Sculpting BETTER MINIATURES than Warhammer: Valbjorn

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hello I'm Jeff hello I'm Patrick and today we are joined by the full-time fenrisian
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fabricator Jason or valorn hi hello there hi so happy I managed to get that
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out oh well well you did well thank you another another gold star on the fridge for you later there we go thank you
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Daddy remember when you get 10 you can have a Lo box Space Marines yes I'm very
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excited see we went off the rail straight straight away how it goes because there is no there is no rhyme no
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reasons this thank you very much for joining us thank you for having me oh you're very very welcome um whistle
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stops Whistle Stop tour of the UK at the moment you're on uh what sort of stop am
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I on no Whistle Stop T whistle stopped very quick yes yes yeah yeah it is very
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quick but it's it's uh very impactful I've got a lot of uh lot of really cool things lined up so cool and you've so
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far um your time here in notam you've been sculpting you've been running a
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sculpting Workshop haven't you yeah I had a two-day workshop at TSN Arena yeah it was really great had 16 students they
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all did so well I'm so proud of them they did amazing it was great made some really good connections and and even
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after the class it's weird because you know you don't really see people's faces when you follow them on Instagram and
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after the class I started seeing the post roll up oh and look what I learned in valor's class and I'm like I've been
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following you for years like how did I not know that that was yeah cool you
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know some of them were pretty quiet you know they weren't as outspoken as as maybe I am you know when I'm just meeting new people in teacher mode yeah
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so it was really great to see that kind of stuff had that experience yeah excellent so before we carry on with
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that Jason Valor yeah how did this whole become a thing how far back are we going
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for your interactions with plastic plastic soldiers and then your adapting
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of plastic soldiers where does this all begin yeah so for me it was heroquest seems to be a bit of an in for
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a lot of people um but that's a great segue into kind of my when that was introduced to
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me I I want to say I was probably 8 to 10 years old y um grew up in rural
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Illinois in the US and we didn't really have Warhammer around we had a bookstore we had a comic book store so a lot of my
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early influences were comic books and video games I had Nintendo Power rolling in each month and uh it was just that
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that made a big impact but when I when my dad broke open heroquest and sat there with the DM screen and you know we
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were rolling Dice and we pushing the minis around and oh we're really in a little dungeon right now we're pushing minis around I was like okay this is
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where it's at and then I discovered uh Warhammer fantasy when I went to college and got to a bigger city um and built
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some chaos Warriors and stuff like that and that was around 2004 or so then discovered Space Wolves
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around 2010 fell out of the hobby for a little while did some other stuff and then 2019 hit and I really dug in like a
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lot of people through the pandemic and that's I have uh a background in Ceramics so I've always been pushing
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putty and Clay around and stuff like that but really got serious with sculpting on the minis because I really
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love Space Wolves so much yeah and the kits I were I was buying I was looking
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at the spacewolves and the codexes and looking at my favorite illustrations and thinking like this is raw I really want
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these these raw barbaric figures like how can I make that feel real uh in The
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Minis and so I set out on my on my Saga uh to create you know that feeling when
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you're looking at a mini and it feels big when you start to shrink down those details like that and you have the big
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armor chunky arm armor panels and you got those fine little details that you're starting to discover when you're looking at the mini it's like okay this
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is epic now and that's the vibe I I I strive for yeah yeah so you um you said
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you started out in was Ceramics your your day job initially at first uh Ceramics was so I had my BFA in Ceramics
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I thought I wanted to teach Ceramics um and my parents are both ceramic artists oh wow so they've had a studio all
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growing up um I was out there making little making little men out of clay and mushrooms and all kinds of weird little
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organic stuff um and just thought I would follow in their footsteps they had
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the life right they had the freedom they could just walk out to their studio and do what they wanted um and I was very
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fortunate for that it was a really big influence on me and so that's what I thought I wanted to do of course
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graduating uh College I wasn't really grown up yet I didn't know what I wanted to do um and so I just kind of that sort
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of fizzled out afterwards i' worked your your normal jobs for quite a while including some pretty unique jobs along
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the way that that you know if you want to ask about I'll tell you but yeah you CU When we um uh put out there we we met
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and spoke on uh a friend of ours Ross Graham him of f Hammer we were on his
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40th birthday the other night 4th birthday party the other night and we were talking a little bit then that
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you'd been up until recently when working with large scale metal sculptures as well yeah in art
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fabrication yeah yeah and you've just now finally put that to bed and moved
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into this fulltime that's right yeah and that was a big move for me it was uh quite the leap of faith I guess yeah and
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as has the fear left or are you still c yeah it's gone yeah it's G good good so
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are you getting much of this done in in the states as well are of uh running um
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running classes uh so this was actually my first oh sculpting Workshop um which
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was a little bit of a doozy you know for the first one with 16 students and hosted by Cult of paint I was like okay
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don't mess this up but but I have teaching experience with Ceramics and so I you know I knew I could carry myself
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in a room of students but it's very difficult when you're the challenge is having the students see what you're
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doing because he you know you're making such small Maneuvers everything's so
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little but the real value of an inperson classes you get to go around to each student and you get to show them how to
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hold the tools and you get to you know help them manipulate it and really turn the light bulb on and it and it worked out really well um yeah but I have more
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workshops lined up in the States oh excellent excellent so coming to adep con yeah I've got a couple workshops at
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adepticon and I'm going to be teaching in NOA later in the year as well oh fantastic yeah yeah that's really cool
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we'll be we we'll show we'll catch up with there as well cuz we'll be Absolut to so um um your main love then
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really Space Wolves yeah yeah and and to be fair they are probably of the um the
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Space Marine chapters they are probably the one that lends themselves I think to probably the most converting and and
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adding things to I think isn't it yeah it's that great balance of fantasy and sci-fi I love the barbaric feel of them
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and I love sculpting organic things yeah it's just it just hits me good you know
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and and I as I've started to into it and I started to post on Instagram I it
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really sunk in how passionate space Wolf players are about that same feeling of
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creating a mini that really hits you good well I was um back in the back in
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the day I had a very brief run of playing of having a Space Marine chapter that had no had nothing attach them of
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being a just had painted a color I liked and off went and then Third Edition
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space Wolf codex came out and and they David Gallagher yeah yeah and and they
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came out and I was like oh they they look really cool and they're a bit diff the something you know the're Marines
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but no that codex has such good illustrations in it yeah I reference it
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all the time it's and it was and it was and you say through the illustrations it
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was where I really went oh an G there's something really different with the guys you know you know even the cover you
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know Sparks you go there's a guy with something akin to like a mohawk big plots and he's he's given an he's given
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an arc the end of an ax and you know and it's a really out in the snow and you think I oh these these appeal but I
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think the um I think um the the the sad thing has always been with them I think
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they um they've they're never quite the illustrate and this has
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always been a thing with Games Workshop as much as I love them is the illustration never pushes the the
