Naughty NAUGHTY Forgeworld!

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this video is sponsored by Squarespace hello how are you uh and I'm
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Patrick oh yeah should we start that one again do you want do you want no keep it in see I was just I've been away so long
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all I could think about was how everybody is yeah yeah happy happy New Year Jeff yes Jeff that's right that's
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me that's me and Bella hello I like the way you te up now bang on to when you know we be starting the show she's well
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she's well trained she needs the better trained than me it was no
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appears but uh true painting face fashion we come yeah it's complete chaos
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as usual so um you were away in Sri Lanka had a nice time I had a lovely
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time so a nice alternative version of Christmas yes yes it was great Yeah we actually got that on Christmas day um I
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I I find the idea of traveling at Christmas just a little bit I know it's weird because people travel up and down
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the motorway and we do on Box and day but traveling overseas and not being
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in a Rel in in like you know my house or a relative's house I know you we in a relative's house but you know I'm
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getting but it's it's all just a bit Yeah you didn't feel like uh like offensively christmy uh you'd see
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Christmas trees uh inside and you'd walk out and it was like 30 OD degrees you know when it's very bizarre you know
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like you see some of them Australian houses and they have like snow Med outside and everyone shorts t-shirts
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you're like this isn't quite working is it I I had um I've got hilarious before and after pictures it's like a p the
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last day is like me on the beach in my shorts and then we got back um and I had
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to clear loads of snow off my car um and it was likeus 6 almost a 40° difference in heat it's
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been so cold recently that I've been able to close the vent in me car to stop it frosted on the inside it's
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been like making sure all the vents are closed every night before to get out of it yeah um that's mental spraying um wd4
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around the frame of me door so I can open still open it yeah it's been it has been quite cold actually a little bit
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better this week yeah so uh no Ross
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today e he's got uh paie paie family memb so he's not with us so we'll go
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straight into it we have again famously now that we're almost becoming it we've been organized and put a little list of
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things together hav we yeah so uh where would you like to start uh well I think
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we housekeeping happy New Year yeah absolutely thank you for joining us again uh it's very much appreciated um
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so we had some some some news about a guest Tomy so some of you will remember
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I know I'm going to do this cool thing and rely on you to soci some of you will probably remember what is probably our
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best ever Instagram real would it be a real yes it would and it's this one it's
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not a failed model and you're not a [ __ ] painter you've just got areas to develop
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there we go I hope that went out otherwise watch yeah I might just put it in again
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now yeah so Tommy Su who is an absolutely lovely lovely man and came on
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the show a little while ago because um he was asked to come in by a really nice chap called Dave Taylor who produces a
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series of books called The Art of where he has lots of different well-known miniature artists from around the world
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create their own book talking about inspiration or ideas or the the almost
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in fact in some of them the their world that they create of how all their Miniatures fit into that and all the
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rest and Tommy being Tommy went completely the opposite way and went I'm going to just do a book that teaches you
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how to paint because I spent my life teaching people how to paint yeah and he came on and was just um massively
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enlightened wasn't he it was it was great he's a really really nice guy well Tommy uh has uh very kindly agreed to
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come back on the show and this time we'll let them get the paintbrushes out yeah and he's going to uh teach one of
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us probably me we'll see um I'm probably one his most help um he's going to teach
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us he's going to do a little bit of teaching and showing us what he does and you know which I'm really massively looking forward to cuz hopefully
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probably by the spring I'm hopefully going to go and have some proper oneto ones with Tommy as well so this will be a nice little starter for that it will
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be see how it goes very good he's already um changed how I paint just when
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we were chatting to him um and there was one little tip that he said you know when you roll in your brush be it on
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your palette like if it's in your mouth or or whatever um that one you're never
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going to do it perfectly you're never going to make that perfect sort of conical shape yeah so rotate it see
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which way is the narrow way yeah and that's your best way for doing your thin lines and Edge highlights it's
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completely changed how I how I it's Madness how um it's Madness how much he he knows you know you know I I've given
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my copy of Tommy's book to my little boy at the moment who's now started on his got loads of walks for Christmas he did
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he got the uh combat Patrol box and which I'll speak about in a bit but he got the combat Patrol box and then um
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when I put his what I did was I bought him a tool kit tool box and I filled everything with the toolbox and then
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wrap the toolbox oh lovely so all the paints that he needed cuz we watched we watched a loads of different I went
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through watch a loads of different Beast sagger videos oh yeah and I thought what one do I think is probably the one
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that's going to approachable for him so um we watched um we watched Duncan roads
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oh yeah and we did that Thing You Do fast forwards the end see how well it turned out and go is that good yes it is I will watch How It Was Made and then we
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watched that and he said what do you think of that he went yeah that's great and then I went into Tom I went into thank very nice of Duncan put all his
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paints listed and then I just went into element games and bought all of them paints all of them and then a couple of
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that he hasn't mentioned um so yeah he got them and I bought for myself the
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brutal and cunning box yeah and then in the bottom of the two Kit I put all the um the record crew walks in there so
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brilant it's something for him to look at working on but yeah he's on miniature three now and you can already see
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Improvement and changing it's really nice to it's really nice to uh to do I've painted one um so the well not
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quite finished it I've been painting one so the idea that he's got like a reference one to go back to if he needs
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to a physical one there but I don't think it' be that the way he's painting I don't think it'll probably be that long before is is better than my
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reference one so we'll see how it goes but it turns from reference to Benchmark yeah absolutely well so yes so he's now
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got my copy of Tommy's book and uh hopefully he'll start making some use for it but um yeah I'm really excited
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about having Tommy back on the show because he's just a genuinely really lovely human being and is his knowledge
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and how he approaches it and how he explains it is really quite a bit unique yeah yeah definitely um yeah it's it's
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certainly interesting like he he has his his opinions that he's formed from teaching and painting over the years and it's it's quite nice I certainly like
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seeing different approaches and and how people do stuff and hopefully um Tommy's quite heavily involved in the painting
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competition that's held every year at salute and um we may as well um further
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around as we get closer to salute maybe get some um some of the judges on as
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guests as well a bit chat with them as well see how they're looking forward to judging something that is um weirdly as
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much as everything that can be in Golden demon will be can be in this and there might even be some golden demon entries
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in it but then also modern and historical um Miniatures Styles and so
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many different things so it's going to be quite interesting to see um especially if like you know if you've
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become a judge and your you've grown up on Warhammer how do you then judge a
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second world war Sherman tank and things like that be quite interesting to see yeah the difference of opinions on that
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so yeah keep your eyes peeled for that Tommy will be back on at some point in the near future can't
