it was really easy to like you want to be an Editor against Russia I'm like yeah seems easy it seems like that's an okay job yeah yeah yeah
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um so that was a real struggle for me so when I left um that was a challenging time and I carried a lot of like uh personal
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baggage with me I think because I found it very unfair yeah like I found it really unfair the environment the way
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people acted and behaved I thought that that was really negative and that's probably just true and also because I'd
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worked myself before yeah so it's just weird going to an environment where you had little power yeah I was the same
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I've been self-employed with my own videography business uh shooting weddings as I'm sure some of our listers
23:24
already know uh that all disappeared during covid so I worked at Sainsbury's for a little bit and then got the job at
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Games Workshop yeah and you see I I I I can put my finger on what you refer to
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like childish behaviors and from my experience there's a lot of the ones I as a professional I'd work with and work
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well with but wouldn't probably go out and drink with and socialize with that their only job had been Games
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Workshop since the day they left school or uni uh whereas I'd been in other crappy jobs like working on the trout
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farm for summer jobs for a bit yeah sure working in retail or doing this job doing that job cleaning blooming hotel
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rooms with my mum and getting like poo all on your hand because the tower's been used to wipe someone's bum as opposed to tissue paper and stuff like
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that wow so you know you get a bit of an idea of like yeah holds a bit rubbish out there yeah yeah yeah but there's a
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lot of the weird behaviors certainly are I think were were people that it was their first and only ever job so they've
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got no context to reality and also and also people just come into the Hobby and come into the business sorry
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there you go ah we should do this and then they're like get out and I guess
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I'll get out so it just doesn't really work yeah I got Pete I got a question I wanted to
24:34
ask you actually because this is something I don't really know because you've been there a while yeah yeah and when I was there I was a bit of a storm in a teacup like I said a Warhammer live
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um but I was working on you on warmer line I would love to talk about that as well because there was really fun thing we did it ties into your necrom on the
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campaign but like when I first walked here like what was the experience because I imagine you must have been
24:53
like that is a tall idiot I hate that guy like because I'm loud like I like
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I'm big and you must have been like [ __ ] no not really I mean not to swear
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so I mean I was in books and box games at the time and I was the painter manager
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um and that's when life really started kicking off and then we did the little five part campaign fantastic age of
25:15
Sigma um citizen Sigma stuff which wasn't citizen at the time I just made up my own faction so cool Pat you know
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about this no so what happened was so when I set up the live schedule and I can now reveal a secret which is fun so
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when I set up the live schedule it always worked um it was like three till like seven on Wednesday Thursday and
25:34
Friday now like Wednesday was age of Sigma Thursday was just like interviews and then Friday was 40K and then it was
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like the first games we did two games a day the first game was and this has all come off the back of of being told to
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set up a battle report the quick tldr I get hired to make video game or video content as gaming yeah
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um make a bunch of other stuff make a bunch of like docu stuff like so like four-drawed open days so like I would film it for the whole day shoot it and
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get it up that day yeah like really quick really fast I mean they were like 18 hour days but like stuff I really
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enjoyed and I thought it was a business really really valuable because people would see like you know there's a really great interview of when like the
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preferon got released I've got Alan Bly talking about how exciting it is and like that stuff that like unless they
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like scheduled in some sort of interview you didn't really get yeah and it's just freely available at the open days just
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hire a video idiot I can go get the content yeah it's right there oh yeah so
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I was like anyway um so first of all I do about reports and I did one and then I was like you just don't have the resources to do
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about report it's loads of people it's loads of time you don't have the armies
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you don't have the terrain you don't have the game knowledge you have nothing available to do and they were like but
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do it and I was like okay and and what year was that uh so 2000 so how long
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have I left now at least six years so I think it would have been like 2015. yeah 15 16 because Charlie was born 17 that's
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when I moved over to Walmart TV and it was before then so yeah 2015. so nothing's changed and you have to also
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remember that I had to bring my own camera equipment so I wasn't even being they were like they were like oh that's
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not new we were like we have this one camera and I'm like all right so I just
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got my dick because I was shooting wedding videos and stuff at the time I just went and got my own cameras from home yeah my own tripods everything yeah
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which I'm sure is probably against some sort law I don't really know um not that I cared because I just
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wanted to make it yeah yeah yeah yeah I didn't care um um and so we shot the first couple and I
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was like you just don't have the time like I was like you think and again people who don't make videos they don't
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know how to how long it takes to film how long it takes to edit none of these things they have no assets available and
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and Equipment um so I was like we should just do this live because I already attended lots of tournaments so if you just you've got
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everything available very much like an event you have people who've turned up with their armies they know how to play yeah uh you've got you can do five of
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them and you can do it live so I was like let's just do that um and then I had to make a business case and I talked to the CFO and it was
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like a lot for like hello I'm a video editor like it was nice yeah I effectively built a new business inside
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Games Workshop and like the first first couple of months like we were we had like 10 000 subscribers So like
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um like because in paid subscribers why am I not been that high but I seem to remember making like 10 to 20 000 a month yeah and I was like well that's
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already paid for me yeah paid for Dan who I later hired and then it's paid for
28:28
um like eventually we tried to hire an editor and then we hired this [ __ ] name rhymes with that and then um uh like
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Anyway editor sorry not in a scheduler but that's a long story
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um oh yeah yeah so it's clicked that's good though that was a good joke it was
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very uh I was thinking editor everyone else will know what that means see I I'm
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in the camp that don't yeah and I don't want you to explain it no no no it works really well he'll watch it uh hopefully
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it hurts and um wow I'm not part of this just don't be abusive in your workplace and people
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won't say mean things about you it's like the easiest thing to ever do in your life just don't be mean and people
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won't say mean things about you like it's cause and effect um anyway I shouldn't have done that
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yeah where we are we complete the name yeah I said a difference
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um but the so when I came around to doing and this was amazing again another shout out to peachy fantastic human so
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we so then I set up this schedule I've talked a lot now I'm sorry no that's playing Thursday Friday and uh the
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Wednesday game was a narrative game because that's very important Games Workshop yeah if you've engaged with me
29:41
before I definitely create like a competitive tournament based content that's something that I do and I'm
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passionate about it means a lot to me but it doesn't mean that the narrative aspect of the hobby is something that I'm devoid from I've read loads of the
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Horror's heresy I've read loads of background books I like the law it's important to me as well and it it
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creates the game for me as much as the mechanics do so I was like let's do a narrative game
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and then a competitive game in the evening so that's what we did Monday Thursday Friday and then peachy and this
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is awesome so I like reached out to people and I was like which one of these Chuckles knows how to play
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I was like I just got my mates in to play like the the competitive games yeah I was like smart move yeah you know an
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early doors I got people like tabletop tactics to come on and like oh wow this is huge like like Lawrence like remember
30:29
sitting with him he was like thanks for getting me on I was like bro you make great content like yeah just play a game of Warhammer let me talk about your
