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hello I'm Jeff and I'm Ross and I'm Petri still yes oh you've been European
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for months now I have you know I'm a I'm a I'm a a citizen of the world it was just before we started the sen you
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brushing them on fcks aren't we all s tiny really strong
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little cof embra it's not it's for me it's not a continental breakfast it's just
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breakfast Jesus chist see that's how that's how that's how deep in he is oh my word yeah you'll know when he's
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German you know he goes through a German phase around about lunch time because he gets his sausage out yes oh I tell you what I I've been watching um it's the
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worst I've been watching I've missed you guys I really
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it's it's been three weeks and my weeks have been normal I don't I don't like it so um on the subject of uh being
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European I've been watching Emily in Paris uh with with my girlfriend um and
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through by choice yeah yeah oh Y and Bella there we go hello baby girl have
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did you bring her any treats uh somewhere I think we got she's got some knocking around some you can have some in a bit yeah yeah yeah good girl that's
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good we put we put treats on that table like once twice yeah and it's it's work
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to treat um so so there we go yes uh so we're watching Emily in Paris and
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there's so many cliches and bits in it like you don't have to have any idea
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about how a show Works to be like oh that's going to happen that's going to happen that's going to happen um I was like there must be a there must be a
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drinking game for this uh and there is there's an Emily imp Paris drinking game so whenever I watch it I crack open a
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bottle of wine and uh just completely Hammer by the end of it I read the review that said that Emily in Paris is
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like watching a young girl with her Barbie dolls making up in scenarios of things going on with them oh yeah yeah
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definitely it's terrible but everyone everyone looks amazingly attractive and
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they're all in super fashionable close I don't know I P that audition I think I
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think the the the French tourism board like have probably thrown like a lot of money at Netflix just gone make Paris
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look really good I feel like Emil Paris has done more for Paris than the Olympics did say that um but they do
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show parisians as like being a bit just like just [ __ ] off um but then some of them are really nice there's a lady that
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she buys Quant from and she helps her with a French but anyway Warhammer never heard of Emily and
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Paris I think I but essentially I think I'm in season two at the minute but it's a four season will they won't they with
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a chef uh a French chef whose hair gets worse through the seasons okay yeah fair enough sounds
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okay Warhammer yes so sounds like something to avoid yeah so you were in
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to uh uh to quote a famous musical the room where it happened
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um what musical is that from uh Hamilton oh okay um you see how educated I'm not
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I know tell me wow yes I was in a room yes or I was I
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was in a room next door to a room okay um and yeah I heard the cheer so you
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were over the one cheer so you were over and you saw
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firsthand yeah the um wonderful I'm still in positive mode you were last
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time you so positive last time I said I'm not allowed to be NE negative about about anything cuz i' moaned a bit too
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much I think so super positive about these amazing vague I loved how vague
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they were road maps um what was uh the boots on the ground we had a reporter in
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the field what was it what was it like I was at work like what was really good is like we were sat so there was a big
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round Auditorium there was like a main door then some Far doors then the doors to where we were as the vendors and me
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and Byron were sort of sat facing these these side doors um of this Auditorium
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you could just walk through um and but we were working we were doing dry brushing demos for the people wandering
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around and then we were like oh it's starting and blah blah and bring it up online and go through to the next room and I thought you know what it's quiet
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I'm going to have a nip in so I got in just at the beginning I was only there for 5 minutes got into the room just at
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the beginning to see the blood ball reveal with the the chaos dwarf and the
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and the goblins and they came up big massive Applause who that was the
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last cheer that that was audibly the last cheer I heard in that room so so
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staying positive though yes um a lot of people who went to that event got an early night because there were we did
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see oh there was there wasn't an exodus but yeah there were a few people disappointed and leaving like cuz you go
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there you you want to see models you want to see something yeah but if you don't see something
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I think the the best way and I don't know if you've talked about this on any of the other shows because I haven't had
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time to watch why would you watch it uh but no like the best way I saw the
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presentation summarized uh was somebody online who just put that was a meeting that could
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have been an email which which is yeah perfect yes
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things are happening things are happening and and yeah there was nothing to see now if they'd have come up and
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said instead of Eldar they'd have come up saying warp spiders like if that if that text had have been up there yeah
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I'd a cared but it wasn't it was just Eldar more Eldar I'm hoping War spiders
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I think we're all hoping warp spiders but at this point years old now so yeah they everything's made so far in advance
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yeah um you know 18 months at least I think is you know they're painted by the
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ever metal the photograph they get everything and so on and so forth there's no there's no way in like 5
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months time time they don't know what's being released yeah it's such a weird change to how it used to be I used to
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have there used to be mini you got games day they used to have you know the big used games day used to be um Warhammer
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games of G shops it used to be their big once a year show go to uh back then the
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last one I went to was at the um the Birmingham Arena that was in the center
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ofing they don't do UK events anymore yeah that's right yeah one sorry Us
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games day and it used to be a big event because the the shops used to sell tickets at the shop and people used to
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go on kids going on a coach and it was like a big big deal but they used to do
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for people who couldn't make it to them they used to do like a a mini one of them at Warhammer world and I remember
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being at one of them when um the main Han show for um for 4K was a guy called anti Chambers and it was literally a
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slideshow going here's what's coming out in the next 6 months or in sometimes
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further than that and then he also went into like interesting detail of going we've made a new Rhino and he went and
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how hard I had to fight to get this rhino made because he said I thought the old Rhino looked old was getting a bit past its best when I spoke to the bean
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counters as he put it he said why would we need to update something that still sells really well yeah and he said so
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the way I got round it was we went aren't we trying to move away from metal and they were like yes said what about a
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plastic Predator cuz back then the gun what about if we did a plastic predator
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and they went oh that'd be a good idea CU it brings the cost down and um you know and that' be good and he said and
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that's you know thank you very much and that's how you got your new R overs because we built a new predator and you
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know and stuff like that was really publicly yeah oh wow oh that's this talk
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about back in the '90s early 2000s but Games Workshop are a different company now though aren't they they're like
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they're a glob sorry for sorry talk also it was like the way they used to do things like that
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was like the space Wolf codecs in Third Edition when you opened it had a photograph of the new of the new land
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mod of the land Raider before the land Raider came out yeah you know and now it's just Terri they're terrified now of
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this oh you got to keep everything secret and and you're going who are you worries about but they
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want the they want that that drive like I remember second edition I used to use the second edition codex I don't think I
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read any of the words the chaos Space Marine codex to look through the pictures in the middle pages and go o I
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want that and then as they were released I'd be like buy it buy it buy and that's how I built my collection cuz I didn't care about the game I just built it
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around oh cool new model but Warhammer just are a different brand now they are a global name they are a corporate
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company they're not like we're all let's be fair we're all a bunch of nerds doing our little nerd thing we are and we've
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proven that who was it Spen who had his amazing short that got millions of views
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with his yes um do you know how you're a nerd cuz my channel came up in your feed
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like that sort of thing yes and he's he's dipping a Space Marine into some sand some mud that's it and three
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million views to dip dip a Space Marine to Bud um well done Spen well done um
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welld deserved great painter uh go follow him on Instagram and YouTube and all that um but yeah like they are This
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Global brand now so it's all about pretense and Grandeur they've got to do reveals like apple would reveal an
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iPhone not like oh yeah so we sat around a table and we thought wouldn't it be cool if uh
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custodes were were also female and we thought that would be cool is it custodia yeah that was the one that we
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got what like you know and and have the conversation they don't do that that that's not them anymore you know the
