Games Workshop Broke the Internet

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hello I'm Jeff and I'm Ross hello I'm Patrick and maybe maybe
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should I do it again yeah yay
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doy come and say hi come on no and my usual line for our Audio Only
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listeners yes oh so we thought we'd have a chat oh and we'd have our meet rounds
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than for coming on Ross Me Maybe sort to stop us talking too much nonsense com s to help keep us
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a bit in check and make it worse cuz we're in for a subject matter that may it may be too big for two brains too too
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big for my small brain um yes it so
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something happened um well it was it was uh when we were recording our chat with
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James Taro yes uh the news broke that day that um that a female custodes
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existed that was that was leaked from the oh and we decided we were going to talk about it didn't we so get myself
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press I was wondering I'm ready to talk about this subject let's go I think
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people might be able to tell already that we're we're quite this is quite a nervous intro this is a topic isn't it
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yeah this is I cuz as much as um I I was just going to go well let's
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just not talk about it and let's you know what's what's your favorite paint um this is I think probably the the
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biggest thing that's happened to Games Workshop in like in a while in a while I think
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the last one that sort of riled people up on this sort of level was when they
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did their big Games Workshop is for everyone remark which was came from when
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that gentleman end up at uh I can't remember Spain was it Spain and he was
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wearing um some rather t-shirt and uh and because the
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real problem did you know about this one I I remember I I know the post I didn't read the Contex yeah because what had
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happened is he end up wearing this T t-shirt that people you know found
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offensive and then people said um I'm not playing against him but the problem you've got in Spade is that um there is
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no laws saying what you can and can't wear yeah and was he called the Austrian painter as well or something like that
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yeah he had something El he was he was if not he have now just ruined the Austrian painters profile in case it's
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not him yeah the Austrian painter yeah IE Hitler yeah but um but then the
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problem being was is that then people then got penalized because um it's not against the law if anything he could
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phone he was in the better o had the better opportunity to phone the police on how he thought he was being treated
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at the at the tournament than how was he booted then or he he no he Carri he was
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able to carry on playing and because if anything like say he had the more of an opportunity to say I'm at this event of
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I'm being discriminated against right okay and then to set the balance on it Games Workshop um put a post out saying
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you know waram is forever yeah waram for everyone and this is probably the biggest warhammers for everyone since
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the last warhammers for everyone isn't it really it's been quite big hasn't it because I think what makes this big is
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that it's not just like we've all got our Warhammer news we've got our spiky bits we've got our balls we've got our
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various things Hammer blog yeah yeah which which covers the news when when uh
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whenever I get chance to write it um so like 2020 two was the last one but um
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but yeah we've got that but this one's broken through because I didn't know about this till last night um so I had
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to read what had happened well I knew about it but I I didn't I wasn't too fussed so I had to read it on on you
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know the everyone's favorite hobby news site uh polygon which is where which is
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where I got the update from So speaking of like offensive is it worth covering
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like I think we're not I don't I hope we're not kicking the proverbial dead horse here by dragging this out further
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but I think the dust is now settling enough that we we can do an objective view well I think anger I think the dust
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when you say the dust I think the anger is coming down so currently it's at the
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time of recording it's been what a a week two weeks yeah about that something
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like that I can tell you when it was on the 14th so yeah about two weeks yeah I tell you what just as a sidebar to this
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I tell who must have been loving this happening absolutely love that this happened go on Neil Hollis cuz people
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stop talking about was like
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Christ not one good point no one cares about AI anymore we need to talk about
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women yeah that's the that's the to I wonder if it was I wonder if Neil Neil was the one that leaked it
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just just to get it off yeah oh bless him but uh I think is it wor so so what
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has happened so I think the the the recap of events is the custodis Codex
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someone had it early someone someone got it early and they took a picture and leaked a paragraph where a custodes was
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referred to as she right um this got posted on Twitter and someone asked
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Games Workshop what's going on with you making female custodes now and in the
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now sort of Infamous tweet I'm not going to get it verbatim but they said um I
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can read it oh you can read it there we go let me let me get you closeup this is hi how we doing so this this is the this
