Sculpting GW Monsters for 30 years: Trish Carden

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hey I'm PG hello I'm Patrick and today we are
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joined by arguably the first female escort for Games Workshop
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Trisha hello Trish and thank you for joining us
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you're very welcome you are one of the uh the holy Grails of the hobby
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a chalice um so thank you for well going on finding the time and to do it so uh we
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on Sidetrack waffle on a lot about a lot of stuff so it's good I can waffle for him fantastic for Scotland what our
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viewers would like and they they often like go oh we don't really know who this person is and if you don't do you even
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Hobbit that is the question um give us a brief description of who you are what do we do
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what did I do I sculpted for a workshop for oh
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just over 30 years all together um started off with Citadel
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moved Ali and I had more Roger and one other Miniatures for a while back to
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Citadel then to Forge World and that was 2018 I left there so and now you now I
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have my own little range that uh which is amazing whatever I want uh and that's
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all through um fruit store Miniatures and games so and it's called harrowhurst
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and if you are nostalgic like me there are so many hits I literally can feel my
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follicles in my hair growing back they're coming back I'm like regenerated
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I'm feeling like I'm 16 again because there's like a dragon and it's made out of it's like a tree I never got past 12.
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I have yeah I've never got past 12. and then turned into a uh a dehydrated egg
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that's what kids do for you one of my friends uh who's who's lost
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his hair was telling me um he will get some really baggy trousers pull them
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up over his shoulders um and him and his kids play the Eggman Chase around the house the Eggman Chase
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dad used to do remember beastman
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my dad used to when he used to come back from what you'd have like a big rain bag and it'll be wet
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and he'll just come and Chase afterwards around the house because he would do that you need to try there's a game that that
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we play with the grandkids called I don't know his big pants or something like that you get this monstrous I
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appeared away from each one you turn over a card and it tells you find something in the room beginning
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beginning with a letter or something something color or whatever and you've got to run around the room like idiots grab the thing and stuff it down your
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pants that's amazing that makes for some interesting
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and sometimes it's messy
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so there's one for there's one for everybody to play so rolling back to um to Games Workshop
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yeah when did you start uh officially on the books 87 87.
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although I did some freelance before then yeah when I when um Ali and I were back up in Edinburgh and we had a tiny
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little box room it was a big enough for a single bed that we set up there and we
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worked there for a bit and then we decided you know what let's just move down yeah yeah yeah so I know you will
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have worked with a friend of the channel Bob Naismith of course of course he
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actually were he he shared um before we started for Workshop
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um I did a degree in jewelry and silversmithing yes and got a little studio in the old glass market area of
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Edinburgh which is ancient old place uh I think our studio dated back to about
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the 14th century and there was ally dooney's toy soldiers
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myself doing my jewelry another um old jewelry friend of mine Yvonne she was doing her jewelry and then Bobby new
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Smith joined us for a while oh wow and he worked there too yeah and it was great it was haunted the whole street
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was haunted it's amazing weird things I love haunted stuff weird we need to talk
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about this seriously and so I used to do my jewelry there and
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also I suppose part of the weird stuff was as a woman um next door to us who made dolls and I
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got a little crazy gig painting dolls faces like late at night and that got creepy creepy
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things I'm gonna Sidetrack slightly about a doll story so we lived in her house
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um and it was an old so my dad got a job as a stewardess at home oh yeah Midlands
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yeah very beautiful yeah and they have a village for the for the workers a bunch
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of houses and stuff like that we want one of them and apparently a young girl died there but many many many moons ago
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and it was always been classed as being haunted there's old stories apparently there's any other and
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um as kids you're a bit like yes freaky so anything that felt liquid
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or off was like there's definitely Poltergeist doing this my sister had like this horrible doll it was like one
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of those ones that you'd like lay backwards and the size were closed everything right yeah but his eyes were
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a bit sticky so they didn't always so when you lay it down it didn't always close its eyes and sometimes when you
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lay up it didn't his eyes always didn't open anyway it used to be right by the door and one day I walked and the size of include shot like they're like sticky
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short and they should be open because it's all right and I walked past and they're just literally
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I think I went upstairs for like hours because I was terrified by that doll yeah yeah adults are creepy they are
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green dolls are creepy normally and that that place that doll shop was one definitely
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haunted and it really was it was we would be upstairs I think we should we
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should definitely talk about that then well we'll be upstairs sort of painting doll faces myself and the daughters the
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woman who owned it and we'd have locked the shop door yeah and there was a ding ding you know as the door opened if
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anybody came in so we locked the shop door and turn out the lights because we didn't want to be disturbed
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and you could guarantee at some point within the next hour ding ding somebody would be in the shop
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and be like okay he's in there he's in there and we would coffee cups would move
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well you'd see the move or they just like randomly I would see that it was in a different place she actually saw one
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move oh gosh and the shop was such an old building it
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had these Stone pillars holding the place up two or three in the shop and you would see your baby down in the
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shop and you would see somebody disappear behind the pillar very nice there was nobody there that was that's
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terrifying and then next door at the doll shop there was a sort of iron monger's yeah shop of all trades
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and it happened a few times he would get a delivery last thing at night of
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brushies and nails and whatever everything's gonna sell put the boxes inside the shop
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to put away in the morning he'd come in the morning whole lot had been put away that's awesome that was helpful yeah it
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was you know that's when I got half my love of creepiness from her but you know it was yeah it was fun to
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work there oh you'll have a story about um so this the haunted house we lived in yeah um you lived in one we lived you
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lived in one yeah it was terrified um sometimes my uncle will turn up with his little kids and yeah like a little
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as they come running around because we the front door just was a bit nap and didn't open up obviously we never used
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it so we use the back door and you know when they're coming around it but oh Gary's here with the kids like running
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around we heard that because we're about to go to town we heard this and we looked at the side window because it got all the stairs went up the side we
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looked and we saw like something go past and we're like oh yeah I really want to go into town we don't have to entertain like guests for like an hour before we
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get to town and then nothing came to the door so Harry Potter and one of the dogs is barking so we opened the door and went
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around there was no one there there was no car probably wasn't there like what they went back in I mean mum's jumper
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did that well oh God so we've all got quite freaked out we mum was like my mum was super into like the supernatural
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which is oh it's definitely important guys definitely it goes and so like me and my dad were like well make yourself useful when we come back I want this
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house hoovered so we've got so we went we went to town we came back the house was hoovered right that now my brother
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James uh Hoover hoovered it's called I'm so sure but he's never done it up to
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that point unassed I never did it after that point honestly oh so he wasn't he wasn't in
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the room no you didn't know it was going off because he was working at the farm at the time he was working at Dairy Farm and he'd be milking that morning so I've
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gone for ages that's sad and he would often come at lunch come back at lunchtime for his lunch didn't go and he decided one this one day he was gonna
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come back and Hoover the entire house he's never done that if it's been possessed I reckon he got possessed so
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the ghost was like well I've got to wear someone to do this uh this this Ginger guy would do so obviously there's house
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fairies themselves yeah yeah it was so weird so weird but we reckon our brother was possessed for a short period of time
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at some point probably so what got you from moving to
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Jewelery two minutes was it just our lady it was meeting Allie yeah yeah because at the time he was doing mostly
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15 millimeter for Mike's models Dixons yes you know and they were all
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historical stuff yeah and I used to be fascinated by it you know I'd never seen anything like this before I'd only ever
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seen these awful plastic things that you buy in the supermarket you know a big bag of plastic World War II or something
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so um yeah I was just fascinated by it all and uh used to sit and watch them and you
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know got interested in the history behind it all and at that time he was using milliput because green stuff
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wasn't being used then and we were going out together and we
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eventually decided we were going to get married and we wanted to buy a flat and we were both self-employed I was had a
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little jewelry business at the time so one of us had to get a job or we wouldn't get mortgage basically at
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that time yeah and uh so um he started sort of looking around and he got in
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touch with Brian and he met a trip or two up to uh not down to Nottingham and he was offered a
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job oh okay so he took that and I got so
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interested by this time that when I wasn't making jewelry I was playing around with
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and it was something I did in my jewelry anyway I didn't do like pretty gold stuff I did lots of wood carving and I
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knew a chap who made pianos and things so I would get off cuts of different Woods oh cool and I would lay you know
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lay them into silver frames and I would do all sorts of carving and he'd give me Ivory off cuts from piano keys and
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things so you know there was a similarity in some ways so I thought I'm going to try
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this yeah so I made this Beast Man it was just kind of standing you know really stiff and horrible and it had
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like in like a team it's like a head with an extra little bit on it and so um
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Ali took it one time and he was down to see Brian and brown it's okay um she want a job
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so I started supplementing by um making stuff for for workshop and eventually
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that took over from the jewelry I suppose at that time as well they were using a lot of historical stuff so having like these weird mad Creations
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actually more beneficial well I mean the Perrys were doing a lot of fantasy yeah
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I mean it was at the time when fantasy was the the big thing yeah and uh
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it was it was just a fascinating you know I'd never seen anything like
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this Fantasy war gaming type of stuff and the people we met I thought that's even really nice you know it was a great
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gang it was a real family feel I thought you know I work I don't want to do this I'm gonna I'm gonna do this so yeah we
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ended up in our box room in Edinburgh crammed in I've got a
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photograph from there I'll need to put it up on the net of um Ali looking about 12.