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channel it's fine um that kind of promotion just doesn't really exist anymore no I don't think so
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because when we I think after lockdown it's just it's just not any of that yeah no more they pretty much stop that as a
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like yeah it's just a schedule we only did that for like three months yeah and then we would make loads of money but me and Dan were working like 18-hour days
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like we were knackered yeah so like we were like we're making loads of money can we have a scheduler please and then they hired like a manager and then the
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manager's first the other job was like I don't really like you so I'm going to find a way to make you redundant and I was like bro I've been like a year yeah
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it's mean yeah yeah and he was like and I recorded it all just FYI so um I
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always record your interviews yeah this is what I've always someone um well it was Jeff
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um who sadly isn't here today he's not dead I don't know why I said that wow
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tragically taken from us by his schedule yeah it's currently being a barbarian
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yeah we're not recording this on a Monday spoilers so yeah Jeff was unfortunately not available uh he said
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before I went in um Games Workshop is the kind of place where I've heard this rumor you want to
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record all of your meetings because you'll be dragged into an office and uh
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you know stuff will happen and um there was and I did do it
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apart from the first time when they were just like oh we've got a videographer's meeting and some stuff went on in there
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and I was like oh yeah um and and the the like my wedding video
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business got busier again but um it was kind of like a toss-up between what a stay where to go and then that meeting
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happened and it was like no I'm going yeah yeah crazy but I I told you we'd do
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this I told you yeah yeah yeah yeah but finish it off real quickly narrative super important peachy I was like Peach
32:26
will you come and play and then Rob lovely Robbie Works in Forge Road now I think he does his stuff for necromonda maybe I can't remember now yeah pink Rob
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he does but he's great like and me saying that's probably bad for him so so I've never been like that point never
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played him didn't know so I played with him regularly on a Wednesday like he was just one of my gaming buddies it's just
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a super sweet kind individual like I love him to bits like loves to play and loves everything about it he's just a
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great guy and um and so he came on and then peachy and Rob week by week
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um and because Rob went to tournaments with him as well peach and Rob week by week would tell this ongoing story so
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there was like this bit where there was like citizen Sigma but they weren't and then Rob was playing like vampires
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and then there was like we'd set up like a castle board and then like peachy was like defending it and then like Rob
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would come out and they just parlayed like they didn't even play a game they just parlayed they were like it's over
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I'll see you in three hours like I was like what it was amazing and
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then they were like they were actually actively and I guess we kind of played the role of the DM a little bit yeah yeah yeah yeah
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um but then peachy because he's a fantastic hobbyist and Rob they would go away and then they would like so like one guy survived in a unit if I remember
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yeah and then and feel free to tell the story but like one guy survived out of like a unit of like handgun as hell but
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he is so that well I had some uh what were called the comic artists which were okay a bunch of militia at the time here
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we go crack Lord love him yeah yeah the commentary artists were the militia and they fought against a zombie dragon and they killed it but there was anyone left
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yeah there's only one so he went back to his mates back in the town as I'm the dragon slayer so they then became the Dragon Slayers and made a little Banner
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with dragons on it and stuff like that and but then but then he eventually got killed in like one of the follow-up episodes yeah yeah and we were doing
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this all live so it was like it was really engaging and it was 2015 so I don't know when critical role started
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but maybe we did it first
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but it was it was all live and it was and it was only thanks to and I can't take any credit for it but it was all thanks to Rob and and peachy because
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they were they were so active they were talking to each other we're going to build this stuff yeah but what was really exciting was it tied into a
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release like organically where I think the leader ended up dying yeah yeah and then but then he when he died he turned
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into the uh the changeling from ziege but that was the first time anyone had
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seen that mini yeah it didn't exist so we literally like got them like we I
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kind of what's called but the focus we pull Focus yes from him onto the changeling and people were like what no
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I lost their minds they've been changing the whole time and it was so exciting I felt it was exciting yeah no they're
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like I'm I'm listening to you guys retell the story and I'm like it was amazing I mean I I love watch it uh
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because I watched a couple back and then there was like little stories of like characters with those the uh the Griffin which I called Archibald yeah then he
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got killed then there was ghosty bold um because Rob had the ghost version yeah
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whatever you're doing it must have been great because you're recounting a series of games from six years ago yeah yeah
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like eight years ago insane yeah it was good fun yeah and
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interestingly like those elements are still on ah no I don't want to ruin it I'll tell it the so they've never
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updated the emotes on the Warhammer live of course yeah all they've ever done is removed the robber moat and the Duncan
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remote yeah that's all they've ever done but like they'll have a lot of subscribers so you have a lot more emotes on Twitch uh and I think one of
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them is the Archibald Archibald is still there and I'm sorry I've just killed him oh well
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it's um there's the cartoons that they did
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and there was the age of Sigma cartoons yes and Archibald made it into that because no we didn't he is he's the
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Griffin that's exciting yeah so like he's become like more and yeah and it was a really exciting way to do war
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hammer basically I think that made me laugh about robbers because um I'll finish a game and what I found really
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fun about the game was the end game decided what the next game would be yeah so if I lost which might happen quite a
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lot would be like right so I'm now going to defend this bit these guys are desolate use those next week but I'll use these new units that I've just built
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up and they're like oh I'm gonna get a steam tank and I'll be walking around as I go through bugman's Rob's up good idea
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do you know what it does it's like not a clue
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no I remember the exact line I remember the exact line to this day he won't like
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he he said to me he's like the exact line who see it into my mind
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he was like he was walking through and he was like yeah so Robert I've decided I really need to like stop like I need
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something that's really really survivable and I'm like all right yeah so he's like so I've got a tank because it's like got good guns and it's got
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good armor and I'm like do you want Ludo narrative dissonances no so it's like so when it's written as like it's like it's
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a tank that shoots guns so you're like yes that's good but this is not a good like rules wise no it was not a tank nor
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did it fire good guns like like in the rules in the rules so he's just like proudly like yeah I've got the solution
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yeah it's this and I'm like oh my God oh my God are you so proud of it because
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I've cracked it I've looked at the range and this is the answer
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and did you did you break his dreams or did you no I spoke to Rob I was like the
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PC sport steam tank stop doing what you're doing and Rob was like and again kind of like
37:54
a a compliment to Rob is that like being like convert to you in a complimental
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Rob and where I think like sometimes the community divides unintentionally and unnecessarily is that you approach the
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game in in a way that's really lovely in my opinion and something that should be cultivated and should be given a room to
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be cultivated like an idiot but Rob understood the mechanics very
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much like I did so his response was the same as mine but Rob knows the game well enough he's got enough system Mastery
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that what he said was he's like okay cool I can do other stuff around this like he can he can play weaker he can
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play longer you know for lack of a better word like to make the experience
