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hello I'm Jeff I'm Patrick and we should say and then
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there'd be Ross but and then there would be Ross and then there would be Ross but no Ross is sadly still at well not sadly
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because he's having on this time was at Nova yeah in Washington DC yeah so he'll be uh they'll be flying back
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oh now now no no don't know said by any
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the the previous American flights we've done to be flying back for us be sometime tomorrow afternoon I think
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would be wouldn't he yeah he's away he's away working a busman's holiday yes he's
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away paddling G ofus brushes like we've done ourselves on many an occasion there we go but it's it's been a while since
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we sat down and had AIT a bit of a chitchat with the sum on the sides of the table that's been a while it's always it's always a special occasion
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isn't it like the old days yeah but um yeah so
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we thought we'd have cuz we haven't really covered it because just holidays and you being a Gen Con and then bank
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holidays we have here in England if you're American it gives us uh or somewhere else in the world's week means
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you get a Monday off and that's when we record as a Monday to tie into my work and schedule so we've had a bit of a
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it's been about two or three weeks it's been a little while we kind of had a bit of a pause and then we had steam forged on with a double header yes um and that
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took up yes I some of the time and then and then yeah and and lots happened Lots
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has happened all of it's positive um well yes we go with that
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should go that and see how we get on um she have as subjects likely
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to this is uh opinion and doesn't reflect uh the painting
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phases yeah the product may vary from those in the Box yes yeah yeah yeah oh
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me yeah so we've had a little bit of a run of releases from Games Workshop um
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be both 40K and a sigma and little tiny
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uh snippet of uh old world but as we're sort of predominantly a 40K Channel I
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think we'll sort to start there I I mean I I need to say um I looking at the
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new uh releases from Nova for a of sigar
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they're lovely they're incredible yeah yeah um and what what they've done with
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armor and cloaks I'm like that's really awesome yeah they've really really
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knocked out the park and they've knocked out the park for both the um stormcast and also for the scaven some of the
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scaven stuff is like offer trolly weird in a really good way yeah yeah I CU
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scaven yeah I'm not as familiar with scaven no me no not really neither and
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and some of the models I'm a of some of them not so much I feel like as a Vibe for an army it's probably not one that I
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would like I would I'm not going I really want to collect scav um yeah well
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I've never been like that with AJ Sigmar at all of oh I desperately want to create to to have an army of that other
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twice is the only that it's flashed where oh and that was this man and the
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other was cities of Sigma yes and both of them cities of Sigma got really close
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to becoming a thing yeah and um and and I I was really
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really tempted but I've managed to fight it off because my mainly I think for me avoiding uh age of Sigmar is because I
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just haven't got any more space in my brain for more game rules yeah too old now it's an absolute
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I I I I I just look at stuff and I'm like rule of call yeah yeah um so the
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stonecast I'm I'm feeling like the the new stuff that keeps coming out it it
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continues to impress well that new character that they've created that is um a really nice Space Marine chap is
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really good yeah yeah I know exactly the one you're on about yeah and I L that and I thought I'm I'm really tempted to buy it to see how much work it would
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somebody did uh I see if I can find it and put it over but it's Reddit so I've got no idea where where I saw it um but
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yeah on Reddit somewhere um somebody did like a Photoshop conversion well there
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was that chap who does really good ones then I can't kabooki kabooki yeah come on kabooki you haven't done one yet or
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if you have I haven't seen it so apologize so someone did one they turned it into a blood angels chaplain uh and
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it looked amazing yeah yeah so really doesn't need much to be fair it needs a backpack and some change of shoulder so
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B bit of f here the Miniatures for the game that neither of us play have been exceptional we really impressed really
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impressed with those Miniatures we won't be buying yes yeah yeah um I mean I I
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finished painting my first Army this summer which congratulations I don't know if you can if I if I like move out
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the way no you I'm too fat um but my Dark Angels Army is sort of 1,500 points
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done um lovely thing Lov thing to behold shoulder I'm quite Tru with that yeah um
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that isn't anything new so I feel like the summer the big summer releases started off with um the new Inquisitor
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the wrong the wrong TR oh do you know what I I know and I know
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this is all now old news because a lot of people have had their moan and they complain about it since but because
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we're doing a bit of a round up and like I say we've had quite a busy summer but I I really really am
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flabbergasted because I don't know what's gone on there I really don't know and you know there's always that thing
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and and I have seen this before back in the day when and and I've spoke to people who were in The now where there's been some and I'm going back to my first
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time time of collecting the H being in the hobby there was some shudy Space Marines some were like Pencil Thin
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thighs and just really bizarre looking things which isn't a problem the new inquisitors got no and um and you know
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people would go you know go what's going on with that and someone you know you know people who don't work there anymore so both friends of mine who used to work
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at Games Workshop and go the new guy did that and you know when you go the new guy did that that I'm good with that
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because you go you go okay and you know I was the new guy at a barber once and you know
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and you know my haircuts were awful and they've marginally improved but but you know we've all been the new
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guy at a job so I get that oh massively yeah I me once you releasing Marines with other Marines and you know it sound
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an awful they can sort of they just become a much of a muchness to some degree yeah but when you're
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trusted and I'm not saying the new guy did uh The Inquisitor coers um
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but if was a a a younger or newer sculptor
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you're going I'm not sure I would give a known Inquisitor who's had a model
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before and the cover of a codex to somebody who was new I just don't know
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what the theory was behind the way it looked it was uh it was an
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interesting style choice I think uh the older model I prefer oh Christ yeah um I
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I feel like it it have more detail on in the armor and all that sort of stuff and and the artwork of him like with his uh
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with his like cus or whatever is um like smacking down and stuff I like big hammer yeah you big hammer I'm like
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that's awesome um and it's just a bit of a sleeker sort of less Gothic well it's
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it's thing it's sadly very generic and it's taken loads of the the lovely
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elements of that original model have gone that is touchstones obviously the
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Pelt uh uh over his now one shoulder and the hammer and the beard are all still
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there but with randomly flapping its wing over a bit of do you not think it
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looks like it's just been nailed to that by One Wing it's just really bizarre because it just there's two problems
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with it a it doesn't remotely look like what it originally was other than these things you're going oh the hammer it's
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he's in Gold he's got a pelt on and a cloak okay and the beard but all of the
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feeling of that original character all completely gone yes and the extra smack in the mouth is the fact that the
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original character's design is the one that's on the cover of the Blondy book yes yes yeah yeah you it been a new
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piece of art reflecting that model yeah it would feel a little bit less than something I feel like yeah yes yeah no
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yeah that makes a lot more sense yeah um yeah I completely get what you mean and I feel potentially in perhaps in 40K at
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the minute it feels like things are like a critique of primaris was that
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it's it's lost a bit of that character and and you know when we did our Space Marine eras sort of thing I was like
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well you jokingly sort of said said in my you know glorious presentation I was
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um that they started off with a one siiz fits all put these in any of your army
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kind of thing um and then they're building up on that like you got your