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let's get back to the chat right then left then right I'll go with uh the next
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one I think it's time we sort of put ourselves out there a little bit and for
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also for not just for each other but also for the viewers is I'm thinking about New Year's resolution oo Squad
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month so this is your your painting painting resolution for the year a squad a month
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a squad okay and what I will promise to do is bring it in oh yeah and put it on
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the turntable whether it's done or not yeah so I can be bced by both you and
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Ross and bed by the uh by the viewers for not pulling me finger out better yeah holding one self accountable yes um
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a squad a month or a character a month yeah I yeah I
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think that's good yeah yeah not every a squad's Cy what could a squad be up to
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10 Miniatures be up to be up to 20 if you play in ORS and things could oh bloody hell yeah could yeah I think if
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you were doing turnt I think maybe you could cheat a little bit just bring 10 in yes yes absolutely I think that would
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be fine um yeah that that would be uh that would be difficult oh okay so um
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what's what's first on the list what's January do you reckon for me um I think it's going to
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a five man squad of Terminators lovely that I've had hanging around for ages cuz I had the original Leviathan
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Terminators and then I bought the proper ones the yeah and um I've put them all
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together and I'm now just staring at and thinking I need to pull me finger out and get painted so I I
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still love I just love the new Terminators great I I every time I paint
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some and then go I want to paint something else I just want to paint Terminators again I think my only sad
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thing with Terminators is I look at them and go they're lovely and then I also think imagine how lovely they'd be if they have power Claws and swords and
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Hammers and Shields and things so you know I'm I've been winging about the lack of assault Terminators for a long
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time so I won't go into it too much but I do keep looking I'm going where's the rest of them yes yes I saw the um uh the
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mighty brush they like do all loads of cool transfers yeah Luther all that stuff he's a very talented young man and
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he released at the beginning of this year a PDF for like a raptor Terminator
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and it's so good yeah I bought it uh four quid yeah
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highly recommend if you want a cool Raptor thing look at it buy it if you want to um it's awesome yeah uh I bought
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the PDF and going through it and just like oh it's so good so I'm I'm definitely I think
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my Marines from the kill team start set I'd quite like to paint as as R oh that's a good sh actually yeah so I I
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think that would be that'd be quite cool I need to familiarize myself with the um
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cuz the ones he painted had like sort of like the white shoulder pads M um and I don't I'm completely unfamiliar with I
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assume those mean I would say that possibly cuz the problem being with with Raptors they nice that they eventually
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ended up on the GW the official G yeah especially as a second found and you know I know black templers have have a
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second found and then they've been involved in in 4k from for a very long time but the fact that the Raptors has
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got onto the sheet is really good um I would imagine reading between the lines I
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would say he's probably give them white shoulder pads to the not veteran yeah maybe cuz they got the I
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think he did them with white helmet as well is a veteran thing yeah so the Terminator has a white helmet and it has white shoulder pads and there's another
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he been filing the has he been filing the um the aquill off be still on yeah
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cuz I know that's becomeing a bit more I I've done it with some previous 5 10 but I noticed it's becoming more of a thing
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with people doing Raptors is they they get rid of the quills and they put like a stripe with like a stenciled number on
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instead like that leaning I can't remember but we had a guy that we looked at um many many years ago didn't we um
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who was chap on Instagram who PS cuz I Stripes he with a number in I think I
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yeah I looked him up because I remember on this Raptor binge of looking at stuff
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being like Oh my God I want to do this I was like oh can you paint like oh cuz they're Terminators with the white shoulder pads can you paint the Marines
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with white for Raptors uh and I believe I believe his Instagram hand is is go
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goth or something along those lines um I'll I'll stick it in the description and and find out properly um but he
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paints all his with like a white cream um shoulder pad I think that might be a veteran thing and then and then the
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other really cool thing with veterans with um excuse me with Sergeant is black
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helmets with a yellow through it which looks really good as well yeah so um I
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really I really like the Raptors and if I was starting my own Space Marine Army I would probably well I'd say I'd
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probably do Raptors or I'd have to wait long enough to see what the uh which we
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know is coming is the the rejig of the Space Wolves yes cuz I do really like Space Wolves as well and I have been
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down that road in the past when I was into the hobby first time so uh but I do really like the Raptors yeah see they're
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very very cool Terminators first are those going to be in like the color of your sons yeah they'll be what what we
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call night to the forge so there'll be five of there'll be five of them in metals uh with um green shoulder pads
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and green helmets and the green helmets will denote denote um in my son's army
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veterans yeah all shoulder pads are green um anyway but uh the the green
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helmets are a veteran helmet so yeah something like that we'll see how it goes Sensational and then next month you
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got a plan ahead what's uh oh next we'll see I've um oh I don't know i' maybe uh
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I've maybe a fiveman scout Squad we'll see okay or even which I'll uh I'll talk
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about in a bit um or even uh because I've really fell in love with them uh
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ratlings Team oh okay take long to as they're all about the size of a 5 P piece yeah
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they're they're only little they are only little indeed yeah so we'll see how we go yes yeah that makes sense I've
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started buying kill team only squads now I've bought cak just for kill team yeah
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and the ratland are both for the same thing cuz I'm not having an Imperial Guard Army um you s I'm not having an
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imp I'm not and it's really worrying because I um I bought Hive I bought Hive
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storm yeah so I ended up with that Imperial guards um tempestous aquillin
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are they called or aqualon whatever the whatever it's pronounced I bought them
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and then I bought cakin and I mainly bought cakin because I wanted to have a Squad so I could justify using my couple
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of year old now Warhammer plus C and Sergeant miniature yeah so I bought them
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and I thought these are only just going to be a kill team and then I bought ratland and I thought I'm three squads deep into imperial guards so one of my
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uh lovely customers um Liam who uh who's a big big uh big follow of the show he
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was in having a haircut the other day and he's an Imperial Guard player okay and I was like she she buy some Tempest
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to get them out of shop before the next thing you know I've got eight Leman Russ and four
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K he was like yeah I'll have I offered them a already reasonable price of
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please take them yeah yeah yeah oh that's great how did you end up with a 14,000 Point yeah still still not doing
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an Imperial Guard yeah it's not happening um yeah I I I go down slippery
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SL you know my big lad I go down slippery slop quickly
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oh God y so yeah so now I thought I've got to break the back of as quickly as I
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can so I thought yes rattlings yes and then obviously oh no got worse because
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I've got cakin um ratlings tempesto aquillin and
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to play rattlings well you can do an alternate version of them as a kill team squad so I went out and bought three
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aan see what I mean get it's getting dangerously at the very least it's getting dangerously close to a th000
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points Army and and Ross tried to argue that Kil team wasn't the gateway drug it
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really is it really is it is it is yeah and I also oh a g yet and I've just