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thing is though I I'll argue a point on that of going you know oh well they don't want you to be counting down the
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days till a thing comes out it's just like bang here we go very mild very minor reveal early and then is a datting
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it out but in our household we've been waiting on Space Marine 2 and the date
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of the 9th of September which ironically is when we're filming today has been in
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the calendar has been in the home calendar if you will the mental calendar
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in our house for months just imagine your kitchen wall with a calendar on it
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you keep slicking through the pag youngest child my youngest child even though he's not old enough to play he's
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gone 12 days left 11 days so if the hype when you you can still have type when
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you know your release dat yeah yeah yeah you know what I mean and they show trailers months and months ago for Space
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Marine 2 yeah built up the hype gave you a time over a year ago meant to come out last year give you a date and no one's
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gone oh do you know what I've heard so much about it I can't be bothered with it to the point that I was looking to go
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and buy a hard copy of it today the car anyway I don't know but is it different when me like at the end of the day yeah
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I get I get what you're saying and and I would like to know more in advance so that I can plan my finances better
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around Which models I want to buy but the problem is with planning if you and I see this with 3D printers the brands
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don't tell you until two weeks before that there's a new one coming then boom it's going to be available on this day everyone gets hyped everyone buys it any
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longer than that and you have time to think and consider your expensive purchase and H maybe that would be
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better on food or something like that and and that's it like yeah you're right
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Space Marine 2 we've known about and we've been looking for that release date and we've probably had that release date for at least we've had that release date
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for about we've had that release date if I'm being conservative about at least six months yeah so some somewhere in
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there but the thing is it's not like two weeks later we're going to have Space Marine 3 or or an equivalent because
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there just aren't that many good Warhammer games no they have been on my
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great ones like sorry Warhammer games that are also good games I can probably count on one hand
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and and three of them and three of them are and three of them are da war two of them two of them sorry two of them War
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Don War 3 was terrible sorry my my mistake you're right I forgot about three yeah uh oh no but you can winter
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assault as an add-on for the original donor War uh we can count that as one of them if you want so yeah but yeah with
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add-ons both hands but yeah I can count on one hand the the great games but yeah so we don't get that so it's like you
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are hyped for that you've you've committed to that it's a momentous I think it you can't really understate how
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much of a momentous time it is that Space Marine
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2 has been released yeah yeah it's it's crazy and it's good like it's not only
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not only is it a good Warhammer game and I've said this about Space Marine everyone goes space Marine's great the
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original and it's like yeah it's good if you're a war fan but as a game it's it's
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Mash buttons and and the the weapons don't particularly feel that different
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to each other like you know you pick a LZ Cannon or whatever A or a plasma rifle because you're like I feel like
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using this one now I've used that one for a bit this one actually has un less
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so difference as far as I've currently got in the campaign I don't want to spoil it but in the actual PVE and and
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PVP your character classes do feel different the weapons feel quite similar you've got several bolters to pick from
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and it's like yeah I like that they' put them in a but they slightly different yeah they sound different and they've
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got a different way of of hand like one's a bit more rapid fire one's a bit
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more dof and one single shot and like but they're all a Bolter yeah and I I don't understand why why would I want to
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pick one maybe it's different on PC I'm playing on Playstation I do like that have you has anyone a PS3 so the
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triggers five the the trigger I'm thinking they're retro Bo yeah something like that
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the the triggers um dynamically adjust so as youve got P5 So
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and I've not really played many games on it since I've had it CU I got it used to
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do Warhammer games you can do feedback can't you get feedback like when I we played uh the game that came with the PS5 built in Astro
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oh yeah yeah when you there was a thing on it where you had to like pull something that was elastic and you could feel the tension in the in the pads
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respond it pushes back yeah it's got like speed back so like yeah so if if
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you've got a if you've got like a heavy weapon you've really got to pull it hard to go to do that and if it's a light
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Weapon It's and and yeah like the higher levels of thing and it's really good but Space Marine is it's good it's a good
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game it's not an amazing game but it's definitely up there like people who are not Warhammer fans will be able to pick
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this up and go yeah that was enjoyable they didn't cuz might stand a chance of being able to get a copy but anyway
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there we go it's been interesting seeing the reviews come out and some of them that haven't been they've all said yeah
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it's fine um like generally I think it's been quite well received some of the
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bigger I think it was like PC Gamer or something like that gave it like a six out of 10 mhm um and then seeing seeing
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see the people underneath it that are obviously Warhammer F just going in on them you clearly
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don't even understand start I tell you probably I tell you's probably a little bit upset because I think this has been
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the uh the game that's been standing in for Space Marine is I would imagine hell divers two will take an absolute part I
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think it's kind of fallen off a cliff already my my month my son did say that
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a lot of things have been nerfed in it and it's it's been a bit it's been a bit harder to
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I think there's a lot of people who've been playing hell divers to are space who are Warhammer fans and even the guy
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that is like the head guy behind hell divers 2 is a massive Warhammer fan okay so I would imagine once this has come
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out it's sort of he's clearly a Starship Troopers fan oh yeah absolutely I would definitely say that and and it would not
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surprise me if hell divers was a let's try and Shop this as a as a Starship
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Troopers game and he said no it's like all right change the Skins yeah cuz there is one of the criticisms s of it
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from I think this sort of fair to middling review um was Space Marine yeah
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Space Marine too they were like there's just not really that much humor in it um
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yeah you don't know who these guys are yeah and and I like I could definitely from from an outsider
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perspective definitely understand like two marines talking to it yes brother I would die for these colors brother okay
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brother wonderful heresy um you just be like excuse me yeah they're a bit still
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which is why I've always said don't make that's why I've always said don't make Space Marine Telly because they are you
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only can have Space Marines from the point of view of an ordinary person looking at them going AR they weird I know it makes sense yeah there is later
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in the campaign because I've couldn't like people have been able to you pay to play Early don't is this going to be a
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big spoiler it for me no I'm not no I'm not I won't won't but there is I can't believe near the end sanguinus comes
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[Laughter] back yes yeah um no cuz just just
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scrolling on YouTube and stuff what is in the thumbnails it's like oh that person's in it and so on and so forth
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and it's interesting like we're being quite I want to be sensitive because I'm not spoiling it for you guys yeah but I
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know that it will be a week ahead and we all will have played it since then and it's fine but there's a there's a line
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and a situation that mirrors uh something that happens in the
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first game and it just slightly changes and it's hilarious all right but it's
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sort of like it's it's said in a very dry Space Marine fashion and and if you did if you weren't aware of the first
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game or into Warhammer that much um then it's great as long as it makes you laugh
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as opposed to makes you roll your eyes cuz uh as much as I loved uh Alien Romulus that had a couple of lines in it
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lines from the first from get away from her you B yeah yeah
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yeah yeah oh my God like honestly go yeah like what was it I was say but you know what I don't wish to that to be an
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opinion Bas and to be based that film cuz I thought it was a great little movie yeah yeah I hate when they do that
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though it's like you don't you don't deserve that line like you do not but at the same time you know the really funny
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about a bit about it is you know the really funny bit about that line in that in in Alien Romulus they're not female
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aliens how how do we know well because the Queen's blatantly in aliens the Queen's blatantly the queen cuz she's
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laying eggs isn't she yeah right and then when weav when when Ripley faces
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off against that she knows that's a female alien not necessarily see male
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seahorses produce their ah see well well male seahorses welcome to Ross arguing
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the point I know what you say yeah but in in
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the with the the standard aliens we call them drones or Warriors or whatever want to call them they are perceived to be a
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male creature right cuz they never lay eggs they're perceived to be a male creature and they still used to get away