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more engaging and it's one thing I really like about Tournament game is competitive Gamers or people who know their rules well is what they're doing
38:41
is they're saying well I'm going to have really good system Mastery so that I can play at a level of this I can play We
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like I run events in Nottingham and uh we had a kid who was over with his dad and he was like 12. and he was really
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good actually he had to actually try really hard but it's quite different conversation my friend Mark got beat by him he's like okay by 12 year old this
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is terrible I was like well sucks to suck um but like but like you know you can take
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the pedal off or like when I'm playing new people we had two new people at the event we ran the other weekend and uh
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can I play one of them I might play one of them and you just don't try as hard yeah but you you know what you're doing
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yeah and that's fun yeah I think the interesting thing as well is like Rob had more fun you could see it generally
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in his eyes he was like really enjoying the game and every night I surely want to do that I'd be like what would happen if I do like you'll probably lose really
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quickly I was like okay well I'm probably not gonna do that because we were doing it for entertaining purposes
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there was no mics on the table all uh so you were just narrating
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um and we were just playing around and stuff like that and we were having fun you clearly was laughing and stuff like that but Rob got a lot of it I got a lot of it I learned a bit not much
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um I mean the steam tank when it did first turn up just died
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you can take 11 of them now in an army no but that's great
39:58
yes I mean I I know even less about age of Sigma than I do um 40K I don't know
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if I get 4k has a rule of three doesn't it put Sigma not so much no it doesn't no like Sigma doesn't have a rule of
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three it does have like some Army building restrictions yeah most game systems do um like and 40K is really like the the
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rule three was just like a wildly haphazard yeah the idea of spam in in tournament gaming people vary on their
40:23
opinion on it everyone's got like somewhere they feel but yeah like I kind of think that 11 scene tax is cool yeah
40:29
you know like a bunch of Royal Dawn tanks or whatever the new ones called not leaving rushes I think they look ugly no offense to anyone who loves them
40:36
um but like you know those things are fun yeah you take a lot of them the problem is the game isn't really built
40:41
in a way because you then you built a skew list and then that's a problem yeah that like generally it's not fun to play
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against in some cases not steam tanks they're great to fun to play and beat up yeah but yeah yeah it doesn't have that
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rule yeah and but the the rule of three 40K is just in my opinion quite a lazy haphazard like plaster over game design
41:00
versus yeah like useful yeah because why wouldn't you want like I'm trying to think of something you want to take a
41:06
lot of um so there was an orc vehicle list so that was really problematic yeah for a
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long time yeah I remember watching the the only 40K Tournament final I've watched was and I've talked about it
41:18
before me and Jeff had a good giggle I think it was like lvo a couple of years ago no not lvo the one in London LGT LGT
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that's the one um and the two chaps playing in the in the final and it kind of all came down
41:30
to who got the first turn and it was like ad Mech and um like death watch or something like that and oh the one we
41:37
streamed did you stream that one is it is it like can you hear table audio they they have table audio so I know we
41:42
stream that and oh so what happened was uh we so we'd streamed I actually streamed the whole age of Sigma of it
41:48
which was team's event so we covered eight tables that weekend I did four
41:54
agency my tables four 40K tables and I just took all my equipment split into yeah and the 40K event was was the
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biggest one of the year yeah and um yeah the finals between uh I think what was it Malik and and Alex Harrison
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unfortunately and um uh what happened was we started streaming and then uh one of my commentators had like an epileptic
42:12
fit uh so pretty so like I ran over just turned everything off yeah and then I just sat with him and we kind of like
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um you know like helped him for like a huge portion of the thing yeah and then afterwards like the guys finished their
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game and they were like oh Rob like we're finished I was like cool stop the recording I was like I'll just upload that yeah but then everyone in the
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internet was like this is the worst 40K I've ever heard oh it was like that's what 40K sounds like yeah because yeah
42:37
because I I'd never like my um I've been limited to like well not limited to but
42:42
like filming battle reports against workshop and um and that one it ended with them going someone won and he went
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good game and then his response to us well it wasn't it but thing is the thing the thing is is like the thing is is the
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game like the game is never on the players like a lot of I've read a lot of the comments on that and a lot of it was
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like these two are terrible this is the worst ever but like and and sure their table presence isn't particularly good and and one of the players is a
43:07
particular problem in the 40K Community anyway um so I'm not a huge fan of that and I think that
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um there are loads of really great examples of tournament Gamers and it's a shame that that's the one that you've listened to in my opinion yeah because
43:19
they they are rare uh but they because this is quite an interesting element
43:25
so you know when you go play a game yeah it's a fun experience right it's meant to be yeah yeah yeah playing necromondo
43:31
was amazing yeah yeah so it's a positive experience yeah yeah so why I think a lot of people really struggle with like
43:37
the that guy conversation is because they they bring a negative they're very
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rare and I've been to not more tournaments than anyone but a lot of tournaments and um they're very very
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rare but because it's so detract like it's not like your normal day where you're like I'm a normal day how was
43:55
your day today it's fine yeah a game is like a like a positive you go to a cinema for a positive yeah yeah it's
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like a good thing like if there's a bad person at the pub yeah you you're going to talk about that later you're not
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going to say I had a nice time at the pub because well you might but generally do you know what I'm trying to no no so
44:12
I I in my time I've attended a few tournaments a few Lord of the Rings ones and a few like doubles and uh Warhammer
44:19
fantasy at the time and there was one GT I did it was Lord of the Rings was on my
44:24
own single GT and played a few games had so much fun because this Lord of the Rings most of it is actually quite fun
44:30
the game system is quite nice as well so you can you can make it overly complicated if you needed to but it's quite Bare Bones kind of stuff like
44:36
nakamanda can be quite over complicated wherever the rules are if you can find them but there was this one guys playing
44:41
and I decided in the very because I wasn't going to win the tournament I wasn't going to come last and I was
44:47
playing this guy and I think the first round of the first two turns I was like
44:53
he's hard work there's no emotion we're not engaging he's gonna win anyway and
44:58
I'm feeling so negative right now because his negative energy in the way he's playing Just is actually really affecting me and I was like you win
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and I just went had a cup of tea sat down wait for the next game and I felt great yeah because what would happen if that would have dragged on I would have
45:12
felt even more like oh I just rolled on but what we're spending we're spending minutes on this conversation but we're
45:18
not spending minutes on the four other great games you had exactly yeah like that happens so much yeah and it's true
45:25
of like YouTube like rage algorithm stuff right like we we focus on it a lot my friend I just made a video and it's
45:31
not a plug but it's it's really worthwhile watch it and do it they're about I don't know so it's um about uh
45:36
my friend Noah who just won the agency I watched them out yeah okay so five
45:42
friends like he has this philosophy five friends not five oh but then he just won the biggest event in the world like so
45:48
he's like I want to go to an event it's what he said to his Mrs he's like I want to go to event I mean just five new friends but then he also plays really
45:53
hard and won the event yeah like so that's really cool it's a wonderful little interview like and again got
45:58
nothing to do with me other than my shot and edited today and and it really showcases that like we spend way too
46:04
much time talking about those people and a lot less time yeah talking about that's why I spent so much time talking
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about Rob and you in that game YouTube brought this incredible energy to the game and therefore had fun yeah a lot of
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people do that yeah that's that's way more common yeah yeah yeah like I'm talking about 56 I'm talking about 98
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two percent yeah yeah right and it's something like and it spent a lot to me spent a lot to me watching people play
46:27
games and enjoy themselves and yeah or for myself because because the kids it's a game as you said it's about I mean yes
46:33
there's some competitiveness but the whole point of games is to enjoy it's
46:39
just having fun yeah my friend Joe Joe Pagano shout out to the tough Cloud uh
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says the uh the greatest trick or the greatest Miracle Jesus ever had was having 12 friends at the age of 33. like
46:52
she's just a great line right right and I'm lucky enough to say that I've
46:57
Got Friends all over the world yeah yeah because I play a game yeah that's amazing yeah like and it's it's a
47:03
wonderful experience like really good but that 40K game was awful yeah very insular yeah so um to to get onto the
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topic of because I was going through in preparation for having you on just seeing Oh no how much oh no content you
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produce oh yeah oh sorry and this isn't going to go anywhere bad obviously you do all the live streaming but you we
47:22
talked about you travel abroad and you stream all of these uh tournaments so the edge of Sigma Worlds the the Super
47:29
Bowl championships yeah Team Championships sorry yes that was the one that the UK won um Howard talk me through how what does