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remembered now as well um I bought the very first um kill Team box when kill team got its reig so I also own um thees
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and no not the breaches I also own a 10man squad of death core cre as well oh
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yes so you know I am banging on the door of having a small army so yeah no no so it's got to not having it it's got to go
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yeah so um yeah so that's hilarious U yeah fair enough yeah so if anybody wants to buy any cheap um Imperial Guard
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Army drop Jeff a message it might be it might be doable yes yes excellent so so
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that's your so squad or a character a month yeah a month yeah what do you think yeah I think that's doable I'm I'm
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I'm certainly not going to commit to that oh okay to beiz you're going to leave me out there
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I I mean I I can definitely yeah I would like cuz I think you might have one or two Orcs that could do with painting oh
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bloody L yeah um I mean I've got like a half painted custodi army I've got
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similar with a whole bunch of Orcs well don't you own all the Orcs no it must be running dangerously
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close dangerously close probably yeah so i' I'd love to get those armies finished I need to knuckle down and get those done I think my I I was thinking about
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my new year resolutions um a bit whilst I was away and sort of thinking like oh
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like what what could I do and and this that and the other and I think like the I guess maybe not necessarily do to
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do with how many Miniatures I'm painting but I think like in the time that I have been painting I really don't think I've
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progressed like very much right I think you have personally but I like I yeah I
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I definitely will have you know gotten better or like you know brush controls gotten better or whatever but
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um like I the practice that I've done hasn't necessarily been like really very
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focused I've just been sort of like oh I'd like to paint this dive in why does
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it look bad oh right yeah and I guess you know making those mistakes and all that sort of thing so I definitely like to do like more focused
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um sort of practice in my painting like I'd really quite like to give glazing a
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good stab yeah um you know try some non- metallic metals and and and that kind of
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thing so sort of try and broaden my repertoire of skills and just become a
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bit more of a competent painter um but uh yeah I think I I definitely want to
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paint more yeah cuz I really enjoy it um and I think like towards the end of last
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year I like I could probably count on one hand the times that I picked up a paintbrush or something like that but then when I forced myself to do it I was
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like hell yeah this is awesome yeah um so yeah I think um yeah I want to do
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more painting videos I'd quite like to like I don't as as I like get into
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towards a summer I'm not sure how realistic it will be but I'd really like to try and do like two painting videos a month yeah and I think that would be
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really fun um get those Army finished I want to paint my Raptors and just
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like the thing that I've had the big leap for me in the last few months is that I now have in the back of my barber
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shop I have a proper dedicated yeah painting space yeah yeah still nowhere near as good as the one that my 11-year-old son has now got with his
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height adjustable table and gameing chair and a big Telly on there as well so he can put YouTube YouTube videos on
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it and all the rest of it so he's got he's much better kiss out for it than I am but
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um going into this leads into something I was talking about previously I really had um airra struggles really wasn't
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doing very well with it and you know that thing when you you get a bit of a a bit of a [ __ ] and I I'm very much about
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myself as you go it's not me I need better kit and you go no it's you you
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know what I mean but well you you just can't figure out it's you but um I actually did the thing of going I need
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better kit and I um my Christmas present to myself cuz I always treat myself yeah
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is I um I went and uh bought the hard and
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Steen back conversion kit for my ultra take it to the evolution really oh went down to a 2
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needle yeah and a different nozzle yeah massively better for my abilities
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really M oh wow yeah cuz I found that with the point4 which is still a great
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setup I was struggling to be figure out where I was where I was to be yeah you
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know and then when I got went down to the point two and it's so much finer yeah I realized now that I can be right
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on top of the miniature with it I can be right close to it and it's um it really really made all
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the difference for me oh fantastic yeah cuz you know you really you know the sensible airbrushes out there of which
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you know I don't class myself as one of them I probably go no point four is good enough it will get you there it be but I
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just couldn't find my zone with it oh right and then I went I went and spent
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the money and dragged myself down to a point two massive yeah the evolution I comes
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with the point 2 needle as but it comes with the four as well um
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yeah so I think I think I've I can't remember what I've got in here um I think I might have put the point four in
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I'm moving this back and the new Neil's not moving I haven't used it I haven't used it in a while um yeah that's really
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really interesting cuz I how are you finding it do you thin your paints a bit more yeah thin thin me paints a bit more
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yeah and um thing paints a bit more I find that I I judge the PSI a bit easier
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yeah and the fact that I can be right on top of the miniature yes super helpful yeah and
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it's it's really really helped because um awesome you know the thing that one of them there's two things are both it
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for one of them was really to be able to do nice Blended Space Marine shoulder pads with a with a very basic level of
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OSL OSL on the top of the yeah yeah on the top of the the shoulders and also I
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didn't I bought it so which I hadn't I haven't done with it yet but is
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have a lot of crout to paint yeah and um uh painting God that is Henry from
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cult the paint a while ago did um did CR with an airbrush yeah but what he very
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interestingly did which is a paint I have now since bought is he he started on all of them with
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um either the Vallejo version or the AK version but he started them all with
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like a whole red yeah and then chose different colors over over the top of the whole red but he started all of them
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with whole red and some of them he went like a tan some he went a green some went more like a gray but he started
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that way and I thought when I pull my finger out and start working on these I um I don't really want to be doing it by
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hand I've done a few by hand already and they look all right but I'm like if I could be getting the the main bodies of
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these down yeah you get them all whole red and then I can start changing about with different color tone yeah yeah yeah
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so yeah which is I didn't think the the answer would be for me with airbrushing
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would be to that I found that I was actually more delicate yeah yeah well
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that's amazing that you've got something that works for you yeah yeah and it's nice now and don't get me wrong I know I know to put I put be point4 in if I'm
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just Prime and everything tra back to the two and so and don't get me wrong I think um opening and cleaning and and
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dealing with your airbrush is almost as much of a hobby as actually the the thing that you using the airbrush for
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you know yeah there with like up there with like 3D print it's a hobby embedded inside another hobby isn't it you know but um
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yeah it's yeah being close and a bit more delicate I found is is much more the way that suits me and apparently um
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I seen in our YouTube comments Ross was saying that hard and steam Beck are also
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planning on releasing the evolutions trigger yeah for the ult going to do a
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conversion one for the ultra as well so that might be something I'll look at further down the line yeah so yeah
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Payton's got better yeah brilliant good I'm very happy for you thank you it's really yeah I I think yeah think I one
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thing I I I want to paint my first uh like Primark this year oh right have a
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have a stab at like a either angron or mortarion I think well you've got