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from here you [ __ ] lying on something that no disable desable reason to
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understand that it that it it's it's m so it just felt really spoonfed is it is
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it is uh is the b word be Arch is it evolved into like a gender neutral just
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insult now you was like get away from the get away from them the the get away
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from you they them wait can we call let me
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let me try it Jeff you are such a [ __ ] yeah it works yeah yeah we can use it we all know where it's come
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from it's derogatory and all that sort of stuff and that's not great but yeah as language evolves over time I don't
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know anyway um I don't want to I don't want to fall down that rabbit hole and get involved in um uh uh politics no
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we'll let Jeff do it yes please aim all your comments to what n King to the most focused man on the BL Planet
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yeah but yeah SP me to um yeah I am eager to play it I've seen like some cut
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scenes and and and I know the plot and everything and it's like yeah I know
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yeah I like do best I'm doing me and this will be this will become a problem in our houses that the PS5 is downstairs
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we've only got one PS5 um it's downstairs my son will be playing it
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more often than I will get chance to so it'll be when I come into the living room it be case of like don't don't look
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at the screen stick me headphones in yeah you know cuz I'll have to do me best to avoid it you know so that's going to be a bit of a drag but anyway
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trying not to see what's going on you know me me and my son had that with SP you know the old Spider-Man and the old
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PS4 yeah and like we both got that and then it was like right you play it now I play it you play it I play cuz we were
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well late to the game and it was like right I'll stay out the room you stay out the room we have to do it and like I did when I played it when he was in bed
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but I to get ahead of him so it wasn't spoil for oh the second Horizon no don't spoil that haven't played it yet my my
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boys were my my eldest boy was playing that and I used to have to sort of come in and go literally literally be like
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that with me phone you know so not to look up and see him oh okay don't get me wrong he'd have his headphones in but
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it's like yeah so going back to my original points why can't Games Workshop
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just do it the way they used to do it off going 3D printing exists if they showed
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if because they show a picture oh that's yeah they show a picture of like hey here's the cadan Box people copy it and
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make stls naughty boys but realistically how but if they did it six months in advance
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like that 3D printed version of it would be available pretty much instantaneously
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so would be like I could have that now and I've got the rules for it true but literally how how on the grand scheme I
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think how many people really really do that if you did a photograph if you did a photograph got bit of an idea about
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well you probably know more than me just but you know if you showed a photograph of like one kadian and gave it a six
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months gun in six months time K has fallen but the guard hav't and just showed a photograph of one miniature
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months in advance and just gave a date and said when it's coming out don't even have to show the back of the miniature
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just show the front of the miniature Kia stands on this date do you know what I mean but this but this road map of going
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not only going thanks yeah yeah as we we talked about this not only spending most
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the time telling you where we've come from yeah like the worst satav in the world yeah instead of telling you where
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you're going you know what I mean and and then going oh and by the way we're am uh I know we're a big b we're just
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having four months off now imagine if you sat now did work like that and just went like you you literally got in the
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car pulled off your drive went Chester like that then that was all you got like
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TomTom was just yeah we're going to say your destination to you yeah is that that's not a road map yeah not only that
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but you've got four months to get to Chester yeah exactly that you pull out your drive and it's just like Head East
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until you reach Chester that's it yeah so on the way there you'll pass
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Nottingham Gregs [Music] yeah from where we are you want to go
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west to Chester don't um do you think of that shoddy road map sort of trying
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to amazing the font was amazing they did
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use an incredible font well there's always that's always good yeah should have done it in comic Sands no see
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that's the fact that they didn't use comic Sands it was it was it was a good font yeah I had my you know I've talked
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probably come up on my show before that my my youngest child is quite bright and he went through a stage of you know like
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when your kids just ask you all Relentless questions about the world and
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I remember where and he'd been on a real week of this of going what what's what's your favorite one of these Dad what's
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your favorite one of them what's your favorite one of them and I was do me best to answer and them but then you had to give an explanation as to why that
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was your favorite thing and I love it cuz it's it's your child learning to build themselves but with an idea from
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coming things from you and my youngest one's really bright and the day where I went I've had enough that's I can't I'm broke now you can't ask me any more
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questions which when Dad and I went yeah he went what's your favorite and I was like well we've done Cola animal
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favorite dog we've done all of these and I went yeah and he went what would you say is your favorite font and know right
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M we're done that's it we're done we're done there's no more favorites now for about six weeks what's your favorite
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font literally what is it it's the one where that one that one that looks like
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um oldfashioned um typewriter oh yeah whatever that's called that's my favorite F but yeah and I literally was
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like I'm broke that's meore yeah but um yeah so but yeah imagine but so what I
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was going to say do you think that they might actually do a c taster box before
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Christmas which is what they did with the cadians do it do a what it a c taster box you know where it's got the
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New Codex in there uh CU they did that with the cadians didn't they they brought it out late in the year yeah and
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then brought it out proper but they said like on the like after we did the chat
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last week which will be released today yeah um about the road maps and stuff on
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the 40K one I zoomed in and it said blood angels release culminates like
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2024 that's it wait so does does that mean so is that a road map this is the
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bit I didn't get so is that a road map to say before the end of the year we'll have more blood angels or was that
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saying you're done my interpretation it is the blood angels that have been
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announced that are currently unreleased will be released 40K done yeah wait the
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blood angels that are the blood angels are still only in the special box aren't they well there the special box but then
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also the the new sanguinary Guard the nippl sanguinary guard Captain by the
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time they've had their relig their individual boxers what would be by the time you're rolling towards the end of the year I have said I do want to do my
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first accessory STL like yeah 100% nipples s sanguinary nipples I'll sell
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them in sets of two even though even they're the same thing some water twice and just little 3D printable nipples dep
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but the best thing is unlike a lot of the Warhammer releases lately for like upgrade sprws and things like that you
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could use these on anything you could have any Space Marine with with the nipples you want I'll do a variety with
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and without arola because oh yeah yeah if I think the original sanguinary guard
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did have like the two tiered nipple on them yeah they had an AR and then the
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they did have the arola then the nipple yeah so we broke so we'll do that so
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yeah look forward magnifying I'm amazed I'm amazed and people say 3D printing
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doesn't enhance the hobby yes of course I love the fact that obviously the obvious answer was you're going to go
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I'm going to do wings and you didn't I'm doing nipples well why don't you go you imagine do
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toes oh what have they got have they have they not they haven't got toes anymore oh they don't have the like the
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gold sandals anymore why cuz I can't you know what I I think my skill in modeling can probably only just handle a nipple
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basically it's it's half a sphere is how I'm going to do it cuz I could probably do a sphere I don't know how I'm going
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to get the scaling I know nothing about yeah someone sent me a model yesterday they were like can you do me 200 of
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these for Spiel it good mate and I'm going to do them for him um but yeah and
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and they they're tiny little like models as like a practice piece and I was like yeah and then when he'd sent it me the
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head cuz it's only a torso the head wasn't connected to the body and I'm like I I don't even know how to fix that
28:44
like you you've basically put it the guy who' modeled it had put it there and the printer I'm using is so precise that
28:52
this tiny Gap would probably just mean the head would float like most printers will overexpose and just glow together
28:58
oh okay so this one I'm a bit worried I was like can you send it back to who sculpted it and make them fix that cuz I've got no idea how to attach that bit
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to that bit yeah no idea um Visions you sat up 3:00 super glue that's it yeah so
29:13
but um yeah so I think I could probably handle a nipple if it's half a sphere
29:19
toes is going a bit too far way too far you've got to actually get the shaping so I can understand now feet are an
29:24
entirely different genre oh yeah without a doubt and then you're going to be like oh they're not oh that one looks like it's gone in
29:29