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I've seen some photos recently uh that you put up on Instagram
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what he had here like his figures didn't he was like oh so he is like Simon
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Cowell's or like with the jeans oh my god I've got some other I probably won't show them though
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um but yeah we we did that and we did um I did that first beastman range which
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was the first thing I did then the troglodytes and the lizardmen nice and did some of the Judge Dread stuff back
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in Edinburgh did you do the bike no I think that's Bob did that I did perps
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uglies fatties a surferred the sky surface I saw some of the Uglies on your Instagram yeah yeah yeah and they were
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ugly and I was yeah you did a great job yeah it wasn't hard
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it wasn't very good background disagree disagree no it was off his time
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but yeah so we did all that and then got to the point we thought you know if we're going to make a career of this we'll move down to Nottingham yeah
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so we moved down and we stayed with Brian and Diane at lindby and their mansion there for yeah imagine even at
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that point yeah oh yeah it was a big house there was a lovely house um we were there I think for six or
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eight weeks we had a little sort of separate bit you know yeah a canalics
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type thing and we worked from there for a bit until we found a house and it was Enfield Chambers then it was
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where the studio was and it just all went from there you know are you um
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responsible because I know soaks goes on them horse horse which one ostrich girl oh
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God yeah yeah that was one of the first the um the first Miss man range I love it oh
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amazing there's a few that are probably not terrible PC there was camel there was ostrich there was seahorse yeah
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because strange Horseman that I probably have you seen Louise's video where she
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talks about the hobby Iceberg I get very excited little messages from Louise I found this yeah and yeah I remember she
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she showed me ostrich man yeah I think this was pre her leaving but when she was planning on
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it and that sort of stuff and she was like I'm gonna paint this and showed me
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ostrich man I was just like that is amazing to be honest uh scoop here I've started
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I've got two best men made so far in that kind of style
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it's got to be done yeah no absolutely I mean just seeing these things here now I'll take some photos of them and
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obviously they're on footsaw Miniatures if you check out the website um I'm just it just takes me back to
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like the 90s and stuff like At first I actually thought the treatment was one of the original treatment it was it's
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got the same Vibe very inspired by it but it's grossly we're getting that stuff again and being able to get access to it yeah and be able to paint it and
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add it to your wood elf collections yeah a lot of people have been doing that they've been buying buying them to add
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to the particular range they're collecting you know because I I mean I could be wrong but for a long period of
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time you you pretty Jeffrey fish was the the Mother of Dragons oh yeah pretty much did most
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monsters yeah um yeah because even like necromance like little minor swords yeah I mean I
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definitely got pigeonholed into that but yeah happily so yes because that's what
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I like doing you know that's what I enjoyed and uh got known as monster girl was named by
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Peter Jackson I'll have you know how was it is that why your monster girl Trish he'd come to the studio
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um and I'd made shallop oh and he was coming around the studio and he was
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coming into we were all in little rooms at the time with two or three designers in each room and it came and
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popped his head into our room and I thought well I've just finished this she's hand shaking badly oh she says yes you must
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be the monster girl that's it he was lovely owning that he
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was such a nice man I've heard nothing but nice things about him lunch with them and everything amazing and he
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brought his son who I think he was only about seven or eight at the time so it's a hobbit as well was he a hobbit I know
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I think he was yes it was but I ended up taking him for a tour around you know the factory and everything he's a nice
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little ad so yeah that was I'm very proud of my monster girl yes yes and you
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are clearly owning it you've got it yeah absolutely so I guess I don't know maybe a question
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usually what I do is Waffle and then go I don't know what my question is [Applause] um
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because I've I've I guess through my lack of understanding of of sculpting
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and stuff like that um I look at like the older models that were hand sculpted sort of like back in
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the day yeah and um do you feel like as you sculpt now that
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you're trying to emulate that sort of more older style or I wouldn't say
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in the actual sculpting because let's just say there's a nod to what it
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was yeah to the old world if you like yeah because that's the bit I really loved
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yeah and all the creatures that were in it I think the sculpting is probably
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recognizable because I do have a style yeah yeah but because I use polymer clay now as opposed to green stuff yeah
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it's changed the way I sculpt okay and it's not always for the best because I
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get caught up in detail and then stop now no no just one more tool stool stop
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stop because polymer clay is great for that you can put so much I find it really easy to do details I've never heard I've
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heard of it yeah this is It's the stuff you bake and the one I use is this one called uh
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Beast putty which is fantastic great name great name uh
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yeah and so I do everything in that now and it just means I can go Bonkers with
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the detail because I don't tend to bake them until they're finished yeah so I can be working back and forward I can be
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changing things if something doesn't look right I can adjust it it stays quite pliable for it
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yes it doesn't it doesn't um hard enough until you bake it Ah that's amazing and you can then once it's baked you can
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actually bacon you can sculpt on top of that and bake it again yeah so it's it's versatile but
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I found with green stuff once you've done a bit and it sets if you realize you've made a mistake or
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you want to change something you're carving bits off and to me polymerically is just the best thing yeah you know
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does it have a is it a bit like a double-edged sword that sometimes you need to go oh yeah yeah I need to cut
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these yeah I was doing some work I'm converting um one of the trolls into a
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nice poorly female troll at the moment because people like things in threes and I did take a chunk out of her backside
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yesterday these will be getting cut will she have a an appropriate name for that as well
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because there will be a name there will be a name I haven't found it yet but because I was just looking at uh the
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history wooded Knoll in the countryside oh is it
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and Harold because it's quite a harrowing place yes you know so I've just been illuminated before we went
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live that uh treasure loves wordings yeah so there's lots of main conventions that you're using for these creatures
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yeah I'm just gonna get you to spill a couple out because I can't remember because they are insane what was the
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Frog called again it's an old word for frogs Yeah I mean I'm fascinated with all dialects and
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language so spent time going through various books and
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websites finding names that were just rolled off the tongue and they really are were had humor or just I mean
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what it means doesn't necessarily gel with the figure but it's just the sound
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of them yeah and so the unicorn's called dimple oh
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the Unicorn but you know it's things like some mokmoon yeah and this guy actually is
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quercus the dragon because that's Latin for Oak it's a tree and then you've got
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like Quake buttock it's one of the trolls and that's actually an old word for a coward
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oh which I thought was quite apt retro in some ways yeah because I'm used to hearing like craving and stuff I have a
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quick but yeah does this actually sound it does what it says and then there's a missile the swamp
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where it means mizzle and mizzle is a light rain in Scotland uh could drizzle but yeah but even worse is
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it like is it like a misty yeah just that kind of rain that really wets you but doesn't rain properly yeah yeah so
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you know it's all these words from like old languages a lot of which are still being used uh in places today and and
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stuff from folklore because I love football yeah yeah you know very hugely influenced by that sort of stuff so yeah
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after that so I'm still like mesmerized some old school wood elves now well he
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had to be hardwood because hardwood heart heart heart wood yeah
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um have you ever tried or was there ever a push to make you try when you're at Workshop
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um digital sculpting yeah when they brought in um the haptic arms that they used yeah
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what's called free form free form yeah which a lot of them use today yeah and I learned that and I did do