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mortarion haven't you already yeah I've got I've got uh and you got angron well well yeah they're both really nice
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Miniatures yes yes definitely and and like I as asan terrifies me yeah and
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that's you tell you telis me because I'm a death guard player and I've never bought him for that very reason there's
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too much going on there's so much going on now I've got a point two needle in me here BR you never know that's it yeah You' be like i' be a prime him in no
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time um yes so I I'd like to do that I think I think I want to paint more I
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want to get better um I I Just Want to Have Fun um and enjoy it well that's it
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you know I said to my youngest boy the other day I said um I said when are done any painting the last couple of days and
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he went no and he went oh shall I go and I went no I said you should go and paint when you want to I said because if you
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go and force yourself to paint when you don't want to it's a job yes that's it and it's not it's not meant to be you
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know unless you're commission painter it's not meant to be a job yes you know you meant to do it I said but you know I
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said don't let it slide that you don't go up there you know at least like once a week or twice a week I said but don't
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feel like if I ask you you have to run up the stairs and start because I said you'll feel like you're doing it against
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your will and then it won't it won't you won't have the joy for it yeah yeah yeah yeah but um but yeah having some time
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off uh has been great I think I've come back feeling refreshed and ready for it
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and and motivated right then should we have a look at what else is on the list absolutely okay um this one I'll talk
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about and it's mainly uniquely to me but um mentioned it already managed to get
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my hands on the brutal and cunning kill Team box yes but was a my other
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Christmas present myself I was very generous with myself this Christmas good you deserve it well thank you yeah I
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like to think so um what a great little set that is um I immediately dispatched
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and didn't spend too much time looking at them the um Orcs went into my son's
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uh toolbox Christmas present with all of his other things in there I st them in there so he's got them for further down
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the line but the rattlings do you know what for tiny little Miniatures really really really nice and
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the team that's put them together CU you know it's always a team a either are really are fans of
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modern um modern infantry soldiers or
29:44
I've done a loads of research loads of little things in it that you just stuff that's just like woolly
29:52
hats um the every single miniature in there can make a at least two versions
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every one of them right right and then he did things like you can build the body of this character who's done as a
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sniper or you can do as the sniper with the tank stopper uh weapon when you do
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as that one you put a different back section on him and then he then has a
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big Hood so he looks like he's wearing like a British Army windproof smok that used to be like an sas SAS Ro Marines
30:23
thing they got issued and then he's got like a chest rig with pouches and the whole design setup of them there was
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just loads of bits that I looked at that read to me straight away that I knew what they were or knew what they were
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trying to represent really really good level of detail g into him like I say and then the fact that there's still
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that little um constant comedy nod the fact that they're always eating yeah the
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fact that the um the big shot who's the one with the tank stopper sniper rifle has got the generator with a big cable
30:55
going into the sniper rifle and then on top of generator who's got a cup OFA sandwich which I just love keeping warm
31:01
which I I think is great um but you know what also made me laugh about that was the fact which I thought was a really
31:07
good indication of understanding scale in 40K is that he's got this big generator box sat next to him whereas if
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you make the last carbine version of eliminators that big that big generator box is just in a pouch on the Marine
31:22
side I thought was just a great understanding of you know of of scale for whoever's dealing with a particular
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thing so it's really good yeah um gotta love the fact that there's a dog in there any any any space any uh kill team
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squad that comes with the dog is always a good one but really really nice Miniatures nice little nod
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um nice little nod in there I think as well to two um stealthy characters from
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uh video gaming is the fact that the the the leader of the um the leader of the
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the rattlings has got a um beards and I patch and a bar which
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makes him look a lot like a big boss from Metal Gear Solid 3 oh fantastic and then they've another one who's wearing a
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night vision goggles with a load of lenses on it oh yeah and he looks a lot like Sam Fisher from from Splinter Cell
32:14
thought he's called he's called a sneak and I thought was really really clever little and and again a detail that like
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not a lot of people would have if you went exmilitary maybe not have spotted as the sneakers wearing um like a
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camouflage Poncho yeah but um they don't do as much now but it used to be that
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your Poncho in the military that you could wear cuz it had a hood in it yeah which was just like a long piece of you
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know waterproof garment that you could get over all your kit yeah you Al also that was your tent really so you use you
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know bunge cords you hook them round trees and then the Poncho all arounded edges would have holes in it so that
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it'd have metal it'd have metal uh surrounded holes around on the edges so that you could turn it into a tree well
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you could strap it to a tree turn it into a tree turn it into a tree turn yourself into a tree but not but yeah so
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you could have that and the considering it's the tiniest of miniers the rattling
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sneak is wearing a camouflage p and there's all the little H all the holes in oh wow someone I that is really like
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I say really knows their their military stuff on the team or they've on the the sculpt team for the rattlings or they've
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put a lot of research in just loads of things me and bestie Tim cuz Tim is an ex
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reservist so me and Tim were putting them together I was putting together with Tim and I was going look at that
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and he's going oh holes in a poncho and he oh look at that oh they look like the pouches off of such and such it was really yes and so that really cool the
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ycs for I've seen them look quite nice and this whole thing now have they released bunkers for it that fit onto
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the side they've released bunkers that fit onto the side of pre-existent scenery yeah which I thought was a cool
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little idea as well yeah yeah so um I thought and I know feel like I'm being awful because I know it's now not the
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easiest of things to find but um if you is it sold out yeah I think so of course
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but at the same point in time Fair dues to Games Workshop they've started getting the new kill teams out faster in their individual boxers yes so if we
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treat them as if I talk about review them as individual teams they're both worth a buy and the scenery is quite
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nice as well so yeah really impress with brutal cunan but um the problem being is is when you start getting into Kil te
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you always want to know what's in the next one don't yeah and then it's weirdly now unlike this one I have no
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idea uh and they haven't they've said that they won't be mentioning kill team at Vegas previews oh okay yeah yeah yeah
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because it has it has been pretty rapid in in it com it felt like that that felt like the rattling one turned up no time
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after hi stor H storm was like beginning of October or something like that wasn't it and then I saw um night Lords won 40K
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minutes during the year yeah which which caused some sort of um well I was of course it caused
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controversy of course we would be annoyed if it didn't well that was quite interesting to see the second was the r
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was the rattlings DI second provisionally prepared as I call yeah
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yeah cuz can you get that yet yeah yeah it's bit Yeah you can buy that in the Box yeah yeah
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um but um yes he was um I won't name the
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YouTube channel cuz I'll sound like I'm moaning about them I'm not moaning about them but there's a YouTube channel there where the person who has it likes to
35:31
have a real old momenta Games Workshop and have a complaint about things and and I sort of get their point where they
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were saying um is this uh sh the game the 40K is in a very dull place if an
35:45
upgrade screw is Bally what's basically what's what you know and I do see that
35:50
yeah but I also when we first seen the night Lords a while back me and you and