Grown tone there we go and that sort of thing you know I just I don't want the thing it's interesting we in fact no you
29:35
had a point and then there was some I wanted to talk about you were saying something I can't remember it just is we
29:40
talked about this on the previous show it just seems bad to go you know we're now not doing anything else this year and You' got all these people who out
29:47
still haven't got a Cod there yeah so well so what I was going to lead into is because we kind of talked about this a bit last week I'm going to rehash it
29:53
again and again and again but is uh it seemingly we might be a point where
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models are fewer but it's a very interesting
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time for the hobby with like the licensing stuff essentially because
30:11
Space Marine 2 is out yes that's really really big um the tithe show on
30:18
Warhammer plus is really well received yes and then we've got the Amazon show
30:23
coming up as well oh the the animation one yeah no no so there's there's an
30:30
animated Space Marine show oh you're not heard about this coming on I've been working they're doing Amazon towards the
30:37
end of the something like third of December something like that he going to do a series of animated shorts that are
30:45
by the people who did uh love death and robots which is really wait go on yeah
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and they are about different characters in video games and a bit of an extra story for them wait different character
30:58
like is this Warhammer no well it's everything right armored armored cor is
31:04
in there loads of different stuff and there was a clip of kattos from from PlayStation and all the rest of it from
31:10
the God of War games on PlayStation I should say and Titus has getting his own one oh nice like everyone loves the
31:17
Titus don't it started the the like the trailer that they did started with Space Marines as well they featured quite
31:23
heavily in it so okay I need watch that's going to be really interesting and the quality will be
31:29
insane great because the rumor is uh a starties guy worked on there o which is
31:36
one of the reason the starties 2 is still taking it time is that apparently he was freelanced onto that yeah oh
31:43
brilliant because like I've heard the rumors that the guy who I forget his name I do apologize the the guy that did
31:50
aartis Games Workshop were like we want to hire you to supervise animations and apparently he did the Horus heresy anim
31:58
as well like when that um got oh the Horus heresy preview for the game yes
32:05
that was good they've all been good lately they they they have been they have been like they they and and tithes
32:10
is really a notch up in quality on Warhammer plus uh like I even thought o
32:17
should I subscribe but then I saw the main fight on YouTube and I was like nah I'm all right um yeah good though really
32:23
good the quality is is is getting up there the Amazon one will be Leaps and
32:28
Bounds better but um cuz apparently there was a press release on some level not long ago where they went don't worry
32:34
we haven't forgot about to start e to it's still on the way so yeah and I'm wondering then like Okay so we've got
32:41
this future where Amazon's doing Warhammer content do you think there'll be a future where the Warhammer plus
32:46
content just moves to Amazon because the the issue and I think you were saying this the is it tithes the one that you
32:53
watched episode two and it's brilliant um can't watch it on your Telly easily you can do if you start doing
32:59
workarounds apparently yeah and that that CU I don't know of a Warhammer Plus
33:04
application that I can use well because the really sad thing was is I wanted to show my elders boy the other day but I
33:10
didn't want to lend in my phone to do it um you know what goes the photos and it
33:16
all goes horribly wrong can you not cast it but say he in therapy if he ends up in me photo um oh so there's apparently
33:24
there is a Warhammer TV app either on the Apple store or Google Play Store so
33:30
if you have a smart TV so you've got to have an Android TV or an Apple TV Amon fire and Roku Services yeah okay well
33:36
you say there's a Warhammer app on the there's a Warhammer TV app on on in Apple TV app in the Apple TV oh well
33:42
I've got Apple TV I'll have to LEL so you should you should be able to do it CU I'd like I'd like to watch it on a
33:47
bigger screen than watching it on me phone no so it turns out you can do it you're just technically inept well let no sh
33:54
not well fair enough but the at the same time like with like there's sort of a a
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division isn't there like you've got all this all this Warhammer plus animation content then you've got Amazon like
34:06
where do you go for your Warhammer cu the TV show is going to be on Amazon whatever the TV show is which I think
34:11
it's Eis and Horn now is pretty much confirmed is it is it that's what I heard all right or that's what I read
34:18
but that might have been a rumor that presented as fact all that I've heard at the moment and there's so got be done by
34:25
conjecture and all that sort of stuff and this is it apparently the deadline for them deciding stuff is December and
34:32
whether it goes ahead or not and and this that and the other yeah um I think it's like like maybe they jumped the gun
34:38
in announcing it and CU was it aliter and said oh these so many of these things just don't happen yeah and I'd be
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very very surprised if it does yes um so yeah it's interesting like I'd love it
34:50
to go ahead and I think like all the hyp ground space between 2 and the animations and stuff and like anytime
34:56
there's a you can tell that t is doing really well because it leaks its way off of the pay platform and you go look oh
35:02
my God here's a custodi like stabbing a tyranid and then here's a sister of Silence doing um like the is it battle
35:11
count I think their version of sign languages or something like that um and no one understands them so the joke
35:17
about sort of like you're all doomed and you're all going to die and then they
35:22
all look at the custodian and she's like transl everything's fine
35:28
it's just so nothing to see here so funny I've seen that's kind of the short I've seen I didn't know where it was
35:33
from and I was okay that immediately that joke um has just gone like like and
35:40
completely been taken out of it and then the fights have have followed and they get so many views because they're so
35:47
cool and the appetite for it is there um which is which is great and and there
35:54
has been some like I don't want to just can't be ask get with it but there has been some more backlash about there
36:01
being a female custodian cuz that is the the star the custodian in episode two is
36:07
is is a is a lady custodian but then puts on the helmet kills a load of tyranids everyone loves it it's great um
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so yeah and I do like the fact that because obviously I know they don't go through the the same augmentation as
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Marines to that but they still do have all the chemicals and everything pumped into to become bigger and stronger than
36:29
they are I like the fact that they haven't turned her into some ridiculously glamorous she's quite Broad
36:35
in the face and you know it's like I think it's you know I think looks like they could murder you yeah you know I
36:41
want to watch this for just gigantis gigantic ism is it when people have overly sized um Limbs and things like
36:48
that and I think that's the idea of what they've tried to do with the custodies is unlike the Marines as the idea that
36:54
they they don't end up with like all the extra Blum organs but they have things to make them bigger and it's affected
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their fee she's not taking off the helmet and she's some you
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know yeah there's no like she's really really unlikable to be fair yeah which I
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think it's nice to hear people like going oh about a Warhammer Plus show and
37:18
if they were knocking out the park like this all the time theyd probably have a lot more people subscribing wouldn't he well yeah and that's it and I know it's
37:24
not easy to make it I know it's not like just sitting down and go we'll out a cartoon for next week I know that but
37:29
yeah should have been a bit more on it though the issue is I think with with tithes will'll be if the previous series
37:37
or anything to go by it will be three maybe four episodes long and then we and
37:43
then that could well be it for the rest of the year well that' be that' be consistent yeah yeah that'd be
37:50
consistent wouldn't it yeah we've done this in September and we're not doing anything else till the end of next year but anyway tanks yes yeah yeah
37:57
what what did they release on warham plus last year video wise P NEX PR Nexus and that was it
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right yeah three episod much yeah three episodes of PR Nexus maybe one or two episodes of hammer and Balter yeah and
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then the irony is is that the First episodes of The Tides is the sequel to P Nexus yes yeah it should have been
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episode four ideally to some and that was really good yeah yeah it was really thought I thought that was good um I
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didn't watch any of them like I watched three episodes of aartis and I struggle with the exact same reason that reviewer
38:27
of Space Marine T and I'm like where's the humor like this this is visually very nice but I'm so easily distracted
38:35
you need the humor even ways the humor ways the dialogue no one spoke yeah true yeah yeah and it's all well and good A
38:41
bit of chanting yeah I've seen the Snowman that was good I watch it every
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year at Christmas and and you know I but at least it's got walking in the air in it yeah exactly yeah but hasn't got any
38:53
heavy bolters no but it but it's that sort of thing like it's one of those God we need a we need the
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FL I'll make it spring overnight you
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watch oh like we need we need like a grim dark version of the Snowman where the little boy comes out and he's just
39:14
been playing Space Marine 2 and then he makes a snowman Space Marine and then he
39:19
walks outside the day afterwards and everyone in his village has been
39:25
killed just Flames everywhere just just gone um so get on that
39:31
animators there you go a free one for you yeah that would be great that would be great wouldn't yeah yeah but yeah so
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so Warhammer at the moment bad not bad no we can't not
39:43
bad we want more I I think I think that's the that is the key yeah I think
39:50
it's not bad in some ways and and you know this may be me trying to put a positive spin on it it's not bad at all
39:56
but we've got we've all got very accustomed to the Relentless release schedule and then we all binged about it
40:03
as well yeah and we have yeah this is great cuz like get people at Games Workshop May well watch this and go you
40:08
just can't please the bastards yeah correct yes and and and
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and I think they're probably correct in that like we all got used to the release schedule like utterly Relentless you be
40:20
like oh well I don't want to PR order anything this week but next week I'm sure this thing will come out and
40:25
whatever um and and everything gets you you have your Sunday this is up for
40:32
pre-order it goes up for pre-order on Saturday and then you're immediately into the next cycle because the day
40:38
afterwards you get your Sunday schedule and blah blah blah so like that's
40:44
changed but we don't know why and we don't really know when anything else is coming and what's coming so I think it's
40:50
that not knowing that is is potentially frustrating people yeah I just think I
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just I just can't get me head past because I just think it's unforgivable is that if we end up in the
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cycle like we had for ninth is that there was people mainly well dieselers
41:09
and Imperial Guard who were getting codexes so close to the game scrubbing
41:15
them out I just thought was massively a really bad misstep and codex's in my
41:21
opinion should be hammered out the gate and I know you can go well then they'll
41:27
have nothing else to sell I'm not saying you have to release any Miniatures just get the bloody codexes out and then fill
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in because my mate but my mate bestie Tim got his codex for Imperial Guard
41:39
never even got a game in right because when on like 8th to 9th where the codexes stood because obviously 9th was
41:47
a Polish of eth 10th was like no this this is It's a completely different um
41:54
game and your codex won't stand so you bought your codex for say Imperial Guard you bought
42:01
your codex for Imperial Guard within 3 months or so it was dead and then you had to buy cards to see you through and
42:09
then then the codecs will come out very early next year for guards I
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would say and then you buy cards again if you want to you you got because they suckled you into getting used to using cards on your table and liking it and
42:21
then when they bring the Codex out again you go and there's new cards so you're going just pammer the codex is out and
42:29
put in a talk about a miniature there's a group of Miniatures in there going to go right we're going to introduce this
42:35
unit don't release them people will just proxy them till you release them and then release them later on in the year