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black Templars and they look very black templari and all that sort of stuff yeah um but then say like with the blood
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angels releases they even like they they're a
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bit sort of generic yeah well at leads if I just go back using the blood angels
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as a point to go back to The Inquisitor for a moment is is that there seems to
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there seems to be a thing with Games Workshop with regards to character models is they go one way or the other
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now since they've become primaris based they go one way or the other which is
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they either remake the old miniature yeah in a bigger size yeah or they find
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a really beautiful piece of artwork from back in day yeah and they make the miniature from that mist on yeah hell
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bre and Hell bre they found original pieces of art from a while back yeah and gone let's make that
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yeah sosia is none of that no they didn't go
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let's go back to that ARA you know if they'd have done the original model but from the cover of the Codex with the
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hammer above his head yeah everyone would have gone ah they've gone back to that piece of art which everyone loved
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and they go oh we'll do the other thing which is what's happened with the blood Angel characters or most of blood Angel
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characters that have been released in the last few weeks is remake the same miniature just bigger M and they didn't
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they done this really weird thing with going would do none of that and if anything if you to put him out in front
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of me if he to put that miniature out in front of me and not put the beard there I'm not even sure I to guess who it was
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no especially if it was in gray plastic yeah painted gold I'm getting nearer there but if You' gone who's
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that something qu yeah fair enough I might he's got a hammer like the other one but other than that yeah so yeah so
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to to put that to bed I don't know whether they've let somebody who's new to their skill how to go with that or or
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what but I just don't I the bit that gets me is obviously quality control and
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I'm more annoyed by the idea that someone signed off on that yeah the person it person scul we've got a Lear
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craft but someone didn't go needs more this needs more that needs more this yeah maybe go and have another look at
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the face on the old one why does he look like a different bloke yeah look like say man yeah yeah yeah um um yeah it's
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it's an interesting one and and and I think as well because like I think we we've said you know Games Workshop doesn't really credit people no um with
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the scaven tide possibly for the best with that miniature with the with the scaven tide box um Ross was was telling
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me that they they did credit people good um but then with all the backlash that
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that has received and then with some of the blood angels sort of um like the troop choices feel like the characters
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and stuff look really cool but um especially with The Inquisitor it I can't imagine like
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they're not going to go and this was designed by Bob and his home and then yeah and everyone's gone [ __ ] Bob
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sack the bastard and and and Bob you know shouldn't be sacked no of course you um I can imagine you know you maybe
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like these things it's it's a big business art and business have a weird
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way of interacting with each other and one of them usually has to win in a company as big as Games Workshop you
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know the business side of it probably wins out more than others yeah and so
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you know they were like oh we need to get this Inquisitor out you'd be like oh but I've only done the base model I need
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to put all the detail in shut up Bob get it out fine done and you know and it feels like that could be a thing because
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you think financially you set a sculpter to work
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and I'm talking completely out of me hat ideas of what
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of the how it all works but you put a sculptor to work to make a thing yeah
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surely financially him putting a whole load of written words on on a piece of
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parchment wrapped around the thigh financially not going to make much
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difference to if he never got round to it do you know what I mean and I know it goes then it has to go away and be it
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has to then go away and the the molds get made and I understand all that but it can't be F they couldn't I can't
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imagine they go if we make that one look as cool as the last one we're going to lose thousands I can't see that it was
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that was really going to happen it could be and I might be being naive and if I am I'm sure you'll probably tell me in
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comments if I am but I just couldn't see it costing massively thousands of difference to put a really really nice
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like the original Inquisitor out and then a really blank one especially because if you look at the amount of
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detail to go back where we started the amount of the detail in some of the weird and wonderful monsters that they've made for the
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scaven they don't if if you know if if sculptors are being paid by the
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hour someone was in someone was doing quite well on the Wes for making scaven but weren't doing well on the Wes for
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making that Inquisitor yeah I I wonder to some degree I wonder whether there's
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been a um a move movement of Manpower because it weirdly at the
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moment the disparagement between between AOS and 40K is really
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quite wide isn't it yeah I feel like it is but to go back to the blood angels which
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is where we got to I was really disappointed because we had said hadn't we previously in the Space Marine video
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uh which space not which generation was the best was that the black Templars
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were looking like a very good starting point for Marines that would follow yeah
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and it didn't happen with regards to Dark Angels they didn't really do much to the rank and file but they went heavy
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on the inquis they went heavy on the Terminators yeah yeah I I feel like the Deathwing Knights
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are tip top and then they did them other ones that they called The Companions or something yeah yeah the purple robes on
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and stuff yeah like so they they did Circle they sort of yeah sort of left
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the troop alone a bit yeah um they'd left the troop alone a bit and gone look
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you're just going to have to rely on your standard intercessor box yeah um
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whereas you know the black Templars chained weapons embossed shoulder pads um
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helmets with crosses on uh loin cloths for everyone uh lots lots of cool little
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gries to go on your backpacks and things like that and they they really made that black Temple specific
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and and I know the black Templar have a more gothic look than most Space Marines
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but it it held me in good hope that they would do especially because they very popular would do a blood angels box
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where it was like basic intercessors but the correct shoulder pads and also a thing that was missed that I'll talk
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about when they go black rage are they called Death company yeah death
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company why didn't they do arrange why when you bear in mind that they did
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shoulder pads with Templar crosses on both sides for on both shoulders for for
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the black Templar they do a load of shoulder pads with just with the with the red X already done on them so you
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could pain them to be either so what if they' done blood
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angels the right way why didn't they do a they could have done a load of shoulder pads in there with the x's on
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yeah they' done with they've done them with the blood drop on one side have they but then is it just a blank one and you have to freehand the yeah
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it's an interesting one for a box doing doing death company I it's quite Niche isn't it you say that but back in the
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day they had their own they went and I'm talking back in the day but they had their own Miniatures yeah they had their
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own Miniatures they had you could go and buy a box of of death company cuz you can you can buy death company it's like
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assault intercessors but I think it's like head swaps and stuff you can get but are they like is that a new box or
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is that the old is that like it's primaris I think um I need to
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double check please I didn't I think that must have gone by me I missed it death company intercessors I um forgot
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that it existed cuz I haven't blood angels have been something that I've
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looked at and gone oh that's pretty cool oh so yeah it's five Miniatures um and it's you've got like
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one guy with a chain sword and uh yeah so just like a a squad of five Marines essentially okay well I'll I'll forg
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I'll forgive them then cuz I I obviously not done enough research there yeah so so they are you get those Miniatures in
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that box yeah and you get some jump pack Marines I love that it seems to be in the starter boxes for the Marines
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they're like y we need to H just throw in a redemptor dread yeah he always like to do don't but um yeah but I think you