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Ross were all of the opinion that it was phenomenally well-designed kit yes cuz
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we said one of us said I can't remember which it was when you design an upgrade sprew that you added to a pre-existing
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kit to the point that it makes it look like a new unit yeah then you've done your upgrade sprw really well it a hell
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of an upgrade sprw yeah yeah and I think it's I think it's really impressive that that what they did with that so I've not
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really got much in the way complaints about it being First shows the the love that there is for the night Lords as well yeah
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yeah foremost I think that does have a bearing on it yeah I I didn't see provisionally prepared becoming going
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second no I didn't I thought it was quite I I like the fact that people then obviously leaned into the the you know
36:42
the quirkiness of it but at the same point in time if I do have a mo you go really speaking surely as they are such
36:49
a big Benchmark set surely number one or number two should have been something like sanguinary regard shouldn't they
36:55
they should have been there their Glory of them being absolutely over the top and really amazing like and no one no
37:02
one was interested we've talked blood Angel nipples to death haven't we so I can't even be bothered uh there was say
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is there was Miniatures released last year yeah that should have been an absolute Che in for being in the top
37:14
three absolutely and were just ignored and I think that's I think that's a bit of a sad indictment my my boy won the
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AOS miniature of the year did did yeah yeah I think I first second and third
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was it was the uh flush heer Court dude yeah massive big rap boy yeah and then
37:34
your yeah my I can't remember the name of it already dinosaur on a
37:40
cathedral yeah which was I was really pleased to see that got in in the three which was really nice but yeah the and
37:45
and again like those AOS minates are Sensational so yeah knocking out the park as usual hopefully um hopefully
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things will be um a little bit more uh a little bit more interesting for uh for
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40K this year Well in fact we'll we'll be on the brink of find now cuz another thing that we've got as a subject is Las
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Vegas previous yeah so I it's interesting I I have having taken some
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time out I really didn't go on the internet very often because uh where I was in a rainforest occasionally it was
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crap yeah um and and actively sort of decided to sort of take a break so I'm I
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do not have a clue well I get the impression that I think I think
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uh people like uh chapter Master valra amongst others well but they were under the impin and I was carried along with
38:36
that same opinion was that we'll get a preview Christmas day yeah Games Workshop have a habit of going there's
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all the previews and then they bang another one on Christmas day and we're all ready for slanesh just moving your
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camera ever so slightly okay no worries keep going yeah so we were all we were all very much thinking it was going to
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be slanesh was going to be the big thing they were going to show the L box set and they didn't they just showed uh ful
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Grim on his own oh yes of course that that was the yeah that was like the Christmas sort of thing wasn't it yeah
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they showed full grim and then that sort of really um along with some renders of shoulder pads and silette which we've
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been having in the in the every Wednesday leading up into uh leading up into that so very much by the looks of
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it I think we're going to get to see um the rest of slanesh I think we'll be
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showing at Vegas I think which is probably will be shown I think it's something like Thursday uh early hours
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Thursday for us here by the time this comes out on YouTube 'll happek Happ so it looks like
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we're probably going to see Lucius the Eternal yeah cuz they've done a one of them silhouette reveals and it literally
39:49
couldn't be anything else yeah when you look at it it if it isn't him I'll be absolutely stunned cuz it it it
39:55
blantantly looks like it is it's nice that the getting a new model and cuz wasn't that long ago we had um hammer
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and Bolter Y and he got his own little cartoon which was pretty decent cuz I remember um when that came out I
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messaged you cuz I I'm not super familiar with um Emperor children and I was like is this guy got a miniature and
40:13
you were like yeah but it's really old yeah um and so it will be cool seeing be nice if it feels a lot like the if they
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if it feels like it's the one from the cartoon as well and don't get wrong he's got a lot of Benchmark things on that are are blatantly going to be on the
40:28
miniature and they were in the cartoon so they will marry up to some degree but if they can get them looking a lot like
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that i' be really impressed so so they'll be probably be him I'm intrigued to um see what the uh what will be in
40:43
the starter set like what the tro choices will be yeah well I think they've been shown us already uh bits and Bobs of noise Marines yeah which I
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really lik that one of the things I I spotted and I'm sure plenty of people spotted it's not like I only I spotted
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it but I liked on the noise Marine weapons is that they've got their little um Stoppers that they like off a big
41:01
church or on the on the around the weapon I thought was really cool like that new helmet with all the with
41:07
speaker speaker faces and things like that and the the really nice wings that they have on their their arm there's
41:13
been lots of shoulder pad like renders hasn't there um so which is quite interesting seeing the like Games
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Workshop renders cuz usually when you look at a render it's like a 3D print or something like that it was I I found it
41:26
quite bizarre looking at like a gray render and being like Oh that's not very detailed but then it's like no it will
41:33
look great it'll be fine lots of these 3D prints are like overdesigned in too much detail so I think what will happen
41:39
is I think they will probably show off a starter box yeah um which
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because um that's what they did last year when we were when we were both at Vegas we seen the crout starter box yes
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we did yeah and um so I wouldn't be surprised if that's what we're going to see and like with the death cor C they
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announced the units you always they always show like one more unit than we'll be in the starter box won't they
42:05
so if we're looking at like World eers they had the Primark you've got your sort of generic generic TR Choice um
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there was the eight Eightfold yeah like the three like demony sort of dudes you
42:21
had the robo Pig um and then was there another troop Choice I'm not 100% sure sure uh I think
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he might have been but I can't I can't imagine they'll put fulgrim in the be his own because they they didn't
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put angr on in with with with the the world detas ones so there's hopefully I
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would say the very least the thing we're going to see noise Marines and you know and they lot they might be like I say
42:46
there might be a couple of other new units in there that they haven't really shown much of yet
42:51
um uh the I'd like to think as well maybe we might see the beginnings of
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something new for Space Marines because I know it sounds D but
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realistically the Marines actually haven't really been touched for a while no it seems like they have because I
43:09
always think that there's always Space Marines and the reason I think there's always Space Marines is cuz nearly every month you're being bombarded by
43:16
something beautiful for 30k and to me space range seem to be like a constant but actually 40K Space Marines since
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blood angels and that was quite that was that was like September yeah when they
43:29
were yeah when they when they came out yeah and then um but that was like um it's chapter specific wasn't it yeah I
43:36
think we know there's a couple of more General things we could do like saying Sal Terminators would be nice yeah there was a there was a preview last there was
43:44
a preview late later half of last year where they showed an engine that's the sort of engine systems for things that
43:51
Prim Rus used yeah so but it looked like almost like one on its own so there's obviously some sort of new space marine
43:57
vehicle coming along that might be chapter specific you never know that might be something for something the Flies it might be for Raven Wing or
44:04
whatever but um I'd like I think it feels like there's a couple of units that standard Space Marines could do
44:10
with so you never know but I think it's probably going to be sles I think it's probably going to be Emperor's Children
44:16
is what yes big 40K thing yeah so talking of that what did you think of
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the new Full Grim model I have uh opinions uh I think it's really
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yeah I really like it um it's impossible not to compare it to fullrim
44:32
transfigured from forgeworld which is a beautiful model which is exceptional I
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think I admittedly uh the Forge World
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um primarchs the the sort of original ones I know they they're held in a really high Este steem I remember when
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like Pete the wargamer was on uh the chat show ages ago and uh question from the patron was like
44:58
you know is there anything that you wouldn't kit bash and he was like oh the Forge World Prim marks I think they're
45:04
really great so um Pete knows this stuff and they're really really high I've
45:10
never like I've never tried to paint one so I I I've never be a long time before I thought I was good enough to go near
45:16
any one of them absolutely yeah um and seeing Neil's like uh Horus descended
45:21
and you're just yeah you wouldn't think you would I'm not going to buy that and just slap some paint on it yeah yeah yeah so The Originals um I I I I never
45:30
really sort of connected with they they're not my favorite models um I'm not 100% sure if I could put my finger