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miniature never quite pushes as far on as the illustration does and I think and I think if you if you had been a man of
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a different era that I think I would have been and you know sadly before the days of Instagram you I'd have been like
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this to you because although I still am because your work's amazing but I think
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you know I wish someone was around then who was being the ability to to go this
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is how you do fair and this is how you do that but back then it was because there was no there was no social media
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there was no PL like YouTube you know trying to get this information was really quite difficult you know and I
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think I bought green stuff once put a beard on a chaplain it was a chaplain
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Queen with a motorbike and then did that painted it and then thought you know what I will never ever do that
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again it didn't go very well but um yeah I think um I think I think the problem
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has been I think for the space walls I think they um the the when games were actually shop
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do support them it never pushes quite far enough yeah I mean there's a balance right I mean you have to you're making
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Minis that are easily paintable you're making Minis that can uh survive the production process um of the tooling
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that has to go into those steel moles for the injection holding process and a lot of the details that I like to
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represent on the mini are not really it wouldn't be cost effective to to try to
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pull that out of a mold and it and it and it be successful I think the sad thing was when I left
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40K um and left Space Wolves they then did uh a really big space wolfes sprw
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that had loads of really really cool stuff on it and it even had like um uh chest plates that were really had
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covered in runes and things like that and that was really good and I thought oh it would come out when I've left and
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then when I come back in when it came back in they that had gone you know and you know when me and my son were like
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trying to figure out what Marine Army he was going to get and I first he was like well I like them and you know when it's
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terrible you know when you think about how you how what you like but then you have to think about your your wallet as
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a parent oh and my son was like I space wolves are great and I was like the
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problem being is I'm going to be responsible for these and I know that I'm not very good at behaving myself
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with regards to I fall down rabbit holes too easy yeah and I thought all I just
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thinking was though every box of intercessors is 30 something pound plus
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however many times I'm going to have to keep buying space Wolf upgrades bruis to to do so go every 10 Space Marines is
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going to cost me 50 Quid or maybe 55 quid or however much because of thought I'll have to buy it every single time
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you could you know SC them all out of green stuff well yeah convert them all there you go so I I have a a question
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about um the sculpting as as I mentioned to yourself I've I've never tried any
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sculpting before previously um and I think something interesting I guess with
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your C ceramic background is working with your hands have you ever thought about in doing it in 3D sculpting in 3D
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yeah I do sculpt in 3D oh amazing I just I don't really um forwardly advertise it
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but yeah I do I do push putty around digitally as well yeah yeah I went through a little little stin of game
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development in my spare time where I was creating characters uh in zbrush and working with cry engine trying to make
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my own atmosphere of something that you could run around in and I I learned quickly
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that I didn't want to learn any of the backend stuff of game development and I didn't want to hire anybody else to help me so all I did was just make assets I
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made a world I'm you know set up the environment and I love playing with you know all the the time of day and
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sculpting all these characters and stuff and that's kind of just where it ended and I realized oh I I just want to
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create I I don't want to deal with coding or programming and all that kind
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of stuff so yeah yeah yeah yep so we shouldn't shouldn't anticipate a uh a valbon no space spacewolf STL pack in
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the future oh I I mean that could absolutely be a thing yeah yeah I mean I
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have been messing around with that and also um sculpting my own bits and then
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having them cast oh yeah um yeah I'm I'm thinking about all that stuff oh excited
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yeah because Peter one of our palome YouTube Pete the war gamer MH he's recently released animal bits yeah dead
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animal bits yeah he's did his own first pack and we'd been very kind enough he showed us we were visiting the Artis
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Opus Factory and uh he brought them along and showed us some of the bits on them and I was really impressed at how
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how good they are you know to think to be like some starting something that small on your own you know and yeah you
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know starting something small on your own and then he go oh actually there's something that hasn't got the back in of an enormous company behind it was really
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really impressed how good it was you know yeah yeah and then um something
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something else that I mean like looking at that uh miniature that you brought brought with us which I'll I'll I got a
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360 off so we'll imagine it spinning around as as our viewers will be able to see it um say like a beard for example I
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guess this is coming very much from like a novice perspective like when you're going into learning or sculpting a beard
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how how do you go about scaling it down so it still reads as a beard but then
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he's also like I I'm so stupid I can't even phrase the question like how do you make
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something look like a beard um at that scale um like with the tools that you
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have like what's I guess the air what's the process and the thought process well
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references and you've got a really good one right on your own face face there buddy uh but it comes down to and this
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is a lot of my sculpting process comes down to the way that you're holding your hands and the repetition of marks and
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letting them all build ons I don't I always tell my students don't
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try to sculpt every single hair build up those marks and build up the it's almost
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like a proxy Mark where one Mark will influence the next and when you put your beard on you do it in regions you think
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about the sides this part protrudes a little bit the mustache comes off it's not just about the texture on it but
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it's about the hairline how does it look from the side and the silhouette yeah and once you get your your hand set up
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in such a way and you build that hairline out it starts to each little Mark starts to create these These Fine
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little uh indentations that start building on each other and then when you start to and as the putty hardens
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because you have a timeline when you mix up epoxy putty starts soft gets hard so
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those softer marks at the beginning of the the mix are fresh they're soft and fresh and as you work in and it starts
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to stiffen and you move the whole thing all those fresh marks move together and it creates a very
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naturalistic looking flow yeah yeah and you know when that metal music's blaring in the headphones and it's a it's a flow
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State type of thing it's a meditative thing for me to to really get into the zone and and feel it yeah yeah yeah it's
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it's magic man it's like yeah it's so cool I'm listen I'm listening to you describe
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that and I'm like yeah that sounds amazing does it make sense yeah yeah yeah it's just repetition of the motion
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yeah yeah yeah do you think beards um do you think beards read better on a miniature if the miniature is um in
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motion do you think like no no it it you can I mean yeah it's cool when something's flowing but you can do uh
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you can do a a stagnant kind of just like really stoic looking you know he's standing there yeah
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I think to myself like you know if I'm sticking a hairdyer to my beard in the morning and it just like splits down the
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middle yeah I just look really stupid you know Space Marine beards all
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staying one over the shoulder everything down there maybe you've been riding that bike right you see the guy on the when
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he steps off the bike and there's just bugs all through and it's yeah I've got one guy on a thunderwolf that I did yeah
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and he has the split beard and I imagined him as one of those bers where it's like that he's just on that wolf
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and his Beard's being split open by the wind yeah yeah so oh okay cool I feel I
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feel less self-conscious about my own my own splitbeard now yeah so you see we talk about Space Marines gain
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self-confidence there you go how how it goes with face Marines the um yeah I uh