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know even still I think the blood angels like the black Templars when especially when you conf since the black Templars
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aren't even a first founding chapter yeah um the blood angels should have got a box of their own tear uh blood drops on
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the helmets shoulder pads yeah instead of having to rely on what will become a very expensive route if every time you
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start building blood angels with the right shoulder path you're having to buy upgrade screws it become very expensive very yeah so yeah these guys have molded
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shoulder pads so they've got blood drop in a wing but then the other one will be blank and you have to put the X on yeah
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yeah you know but yeah it's um it's a shame and I've got to be hon honest uh I
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was a bit disappointed that two of the characters just looked the same as they had done previously yeah you know I
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thought I was sort of hoping they might have not got they might have got new posers and the sanguinary guard taking
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them Wings away that went well didn't it what was uh it was F hilarious again
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when we did our that chat and stuff and we were like oh I bet um great at Studios release a blood angels pack and
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then they announced it like a couple of days after we I bet they chopped when they came out with their wings we've done it and and they sell the wings so
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I'm like oh I'd download just that Wing file yeah um and and make a few of them
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I saw a chap on Instagram um that got shared in like one of the WhatsApp groups that I'm in and he made some
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wings and put it onto like Dante and and all that sort of stuff and and that looks really really great like I can
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definitely see that how a 3D printer could be used to be like yeah I'd quite like to make
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those a bit more sort of more blood angerly the bit that made me laugh from that was I like that the payoff for that
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was have here's a couple of Big Air flaps with wings molded on them yes you're like that's not making anyone
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happy if anything that's actually maybe just making it a little bit worse yeah yeah cuz I mean I I somebody told me the
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explanation behind it being that like the armor I'm probably going to get it
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all the L incorrect but the the armor is super old and there's only so many bits made so this is like new armor that pays
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homage to the old and and that kind of thing and I'm like Hey Okay um this
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still let my wings please we're going to make we have to make new armor cuz that other armor is now no longer yeah
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available so I have to make new armor and you're going well just make more
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Wings why have they now not got Wings just your arm is dead it doesn't mean that you go and the only man that knew
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how to make wings has died you know what I mean it's like you know what I mean yeah God yeah his name was Icarus and he
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did he flew too close to something and that's it you know but it was like you
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go you it just almost looked all I almost got to the point where I was
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thinking is this now intentional are they on a massive wind up are they are they it just everything's just becoming
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I was so hopeful it wasn't going to happen when I looked at some of the things that have been outp for Space
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Marines in the semi sort of recent last sort of two or three years I was really
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looking that it was going to Prim arus were going to get their flavor the flavor from 40 goth Gothic 40K was going
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to come in and it just looks like they've sort of gone so far and went oh you know what don't don't yeah I mean
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maybe never thought I'd see people really raging on the internet about lack of nipples on something but you know
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what bu it I you know I don't really care whether Space Marine armor has nipples or not but I also seen their
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point which was going you seem to just be taken away not adding yeah yeah yeah like the the the new blood angels
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Captain who sort of stood stood in that sort of pose like the the him painted red I was like n him painted gold I was
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like that's yeah better and then I think there was a slightly different pose with the arms with the weapon options which I think I preferred M um yeah I I mean
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maybe there's like some kind of power struggle at the top of the design studio
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I tell you what I'd be sitting here not massively happy if I was a peace wolf player because I'd be sitting here
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panicking about what's going to happen when they get their re relased it must be quite scary cuz like the the meme for blood angels is is at the moment is that
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they're like ultramarines too um this time they're red um and and that kind of
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thing um and and I can I can we kind of understand it I mean saying that haven't seen any of the models in person no um
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the l Mar is lovely yeah really nice the The Terminator like the the the new
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chaplain in Terminator armor from the picture yeah um I think we all said like
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B boring oh l Mar is one of him no no no like like the one um oh the one I have
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oh yeah yeah yeah that chap I don't know if I can
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um I remember looking at that thinking oh like in comparison to the model that
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you got that was like the anniversary model or something like that there was a chapelain Terminator armor and he was just coated yeah in drip and he looks so
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cool this guy um actually now that I have him and he's threedimensional I'm
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much much prefer it to the picture so I I want to sort of um you know fully hold
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judgment until I've seen them yeah but um but then quite often like usually if a model
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looks really awesome in a picture yeah it it looks even better yeah but if a if
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a boring okay model looks yeah it's all right um you know I I think GW have I
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don't know maybe been a victim of their own success in in that they had a really good run of form in
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Miniatures uh with Marines and and they were getting really cool the new Terminators I think are exceptional even
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though they're quite sort of straightforward yeah they are but they they just look great I think they're
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amazing they haven't they don't over um the haven't been overly Dynamic no rely
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ever um uh Terminator other than RAR uh Logan grimnar and when they were in the
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new the most recent space like the blood angels this time I would have loved I've
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got some of the older kits the the T blood Angel Terminator Squad and they
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have like the lightning Claws and just kitted out like the ones that are in spacehulk that kind of thing like they
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look so good and to get this version um
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you know like a primaris ified Terminator um Ian blood angels all that
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sort of stuff like I would um you know sell a kidney to to
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get set of those but instead we've kind of got jump pack marines that are painted a bit gold yeah and they don't
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have any nipples or Wings they don't even have nipples they don't even have them not at all even underneath they've
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had them taken off yeah um yeah it's you see and also to just you go to just sort
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of talk about this for a point as well is that there is no way that over a year
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later which we now are on Leviathan did I think I would be sitting here and not
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have in a collection a Sal 10 lits where are
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they where are they are they waiting for another Space Marine release is there another chapter going to turn up and
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then they'll go and we'll release with them where have they gone yeah you know
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made more annoying by the fact that I'm sitting here panting over Archie Forge have done some really great um black
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Templar pieces yeah yeah yeah which you go I I can't I don't need more Terminators to buy them bit but if you
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sell me assault Terminators I'll turn them into quite black Templar looking uh
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Terminators so I'm really looking forward to getting both kits so I can do this blend but
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but I'm like what a year later and you still haven't made them seems to be this
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thing of some stuff just either takes for ages or they just go oh we've just quietly done away with that yeah yeah
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yeah yeah I I I saw again another interesting uh sort of thing on on Reddit as well somebody had done all the
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40K mines that have been released this year and um one of the comments was were
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like you know looking at this in comparison to previous years releases this has been
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the first one in ages where there hasn't been like that Gillman lion Gaz yeah
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like that bellor like that really sort of big like tent pole miniature yeah
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like we haven't had that this year no we haven't had one rarely so far like here we go as well indomitus uh the indomitus
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box so you know leviathan's over a year old now just and then the one before
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that was indomitus indomitus gave us motorbikes yeah still haven't got a space ring captain on a