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a lot of the kits partly using that um who tend to make
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well one of them was the fanucian Wolves oh yes oh yeah so you didn't defend me anymore
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one of my favorites yeah they're the same they're so cool yeah and I use them for my loads of armies yeah they're just
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great for people using for goblins on them absolutely yeah yeah but uh with that I made
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um three UPS of the actual wolf in I think it was Sculpey at that time and uh
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that was scanned put into the machine yeah and then digitally I did all the
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cutting art the fitting and a bit of sculpting a bit of pausing a bit of tweaking so there was a bit of sculpting
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done in a lot of engineering which I never really enjoyed very much just do the large ones as well like the Thunder
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wolves no no it was just the federacy and ones yeah which are the best yeah I paint a lot of red ones and call them
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blood blood walls for my daughter's okay so they've got loads of films to send out and sniffed in blood yeah but now I
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ended up doing quite a lot of plastic did the um the stroma magic you know the komira
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um so yeah you had like a bit of Saddle you can put onto the body and it could have like a chaos Lord or a sorcerer but
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what I really liked was you can take that off and put a main of hair in it yeah so you didn't have the saddle yeah
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you could just have a secret just a beast yeah there's a loose creature which is really really good so yeah you did the Chimera that yeah how did you
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the Jabba slice that came out that time as well no I didn't do the Japanese slice yeah because I know that was like um because you had like a weird
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um I feel it's called our cockatrix as well yeah I did the cockatoos that was a a resin kit on that one and I think one
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of the other Plastics were the dire there was plastic was it the dire wolves yeah then yeah did them did it did a
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good few yeah you know yeah yeah I was I think the Manticore is one of my favorite um yeah all the new ones gorgeous I
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really like the new one is that the citizen Sigma yeah yeah it's gorgeous size big big lion head I don't know it's
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not as vicious looking with all the tuskers it's still a gorgeous it's a lovely sculpt yeah remember painting the
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first one I got to paint the very first one because um heavy metal was still painting theirs at the time and they're
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like we need loads for like still imagine things so I've got to give one I end up giving like a blue body with white Mane and stuff and they've had two
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different characters and then a spare bit where you can I think I put some wooden dowel on it so yeah
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properly so I didn't want to keep coming off yeah it was very interchangeable yeah but yeah that got is the benefit of
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being another paint is you can get the things yeah I think the first one ever oh yeah that's quite cool
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quite a cool brag yeah yeah that's a good break within a certain circle
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but then they're like yeah but we painted as 100 times better I know it doesn't matter
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yeah I think it was like one of the chimers or romanticore yeah I had to start that was easy yeah yeah some of
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the paint jobs are fantastic yeah um so when you're in a specialist game Studio Forge World yeah
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I wanna because I I really love it I'm probably gonna like being super stupid
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but did you do the in Carmine dragon I did the Carmen Dragon that was I did
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that before I went to Forge World I just wanted yeah I wanted to make a dragon that
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looked the way I wanted it to yeah yeah and so I just made it and that was um I think that was Sculpey as well gray
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Sculpey and give it to Tony and Rick was there at the time and they released it
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at that point yeah because I think for a long long time Bobby still is one of the best dragons that I think of businesses
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had because it just it because up to that point I mean obviously you don't like some of the older I've done a lot
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yeah yeah um there was a lot of dragons yeah different I mean there was a there's a
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lot that were actually based on the old um Talisman Dragon yeah yeah because I
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made that oh wow but after it was done
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we would use the body or the wings yes and just put a different head and a different teeth
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yeah because it was so many of them were in that s sheet yeah which again was a
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lot to do with base size and it was stable and yeah you know you could your Rider could be high up looking down in
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the battlefield you know so it kind of kept it with a footprint as well it did it wasn't too low yeah it wasn't taken
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yeah you know like nowadays like that like the last thing I did for forage world was the the big dragon
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uh oh shalock and Burger off yeah I mean that's the size of a Chihuahua
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it's a door stop it how how long would something like that
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take you to sculpt it took me the best part of a year but I was only working part-time so it's working three days a
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week but there was a lot in it that was Sculpey I did scorpion bees putty
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um and it took a long time with an awful lot of skulls yeah so anyways for
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everyone to the mall gym can you cast me up some more skulls please and then they made the skull pack which is all plastic I know but yeah I used to get resin
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skulls yeah and just yeah they're two kgs but yeah I love doing it I really
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enjoyed doing it so that is such a weird thing because for a long time even like in the design studio before like
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sculpting that Dragon so many times we were just like getting like Jonesy or someone to go and cast like skulls yes
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like oh here's the because the best schools for a long time were the death rattled skeleton Warriors
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I want to say Mike Anderson or something like that because they felt a little bit more um not not as clunky yeah it felt a bit
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more realistic but they were used a lot for like chaos scenery so like I remember Jonesy like getting loads glued
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on to like some frames put them into like mold and make loads of casters of them and it's like why did we not just
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do this as a bit spot oh definitely and then they did they did the metal ones in like a little they're again really chunky but yeah it
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took like someone to go let's just make a box of plastic sprues full of skulls yeah I mean everybody will use them yeah
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it was um we should have asked Tom though when he was here yeah um yeah
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I heard a rumor that um they went to the studio and said hey can we have your schools to make school
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pack and they were like no you need to design them all yourself but they already exist I won't name any names
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affect their uh um chances or anything like that but just don't get into
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trouble but there was there was this weird thing in the hobby products where they're doing scenery and there's an asset for a school or a sigma right
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design and they'll ask managers like oh can we use that just to add on to this building like no you need to sculpture
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yourself oh no and it's just like why you're in the same company I know it's like yesterday yeah someone has put the
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time in granted but yeah it just it's just adding more time and the weird thing was that the hobby products guys
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when they'll make it you know so like Dave and Steve and Ray um they had like six weeks to make like
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a scenery kit whereas like and for the same amount of frames like the Miniatures guys had like 36 weeks no
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let's face it skulls the skull really yeah I mean what you're doing is doing the same and I'll go back to my point
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with like shops on white as well so you'd get this where they'd get the model to get in the the golden angle
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they'd take a shot of white for the website and then white dwarf would take their own shot of white Publications
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would take their own shot on white then Ford would like maybe using a shot and do their own shot and white yeah it's
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like it's the same model in the same position yeah four or five different photographers have taken the same photo
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can we not just share yeah it's over it was it doesn't make a great idea
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yeah yeah you're not allowed to communicate with someone from a different tribe yes and clean so it it
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could get silly for that reason alone like you could just share the skulls schools of schools right yeah that's how I identify 40K in Asia Sigma in one
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reason it's a school skulls
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other than my personal favorite which is uh Carmen Dragon yeah but that's a big
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photo kit plastic metal dragons of like the 90s traditional old world which
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which is your first of the 90s so I I couldn't I've struggled to go oh
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this Edition oh is this one with the twin sisters on all the well both of them really yeah because one was
31:40
converted from the other but yeah I enjoyed that one yeah yeah I um my Forest addiction yeah
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I I never got it and I always liked oh I forget his name now I want to say
31:54
something like as little door or something like that it was like the dogs of war yeah character names I don't know
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what it is about that because like you say it's the same kind of body even same plastic Wings yeah but it was just like
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all the the rider and like the extra details on their head and stuff I just like them maybe because it was dogs of one I was collecting dogs possibly but
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yeah that's always difficult to choose when somebody says what's your favorite figure it's like yeah so we we um we ask