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I I sometimes think that the problem must be as well when you you sculpting a beard is is is thinking about how long
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it relatively compared to the face set it's got a sort of we know because the thing
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is with beards is obviously the further of the way they get from your face they generally become thinner all of the up
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here you know from being being a barber I I deal with them day in day out but so
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that thing of and S of going well I've got to remember where the chin is for that s of coming away for the and if you
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can see the bottom lip or not is his mouth open all that kind of stuff and if you mix your putty in the right ratio
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you can keep adding continuous layers you don't have to do it all in one shot
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yeah and if you look at a lot of the Beards that I've done the space rins have this gorget that goes around the front of their chest armor and I I very
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rarely break that line where I don't really do beards that are mass like I think of that more of a Dwarven beard
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that comes down those have their place and it's a stylistic thing but if you create an impactful Little Beard you
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know that's sitting inside there it's it's just as cool right well the thing is is you think even Space Wolves uh um
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if we pretend they're real for a moment um pretend they're not yeah I knew you
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were both going to get the that once I knew was going um this is a documentary they drill the barrels so
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the Bullet can get out that's true exactly you know if you don't drill your barrels you can only you can only roll
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on you can only hit on a six yeah yeah yeah so um but even them would have to if you think about the fact that
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obviously a lot of the Space Wolves look their most impactful when they don't have a helmet on yeah that's obviously
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got the biggest bits B of helmets Yeah B I just tell you's going on anyway I'd love to see the beard where space Wolf
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has put a helmet on and it's just got like trapped beard the bottom of the does you
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think even no matter how cool a beard looks on a space Wolf even they would have to go I can't have it that long
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because it's still got to fit in the times they do have to wear a helmet inir you
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Cur like you know one of the things you know although there is there is exceptions on on religious grounds and
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and sometimes people's skin but in the military you can't have a beard and one
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of the reasons they give you for saying you you can't have a beard is if the beard is too big the Seal of your
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respirator gas mask won't won't fit you let me tell you a little something about Space Wolves yeah they don't
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care she it's like if I put that that iron Warriors one on it's just I just out it's the comedy beard sits out the
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bottom of it so I think you're right that to go with what you're saying about not going past the gorgees it's a it's a
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good safety Mark of went to stop isn't it really you know but then again some of them have really really long plats do
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they do they princess layer them up like you know it rolls on the sides the head before they put the helmet on they just
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hold their breath in space yeah they just go I am not wearing a helmet no matter what yeah that's it R is cool you
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know how long it took me to Plat this hair and comb this beard I'm not putting a helmet on if you're a barbarian enough
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you can breathe in space yeah like I think that's that's how that's the rule there's there's next slogan for our next
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run of t-shirts if you're Barbarian enough you can breathe in speak y oh so do you uh sculped many
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other things other than Space Wolves of you the other things that takes you fancy within yeah gam workshop and non
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Games Workshop ranges yeah so I do toy around with do some digital sculpting um and it's
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mostly figural stuff working with anatomy and just making full figures in there just to you know practice and I am
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working on some few full scratch built pieces oh excellent yeah that are that are kind of you know in the secret
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chamber but yeah yeah and and like my my bird here I you know I'm very influenced
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by nature and yeah you all that kind of stuff so yeah I love that bird it's so
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it's really really impressive the um how hard did you find um cuz we have
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I'll I'll mention them in a second do we how hard did you find moving from epoxy over into digital did you
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find it a real um was it like a real having to retrain the brain it
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was having a traditional background and and moving material around I think gives
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you a big advantage to to going into digital because you you have a sense of the weight of things and of how gravity
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affects things and um yeah it it happened rather quickly I
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think a lot of the the um the difficulty of sculpting digitally is the
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initial uh kind of curve of learning the program it's it's less about trying to
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express yourself and rather about how okay what are these buttons do what what's all the menus do like it's yeah
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zbrush in particular is it it's just a massive uh UI but once you once it
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clicks you're like oh okay I see why it's laid out like this it's just not as conventional as other programs yeah it's
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definitely a curve isn't there like I remember learning After Effects a few years ago and just Lear Cur yeah like oh
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but usually the arrow keys means go forward a frame and go back a frame but now that means something else completely
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different and yeah yeah is I think one of the ones of people we had on the show who who made that leap and seemed to
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make that leap um really comfortably was we had Bob n Smith on yeah yeah you know
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we had in fact Bob been on twice and you know and and you know there's always that thing where it's easy to go oh well
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you know older people don't use computers you know and a man who'd spend so long sculpting in the traditional
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sense but he absolutely knocking out the park now he's moved over to digital and he's just think and he and he was like
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you he seemed to just find that going from working like this to this seems to
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just be naturally sort of pushed through and it didn't he seemed to Bob sort of took when you spoke about it very much
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just in his stride that it moving across and you think it I think it must be if the sculp is in you it's in you no
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matter what way you work as suppose yeah once you get past that learning curve of the initial UI of the program then it
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really Clicks in your brain and you're like okay there is no gravity I can just move things wherever I want I can like
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with traditional sculpting the when you make a mark in something it's displaced somewhere you push into it and then that
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has to go somewhere yeah in in the digital realm you can just use the trim tool and slice something off and it just
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disappears into into space you can sculpt something out and it doesn't you
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don't have to hit that right perfect timeline or have an Armature inside yeah and set up all these steps but knowing
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how to set those steps up really makes you appreciate those things and it makes them a little bit more meaningful and
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you start to make decisions that are based on that that experience yeah um and I think
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you can tell the difference a lot lot of times and you know that between someone who does have a traditional background
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that does move into digital they make decisions I think a little differently sculpting traditionally and
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it going into digital you you bring your you bring skills with you do you think
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does it have any reverse do anything you in in digital going back do you pick anything up digitally sculpt and that
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you goes backwards to going back to eox as I'm sure it does
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yeah um something I definitely wanted to ask you about as well was was initially looking at your Instagram I see all of
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these minute details in green stuff but also the the kit bashing element of yeah
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of your work and one that really took me by surprise um and again I think this is
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coming from my sort of lack of experience of of Kit bashing and all that sort of stuff um seeing a maybe
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four or five models on a 360 and you like these are all assault intercessors like they have the same legs and the
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same torso and I was just like what right and and this chap on the
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table is an assault interess you were saying and just I guess I'm just like
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flabbergasted um that they're all the same model but you can get so much out of it yeah you really can and how how
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did you go about discovering that or playing around with with that sort of stuff yeah so my first real when when I
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was a kid and I was buying action figures the ones you could pose what I was oh these are so cool I can finally
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pose them in the way I want yeah and I would spend out like just so long