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motorbike where's that no you know no space ring captain on a motorbike um
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other things and I know it sounds daed but how can you be uh important enough
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to be the rank of left tenant which makes you the guy under captain and not be important enough to be allowed to
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wear a suit Terminator armor but Sergeant can where's left tenant Terminator oh okay yeah mind there's
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about 19 of them is there isn't God knows how many varant players we got one yeah is no um no no left tenant in um in
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grais armor no only captains only captains yeah yeah it's because they you
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can put a sergeant in gra a AR yes you can you can't put a can't put a leftenant then yeah only thing a left
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tenant has managed to get all managed to beg borrow and Steelers way into doing anything that's any different to anything else he's managed to get all of
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a shield because he can have a blade guard left handed okay but other than that you go because they only they only
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want to put them in Maris uh like Space Marine armor so don't like but long live
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the M yeah indeed long live the meme so you go you know there's loads of things you go what happens to that yeah why
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have you why did just decide on a chaplain on a motorbike which I love I think is a really nice minich I love the
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original miniature funny enough the original miniature had wings on his bike and they took away them way as well
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maybe that was the beginning of it no one noticed it was happening slowly and um and they go how have you
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not got round to it's almost like they not only did they go we slowly slowly
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doing away with the first born but when they come to doing the prim marus to hav't gone all them things we killed in
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your firstborn Army that is upset you we haven't replaced them yes cuz blood angels there was a dreadn and then I
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forget the name of him but that chat with that massive sword um massive like chainsaw they they they've gone to
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Legends haven't they they have yeah um and and then the stuff that they've been replaced with or not been replaced is
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just like you've gotten rid of the flavor yeah there's so many good things that just happen like I don't collect
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blood angels I I you know from from from that point of view I'm not sure I can be
30:10
super angry about it no um in that I don't get super angry about anything I guess but um I I can understand
30:17
everybody's frustrations yeah I want everyone to get cuz I love the hobby as
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a whole uh you know especially the fory carrier element of I love it as a whole and I want everybody to get the thing
30:32
that works for them if I Bang the Drum from my armies to get the things that they need yeah you know I want everybody
30:39
else to get the things that they need as well because in the you know the because the only thing because it only just
30:44
helps more joy for the game doesn't it more options of things to play and I understand I understand shelf space in
30:51
shops I get it that you can't put everything on a sh and I I sometimes think that you know Games Workshop
30:58
obviously rely on their shops and they've had them forever a day and pretty much nearly every major city in the world has probably got one but you
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go you know they they almost seems to be it sometimes the shop is like a hindrance because the fact that it it
31:12
dictates how much stuff they can have out yeah you know and I think you know if they were maybe a bit faster at going
31:19
this thing still sells but not as much you go right well get out to shop and get it online yeah we still St we still move
31:27
them but you know at one point in time we were moving 30 a week now we're moving five I'm not saying get rid but
31:32
just get it get it online get it out the shop get something else in and I I just
31:38
feel like is is this what's going on is the take as an example is there no Space
31:43
Marine captain on a bike because there isn't space on a shelf for a Space Marine captain on a bike if you put him on there do you have to take something
31:50
away which is more important and we'll sell more of and I get it because you'll probably the average Space Marine player
31:56
will probably buy at least two three boxes of intercessors yeah but they'll only buy one space and captain on a bike
32:02
yeah I understand it but you also go you know there's no Captain on a bike if
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you're a there's no Captain on a bike if you're a white scars player yes which is ridicul that that makes me laugh yeah
32:15
like the the the wh Scar's boxes is just like everyone's really fast and they're
32:21
on bikes or they've got jetpacks or just all about speed and then the boss is
32:26
just like hang on to it yeah yeah it's brilliant you know I mean it's he got
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yeah yeah you know what I mean just some of it's just sort of weird so I just don't know it just all feels like it's
32:38
just all just getting a bit a bit it's getting a bit sort of like is you know
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lowest common denominator releases as well what's the easiest way we can thing we can make that's just enough yes yeah
32:51
I can yeah I completely get that so I I'm going to have one last little moan about workshop and then I'm going to
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only be positive yes well I've got a couple of positives but I have got potentially
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um Kil team's coming out I think that looks awesome yeah shall we get your last moan out um what was I going to
33:09
moan about were you're going to moan about NOA per chance oh okay okay so maybe two Mo
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um um yeah the new kilon coming out uh I think the Miniatures look fantastic the
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scenery that's in there looked brilliant cannot wait um and that I think that has
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me the most excited about any of the new releases the it does me on a couple of levels because I'm getting into kill
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team so me and besti Tim have pretty much sort of put Made Easy by the fact he's bluming gun on ol but we're putting
33:42
the brakes on kill team a bit we've been learning it yeah and we put the brakes on a bit because going I now don't want to keep filling me head with rules
33:49
getting very close to learning new rules I'd rather empty me brain a bit you know yeah but I'm really looking forward to
33:55
um from what I've seen of um what I've seen of the new kill team and
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now that I'm starting to get a bit more kill team Centric glass half dead really good YouTube channel really goes to town
34:08
on what he's releasing a video blessing at the moment because there's so much kill team information virtually every
34:14
day yeah and um it's quite funny as well because with with I don't know the gentleman's name but you're watching me
34:20
you can just see him moving around the house depending on what the the weather's like like in the garden he's
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in the conservatory he's in his bedroom he's seems to be moving around the house based on temperature but um very good
34:31
but he's um he's you know really plowing the information through on what I've seen of the way they're changed it for
34:37
the best changing it for me it definitely looks for the better um the
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Box looks great I dread to think how much it's going to cost I yeah that's the one sort of downside of it I think
34:49
at the minute for me um will it be cuz I know at the moment like the the issue
34:55
with the like the Gallow dark sort of series was they did the same sets of
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walls in every box and then they eventually sort of went yeah maybe
35:05
that's not the best idea and then this recent one they sold you the scenery to begin with um and then had just the bits
35:13
of scenery so it made the boxes cheaper you didn't get the same amount of scenery four times
35:19
smashing um this one yeah I wonder if it back in the Box again have they it looks
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like it right as far as I can tell yeah looks like the scenery back in the Box yeah so you
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gone scenery in the Box for the original one and then every set that came out there after yeah got scenery and then
35:38
they went gadar and they went you probably don't need this anymore but is's it again and is's it again and is's it don't worry because we're eventually
35:44
going to release something called Bard and actions and he'll get you out of it yeah and then every box just gave you a new little bit of scenery didn't it like
35:50
it gave you Council heavy both of trailer and then Holograms and things like that and you got armories and stuff
35:56
so you got cool things but they keep repeating themselves and then the next time they went sceneries in the Box buy
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it if you want it each set will have a small bit of potentially narrative
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scenery in it yeah like reactors and things like that and now this one though it looks like as far as I can understand
36:14
and I may need to look at it again but it looks like they've gone sceneries back in the Box again yeah which is fine
36:20
because it looks quite cool the scenery the the scenery is quite nice and he seems to be a good old chunk of it don't
36:26
do it again next time just can we go back to the old box where we go is's a couple of little things but it's just two teams and your rules yeah would be
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great yes I think so and the shapes are gone on the measurers aren't they they've just put inches they just put
36:38
the inches on do you know I was I was happy for the shapes to go but I'm glad
36:44
the measure didn't go a lot of people oh I just use a tap measure and you going yeah and use a tap measure if that's your bad use tape measure it's fine but
36:50
you know what using it once you get once you get used to it it's quite intuitive I I think it's great that everything you
36:56
need comes in the box yeah I think that's sort of for that style of game I think that's very important yeah um well
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because on hopefully we we're going to um we're hopefully going to um try and get a bit of kill team in when the new
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one we were going to um we're going to see if we can um actually H teach Ross
37:14
out a roll dice it should be good fun um yeah so
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that looks really good I think the Miniatures in there yeah as a as a crout
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only player I I will be expanding to being a CR best but only player cuz the best but look really ni any reason not
37:31
to play to i' everything but the to you know but um yeah I think I'm really
37:36
pleased about that and you know what looking at the Mount of scenery the two squads are quite nice it's going to be a
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new rule book uh it's new tokens and you know there got to you know and then there'll be the new the the the new
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measuring system because obviously the the other one you won't be using anymore yeah I quite happily it's going to it
37:55
looks like it's going to be about a ton and a half to me yeah I think it's about 140 150 quid I would say yeah and look