42:41
right I'm lost completely I and this is this is where we go back to the game
42:46
waffle but yeah no no no I'm I'm interested in this and I'm sure many people out there who who are into
42:52
painting on on the painting phase um don't get this like I don't so you
42:58
get a game let's say we've got what are we on now 10th edition 10th edition yeah so and in 10th edition what there are 30
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different armies available factions some like 30 different armies yeah 20 of
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which are Space Marines yeah yeah yeah but we've got thir yeah yeah Fair Point like and imagine it's codec Space
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Marines you don't have codex Space Wolves and no you do do some Christ yeah not every not every addition does every
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Space Marine that has a code before so I've got my game and that's got the general rules in it and enough for me to
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play with that thing and then I decide I want to play no not to no um let's get a
43:38
better example don't problem chaos Space Marines chaos Space Marines right so
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what do I get do I get do I have to then get the CeX the Codex chaos yeah but but
43:50
what if I playing is there a codex night Lords no there there's world eers and Death Cards oh so they get their own so
43:57
there's Cod so do I need codex chaos and no and codex World eaters but if you do
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Space Marines you need the 10th edition Space Marines because then say the blood
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angels is a codex supplement CU that's like a flavor if I play blood angels so
44:16
if I play blood angels I need the game you need the the rule book so I need the rule book I don't need the the the
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indomitus or the starter sets I need the r book Leviathan Leviathan I then need
44:27
codex Space Marines which is basically ultramarines y yep yeah and codex blood
44:33
angels which is a supplement yes okay to play the game yes and the models
44:39
obviously yes but then there are factions there are a couple of factions
44:44
within the 30 that just haven't got a codex yet loads yeah loads loads like
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what five of 10 elar haven't got one yet so they so you can't playar in to say
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well no you can cuz You' got the cards for it right and the general rules but
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they don't right is there a 10th edition
45:08
codex does every Edition have its own codexes codes is that right Cod CES
45:14
right no idea um so can I use eighth edition blood angels no so I need to
45:22
wait for a 10th edition but they release cards and the cards have got what the stats on yeah they like so what does the
45:29
Codex give us that the cards don't an updated updated rules and more rules
45:34
more flavor yeah so more rules than what the cards give us yeah and points um so
45:39
the cards are just the stats just the yeah and if they've got but also they will if we use the term here to just
45:45
make it easier faction they will obviously have there'll be cards that will give you their faction abilities as
45:51
well like going you know Imperial Guard first rank fire second rank fire things like that so there is extra card in
45:57
there that will give you the flavor of what that Army can do right not just just not just here's the cards for a
46:04
heavy weapons team or here's the cards for that there will be the cards that will make this be a codex enough to be
46:10
able to go but does that not give you a disadvantage to the against the person who has a full codex of rules quite
46:16
possibly yes yeah quite possibly because you then you get into Power Creep by
46:22
saying that usually the new codexes are more powerful when they get released and so
46:27
or just the only the only one that is is that kills that is the elder elar have
46:35
been hammering it at tournaments quite consistently for a long time and didn't have a codex and still haven't got a
46:41
codex but what do they do about balancing the game like so T come oh
46:46
bless am I asking no it's fine because there'll be there'll be people that we need yeah and
46:52
I genuinely don't know like how have I been in this hobby for 20 years and I don't know and it's it's when I start
46:58
asking these I've never really had friends I've never I've never it's quite obvious why
47:05
to both you and your viewers um but no I've never really had friends who are into Warhammer who were into it more
47:11
than me who can explain any of this to me and when you go and try and research this on your own it's like I I don't I
47:18
don't even know what questions to ask so I can ask you guys you can f me in thank you and like hopefully hopefully there's
47:24
somebody out there and I mean this nicest possible way who knows a little as well and and you know you asking the
47:29
questions as informing for him or her as well so so in order so the game's
47:34
completely unbalanced probably not completely no no not completely unbalanced but it's had it issues and it
47:42
was massively unbalanced early early 10th edition was shocking because no one
47:47
just no one could just beat the Alara tournament so but is that the same with every addition you tend to cuz I
47:53
remember the votan had to be like hey the votan Codex was so bad they had to
47:59
do an apology video for it which they never done before then do what wait so bad at overpowered and also it was so
48:06
bad that the German organizers of a tournament weren't allowing it yeah I remember this we met that it was great
48:13
yeah we did so so that oh we did yeah oh that's fantastic yeah um come back yeah
48:20
I've not seen him at an event since but yeah hopefully we'll bit another one um so right so you've got the game you've
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got some have codexes some just have cards do you get cards released for all the factions every so all the factions
48:33
get cards bear in mind I'm on the second box of cards for Space Marines in 10th
48:39
yes why cuz they when they update the Codex they update the cards as well yeah
48:45
okay and this cards you've already yeah the cards will get your buys yeah and
48:51
then when the Codex comes out they release the Codex and then they release them cards again
48:57
right with with them because the cards are nice to E Yeah and and that's how they suckered me was really speaking I didn't need the cards again because I
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now had a codecs my old cards were basically dead yeah but I now add me codecs which meant them C code cards
49:10
could go in the bin so how much is a pack of cards about 12 15 quid and how much is the CeX like 35 yeah okay fair
49:17
enough but then the issue is the Codex and the cards come out like this is well trodden by every single Warhammer
49:23
YouTuber ever that Lo knows way more than we do but like the Codex and the cards come out the Codex gets nerfed so
49:30
everything that's kind of not everything but a lot of what's written on paper in Inc needs to be changed because they
49:37
update the points or they go oh actually well the only good thing is it's on the cards they don't put the points on and
49:44
and even this is how bad but even like even so 10th edition gets released here's your blood angels cards like
49:50
here's 10th edition and here's your thing here's your blood angels cards now the blood angels never got cards forgot
49:56
to say I only space marace Mar got cards right do blood
50:01
angels now have cards now that well when their codec comes out for the rest of the world in the yeah cuz it has already
50:09
technically come out in a limited release in in the starter box and that comes
50:14
with cards as well all comes in a lovely little folder cuz I've got I cuz I got the I bought the the Cru daily release
50:22
for to and it comes with a lovely little folder you open it up and your codec is in there and you can't are in there
50:27
right okay so the game isn't balanced but it's balanced some armies have codexes some don't some have cards some
50:32
don't when you get a codex you get cards yeah but not everyone has cards or codexes most people have cards fewer
50:39
have codexes and you can go entire releases without a codex for your army
50:45
and what is the point in a codex then why are they wasting their time making
50:50
codexes when they can just have everything more balanced with cut fair and off to to quote to quote The OJ's
50:56
one of my favorite with funk bans money money money money money yeah that's that's it yeah
51:03
so do you even get cu the reason sorry the reason the bloody simplest way to do it is just release the codexes digitally
51:10
and then you can alter them which is what happens time as well isn't it they would have to go they would have to decide right we are doing these factions
51:18
and no others and then do it this is why like comparably like one page rules I understand better because it's it's on
51:26
one sheet because both sides um and one sheet rules sounds a bit toilet so I
51:31
don't think they can call it that but it's it's one page basic rules but then your army is two or three pages for your
51:39
and and that's you know front back and another front yeah yeah and but they've and they've got numerous factions now
51:46
across various games but they constantly updated to balance it as far as I'm aware because there's a lot less to well
51:54
there's there's almost as much to deal with range won't be anywhere near as big as do tell mind BL I would argue it
52:01
might actually be bigger all right you know just come to mind of talk about how many codec how many books can you need
52:08
ready 10th edition rule book yeah one
52:13
Space Marine codex two dark angel blood angel or black
52:20
Templar codex yeah okay three yeah and then your Bard and actions book four
52:26
books to play Bard and actions oh so oh wow really so you need the you need the
52:33
40K 10th edition Ru book you essentially when you're playing boarding actions it's not like kill team which has got
52:38
its own I thought boarding actions was its own thing no it's boarding actions just has rules in it that 10th edition
52:44
doesn't cover for close work quarter fight oh I bought it I'm sorry I didn't bring
52:50
it with me it's a great book but yeah so you essentially if you're playing
52:57
supplement Marine Army you potentially could if you want to play board and actions could end up with four bucks to
53:02
play yeah and then I don't get how much I don't have enough time to sit and paint in adulthood yeah never mind sit
53:10
paint read book and then find time to play with can we just do kill team we we did that we are going we promis we
53:18
promised you we do than I want I want to play cu the the really interesting thing with 40K is from from like I guess an
53:24
outside perspective of of playing it they balance it with tournament wins and
53:30
losses yeah tournament the only way how they do it so like we've we've had
53:35
Vanguard tactics on before yeah and the title of that video was like is a tournament's ruining 40K and we had a
53:41
good chat about that um were they not well not not he was like potentially
53:47
Steve box is a lovely guy but obviously he is to some degree going to fight the the tournament Corner because that's what he's famous for yeah no but it's
53:53
like like it's certainly a very stylistic way of playing the game
53:59
representative of how everyone one of our one of our favorite bits of footage ever wasn't it was the the London
54:05
tournament yes so there was a there was a London tournament I told this story
54:11
before but for the benefit of yourself it's wonderful two two years ago maybe maybe even maybe two three years ago so
54:17
is it what was it it LGT LGT I can't remember who the other guys
54:23
are Space Marine chapter I think was it that and um it essentially came down to
54:30
they had such busted lists of fers horopter and know the ones that look
54:35
like like a bit Leonardo da Vinci style but there was a rule the rule of how many of them you could take was
54:42
shuny to say the least cuz they it was a really interesting time uh because you
54:47
could spam loads of vehicles so they they have the rule of three now so you can't take any more than three and if
54:53
you want to do all vehicles you should probably play a different game um so it all came down to like who won
54:59
the first dice roll to go first yeah right um and then the game ended the
55:04
person that won the dice roll we were watching you could watch this on a top down video so we actually this was we've
55:10
seen this and um and it and the game it it was quite like a cuz they miked up
55:15
the players and they were kind of like bickering with each other a bit and oh I didn't see how many D I thought that was a three and and that kind of thing uh
55:23
this one chap one um and he was like okay good game and the other guy was like well it wasn't was
55:29
it oh but my point for bringing that up was almost within the week they reduced
55:36
the number of how many of them Flyers you could take for admin right so how though how was that how was that commun
55:44
because it'll go out in it'll go out in the um they because they do updates yeah where Warhammer Community is where
55:50
you'll gener and and they used to do with like tournaments and things if you wanted to play Tournament level 40K you
55:56
had to have like every quarter they would release like a chapter approved book which would update points and rules
56:04
and that the other and everyone was like this is just getting ridiculous so that has been tweaked which is one this where
56:09
the app this is one of the things I was going to say uh I've got to be honest I I'm a bit of a fan of the the uh
56:16
Warhammer Army Builder app we need to talk about the kill kill team stuff as well in a b yeah but um I I like the
56:22
Army Builder app and the thing about the Army Builder app as well is it actually has the 10th edition rule book in there