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setting up little scenes of posing them and understanding where to put like how
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to make the make it look like there's actually a guy in there yeah um and
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finding that right golden angle and the right camera angle to take the shots um it's the pose is everything man it's
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it's just a lot of times like you'll think okay the feet are like this so
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they have to go on the bass like this like this guy in particular his model is running forwards yeah but you tip him
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backwards and then you put one of his one of his legs up and now he's stoically cresting a mountain top yeah
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and the same mini could be the same thing in the same pose you tip him forward and move his arms a little bit and you have a completely different feel
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yeah um and so it's kind of about just feeling that moment that you want to put them in and uh yeah imagine a little man
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in there I I also really enjoy um I guess
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what could be a very very complex answer but then they say just imagine they're
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real yeah it really boils down to to feeling it you have to re it's working
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in the round look at the mini from all angles look at how you know if you tip him backwards how does that change the
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way you feel about it yeah if you add different arms or even just you know the the turn of the head is so important
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like think about where the spine goes down and like if you have someone sitting there and his head's jetting forward or if you have someone sitting
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there and his head's backwards and his shoulders are forward like how does that change the way you feel about it yeah
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yeah it really so much more like character and emotion and right all that sort of stuff like yeah if someone's
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hunched over you like oh they're old and grumpy and this that and the other and yeah that's really cool M like yeah the
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kit bashing element is something I really really love yeah so what
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so say say with this chat for example yeah was what was your thought process
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in creating it was it like kit bash first and then the green stuff afterwards or a mixture of both or with
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him in particular it was a really slow burn because I was letting each decision I make influence the next I didn't
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really and I don't usually have a set plan of what I'm going for but it does usually boil down to the pose that I
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find first yeah and he was one of my first Minis that I did where it is in more of um an illustrative kind of
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almost heroic pose because most of the minis I did before him were more action
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something grabbed out of an action scene or something where it where this is more
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like oh you know the heroic you know I'm on the mountain top you know that that type of feeling he reminds me of is uh
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have you ever seen Gladiator yeah well you know when uh at the beginning when they're fighting the Germans and the
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Emissary has come back beheaded and then they start to hear the noise of them all and there was this enormous Chieftain
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comes out first speaking in some variants of Germanic and he's giving it
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big with the a got big long hair and the pelts and all the rest of it like that sort of rallying call to get ready it's
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about to go you get a real feel of that with him I think yeah yeah it's really it's a really really nice POs to be fair
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man thank you and how do you know when I must be challenging like I I I
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something I struggle with my own with my own painting is is knowing when to stop ah yes and how how do you find that in
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the kit bashing and sculpting have you ever done something where you're like that was too far maybe or yeah I mean
30:16
even this mini in particular right here sometimes I think maybe I put a little bit too much on there there is there's a
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balance there you don't want to litter the entire mini with too much detail that's going to obscure you know that
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balance of you know your negative space and your visual noise of your details and all that kind of stuff yeah so
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something I I I we played around we got a 3D printer recently and and we played
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around with um some 3D bits uh making some black Templars and and something I
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I was like I I guess something that a lot of people do um I've seen it before in in climbing where you you know if
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indoor climbing you you have your root Setters and you're sort of like I've got the drill and the bolts and the holds I can go crazy but really you shouldn't
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like it the hard bit is controlling yourself I think so like with the 3D bits I was like every shoulder pad and
31:09
helmet can be different and the backpack can be different and this gun and that gun and I was like oh it doesn't look like Space Marine anymore yeah um I
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think it's quite I find it quite challenging I guess it comes with time like controlling myself yeah and a lot
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of times and especially with this particular kit that I like to work with the assault intercessors or just the primaris Marines they're very
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easy to bring down to a blank canvas they they aren't they don't have a ton
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of detail on them and it's easy to remove a lot of that detail and I like to dial back that detail so I can add my
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own on yeah or sometimes I'll cover up the the button panels on the sides just so it's not taking away from the thing
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that I want to put next to it yeah it doesn't all have to be completely resolved to the to that highest degree
31:55
okay so yeah very interesting the nice thing as well with some of the um some of the earlier
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assult intercessors they had them really nice long plates on the on their forearms they which were carrying the
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endomet campaign or Crusade badge on on one side as well so they gave that a
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slightly more nightly look of of Marines because obviously as you say generally there's normally a couple of buttons
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going on ands and then they did them with these like forarm plates which I thought was a I thought was AIT it was a
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bit of a shame that they did them for for some of the they go oh you should have kept them going I quite liked them and they were like oh they were more a
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thing for that box you know and it was but yeah they were really really cool yeah the question it leads me into
32:37
because when I started with Space Marines which they were in mar8 armor
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and they were um I think it was jez Goodwin's real first push at what
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basically you know the template for the newer sorts of marine that we now use they were obviously um multi-art and
32:56
there seems to be this argument a bit at the moment in amongst people who played
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it all the way back then and still play or paint and collect now is is it better to be multiart and do
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what you want or leaning into the fact that the way sculpt is now done to
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create such amazing poses that it we should accept a a a mil that can only go
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together virtually really speaking one way over the ability to do what you want
33:28
and it's like cuz obviously when you could do what you want you could swap the arms around but you the dynamic for
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the average for the average p uh painter collector Builder would come to a bit of a a bit of a dead end whereas what Games
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Workshop doing now like you know take consideration the the faux boss left tenant who's
33:47
jumping through the air with a blade in in the air and going to go and you go well that's you know games W shoper
33:52
never used to make anything that could remotely look like that and and you know but you had the versatility of building
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your own Marines but versus this and I think where do you sit on it where do you think it what do you think is the
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better option to have something so really impressively done by the company or the
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ability to sort of have access to putting them together yourself yeah well the grey Hunter kit was kind of what I
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the grey Hunter kit and the space Wolf Terminator or the wolf guard Terminator kit were my first two space Wolf kits
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and they're all somewhat multi-art the hunter kit was very multi-art and um
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then when the prim came out they were a little bit more monopos the way that the
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legs would Sock It Up In It would be yeah okay the legs are just going to go like this you you can't really rotate
34:40
them and for me it was a challenge I liked to cut up the limbs in my own way
34:46
and then resculpt the armor seals and I know that that's not for everyone yeah um and I really don't know how to answer
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that question because it's a it that's quite a balance between how far do you want to go with your kit bash how far do
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you want to go with sculpting on your mini um but I have enjoyed working with
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uh the kits as a challenge of if you're going to give me a mini that can only be posed one way I'm going to cut it up and
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make my own yeah because I always found whenever I've talked about this with with people as they go but I could I
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could put my Marines together my own way when they were multipath and you go that's true and when I played most
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people are playing Marines and you go well I put him in this cool pose but then when you put him down against your mate you realize he done exactly the
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same pose anyway because you know you know you know without breaking out the bone saw and breaking out the green