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on what's in it yeah I think I think I'll be prepared to pay that I think yeah especially because the fact that I
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you know um I'll probably the jumpack uh tempestus will probably
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end up with bestie Tim because he's an Imperial Guard player yeah I'll end up with the vbid and so you think you know
38:22
so that's two squads of 10 that will find a home in and out of kill team so that's good so that's M spend yeah yeah
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so I'm looking forward to that so that has been one of my two little joys of
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40K in the last few months the other one being War h plus
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inquis uh oh the the miniature for the next year what a lovely what a lovely
38:48
miniature load really nice um really cool and weird sidekick yeah really
38:55
bizarre apparently assassin or something well he's a servor sort of thing but he looks like he um he uses noise as a
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weapon which I think is quite cool interesting he's got like a big speaker in front of his face yeah I think that
39:08
looks really nice and really really captured the 40K Gothic yeah which then makes you wonder you going what on Earth
39:14
are they releasing yeah yeah so yeah that looks really nice I'm quite pleased about that
39:19
I will be getting him it's about 16 days and cting before I've got him so I canceled my Warhammer Plus
39:25
subscription uh like a full year ago cuz I think they they announced the
39:30
Miniatures for that one which was an Imperial Guard um casakin and then I
39:36
can't even remember was it wit talking the witch lady or something like that and I was like you know what neither of
39:42
them do it for me the animation releases are really really slow I'm going to
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cancel zero regrets uh this time they left the announcement of like what the miniature was till what almost like the
39:54
last minute so unbelievably late um um cuz I think I thought it started in like
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August did the money come out for the year before they announced the miniature right okay um and then they had the one
40:08
animation and I I genuinely thought about just signing up for a month just so I could watch the animation but I'm
40:13
glad I didn't because just scrolling through YouTube and everything because it's like if it's Warhammer and it's
40:18
cool um all of the fight scenes and the convers like the cool conversations that
40:23
they have I feel like I've watched the entire episode in bits the one gone back
40:29
to the salamander again that one the tide or the whatever yeah well essentially it should have just been P
40:35
Nexus episode 4 or whatever it was but I will I like I I watch Ito it's good it's
40:41
definitely good um couldn't understand why the Apothecary biologist was
40:47
blue oh instead of like being white yeah I don't know why they did that but it's still look cool probably might have just
40:53
been as simple as they tried it in white the on the animation and with all the back all the other yeah glowy things
40:58
going on with the necrons it got a bit weird looking yeah maybe maybe um but then also like it's uh interesting with
41:06
the Amazon animation that's been announced really looking forward to quite a few of them December so they're
41:12
all based around like video like video game uh like franchises and all that sort of stuff so it's basically 2.5
41:18
isn't it there's a store it's a a story a titer store yeah yeah and that looks
41:24
like it's going to be awesome um like the animation house that are doing it have a great
41:30
pedigree and I think it will be fantastic and I think it's and what's something that we've said since the very
41:36
Inception of the channel is like with with how good and how popular video game
41:42
animations have been um like the League of Legends one that's on Netflix yeah
41:47
incredible um I've never played League of Legends but I'm like I can name some characters and go yeah I really enjoyed
41:55
it it was a wonderful series uh and it reaches that that wider audience and it and it you know it it's like a they call
42:02
it soft power don't they like just just having um you know the BBC having a
42:08
World Service is like a in England's the UK's I should say
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influence over the world um being like our news is really good and really impartial but then it's also like
42:20
Western opinions all around the glob um so we're not telling you what to do but we're just showing you um whatever
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anyway um I thought it was interesting um yeah so many more people will
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see Space Marines yeah doing cool [ __ ] yeah who have probably never really ever
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tipped their yeah fot in the water yeah um and I feel like a starties did that do you think there might be a bit of a
42:44
thing where Amazon goes let's see how many people watch this and we'll decide whether we're doing this yeah yeah yeah
42:50
um that's that's I've seen quite a few people talking talking about that and and being like you know let's see a li
42:55
lipus test for what might yeah You' be like do you want to see Henry caval on screen let's see how well this does um
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so that very much looking forward to um I don't necessarily think it's a kick in
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the teeth for people that are paying for wama plus because there's lots of various other reasons they did said they did announced to other day didn't they
43:14
that um that uh aartis 2 is still very much in production oh did they okay
43:20
which is good funnily enough the guy who makes a starties 2 had been busy freelancing and by the sound it was
43:27
freelancing on that thing for Amazon oh interesting okay that's yeah hilarious
43:33
um that what so this is now the fourth year of Warhammer plus yeah I always
43:38
have to go buy Miniatures uh or was it 2021 when it started assassin assassin K
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Terminator cakan in quis four years yeah I count I have to
43:51
count yeah so we've had three full years of it yeah and then this is the start of the fourth year isn't it yeah
43:57
um that I think it was very much geared around the animations at the beginning
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wasn't it um I think in the original trailer they said oh there's going to be
44:08
stuff for events never happened never happened I was going to think I was going to be a very special boy yes and
44:13
have me little exclusive events that us and the other people who had yeah Special toys and paid too much money for
44:20
would go to and events have never been a thing go it no not in the um so we'll
44:26
just sweep that sweep that under the War Hammer plus rug yeah never said you know deep strike that stopped devastating
44:32
yeah um I was crushed when that stopped yeah yeah yeah as I'm sure creatively
44:38
crushed with the people that had to make it um um but like the animation releases
44:45
are so unbelievably slow um I think they realized very very quickly that it was very difficult to do um I don't think
44:51
people signing up for it now will think oh they're going to have new releases every week for animations I think if you
44:58
were disappointed with that like you you like look back at the last three years you know what's going to happen um so
45:06
there we go I think if I'm talking from my point of view I'm think I think if it wasn't the
45:14
fact that the the financial cost of waram plus didn't also tie into
45:21
me having the Army Builder I probably would leave yeah but I do and I know
45:27
people prefer other ones and whatnot but I find the Games Workshop Army Builder system the way it now is after the car
45:34
crash it used to be but in its current state yeah I generally really like it
45:39
okay good and if I'm paying for both I'm quite happy to yeah I'm quite happy to carry on
45:46
having uh animations on OverWatch fair enough yeah you know and I do and also
45:53
as well and really need to pull my finger out because the l l gent that does the uh does most of the master
46:00
class most most of the master class now um he's a lovely guy I I've managed to
46:05
uh spend a bit of time with him a couple of barbecues and stuff he's a lovely chat and actually can really paint and
46:12
his instructions is instructional style instructional style is actually really good as well yeah so and I feel bad
46:18
because I think so I really need to tune into him more and make the most of it but I do have a habit of just sort of
46:23
going oh well I'm getting the Army Builder and I got a sexy mon every year and and that's sort of about habit
46:29
everybody has their own sort of reasons for doing it do they and if if if it was uh for regular
46:35
animations that's not a reason anymore if it's regular upad uploads to the Vault I don't think that is particularly
46:41
a reason anymore not really um so for Master Class the battle reports are kind of like every other week or something
46:47
aren't they they're they're not every week is it no maybe two or three a month or something along those lines um but
46:53
there we go um so yes what was I going to say my my last sort of gripe so I'm going to talk about uh my last sort of
47:01
gripe about so some of the releases of like we we didn't buy it but we saw um
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like Ross brought in the Box because I believe he bought it the necromunda release like the the game in a box and
47:14
something I've noticed one with the weird Jean Steelers yeah yeah and something I've noticed with the releases from Kill team and and everything like
47:21
Games Workshop you think about it everyone goes they've got the best Miniatures in the game yes everybody says it like even other companies we've
47:29
had people in here who have got their own wargaming companies and still they still go back to game so the peak is you
47:37
know Miniatures on a frame that you cut out and glue together they are still yeah Top Dog yeah um without nipples yes
47:45
yeah yes even though even though people might not like the Miniatures they got that
47:51
was that was really nice to put together um is is like the something I notic like
47:56
they don't telephone wrap the boxes anymore no the cardboard stock that they make the boxes out of get really flimsy
48:02
is getting really really flimsy like that got rained on I think it would biodegrade on the way home um the games
48:10
in boxes um even back in the I mean I've got one on top of the printer there like
48:17
the that came with the Gallow dark you used to get you know quite thick cards that you would unfold and that would be
48:24
your gaming board that's paper now is in the um it is in the necr under one I'm hoping it's not pay in the new kill team
48:31
I'll be i' be slightly crushed if it is yes so I feel like prices is going up
48:36
but the the Miniatures the quality of the Miniatures is still really good but
48:42
the quality of everything else is going down I feel like you know Games Workshop
48:49
publicly traded company they want their profits to go up every year they want to provide value to their
48:55
shareholders um and then the value of what the customer receives um isn't as
49:04
good anymore and and and I've been sort of getting used to this sort of droing quality as I think lots of people have
49:10
they haven't necessarily been making a big deal out of it but medius uh very kindly sent us some bits and Bobs
49:16
recently so this uh fallout factions we we add him on for a chat show ages ago
49:22
James huitt yes um lovely lovely man he designed this um first thing I noticed
49:27
when I picked up the box I was like oh my God this is this is what they used to be like um well you know you not think
49:33
when you buy a new big box and Games Workshop that feels like a little bit of a vent doesn't it a little bit of you
49:40
know it's a really big um you know endorphin hit isn't it yes and then when
49:45
the box is almost like three grades you know thicker than a you know than a piece of newspaper it just takes the
49:51
Shine off the yeah yeah so so this is a game in a box um you've got
49:57
cardboard scery yeah but the quality of it is very very good to be fair the
50:03
gaming mat is paper yep um it's it's
50:08
always super interesting looking at I love looking at the Miniatures from uh from other companies uh you got your
50:13
rule book which is soft Pages the spru remind me
50:19
of like I I look at them and I'm like Workshop didn't make this yeah um it it