45:36
on why I think maybe like the scale and the proportions and stuff yeah um and is
45:42
just like a they're a different sort of style yeah the newer ones that have come out Horus ascended I think is
45:48
exceptional it's a yeah it's a phenomenal model like say I was so you know I was so pleased to see a pickup
45:55
you know um I think that's utterly incredible and I think full Grim
46:00
transfigured is amazing it's amazing but I have caveat with its amazingness yes
46:07
so what are they well my first caveat is £182 yes that's quite a strong one to
46:14
lead with and like I said to you off camera today I said you know you could 10 up a tournament and say you just have to give
46:20
me a minute I'm just waiting for DHL to bring him in in a in a an enormous box
46:26
on a forklift because how would you transport that blman thing with wings that big yeah like the it's it's super
46:32
interesting like seeing the pictures side by side and and I'll put them on screen um it's interesting like how
46:37
similar they are but then the different directions that they they've sort of gone in so the Forge World one is sort
46:43
of like more armored and scaled whereas plastic is generally a bit more natural
46:51
and you can see the scales and everything and and so on and so forth I think when you 182 quid the level of
46:59
detail that can go into it and the level of detail that you would expect that's a
47:05
fair point actually you know what I mean yeah and I think if there had never been
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uh F I don't know just standing on loud
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things cool okay you're done now um if they'd never been an ascended
47:23
already yeah everyone would have probably quite like this miniature yes but because there's been a really really
47:29
nice one yes so it's an interesting one so I heard uh in my you know very limited
47:36
time at GW that uh one of one of the rumors at the time or or was that you
47:42
know the plastic hits people generally know they can take a year and a half to two years to yeah to come out the
47:48
development time is is really really long um whereas for resin it's not as
47:54
long no and allegedly the rumor that I've heard um is you know GW is quite
48:01
tribal on the face of it they're the same company but Forge World Citadel Minag is very different uh run by
48:07
different people different apartments different buildings um different painters all that sort of stuff is the
48:13
when the towel I think what the big towel suit is it the Rip Tide it might be that might be the biggest one
48:18
potentially something like that um uh any anyone can can tell me in the comments um is that
48:27
people were like hey this is going to be coming out uh at some stage Forge World saw it and went we're going to make a
48:34
bigger one and it's going to come out sooner it's funny that no one says no
48:39
you're not just can't stop them so so that is
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apparently a thing that happened um which you know I'm I'm I'm inclined to believe and I wonder if
48:52
it's happened here as well possibly because out of the primar so you're
48:58
saying that you think the plastic fulgrim was probably already on track and then they released the Forge World
49:04
one yeah possibly you know that that could be a thing that potentially happened I I'm I'm not going to um you
49:11
know bet my uh house on it or or anything like that but I wonder if I
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don't know maybe they were like Hey we're going to be releasing emperess children let's let's as a company let's
49:21
push the out together it is a bit weird to get two Prim marks released yeah they're are very very and that very
49:26
similar and they're very similar aren't they so they they must have had you know somewhere there'll be a document in
49:32
Games Workshop that says right fulm snaky boy he's got Wings he's got
49:40
forearms um and and that sort of stuff like there's differences but you look at them and go yeah they're both fulgrim so
49:46
it is weird to have two models floating around that are so similar but the other thing as well is is that you know if
49:52
we're being honest unless you play with some really really uptight people you know you know if you
50:00
play with somebody that can put coal up their [ __ ] and it comes back out as a diamond generally avoid them people for
50:06
gaming you know what I mean fair you know what I'm getting at is if you
50:12
really really want the big one just play it yeah play it do you know if someone
50:18
went I'm sorry but I don't like the new one I'm going to play this one my main
50:24
thing would be can I have a look at that wow I'm amazed not like oh the bass size
50:31
you know I mean know and you know and even if you really are somebody that's like very much into playing 40K exactly
50:39
as it should should be played and hats off to you if you do there's a lot of people who play 40K on a much smarter
50:45
level than I am you probably could buy the ascended Forge World and hack the
50:51
base down to make it the right size to do the other one are they are they different bases I think they're different bases
50:57
it's not hugely and like I say if you're playing with somebody that wants toe about that
51:04
then just give that person a wide birath I think personally you I know it's not that easy to control who you play
51:10
against a tournament but and don't get me wrong I do think the new one with
51:16
regards to scales and design and all the rest of it is a lesser miniature yes than the Forge World one yeah but it's
51:24
also at going to be roundly 80 pound lesser and and more convenient to take
51:31
from A to B yes and easier easier to build easier to build four different
51:37
heads yeah you know yeah are any of them heads as good as the for drill ones no
51:42
but you know it's more you can make it your own a little bit more the wings are
51:48
smaller so you canly say makes easy to take for me to be I just think you've
51:53
got the perfect opportunity to take the one that your hobby level and your bank
51:59
accounts can cope with yes you've got options you know what I mean and you know and that's that's it and and like
52:07
I'm uh like I I do prefer the for Dr one I think I only think the wings on the 40K one look small because the ones on
52:14
the uh Forge World one um am I going to own these Miniatures probably not no um and they
52:21
going to paint them no no so you know and you know and this is obviously important to some people people
52:26
especially for the fact that the emperor children haven't had any love for a while yes the fact that they're getting
52:32
not you know and I think you know they're doing they doing basically what they did with death guards is when death guard came back and they you know they
52:39
did probably what is a much bigger range than what um than what Emperor's Children got and then they got their
52:46
Primark as well and you know I get that they're doing all of that but um I just
52:51
think it's possibly nice to have choices absolutely and I know I'd prefer building the plastic one
52:57
um oh good God yeah yeah I I I'm not a massive fan of uh building I try to
53:02
avoid res where wherever possible so yeah so I think yeah I think yeah when they when
53:09
they show the the the Vegas reveals you know they've already done full Grim yeah
53:15
they might have him in some group shots but I think I think realistically it's probably going to be uh I a little a box
53:22
with Theo yeah and the Codex in it or something speaking of death I saw on your Instagram you were posting some uh
53:30
yeah we almost forgot about that didn't which was the I'm assuming that will get an announcement at well it's gonna well
53:36
I don't yeah I don't know what's going to happen there because I I think for those that don't know which I'm sure
53:42
most of you do Games Workshop managed to do which they did with Dante is somebody asked for an AOS sorcerer
53:51
and ended up with a death guard what looks like a death guard Champion miniature that I would say probably is at least four months away from being
53:58
released maybe more because I think unless they are planning on going on like a a chaos a chaos Army rushing on
54:06
Emperor JS and death guard and pushing chaos out quite quickly one after another yeah I don't think death card is
54:13
probably near for release so is this will this be like the hey death guard codex is coming out here's your token
54:19
one new minut I think yeah I can't see death guard getting NL Els new there's
54:25
things I think they could do with I think they could do with um some some chaos spawn and things like that that
54:31
are a bit more narly based but realistically and I say this as someone who collects death guards I think what
54:37
they've got they've got enough to get by on would I like to see them have motorbikes and a heavy weapon unit yes but I think they can get by on what
54:43
they've got so I think this like last time where they got um whatever he was called they got a
54:51
they got a single miniature again last codex yeah I think they're going to do that to them again this moment and go
54:56
here's your yeah your death guard champ your death guard Lord which cuz they
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haven't got a dedicated miniature for that I think it's going to be this I think the new mini is really really nice yeah um as soon as I seen it um it I
55:11
seen it turn up on a Facebook group uh quite early on and I grabbed it there and then and I I I put a photograph out
55:18
of the sprew yeah and then that person kindly built it and post it back out again and then and for the sake of being
55:24
a completest to put that that up as well really really nice I thought it was a really really nice M unusual to have the
55:31
pose was quite unusual to have that enormous sword but resting over his back and just one hand holding it in place as
55:36
he walked I thought was really cool yeah so really really I thought that was really really nice um normally though
55:43
you're right um what Games Workshop Panic don't they
55:48
when there's been a a Le and then they they they do they do something about it
55:54
but I wonder if we got Emperor's Children still yet to come out on a
56:00
codex yeah where they might not be ready yet to to say it because bear in mind
56:06
you've still got c um Imperial guards have got to come out in the Codex proper then Emperor children going to come out
56:13
in the Codex proper I don't know whether death guard were as high on that list
56:18
bearing in mind still haven't had an Eldar Codex have we not oh wow no I don't think so still I think the Codex is
56:24
coming up with the next run of yeah elor Miniatures that we've got which is the the the uh the likes the fire Warriors
56:32
and the spiders like all Ann I thought to me death card strikes me as more at
56:37
the earliest in the summer yeah so this could be a very very early leak and I think they may well paint one up and put
56:44
out on when this will be coming in the future but I think it could be so far away they might just keep their mouth
56:50
shut and just leave it to just be out there and not say anything else about it for a while yeah fair enough cuz I think there's a number of codex before we get
56:56
to sadly for me as a death guard player before you get there so yeah it' be interesting to see I I do love it when
57:02
Games Workshop do it though it does make me laugh yes but it makes me laugh that people then go ah they do this on
57:07
purpose I go I don't think you're doing that on purpose no no like the impression I got when is there was like
57:13
leaks annoy everyone because everybody has to work really hard to push something out like straight away and especially as well as you go ah they did
57:19
this on purpose and you go you say that but that that person still didn't actually get there didn't at that point
57:26
yeah get get their what they bought they is great but actually then imagine phone
57:31
up and then going hi you sent me this thing out that's months and months away from release but I didn't actually get
57:37