35:39
stuff there was only so many variants of even though they were all multiart there's only so many variants of how you
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could get it there's still the there's still a rotation of the of the limbs that you kind of have to adhere to
35:50
unless you're going to change that angle and then redo the aracy you know like I said that you know back in back then
35:56
games worksh shop um we lived in the the the the world of being a lot of plastic
36:01
and metals and you used to be able to go to Warhammer world and they have a catalog of just all of the metal parts
36:08
and all of the spru and you could just go through it and go just filled out an order form and handed it in and they would go away and come back with it yeah
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or they go well we haven't got any of them but if you give us a week we'll we'll do some well there used to be a metal pointing gar for um the heavy
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weapons uh Sergeant yeah yeah he was just sort of like this and and um the
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same exactly the same was also on a really cool marine with a mohawk who had
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which was quite unusual back then had no aquill just a skull and crossbones over one side and he had a again not
36:39
something see a lot a ball thr on a sling and he had it down there and he was pointing but it was exactly the same
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arm I must have bought that Arm about 10 times yeah yeah everybody was
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pointing yeah see everybody wanted someone to take notice of what they were worried about yeah and you know I had it
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described to me recently I think it was painter called Chris Frozen who was like oh the pull my finger point yeah yep the
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one I was always said is that they never um they they always um they always do them like this and um when I was in the
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military we were always point we always T to point with a full hand because sometimes if you're wearing a dark glove
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you and you because you use you use hand signals yeah sometimes if it's dark trying to figure out that there's a
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single finger out oh so just like a fist in it could be a fist you know a lot of people who went off there's a place in
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Wales called Brack and beacons which is where you you you do your training and it's called the bra when you go there
37:33
when you land all you combat pushman about it gets known that get full hand gets known as a Breen point because
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there is a marine with a marine with a full hand good yeah excellent so they
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they've sent a marine on they've sent a marine on the uh on the British army Junior n's course up and bra and then
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obviously oh or at least one of the sculptors yeah one of the sculptor has G have one of them Brack and poon yeah
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yeah oh that's good that's like an interesting like titbit into like the
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history of of and yeah the military side of things maybe maybe they should all have just a big glowing thing on the
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inside the hand because at the end of the day Marines don't care who can see them do they no they yes I'm stealthing
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into battle in Terminator aror yes yeah um yeah this like Scouts I always
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thought of as like oh yeah scouting ahead and doing this rocket launcher
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um he's a bit of a shotgun yeah yeah yeah well this used to be this used to
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be a tower this used to be a thing in third edition of um in the Third Edition space Wolf Scouts could come on from the
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back of the opponent's sides of the table and they could be led by um wolf
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guards who were wolf guards were essentially sergeants and you could attach one and wolf guards had their
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entire own Armory of what they could be done with so you could have Scouts coming on from the back of the board
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with their wolf guard leader who was in Terminator armor and you going that's nice surprise could you imagine
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them just called very very good yeah so you know I
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I was never I never talk to that I was just going just I know I know it's like a a loophole that you can do that but I
39:17
never never read right to me teleport chamber man yeah that's it yeah yeah you walk I'll meet you
39:25
there oh yeah be candy can't they so um for myself as example um I if I'm
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looking to try some sculpting um you know I I've I've heard you talk about
39:39
heavy metal and pushing putty around and it sounds like a form of meditation and I'm really psyched yeah um what are some
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of the I guess hey what what tools and equipment would I need to do what do you recommend uh and what would be like a
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good starter sculpt to help like build my confidence well I like to start at the
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beard um a nice putty mix that I is a really General mix that I feel like
40:08
works really well for a lot of things is mixing green stuff with milliput 50/50 yeah uh green stuff has this rubbery
40:16
quality to it that doesn't really like to feather out over a surface and you can get it to blend but it's a little
40:22
bit more difficult and miliputs on the other side of that Spectrum where it's almost like butter you hit it with water
40:27
it's water soluble it wants to break down mixing them together you kind of blend those properties get the best of
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both worlds so you can build out things in layers and think about those layers don't think like you have to get it
40:40
right on that first shot yeah um as far as tools go uh I recommend just a
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cocktail stick or a toothpick to start out that's kind of how I got my start with sculpting hair um then you want to
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when you want to start getting a little bit more refined get some bamboo picks and sharpen the points down a little bit compress the ends so you don't see any
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wood grain yeah um yeah and just start pushing it around organic organic
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textures and volumes or are are looser and so you can have a little bit more freedom there yeah um also mixing in
41:10
milliput with your green stuff is going to make it cure hard yeah if you want to refine after it's cured you can go back
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in there and do a little scraping if you want add more putty on later oh okay yeah yeah so would um would sculpt would
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you say sculpting mechanical elements like like the ax on this chap or is that
41:30
harder do you have to be more precise it's just about following different steps it's not necessarily harder it's just setting yourself up to create a
41:38
flat plane yeah being patient getting a good adhesion to the Brass Rod waiting then refining it when it's hard refining
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it like you would metal yeah yeah don't don't worry about getting it exactly perfect in it's soft form because those
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marks are going to represent soft material wait for it to cure and then sand and file it down to refine it it's
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why you see a lot of traditional sculpts that are made in clay Fimo and sculpy all of the hard like if they do horns or
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or the sword it's usually done in milliput and that's what that yellow putty is because milliput will cure rock
42:10
hard and you can then sand it to represent those hard materials oh interesting yeah polymer clay
42:16
is not as sandable or folable once it's cured it's it's kind of a plasticky yeah
42:23
once it's baked so yeah yeah I feel like um I feel like I'm such an idiot you
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like you but it's it's such a like I guess going through that that learning process of being like hey like if it's
42:37
natural treat it like it's a natural thing if it is a metal like cuz to you
42:43
talking about forming an axe like I've watched tons of of YouTube videos about
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like a blacksmith and and he's not getting it right on the first go right and he's removing material afterwards
42:55
and sanding it down get the really great finish and that's all possible with putty and that's exactly what you're
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doing as well that's right yeah just in a very very tiny scale with a different material but treating it treating it
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like it's real treating it like there's a guy inside yeah right yeah I mean not in the axe obviously but um yeah yeah oh
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that's so cool um yeah I have a YouTube video that's that's free that you can
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yeah check out you know how to sculpt a beard or Viking beard in there to get you started when you want to when you
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want to jump into patreon I can't I I can't I can't watch that cuz next thing you know I'll have a space Wolf Army and
43:31
everyone will have a beard and you know maybe I'll never the house ever again do a kill team maybe maybe do a kill team
43:37
that might be the way yeah that might be quite fun like get get the Hound of morai and do some Scouts yeah that's my
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friend is a lot like yourself in the fact that my my my mate um if it can be made by himself he will make it himself
43:53
he's not GNA go out and buy it it's like you know it's like and he's like oh you know I'm going to build this thing he he plays guard well one of his armies is
44:00
guard and he's goes need some sandbags and I was going oh wait and I'm like Tam I think do so I'm not paying for them I
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can just mold them I'll just make them I'll just sculpt them myself and then it's like um and then he did um a lot of
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the the B because he does uh steel Legion a lot of the bases he's done them very much like second world war so be
44:19
like buildings of collapse nearby and stuff and all of the brick work yeah he just bought a a cast sure just started
44:26
making his own he went I'm not going to keep paying for this he says well I can just make it myself yeah you know he's
44:32
just he's really you know and I'm one of those people go no I'd rather de me bank account cuz that terrifies me bance with
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time yeah yeah and I'm like you know just a thought of it and he's like no just you know he's really like you know
44:45
because he bought that um that stuff that came out you know the um the stuff
44:51
that you could was malleable in hot water that you could then press into to make you know and then started to go
44:57
want IP got plastic yeah and he was like you know I'm not I'm going to I'll just press that in there press it in there you make a mold do that and do it myself
45:03
I'm not you know I'm not spending that money you know it's like I think if you know very good is
45:09
there anything in your dayto day that you like can't live without out in my day in terms of sculpting sorry like in
45:15