50:26
looks to there's a company called War Games Atlantic and it reminds me a lot of their Miniatures like I'm so I'm so
50:32
used to looking at Workshop bruise and everything just being like all over the place with all the G the gates
50:39
everything oh you've got you've got all the bodies over here and then all the arms and the guns um and you know what
50:47
to be fair it's lovely the detail stuff the detail on it all is really really nice like you know some of these uh
50:53
these gangers have got like you cords tied around their legs holding bits of armor in place and whatnot and the
51:00
details really really nice they are tiny compared to you know these like size
51:05
these are like making uh K the new the mo new modern cadan quite skinny arms
51:11
thin legs yeah yeah yeah which is good cuz it makes the scale right especially if you put them anywhere near Space Marine these are similar to that and
51:18
yeah but they're lovely so Fallout factions is like your Skirmish game this game in the Box uh all the scenery
51:23
everything you need is 90 quid um which I'm quite impressed with um and also is
51:30
I think it's I think it's a Well packaged game yeah and it's a game that you potentially might decide never to go
51:36
by any more of and it's still game isn't it you don't need to be add to it it's all that it's a selfcontain
51:43
thing oh this look shiny in you so so this this I'm really excited about I'm a huge fan of Mass Effect um this at the
51:50
time of recording I think goes up for pre-order like right now um and we got sent an an early release of it so there
51:57
might there might be some uh some painting and and and playing and stuff in the future but I love Mass Effect
52:03
it's like my favorite video game series like the original trilogy at least yeah um and
52:10
this I'm I'm a huge fan of you know I think I like board miniature board games
52:15
I think are my sort of sweet spot my jam yeah um
52:22
I I really like them small selection miniatures something you can pick up and and play
52:29
bits of like you could you could play an individual mission of this and that kind of thing um you know we we this is Mass
52:36
Effect the board game project hagalaz which you know bearing the name uh is is
52:43
a little bit interesting isn't it um but again right I mean the box is so good I
52:48
can't even open there you go [ __ ] thing um you got a bunch of Miniatures
52:53
there cuz it's a board game single piece Miniatures um you've got your mission
53:01
book um that you play idea kind the boards is in the book yeah um decent
53:08
quality it's sort of like that laminated sort of plasticky sort of paper um and
53:14
You' got narrative B and you've got all your rules and so on and so forth um I love the idea that the characters all
53:20
got their own sheet so you know what you do and you can put it out in front of you it's really cool yeah you even have
53:26
um a mass effect branded corre marker
53:32
pen like Workshop you know that Workshop never do that that's Peak gaming isn't it yeah PE like that's Sensational my my
53:40
love in it is the fact that you got all these counters and then they put bags in
53:46
and they also give you a cloth bag as well for everything you need to keep I
53:51
love the idea of going we accept all of this is going to get popped off and it's going to Rattle around the Box yeah so let's give you all the things to keepy
53:58
it's very very good they've given you as in the game you've got male and female shepher cool um and and and that was
54:06
yeah really really good cuz I think the box has uh lady Shepherd on the front and I think generally it was really
54:12
interesting like in in the original trilogy um like male sheeper was in all
54:18
of the uh trailers for everything yeah but I think the community generally decided they were like no we we like
54:25
female shepher um but you've got GIS you've got Rex you've got Lara and tally and the
54:32
Miniatures you know what for One Piece Miniatures they're lovely aren't they they're detail like I can't wait to
54:38
paint GIS up and and just wander around my house saying I'm in the middle of some calibrations right now um and so on
54:46
and so forth so this it's a lovely set game in a box
54:51
um you can so well presented it's incredibly well presented you've got
54:57
your your cards and bits and Bobs everything you need you've got you've got your branded pen um you can buy mini
55:04
versions of all the tokens and I think that's have physical bad guys instead of I think that's where they're going to
55:10
make the majority of their money yeah guess how much this is
55:18
oh oh cuz it's really the book and that was really nice I'm going to say it's about uh I'm going to go 880 quid okay
55:26
so I know how much it is but it shocks me every time so I I I need to double
55:34
check yeah cool 40 quid no you're joking no
55:39
seriously seriously yeah and that's not me doing some fake oh wow you know so
55:44
Mass Effect the broad game priority haggas 440 as much as the chaps were
55:50
very very kind to send them to me and they are a lovely bunch of people uh were very kind to send this to us
55:56
um we haven't been forced to to go on about it or anything and or be or be uh
56:04
positive about it just because we've had it sent us yeah but I am genuinely stunned at that's 40 quid yeah just by
56:12
the price of how much even if you leave Games Workshop alone just the price of board games in general nowadays yes yeah
56:18
so I bought um brass Birmingham uh recently and that is a
56:27
you you play the Industrial Revolution in the black country um and so it's all
56:33
like it's great because I know all of the towns it's like here's Birmingham here's nonon and centry like oh my god
56:39
um that is all tokens yes and that was like 60 quid yeah um so that's all this
56:47
sort of stuff um and you have a a board to play on and and so on and so forth
56:52
like board games aren't cheap no even like like wingspan is is quite expensive
56:58
that's one that we've got as well keep circling is that really you all have seen it because I know you you're more of a board game man than I am but that
57:04
really big Star Wars one you can get that Tak got nine hours to play oh you know what I I don't know that one oh
57:10
it's yeah it's like really inut it's got a lot you know you play the politics you play the wars it's really yeah um and
57:17
I've J many times I've circled that and that comes in getting close to Balaton yeah but a good you know and I know yes
57:24
more Miniatures than this but um you know this is still even cheap when you consider that if you know if you put
57:32
this up price wise against um Blackstone Fortress Yeah which you know you kindly bought me it's a Christmas F very nice
57:38
of you but um yeah I know you get more Miniatures with that but
57:44
um you don't get a lot much more compared to missions or anything this no
57:49
so yeah I can't believe that's 40 quid 40 quid like I like I I got the email
57:55
from their from their very lovely manager um like marketing manager like would you like a copy of it and I was like oh my God yes and then I I
58:01
researched it looked at the price afterwards and I was like no that that's got to be wrong like one miss off yeah yeah um
58:10
like couldn't believe it uh like to get and again this is where they will make the majority of their money because
58:16
people like me will go oh but I I don't want to play against the token I want to play against the proper serous the thing
58:22
is which is if you only got tokens and they went oh not doing anymore yeah you
58:27
quite happily fight a token but when you know there is another option than a token you want to play you'll want to
58:33
play that so the full set of Miniatures for everything is um over 200 quid I
58:39
think um which and and it's a lot of Miniatures you can get different poses
58:44
for for the heroes for all of the heroes because you've got um you've got boy
58:50
shepher with his like his gun and his blade but then fem Shep is just with a
58:57
gun so you can you can get it the other way around um the omniblade that's what it's called um so like
59:05
genuinely great yeah you know what for One Piece Miniatures they are really really nice yeah they really are nice
59:12
yeah yeah um and and I think it it it works in their favor in
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that you know if you're looking at like that's Rex he's a Krogan and I look at
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that and I go yeah a Krogan yeah and you'll paint him in Rex's colors and you'll go yeah it's Rex um in the game
59:32
you know the faces are a bit different and this that and the other like I look at that yeah that's Garis who is a tan
59:39
yeah and I look at it and I'm like I don't know if that's GIS but you paint him up
59:44
in the right colors and it's fine so the good thing is like yeah they've got a bunch of aliens and and you paint them
59:50
the right colors and it's fine they really um they really they just they really feel like um not feel because
59:58
they're plastic but they they just have a real Infinity Vibe about them which is
1:00:03
never a bad thing because still bloody lovely so but that's good value yeah and
1:00:10
and this is I think this is what sort of you know kickstarted all this is how
1:00:15
good this is and how much value it provides for the customer in that you know you look at
1:00:22
these like it's a board game it's a different product single piece plastic Miniatures are what people want with
1:00:28
board games cuz your average board game player I don't think would um go oh well
1:00:35
I need to paint these first before I can play them um and and like Gen Con is predominantly like a like trading card
1:00:43
games card games are like the massive draw yeah like L caror and and magic and
1:00:48
all that sort of stuff and people coming at to the artist Opus Booth were like oh I'm thinking about starting to paint
1:00:53
some of the board game Miniatures that I have yes um and and that kind of thing so they've left them
1:01:01
gray because they want you to paint them yeah um cuz quite often you just get color Plastics and you can just do
1:01:07
whatever yeah but these are all different enough that even though they're gray I'd be like right that's
1:01:12
Liara that's Shephard etc etc um so that's fine do you know what and and I'm
1:01:19
not I'm not aiming my remark I'm about to say as a comparison to Games Workshop because I don't think that' be fair
1:01:26
feels like a game it feels like um it feels like a board game that's
1:01:32
been put together by somebody that has got respect to the
1:01:37
person who's going to buy yeah yeah and gone this is going to go on a shell with
1:01:42
and let's be honest the person who's buying it probably has another three or four things at least I like this unless
1:01:48
they're just a hardcore Mass Effect fan and then with mass effect on the Hoover up but this the average person who's
1:01:54
going to buy this probably has got something else like a already it's going to go on a shelf there might be other games on top of it the box is nice and
1:02:00
thick and and you know everything every ability and don't get me wrong the the
1:02:05
plastic bags for your cards that also does exist in Blackstone Fortress so but
1:02:10
it it it feels like it's designed to go you will come back to the contents of this box in this box and um where I I
1:02:17
think kill team isn't like that now no really no no no and and so I understand
1:02:22
from a point of view well why do we spend so much money on making the Box really robust if you don't store the
1:02:28
stuff in it and you throw it away anyway like I get it but I get it still
1:02:34
really nice on and and having it be really nice on a product that is so much
1:02:39
cheaper MH so I think I think um like medius of of and like again like the
1:02:47
Fallout TV series on Amazon exceptional yes unbelievably exceptional medus mfus
1:02:54
must have been clicking their heels with joy when they lots of their Gen Con
1:03:00
stand was Fallout stuff yeah but you know when they must have been sitting there mustn't they and and you know
1:03:06
especially uh our our friend James must have been sitting there when the TV show was like up oh please don't be [ __ ]
1:03:12
don't be [ __ ] don't be [ __ ] oh yeah because they predated it about a year by about a year yeah and so who make um ah
1:03:21
who make for uh Halo the Halo game uh Mantic Mantic so you got medus with like
1:03:28
Mass Effect the original trilogy ended a long time ago but it was that good like
1:03:34
Mass Effect 2 is my favorite game of all time yeah um but it it's had such a
1:03:40
lasting Legacy and I think there's a new one sort of in the works or something along those lines um that that I I I
1:03:48
think there a do well um and you know I can see already you've got your Renegade and Paragon market like you know a big
1:03:55