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our patrons uh and say like oh we're having we're having uh X person on uh asking some questions and we and we've
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had a few Scots on now and and quite commonly it's like what's your favorite yeah the one you're making at the time
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yeah and that is what um what Paul said yesterday as well uh was he said that
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you know it's the one he's making or the next one yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah which I think is is it's like asking you who
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your favorite child is you know yeah yeah okay when you got one yeah
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so with um obviously I guess you know of doing lots of fantasy and yeah and
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that's sort of where you're you're that's me love yes absolutely how how did you find working on like the 40K
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pieces that you sculpted fine yeah I mean it was a nice change okay yeah it
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was a nice change in a lot of ways and yeah a lot of the stuff I did was demons and stuff like that which are pretty
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much the same and fantasy yeah anyways so I did very little Hardline stuff okay
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yeah I think there was the um dreadnoughts I did some bits on them oh yeah yeah but is that like little extra
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totems and things no it was it was the um signals and the you know all the
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detail on I'd get a resin blank and then I'd carve on you know of course yeah did
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you did you ever find your hands on a Space Marine I think years about
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I made did I make one for I made one for something was it Talisman
33:56
Timescape or something like that I can't remember I'm not sure but it was eons ago yeah eons ago yeah but I never
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really it again I like sci-fi but I love fantasy yeah
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you know it was then there were other people who would be much better at me than yeah than me doing that so yeah you know
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stick to stick to what I really love Yeah plenty strength sort of thing yeah yeah that's really interesting so you
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were there a good good amount of time yeah it was about was it 31 32 years
34:31
something like that what would you say was your favorite period favorite period because I guess the early days is a lot
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more like creation of I loved well yeah I mean I love Forge World because
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it was like being back in the studio a lot of people said a long time ago and
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the people there are fantastic they're amazing and the time I was there it was still mostly
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hand sculpted yeah um apart from some of the guys who were doing um
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the tanks and various things on computer but it was just it really was that
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family feel um really got on well with them all fully enjoyed it
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um then my doctor joined as an illustrator yes I remember I remember Murray
35:16
actually at the games day one of the first games she grew up yeah I mean she used to come into the studio school
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holidays and we'd find her a little desk in the corner just get some papers and stuff and she'd sit and draw and she'd
35:29
wander around looking at the artists and I mean John Blanche he was fantastic he used to come and he would give her
35:37
advice and get her to draw little things and oh amazing she was just you know so
35:42
she had to join Workshop didn't she she didn't have a choice was in the blood
35:47
yeah and um yeah and Jess Goodwin's Dr Holly she joined as well yeah and so
35:54
it's you know become a family business but that's good yeah and it was good it was all the youngsters like
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Louise yes yeah that sucks um and a whole lot of others and it was just really
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a nice place to work yeah people in my experience seem to talk really fondly yeah
36:12
but I think other points I've got to see towards the beginning
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when we were winging it we didn't know what we were doing it was a bunch of nerds just getting
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really frothed up and enthusiastic yeah and going out and drinking too much after can we finish working the only way
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drunk sculpting competitions and it was just you know it was just it was kind of
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organized chaos yeah and being in a big room with the twins
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Ali and myself jazz um Nick Bibby
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and Kev came for a bit but he preferred a little room on his own Adams oh yes yeah but you know we were
36:58
in that room and people were in and out and it was just it was just one prank after another you know just one thing
37:04
after another you know I hope we ever got any work done I don't know did you find during those I guess that period of
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time that you had more like creative freedom if things were like in their infancy could you just be like yeah it's
37:17
this and it's gone because a lot of it hadn't been pinned down okay you know it still wasn't a thing yeah you know there
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was maybe something been written about it or maybe one of the designers came up with an idea like Jess with a skaven but
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a lot of the time as well as you know we want you to make this and yeah you had a lot of freedom to the
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way you wanted to make it you know yeah so I mean that that was a great time because it was just
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new you know yeah I suppose nothing I miss with we've been in the design series that Melting Pot of like ideas
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and creation and just like coming up with like mad and a load of it won't go through I remember no I'm going on a
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tour when I passed my manager training for for retail at that time you're
38:01
allowed to go through the studios at all and I think I went to must have been the Perrys because they had like little
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cubicle rooms and there was like loads of models on a shelf that just didn't make them yeah I
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mean that wasn't just like what that wasn't unusual yeah for various reasons they would you know be quite a lot that
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you know it might have a few casts yeah and then it just didn't get you know so it wouldn't get released and now you
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know people are yeah yeah yeah but you know that that was a really good time that was that was
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I keep saying I use the word fun an awful lot but it was a really good fun yeah and you know the writers were
38:38
wandering in the artists were wandering in you know we were all again it was that family feel at the beginning very
38:45
collaborative as well I imagine yeah you know and it was it was it was nice we draw you know Ali and I
38:51
would rock in about 10 o'clock in the morning there was no surf in it would rock in and we'd but we'd put in a you
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know a good day until about seven o'clock yeah and a lot of people were the same and then off to the pub or off out for a
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Chinese meal or something like that you know with the same people yeah and you know it was just just a good time it was
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you felt you were doing something that hadn't been done before yeah I think
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if we'd known what it was going to become wouldn't it be a bit more in awe of
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things yeah I mean I know Ali and I thought well you know forget two or three good years out of this before it all
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collapses sort of thing that would be great but yeah nobody thought it would let's become what it is today yeah yeah
39:34
yeah it's mad because I suppose like you know you look back at any kind of thing but I suppose if you had that that might
39:39
have skewed your I think it would I mean we were essentially design Aesthetics we're essentially kids just let loose
39:46
with a cookie jar yeah simply just free with creation because I think yeah having that mindset of like oh this is
39:51
gonna be really big in the future people are going to judge it and look at the stuff then you second guess every minute yeah yeah and then ostrich guy would
39:58
never exist but you know we also had people like
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John Blanche and Tony Ackland who were just churning out the most incredible art that was
40:10
totally out there it was just this world that nobody had seen before yeah yeah you know out of John's wild and
40:17
wonderful imagination and you know Tony had a great classical training so his stuff was always
40:23
you know it was fantastic but you could see his knowledge of anatomy and everything
40:30
behind it so it looked real yeah you know yeah and it was just it was fantastic just
40:36
having that around to inspire you yeah I think my favorite John Blanchard certainly of that era
40:43
um I think it's John um there's a knight Panther oh yeah and he's gorgeous yeah it's just not it's a
40:49
night but it's like all in this weird leopard skin and yeah it's very fantasy but also the the landscape feels very
40:55
not our world yes because there's like all these Mounds like Mounds with like little grass Tufts on it all the way in
41:01
the distance fantastic stuff yes I always remember that was like a really good sort of like yeah this is definitely yeah oh I I remember just
41:07
being horrified you would do these I think it was oil paints he used for a lot of them or an acrylic sister but
41:13
then to get them scanned and or whatever they did to get them in the magazine and stuff it would peel it did them on board
41:21
peel the picture oh God off the board and it's like you've watched the thing
41:27
no no don't tear it adopted I could go horribly wrong yeah yeah he did it you
41:33
know I remember watching him thinking oh my God no I never knew that yeah it wasn't in the good old days when
41:40
kogum was used for you know pasting up yeah spin everywhere God damn them
41:49
yeah totally different totally different I feel really bad as well because we mentioned this on a previous podcast
41:55
um because you recently retired I actually thought he'd retired way before that because I don't see him head off his name again it didn't like me there
42:02
with his Sketchbook and stuff but I thought it'd retire before that no he was still behind the scenes yes doing
42:07
his stuff you know John will never stop no he'll never stop and I really look forward to seeing what he does now that
42:13
he's not having to do Workshop stuff yeah yeah I look forward to seeing what he'll come up is
42:19
militant stuff it was quite mad and cool it was I know as a guy works there he's
42:24
a big fan of John as well Tim Malloy yeah he's got lots of the because he did a range of Miniatures of course then
42:31
militants they're very John blanches oh yeah they're fantastic well women with huge yeah there was a mixture of
42:36
sculptors on that yeah because they use I think Kev white did one and yeah I think he used to ask various makes sense
42:43
people to you know I've never got older one but I got loads of the tins yeah the models will come in like a really nice
42:49
little yeah and my wife's got lips because she
42:55
she likes shoes and she's like they're cool tins I want some of those and I've got loads of them around that yeah somewhere but yeah but yeah I don't know
43:01
why we had this massive surplus of like John Blanche stiletto tins but who knows who knows well they're cool yeah
43:08
I was really sad but um yeah that was interesting yeah it was
43:13
yeah those were good times good times so other than uh the stuff at workshop and