your kit bashing or what have you you're just like oh these are really good like from chatting to Pete he he said like
45:22
Pete the wargamer he's he swears by silicon tips like tools yeah those are
45:28
useful yeah um my favorite kit bashing tool is the Tamia finecraft saw I love that thing
45:36
it's you buy it as a sheet it's a photoetched steel sheet that has these little saws that you fold over and when
45:43
people get them they're like what is this is this even a saw but they're .1 mm thin wow you put them in your hobby
45:49
handle and it lets you if you want to extract something from a kit you can cut
45:55
off a spike and and save it you can remove two things and have both halves
46:00
yeah and that that was a huge game Cher for me when it came to Kit bashing um as
46:05
far as sculpting I have my own tools that I make it I feel like eventually once you get into your own style of
46:13
sculpting everybody kind of ends up making their own tools yeah um but yeah
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so I have my own tool kit um but yeah I use B my bamboo picks a lot for sculpting hair those are yeah those are
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near and here but uh yeah okay so what are what
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are some tools that you've made yourself uh I make I make all my bamboo picks yeah I cut them from skewers just byy
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bamboo skewers even I like the kinds with the the the green still on them yeah Bamboo's very flexible wood and
46:45
it's not just about having a sharp point I really I like that really long wispy Point um but yeah I turn them down and
46:51
then polish the ends and uh use those for all my fur and hair sculpting as well as steel tools that I hammer out
46:59
and and they out and then I'll refine those down into and different shapes for what I need yeah yeah and I sell those
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in my workshops oh H that's convenience are there any spaces on your
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epcon Workshop there aren't no yeah I've heard all the classes sold out like
47:18
insanely fast adepticon it always goes really quickly CU it's such a huge Gathering of people everybody wants to
47:25
get in those classes yeah yeah but I I I would love to come back to the UK and do
47:31
more workshops so I'll let you guys know oh absolutely yeah yeah yeah no that
47:36
that sounds amazing that' be weling um and um like projects wise for yourself
47:43
um like what what are you working on at the moment um I've been working on a Terminator for quite a while I work
47:50
really slowly uh yeah once I finish up this Terminator I'll move over to Scouts
47:55
I'm excited about all the new Scout kits and seeing what I can do with those and I I've had a scout that I've also had on
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the back burner that I haven't showed anyone yet um oh [ __ ] that yeah I love space Wolf Scouts they they are Elite
48:09
they're an elite unit most Scouts are you become a scout then you become the yeah with Space Wolves it's the opposite
48:15
they're they the they're the old men that don't want to be around anybody they just want to go out they do their
48:21
own thing they're much more in tuned with the wilderness' idea isn't it you know they're like trackers yeah yeah and
48:26
I love that Vibe um did you um see I always thought it was a terrible shame
48:32
because when I got into playing Space Wolves they were just coming to their end where they there' never been enough
48:38
of them and they weren't making any more was the original space wall Scouts the ones where they had um they
48:46
had a they had one who if you those who who know 2008 had very much looked like slay he had the massive big spiked hair
48:53
yeah and um and then there was another other one with a mohawk with two really massively big long plats with a swords
48:59
in the there but they were all done in like quilted suits like they were they were dressed for the winter MH and they
49:05
were really cool and I thought oh these are so great you know I got in I thought like well there's they only made something like three or four of them and
49:11
I was there wasn't even enough for a squad yeah and I was like oh they're cool and then then they they they they
49:18
replaced them with new space r Scouts which I think were made by Mike mcy and they leaned into which was cool they
49:24
leaned into them being old the looking men but they were very very spindly compared to the last lot and also um
49:31
normal Space Marines and then they went and then it was just like now it's just generic Scout yeah paint through space
49:38
wolf color and they going they haven't even got the right hair you know you know and it was a real shame but I think
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um so there'll be some some serious like like head swaps to get some more wrinkles in the yeah in the foreheads
49:49
and beards and yeah well the new ones are really the new ones are really new Scouts are really really nice and
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um I'm in a bit of a quandry at the moment CU I've just I've only put together the Specialists but their
50:02
bolters on the for the new Scouts are very much like a standard Bolter a lot of them have got a sling but then the
50:10
bolters that are on the black Templar sprw for their their near fights they've got like
50:17
this small sort of slightly Special Forces looking bter and it's like oh cuz
50:22
I've got enough arms do I still go with them or do I use the bigger looking chunkier one it's like oh you know God
50:28
cuz the other one I really love is the one for the reavers where they've got that really small they've got a front hand grip on there yeah which is
50:35
unconventional for the 40K type of of Bolter yeah the idea is that you know marinees grasps should be enough that he
50:41
can just grab hold of it and not having to do this you know but yeah and it's like you know and and the some of the
50:47
shotguns are a bit different as well but um it's a bit of a tough one with Scouts cuz you think if you don't play Black
50:54
templers you don't really worry about about that right but once you've got all of that that you going you know what way
50:59
till a go I've got a big question yeah you're hired tomorrow to become a
51:07
sculptor for a Games Workshop right okay tomorrow okay you're already here so you
51:14
can just start straight away problem might have to cancel that plane ticket back they're not going to let you space
51:20
wall they're not going to let you sculpt the Space Wolves What would you want them to let
51:26
you scul oh if I had to do something else besides Space Wolves and I had to do it
51:32
for GW yeah maybe Eldar exodites oh wow that's
51:40
a good shot I did that's not where I thought you were going to go I'm quite impressed yeah I mean they're kind of the barbaric lar yeah right yeah
51:50
um I mean I I really do like crout you know those a well this has been a bit of
51:56
a thing cuz all the little doggies this has been a bit of a thing because I um I I had the very beginnings
52:04
of a tower Army back when they first came out and um and it never really went anywhere and I always thought they were
52:10
okay and the crew were cool but you know there was never enough of them to get majorly interested in them and then when
52:16
we were at lvo and they announced um the crew were coming back and I was like
52:21
even if I don't have them as an army I've got to have them was a combat they did a great job oh the um the one that I
52:28
keep going back to is the younger um the the the ones riding the kouto and there
52:35
is one of them where the kouto is the only thing that's on the base is the crout tox's knuckles of one hand and
52:40
everything else is is raised up and the and yeah and the crw that's on him is obviously really enjoying it because
52:46
he's like got a rifle in the a he's go on go on yeah I think they're um and then they announced another they showed
52:52
another miniature yesterday the crout loan throwing the explosive spear yeah
52:57
or you can have him on another one where they've got him where he's got the rifle he's holding the the rifle like this and
53:03
he's looking through a through a telescope and I thought oh again really I think the new cruit Range I hope I
53:10
hope Games Workshop doesn't do them dirty I hope they give them all of the tools they require to be a com an army
53:16
that works on its own you know I think I don't I think you know if you're going to start why you don't have to play Tower right yeah but that's why they
53:23
have to play I I've got I quite like I quite like the design of the tow the only thing if I was someone
53:29
said you know you can change I can we change the head on the crisis suits a bit I can't on the yeah on the I'm not
53:34
quite sure about them but other than that I don't mind I don't mind how I think manga is such a an anime and and
53:41
Mech is such a big part of Science Fiction the fact that Games Workshop eventually leaned into it I was like
53:47
yeah I'm cool with that but the crw are just yeah such a lovely part of it and
53:53
you think I now need to see you've got to really some sort of large monster
53:58
with an enormous tank killing gun on the back of it so that they can be a a fully fledged Army in their own right you know
54:04
but oh some heavy weapons yeah something really really big because they used to have one I think Forge made I think oh I
54:11
can't a narlock or something like that and they used to have like a really like big T-Rex type thing that which had like
54:19
two or three people on the back of it and that had like quite a big gun and stuff so it be like yeah that imp plastic police would would be nice but
54:26
the new crew are if I had to choose Marine though it would be night Lords I do love a night Lord yeah yeah
54:33
true Renegade yeah yeah I love the idea that they were I love the idea that slide DEC us didn't make much difference
54:39
because they were all horrible and bunkers before that yeah they don't care there's probably some people in the night Lords don't even know it's
54:45
happened yeah yeah probably they're just like business as usual yeah just B in civilians yeah that's right what do you
54:51
think your approach would be uh to to K bashing in sculpting your own nightlord
54:57
um well I've done a few oh wow yeah they're they're further back on my profile but uh I'm looking at that right
55:02
now I'm so sorry I mean they're you know they're pretty heavy metal right yeah lots of lots of torn
55:09
flade skin and I did one guy with uh I nailed a couple of hands on the top of
55:14
his power pack yeah I called him Joo jazzz hands and but um yeah it's a great
55:22
opportunity for all that kind of organic type stuff brutal looking I think the night I think um I think uh Pete's dead
55:29
animal bits kit is a really good kit for the night Lords cuz that's got like hands on nails and things on it and stuff well I think when we've got all
55:36
that the one the thing I really loved about the new um about the the night Lords coming out on the kill team was
55:41
that when you make an add-on sprew that good that when you see the the
55:47
Miniatures photographed you almost forget that that was a a standard chaos Marine kit oh yeah you know I mean when
55:54
you look at go oh and you go oh that's just a normal kiter with bits on you know you know you've really nailed it I
55:59
think yeah it's cool yeah they've done some they've done some um they've done some really really good work with her oh
56:05
you amaz you're a night Lord demon Prince yeah Jesus these are
56:13
amazing yeah and the nylor they they frown on on chaos uh you know possession
56:20
you kind of become alien alienated to you know your War band in some way yeah we're talking about they all we're
56:26
talking about this the iron Warriors are the same aren't the any bit of tentacle starts to come out and they go yeah that's going they don't they don't they
56:33
don't lean into it particularly yeah oh that's that's awesome I love that I mean yes your
56:39
um oh the face you sculpted on one of these guys is like
56:45
terrifying thank you and I'm like I'm like oh that's disgusting
56:51
amazing who block the campat oh oh oh more Goose pictures that's overheated uh
56:58
I have one camera that always overheats so I put it on myself well now you don't have to put a photograph of goose up you
57:04
can use that miniature The Games Workshop just put that up oh yeah BS yeah um yeah yeah I can really see like
57:12
the yeah I guess like the kind of Barbarian brutishness like he's got a two-handed chain sword chain spear
57:21