part of the game is you make choices that affect the game so this is is very much leans into that I believe um but
1:04:02
yeah yeah really really like oh Halo TV show Halo the TV
1:04:08
show has now been canceled it has yeah two seasons and but in mantic's defense because they
1:04:14
are a company that I do like uh in their defense is that Halo the TV show being
1:04:21
poor is not great for them if it had been great it would have been really really good for them but also though
1:04:28
that game carries enough weight that I think that turnning it into Miniatures game will still it's fine yeah but I
1:04:35
think it would have just been a lovely boost if the TV show was something everyone's always talking about you know
1:04:41
yeah and also I think it's a bit was a bit harder to watch wasn't it because it's on Paramount yeah yeah whereas you
1:04:46
know a lot more people watch Amazon than those that watch Paramount in the UK especially yeah so um yeah but I think
1:04:54
um you know basing even though like you say this has been around quite a while now as a as a
1:05:01
um as a a video game it's again it's like Halo it's loved enough that I think
1:05:08
there'll be PL of people who be prepared to play it yeah yeah so and it yeah and it's just I'm glad you didn't tell me
1:05:15
the price and saved it for on air because I am wildly flabber I was shocked when I saw it that I went and
1:05:22
and which which is why I had to double check it even again whilst we were recording just to make sure it wasn't
1:05:29
like some weird like oh it's it's up for pre-order uh and it's slightly cheaper or whatever like I I'm more excited to
1:05:38
play this than than um than anything else at the moment so cool that you
1:05:44
know you know just to you know I could do with I could do with something like this with all me with all me strategems
1:05:51
when I'm playing 40K all just on one board yeah you know going don't for get to play that when you do that with him
1:05:58
you know with a man who's with a ailing memory these yeah it's really cool yeah
1:06:03
yeah what a lovely what a lovely presented game yeah wow um and
1:06:10
then because I said I was only going to be positive about um Workshop after this I'm going to talk about the road maps I
1:06:17
loved I loved how vague they were well
1:06:22
well do you know what got me about the road map the road maps at again we're I'm sure we're I'm sure we're you know
1:06:29
preaching to the choir you've all seen them no one no one that I have watched and I've
1:06:35
watched a few videos about the road maps no one's been positive
1:06:41
and do you know maybe they may I'm wondering whether they made them road maps for me in my alen memory because
1:06:48
the fact that they spent the first half of each road map telling you what you already had yes you go we Rel this you
1:06:54
go no did you what L what la la what what who who and they spent ages telling
1:07:02
you about things that you already had it's like you literally have come at this with no confidence in what you're about to
1:07:10
say so um someone on the Discord uh said to me um we were sort of chatting about
1:07:16
it a little bit in there and cuz I was away and and because it's in the US and the timings of it all I I just s of
1:07:22
completely sort of missed it and saw the pictures um um and and someone was just
1:07:28
like you know even the the stormcast video was just loads of the
1:07:34
Miniatures that were in Dominion that you can now buy individually
1:07:40
um which I thought was great I I also loved how the legion
1:07:48
imperialis one just said tanks I I thought that was wonderful
1:07:54
what are we going to be able tanks when tanks how tanks I'm I'm
1:08:00
smacking I'm I'm smacking because of just how well you've presented that
1:08:06
well it I it wasn't actually funny it was so
1:08:12
actually quite insulting yeah that you imagine imagine um imagine Ford did the
1:08:19
road map next year cars I mean people will go good that's
1:08:24
what you make that's what you make you do a reasonable job Al but what like what new Fiesta what you Mak what what
1:08:30
what are you bringing back next year more cars yeah so with four wheels and
1:08:36
then and Ford then went this year we made this and this year we made this but
1:08:41
was it the AJ sigar one just said all factions um which I thought was
1:08:48
wonderful who I because I didn't watch it I just seen the fall out of it who was what Paul sod had to do it
1:08:56
um I imagine it would be Adam Troke they usually wheel him out for the big um the big announcements and stuff you must
1:09:02
have been go he must have locked at that it's usually Adam Troke and Eddie echol
1:09:07
Eddie eek yeah what you're going to make me do what you
1:09:12
know and then is it no more 40K until 2025 this this this is this is where I
1:09:20
want to rant do you imagine if I done me last haircut last week and went yes I'll see
1:09:25
you in the new year yeah get to go yeah don't worry don't worry I'm no no I
1:09:31
won't be here to do any Christmas haircuts for looking good for New Year I'm just won't be here yeah who
1:09:38
stops in September like their biggest like tent pole heading into the the
1:09:44
quarter of a year where most people stick their hands in their pockets yes they'll probably do Christmas sets as
1:09:50
they do most years but who stops on C and the problem with stopping on codex now and and I can feel me voice Rising
1:09:57
is is that it's not like you haven't got stuff to be getting on with yeah yeah
1:10:04
you know what I mean all of the co all you're thinking about the amount of factions that still haven't got a
1:10:10
codex that still haven't got a codex and you're stopping in September I've said
1:10:17
this before and people agree and disagree personally I think when a new
1:10:23
edition of the game drops the Codex should be coming out not even one a month it should be faster than that it
1:10:30
should be a a fortnite bang bang bang bang bang and I'm not saying necessarily
1:10:36
I know you you the way it go well they bring a codex out and they build the hype up and then they sell Miniatures yeah and they go yeah but that's a even
1:10:42
that's a bit of a [ __ ] excuse because some codexes only get one one minute just to
1:10:49
flavor the pot yeah like last time around custodies yeah adeptus mechanicus
1:10:55
got that weird lad on stilt yeah uh the last time death guard had a codex got they got the Lords of arance who don't
1:11:02
get wrong is a good miniature but that's all they got all they do that the previous times to that adeptus
1:11:08
mechanicus got a marshall yeah it wasn't even like a really new thing they could
1:11:14
you could have a some varas of a marshal they go here's another one yeah you know
1:11:19
and and you go I'm not expecting you to give us armies every time you release of
1:11:25
codex it would be unrealistic to expect that to happen especially by the fact that a lot of a lot of armies have had
1:11:32
relatively recent range refreshes but do you know if you said to me you can have
1:11:38
your death card codex now and you'll have to procy a miniature in and then we'll
1:11:44
release the miniature later I'd rather have the Codex yeah no but they'd never do that
1:11:52
they they'd never go uh question mark name question mark picture he does this oh no no no he' be
1:11:59
he'd be in the Codex yeah cuz he'd be in the Codex bear in mind that it's not that infrequent now to to have
1:12:05
Miniatures in that have a data slate in a codex with no photograph of the miniature that's you get quite a bit so
1:12:12
just have his name see what he's armed with you either build one and pro you build one or you proxy one but they they
1:12:19
won't they won't do that because that's how the whole chap house thing happened wasn't it you're absolutely right but
1:12:25
has to be somewh around this because releasing codex this slowly yeah I know
1:12:31
people that got the guard codex that never got chance to play it before the before ninth Edition ended ended and it
1:12:39
was the first time in a little while they gone your codex is no use yeah and they went buy these cards yes and then
1:12:46
buy a codex yeah and then possibly if you if he if you're now really used to them cards have these cards buy a codex
1:12:53
byy the cards again Oly update the cards cards don't they you know we've got now two bloody big boxes of ring Cod cards
1:13:01
like towards the end of 9th it was like when everything's released they do a
1:13:07
balance update and then it's kind of you have that few months of calm where people can just play and enjoy the game
1:13:13
yeah but then the whole process starts again starts again it's just it's just not fair to people to make them wait so
1:13:22
long for their codex and it's a especially not fair when you're the last
1:13:28
in the line before you get a you know the next Edition hopefully 10th going
1:13:34
into 11th will allow codex to carry on like they did for a couple of variants on a couple of times in before 10th yeah
1:13:42
hopefully that will happen but 11 10th edition rules haven't a lot of cases
1:13:47
been very well received no there was there was an orex Tactics video um that
1:13:53
I remember watching and and and he sort of said I think we're kind of in 10.5
1:13:58
now yeah in the the style of codexes has changed yeah um in the more recent ones
1:14:04
that have been released and that were written after the release of 10th when
1:14:09
people went uh hang on a minute so I mean I mean there has to be a reason um
1:14:19
if they're not going to release anything for 4 months it's ridiculous don't go
1:14:24
wrong with I mean I'm I'm only being positive I think it's only a good thing
1:14:29
um maybe they're spending longer and will release more balanced and better
1:14:35
books well you can only hope can't you I they're redesigning all of the really beige Miniatures that they were going to
1:14:41
release and then they'll they'll just nipples on everything yeah yeah yes that's it there's one guy um there's one
1:14:50
person in front of a computer and Darren Lam's just gone nipple boy yeah um and
1:14:56
and he just has to put nipples on every single I don't care I don't
1:15:01
care but it's just like I just don't know when your job is meant to be
1:15:08
getting everybody their codec yeah you can just go I'm having four we're having four months off this yeah we're having
1:15:15
four months off this when you could be getting an army out how you are right how you aren't
1:15:23
doing guard codec before Christmas and they've already now said c are getting no shock to anybody
1:15:31
thanks chapter Master b um no shock to anybody C are getting a full range now
1:15:36
yeah right so you've got a big range refresh coming up for for C you're not going to release a codex
1:15:44
and all the boxes or a big battle box for
1:15:49
c for Santa you're not going to do that for Santa to bring it what are you thinking I just it's like you're going
1:15:56
there must be there must be a reason like they they surely I don't think anybody at Workshop to give credit would
1:16:03
say you know what we're going to do release nothing for our most popular game for four months in the leadup to
1:16:10
the busiest gifting period of the year I can't believe that that would be something they do on purpose I've got to
1:16:17
hope there's a crisis I know you say hope there's a crisis cuz that's but I
1:16:22
got to hope there's a crisis that means somewhere the line that's sting something out that's majorly gone wrong
1:16:28
it may even be as simple as this is them trying to sort out the whole Warehouse
1:16:33
problems yeah it could be that it could be that I heard the new robots uh at the
1:16:39
airport Factory they're unionizing um and they're uh they they want better working hours apparently
1:16:47
they they got their foot in the door better when they when they realized they could capture their own Katan
1:16:53
and this is our not on new shop student why is he got a side and floating don't
1:16:58
worry about that yeah um but I don't know I don't know what's happened but it's interesting isn't it it's
1:17:04
interesting do you know but the thing is is this thing is unfortunately interesting yeah Games Workshop you
1:17:10
always hope a me they went through a stage of becoming relatively transparent and they're now going back
1:17:16
to being back behind closed doors again no if you to come out and went sorry guys nothing for the remainder of the
1:17:22
Year we're still getting our supply system exactly where we needed so that
1:17:28
we promise 2025 if something's out of stock it'll be for a week and it'll be
1:17:34
back in and you know if they sort of went look we want to be able to have everything you need when you need it
1:17:39
there cuz it tally one of the things that boils my piss is if I walk around walk around Warhammer world and things
1:17:45
on in stock yeah some people travel literally across countries to get yeah
1:17:52