47:36
it go right I'm going to stream this what on Earth do you have to do great question still don't know
47:44
try really hard you're like because you I'm assuming you
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don't go out there on your own you must have an army of mates to help you with all the kit yeah yeah like there's a there's a bunch of different stuff so do
47:55
you want to talk about the world championships in specifics yeah let's go for it okay all right so I mean this um I probably have done maybe 50 or 60 Live
48:03
Events now over the past few years which is quite a lot yeah I think I did like 20 in a year once but and you have to
48:08
remember also two years of that was nothing because of covid yeah although we streamed some like tabletop Simulator
48:14
games so like I've got the tournaments sorry yeah like which is pretty fun um so what happened how do you do it
48:21
first you have an incredibly uh good group of people that will help you do anything so shout out to all of those
48:28
people who they are because they're the best um and I'm really lucky that they want to help me with stuff
48:33
um then there's so much to to break down but like effectively you're just trying to so it's eight tables so it's teams of
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eight if no one knows the agency of my world Team Championships is uh teams of eight that represent a nation how they
48:45
choose that is different it depends in Malta it's just everyone at the shop uh
48:51
the one shop shout out to you Ryan uh in uh in France they have an entire Federation with multi-layers of voting
48:58
which is very French right brilliant it's very intense I can imagine yeah
49:04
crikey but then with things like Australia it really just comes down to whoever can afford to go I was gonna say
49:09
you could afford to fly over um and some of them are really well done
49:15
some of them are done fairly nepotistically some of them are done like it it all varies but you end up
49:21
with some national teams and they all turn up yeah too last year it was at top Hotel praha anyone who's watching this
49:26
is do you know what the back rooms is no okay it's just you've seen The Shining yes yeah yeah
49:33
yeah yeah looked like the place I would rather have been than the hotel I was in yeah right like but shout out to
49:41
everyone in the Czech Republic it was great um so top Hotel so we got there and then um we have eight tables so two
49:48
teams of eight play against each other they go this thing through this thing called the pairing system where because you've got to work out who of the eight
49:53
is playing the other eight yeah it's a very complicated system using cards and using multiple different like uh it
49:59
doesn't matter so you pair them up and then you play cool so now we've got eight games of what happened happening at the same time so then we have to have
50:05
a camera on every table and we have two we have one on the dice tray one was overhead yeah I would love 15. yeah but
50:11
I don't have that much money yeah because you're not just filming like like I have like it doesn't matter what I have but like it's taken me years to
50:19
build up that much money and not really making a lot of money I'm not that much that successful because you know when
50:25
you create content it's like lore videos hobby videos do you want to play games like it's
50:30
right at the bottom right it's an interesting like hierarchy of content and stuff yeah like lore videos like um
50:36
there's chapcut is it Wes most successful uh we'll have a content creator in the world yes last year last
50:43
year yeah he started he started off on Tick Tock yeah um and I remember and he's just like he's got really cool hair
50:48
envious and uh has he he has he has very a rephrase he
50:57
has very flamboyant hair he has hair um we start talking about hair
51:05
oh this goes derailed so quick um yeah and he does all these tick tocks and he's like oh let me tell you about
51:10
this Space Marine oh my God and and the Texas got really popular and then he went on to YouTube and he's like bam
51:15
most popular what I'm a YouTuber wow that's an incredible world yeah really yeah yeah no there's a chap this is in
51:22
Australia so I thought uh Aegis quigmar was pretty popular because he's like almost hitting the numbers half a mill
51:29
isn't it yeah yeah yeah yeah but he's not let's have us yeah absolutely through the roof yeah yeah he's crazy
51:35
yeah so yeah lore videos are crazy and shout out to him as well oh yeah and then but then yeah lore videos uh and
51:40
then you've got like you know uh you've got like lutein as well yep and people like that and then it's hobby like you
51:46
guys and then it's just the real nerds at the bottom just like grinding oh he hits on a four it's terrible
51:53
no one cares because well I mean battle reports I
51:58
mean like tabletop tactics they're very popular aren't they yeah good they're really good I like and I have no criticism ever of battle reports other
52:04
than like I don't so like there's something really really
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uh uh so you know when you see someone paint well yeah there's something really
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cool about it something like magical right they make something that's like artistic so like when you see people playing games and having fun which is
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what I think a lot about reports are um uh I think that the thing that you're engaging with is watching people have
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fun yeah yeah definitely and that's fine like that's valuable content because people like it they pay for it they
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subscribe to it they like it so I'm not I'm not dismissing it at all for me and a very insular end of that Spectrum
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um I really like it when I see people get play games well because there's a there's a there's kind of three tiers of
52:47
being a gamer and this is across most platforms not Warhammer just like computer games anything there's a beginner like makes mistakes an
52:54
intermediate doesn't make mistakes and then a professional or an advanced person forces mistakes right and that's
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that's it's a real like easy thing to kind of I like watching like Advanced people play Warhammer because there's
53:07
actually some real fun to it right there's a lot of like mind game games it's kind of like if you ever watched
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like I've watched a lot of stuff before I prepared to do commentary I watched like Street chess poker
53:19
um poker's quite interesting commentary wise uh like there's some really interesting like other systems where people do commentary yeah um because I
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did a lot of prep when I was at Games Workshop because I was like I'd like to do this well yeah um I don't really know how to do it no
53:32
training not surprised and then um
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I was never trained to present no yeah I trained to paint oh yeah oh no that was all I brought that and learned okay
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trying to schedule nope okay were you trained to do anything ever I was trained to be a manager okay excellent
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sure okay good good but I think you need at least trading for foreign
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system I would say was quite a robust and made lots of good managers but it doesn't exist anymore does not exist for
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the last 10 years I think it's been a long time since I ever saw anyone pass the squad
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leader course let's put it that way we used to call it same squad leader yeah well you do you have a good Star Wars is
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it well they use like a marine ranking system so when you were a key tummy or a
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scout when you became a full-time you're a marine okay um yeah I know the Marines are fascists
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then if you want to not know that because it is then training managers and Squad leaders
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manager still manager of Sergeants those that trained training management called veteran sergeants it was just like a
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terminology ads because you had the Marine training file it was called um and it's pretty robust so when you went to these courses you weren't there
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was no guarantee you're gonna pass if in fact they they forced many mistakes on
54:55
you to like to test how you reacted to situations wow so you know oh yeah
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absolutely but I think from that I became more confident as a person and I was able to talk to people
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and you know balance out that's good uh why this happened and that you know if
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you're in a conversation which I don't see anymore when and has been witnessed by a close friend of both of ours
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um that when situations happen and they're upset as opposed to continuing that conversation and making that person
55:27
more upset and then continuing making that person more upset you need to walk away from it and let
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everything cool down that used to be quite common you know you'd cater the uh the managerial conversation to the level
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of what's happening if people getting really angry and stressed talk quieter um and then it just calmed it down so
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none of that ever happens anymore I don't think I mean I'm not saying it doesn't I mean I'm sure there's some managers out there that are Bob on and
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know what they're doing yeah yeah but so you've got eight tables sorry I went
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on a Segway man that's okay um oh yeah so you've got
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eight tables lots of equipment um and then so then what we have is this thing called table bosses so table
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bosses table bosses oh let me tell you so my girlfriend makes this joke all the time
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um so I the most important so normally it's two commentators normally it's me and someone else
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um because I'm also doing the tech at the same time so this will make Pat really mad but I'm also running I'm
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running the entire production while commentating wow I'm not mad I'm just ignore I'm like how spinning lots of plays
56:30
there man yeah I I think I I it's interesting I asked myself this question um earlier on last year I was like am I
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really only making content that like is consumable by me so when we do so when I first started out doing live coverage of
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games we did one game but we'll have a games are fairly long they take three hours roughly uh and so people will
56:48
generally tune out and there's only so much you could talk about especially if like you don't have Graphics to bring up or you don't have a lot of stuff
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um so uh but then we moved on to doing two games at once and then now like I probably wouldn't do a tournament like
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well unless I have to that's less than four games because the speed and Pace like the production it's kind of like uh