something or other like chain glaive yeah yes oh there we go glaive yes that's the word my knowledge of uh of
57:26
Weaponry isn't um the most exceptional he's got a two-handed stabby yeah yeah
57:32
yeah oh and all the chains and the skulls and the BS reading the night Lord's Trilogy by uh ADB was yeah big
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for me I love it I I listened to the audio book um and I I listened to the
57:46
first one and I was like oh I you know I don't know how how am I going to end up like rooting for chaos guys and it was
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amazing right yeah like what like yeah as a Trilogy of books it's just amazing
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yeah how they they're just like a bit sad and a bit lost and on the run and
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this that and the other and um no resources yeah just doing everything they can to survive yeah yeah and and I
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like how like they I think something yeah like um Aon Dy B is such a great
58:21
writer um for that sort of stuff and the way he sort of makes you connect with these kind of like inhuman like post
58:28
abhuman creatures and stuff like yeah the way they talk to their their servants yeah yeah um and I think one of
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my favorite scenes in tried to do it in a nons spoilery way yeah there is a scene where
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there's like the the first claw and they're fighting a Space Marine and one
58:52
of them rocks up who is like has it some kind of company champion and they and
58:59
and they're missing someone from the the claw and and this company Champions just like spouting out all this Imperial like
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I'm so and so this title and they're just like oh we're going to die to this
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idiot cuz they they know they're outmatched yeah but they hate him and oh
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it's just like how Kar C refers to as Emperor botherers yeah yeah and that
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that scene for me was so good like i' I'd love to see anything like that you
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know I know now with your your love of the Barbarian elements of things you are
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if you haven't read it and I talk about it a Lotz it's a really great book you haven't read it again leaning into that
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Barbarian thing is the um uh Spears the emperor the book about the the emperor
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Spears who are a barbarian race trapped it's on the list on the on the other side of the rift and it's and they they
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the um there's the space ring chapter the mentors who generally get get dispatched individually to train
1:00:00
Imperial Guard units and to check on how things are going and get sent as emissaries emissaries where there's a
1:00:06
bit of lean on if you don't if you don't agree there'll be more of Us coming you know and he ends up having to work with
1:00:12
these guys that are just really quite feral compared to what he's used to you know and I like you know and depending
1:00:19
on what island they're from because it's a very water world one of the the islands they come from they all behave
1:00:24
slightly differently yeah and it's like U um you know there's a bit where all of
1:00:29
the this just they're really sarcastically funny amongst themselves like one where um they're all getting
1:00:35
their armor on and uh one of the Space Marines has no face it's been it's been
1:00:40
blown off it's been I think it's been ripped off by something he's got two bionic he's got both of his eyes are bionic and he's just got like this
1:00:47
plated you know and when they're getting all the gear one of the guys in his like the the team that he's part of is from
1:00:53
an island where they're all cannibals and he's like I think he he's got like all his teeth are sharpened and he says
1:00:59
to this this Marine he goes you know they're always really laying into each other in this you know he says um he
1:01:06
says um he says hey you know whatever his name is goes where's your face you know just taking the M you know because
1:01:12
he's got all this this plated when it should be and they then this this guy's got like a robotic voice cuz his
1:01:17
throat's gone in the process and going this is why he goes he's like he's like why' you ask are you
1:01:23
hungry and they're like you know I like that all the time but they're cool cuz they
1:01:28
um they mainly um they mainly use um they mainly carry a spear instead of a
1:01:35
chain swords and stuff and they they're quite cool they're um they're I think they remember rightly they said that they're uh slogan is something like um
1:01:42
red in the earth oh yeah which is really really cool yeah it's a great it's a it's a
1:01:48
really great book cuz it's got that real they're all Marines but there's a real fish out of water thing but the whole
1:01:53
story is told from from the point of view of the mentors uh one of the mentors female
1:01:59
assistants who sees one of her eyes has been augmented she sees what he sees okay and she gives him combat
1:02:05
information live on the battlefield because obviously he doesn't generally work in a team so he he hasn't got all
1:02:11
Marines to give him information he relies on these couple of servants that he has you know but it's yeah it's a
1:02:17
it's a really it's a really good human perspective yeah and but I think they lean into them being all a bit pelts and
1:02:24
te on the necklace and all that sort of thing I think you'll be your your bag yeah no that's awesome so uh we have
1:02:30
some questions from our patreon sure um uh we we put the word out that you're
1:02:36
coming on and uh and Byron and Ross have thrown in a few as well there's going to be some weirdness in here we apologize
1:02:42
in advance yeah our patrons much like us don't take things uh super duper seriously so there'll be a question
1:02:47
about cheese in there somewhere and all that sort of stuff um
1:02:53
yeah so there's a few few um few so some of the stuff we've covered um in already
1:02:59
um but yeah uh Ross asses is there any special mix of brand of sculpture materials you use is it always green
1:03:06
stuff from anywhere 50/50 or is it better 60/40 for example but you said
1:03:11
50/50 previously was that right yeah I did um that ratio can change depending
1:03:17
on your style the the more milliput you put in your mix the softer it's going to be initially yeah um and adding
1:03:24
even as little as 30% milliput to green stuff is going to give you something that you can refine later and then the
1:03:31
more milliput you put in obviously it's going to be softer um I would start 50/50 just to kind of give you a
1:03:37
baseline yeah um for weapons I like to use Tamia quick
1:03:42
type it's a a lot like green stuff but it's you know how green stuff is so
1:03:47
sticky tamy quick type is just as sticky so it'll stick to metal and then it will cure hard then you can refine it so it
1:03:55
it's got that strength if it's going to be off of a weapon but milliput green stuff works as well yeah so think about
1:04:02
that that ratio of how soft do you want the putty to be um and if you are mixing
1:04:07
your green stuff up I typically mix in a little bit more yellow than blue which again makes it more soft so the blue is
1:04:15
the hardener the the yellow is the resin yeah um playing with that ratio will
1:04:20
give you a softer or harder mix from the get-go yeah is there is there a a particular use
1:04:27
where you would prefer it to be softer initially or harder initially yeah working with organic materials I like a
1:04:34
really soft mix off the bat to give me those fresh marks yeah y awesome um
1:04:40
tools we've sort of already talked about someone said if you could suggest a list of tools for beginners to pick up what would they be they would be your tools
1:04:46
that you've made uh from your classes yeah and the Shapers that you can pick up are really going to depend on your
1:04:53
style I mean Royal Sovereign Mak some good Shapers I personally just use some cheap ones I bought at an art store in
1:04:59
town I like a softer tip I'll use a a cone-shaped soft shaper to um let it
1:05:05
flow through shapes I've already sort of put in place with my hard tools to soften them it's kind of a back and
1:05:11
forth of going between hard and soft tools yeah um but as far as metal tools
1:05:16
go that you can buy um I haven't really found any that
1:05:22
that resonate with me in particular because of the way I hold them I like very light tools that I can balance on
1:05:27
my hands I making small motions and the bigger metal tools just aren't my style they're too heavy for me yeah
1:05:33
interesting um and then question about your process uh do
1:05:40
you generally have a go model Allin one go or do you do you do different parts
1:05:47
and let's say oh I'm going to completely finish an arm first or layers are everything yeah stages anday layers Y
1:05:55
and especially when you're working with epoxy putty and you're on that timeline um you're building in all those
1:06:03
layers to then give you visual depth and you know an interesting model so if I'm if I'm doing a belt that has a trim
1:06:09
around the outside of it I'll put the shape of the belt in first I'll let that cure or at least get hard enough to
1:06:15
where I'm not going to influence the shape any longer and then I'll make my sausages that will be the the
1:06:21
trim or the piping around it put those on let that cure if I want to do a leather wrap around there I'll do that
1:06:27
third and then put any kind of ornamentation on the front like a skull then maybe do the horns on the skull put
1:06:34
it's all steps and stages yeah yeah um as someone has said well we've talked
1:06:40
about um how the first thing it might sculpt is a beard uh as a good start project uh do
1:06:47
you have any projects you are putting off because uh they might seem quite
1:06:52
like intimidating or H yeah um I I have a I have a feeling that that's why I
1:07:00
work as slow as I do um and I'm not a real big planner in terms of and I don't
1:07:07
typically work off of existing illustrations I kind of just feel it as
1:07:13
I go and let each decision you know influence the next um and sometimes I
1:07:19
feel like I do get wrapped up in in a little bit of that fear of is this going to be as good as the last guy and I want
1:07:26
to make sure that everything is you know up to up to to Snuff right
1:07:33
yeah um so I think that Creeps in a little bit with with all my projects um just with the pace of the way I work um
1:07:41
but honestly doing this this class and this Workshop preparing a bunch of models for students cleaning all the
1:07:47
models and helping them all through everything quickly as to where I'm I'm a
1:07:53
very methodical more meditative uh worker when it comes to my own work I think that's made a made a little
1:08:00
bit of a difference on me of of wanting to yeah to to strive forward through projects and get them done to get to the
1:08:06
next one yeah I've heard a good um a good thing to do is if you want to like
1:08:11
Master something teach it like I've heard a few people say that yeah um and it's a great way of learning more about
1:08:18
your craft and how you sort of put it forwards and all that sort of stuff it's interesting like with the uh like
1:08:23
wanting every project to be up to snuff like I guess in in the YouTube term of
1:08:29
things it's kind of like oh well this got that many views and that one got this many views and so on and so forth
1:08:34
um but also I think in like my sort of
1:08:39
uh yeah day jobish now um was like I filmed a lot of weddings and I always
1:08:47
used to go into every wedding going this is going to be the the best one that I've done yeah um and there so many
1:08:54
variables outside of your control like the weather in the UK for example is is quite often horrific um and all that
1:09:01
sort of stuff and sometimes just how like I I look back at work I remember I
1:09:08
did a wedding in 2019 and at the time I was like oh that could have gone better and that could have gone better I look
1:09:14
back at it I'm like that's the best one I've ever done yeah and that was like five years ago and I'm like oh I hope I
1:09:20
can do that again yeah just keep moving forward right yeah yeah yeah I find it quite I find it
1:09:26