so Warhammer Wells imagine you go in there go we hav't got that yeah go but I've got it in my shop back in Copenhagen you know what I mean I didn't
1:17:59
buy it there cuz I thought it'd be cool to come here you know after the day you see in B Bar you know what I mean and
1:18:06
and you haven't got how can you not have intercessors do you know what I mean whatever it might be so I hope that this
1:18:12
break is because it's a logistical break if they've just done it and gone yeah I
1:18:18
would cuz C like imagine how much revenue they will lose not releasing
1:18:24
anything for a quarter of the over a quarter of the year I mean literally that would be like me as a barber saying
1:18:31
I'm going on me Christmas allies on the first of December yeah yeah I know it sounds like a comparison app and or but
1:18:39
it's the same thing it be like me as a wedding videographer going you know what
1:18:44
um I I only work when the clocks change to wintertime yeah like um yeah you know
1:18:51
people people love rain and darkness all I'm big on doing weddings between October and March yeah yeah that's it I
1:18:59
just want I just want some time to myself in the summer you know I just I've got to hope it's a logistical thing
1:19:05
because I've got to be honest when I seen the first bit of the because I read it from left to right and I look and
1:19:11
when they've did the first bit of reading the road map and they went here's what we've released because all
1:19:16
the all the information you actually want on like the right hand side isn't yeah but I read the left hand side first yeah and realized that you know at the
1:19:23
age I am you know potentially waste the time I haven't got and read that and then went you know I don't look after
1:19:30
myself very well I haven't got to if you any Rel anymore back I'm going to go straight to the right hand side read
1:19:37
just I'll read them first and I'll Circle the important for you but um just going but no Miniatures
1:19:46
to show was a surprise as well um yeah you know in some ways it but what why go
1:19:53
why go no miniature and why have no Miniatures to show and
1:19:59
then like they did this with um they did this with with one of with the whatever
1:20:06
the previous show was where they went oh we're not going to do anything with that one uh gen yeah Gen Con yeah they SC
1:20:13
their Reve but then revealed all the blood angels online only yes I mean because everyone was going J con Jen con
1:20:20
J con blood angels blood angels and the next thing you know there just a random Monday and they go t for this cheaper
1:20:25
for them to do I mean I mean maybe that's it like um they were like hey why do we spend all the money going to these
1:20:31
massive events renting a big Hall and playing a video on a screen that we could just release on our own website
1:20:36
for free yeah um again why make a good box if it's going to go in the bin yeah
1:20:42
um you got you Mak some points so maybe it's that like we don't have to like it no I'm only being positive so I love it
1:20:50
um I think it's great tanks so it's great it's great it's great it's
1:20:57
wonderful um I am going to buy some little tanks actually I I I I was making
1:21:04
the I tell I tell you off air cuz I don't I I wanted to to be a surprise
1:21:10
yeah but yeah if you're having four months off it better be because you're sorting something out that's broke yes
1:21:16
if you having four months off just to go old that's enough for the year do you
1:21:22
know what I mean you know I being2 I don't like being told that's
1:21:27
enough I'll decide when when that's enough you know what I mean yeah yeah I'll know yes but you go you don't need
1:21:34
anything more you got nothing think you might you know what I mean what's Santa going to bring me if you stop them now
1:21:41
where's my captain on a bike yeah where's my captain on a bike yeah come on but um just yeah I other than Kil te and I'm
1:21:52
not going to include because it's only a single basically a single minut I'm not going to talk about the Warhammer plus
1:21:58
Inquisitor other than Kil team they for me haven't really showered themselves in
1:22:05
glory the last few months no but if it was an AIA Sigmar player I'd be skipping down the road yeah on my way to the
1:22:12
Warhammer store yeah if I play to be fair skipping down the road on my way to Alman games but that's a different but that's splitting hairs yeah
1:22:20
but it almost is like they've have they have they give all the staff over to them to
1:22:25
really pushed the new age of sigar since its launch I I don't know what they're doing
1:22:30
at to do really 40K me as always well for a long time has been their Temple
1:22:36
product yeah and and I don't mind the AG by the sigma might take over but I don't
1:22:41
think many people by AES the rumors around the Sigmar release was that a lot of them are left
1:22:49
over um oh right like that's purely a rumor surprise um not one that I believe
1:22:56
oh no of course not uh cuz I'm only being positive but um yeah how true that
1:23:02
is I'm not I've got no idea but um that yeah there's a few a few spares knocking
1:23:08
about I think you like traditionally I think they under produce 40K launch
1:23:14
boxes and over produce Sigma yeah um like I go into the toilet Workshop you
1:23:19
trip over Dominion boxes on the way umuse door stops yeah all that all that great stuff he change that light bul
1:23:26
just put million boxes together clim yeah yeah um so so yeah there there's
1:23:34
maybe that I don't know but yeah they maybe maybe there is uh which we'll know is all facts I think there is some kind
1:23:42
of internal power struggle um in the Middle where someone's going no we need
1:23:47
to step away from the weird Gothic baby skulls and uh we just need to sort of
1:23:52
bifyton um I think there's also B you find it a bit B over on age of sigar you've got a
1:23:59
giant ratman with another ratman's head stitched onto the side of it you know real yeah yeah so whoever's in charge of
1:24:04
sigar has gone shut up and and they're doing it maybe they have more influenc
1:24:10
in the 40K design team I sorry go on um so that could that could be a thing I
1:24:16
think also um which I think is also really good thing sarcasm um they're
1:24:23
providing the value to the shareholders instead of the customer in the quality of the product and then perhaps all of
1:24:30
these um Supply and Warehouse bits and Bobs as well so teething pains Growing
1:24:37
Pains um an internal design Civil War I think I think what is utterly disgusting
1:24:43
um is the fact that whatever um looking at the design work whatever good drugs
1:24:50
the AG Sigma sculpts are on aren't sharing them
1:24:55
they some someone in sigar has G I found these amazing mushrooms in this wood and
1:25:00
then the guys in 4k are going where is it I'm not telling you it's
1:25:07
mine that's it no that's it yeah that's it you know could be so closer to the
1:25:12
truth that we know but yeah yeah it's so yeah to to sort of round up I think
1:25:19
are we at rounding go point I I I feel like it is yeah the the more it goes on um
1:25:24
the longer it goes on like I'm I'm willing to spend money on
1:25:29
hobby you better give me hobby to buy I'm going to give it to medius instead well I think yeah I think I want my
1:25:36
little serbus soldier soldier Miniatures so I can paint them up and kill them um
1:25:41
I want an alternative pose for for Chef yeah yeah but I think you
1:25:48
know Games Workshop must try harder medus on point at the moment yeah yeah
1:25:55
yeah yeah and they are lovely people oh they I played when I was at um oh and
1:26:01
then uh yeah when I was at uh Birmingham games Expo they um I played their new
1:26:08
one of Romans versus cthul was that medus as well yeah can't
1:26:13
I I remember you telling me about it was so nice especially nice because the the Romans were quite heroic so even if you
1:26:19
didn't play the game they'd look quite good if you played ancients yeah you know to have like a cool looking
1:26:25
Centurion with a couple of Swords the rest of you guys a bit Rank and file even if you weren't going to play that
1:26:30
game buying the Romans for it so they're on point at the moment and like I've said many times they are a really really
1:26:36
lovely bunch of people yes and to be fair they've got to be a lovely bunch of people cuz not nice people wouldn't sell
1:26:42
you that box for that amount of money yeah 40 quid well done guys still I'm still in shock yeah uh what you got
1:26:48
there oh yeah and and we've got some samples of the new P3 Ranger paints
1:26:54
these aren't under embargo so uh I can you got to love any paint that's got got to love any pain on mous magenta yes
1:27:02
that is pretty cool so I mean I don't know if these names are the final
1:27:07
product I don't know if the pots are the final product um but these are samples
1:27:12
we've got metallics and we've got a range of colors as well I'm really Keen to try out the metallics after the the
1:27:18
conversation that we had yeah um with uh with all that Ross's favorite color oh
1:27:25
there sanguin Basse yes which he thinks is uh he loves as the Basse for skin
1:27:31
doesn't he yeah yeah I'm looking forward to giving them a giving them a rattle you know yeah yeah surely that's a
1:27:38
really good play that's a fort yeah if you play Raptors surely that's a great green isn't it yeah like a really really
1:27:44
good solid olive green AIC green AIC Olive wow um so yeah we've got how many
1:27:51
colors we've got one two three four 5 6 7 8 9 35 18 we got 19 colors the
1:28:00
full range I think they were saying was over 100 or will be over 100 so we have a very small selection here but uh it's
1:28:08
going to be fun to play with them and and you know it's nice it feels like a nice uh a nice little sidebar to having the having them in for the interview to
1:28:14
them actually very kindly sending us stuff on yeah blind water green oh that's a that's a that's a very nice
1:28:21
rich Dark Angels green isn't it ooh yeah so we got I love the fact that
1:28:26
they've got they've got their own range of toys and I've just picked go oh look at AFF dude Marines yes yeah yeah yeah
1:28:31
yeah sorry guys um no no it's it's it's going to be interesting yeah and there obviously will be very good colors that
1:28:37
will match up really nicely if you are going to play their new version of War Machine yeah I'm sure they'll be great
1:28:43
these will be what they'll be using so I am intrigued meant to be lovely for weet
1:28:49
blend yes and that'll be uh surely how to weet blend that's your next thing to learn that's a thing for you to learn in
1:28:55
the video is no well I I mean my my series of videos isn't how to do anything it's I'm
1:29:00
terrified I stumbled my way through web blending yeah and hopefully actually get
1:29:06
to something usable um yeah Sensational so that'll be fun um but yes we can
1:29:12
exclusively reveal that we have a pot of paint that says murderous magenta on it
1:29:17
or Mo if you want and that's pretty cool we don't have what was the black one coal black Co black so to be everyone
1:29:25
we've got thar black Immortal black boiler black but I don't think we have
1:29:31
cold black boiler black or sort of machinic Sor you go you go oh that
1:29:37
reminds me a little bit of AK black rubber oh yeah we got rock hide as opposed to
1:29:44
rhox hide I guess mhm uh and some flash colors and bit some Bob so yeah that's quite exciting but there we go um yeah
1:29:50
wrapping up I think um yeah it it's been a it's been an interesting summer for
1:29:56
minatures it certainly has for better after yeah don't get me wrong you know I've been down on Games Workshop a
1:30:02
little bit I can't wait for kilon I really am looking forward to it yeah I I
1:30:08
think that is uh a great strength especially because we're going to try and get some cont out
1:30:14
cont content out of it as well so that should be cool throw and dice have a bit of fun yes you never know might even you
1:30:20
know might even be able to get a a a quick um Mini painting on Mini Payton guid out for something we'll see
1:30:28
maybe know yeah maybe try maybe at some point in the future paint of
1:30:33
es we'll see yes but so thank you for listening to that waffling and ranting
1:30:41
yeah tell us what you think yeah seriously this summer has been for you guys I know um I know a lot of people
1:30:46
have spoken about this already but as us round up we're covering it again and our viewers generally have some quite cool
1:30:53
opinions so like to hear what they are yeah so thank you very much for tuning in thank you as always to the beautiful
1:30:58
people that are the patreons we do really really appreciate you they are very beautiful they are extraordinarily
1:31:04
beautiful every one of them so there we go thank you very much and we'll see you
1:31:10
in the next one byebye

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