43:19
oh actually I was gonna ask you something I'm not sidetracked um so you you did Citadel then so
43:25
explain to me about Marauder oh yes everybody wants to know about yeah because it's like it feels like it's its
43:31
own thing but yeah it was its own thing to a degree yeah but it was also a way
43:36
of um spreading the reach okay and
43:43
Ali and I worked so well together and our styles gelled which you would
43:49
expect and but at the time there wasn't you know a lot of small shops who wouldn't
43:55
take something from the Citadel range because it was too big or you know whatever and it was a way of sort of
44:01
getting into more places yeah um and also a way of just letting us run
44:08
with ideas that might not necessarily have fitted in the main range at the time that makes sense so you know it
44:15
kind of worked from her point of view it was great because we got to make stuff we really wanted to make
44:21
um I met our own little studio and everything and it was good for Workshop because they got a bit more reach out
44:27
into different areas and and stuff like that you know yeah so I I couldn't tell
44:33
you what I had now but though I used to be a shopping Derby called amazing yeah and it was parallel to Games Workshop on
44:40
Friday Lane there's a parallel behind it it's like a
44:47
walk through there's a little road called The Strand and on there was a little shop called amazing and they used
44:52
to have loads yeah this nice little sort of counter yeah like clear perspective
44:58
these little steps loads of models and loads of marauder stuff on them but I'm sure I've got like random figures and
45:03
stuff over the years we actually did quite a bit and then
45:09
towards the end of it Colin Dixon joined us yes we need a few bits and pieces but that's the best dwarf Cannon I'm just
45:15
gonna say that again I mean sadly that was more than that but
45:21
yeah he did he did you did a few bits and pieces but it was towards the end of it really and
45:27
um but it was nice because we felt more involved with the whole process as well because
45:32
um we would be in a well we worked from war games foundries okay yeah at one
45:38
point where they were doing all their stuff with um Cliff Brian's dad yeah and
45:44
uh no it was great we had a room there which was out at base fertile baseford yeah it was good and then we moved to
45:49
place on um uh I was at Huntington Street it was Huntington Street
45:55
um the main road yeah this kind of glass
46:01
it's a glass house Street goes yeah kind of parallel to it yeah but we got involved and we also had a little place
46:08
up at um Darby Terrace we're eventually flame joined us that
46:14
was the the last place we had flame Miniatures flame Publications sorry don't recognize that yeah it was um Tony
46:21
Ackland Robin Jews Graham yeah Davis they do yeah those
46:27
names do Stanford I didn't know that that was yeah but the good thing about Miranda was we could get involved with a bit of
46:34
everything we had one salesman who ended up being
46:39
the last salesman we had was Mark Farr who yeah does food source which is why they're doing my casting level because
46:46
we're stead buddies um but you know if if he was busy with something we'd answer the phones so you
46:53
know you do a bit you know if you were needed help to pack stuff we'd do it you
46:58
know some of the line drawings that Brian decided that it would be better to
47:04
make it very different from Citadel which was doing a lot of photography of the figures for adverts we had all the
47:10
old black and white line drawings oh cool and I think I think Dave Andrus did
47:16
a few but we would do them as well for the catalog and it just gave a different look and a different style I remember
47:21
that now yeah all that because like a like weird like slam like Beastmaster yeah definitely the line
47:28
drawings yeah and stuff and Ali did the um the logo you did the you know the
47:33
skull yeah yeah pirate skull you know it was nice to be involved with more
47:39
aspects of the business than just sculpting yeah yeah you know and we had
47:44
our own little golden demon we had the marauder The Marauder thing dagger thing
47:50
I think we only did one of them but you know if we went to a game
47:55
but if we went to a game stay or whatever we would um we would be sailing as well we'd be standing in the stands
48:01
selling it too so you were getting to know who was buying your stuff and I think it
48:06
made for a good relationship with the people who
48:12
were buying it yeah and we got to know them and it you know there was a lot of loyalty to it an awful lot of loyalty
48:17
it's interesting because that's quite common though that's how a lot of sculptures operate they go to events they yeah they're there actually yeah
48:23
and selling that thing on so um yeah yeah okay but I mean nowadays I mean I believe Workshop doesn't have any of the
48:30
sculptors or artists or anybody like that at game Steve which is a team it absolutely it really is he's talking to
48:35
Louise because we drove down to a little show called grifcon we're just talking about it and I
48:41
remember for me even though I would do stuff for white dwarf and it was armies and I never sculpted I never did you
48:48
know I never but I did yeah you were arting um but it was a morale boost
48:55
and you could see the things that you were doing had a positive impact so then it made you feel more confident and then
49:02
you go and make more cool stuff whereas now you're just gonna be stuck in a little box yeah not knowing if people
49:08
appreciate it and like it and then just carrying the same thing and hoping people like it and then yeah and it's
49:13
all the internet because this is the other things like the internet's like oh this is a rubbish school oh God yeah it's poisonous person isn't it I mean I
49:22
had loads of that yeah loads of it at the beginning well not at the beginning but sort of Midway through my career
49:29
with Workshop it was an important website remember oh good idea it was and
49:35
it got vicious yeah and a lot of it was bloody woman she can't sculpt and all this kind of thing and you know and then
49:41
it got it got personal as well in particular whose name I won't mention but um
49:48
he's still around I got I met him at game's day once uh one of his friends and to rushed me said oh this is
49:54
so-and-so from the side nicest pie to him and he was so nice to
49:59
me so nice yeah yeah face to face you can't do it again you just can't you know
50:07
but very different unfortunately it it didn't really bother me too much I mean
50:14
I thought well yeah you run your mouth off but I'm the one who's working and enjoying myself yeah yeah yeah yeah and
50:21
I know you know certain people would get I suppose the word and the spear didn't help either well no it didn't
50:27
well like the iron Brew the Glasgow kiss oh yeah
50:35
all the Edinburgh yeah but you know that makes me glad now that there's so many more women involved
50:41
yeah yeah because I think it's their wear at the time a lot of women
50:46
who were into it yeah they didn't well I guess I'm forward you know do you do you
50:52
feel like a Trailblazer in in that situation who said that to me but it was
50:57
circumstance really that yeah got me into it you know I suppose at the time you wouldn't have thought it that way but you you are
51:03
yeah I mean looking back on it I mean there was people like Sandra Garrity and people like that in America who were
51:11
women's sculptors but yeah I was definitely the only one as far as I know how long was it before
51:18
like I know it sounds like a weird question but obviously you're in the sculpting team it was sculpting stuff
51:24
before another female joined I don't think that there was another female
51:29
while I was there but I know of and I don't know about that there's somebody now in the main Design Studio I lost
51:35
touch I wouldn't have a clue yeah um I think there is yeah I think I think
51:42
I think it is what specialist games do you think yeah but most of the women who are on the art side of things were
51:47
artists you know or figure painters you know yeah there wasn't because Anya and
51:53
uh Kirsten has been around for years I saw a person the other day actually yeah yeah she works at Walnut she did I was
51:59
running there signing um things for the talking Miniatures book so yes yeah if
52:04
they give me a tour of forger a fourth world of warlord it feels like old workshops it does oh yeah yeah stickers
52:11
was there and Kirsten so I kept seeing him walk because he left workshop and I kept seeing him walk past that yeah I
52:17
didn't realize that warlord was yeah they're just around the back now strictly must have a job I thought he
52:23
had another Workshop there's that oh he works it no it was nice to see them just angry angrily walking past Workshop
52:29
every day yeah yeah oh yeah nothing better to do yeah yeah I always used to love uh like
52:36
there will be a time where you'd be painting and um Mark Jones and strict had like quite a relationship and straight would just
52:42
turn up and just talk about the latest movie that's on at the cinema and just trash it it was such a funny thing yeah
52:49
I literally just have a podcast and review movies you know you get honest on his trailers yeah this is honest on his
52:55
trailers this is like no no sort of like footing around anything no it's Rants and forage World we're just epic
53:02
you know it would start off in one and you just end up this is gone this is a good one yeah I'm gonna listen to them
53:07
and get some biscuits you could just see you know say something and you just set them off into even a room
53:14
oh brilliant yeah learn his triggers yeah absolutely yeah yeah so um the
53:21
future the future
53:26
um what what other kind of um plans do you have for your your range of it will be it will be added too
53:34
um these days being a a young lady of increasing years a young
53:39
lady of increasing young lady of increasingly I wouldn't see how many of it yeah she I mean she's like I beg your
53:45
pardon himself mature mature lady entering my croon
53:51
face there's worse things are you strategical
53:56
Mrs Crone and she did look like a witch yeah did she have did she have square
54:02
feet I don't know she never took the shoes off yeah she had a wig that was like really you know it's really scavenous
54:09
no this is all mine but no um I've got to the stage where now
54:16
I only spend a certain amount of my time doing the scallops yeah partly because
54:22
my wrist hurts my joints hurt my neck hurts from years and
54:28
years yeah yeah and I can only do a couple of hours before it gets painful
54:34
um but there's loads and loads of ideas and so basically it's
54:40
me writing I mean I've got lots of notes and written stuff about the world which expands and characters within it
54:47
and I've done another thing I do is I like to do watercolors and paintings and stuff awesome which a lot of them will
54:54
appear in this or the characters from it and uh
55:00
yeah it's it's nice to have that balance because I try to get a reasonable amount
55:06
of stuff out but obviously I prefer the bigger stuff as well yeah because these days they're focusing on something nice
55:12
yes have you tried like the the magnifier yeah they just make me feel sick yeah
55:18
I've got special glasses that I put on that are actually prescription ones
55:23
[Music] yeah but
55:29
to me it's a balance now it's a work-life balance you know it's I will make things
55:34
I tend to do it more in the winter when it's or when it's raining yeah it makes sense yeah you know and then I want to
55:40
do other things as well I want to see family yeah you know I've got grandkids now uh We've bought a
55:47
motorhome just before covet so we travel a lot right awesome yeah you know to all
55:52
sorts of places and I can take my Sketchbook and stuff like that and sketch ideas you know not as much
55:57
motorcycling though no not least on the back of the husband's morning right we
56:02
take it yeah we drag it behind the home on a trailer and then zooming off to
56:07
places oh yeah I've always been a bike in one form or another um but yeah it's nice to have that
56:13
balance where I'm very enthusiastic about what I do but I don't break myself doing it yeah
56:20
you know that's the case that you should enjoy yeah because you've done so much for I'll never stop as long as I can see
56:27
and I can yeah wield a sculpting tool I'll always do it because I love it yeah
56:32
but it just wouldn't be nine to five five days a week type yeah yeah you know
56:38
yeah which I think that's the best way yeah yeah because I suppose if you look back to when you're younger
56:43
um you even Rock like say you rocked up a bit later than yeah what why why have like you know who makes this nine to
56:49
five who who created that the man the man the thing is with a creative job as
56:55
well you wake up sometimes you think I just you know you make a mess you make the most awful mess yeah but then you
57:02
have to spend the next day
57:10
looking at the internet thinking what I can do and then seven o'clock at night after I've like put Charlie to bed yeah
57:17
yeah you can do that let's spend the next three four hours like nailing out like a color scheme yeah yeah you've got
57:23
to be in the zone and uh yeah I mean it I think I'm getting a nice balance yeah I've always got something on the goal