56:27
and the rules for 10th edition have just had a bit of a shift as well we're now as P last episode said we're now talking
56:34
they're now referring to it as 10.5 Edition rules it's had a bit of a shift but the thing is to be fair to them they
56:39
go in and they update it all on the app so if something's got needs neren you don't find you can find out about it
56:46
from Warhammer Community but within no time they've gone in and they've SED it I think that that's where it needs to
56:51
and it's good that they've recognized it like that's where it needs to be does it track your wins and losses and and like
56:56
have like social that would be good wouldn't it like you know no that's something that they do they do every so
57:01
often we'll show you how a particular faction is doing tour and things like that yeah it' be nice if you had like a
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197 two one oh close um but I'm I'm Jeff
57:21
1972 it depends when your birthday is um but yeah and then you're Pat 89 I
57:30
wouldn't have said that I'd have said like Pat Wine Drinker or something yeah um yeah so pat pat the pat um but yeah
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and then you guys are like right we're going to have a battle and then maybe record your result or something like that throughout it and and have like a
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social aspect of it but I do like the fact that yeah four books no I don't
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want to play your game one app all right yeah yeah I do like the fact that you um
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which again is a bit ropey because people going well you're paying for that but then you have to pay again but it
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doesn't hugely bother me it's like when you get your codex there's a code in the back of it and it means then you can unlock for for that oh so you don't get
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it free on the app so you got to pay your sub so you pay your subscription to war Plus or just the app yeah or just
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the app um and then after that you've then got to buy your book that makes
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sense like you know they they do they can't I get why they don't just give away the rules for free because people
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are actually there working on them and they've got to pay a book and you wouldn't want to just get make every
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book available no exactly you know it's like it's annoying me a little bit at the moment cuz what I actually if
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anybody if anybody's got it and would like to send me a DM and give me it or I'll even buy it off them is can I have
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the code for um imperial agents because I only want to know what the bluming
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Assassins are doing I don't want to spend 35 quid on a a just somebody just
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tell Jeff what the Assassins are doing I'll tell you I no I'm going to tell you what they're doing right now
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[Music] assassinating not if it's a night least at least they staying on task which is
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yeah so that's so for the imperial agent so if you've got an Imperial Guard Army you you youed you need codex AST
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militarum yes and for the Assassins if you want to put them in if you want to put them in you now need the Codex for
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agents of the imperal yeah or imperial agents whichever way round it's written until 3 months from now and they get
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cards that replace all those things cuz yeah cuz they'll get their codeck in I reckon uh death cor cre SL Imperial
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guards will probably come out I know we've derailed this quite a bit but like as
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somebody yeah there is there is that um for somebody who does not get the game
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at all and for those people out there who do get the game hopefully my
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ignorance paints a picture as to just how mad this actually sounds when from
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the outside looking in which which for me is why when we very kindly got sent
1:00:05
Mass effects the board game from medius I'm like oh I've got half dozen
1:00:12
Miniatures all the rules are in this box it's cheap it's good awesome yeah it's
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got dice let's go yeah yeah and you even asked me you said how much do you think this car sell was like 60 quid you were like nope 40 and I'm like oh yeah board
1:00:27
game prices but to be fair the Miniatures AR they they they're a far
1:00:32
cry from the quality we get from Warhammer and that's why game level I think are pretty decent oh yeah yeah
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sorry yeah not trying to put them down yeah board game they're really really good but yeah like for me like games
1:00:44
workshops they're in such a unique position aren't they because are they a
1:00:50
game company or are they a Miniatures company well they say they're a Miniatures company just also release a and and this
1:00:57
is it rules for their toys going going back to like their their mission statement is we're going to make plastic
1:01:03
Miniatures in notingham sell them for a profit and do it forever that's like oh is that really what it is it's not
1:01:08
verbatim but it's very like that's that's pretty much it it's very Bare Bones we're doing this this is what we
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do God I wish they could be that straight with the community yeah um they probably sell a lot more so the uh
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another chat we did with games designer James hwit um
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and you know he that is the mission statement the games are a vessel to sell
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Miniatures does having a balanced game mean that they will sell
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less uh like maybe a little bit but probably not very much yeah don't know depends how big the game isn't like if
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it gets to the point where it's scrutin uh I was about to say and then and then I realized the audience I'm talking to
1:01:55
if it gets likes if it's so bad it's scrutinized heavily for its lack of balance then yeah of course it'll start
1:02:01
people buying them and then I remembered Warhammer yes and it's great because and and and you know we we've all gone yeah
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God you four four books to do bord and actions three let's just play kill team
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let's just play another Games Workshop product like yeah you're good segue into way
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yeah please do segue into so we before we do go to segue I want to ask a question that I've asked a
1:02:28
few people around and no one's answer it and I don't want you guys to answer it I want the audience to answer it why Games
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Workshop why it is it like with so many and yeah I'm I'm big in the 3D printing
1:02:41
scene at the moment so there are thousands of models arguably some better and even I don't care I will see another
1:02:48
miniature by another thing like Luke Studios makes Incredible Miniatures they've just done the minis from Arkham
1:02:54
Horror oh my God they're incredible and they're 42 mil as well which means bigger easier to paint
1:03:02
fantastic and then I'm like but i' I'd still rather paint a Space Marine so why
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is it we are so and again you guys don't answer this we get to kill team why is it we are so tied to
1:03:15
Warhammer when we see other Miniatures that are released that are arguably better technically better we don't care
1:03:22
and we see Warhammer Miniatures wow why why is that there so kill team I feel like it's going to be an individual like
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it would be quite a specific answer I want to hear people's reasons I want to cuz I don't I think for me it's
1:03:34
Nostalgia and I think for a lot of people it's probably Nostalgia but I'm like I don't know why it's Nostalgia
1:03:40
because I don't care anymore I think there's some like there's something
1:03:46
there's an X Factor to Warhammer that they have like the design aesthetic of Warhammer I think is really unique yes
1:03:53
in in a way like I look at some and I go yeah technically like at Gen Con there was that massive loot Studios there was
1:04:00
like a lady in like a mech suit or something oh yeah yeah and it's like half open oh that's one SE same one from
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adap yeah and and that looks amazing um and it looks really really cool but I I
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think like what Warhammer have done that everybody else copies is they any any miniature company that wants to succeed
1:04:20
has to have three strands it has it Miniatures it has the game and then it has the law behind it as well um and
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that's what they've done really really well like I I've been listening to getting updated on my kyus K Books um
1:04:33
and I I was like I had I had a little bit of a Hiatus from kyus K because I was like oh I'm getting a bit getting a
1:04:39
bit caned out you know what I mean I did too I I really enjoyed both them but I also said and you're going to bed for a
1:04:44
little while yes yeah so I'm on book 11 um wow um but I I had a break at about
1:04:51
like book nine I think cuz I was like oh just you know it all books are the same
1:04:57
but they're all equally great and and he has no character development talked about it before CIS K's awesome um but
1:05:06
the stories and the quality of the audio books is so good like I got advertised
1:05:11
on Audible like oh this this guy's like British Jack Reacher I can't remember what the name was I was like you know
1:05:18
what I wouldn't even listen to a preview I'll just download it that looks quite good bit of a change bit of like an action oh he's xss and he's angry and
1:05:25
drunk um and the recording quality of the guy narrating it was really poor and
1:05:31
I just had to stop listening I was like I it was rubbish um and a few other ones
1:05:36
that I've done where I'm like oh I just don't like that person's voice like I it it it feels like they've recorded it on
1:05:43
their phone on a street yeah um and it's all really distorted and and this that and the other I think like what Workshop
1:05:49
have done with um the audio books is all of their voice actors a top knot they
1:05:56
fit the world really really well um and
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just having that law and and all that sort of stuff so like if you put you know a miniature on a table you're not
1:06:07
like oh it's this really cool lady in the mech suit I don't know um but you're
1:06:12
just like oh this is chapter master so and so and he's done this and he's done this and this chapter's done this and
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have you heard about the Emperor of mankind holy [ __ ] like um you just get way more involved yeah it's true it
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really is true so maybe it's maybe it's the law so yeah so I'm interested to see what people say I want to know why is it
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like the question is more why is it we get so why is it an event when we see a
1:06:36
mini whether we love the mini or hate the mini why is an event why is it an event for you with Warhammer Min is that
1:06:42
it's not that could be a show it's almost it's almost a hobby within itself isn't it is loving the miniature or the
1:06:50
when you see the photograph of it loving the miniature or loving to hate the miniature isn't it yes
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just being talking about what's coming out is almost its own hobby is yeah yeah
1:07:02
please then te kill team so we had a a a brief chat where we were just like they
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fly now they fly now yeah they fly know um where we were kind of like how how in
1:07:15
Earth what are they going to do with kill team because they've already done loads of teams and told you before oh
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yeah they're going to swim now yeah
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your hairs are here first folks yes yeah yeah kill team aquatic Edition big [ __ ]
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now yeah Cooking Mama Space Marines that
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brilliant um and we have an answer yes and and that is uh classified kill teams
1:07:49
so what they've done now is they're going to tell you and to their credit
1:07:54
they've told maybe like a year in advance M that some teams will leave leave so the earlier
1:08:03
kill teams like the Commandos death cor cre that kind of stuff won't get you won't be able to play them in a
1:08:10
tournament this this will be the last year that you can yeah um they'll still get updated I believe somewhat but you
1:08:18
won't be able to take them into tournament play and things like that you have some worries about this but please continue oh my worries is is when say
1:08:25