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cricket how quick it went from test match cricket to 2020 yeah and it exploded in popularity yeah it's more
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fast more Dynamic more engaging and covering four games is really interesting because if you like there's
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always going to be a good bit somewhere exactly exciting like if you like World eaters for example but they're not on
57:24
the stream then you're gonna have to wait three hours yeah world is a playing one army or what's really fun sometimes
57:30
is one world is I play one Army and the world eaters are playing another Army and then you've got this kind of like
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nice dichotomy that you can jump between and then for me as someone talking through the process there's so much to
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engage with but so the two commentators and then you have the table boss and the table boss's job is to tell you everything that's
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happening because you don't want to disturb the players some some live streams like War Games Live they do
57:52
stuff like where they mic up the players I think that's competent enough but they're not presenters no um you have
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some hot mic issues as you can imagine um uh which is like not family friendly
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like I don't ever swear when we do live coverage so like people can watch it with their kids and stuff yeah
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um uh which was like something fed back to me was like Rob I'd like to watch so my kids stop swearing them like okay
58:14
all right fine um and then uh uh so like uh so the
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table boss's job is to relay all the information but also they they fulfill a bunch of other roles sometimes they're like a little bit of a ref
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um but they're telling you the information yeah so you're creating a story because a lot of like what a Warhammer game is is what will happen
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yeah what could happen yeah and then what they're doing is you're telling new stories so what we're doing is we're
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listening to the information live and then we're like juggling with story as we go and like rebuilding it or re-point
58:44
re-changing the tension points are you getting four tables worth of information you're at the same time though oh World
58:50
Championships eight yeah oh my God that sounds intense yeah that sounds incredibly complicated and you're
58:55
changing all the camera angles and commentating at the same time yeah are you in Apache helicopter
59:02
yeah um that's crazy uh yeah like I mean I guess it is like I mean I'm super lucky
59:08
I've got I've had loads of people who do it with me and we've all like we've got better and better and faster and faster yeah uh and more competent like I would
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rather commentate on my own and have a good table boss rather than have another
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commentator yeah so that's what com that's what table boss does yeah then we've got a cameraman at Worlds last
59:26
year it was John shattered John Superstar um and John's job is just to he just has a a steady rig a camera and it's just
59:34
hooked in yeah and then he just gets this more Dynamic shots because it's wicked like for some reason people want
59:39
that yeah wildly expensive close-ups to the Miniatures and stuff like that yeah which is like they're like they're like oh show me Android I wonder what hanger
59:45
on looks like I'm like have you got it like yeah I'm like look at it then
59:52
like I don't know what you want like there's dice junkies do you know dice
59:57
junkies no people that take dice no dice junkies are people who just want to see dice roll yes I swear okay right you
1:00:04
could film a game where you never showed a miniature you just showed the dice yeah and they would they were three best
1:00:10
three hours of my life yeah oh you're on four six is amazing like that that's
1:00:15
cool I mean everyone's got their own reason I want to watch it right yeah yeah um so yeah eight tables and then we
1:00:20
normally have like an infield report unless she was Luke shout out to Luke uh Luke would run around and like do interviews disturb people yeah um and
1:00:27
then we'd we'd film those games uh and a table was the job also is to not disturb the players too much yeah that's also
1:00:33
fairly important because they're sometimes competing to be the world champions yes which even though there's
1:00:39
no money on the line it's just it's a big thing it's a big thing like we we really dumb down the coverage last year
1:00:45
like me and my friend Adam who was doing the commentary with me nearly had a fight um which is not like a fist fight like
1:00:52
but he was just like yo what are you doing he was looking at me he's he's also like 25 and he's looking at me like
1:00:57
I was like I was an old [ __ ] like it was like it was it was one of those times I was like I am getting older because that look is a look I've given
1:01:03
to people that is a bad look well the future is now old man what are you doing old man
1:01:10
stop this um because I was like okay table one skaven Escape even a rat men yeah they
1:01:17
like to do machinations and he was looking at me like if you don't start talking about the rules and saying Alpha strike in two seconds I'm going to shout
1:01:22
at you and I was like that's fair um because but then we talked about it during lunch and he was amazing because
1:01:28
he went straight from like because it's hard because when you're the commentator you have to be like the voice of authority you've got other people
1:01:34
listening they're like actually that's hits on a three Rob not a four you're an idiot like yeah you know you've got to be right yeah and you've got to be
1:01:40
talking about it uh but yeah I had to put my ego to the side because and Adam
1:01:46
did as well and I've got loads of love for him for doing it puts ego to the side and he was like their mums and dads
1:01:51
are going to be watching their Partners their kids yeah are going to be watching they're not going to understand that the
1:01:57
seraphon bunker is not like the seraphim Castle is never going to get taken out by the possible black Lord list
1:02:03
like you don't care right now like it doesn't mean anything to you but it's at that particular point in the matter in
1:02:09
the game it was vital it was so integral to the to the pairings to the game and every other element but I was like no go
1:02:17
makes you feel sick like I was explaining what they did yeah and I hadn't really dumb it down which
1:02:23
is weird because it was the highest skill level available yeah yeah yeah well I think like um I watched a little bit of F1
1:02:28
occasionally when it's on if I'm not working on a weekend and usually you know they always have commentating Duos
1:02:34
but they have oh there's this specialist who does this and then there's the like the guy that does the energy and says
1:02:40
wow look at those cars driving off the start line amazing and and then and then there's a
1:02:46
legitimate job and then and then there's the other guy who's maybe not quite as enthusiastic but he's just like yes they
1:02:54
pressed the accelerator down Stephen like it's a dynamic like and and it
1:03:01
doesn't matter it lowers the barriers for entry because I think it doesn't matter how much you know about F1 cars
1:03:07
but you have the guy that talks about the aerodynamics and why the Ferrari isn't doing particularly well because the engine's not as powerful and blah
1:03:13
blah blah and then the other guy being like Oh my God an overtake and it works yeah yeah I think I think
1:03:21
that's yeah that's really good that's something I've never liked um I've watched a lot of like Esports stuff behind the scenes not as in like Esports
1:03:27
coverage or some uh but I watched a lot of like Esports like how they build the commentary teams and again like
1:03:32
self-taught I don't know if I'm very good at it if I'm honest like a lot of people like you do that and I'm like I
1:03:37
do it right yeah yeah you know you do not mean you don't know like when you started presenting it must have been like I'm trying yeah I don't know keep
1:03:45
going on it just keep trying yeah yeah and if you're getting incrementally better like you said I don't know if that's true though like no you must be
1:03:52
because you keep going to all these events don't you say because no one else will do it like because people are like people are like people like well you
1:03:58
pack yourself up in an airplane and travel across the world I'm like I mean I haven't seen Sweden so yeah I'll go to
1:04:03
Sweden like so like it's a it's a win for me yeah someone could ask me to do it and I would say no
1:04:09
yes but if someone was offering to pay for you to fly to I don't know Australia sit
1:04:17
down and film them paint oh yeah oh 100
1:04:23
I don't think I fully understand how much goes into doing it but I can appreciate just the sheer amount of
1:04:30
effort the biggest issue is actually and shout out to Tom um does the is the overlays so that's
1:04:36
one of the hardest parts so there's a so like me and Tom spent about six weeks uh maybe a bit longer than that just Devon
1:04:43
um the overlay setup um so it's basically a website that like um so the table boss will input
1:04:50
information into an app that's like drop down like like I can do it like it's very easy plus plus one point yeah
1:04:57
you're like good I got it uh and then that updates the overlays but not only does it take the overlays it updates the
1:05:02
website the app a bunch of other stuff yeah so like it's like this fully formed
1:05:09
thing which is great because again if you had to have a tech person just input in a score eight times yeah it's very
1:05:17
slow oh yeah insane yeah yeah shall we get on some patreon questions yes let's do that because there's quite a few
1:05:22
asking I apologize uh for talking too much no that's one yeah no no yeah the
1:05:28
second time that's why we have why we have guests yeah it's great being a guest by the way I bet yeah no
1:05:34
responsibility yeah yeah or just car crash now then
1:05:41
so um I can't give the name for the first person because they're not sure if they're allowed to post publicly or not
1:05:47
oh um this is already mysterious I'll let you read between the lines on that one
1:05:52
hey Rob been listening to the honest wargamer while doing dawn patrol with the baby every morning wanted to ask
1:05:58
what army would you choose purely on looks which one purely on background and
1:06:03
which one purely on rules looks would be Jean silicults hmm
1:06:09
um because they're great yeah although I and I previously would have said background but then my favorite now YouTuber called Dawnstar uh made a the
1:06:17
top five satirical armies of Warhammer and I watched that on Wednesday Tuesday with the stream and I was like oh no my
1:06:23
life's over like this long story so jeans to the courts for looks um uh background
1:06:31
so you can't pick any of them for backgrounds no they're all evil yeah like like so there's none for background
1:06:38
um what about Orcs they just want to fight yeah but they're like representative of like working-class culture and a negative light like yeah
1:06:45
what about Tunis they just want to eat like I just want to get everyone okay
1:06:50
they're about they're about rampant consumerism like it's low like it's all messed up man yeah
1:06:57
um I want to know all of them pass me a biscuit
1:07:04
a cup of water
1:07:09
though there's loads of problems the biggest problem is we're all like Space Marines ironically
1:07:15
bad right like they're ironically bad um I'm sorry satirically bad right but
1:07:20
like every time they have to win so like whenever there's an uprising you're like but don't worry the space means will win and you're like so like the bad it's
1:07:28