me me AOS chaos sorcerer can you send it you think that do they then go yeah but
57:42
can we have the other thing back and they go no well he go no I'll hold it to Ransom though you're all right I was
57:47
going to say do you do you think that you know now two people in the world have been in that position the Dante
57:52
person and and then um and then this this chap um I wonder if they would call and say
57:59
Hey you sent me an unreleased miniature yeah how many Miniatures will you send me to not put pictures of this online
58:07
but Games Workshop they won't do that because no they they don't they send loads of stuff and then that person
58:12
would be like lol upload so that would be a very slippy road to go down um and
58:18
then I guess you'd be potentially opening yourself up to yeah I know I don't I think Games Workshop will either
58:25
with this one they will either they push through very quickly yeah um going here's a here's an early example of
58:31
what's going to be in the death guard codex and they'll do like a really early preview yeah and it'll still come out
58:37
when it was meant to I don't think they'll move the schedule anything around or this one to me like I say only
58:43
to me seems that early that I think they might just ignore it yes yes I was going
58:48
to say like when they when they announce it um I I want to I want to place a bet uh
58:56
that if they do if they do acknowledge it they'll use some in world like oh the
59:02
ctors got a bit confused oh yeah favorite yeah and and and then uh be
59:08
like yeah so I don't know yeah and you know don't get me wrong I think they are previewing things yeah like that when
59:13
they did the the picture before Christmas didn't have uh beond the fell handed dread oh yesing through the be
59:20
like like you know the equivalent of Santa and you know and there is no there's been nothing else mentioned about about the space Wolves of any well
59:27
nothing of of new miniature wise or anything so that might be that might be how we
59:33
get we might get something space Wolf related at Vegas maybe and if you do
59:40
maybe that's how we will end up with our our assault Terminators they'll come out in
59:46
the releas last thing then because this is something you went on a little bit of a
59:52
a Chase on and and I've been drooling over but trying to avoid oh yes trench
59:58
Crusade yeah I um yeah I I one thing that I I was going
1:00:05
to say but completely forgot in my New Year's resolutions was I quite like to to paint um less not less but um I was
1:00:14
going to say less GW stuff more other stuff yeah um and and broaden my
1:00:19
horizons a little bit um well I think see looking at some of the Miniatures for trench Crusades you your horizons
1:00:24
will definitely be broaden yeah yeah and and like there's a buzz about it we've talked about it a bit and um and the
1:00:31
buzz won't end it seems to just be on a does really well and um like Pat price
1:00:37
who I used to work with at a workshop um like we hadn't spoken in a little while
1:00:42
and he messaged me and was like have you seen trench Crusade I was like oh my god um and and we were Ching about that for
1:00:47
a little bit um so yeah the the I like the Miniatures and the setting is is um
1:00:53
is quite exciting so yeah I I did one of the late backers I I think slh hope yeah
1:01:00
um that when I was away I got an email uh I think they were saying like yeah
1:01:06
you can get your stl's now um there was one that had my mini Factory in it so I
1:01:11
was like oh I really hope that's the stls um but I think they're doing the they're fulfilling the physical um
1:01:20
prints if people have bought them as well but yeah I bought I bought the stl's for kind of like I went a bit
1:01:26
overboard and and I was like hey we might play it on the channel was you drinking while you were talking to Pap price
1:01:34
no I thought I thought your waver of enthusiasm mightly alol yeah yeah potentially um I oh somebody made it it
1:01:43
was my uh my partner Caris she made a brilliant joke she was like I'm doing dry January only dry white
1:01:49
wine excellent love it um so exclusively Savon Blanc for me this month um no it's
1:01:56
too cold for white wine anyway um yes so i' I've I've backed it to get like all
1:02:03
of the teams thinking hey I'll be like like I have the 3D printer we we have the 3D printer um let's like print them
1:02:10
off and paint some and play some games so yeah super looking forward to I I am as well it's it's that thing of like I
1:02:17
say I'm really glad you're getting involved because I am a financially avoiding it and B mentally avoiding it
1:02:23
cuz I can't hold more rules in me brain yes um I'm very very happy to dabble in
1:02:28
it once it arrived you know and if you want me to paint anything I'll uh
1:02:33
happily take away was there a team that tickled your fancy I don't know I'll have to have a look um I sort of quite
1:02:40
like the the bad guys that look a bit like sort of regular sort of 40K sort of
1:02:47
like Guardsman they've got ones that are like gas masked and things like that I don't must be honest I don't
1:02:53
remember the names of I I've got my phone out yeah so like caught of the seven-headed serpent I am a big fan of
1:03:01
um yeah so the new antioc I think I think they look fine yeah they do look really cool I really like uh the C the
1:03:09
dis serpant yeah the iron uh what was that the S sulate of the Iron Wall oh
1:03:15
yeah they're the good guys aren't they they're the they they sound pretty awesome trench Pilgrims really do it for
1:03:20
me that guy that looks like a walking Church oh was fantastic um so I think they've I think they've done a really
1:03:27
really great job of capturing the Grim dark aesthetic but being so different to
1:03:34
to Warhammer um Talking To Grim dark I think a really really good job I think talking to Grim dark as well as the uh
1:03:40
there'll be people buying uh them new John blanch sets that have come out of the army painter have been releasing
1:03:46
John BL oh I I saw the uh I I think I saw it on Instagram or something uh ninj
1:03:52
had painted uh one of the death core Creek using them yeah horses using them and saying hey it's a Blan blanchitsu
1:03:59
set yeah I was like holy crap didn't know that was a thing I think they I think there'll be pointy people cracking the out for uh for for trench Crusades
1:04:07
that's a good shout yeah cool I didn't even know those sets were um were coming out no I didn't S I didn't know they
1:04:14
were coming out until I seen somebody already reviewing them yeah yeah um yeah and then death CER like being
1:04:22
pre-ordered I think I've seen some of the uh like Lloyd painting coach has has
1:04:28
put his a lot of the a lot of the influencers and and YouTube guys have got a hold of them already' be
1:04:33
interesting to see what com yeah he sent me a picture of the finished thing on uh on WhatsApp and I
1:04:39
was just like that looks gross well done yeah it really got that sort of palid
1:04:45
you know cuz the the yeah yeah they claws are done like stained as a different skin tone and and
1:04:52
like the the the flesh he put like a pink on it so the flesh around the chory
1:04:58
hooie bits looks like really raw and and it just creeps me out I think it's
1:05:04
brilliant to to to you know kept them style of horses from Forge World and bring them back again yeah uh you're
1:05:12
right sir oh hello Hello Ross I want to come in and talk about trench Crusade come and talken Crusade Ross Ross turned
1:05:19
up partway three there we go hey man he he just missed us so much are you all right down yeah not too bad hi everyone
1:05:25
thank you for you've said you made my apologies so for anyone who's surprised I haven't been here the whole time watching I came halfway through in the
1:05:32
cor just Breathing heavily little bit well that was Bella mostly who I was stroking um but no like
1:05:39
yeah H glad to be back but obviously uh some stuff going off at the moment which um yeah I've been less than infused
1:05:46
about anything outside my own personal uh life and going off but thank you um
1:05:51
it happens but we've all been there at the end of the day we've we've all experienced this and I just didn't want to bring that energy to the show but you
1:05:58
started talking about trench Crusade and I was like I want to talk about trench Crusade CU I am so excited by trench
1:06:03
Crusade well some some kned but all the STS the whole thing so I know someone
1:06:09
with a 3D printer or a few yeah um so yeah so if you want to if you want to get some stuff printed off then yeah we
1:06:15
can have a look at that but the the bit I wanted to talk about was I think what
1:06:20
I like about these models that I'm yet to see everyone else doing is since we've gone into this 3D printing thing
1:06:26
everyone's done so so much and it's like 3D printers started being like Oh one
1:06:31
day we'll be able to print like Warhammer quality models and then within a year we were there and Beyond it and
1:06:39
now we're like wow we can print more detailed models like thingy and the problem I've got is is or the problem I
1:06:46
see as a painter is so many creators out there are going for more detail more
1:06:51
detail more detail more detail and that's great the models look fantastic but just like we've said about my
1:06:57
personal favorite sculps still which are the death guard sculps they are a pain in the ass to clean to to paint yeah
1:07:03
because yeah there's so much to them and the more we do that in Miniatures I think another example of it is the
1:07:09
ravage star stuff that the mini wargaming guys launched again fantastic models but Christ have you tried to
1:07:14
paint one I've got the box still wrapped in cellophane oh really um it's just
1:07:20
sitting there in the corner brooding and if you listen hard enough you can hear it breathing yeah and I definitely fell
1:07:26
into the like oh everyone's going to have this and I've got to do it yeah and I haven't touched it no it's great it's
1:07:32
great value don't get me wrong like a lot of resin printing it's great value and I especially love the vehicles in that cuz they remind me of like Jason
1:07:39
the wield Warriors if anybody that it might be it's probably before your time I was on the cusp of it but what I love
1:07:46
about trench Crusaders they've got that right and it's something we talked to I want to say Andy but I'm wrong the guy
1:07:53
from Steam forged who came in yeah um who was saying like oh he makes people do like a a stud pass or something where
1:07:59
it's like take the rivets off yeah take the rivet pass so take all that off and what trench Crusade have got right is
1:08:04
they've got just the right amount of detail to be good clear you know what it
1:08:10
is sculpts but it leaves you enough surface area to do your own do your own thing and pay well especially because
1:08:16
you know a lot of people are doing things with like doing the ones who are like humans who've gone to the to the
1:08:21
dark side for once for a better ter they've done a lot of them where they're like wearing just like standard sort of
1:08:27
almost like night chest plates but with nothing on them you go and then you start to see some of the very talented
1:08:32
painters that have got to work on them already you're starting to see the rust and different colors of greens going on
1:08:38
it I seen a guy the other day painted the ones he said I've done all of these underlit from the bottom up as red and
1:08:44
then from the top down as blue and he went the light sourcing makes no sense
1:08:50
but it just looks really cools good and he and he's getting away with it because the detail is strong but it's not
1:08:56
overpowering to the point that trying to paint it like that it's just BEC to become utterly a nightmare you know so I
1:09:02
think they the balance on detail on them versus paintability and giving you space
1:09:08
for painting having a creative painting palet on the miniature I think they've
1:09:14
nailed it myself and not only that when it comes to paint um uh printing as well CU you're right like you get too much
1:09:19
detail and you end up with there's just so much where you can't do anything as a