they're leaving does that mean they're leaving leaving or are they just going
1:08:31
to get reboxed into 40K uh so it says you can still enjoy playing them in all of settings except
1:08:37
for classified tournament play MH uh and they'll continue to receive updates
1:08:42
including for balance until the end of this Edition they basically said after that when I read that almost felt I was
1:08:50
reading between the lines a little bit was like going we're running out of shelf space we can't just keep filling
1:08:55
it with more and more kill teams yeah and I think this is a I think this is a problem of their own making to some
1:09:01
degree is If instead of revisiting factions with more kill teams
1:09:08
they just made their way through all of the factions first yeah give you an example oh so
1:09:13
instead of doing more to yeah do so you know so tower out that is basically
1:09:20
Tower have been in it twice so far yeah if you
1:09:25
cruit that one that they've just revealed got the flyy Flappy yeah so they've got three basically out of one
1:09:31
codex that's three kill teams yes and and you're going B and I'm not I'm not
1:09:36
shouting their Corner because they something I play but going so you've had three Army a three kill teams out of one
1:09:42
codex and there still isn't a death guard yeah yeah and there still isn't an
1:09:47
admech and you know but then what what would they go down to would you have them do alarin blood angels Dark Angels
1:09:55
Space Marines cuz I think they've generally settled on like 10 Miniatures a kill team Space Marines if you have 10
1:10:01
Space Marines going up against 10 chaos cultists like Space Marines in the law wouldn't even blink bang bang bang bang
1:10:08
bang the one of them had 10 night Lords in it oh they did yeah
1:10:14
corrected Mar but um but yeah if they so
1:10:20
in the law Space Marines had easily kill there but you're going yeah why didn't
1:10:25
you try getting through all of the what you know which is it sometimes sometimes Games Workshop design of things they
1:10:32
release it's a bit like you're you're relying on somebody with ADHD to release your Miniatures for you you know it's
1:10:38
well that's where they've got me cuz I'm like I can't follow them but yeah i' I'd like organization what I want to know is
1:10:44
say for example they're saying they did to some degree said look we just can't keep supporting everything can kill team
1:10:50
which I understand I get it is but you're going well
1:10:55
does that mean when you say you can't support them does that mean that in 18 months time you won't be able to buy all
1:11:01
Commandos on the kill team shelf in their nice little Orange Box will they be gone and if they are gone are you
1:11:09
going to just kill them off completely or are you going to Rebox them because they are in or codex's and
1:11:16
then move the Commandos into the 40K section of your shop or will you just go yeah you know
1:11:23
what I don't know cuz you're still taking up shelf space yeah cuz I would like all you're just
1:11:28
doing is moving your shelf you're just robbing Peter to pay Paul aren't you yeah yeah cuz I would like to think that they get moved into 40K but then as
1:11:36
we've kind of said before like you you end up with this like really weird like maybe not really weird but like a really
1:11:42
decorated Squad that doesn't and oh this one's got medic and theyve got all these cool pocket knives and all this extra
1:11:48
detail it doesn't nothing in your game yeah so it's like and you know and this is like cuz then the a c will probably
1:11:55
be an easiest one to understand because cre are getting a full Army well yeah well I don't even say
1:12:01
it's rumored because the Blum Road map is about the only thing it did say of any use a picture of a c yeah and it
1:12:07
said that they're getting the death cor cre are going to get a do they have any tanks though I to see some new tanks
1:12:14
just tanks no what they'll do in my opinion they'll just carry on releasing the tanks and what they'll do is they'll
1:12:20
give Z cre an accessory sprew and they'll have a half the body of a tank commander on right from the legs down
1:12:27
yeah yeah you can you get your ogal da and just put
1:12:33
him just two feet sticking out but so I think that's what they'll probably do is your tank commanders will probably come
1:12:39
on the sprew on a upgrade sprew which might sound B weird but the Cadian upgrade screw sprew has got a tank
1:12:46
commander on it so I think they'll just mimic that to some degree so I think the cre going is all right cuz the cre will
1:12:52
probably end up with their own 40K box because they want to promote them as their own army yes but things like what
1:12:58
will happen to the Commandos and then what will happen cuz they're quite a Mainstay in a lot of guards armies when you this finally whittles its way around
1:13:05
oh like kasak cakan eventually will kasak end up will kasak eventually end up being pushed into 40K so maybe it's
1:13:13
like is the the format is generally at the start of a new edition you get two brand new squads teams kill teams yeah
1:13:20
um but then the next one will have one new kill team te and then an upgrade
1:13:26
sprew that's right so then maybe the upgrade sprew ones just die yeah and
1:13:32
they keep the um the newer ones cuz say like the TOA uh like the five was it the second
1:13:39
one where it's like to and sisters yeah Pathfinders yeah Pathfinders like they got a mild they already have like a
1:13:45
model kit yeah they well it was the same with um Space Marine uh not not
1:13:51
intercessors they're sneaky ones infiltrators yeah yes yeah um they got um they just got an upgrade scw
1:13:58
which has here's a cooler looking gun with a guy with a set of goggles and here's your medic bag and here's this one so why again on a shelf would they
1:14:05
have his two pretty much identical boxes this one's more expensive cuz it looks cooler but they just have the same rules
1:14:13
yeah I can't like but it just means what you need but the problem being is is that if you if they say we're continuing
1:14:19
to support this Army but we're not going to give you access to the sprew
1:14:25
to make him to turn them into a kill team viable option you're then going well you are effectively to some degree
1:14:32
killing them aren't you it's basically if you still own them you can still play them but we're not going to make them
1:14:37
and I I also understand because I understand shelf space is money yeah I completely get it but it's like because
1:14:43
they'll have to have Orcs um but so when so they'll do like storm they'll redo
1:14:50
the storm boys right yeah I think storm boys are kill te commos and they'll be around two years and then the all
1:14:56
Commandos will get shuffled off somewhere into re it would be annoying if you opened your codex would they and
1:15:02
when they look cool I'll go and buy a box of what where when Commandos where
1:15:07
where but then with the release schedule of 40K we're one
1:15:13
year in so we've got two years until 11th Edition yeah no not that is it
1:15:20
quite it's every three years every three years what comes out in the middle cuz every every year for the last it's two
1:15:26
years cuz every year oh no no we had hor heresy heresy jumped in the middle there
1:15:31
see it should be four we should have heresy old world
1:15:37
40K sigar and just keep doing five years and then everyone will get a chance to
1:15:42
get their codec and use it and actually play it for a decent amount of time oh so stick Lord stick the Lord of the
1:15:48
Rings in there as well there you go there's you five do that just cycle that guys yeah so I'm and then everything
1:15:54
else you can Cy called kill Team necromunda all the other things with kill team yeah like I wonder I'd like
1:16:00
I'm genuinely interested to what will happen yeah yeah cuz this new one that's coming out it's a new edition new
1:16:06
edition this is this is the one we're going to get you into right yeah CU it's got no luggage with it initially yeah
1:16:13
cuz the more you talk about 40K and these factions the more I'm just like and again bringing up the ADHD
1:16:19
comparison earlier I'm like I'm just sat there going why can't they just go back to the drawing board or they could have done this when they release primaris and
1:16:26
go right let's release all our main Troopers over this year for all the Army
1:16:31
and and okay now we'll do a commander for one for each Army and then we'll do that and then everyone gets almost an
1:16:38
equal amount of something now we'll do tanks monst and by the time they get to the end of that in 10 years it'll be like let's just do a range refresh
1:16:45
because things have moved on and we can and no one's going to kick off no one would have kicked off and gone you know
1:16:50
Prime arus when it's like oh yeah gone through the speaking of which when you play kicked
1:16:55
when you when you well yeah true when you play Space Marine 2 2 um you you do get to see um Titus goes through the
1:17:03
Rubicon the Rubicon primaris let me know what you think of that uh scene uh when
1:17:08
you I've already oh have you seen that I haven't seen it so well we're not going to spoil it so so when you guys just
1:17:14
great big legs weights on the bottom of his ankles to stretch him yeah that's how they do it yeah yeah he's just he
1:17:19
does lots of pull-ups yeah um like a rocky Montage no we'll we'll talk about it but so we don't spoil it for people
1:17:26
yeah what did you guys think of that scene let me know in the comments but yeah um the more I'm looking at it like
1:17:33
the primar thing I don't think anyone would have kicked off and if they' had just gone yeah so we're moving to True scale now guys I think the only reason
1:17:40
they didn't is because there were still hundreds of sprws of firstborn out there
1:17:46
that needed to be sold and also as well people didn't like the storyline that's suddenly this adeptus mechanicus genius
1:17:53
yeah who no one had ever heard of before I've been working on the idea of this forever in a day it's essentially like
1:17:59
like a some almost like some kind of Recon basically where it was like oh oh we made them Gillman ordered them ages
1:18:05
ago but they've been in the freezer yeah and then now that Gillman's back he's brought them back Star Wars is it why
1:18:12
did you just go new armor bigger yeah yeah but no because it's it's a proven track record with Games Workshop when
1:18:19
they say no this has always existed it's always really well received it's always L isn't it yeah
1:18:25
again thought they couldn't do it any other way without getting crap because we're never happy no no we've discussed
1:18:32
this we're never happy we'll never be happy I might have been happier if the blood angels were more varied had some
1:18:39
more blood angely elements and nipples nipple well I'm not even bothered about the nipp he's not B about the nipples
1:18:44
he's going to make a fortune on the nipples he's actually glad the nipples are gone this is yeah this is but the
1:18:49
rogal dawn's bottom part two this is you know what I was thinking of the rogal dawn's bottom thing why didn't anyone do
1:18:56
a Flintstone star mod of a load of Imperial Guard feet out of the bottom of that tank just running why has nobody
1:19:03
done that yet um genius like everyone's everyone's done the 3D to BU to buy
1:19:09
carif effects ribs you know like but yeah that sort of thing oh it'
1:19:16
would have been brilliant but yeah like I'm not bothered about the the the lack of nipples I'm not even bothered about
1:19:22
the feet I'm lack I'm bothered about the the little wings on the back almost felt
1:19:28
like a really really poor apology yeah it was like well you got you've got your little wings this is why great Studios
1:19:34
exist man yeah but then there's he must been chuffed when they had no wings on oh he he literally day too I saw hey we
1:19:40
we' Sorry mate you bothered about wings well we've already done and it's a perfect adapter that fits the shape of
1:19:46
the back and then you can back go on and it's like yep nailed that they must just be like have they have they released it
1:19:53
yet they thought it was already out it you already done blood angely no no it's
1:19:58
not no it was announced and I don't think it's out yet like it's not on my minory I don't think I don't know but
1:20:04
they'll be coming if it's not him it'll be somebody else and the thing is now what I've noticed as well what's name
1:20:09
will be getting to work on them as well when he um Archies Forge you I I love Archies Forge stuff oh yeah yeah yeah
1:20:16
like those sort of things but what I've seen happen now is a Creator gets shut down so this is what happens and it's
1:20:21
the pirate it's the Pirate Bay thing so Pirate Bay like oh Pirate Bay you can get movies they shut the Pirate Bay down
1:20:27
so then 50 different pirate Bays opened up cuz it went open source someone did this in 3D printing the other day with
1:20:33
there was a guy called Big bricks or the big brick or something and I've brought them in I've shown you and he's made
1:20:40
Lego mini figs that you can oversize and the way he's done it is brilliant
1:20:45
because you don't need a multicolor printer every part is printed in its own individual color filament and the way he
1:20:51
builds his kits is great and obviously you got the dmca or the the cease and desist from Lego um it might be Lego it
1:20:59
might be Marvel or or Disney or whoever no it wouldn't have been there I'll tell you why um and he's had to stop so he's
1:21:05
renamed now the kit Kiln um and I caught him just on the back end of that happening so I managed to get them and
1:21:11
download them before thinging I've been printing them for videos um but now he does like he does like Star Wars kits uh
1:21:17
and I've just done a Wy which you saw this morning he does a Lego uh turtles Party Wagon amazing but whilst he's been
1:21:25
shut down from making his Lego figures that he was like these are good kits that like you're not going to stop
1:21:31
buying Lego because you've got this but I get they need to protect the copyright because he's been shut down now
1:21:37
everyone's took it and there are there are loads of them all over the interet a Hydra cut one head off and yeah and it