57:29
yeah yeah but you know at the moment there's two or three things sort of that I'm working on I'm working on converting
57:37
the troll and I'm also doing these someheritance they're called which are
57:43
swamp they're like swamp hags swamp bags swear kind of favorite kind of hag you
57:49
know skirts made of skins they're very I'm really into um Appalachian folk tales and and there's a podcast of gods
57:56
of Appalachia that I listen to Fantastic wonderful stuff you know there's yeah
58:02
the gods under the earth and the miners and the you know the sort of stag
58:08
creatures and well listen to it if you get a chance brilliant but I'm making haridens that are kind of
58:16
with the same vibe in some ways hints how ridden's that kind of thing
58:21
hints or ghosts yeah that's a word from Appalachian
58:28
places so I'm doing these and they'll be a long straggly hair they're swamp
58:34
creatures I might actually just give them one eye even though they've got human faces yeah yeah and this one yeah
58:41
and a sort of plagy Swampy dragon is being sketched at the moment as well so
58:47
that's the next little direction is just a slightly did you do this by the way
58:52
did yes yeah there's yeah there'll be I suppose
58:58
you can't help but he's kind of no it's a slightly darker
59:04
side to some of the stuff yeah you know so um I've got one question go on then
59:11
uh it's one that like other schools have been asked if you were to go back yeah and make one change to a model of your
59:17
choice would you have you got like a project that you like I'd like to have done that different now and what I know
59:23
now or having the experience of doing things everything everything okay all of it no
59:30
that's on the internet well yeah I mean you could see the old stuff but there again you didn't have the experience in those
59:36
days so you were doing it you know I think you always look back I think if you do something and you're really 100
59:44
happy with it you're not doing it right because yeah you know yeah you should always want the next
59:49
thing to be better everything she could be tweaked everything could be improved yeah absolutely it's not even meant to stop yeah that's the thing that's what I
59:55
find difficult is I get so involved and yeah and stuff yeah apart from feathers
1:00:01
damned feathers and it's worth noting as well I only found this out that you've painted all
1:00:07
the things for the website yeah which is amazing
1:00:17
world and he painted the Cyclops and the Hydra because they were
1:00:23
originally done for food store for their Mythic um supplement for Immortal Gods we had
1:00:29
poor Hicks on yesterday uh people and he yeah he's a talented chat well he's a
1:00:35
very talented that's how much of his stuff I've painted in the years it's so good but that he's moving into doing
1:00:40
like like Orcs yeah they're fantastic they're fantastic yeah seen some of those merged with some of these will be
1:00:46
quite interesting yeah they're really nice figures yeah you got a question to ask uh I've got
1:00:52
I'm just going through some of the patreon questions is there cheese related well
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um not cheese not yet well we we usually always get asked by our Pages we had a cheese Club oh you did I remember that
1:01:07
oh my God cheese Club no was that rule number one rule number one we are now yeah we had a
1:01:15
we had a cheesecake and we'll see no more they start to incorporate that into
1:01:21
publication yeah I didn't do it as well uh yeah because no one would forget it
1:01:27
was like every it was like 12 o'clock the last Friday of every month and
1:01:33
everyone would forget and then when you die and you're like oh I want this cheese Club again because no one cares rubbish because they brought like Dairy
1:01:40
mini babies yeah it had to be something different yeah have you ever seen a full-size baby
1:01:47
belly well because I don't do they exist because the little red like mini baby
1:01:52
bells which implies that there's one that isn't me no it's true
1:01:57
like these big ones that they're all down the hills you know yeah what wasted cheese in uh gloss where you win the
1:02:04
cheese and the gloucestershire don't you yeah it's in wax oh is it yeah it's not just
1:02:11
like it's not just the naked cheese yeah um so a couple of questions have been
1:02:17
sort of like what's what's your favorite Scopes um and if you could go back uh
1:02:24
sorry so we need to apologize to Andrew and Phil um yeah you got there first yeah uh but
1:02:31
Phil has asked not not necessarily what's your favorite uh sculpt but
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what did you have the most fun sculpting oh no
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I love doing the slan yeah because I love Aztec type imagery they were good
1:02:52
a lot of it was the crease the creatures um finishing rules like I've mentioned
1:02:57
before I love doing them um the troll hag for you know the trogath and whatever they call them now
1:03:03
trogathag for Forge World yeah I really enjoyed that because I could embarrass so many people with it especially 12
1:03:10
year olds at Wednesday it's like they'd look at it you know the eye level and it'd be like
1:03:18
but that was a great one that was a fun one to do just a quick one to diverse did you do any of the yoga Kingdom stuff
1:03:24
uh did I do because there was a female uh with a yetis no I didn't do the
1:03:30
August I did the yetis and the gorgeous I remember the gorgeous yeah gorgeous yeah very violent looking dudes
1:03:37
but you know anything that's got a bit of a sense of humor in it preferably a bit of rudeness a bit of you know yeah
1:03:43
yeah a bit character I think it was Mark Holmes um he painted one of the yetis and he
1:03:49
made the because because it was like they had like yeah like ice weapons that's right and he made it look like translucent ice wow really weird because
1:03:57
it like I'm always amazed because it was almost like you could see like other parts of the awards yeah but yeah so
1:04:04
yeah yeah very very cracking job that's nice yeah sorry diverse
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it's all part of the show um so Scott asks do you think you will
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Embark down the road with 3D printed monsters no yeah no I just haven't got the time
1:04:23
yeah or the inclination to do everything yeah I like to think you know there's so
1:04:28
much plastic and 3D and stuff now I'm going for the this is handmade yeah yeah
1:04:34
this is exclusive yeah it's gonna become so rare people do that skill um I just
1:04:39
don't oops sorry microphone uh I just don't have the the time or the energy to sort of yeah
1:04:46
go down all that you know I mean I have a zed brush at home and I've used it a
1:04:51
few times but it's you know it's it's fun but I mean it's not as much fun
1:04:57
as clay I've used illustration Photoshop but I just prefer using a pencil and a sketch you know I want to do stuff by
1:05:03
hand and I think that it could be a skill that eventually if not saying it's going to be lost I like
1:05:09
a lost star but there's less and less people doing it well it's awesome and we had this conversation with Gary you know
1:05:15
when people used to mock his models or the gash and stuff it's like remember how big they are hand done I know it's
1:05:21
like it's more and more difficult the older you get to actually focused on it but yeah I think it's also
1:05:26
I mean a lot of the the 3D printed and the plastic kits they're wonderful they're beautifully sculpted wonderful
1:05:33
posies I really like a lot of them but there are almost too perfect
1:05:40
they're almost too sort of we can tell where bits have been
1:05:46
mirrored where you know and yeah you can tell where a bit's been taken off another bit and put in and changed and
1:05:51
and to me it's the sort of it's the it's the Bob Ross happy little accidents yeah that happens when you're
1:05:58
using something like clay yeah the make it I don't know it just makes it more real
1:06:05
to me well the way I I see is that when you look at like churches or monasteries about that and it's all been hand carved
1:06:10
yeah yeah the Marlon and all the the archways and stuff like that when then you go to like modern day buildings yeah
1:06:16
it's just a plaster cast yeah so you can tell straight yeah yeah it's like Flawless yeah whereas that it's got this
1:06:21
it's beautiful but also it has like little imperfections yeah I mean it's like when you see a painting you can
1:06:27
actually look at the brush Strokes yeah yeah as opposed to something that's been done you know in Photoshop or something which can be wonderful yeah yeah and you
1:06:35
know at the moment with AI at least still this hasn't quite effects
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[Music] um going to see a van Gogh exhibit yeah
1:06:48
in York and I think they've taken over like this abandoned church and they project all his art everywhere and all
1:06:54
that stuff oh yeah it's traveled around I think yeah and yeah and and that was
1:06:59
really cool and I was like oh like I wonder if you could paint Marines like Van Gogh that would be really fun and I
1:07:05
got like a book and I was looking through his art and and you think oh these pictures are great and this that and the other but then going to the
1:07:13
National Gallery in London and actually seeing that same picture and all the texture and the brush strokes and should
1:07:19
probably edit to myself um was it just that whole additional
1:07:25
level of just being like Oh like I can imagine him there painting it and then seeing all this and what does that mean
1:07:31
and like that extra level of detail yeah is phenomenal it was like recently we were down visiting my brother down he's
1:07:37
down near Portsmouth and we're a national excuse yourself
1:07:45
down uh visiting him in Portsmouth and we went to sort of a couple of national
1:07:51
trusts and a couple of other Galleries and there was wonderful collections of pre-raphaelite hmm of pre-raphaelite and
1:07:58
some Turners and all sorts of stuff that I hadn't seen in the flesh before this
1:08:03
Rosetti that's quite a famous one and it's just you know you're standing that close to it just looking at how it's all
1:08:10
yeah to me that's just you're getting a a real look into the artist's mind and I
1:08:17
think you can in a way with scolds it can be similar you can see
1:08:23
where decisions have been made you can see where it's like with my stuff a lot of it's very involved but with
1:08:30
things that aren't trees which are covered in stuff anyway I try to leave spaces where
1:08:36
things can be painted yeah behind or you know yeah it's being aware of of not
1:08:43
everybody is a world-class painter and yeah you want people to feel proud and happy of what they've painted
1:08:50
yes but if they want to try something like this they could dry brush it and it would look good yeah you know because
1:08:55
it's got that kind of texture on it yeah it's all about the textures and yeah you know
1:09:01
yeah because we did have a world-class painter honors a guest a few weeks ago who was that uh Richard
1:09:07
Gray oh gosh Richard fantastic yes and he also said that he prefers the spaces
1:09:14
in between stuff like he doesn't like too much detail either because then you can let your own imagination goes yes
1:09:20
yeah yeah yeah and I thought that was really interesting because I think the argument that I'd seen a lot online was
1:09:29
um there's too much detail and they're making everything for really high-end painters and then speaking to a high-end painter he was like no I hate it like I
1:09:35
want to be able to show off my own skin I think that that's that's one of the problems with digital art because you
1:09:41
can keep zooming in zooming in zooming in you can end up with you know Spaghetti
1:09:47
Junction because you've put so much on it you know yeah yeah something beautiful yeah it's horrible Divergence
1:09:55
that comment as well like I I saw a few people say oh no there's the reason why they have so much detail now is for people that paint with contrast or
1:10:01
something has been going on for a little yeah the contrast picks it up well yeah absolutely but there's still lots of
1:10:07
plain armored Marines but they've still got like a the world's allocation of like pouches and yeah and sometimes it's
1:10:13
just it's almost too much it's like it's what Clippers are for Trish well yeah
1:10:18
but it's almost like three figures worth of stuff and and I get why they're doing it
1:10:24
because they can you know and and it just should well yeah yeah true bless
1:10:30
you bless me indeed hay fever um oh God it's hideous this year yeah yeah like
1:10:35
dumped up the eyeballs and antihistamines yes like I don't well me and my my partner we're sort of like we
1:10:42
don't have hay fever but we're sneezing a bit more than we ever have this year so
1:10:54
um I'm all right thinking that you did the metal tree beard I did yes I did which was yeah I didn't do very much for
1:11:02
Lord of the Rings but I did Treebeard shallob this meant the Eagles oh yes so that was
1:11:10
great to be involved in that in a small week there were metal ones yeah because uh
1:11:15
someone said um oh I remember the metal tree man I was 12 and I got it I thought he was 12.