like they're more bad they're like she's silicone so let's do chaos chaos are
1:07:33
more bad all right you can't get more bad than fascist bad but there's no more bad it's all bad they're like well this
1:07:41
Imperium one and I was like that's not good like it's not good yeah where's the lad he just wants to make a coffee shop
1:07:47
and just have a nice time let him win I watched some of your neck Amanda stream yeah uh recently where you're talking
1:07:52
about the different gangs and um and I I made the same joke about
1:07:58
um corpse Grinders just caring about the environment they really like recycling yeah yeah oh we know yeah because that's
1:08:04
the most because that Commander is actually the most uh because they're like I'm not taking part in the war machine sure I'll grind up a few corpses
1:08:11
yeah but like I'm recycling yeah like it's actually kind of like there's a noble bright version of necromondor that
1:08:17
you can like fear rise in your head but then they murder lots of people so you're kind of like oh yeah I mean then
1:08:23
everyone's bad so they they're only murdering bad people so they're usually gangers that have had a gang fight that
1:08:29
tried to kill each other anyway so they're getting put into a grinder to feed all those kids so they can work in the factory oh yes none of it yeah
1:08:36
background none
1:08:42
um purely on rules oh which game system uh anything you like oh I picked age of
1:08:49
Sigma and currently I'll mechanically pick what's really engaging
1:08:57
um I quite like I'm just gonna fan favorite I'll just say gits there you go everyone in the chat like he's copped out there I have
1:09:04
well done me that's made that easy for myself and then it says in addition brackets te
1:09:11
oh no where do you land on the J double disc in the Disciples of zinch army
1:09:17
Sydney Walker I uh dudes yeah stop trying to make it work is what I say like stop trying it's like people who
1:09:24
wear like I don't say anything rude
1:09:30
um no I just no I mean like like fedoras they're just not gonna work are they at
1:09:35
this point so don't yeah yeah yeah I see people with fedoras have you seen the memes yeah like you've seen the memes
1:09:41
yeah like maybe like you know just don't it won't work so it's not trying to make it work that's jaydobles yeah yeah I see
1:09:47
the Fedora of ninja Sigma
1:09:54
that was one that was in our messages uh I had to read that out separately
1:09:59
um okay ah so something uh what do you recommend for people that are looking to getting into 3D printing
1:10:05
oh um a 3D printer yeah next
1:10:11
seems easy that's an amazing ecosystem if you like I I know I'm sure because I
1:10:17
know that you like while the Games Workshop heresy you actually were engaged in other hobby I know I know I
1:10:23
was it was called uh poor hobby by many people yeah but like if you are you yet
1:10:30
to be in the 3D print world we have I mean uh donated stuff that's 3D printed
1:10:35
I've been painting lots of stuff I've got older some Star Wars stuff we would like to get 3D print at some point yeah
1:10:40
there's a guy who wants to scan our heads so we can get 3D printed versions of our heads and scale so we can stick
1:10:46
on different Scale Models perfect I want a Chris peaches in the polonic red coat as well as the Napoleonic Frenchman perfectly I want crisp Peach as a uh joy
1:10:54
toy uh fascist oh um painted with rainbows yeah it's 3D printed to just
1:10:59
indulge your own ego yeah yeah yeah I mean this is I don't know if this is like the the negative of course beaches
1:11:06
whenever I make an army I have to put myself into that armor that says a lot of beach I'm not sure what is this but
1:11:12
it means everyone sacrifices themselves around me and I just like I've died again I've died again and I was kind of
1:11:18
like a weird name for my guy you know that time when I had that dark Jakari dark Elder Arcon that took out a knife
1:11:24
and killed a a night that was a great night great moment again but also kill the objective at the same time yes that
1:11:30
was that was fine that was pH the Impaler so Michael my follow-up question is though is you much into like the
1:11:35
ecosystem with like the 3D designers and like any of that stuff so like the people that go around and no the people
1:11:41
like who like have patrons where they design stuff so there's I've got a few that I'm I'm into yeah all right perfect yeah because like it's like it's easily
1:11:48
the most um I don't know like unbrainwashed I've ever been like every month there's just a bunch of designers who create the most
1:11:55
incredible art ever yeah and you're like cool that's great yeah like and it's like as a miniature hobbyist I'm very
1:12:00
weirded out by people who who say that they like minis but don't like the
1:12:08
and it's so exciting because I like minis yeah like it seems like some
1:12:13
people think it's anti-games workshop and I'm like no I just like more like I like Minis and someone's making more
1:12:18
minis so I like I mean there's no different than going to salute each year and buying like hassle-free models or crooked ice models or you know getting
1:12:25
some Perry stuff it's just like you go to their patreon and you go I really like this range of
1:12:30
Arabian flying carpet Cavalry can I have all of them please talked about that
1:12:36
today that is an issue I've got some cream for that
1:12:42
oh you have to be so careful don't you uh okay uh the carpet Burns mate that's
1:12:48
that's What Hurts the Most we'd love to know what Rob is most proud of in his creative career oh no uh
1:12:56
um I think you just want to stream for like 500 days during lockdown like it wasn't particularly something
1:13:02
that I can point to as a singular thing but I started streaming like just before lockdown got announced I was like oh I
1:13:09
didn't reckon this might go on for a couple of days I'll stream every day 550 days later I streamed every day for
1:13:15
550 days we did it in a row that's dedication well I also lost my nightclub job so like I didn't have anything else
1:13:21
to do yeah um so like we streamed every day and night and and while it was really good
1:13:26
journey for me as a Creator I learned to be more relaxed in myself which is nice yeah interesting so we've never done um
1:13:34
we've never done streaming it's been something on our radar for a while um and we're like we will hopefully
1:13:40
buying any uh you know something terrible happening we'll hit 50 000 subscribers soon so I think we should probably do that yeah
1:13:46
um I'd love to do that okay I used to like it so live streaming yeah it's so fun yeah so fun although Slap Chop has
1:13:53
been the subject of Internet drama have you made any positive Connections In The Wider content creator slash hobby space
1:14:00
ah The Syndicate um uh shout out to you uh it's a secret
1:14:06
group and we have special meetings it's just it's just like some of them reach out to me and they're like hello and I'm
1:14:13
like get out get out like Brent was in my uh chat today like goober Town Hobbies he was just in my chat I was
1:14:19
like gal Brent he was like he was like I'm watching I'm like you're not allowed to watch this is not for you go go go to
1:14:25
wherever you lot go not here it's great yeah it's a nice guy super nice guy uh but like they message me and I'm like
1:14:31
like I've got what I've got loads of mates but like uh look at me showing off all right Jesus
1:14:38
but my neighbor meet Nathan who I love to bits um uh Nathan Prescott uh like I'm like
1:14:45
everyone's like oh don't you wanna know them and I'm like oh I just hang out with Nathan it's fine like it's already
1:14:51
bothered yeah so whatever yeah but loads of nice people fair enough um and it says also what would you say
1:14:58
to the boys in the room to tempt them to try streaming oh to tempt them to try streaming I guess he just said it's
1:15:04
great and we've gone yeah okay yeah yeah it's potentially it's super engaging uh I use it as a as a like a Imagine This
1:15:13
but just get 200 more people in yeah yeah absolutely it's chaotic yeah yeah and like most of them are going to try
1:15:20
and find a way to trip you up yeah you used to get that a lot I think that's part of the fun yeah yeah you were like let's read this question
1:15:26
to swear get peachy to swear we can do it also just so you know it's wildly
1:15:33
different to doing it too from Games Workshop oh yeah because the the the the people there's just a lot of people who
1:15:39
watch against Workshop stream and and they don't see you as a human being they only see you as a Games Workshop representative yeah and they want
1:15:45
everything anything that they can do to get that shine to be on them like they want that because it's the thing that
1:15:51
makes them happy and that's super Fair like that's what makes them happy but the thing I like about streaming when
1:15:57
you're an independent is the people who are there generally like you and that's actually quite nice yeah that's actually
1:16:03
quite a nice thing like you not the thing that you represent yeah yeah that's a really interesting way of putting everything or they hate watch
1:16:09
you oh yeah shout out to the hate Watchers yeah oh go away for some hate watches see like like say like when Joe
1:16:16
R.I.P Jeremy Kyle well to his show um is you'll be like oh I hate Jeremy
1:16:22
Kyle but I'm gonna watch it but I'm gonna watch it and I'm gonna hate it but every second that I watch it I can't stop yeah
1:16:27
um interesting okay uh this first one starts off quite nicely I love Rob oh okay that was me by the way yeah it's
1:16:34
actually me um one positive one yeah quite apt as he
1:16:39
was just name dropped where is Nathan and why is he not here with you today well who knows where he is I think he's actually at the venue fixing uh he put a
1:16:48
he's a builder and he put a hot water sink in for me the other day and it leaked and he was like oh no oh he's
1:16:53
leaking oh my God I was like you're gonna fix his life at some point
1:16:58
he's Zimbabwe doesn't he yeah yeah he is he is and like and and uh there's a couple of people who like have been so
1:17:05
supportive when I started doing everything um and Nathan was one of those people and he's like he's amazing because he
1:17:12
shouldn't ever have been like put in front of a camera like like you're
1:17:19
really personable you're very articulate and you're very skilled at what you wouldn't say I'm articulate but thanks
1:17:24
for the rest but Pat similarly yeah like it's got lots to say and like and you can see
1:17:30
like Nathan is one of my best friends and he's just the best but like he
1:17:36
should never have been allowed in front of a camera like like my favorite trick and also if you're watching please do
1:17:41
follow at Nath Prescott on Twitter that's the only shout out I'll make I'm gonna have it flash up on this one
1:17:47
did you see did you see did you happen to see um they they didn't release an agent Sigma or FAQ a couple of
1:17:52
Christmases ago so just stood outside Games Workshop with a sign saying release the FAQ did you see this picture
1:17:58
no it went very viral um and uh but then it said release the FAQ and at the bottom it said add me and
1:18:04
it just said at Nath Prescott because like my dream is just to get like he hates it I'm like just tweet him
1:18:10
anything yeah we're following yeah but because he's just like he's just a dude from Zimbabwe he's really smart really
1:18:16
clever really funny super nice but he's just like not built for TV I'm like oh
1:18:22
git just came out I was like Nathan how do you feel about new kids it's locking up pretty good there's like anything else he's like yeah still good I'm like
1:18:28
we've got three hours left mate but then on the other side of that the
1:18:35
other side of that right we do a Monday show and then I'm like Nathan you're a tournament this weekend he's like oh
1:18:40
yeah yeah I'm like okay I was like tell us about your games it's like no problem and like and my Monday show isn't the
1:18:46
most popular you just see my show but it's our popular it's just in my show and then you have this beautiful man
1:18:52
Regale you with uh his games for like three hours sorry a game yeah right he's
1:18:59
like telling you the story how he's got Spiker doing Mesmerize or whatever it is for like 45 minutes and at the end of