1:09:25
painter and as much as you think wow that'll look great you pretty much if you want to get an army of these out you it it's
1:09:31
Slap Chop or or that is your full-time job is is just painting these models um
1:09:37
but the other good thing is because of the Simplicity as well because of and and I'm saying Simplicity like I hope no
1:09:42
one everyone understands I don't mean that in allall in a negative that's it's positive um is when it comes to printing
1:09:49
I haven't tried them yet I wouldn't mind looking at the stls um because I haven't got my hands on with them but
1:09:56
I would imagine with the less detail there's less cleanup to do and less so hopefully what they've done is is like
1:10:04
Games Workshop Games Workshop don't try and make bolters with with like relief holes you've got to drill your Barrel
1:10:10
holes cuz they can't through that manufacturing process yeah but another thing that I found that resin printing
1:10:16
model makers haven't fully yet discovered is there are things they shouldn't do because of their model
1:10:22
making process so you end up with a lot of these prints out there that look like incredible renders yeah on in 3D when
1:10:30
you look at them online but then when you print them you're like oh God it's going to take me forever just to sand these support marks down like we were
1:10:36
talking a little bit earlier with the uh Empress children cuz GW released the
1:10:42
gray renders of the shoulder pads yes and I'm so used to seeing gray renders for 3D printed stuff that's just so
1:10:49
insanely detailed and so wild so like seeing a 3D render of just one part of a
1:10:56
Space Marine you I I'm figuring out why I think now was at the time you're like
1:11:02
well that's not very like it's not like yeah it's just a shoulder pad I thought
1:11:08
they would have gone further and this that and the other but it was like if you sent a picture of like the the side
1:11:13
profile or front of like a Space Marine leg you'd be like what is that like it's got no detail but we know that you know
1:11:21
the space Maron in itself and I love the legs cuz you get all the fades all that sort of stuff like so just showing off
1:11:27
that one individual part you're like what um or especially when you've seen so many others like you've looked at
1:11:32
like like the great tide sorry we've had like the greaty tide Studio stuff on before haven't we when you did the black
1:11:37
Temp and I've used a lot of gray tide stuff as well like I did some Dark Angels bits and I love gray tide Studios
1:11:44
but when you compare the two in a lot of ways I feel like less is more yes and I
1:11:49
think trench Crusade is going to I I don't know who the sculpts are behind it I'd imagine they're not like GW and they
1:11:56
make it public I'd really like to understand who the sculptors are behind these but there's clearly an intrinsic
1:12:01
thing that seasoned Warhammer sculptor understand yes because you know we you talked earlier that after I came in and
1:12:08
if anyone see if you can spot guys the transition in this video where I came in I think you'll be able
1:12:14
to looking off into the distance yeah exactly with a loving glow bless I I
1:12:19
have missed you happy New Year Lads yeah Happy New Year to you m but yeah like you know you talked earlier about it takes two years to do a GW sculpt and I
1:12:28
was sat there thinking well in this day and age like how can they compete against these sculpts knocking like an
1:12:35
army out a month like obviously it's a team but it's an army a month but then you think like the amount of
1:12:40
consideration that goes into the silhouette and and stuff like that so
1:12:46
you can see that this is a gaming piece and again a lot of the 3D sculpts we see online are much
1:12:52
more like they feel like almost models from the 90s and early 2000s in it exists it exists it exist
1:13:00
rather than this is an iconic piece everything an iconic piece apart from wrong trousers guy I think um yes
1:13:08
absolutely mention in last episode and you know the is it the sequel to the wrong
1:13:13
trousers Vengeance most foul Wallace and grommet exceptional watch get get it watched It's on I
1:13:19
player and then I think it'll be on Netflix soon as well oh sorry there's a new Wallis right okay it was sequel to
1:13:25
the model no no no sorry yeah um but yeah from like a creative standpoint um
1:13:31
yeah I think that like the there's two two sort of things like I guess I've done like when I used to work in a climbing wall I got into doing some
1:13:38
roote setting and you're like I've got the keys to the kingdom like I've got
1:13:43
all these holds I've got a drill I'm going to make people like turn backwards and do all this weird stuff and it's
1:13:49
like just cuz you can doesn't mean you should and and that's sort of like
1:13:55
people go you like you'll watch people do it and they'll be like well I'm not going to turn backwards I'll just reach that hole there instead like who and and
1:14:03
then you realize right okay and and and I think I did the same thing with my
1:14:08
videography like when I first started filming weddings I would have I had a belt of lenses on yeah um that was so
1:14:16
big I remember knocking over a vs and it smashing everywhere um and and that wasn't great whereas now and and I used
1:14:22
to change lens all the time and stand in one spot and go like oh I'm going to do a wide one and then a zoomed in one and
1:14:28
then a medium one and then um whereas now I I rock up and I place a
1:14:34
restriction on myself so I just have one lens that's one focal length and if I want to change the shot I need to move
1:14:39
around and search for it my and putting that restriction on yourself makes me a lot more creative so I think as a and I
1:14:47
think Games Workshop have restrictions with the manufacturing process like I'm sure they would have put bigger Wings on
1:14:52
but that would have taken up a whole additional frame of plastic and and then it's the size the box on a shelf however
1:14:59
much yeah so and like they've done what they can with everything and and they're still making great stuff so I think it's
1:15:05
fine yeah yeah looking forward to seeing it though Tren Crusade I really am looking forward to seeing them in the
1:15:10
hand and what they look like yeah so yeah cool I don't think I've been quite as interested in there another game
1:15:16
that's not made by GW quite as much as Tren crusade in quite a while it seems to have scratched that and it just yeah
1:15:21
just sort of caught a really interesting Style really switched a lot of people on I think being written by the guy who
1:15:28
wrote modim whose name I can't remember off top of my head it's definitely shown a good pedigree for it cuz it's such a
1:15:33
such a loved game yeah looking forward to seeing it got a lot of Buzz got a lot of Buzz time time will tell I think you
1:15:39
know this isn't the first one of these we've seen like you know they released the rules before like did yeah people
1:15:46
have been playing tournaments of it with noes done yet what is this for a while like this is the thing like I haven't
1:15:51
looked into the gaming that's no I haven't either but like you compare it to like the the guys who've been and we were meant to have them on the show but
1:15:57
the uh but he fell ill didn't he so they've been doing it and they've been getting a lot of Buzz people are
1:16:03
really liking that and the Miniatures are decent they're a little bit on the simpler side but I don't think there
1:16:11
there's just something intrinsically drawing about these these Miniatures
1:16:18
that they've definitely got a feeling of that feels more like a considered miniature rather than a digital schol
1:16:27
thinked the amount of marine proxies I've seen are and and they're great by all
1:16:33
means like you know there's loads of other ones I think my favorite ones are puppets War because they're like very
1:16:39
close but but dissimilar very stylized it's very stylized in their own way my favorite one of them funny enough their
1:16:45
weakest B for me is probably their copies of Space Marines but the um the
1:16:51
company that does a lot of really great Imperial guard and uh Chaos Faction stuff is um for me
1:17:00
is a station Forge oh yeah yeah and they produce some absolutely amazing Stu I think are they the guys who also do
1:17:05
there's another one it might not be station no no it isn't station Forge but there's another one who does and these
1:17:12
are the guys I'm thinking of I want to say atland Studios or something like that um I covered them years ago or a
1:17:17
couple of years ago and they've got space Marini very space Marini like the same shapes but lots more detail put on
1:17:25
again I feel like that's an example of just a little bit overd detailed like nicer scaling and that sort of thing but
1:17:32
it's like the benefits of 3D printing is again you're limited aren't you a plastic molding you've got to push it
1:17:38
together like that and then pull it apart so to make a a dynamic pose model it's like eight different pieces but you
1:17:44
don't need to do that with a 3D print because you can have voids and you can
1:17:49
have various other things so to me the guys who get who design models
1:17:55
and and meses one I've mentioned it to him directly he does the the um he does SMY bits and some not deathu guard
1:18:01
dredge Marines and I love and I think they're fantastic but I think he'd do better with even though it might not
1:18:08
print as well and might be a little bit detailed every time we release as a model do a fully assembled version
1:18:14
because because his you still piece together yes but I'm wondering is that a part and and that's good in ways because
1:18:21
you can hide mold lines in areas that you won't see and not mold lines but support marks but is part of that you
1:18:29
build it in pieces an intrinsic carry over from the nature of where we've come from could we have that as a single
1:18:36
piece because I would imagine the majority of people out there would much rather go print twist [ __ ] it don't care
1:18:42
paint yeah like yeah so but that's it but yeah trench Crusade is really it's
1:18:48
got the right people behind it it's got a great Buzz it's got the right style of Miniatures I'd love to see how they
1:18:55
print um really excited for it so hopefully this is one that yeah does
1:19:00
well I think we'll do our best to try and keep on the train with it and bring you know keep showing especially any of
1:19:07
our viewers aren't really well up on trench Crusade we'll keep bringing little bits in and talking about it and showing a little bit more of it yeah
1:19:13
yeah keep keep our hand in yeah it' be interesting to see what's going to happen with war machine this year I feel
1:19:19
like they they're going to have a big AIG Big Show at adepticon
1:19:25
like I I would imagine yeah um they've been bought out and that's like the big
1:19:30
thing in the calendar isn't it so I know there's in the Discord there's been uh been a few people there just a good
1:19:36
release talking really positively about it a good release uh post the their um
1:19:42
the them releasing the war machine back out there again I'm just looking forward to as much as anything to the P3 paints
1:19:48
following behind it as well so yeah so P should we go with the p I think we
1:19:55
should go the pub um thank you everybody those who stuck with us last year hope you will do this
1:20:01
year as well patrons you're lovely lovely people yeah you yeah absolutely remember to buy
1:20:08
your stuff from element games yes harder and steam back of the people you need for airbrushes yeah anybody else we can
1:20:15
you can just shill away to yeah any do we have affiliate links in the description yeah uh and it all helps out
1:20:21
the channel I've noticed a few emails uh of of I think more people are either
1:20:26
buying airbrushes with their Christmas money or having airbrushes bought for them EXC so and that it really does just
1:20:33
help keep everything going yeah thank you very much guys and we'll uh see you very soon take care bye

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