1:11:22
and I was overwhelmed on how to paint it so my my dad who liked painting with oils uh painted it for me and then his
1:11:31
question is what miniature brings you a good memory brings me a good memory
1:11:37
I'd have to say probably that first range of beastmen yeah because
1:11:43
it was my very first range I'd done it was
1:11:48
great fun to do I was just allowed to run with it I'd be totally wacky and I
1:11:54
felt really proud of myself when I finished them and the fact they were going on sale and people were buying
1:11:59
them yeah and I would start to see them pop up at game stays painted and
1:12:05
people's armies and things and it's like oh that's a really good memory yeah brilliant you know
1:12:11
um and then uh the gunwich starts his question off by saying oh my
1:12:17
God your reputation proceeds as long as it's
1:12:24
a bad one oh no it says do you have any plans on re-releasing the marauder giant
1:12:31
they're not as Irish to really to no release I mean what about we scooped it
1:12:38
yeah I mean it would be lovely I would love to
1:12:45
re-release them but they belong to Workshop yeah they were workshops yeah
1:12:52
so even although the company was dissolved and no longer exists now yeah it's a very gray area but you know you
1:13:00
do get people like you know um Tim pro you know die hard and Drew he
1:13:07
does a lot yeah of old Styles which are pretty much those figures just slightly
1:13:15
but to me I don't I don't want to go back and redo
1:13:23
something that I've done in the past yeah that looks 90 like it I want to do my own stuff yeah now it will have a
1:13:31
kind of a feel of my order yeah because that's what I love that sort of thing yeah but I would never do one do
1:13:38
something it's like like the tree man it's similar in some ways to the old ones but it's not you know it's got a
1:13:44
similar silhouette but when you're yeah it's very you know if we were able to re-release maraudia God would be doing a
1:13:50
in a heartbeat you know unfortunately we can't
1:13:55
I don't know whether Brian might still have some yeah it's possible yeah I've still got loads of the greens but yeah
1:14:02
well yeah so for anyone that's watching that and you know because I know everything uh
1:14:09
um Mirada Miniatures was your own company that you set up or and then got absorbed into Games Workshop yeah it was
1:14:15
kind of still part of Workshop but okay we were the the thicker heads if you'll hike of it I'm right okay yeah fantastic
1:14:22
um okay Michael asks uh what's my brother doing on here
1:14:31
um do you play much uh with your Miniatures or are you mainly focused on the creative side I think I've played
1:14:37
two games of War
1:14:43
I mean we used to play things like Talisman and some of the board games you know yeah good fun but no my interest
1:14:49
has never been in the playing side it's been in the art
1:14:54
side of it you know the creative side of it yeah I just you know rolling Dice and
1:15:00
Counting you know that was never my scene you know yeah yeah
1:15:06
it's never been my strong point to feel my muscle level twice
1:15:12
same I nearly did but I brought it back yeah
1:15:18
um okay so Damon asks uh I still think you're full of starts off with a statement I still think your four
1:15:23
greater demons are iconic I've still got a um I think I may have donated to Silks to
1:15:31
paint Nook all right but the keeper Secrets oh yeah in this box yeah um yeah and the horse face
1:15:39
so the question that's attached to it yeah uh I've had to read it several times to make sure to try and pronounce
1:15:44
everything correctly do you feel that some of the old school cryptozoology and
1:15:50
mythology has been lost in games workshops current fantasy settings I think it's moved on
1:15:58
I don't I think the core is still there but you know you've got to expect things to move on yeah you know I think
1:16:06
yes a new races probably it's different um
1:16:12
but I think the the route is still there it's just sometimes it's evolved so far that it's
1:16:19
maybe hard to find that route but just for any views that might not know what that means is that suggesting like
1:16:24
making beats weird beasts and creatures well let's I mean
1:16:33
zoology thing is is kind of what a lot of this stuff was to a degree because
1:16:38
it's such a rich vein to mine for weird and wonderful creatures as is mythology
1:16:44
but as Workshop progressed and grew bigger and bigger
1:16:49
and started the Plastics there were so many more of their own ideas coming in
1:16:55
whereas maybe in the beginning we had taken certain ideas yeah inspired
1:17:01
inspired by and made them into figures or artwork they still do it to some degree because
1:17:07
you can see it in some of the figures but I don't think as much I think they're trying to make it theirs yeah
1:17:14
yeah you know and get the IP completely 100 GW yeah yeah which I guess they
1:17:20
can't have to from a legal perspective it'll be interesting to see well you know from the old world eventually comes out you know where that takes us yeah
1:17:26
yeah you know yeah I mean like for me the battalions have been announced but yeah the biggest things they had was
1:17:32
like trying to move away to make platoons more Games Workshop because they are just French Knights yeah yeah
1:17:38
old feudal Medieval Nights yeah I imagine I think you know some people might be disappointed in that they're
1:17:45
workshopped up a bit Yeah and they're not just nights copies of what came before but I think it's I don't think
1:17:51
they they'll do that because obviously it's need more skulls on it you would need your skulls yeah you have to move
1:17:57
it on to a degree but I just hope they bring back you know things like the familiar I love
1:18:03
the familiar oh yeah you know some of the more yeah I do not he's like a it's like a cyclops
1:18:12
femorian type yeah so uh the first time I ever stumbled across it probably I
1:18:17
might have seen him yeah yeah it was double edited yeah ax
1:18:24
you know just bringing back maybe some of the stuff that's not covered as much at the moment would be would be great
1:18:31
you know yeah I think we've been like agency when they do like the um
1:18:36
cursed City or yeah silver Tower they're the kind of place where you can get some of some of those things like the what do
1:18:42
they call the wood um you know where they're under the forest and underneath that I can't remember
1:18:49
they've got a name for that oh I don't know you know it's one of the the supplement pack things I can't remember what they call it so many of them there
1:18:55
yeah but some of the some of the figures narrow wood that's it some of the figures for that yeah just fantastic
1:19:00
yeah underworld is great for that yeah little set push fit yeah lots of ideas because they did the
1:19:15
which is really cool I think I really I mean I like those little ranges better than the main ranges and a lot of the
1:19:22
time because they're they're just a little bit more out there yeah a little bit more sideways you know
1:19:28
yeah yeah so yeah maybe a premier War button down there yeah that'd be cool
1:19:34
um Matt Dutton asks hardest anatomical feature to sculpt artist anatomical featured sculpt
1:19:42
see it and that's immediately where my favorite is
1:19:47
yeah great minds I'm gonna say it
1:19:54
it's probably hands and feet yeah hands and feet are and and getting the head
1:20:00
shape properly in fact yeah to me is a really you know which is why fantasy is good because you can stretch
1:20:07
it and you know it's fantasy yes yeah no you have to know kind of that it's right
1:20:13
but I find feet really diplomatic at times interesting drawing
1:20:18
I hate feet and hands can be a bit tricky hands are better than fever as an
1:20:24
artist called wrong stuff and for a long time I got I I came
1:20:29
to the conclusion he doesn't like doing the feet because most of his feet are falling down like that yeah or you just never see you don't see them yeah I'm
1:20:35
like you don't like doing feet over this is good I'm not alone I remember in um for one of my like GCSE art pieces yeah
1:20:44
um I'd drawn uh like one of the guitarists from like Slipknot like because they wear all the
1:20:49
masks and everything and I've drawn the guitar and I've drawn him and then I like tried drawing his feet and I was
1:20:55
just like nah when they were playing it was just dry ice
1:21:01
yeah I think when animals horses I just hate making horses oh it's a fantastic
1:21:08
um oh a tapestry where someone is like have you seen a horse oh yeah yeah no worries
1:21:14
I've seen one with cats as well yes yeah
1:21:19
like I think just drawing just in general can just be so hard like there's
1:21:24
an amazing um it's either a collection of images or a video where someone says from memory
1:21:32
draw a bike oh gotcha and and you think right okay well it's made up of
1:21:37
triangles it's got two round things yeah and I'll see if I can find them to put them over because just imagine you're
1:21:44
getting something really good Chris yeah yeah and you're like that that would never work yeah it is it is amazing yeah
1:21:53
um okay so David apologies your questions already been covered uh the
1:22:00
great unclean one the great uncle was Slash is one of my favorite Miniatures it was featured cuddly isn't it he's
1:22:07
cuddly and lovely have you just thrown have you ever seen the great clean one
1:22:12
so you know the plastic room clean one it's terrifying someone has filled all the gaps and I would say it's more scary
1:22:19
I can imagine I need to look for that it's terrible I'll uh I'll show you right now okay
1:22:25
I'll let it to myself so people can see it oh my God that's like something out of a
1:22:32
serial killer horror movie no no that's disturbing yeah it's really
1:22:38
disturbing I think it's worse yeah I think it's worse that's like going for the emperor
1:22:48
we'll just believe that yeah
1:22:54
um yeah some heresy got spoken right you're allowed to have your opinions no
1:23:00
no it's just you okay it was featured
1:23:05
in the first white dwarf I ever bought right um
1:23:10
and it says what is your favorite greater demon oh
1:23:16
I think it's got to be nurgle yeah I really enjoy nurgle because it's again you know it's disgusting and you know
1:23:23
icky and yeah did you enjoy doing pustules I very much enjoyed it
1:23:29
I'm very much and maggots and tentacles
1:23:37
and trails hanging out yeah that's the one I love like scenes things like the New England's just nibbling on and
1:23:42
trails or just like swinging off them yeah well I mean I was always told I was not a proper girl because I was such a
1:23:49
tomboy hated Barbie and all that kind of thing and it was always like dinosaurs horror movies you know
1:24:00
what you're doing your own time of your business I was gonna have a hobby yes
1:24:06
yes just don't tell me you're into My Little Pony as well Bobby reminds them
1:24:12
that's how she gets to working back I mean because it's uh you could be a brony can't you yeah
1:24:17
it's disturbing is that like I don't know enough about it but I think there's the like Pony My Little Pony yeah but it
1:24:24
has its own world and the war and all sorts like it's I know if it makes you happy yeah if it makes you happy yeah
1:24:30
okay uh Lewis also asks uh are there any projects you wish to done at Games
1:24:37
Workshop so many projects I wished I'd done hmm that's a very good question
1:24:44
um hmm there's a lot probably no I mean
1:24:51
I think at the time everybody had their strengths yeah
1:24:57
and I had so much to do with what I was doing that
1:25:03
I didn't really and actually I was involved in a lot of projects because so many armies would have a monster or a
1:25:08
creature yes that's true so in some way I was involved and I never really wanted