1:19:05
that long Twisted conversation about this battle report he goes it was a draw
1:19:10
I was oh my God and it's so avant-garde yeah yeah it should never be allowed to be on TV like people are like people
1:19:17
message me like when's a Nathan Prescott about report happening again I'm like I don't know if I can handle it why do you
1:19:22
want it and they're like because it's the best I'm like it is the best but it's never gonna be Pat I need you to
1:19:28
know it's never going to make me any money like like
1:19:35
that's great you guys are really motivated yeah Nathan's like his four hours on a battle report and I'm like I
1:19:42
guess that's my content this week there you go no question about what the algorithm is I don't know if it needs to
1:19:47
be five minutes or eight minutes or whatever it's gonna be four hours and the internet will break three times nice
1:19:52
that's my content amazing you do tune in please follow Nathan yeah uh that's my
1:20:00
takeaway um what do you think the next big revolution in mini painting will be oh my God chop Slap Chop slap yeah
1:20:08
um you you put all the contrast on first Gray then you dry brush it white then you spray black
1:20:14
perfect absolutely perfect 3D chess move right there
1:20:22
wow wow got it all there mate buying it off eBay
1:20:28
fully painted oh dear and me that's good that's the system yeah yeah I mean I was kidding I was gonna make my next video
1:20:34
was going to be like slaptop 2.0 and it's just super bougie and it's just a
1:20:39
guy just drinking coffee for 15 minutes and then at the end of it he just gets the delivery of his propane it like
1:20:44
Siege Studios minis yeah yeah I saved myself hours
1:20:52
by just paying for it that would be great to like rent out a stately home
1:20:59
she's really high production relaxing yeah yeah and then in it comes oh you
1:21:04
have a dressing gown on and like a dog at your feet open fire what's the pro version I'm here for it I'm here for it
1:21:11
that's great um have you ever thought about starting historicals oh God
1:21:18
um uh no but also obviously or like we all have a future you know understand
1:21:23
that right we're all either going to become historical Gamers or we're going to be train set collectors there's only
1:21:28
that's the only two Pathways available to us like I did not know this was the only two options I mean I already do one of
1:21:35
them historical yeah but I did that before Workshop oh okay
1:21:42
yeah so that's how I got into Games Workshop was historical oh really yeah what did you start with what made you
1:21:47
want it other than the TV show shut up uh so I used to do it with my dad oh yeah and we used to like I used to get
1:21:52
loads of like plastic toys and we started building like a American Civil War yeah I had a union Confederates are
1:21:59
one of the good as he wanted the baddest that's obviously the limit at my my knowledge at the time was I would be the
1:22:05
good as you can be the bad easier after the gray ones you have the blue ones we started building up armies you start making a board we never actually got
1:22:10
around to playing it was the process of just building it but then I got into sharp so I started doing stuff with that and it wasn't until probably Workshop
1:22:17
that I actually got full into proper rule rule systems and doing things like black powder and uh bolt action stuff
1:22:24
like that oh really so I still did it when I was at Workshop because I didn't care because there was lots of people there that did it as well yeah of course
1:22:30
like the idea that they're just they're only like one thing is yeah yeah yeah yeah
1:22:45
did you uh did you guys know that Hornby just released like a new kind of train
1:22:52
um it's like a different scale and everything mental anyway the fact that you know that now worries me yeah no
1:22:58
what did I see my sister sent me something on Tick Tock um well it was like some guy with his
1:23:03
mother always and he just drives his little train you're following it around you know ah this is quite nice and Serene and his cat's just like laying on
1:23:09
the track and he just plows into it and obviously it doesn't do anything so tiny you just remind me I think I kind of I
1:23:15
did both I'm going the opposite way around I think I started off with trains and then his Vehicles because I used to
1:23:20
have a model train set there you go and I used to get my British Commandos to blow it up because I had loads of gym and tanks on the boat oh nice so are you
1:23:28
kind of doing your toy Journey backwards like you're gonna be like a geriatric pensioner with an action man possible I
1:23:34
already have
1:23:44
I've got rules for playing Lego as War Games as well oh really you just use the existing rule systems
1:23:51
start with Legion Lego done it yeah it's great amazing and you can have all the Star Wars figures and you can tip the
1:23:58
heads off when you decapitated them there's a there's a patreon to subscribe to where um uh he just does all of the
1:24:03
Miniatures but as like um their their printouts so paper printouts but you stick them together
1:24:09
and they're like and they they're little 3D like there's a 3D custodies oh right
1:24:14
it's awesome Superman yeah it's really really cool really cool that sounds so cool my first Indie Miniatures were just
1:24:20
um Bits of Paper that you fold in half and it's like this side's the front of the goblin and that side is the back of the goblin and you just happened it was
1:24:26
great perfect yeah and then I found that people call it poor hammer wow yeah so there we go wow um I'd like
1:24:34
to thank Rob for the daily streams he did during the pandemic to keep in touch and keep spirits up those were the
1:24:40
highlight of some very tough days for me oh I'd love to know some golden bits of advice for anyone looking to attend their first tournament
1:24:46
uh uh you take pens is the first one you there's no you can never have enough
1:24:52
pens uh take some water that's where my like uh phrase stay hydrated comes from it's not my phrase but like generally I
1:24:58
advise people to stay hydrated their drink lots uh is also something that's really valuable as well and then just
1:25:04
don't worry just go and make five friends there you go um just go make five friends like it's
1:25:10
really easy my friend Simon uh I mean yeah I have to call my friend because he uh is
1:25:17
um he's a lecturer over at dmu uh when we played last September I went down to London for an event and we played a game
1:25:23
and he went hey Rob that's nice to meet as a nice meeting he's like can we be friends and I was like if you won he's
1:25:28
like yeah and then we shook hands he's like we're friends now I was like great this is really nice I think I was like
1:25:35
now I know where we're at I'm like you want me to call you he's like so we just change numbers after the game and I was
1:25:40
it's great and now I do that all the time and then my other friend Jacob who's wonderful he always high-fives people
1:25:46
when their dice rolls go well yeah and it's just really like he's just he he and loads of other people are just there
1:25:53
to just I was like dude you just blow up my tanks like that see you've changed my outlook on tournament yeah just by this
1:25:59
literal owl here we're having here because I my experiences have never been there and I've tried to make it as
1:26:04
engaging and enjoyable from my opinion and I've had some really good like you say like you know you have like the one or two here and there but you have some really good ones but I've never
1:26:10
experience that people just wanted to talk to you and high five you for doing stuff like that so yeah it's interesting but then it's also like that's also the
1:26:16
energy like not you and I'm not saying that you bring that energy but like and sometimes I bring that energy people don't care yeah yeah that's fine yeah
1:26:23
like I was in Detroit I think maybe I worked too hard to try and get people to like me
1:26:30
bringing the share in the two wine glasses the way the man that puts himself in
1:26:36
every single Army is conscious of his own existence
1:26:42
but I'm always bold as well so I've accepted it every time every time every
1:26:47
time just a beard if you could have a haircut what haircut would it be yours I'm gonna skin you later you know what
1:26:54
this is It's a mohawk in it it is now I only cut it in last night so oh yeah because it used to be like when we met I
1:27:00
had that haircut I can only do it sideways now the inverse Mohawks Mohawk
1:27:05
the no Hawk oh Deary me um I don't understand this but I'm
1:27:12
assuming you will uh it seems like it's more of a statement whichever one shilly is wins
1:27:18
and then someone replied shilly is my hero and it has two hearts I have
1:27:25
number one I love Muppets Christmas Carol and Jim Henson was a genius oh amazing because there was another question that said who were in a fight
1:27:31
Muppets or Sesame Street please give reasons and justify your answers they would never fight because they're too pure uh so don't try to bring that evil
1:27:38
into the world yes that's yes Simon uh that's number one uh and
1:27:44
there's a YouTuber I really like called some more news and he has uh an a
1:27:49
deranged puppet um who uh speaks for a certain
1:27:55
um type of person and so I have uh the honest wargamer is is as a title while a
1:28:02
tad aggressive um is meant to be that I'm just going to tell you what I think we don't take any advertisement I don't do I've never done
1:28:08
a single ad spot ever uh I just uh like if I like a thing I'm like I bought this thing and I liked it like that's what I
1:28:15
do like so the only way I've ever made money and everything I've ever made is free so if you like me you subscribe on
1:28:20
Twitter you subscribe my patreon that's all I've ever done um or you donate money and like so I've
1:28:26
never done anything behind a paywall um and I don't judge anyone that does uh
1:28:31
because I think that there's some real value in getting advertising especially ethical advertising like if you're like I really believe in this thing that I'm
1:28:37
advertising then it's just a win-win you're advertising something that you believe in and you're being paid everyone wins so I think that's very
1:28:43
valid and there's lots of creators to do that and I think that's great um but there are some people who are a
1:28:50
little bit well I'm already anyway I have a puppet called chili
1:28:58
and uh shitty sometimes speaks for me or speaks his own truth
1:29:03
um which is sometimes different to my truth okay so I have a deranged Alter Ego puppet called Chile who
1:29:09
fantastically don't talk about much okay brilliant that's a very rare thing
1:29:16
war game is it's so weird I think it's just I'm a bit weird
1:29:21
you're not the only wargamer that has puppets no yeah that's true do they use
1:29:26
them to talk to people who knows yeah I don't yeah there we go right uh shout out to the Army masterclass video series
1:29:33
he's been doing I've been learning a lot will there be a deployment masterclass and are there other YouTube video series
1:29:39
he plans on doing in the future yeah I'm just uh uh deployments probably next week week after and then the one I'm
1:29:45
currently doing is like keywords so like we're going through archetype archetypes Archer types and uh unit roles because a
1:29:52
lot of people don't really like if I say that's a castle build you'll be like what does that mean there isn't a wall there yeah yeah like what does that mean
1:29:58
so um I've been trying to break those down a little bit more for people um like taking some really high level
1:30:03
stuff and dropping it down but also as a process for me to learn like it's been really good like when I describe stuff
1:30:09
on the table sometimes it's quite hard to if I say oh look he's using some defense in depth you'll be like what but
1:30:16
like you know I've learned a lot as well going through that process I actually wrote a book like four years ago called
1:30:22
up like just called a workbook and it's just for people who wanted to get into wargaming so that they can just go through the process of just being like
1:30:28
learning a little bit um and so yeah the the one I'm currently doing is on keywords and so then because