1:21:45
becomes so the same as the Pirate Bay you you kill it and it just becomes free for everyone you you kill these this one
1:21:51
Creator and you say no you can't do that now everyone is like all right well it's fair game then we'll do it and releasing
1:21:57
them for free yeah so not quite to his quality level but and it's the same
1:22:02
thing here like you you if you were to stop someone like um these guys doing
1:22:08
the the accessable parts all right fine others would just be out there going there you go have them free yeah we'll
1:22:14
we'll do them and not charge for them the reason people aren't doing it now is because they want to support creators we
1:22:19
want to support artists and we do but yeah so I would have been happier
1:22:25
if blood angels was more varied it's exactly what I've been asking for since
1:22:30
primaris came out and it's just not good enough I said this I said I was
1:22:36
expecting them to go down the the black templar's route of making making temp that felt like it was made for them and
1:22:43
they didn't and yeah they they they they really aren't are they like seeing the um the blood Angel Terminators that you
1:22:49
brought in um oh yeah the space even though even though they're the old ones
1:22:54
and a little bit squat just like yeah some some chains and gobbins and stuff on there and I'm just like hell yeah
1:23:00
like I mean maybe that's that's a a video making my blood angels blood angely yeah um with like yeah so the
1:23:07
great tidde stuff it hasn't launched yet it's going to be is it Frontiers is that their kind of like Kickstarter Frontiers
1:23:13
is my mini factories version of like a Kickstarter yeah so it all it is it says
1:23:19
get notified when the campaign launches but yeah uh but the good thing about Frontiers is unlike a Kickstart
1:23:25
um so on Kickstarter everyone backs it then when it ends you might get that thing in a year on Frontiers if you back
1:23:31
it you typically get the thing now so as soon as you pay your money you just get it so it's more it's less of a
1:23:36
Kickstarter more of a early launch and it's the best way to get discounts yeah so they have they have wings they've got
1:23:44
jetpacks they've got jetpacks with wings um like some of the shoulder pads and stuff look really cool which are
1:23:51
compatible with Warhammer and other popular war game systems
1:23:56
like and this is others yeah yeah yeah so but they're good and and it's nice to
1:24:02
have I don't know maybe it's nice to have the variety but I think we've all said it before we want the official
1:24:07
variety we do want it yeah you know we want Warhammer to make the Warhammer things but if they're not going to then
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you realize don't you with Warhammer that it shops on it it shops or its greatest or its greatest strength and
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its greatest Boon all at the same time isn't it because it's great strength is the
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fact that nearly every city in the nearly every city major city in the world has got a Games Workshop yeah I am
1:24:30
rounding up a little bit in that statement but roughly yeah and but the problem being is they've got shelf space
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all the wonderful things that you wish Games Workshop could buy that could sell you and Games Workshop probably wish
1:24:41
they could sell you as well is they they can't because they they've got to work to how many how much shelf space they've
1:24:47
got which is the and the factories can only produce so much which I think has been a big part of their problems
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cuz the dream would be you're going all right they stop making um Space Marines
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for kill team the fa boss ones go yeah but that's okay because I'll buy a box
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of the F box ones and I'll buy the little screw with the bits of TS and back into a kill team again but they there will never be the shop space to be
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able to do that no or the supply chain to be able to support that and you go and it's a shame because and that's the
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bit where almost you go the you are a victim of your own success is the fact you have so many shops but there's only
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so much he SPAC isn't the and and that's a it's a shame you know but back in the old days it was never a problem because
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you um you phone them up or you went on their website if you go when that
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started and you just ordered the frames and you bought you could buy anything individually you could buy the bit you wanted cuz it was all metal and it be
1:25:41
like or even plastic you could buy plastic frames cuz I remember buying um uh a frame of plastic coras cuz I wanted
1:25:48
the chest plates to be able to put them on Space Marines h space wolves cuz they have chains or they have bullet belts
1:25:53
which I thought was quite space Wolf yeah it's good and I miss I miss that yeah I I used to love that but that's
1:25:58
when they could spin everything metal and it was relatively relatively for how many they so versus how many they were
1:26:04
fast it was cool when you could go there and they go we haven't got that in stock can you come back on Thursday and while have made some for you yeah oh that's so
1:26:10
cool and you could almost have Forge World made to made on demand yeah you could go up and go want this and they go
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oh we haven't got one the fires Jeff wants a dragon y I feel like Forge
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world's days are a little bit numed well they're become homogenized is but yeah I
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don't think it matters they're still going to sell us the stuff yeah um days will only be numbered once you can go
1:26:34
out there and buy your plastic buy your plastic Titan I think if if Forge World like wanted to survive at this point
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Forge World should become the creative as a brand anyway Forge World really
1:26:45
should be the more creative outlet and go back to doing like look how again look Darren leam look how popular he 3D
1:26:53
sculpted a a bust yeah um printed it out painted it it was for a competition and
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just went this is for me it's not getting released if that got released by Games Workshop forgeworld as a resin
1:27:07
cast yeah would you buy one you'd buy one you'd buy one I'd buy three yeah
1:27:13
yeah and so would you because you'd paint one you'd screw it off you like I want to do that again cuz it's just it's
1:27:19
a fun other thing and then you go okay could we do that with elar could we have a bus competition in game thing in like
1:27:26
a category for busts yeah look look how mad um Titus collect Space Marine
1:27:32
collector's edition so sold out because that had the half tightest bus in it
1:27:37
he's yes yeah he's like in a pool of blood though something yeah the home yeah you can't do a lot
1:27:44
you can't do loads but for your big scale vehicles for your special vehicles and your um thingy and like get some
1:27:52
busts in there that'd be great fun but yeah but the thing I was going to say
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back at the beginning it almost comes around full circle now is you say like I
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wish Games Workshop had gone would go back to how they were back then but
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actually like when I got back into this hobby around 2015 16 the way they're presenting things now
1:28:15
are more like that it's like for me it was like every you'd have a little something not necessarily every week um
1:28:22
in fact you used to get white dwarf every week but I don't think you got a release every week like we do now with five or six games a year like back then
1:28:28
it was like oh my God they're re-releasing spacehulk I get to the shop and buy it and that was an event and you'd have three or four of those a year
1:28:36
not not every other week's an event and then it was going along and trudging along and everyone was like I was do a
1:28:43
little blog and a few people were doing things tailor painters was where you'd go and get your painting guides dun was
1:28:48
on the Telly like you know back in those days and then you'd have all that and
1:28:53
then Co happened and then boom they got big just around the time that all these
1:28:59
Rel all they um what was it all their releases got knocked back like there
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were delays and delays and delays and then it was like oh God they're going to have to play catchup and it feels like
1:29:09
we've only just come out of the breathing space of that catch up of like okay finally and this reveal that's like
1:29:17
oh it's not good enough isn't isn't bad it's just more like well this is what
1:29:23
normal is guys this is what normal was before covid hit us because
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we're only let's be fair we're only a couple of years out the back end of it still yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know
1:29:35
and they're they're still following on from that and this may just be normal so
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perhaps it's good they've got some breathing space and now we can be a bit wider and creative but they already know
1:29:46
what they're releasing in 2026 cuz like we said it's 18 months to two years ahead in it so I hope it's good guys cuz
1:29:53
otherwise we're going to hate it like we do the blood angels it like we said last week they're they're just holding all the new releases back to put nipples on
1:29:59
them that's it yeah like oh that that's what we need yeah they had they had space walls next but they realized not
1:30:05
enough nipples on those wolf guard Terminators which they they need get on don't he yeah
1:30:11
yeah we need salt Terminators first otherwise Jeff's going to flip the table that's the bit where like when when it
1:30:18
was like okay so we are getting assault Terminators right in the blood angels and it looks like no when are they the
1:30:25
question's got to be is they don't bring anything out just as a thing on its own to the so what's going to be the event
1:30:31
that creates assault Terminators yeah don't know who would I mean wolf wolf
1:30:37
guard could it could be space wolv let's be fair what are the coolest assault
1:30:42
Terminator weapons lightning claw claws yeah easily yeah it's not even hard it's
1:30:48
like yeah brilliant so we need something wolves they've got claws lightning claws brilliant and then they could come out for anything but I swear to God but if
1:30:54
they if they wolfed the like they're going to no what people people get
1:30:59
frustrated when I say oh wolf if they're going to wolfy them up if they're going to Viking them up
1:31:07
um like cuz wolf card Terminators they have the pelts and stuff on don't they and all that kind of thing like they
1:31:12
couldn't they like assault Terminators have to be generic generic they'll be
1:31:19
generic but there'll be a new space Wolf upgrades Pro no yeah yeah that so so we'll get that's what but the issue is
1:31:27
with that which is like the W again you get all the pelts and everything the Terminator upgrades sprs are just a
1:31:34
torso yep that's literally it yes so that's what you'll get there no there will be and that's if for spacewolves
1:31:41
that's an issue yeah it was that for blood angels why are you expecting more it will be that you don't even get
1:31:48
enough shoulder pads to do all your Terminators in fact it was that for dark no Dark Angels was good wasn't it well
1:31:54
Dark Angels again you got a torso but it had like a couple of little bits on it but the leg the leg bit was cuz they it
1:32:01
was the normal Terminator sprew and you they're here yeah they're there so if
1:32:07
you look at the guys with the swords you got an arm with a sword for the Terminators oh God this is scary oh oh
1:32:14
you fine if you haven't watched Pat's video on everyone he want Army reveal in it is B Go brilant Army reveal yeah so
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you got bellarius will'll not count him yeah um so the the sergeants the
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sergeants um no so they're not upgrade spru they're Deathwing NS oh right okay so the upgrade sprws are the normal
1:32:33
Terminators but he has a sword in his hand a silver sword yeah so that is the
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death uh Deathwing Dark Angels upgrades spr so you get the molded shoulder pads
1:32:45
right shoulder pad yeah you a couple of couple of plasma guns one Bolter with a
1:32:51
feather on it or did you add the feather no no one Bolter with with the feather on yet so I think that's what so I think
1:32:57
that's the problem that's what we'll get but the Deathwing Knights is the sprew we want yeah yeah and that's what we
1:33:03
want blood angels yeah I think she needs a l isn't she should we wrap this up shall we wrap it up cu the dog is
1:33:08
walking around in circles yes yeah she is yeah yes she's looking at as if to go for the love of God someone take me out
1:33:14
okay it's thanks for listening to us waffle everyone it's been great well it's been nice it's a nice waffle C because we haven't had we haven't had we
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we've been rless for quite a while was great sorry I didn't mention anyone who I met thank you all for coming to say hi
1:33:27
while you were there um and oh my God the capital pallet painting competition Jesus Christ those entries had my drawer
1:33:34
on the floor for like four days straight so uh nice to meet you everyone thanks hey