quite quite interesting um we have another question uh from Tom can you
1:09:31
sculpt me a glorious beard in real [Laughter]
1:09:38
life although you know what that would be handy if you could do me one as well so you know every now and again I could just take this off and just really have
1:09:44
a good put it back on again yeah it's it like a I'd love to see a
1:09:52
Warhammer be scaled up um cuz I think it was on the
1:09:59
um Dark Angels upgrad Brew they because quite often like there there's a big book on there yeah and there's indents
1:10:07
for what would be some writing but because it the book is scaled up for
1:10:12
like tanks it just sort of looks like like blobs it doesn't really read as wor
1:10:18
whereas when it's smaller you can kind of go okay like I wish they preferred I wish they'd left that blank and let you
1:10:24
just tap it in yourself yeah yeah so anyway so real beard sculpting Keen to give it a
1:10:31
go yes yeah fantastic so uh Tom that that'll be with you heavy though would
1:10:37
be heavy oh yeah all made out of green stuff yeah uh what's your favorite space wolf character and why
1:10:45
oh just that's
1:10:51
tough there's a space Wolf called ranol the strong are you guys familiar no
1:10:59
no tell me tell me um he is one of the biggest Space Marines to ever live he
1:11:05
was just as big as Russ almost so they would you would see them from afar and think oh that's Russ but no it was
1:11:11
ranal he uh you know obviously had his Terminator armor and of course let a a
1:11:18
300es stand off where standof standal um in a
1:11:24
against a mass of Orcs yeah and they killed so many Orcs that when they were
1:11:30
finally overrun and ran off was killed the Orcs put his body on top of the
1:11:36
corpse pile as a god like to to to worship com yeah and and when I read
1:11:42
that like Yar aren't they they love y the commas Yar theor because he's so he's such a boss yeah and when I read
1:11:49
that I was like that's my guy yeah yeah yeah that's brilliant in one of the
1:11:55
ultramarine novels there is a car there is an ultramarine who's grown so big that is um is torso and the top half of
1:12:03
him is in all in standard um Space Marine armor but he has to have Terminator leg armor oh right he's so
1:12:10
big he has to never trunks yeah oh brilliant oh that's fun you know
1:12:17
good you know the Orcs they they're like that was you know good good effort will
1:12:23
r you for that well done exactly still beat you though
1:12:29
yeah yeah um any top tips for green stuff SL epoxy please says Josh I know
1:12:35
we talked about that quite a bit but yeah there anything else that Springs to mind uh go slow and think about the
1:12:43
don't try not to tear the putty when you're working with it tearing it will create a torn Edge that will then be
1:12:48
really sticky and start to stick to your fingers and your tools think about the compression of those marks and going
1:12:54
slow and trying not to break the surface of it unless you really intend to do so
1:13:00
yeah oh very good yeah um who is the best Primark and why is it the Great
1:13:05
Wolf AKA The Wolf King AKA
1:13:10
Russ uh yes he is the best Primark um why
1:13:17
um because he just is because he can just facts in it yeah
1:13:22
yeah do you um do you do you hope Games Workshop go back to him or would you rather they left him alone out there um
1:13:30
I think it's inevitable right I think they're they're going to actually they got to find him at some
1:13:35
point I mean he's lost out there right um or he's going to return during the wolf time uh but yeah I think they'll
1:13:41
redo them I'm I would be all right with it but is he not when you have the the
1:13:46
the talents and the skills that you've got is not always that potential sense of disappointment that something's going
1:13:52
to come back and go oh that's not I how I would have done him or that's you know yeah wrong I think primarch's are but
1:13:59
you know I thought rubber Gilman was all right but I thought the lion was a really well done miniature oh the latest
1:14:06
lion yeah I thought it was really really good but I thought it was cool too but I was a little bit you know even though I don't play Space Wolves I always do keep
1:14:12
a an an eye on them because I do I still do love them but I always thought that's that thing is you go you bring it back
1:14:18
and it's not like what you know it's like when they R did Logan grimnar and I was like I like the run and one in
1:14:24
Terminator armor from from earlier on more you know like I didn't really want him in a sled you know I I mean when
1:14:31
they redid the Horus mini I was really impressed with that that was really good the Horus ascended like the new yeah
1:14:40
it's such a it is a one of those Miniatures that's so nice I to I should never be allowed near
1:14:45
that interestingly like from from a lot of the sculptors that we've talked to
1:14:50
lots of them really rate the Forge World primarchs and have good things to say
1:14:57
about them would you ever have a a stab at a kit bashing in and sculpting on
1:15:04
lman Russ yeah nice absolutely I'd love to see that yeah and going back to your
1:15:10
question of a release that maybe isn't up to Snuff of what I would expect yeah
1:15:15
that's kind of why I hobby I I don't look for every release to be exactly
1:15:20
what I want I look at it as a challenge because I know I'm going to change yeah so much because I want to really make it
1:15:26
my own sort semi blank canvas for you yeah and I think that was a big reason why I really like Space Wolves is
1:15:32
they're so individualistic and they each one's a little hero that it gives me that opportunity to do that so yeah if
1:15:40
ever there was an Army where every if ever there is a 40K Army where every miniature and it deserves a name yeah
1:15:46
space walles exactly yeah that's really good yeah um so Tim asks serious
1:15:52
question M have you done a lemi kill Meister tribute mini yet and if no why
1:15:58
not I have oh Sensational yeah I've done the limi yeah yeah with the The Handlebar beard yeah yeah he's um a a
1:16:08
somewhat recent one he's pointing yeah uh he's got this kind of like go over
1:16:13
there and kill something yeah um and the particular head that I used has this
1:16:19
awesome chin with this like just like a brick chin right and I thought I need to
1:16:24
leave that thing proud right yeah and so I gave him the handlebar and you know he's got the flowing hair and I yeah
1:16:31
there is a a a shot of limie on stage um looking in a direction I put it on my
1:16:37
stories I should make the post of a side by side of them yeah but I think I did all right yeah yeah y that's awesome
1:16:45
yeah he could be nothing else but a space but a space wolfb let me Cy if you ever for sure yeah love it love that guy
1:16:52
okay we we have a uh a we've come to a cheese question uh Christopher has very
1:16:59
cleverly wound it into sculpting as well oh if you could sculpt your favorite
1:17:04
cheese onto a model what would be your preferred material and what cheese would
1:17:10
it be uh yeah so I have actually sculpted with cheese before um I was
1:17:16
setting on the couch with uh string or with what's the cheese that you push the
1:17:22
side of the little nozzle and it squirts out we don't we don't really get it here yeah when that cheese it's like cheese
1:17:28
in a can it's like it's it's awful stuff cheese whz something cheese whz yeah and
1:17:35
you put it on a cracker it like makes this Little Flower yeah oh CAU cheese really seriously okay that if it comes
1:17:41
in a if it comes in a can it's not allowed in England yeah yeah yeah it
1:17:47
it's very soft and I I don't know what I was doing at the time but I'm like I could I could work with this and I
1:17:52
started making a little beard out of a cheese beard yeah there you go man yeah yeah basally
1:17:58
that it be like being you like you know like when Richard draus becomes obsessed with the Devil's Tower in Close
1:18:04
Encounters and he starts making out of out of the mashed potato yeah oh I was
1:18:09
having interet and I accidentally made the three foot tall space Wolf yeah yeah very good very good see my my
1:18:15
interpretation of that question is um I think like oh there was a space Wolf he
1:18:21
was having some cheese and crackers oh there's a w on yeah um and he's just got
1:18:26
like a I don't know like a wheel of cheese three quarters of a Big E I'm just strapped J to his belt well that's
1:18:33
every time I do a pouch on a space Wolf belt that I usually always make some sort of question the post like what do
1:18:39
you think he's got in yeah it's always like is it full of peanuts or what's going on snacks dog treats dog treats
1:18:46
Scooby slack yeah that's very good yeah um uh this one very simple from Greg
1:18:53
sweet or savory oh God since I've turned 40 I
1:18:59
need a little sweet after every meal I finish up any meal I'm like I
1:19:05
just I my palet is exactly but I'm thinking by the time I get to about 60
1:19:10
that every meal will have to be followed with something that's actually covered and custard the second part will be like a
1:19:16
full secondary be you know suck I eat enough as it is but it's going that that
1:19:21
no costard yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um so this is a cool name my grandfather's a oh says
1:19:30
simply how um your work is awesome your tip for
1:19:36
mixing mut with green stuff and letting it sit before starting to work it have been invaluable to me thank you oh
1:19:43
that's welcome yeah um and then uh skinnyman asks always found the idea of
1:19:50
sculpting a bit intimidating uh what would would you recommend as first project to someone who has never used
1:19:56
the material before so yeah yeah it's straightforward it's forgiving hairline
1:20:03
first yeah brilliant and then finally our last question do you enjoy sculpting
1:20:08
models which aren't space walls uh what I'm really asking is would you consider sculpting the Luscious long hair on a
1:20:16
great unclean one love your work yeah thank you
1:20:23
and yeah I can I can really jive with anything yeah yeah yeah fantastic I
1:20:28
guess like if you're like oh how can I scul this Lous man you could just look in the mirror that such an amazing ey
1:20:34
this just he knows out of flatter to yeah you know I was like you know I
1:20:43
one of the things I do all right with painting is um head stubble yeah and
1:20:49
people and go you really good to and I go well I work ground it all day you know I know that generally generally
1:20:56
people don't have to the skin heads that it's it's very it's like that for you
1:21:03
know very short amounts of time and you just learn that you know a bit of gray but leaning back into the natural paint
1:21:08
the natural skin tone you've used is what you would probably see more likely and you go you do you you you lean back
1:21:15
on what you know don't you yeah yeah absolutely those are all our questions
1:21:21
um we will probably want to wrap things up so we can get you to your train yeah
1:21:26
um and and make sure you can go and see your friends in other parts of the country excellent um but thank you so much for stopping by thank you guys to I
1:21:34
feel like I ask quite basic silly questions but it comes from a place of wanting to just learn so much stuff no
1:21:41
they're great questions and it it helps dispel that mystery right yeah and I think that's been that's been really
1:21:47
really helpful for for me is I see so much stuff like like using an air brush
1:21:53
or um you know certain sizes of brushes and I'm just like this just seems impossible and you're like no you just
1:22:00
you just have a poker and it's it's good fun um so if you're watching and think oh schulting that sounds horrible like
1:22:06
give it a shot yeah yeah or wait till you're back and you can teach them I can that's right yeah there we go yeah I
1:22:13
definitely plan on doing some more workshops in the UK yeah yeah are you sold out for Nova as well yeah well no
1:22:20
uh it hasn't been uh hasn't been announced yet they haven't been um um up for sale yet
1:22:26
I don't think so our American viewers they may still have a opportunity when they goes up that you'll be check it out
1:22:32
absolutely yeah so uh please go and follow Jason on on his Instagram on Valor yeah uh and keep up to date with
1:22:39
all your uh Fen Rian fabricating and uh yeah you want to learn check me out on
1:22:44
patreon there we go yes absolutely yeah again thank you so much it's been really appreciated hi Mom hi
1:22:51
Dad thank you guys this has been really fun oh great stuffing so much thank you very
1:22:56
much there we go see you next time byebye awesome

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