1:30:35
you hear loads of terms like what's the screen like what's the screen well anything's a screen if it's going to win
1:30:41
you the game um you know like what's an alpha strike what's a beta strike like you know there's there's a bunch of stuff so I'm
1:30:47
just going to do a video on that and then deployment's the next one so something like actually based on like historical stuff because like a screen
1:30:53
would be like you get your skirmishes out the front exactly yeah exactly the screen's a really easy one to understand especially if you've done any like like
1:30:59
military history stuff um yeah just guess the guys out the front why do you have a screen well because one of the YouTube comments I
1:31:07
really lose my mind once someone's like I've been playing daughter Kane which is a which is a shooting Castle build it
1:31:12
just shoots really well at range yeah and he's like every time people charge my guy eyes and kill them and I'm like I
1:31:18
just responded like put something in front of it you've put dudes in front of it and then
1:31:25
they'll charge those dudes instead I think it's really easy but to some people they've never because there aren't really many resources available
1:31:31
it's odd because you would kind of think it would come out of GW because you think iteratively that they would go
1:31:37
through the process of producing the rules then they would understand the game stay enough to then produce stuff off the top of that but we know that's
1:31:43
not true which is sad um but anyway so and then deployment's an interesting one as well there's loads
1:31:49
of stuff that I'm gonna try and do yeah awesome any that guy stories from your
1:31:55
past while War gaming not really um one really Springs to mind some
1:32:00
Italian fellow who played 220 Orcs it was all of my bad experiences have been
1:32:05
at warham world but oddly every bad experience ever had like and I used to play with a lot at
1:32:11
the events um Everybody experience I had was at walking world that's not a criticism of one world and the new event manager
1:32:16
Steve wrens wonderful person really great like uh it's never like it's never reflective of the T.O tournament
1:32:23
organizer uh but that was just a really bad experience where we never got past turn two yeah right and that was because
1:32:29
he was just moving 220 Orcs one at a time oh wow yeah and I was like okay
1:32:35
like and I was like I was getting more and more frustrated um and like I had a venture outside no
1:32:41
it was a really good story where John Bracken once this is in the end time John Bracken told me that like my uh my
1:32:46
gal Mraz uh this is when um Sigma not Sigma uh Carl Franza
1:32:52
descended yeah galvaraz I had a sword on my guy and not the hammer and he was
1:32:59
like that's Rob like your your opponents have complained that it's a hammer oh
1:33:04
it's a sword not a hammer and I was like well John actually technically it's the essence of gal Mraz yeah which is why I
1:33:10
did the sword and John was like I know I'm sorry but you can't do it so just like looked at them and I just snapped
1:33:15
the sword off in front of them and they just tabled them uh so I'll teach him
1:33:21
but like but but the answer is no I've had I've had loads of wonderful stories
1:33:28
like loads I know I've been a bit longer I share one yeah like one story so like
1:33:33
loads of wonderful experiences playing games all funny all fun crying with laughter having a great time so there's
1:33:38
one experience that made me like I never even thought about so I was playing at the local Games Workshop uh in Nottingham and I played this guy and I
1:33:45
won't mention him just in case he doesn't want me to say and um uh they were doing like some silly local campaign I'm like a tournament gamer at
1:33:51
this point yeah so I'm just like two thousand points match play Let's go yeah but they were like bring some dudes and
1:33:57
like we'll do a story and I was like all right let's do it let's see what it's like let's go have so I went in and I'd
1:34:04
done vowton the mini uh the ogre lady and then the yoga captain and my story
1:34:09
was and that was all I could fit in the points or whatever it was and my story was is that um the ogre Captain and the
1:34:15
yoga lady were brother and sister and valton uh was actually dating the yoga lady oh and at the start of each game
1:34:23
you would roll like I would give you a dice because everyone else because they were new and not didn't really
1:34:28
understand anything they would like trying really hard I was like I don't care so like I was like here's a dice and if you roll a six at the start of
1:34:34
the game then the ogre Captain will find out and immediately will join your team right and then like and then I played
1:34:42
this and then like they would do it and we um I played this guy in first turn that happened and then he was like he
1:34:48
was like oh I'm really depressed like that you've betrayed me without him my brother because they were like best friends as well so it was like a
1:34:53
triangle and then uh yeah yeah and then like he was like oh jaw I don't even care so he like ran off into the forest
1:34:59
and then he spent the rest of the game trying to like um murder himself yeah but he kept
1:35:05
missing right right and we were in hysterics
1:35:12
like and it was it was an amazing game but I don't
1:35:17
really but then I went on to have a few other games that were really fun and I didn't really think about it much yeah because you don't yeah right
1:35:25
um and then a couple of years later same young man was in uh my club uh because I
1:35:31
was DJing at the time and he was like oh Rob I'm moving away is there any chance that I could uh talk to you and I'm like dude I'm
1:35:38
super busy I'm DJing there's like 300 people here like no he's like come just like and then I was like okay no problem
1:35:43
so let someone else do it for me and I went outside I was like I've got like three minutes like what can I help you
1:35:49
with and he was like so do you remember that game we played all the time I was like yeah it was really fun he was like so my mama died the day before and I
1:35:56
pretty much decided I was going to kill myself that day and then we went in and
1:36:02
sorry and we played we played this game and I thought well I'll just I'll just
1:36:09
keep living and I don't really um
1:36:14
anyway I was like well you can have more than three minutes now
1:36:21
wow I mean yeah so like but the the takeaway for me from that
1:36:27
was is you never really know yeah what's happening in those games yeah and you never really know where people are at
1:36:34
and I went in there with a good attitude like you know like but I didn't think playing a stupid story would make
1:36:40
someone be that happy yeah and it's just something I've been really conscious of ever since yeah yeah like sure those
1:36:46
guys exist but on the other end there's a whole bunch of people that are just trying to make a connection and be happy yeah and
1:36:52
that's I mean what else is the point of being alive yeah I mean it's it's something that um I try I you know I've never had
1:37:00
that experience and that that is pretty powerful to be fair um but every every everything you do has
1:37:05
a reaction right every everything you say someone will take and that's that's why I'm always trying
1:37:12
to be positive with people I never I've never tried to be read I always try to be kind yeah um and there's days where you struggle where you're like oh yeah I'm really
1:37:18
trying it mate but but how many dicks because you just don't know and you know you you probably really help that guy
1:37:24
that day yeah but like I'm not a hero like I was just no no Warhammer is my point yeah you you weren't conscious of
1:37:30
at the time but regardless every action has a reaction right yeah like and so like and that's the thing that's why I
1:37:36
do this and I don't make lots of money and like you know like I'm always like probably you can do this in your 50 like
1:37:42
you need to get a job what is and pension
1:37:48
like you need to do something like Anyway so like but I'm always like I'm a huge advocate for people playing games
1:37:54
with each other because it's the same reason I'm a huge just sitting down and talking yeah yeah yeah it's a great way
1:37:59
and a medium of people just sharing their experience with each other and that's yeah Wicked yeah like it's good
1:38:05
that's awesome on that poignant note and with four percent left on uh my
1:38:11
batteries nailed it yeah I I like there's some other silly questions but after that I think I don't want to cheapen it you know that was awesome oh
1:38:17
we found the title for our thumbnail which is we make rub sounds cry Slap Chop make Rob cry
1:38:26
just go from the first question to the last one yes I'm gonna clickbait though
1:38:34
wow wow no super appreciate you coming on I think we'll be having you again because there's loads we wanted to yeah
1:38:40
I mean there's so much we didn't get through that was awesome oh I'm sorry yeah you can't cover a three-hour game or
1:38:46
whatever and not be long we did no this is why we're called Sidetrack now I reckon as opposed to uh uh just the chat
1:38:52
yeah the running joke is this is called sidetracked yeah we have so many conversations like Jeff will ask a question and I'll start answering that
1:38:58
then we'll just go off for an hour talking about something else and eventually get back maybe if we're lucky
1:39:03
to the original question I think a chat of Chad asked me like what Warhammer was like seven years ago and I'm still just
1:39:09
still just not answered the question one one day I'll answer
1:39:15
yeah well we we what we what do we say to each other now skip to the end skip to the end it's an old spaced uh uh
1:39:22
thing we both have a habit of being like I mean I found myself doing it this morning after you told me it's like oh yeah so oh you asked me this question
1:39:28
well I'm gonna start off three years ago yeah yeah and uh this happened and that but that's not important and then I do
1:39:34
it too often I'll just start though yeah like when I was at school and it's all about like what happened when I brought some bread yesterday
1:39:41
see and we tried to end and we've got sidetracked yeah yeah we're doing it I appreciate it thank you yeah thank you
1:39:47
for coming on thank you so much for coming on uh insight into the different elements of of the Hobbies is really fantastic to learn
1:39:53
and I know nothing about uh anything so hearing people talk passionately about what they like is uh I love it it's
1:40:00
wonderful so thank you very much give me your time my pleasure and uh and we'd love to see you on again soon and the major tea probably as well it was lovely
1:40:06
it was a great team thank you this guy had his tweets what milk last oh yeah he was just like anyone that puts them
1:40:12
first should be sharp unless it's like ancient porcelain or
1:40:18
China no this is it you only put the milk in first if it's in a teapot right China has to be China because it cools
1:40:25
the uh the the bone china if you put hot tea or straight in it
1:40:30
cracks and then you put the milk in there the hot tea cools uh warms up the milk but
1:40:36
if the milk's in first it cools down the hot tea so that's why bone china has to have the milk in first I mean me and my
1:40:42
uh girlfriend have moved into here recently I'm super happy about that yeah and uh and
1:40:48
I've been making lots of Cups of Tea too many probably and um and I've been going
1:40:53
through the process of like learning what Cups of Tea she likes like you know to a degree it doesn't actually she just
1:40:58
wants a horrible tea she just wants like the tea bag never to touch the water basically but loads of milk and loads of
1:41:05
sugar and she's like oh yeah this is right I'm like no it's just hot milk yeah that camera's literally literally
1:41:13
dead but these two are still going sorry sorry no no it's fine uh I was gonna say uh my girlfriend said to me this morning
1:41:19
she was like love is making tea for someone the wrong way yes heartbroken yes that's great t-shirt get
1:41:27
that on the store yeah coming soon from the painting phase well thank you very much Rob thank you
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