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is where I thought it started cuz I thought this was unprompted and just posted by War so the the Tweet was since
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the first of the 10,000 were created there have always been female custodians
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full stop that's it that's the context I have from the intro which so far has had
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1.5000 reposts 17,000 quotes 12,000 likes and 916 bookmarks and 4.2 million
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views yeah that's probably like their best performing yeah the best the best
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marketing they've ever had that they probably never want should have released that statement on their YouTube channel in the made of Fortune out of that yeah
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oh yeah look at the clicks yeah um so that that came out so that tweet came
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out and then everyone went nuts boom yeah so now you're about to listen to
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three white males talking about talking about whether or not it's
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okay to to have females well I mean yeah
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how do we even appro we are the right demographic to talk about it because it seems to be only really white male who
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seem to be massively upset about it in the first place there's well there's another I I saw like a lot of this I
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I've been um just trying to absorb as much um as many tweets and and and
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comments on Facebook and YouTube and I've done so much Googling you know Urban Dictionary I'm I'm officially old
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now I'm like what's a soy boy um and what's a so boy and am I am I one yes
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yeah yeah probably um I mean the funny thing is I don't I don't drink normal
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milk it doesn't agree with me so I am I'm an almond milk boy um or I just
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drink black coffee now you know if you're Macho but not you know if you're more Macho than a soy boy but not as
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matcho as like a full fat milk boy are you like a a fully skimmed boy is that a semi- skimmed boy
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sem fully skimmed if you fully skm you've got full fat boy boy skim boy
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then milk alternative yeah so with soy being like the top then it probably goes down to Oat almond and I don't
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know i' love see I love I love coconut water I mean it's packed full of
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electrolytes it's great stop oh yeah we have in in the heat I love it it's
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better than electrolyte tablets but it is really expensive uh so I can't drink very much of it special occasion or when
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I've got a really bad headache um I've got a good I've got a good segue back to the topic oh yeah so um
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so yeah uh custodes with boobs thoughts okay so so I
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think I mean there is as as we kind of discussed before recording um I
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everybody's very everything seems to be very polarized at the moment yeah and um
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what whatever it's called I'm going to reference it as sort of gender politics
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maybe um is in real life and it's it it it's now
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seen in art CU art imitates uh real life I'm going to put this coffee down before I spill it um
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and people have quite strong opinions on it on either side um some of which I can
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understand and some of which I just can't um I think you know Games Workshop
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releasing like a a big sort of reccon that I imagine they known would have
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been controversial on Twitter of of sort of all places just in that sentence like
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as you say full stop it's just they've always been there and you're like what
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um I I think it was a a bad way to do it yeah um I think I think that's not a hot
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take um like if they if if they'd released like let's be
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honest I think the custodes model that they released we talked about it I think it looks rubbish is is there a model is
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there a female right so go on that's what I want to talk about but go on cuz the cuz the Codex that they released
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people have been up in arms about not being very good not being very good the model that they released was a bit like
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what's going on there heit he seem to be as white as he was tall yes yeah he's proper chunky boy
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um and then like that's the only thing they've got for this like like you know
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a lot of armies that I've had um you know either with the custodies are still
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in in game terms a relatively new Army so they didn't really need anything so
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they've just been given a new character right like death guard in ninth Edition got the Lord of Arland he didn't need
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anything else doing so they got one model adeptus mechanicus got one model so they've got their new one model and I
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think some custodia players a bit like I would have liked more M codex isn't that great and that you told me I've got
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women as well so it's kind of like three three so it's so it's upsetting from a is your new model which which was
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unloved by the community in general to and also made wor by the fact that you can only still currently buy them only
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in one place which is in a big that's that's
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typical that's been the norm for years but that's come out and it's like I get
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what you're saying about the gender politics but I kind of view it as like is it because I I just get it from the
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point of view of like you said it wasn't handled well yeah is this not just like
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bad handling and then people who are like we talked about last time so invested in the law of a
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predominantly of what has always been you know there's law reasons like the genan seed and blah blah see you can't