1:25:13
to make the sort of 32 millimeter size stuff as much I enjoy doing the bigger stuff yeah
1:25:20
um so the one doesn't stand out as something that I would have you know
1:25:26
stamped my feet because I didn't get to do it because I did get it some involvement and a lot of them you know
1:25:33
yeah very good fan of the um you're involved in this is the cast of lamasu
1:25:40
Taurus I didn't do did you not do anything I was a big fan of the beard no yeah yeah no I didn't I think it's the
1:25:47
longest year that's the beard um didn't do him no no he doesn't trust you
1:25:54
to make beards probably not foreign
1:26:01
I saw the um so I think when uh
1:26:07
peachy said oh we're going to get Trish on there like was I've been looking at your Instagram and stuff like that and I saw I guess originally like like the
1:26:15
question I asked earlier a little bit was like the older like hand-sculpted stuff I kind of look at it and go that
1:26:22
sounds sculpted yeah but then I saw the the massive tyranid that you made for 4 12. yeah the day McCarron yeah yeah I'm
1:26:30
glad you pronounced it that's right because I looked at it and I was like
1:26:35
yes maybe one range I'd like to have done more for today um due to Starship Troopers
1:26:42
yeah such a great thing aliens yeah I supposed to go down the road yeah yeah um and I looked at that and I was like
1:26:49
oh my God like yeah that was hand done and and I thought I was insane like
1:26:55
somebody could have told me that that was digital and plastic fiddly as heck with all the
1:27:00
bits coming out the chest and yeah but yeah yeah yeah yeah I enjoyed that one I
1:27:06
like that one um that I've done a couple of littler ones
1:27:14
in the past but that's the main the main one okay Dave Dave coming in with a classic
1:27:20
painting phase question I.E a bit silly uh I like silly good if you're most
1:27:27
recently sculpted miniature was on a ceaseless mission to come and assassinate you
1:27:33
which which of your other Miniatures would you pick to be your protector well now
1:27:41
oh I think this guy would protect me yes I think yeah it's a griffin peachy it's
1:27:46
an eagle guy he's a griffin yeah
1:27:51
I'm paying attention to the breeze do you know nothing you do protect me yeah fantastic and
1:27:58
then who would be coming to assassinate you who's your most recent please please
1:28:04
yeah well it could be actually no the one that will be coming out soon that I'm just going to pick up the First
1:28:11
cast of this week is another tree man which was based on a drawing I did which is
1:28:17
like a forearm just got like this mouth that's spiky and he's got yours and you
1:28:23
know and he's he's not Venture his name is Venture so he's not very nice so we could pick him up and just drop him in a
1:28:29
volcano yeah yeah he could yeah sweet so I think that yeah I think that the new one would definitely have a goal yeah
1:28:34
yeah fantastic she's a grumpy one he's particularly grumpy he's got a grumpy
1:28:40
face oh he's just got a horrible face a real spiky you know spiky spiky
1:28:47
um no wonder he's grumpy if you could sculpt a new breed of Chaos
1:28:52
xenos Eamon uh what would you want the outcome to look like I guess we've maybe
1:28:59
mentioned yeah I might go for
1:29:06
something along the lines of some of the old Bastille horn God type
1:29:13
wendigo type oh yeah weird
1:29:18
so it's kind of like a bit of Beast Manny in a way but not quite a bit of beastmany but
1:29:24
again it's some of these old Legends of yeah things in the woods I love things in the Woods in Dark Places you know and
1:29:31
it's it's all the sort of wendigo type shape shifters you know you could have this creature that was
1:29:39
bits of other creatures on it and just have something that was just this weird pretty chaosy like a forest version of
1:29:45
the thing oh yeah like that might be quite fun terrified yeah that does sound good fun yeah
1:29:51
actually also imagine that film in a forest instead of the uh the Arctic that would that would be interesting
1:29:57
uh someone has said can't wait for you to restart Marauder Miniatures when Ali Ali goes into retirement winky face yeah
1:30:05
um oh we've chatted about how great it would be if that could be done but yeah
1:30:11
um oh crikey uh Adam Langford you have to swap jobs with one of the three hosts
1:30:18
for a week um so do you paint an Army in 12 hours
1:30:23
film and edit the whole process or uh or Jeff who said I can't be here he is a
1:30:29
barber by Trace oh no quite fancy that yeah yeah just number zero all over it yeah yeah
1:30:35
well let me ask someone with scissors so you can make out there
1:30:41
quite good there's some good colors on yeah yeah yeah fantastic they're
1:30:47
definitely Barbara yeah definitely um okay and someone said if you were still
1:30:53
at Games Workshop um what could you see yourself working on at the moment or what would you like
1:30:59
to work the old world probably yeah yeah right up my street yeah it's not a face
1:31:05
sad face why is it coming back hello but it's missing a key element
1:31:10
oh yeah hence sad face I'm sure what comes out will be fantastic they've got
1:31:16
some great designers fantastic but not fantastic cool
1:31:40
yeah fantastic good yeah yeah we've got through all of our uh
1:31:46
you suggested a giveaway yes um I will let these these lovely Lads
1:31:53
find the question and everything but basically any figure that you would like from the
1:31:58
Haro Hurst range from biggest to smallest but I choose biggest because they're more expensive
1:32:04
um yeah winner of the question winner of the random whatever yeah he gets to uh Kenny
1:32:13
is any figure so you've got the Cyclops and the harpy which not the harpy the Hydra which are big you've got these
1:32:19
guys in front here yeah one item off the website any choice yep and then we just get their their address and then you
1:32:27
guys might will send it to them yeah yeah so um yeah so I think the question could be what was the first range that
1:32:34
Trish worked on on her own and got released yeah that she was proud of nice
1:32:40
questions see who's been listening yeah and everyone that is watching this is for patrons only so if you want to be
1:32:45
part of this join our patreon uh minimal is uh three pound a month uh if you do put your answer into the comments in
1:32:51
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1:32:58
the patrons are the answers yeah it helps it helps everyone and I
1:33:05
will do my plug that if you want to take a good look at what I've been doing in the past you know all the old figures
1:33:11
there's my Facebook page yeah which is Trish Gardens miniature and design oh and then there's monster girl Trish on
1:33:18
Instagram so I've been totally enjoying a couple of times a week with old stuff and memories and yeah new stuff as well
1:33:25
some of those recent photos that are worth checking out yeah yeah I thought I saw like a rogue Bob Naismith in the
1:33:30
corner there was a road Bob new Smith yeah there's a couple of pictures of him I've got another batch I'll put up yeah
1:33:36
or we were out to put Trish's details on these of course yeah in the description so we can easily navigate to it would be
1:33:41
much appreciated yeah yeah well and you know anybody on the on the socials if
1:33:47
you've got questions and stuff you know I'm happy to chit chat it's great for me to talk to people who supported me for
1:33:52
such a long time you know and just you know listen to to what they have to say so I think yeah
1:33:58
so yeah yeah that's awesome I think don't be surprised by how many people uh you probably impact over the years were
1:34:04
just like the Creations you've made and stuff because I found this every time I went carry on when we had uh yeah yeah
1:34:09
the other day Bob I mean Bob I was so surprised by even like non Games Workshop stuff yeah
1:34:16
test Cricket yeah yeah he's done such a variety he's prolific
1:34:23
it's quite interesting um hearing people's the different routes people
1:34:29
have taken um and how he's sort of gone digital now yes he has um well it's a good thing
1:34:34
because his desk was just a health hazard it's like milliputs and Dustin green
1:34:42
stuff and there's always who's the worst the Perry twins I lent them 300 the movie with Gerard
1:34:50
Butler and uh they were I think it wasn't long before we were all moving downstairs yeah and I said to I think it
1:34:55
was Alan because he was like oh I've not seen it yeah so I've got it if you want to borrow it's like oh I brought it and it was like a year later I was like have
1:35:01
you still got 300 I was like oh I'm gonna make it yeah [Music]
1:35:19
left and they just stick it this pile of just
1:35:24
[Music] two of the upstairs toilets you know in
1:35:30
um the design studio above yeah well I wouldn't if it was the men's time but this is gonna be a question what's the
1:35:36
idea that did you used to go into the toilet and sculpt as well the Perry's because Bob Bob said like oh
1:35:43
like you know they're big green stuff on the floor of cubicle toilets and then through the various sculptors that we've
1:35:49
talked to they were like oh yeah the Perrys could scuff on the top they could sculpt with an ice shot basically you
1:35:54
know there was green stuff everywhere though you know just like yeah stuck to your shoes
1:36:01
maybe that's why they went digital just to save on cleaning yeah but yeah
1:36:08
uh fun days indeed yeah it really does sound like the Wild West it's great it was yeah it's like the wild west yeah
1:36:14
yeah yeah well thank you very much Trish well thank you it's been awesome I've enjoyed it yeah good yeah it's nice to
1:36:20
like to talk about people's histories and stuff and get it out there Adventure this is just turned into a mass documentary of Games Workshop yeah I
1:36:27
think I think we're going that way aren't we we're gonna have to do like it's nice though yeah because it's just you know when you're talking to people
1:36:33
like this things spark off ideas and yeah you know yeah definitely and you remember things yeah yeah but your adult
1:36:41
brain is forgotten yeah I think it's it's really great as well from a a
1:36:47
perspective of of I guess it's we we know your name like and we can't say
1:36:54
it's awesome like please like come on to the show and talk about your experiences and and at some stage uh like I don't
1:37:01
know like maybe like a there'll be a void or somebody might say someone might get in touch with us and say I promise I
1:37:08
sculpted at Games Workshop and you'll just have I was proud to take my word for it yeah it's such a shame yeah I
1:37:13
think I really think it should be credited yeah I really do because it gives that Personal Touch as well that
1:37:19
personal connection yeah and you know I've known you for a fair few years yeah you've never had an ego about it you
1:37:25
just go in and do your job and I think that's the weird thing is that there's this this really no because
1:37:32
yeah there are a few of them no but no I mean as far as I'm concerned
1:37:39
I think I've been hugely lucky yeah to wake up on a Monday morning and think
1:37:44
yeah I'm I'm going to work yeah and you know most of the time enjoy it yeah and
1:37:51
you know being able to do something like this it's just been a joy yeah yeah I think every job I've fallen to
1:37:57
has been look yeah and a bit of skill obviously I won't put myself down too it's often who you know and you know
1:38:03
you're in the right place at the right time basically yeah and absolutely yeah all good all good
1:38:09
brilliant I'm gonna eat some cookies yes cookies cookies yeah well I can tell about the
1:38:15
noises I'll reach you to the cookies

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