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and all that so so is it not just people like actually your Games Workshop are
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haphazardly destroying my law of this thing without your gender politics yeah
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yeah yeah I've heard I've heard this as a as an argument um there was a YouTube video I watched oh KY was it um the
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critical Drinker he's called usually reviews movies um but I think he's sort
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of you know in terms of Wings stereotypically a bit more right
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like more sort of like anti-woke sort of style and he's talking about that sort of thing and one of one of the comments
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on there was it's not about women it's about them being [ __ ] like get like them
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the games workshops yes um and yeah I definitely want to clarify what we're saying yeah it's not about women it's
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just about women being [ __ ] no that's not what you meant at all um and that's yeah that's an argument that I've that
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I've seen a bit with saying you know the laws really well established now so to do something like that is is bad like if
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they' would it have been more palatable to people that are really annoyed about it um if
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they'd I don't know had a book about a female custodes yeah a model and said
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they're a thing now here you are yeah yeah if they'd have done it like and I know it's considered it's not a great
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example because it's consider badly handled by by a lot of people who are 40K fans is that when they brought in
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primaris Marines yeah they went this has been in the works for a long time it's
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been an engineering program that has been reestablished by Gilman wakes up and and he's got his new super smart
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made from ad deptus mechanicus that's no one's ever heard of before suddenly the guy but they sort of tried to give you
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if maybe did Gone there's so many
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fanatical women who now want to protect the Emperor as well and the technology
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has moved on that that women are now being selected for custodes as well and
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it been part of a book yeah it's happened in a it been introduced and and
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explained out maybe that would have been a better way of doing it but going with
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the always has been isn't a great way of dealing with it no because it's a little
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bit like going it's this yeah you know and
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ultimately and I may be biased because the fact I don't have a custodies army
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is I don't hugely care to be fair but I do care about how
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you look after the law of the game yeah agree I I I care that it's it's it's
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because what you don't want to do on mass is this then becomes a thing
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where it's happening all of the time and it doesn't have to be about women but
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it's but the problem I think with it is is this one seems to have been the thing
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that upsets people and it seems to have upset people
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more than a lot of other things the Games Workshop do and this is the bit where it's sadly it starts to look like
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it has a gender biased in people's anger like we were talking about this before
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the rogal dawn tank is meant to have been around for quite as amount of time
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is that the one with the no bottom that's the one with the no bottom that's a whole another bit of let's see how many people can we
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upset but but the thing with that was it was like oh it's been around for ages you've got a Leman Rush tank you got a
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rogal dawn tank it's been around for but doesn't that make sense because of all the there's like there's the Ming isn't
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there in the in the Warhammer Universe of everything is forgotten and it's and it's yeah you can find an STC and but
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it's sort of they sort of approached it as if to go oh no we've had them for ages yeah and they go but they've never
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been mentioned and you know to my knowledge I'll put in as a thing it's almost as if the law is there to sell
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Miniatures it's a bit like that isn't it no no it can't but I think it's become
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so big that it's almost its own thing now but this you know but this is it is let any people go we're doing a new tank
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cuz you've all you've probably all your Imperial Guard players have got enough of all the other tanks that you need to
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need were struggling to sell you anything yeah and they go how about a new tank and then they sort of gone oh
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yeah they've had them for ages but no one flipped the table and
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went they've never been in a book they've never been this they've never been mentioned they just people just
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went oh okay and it's lots of things like no one really got massively upset
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when guess they got a cool tank out of it yeah when the custodies became yeah yeah when the custodies became the range
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that they now are people didn't get massively upset the fact that the first art you ever seen of a custodies
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involved him in a pair of basically leather Speedos a cloak and a spear and just a helmet oh just like Spartans they
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were basally you know they they look like they were they look like they were dressed for hen night parties you know
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what I mean and and people didn't get mbly upset when they then went oh now they're
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in full armor yeah you know I mean and you go and whatever way you dress that up that's a bit of Rec conon surely
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isn't it oh yeah yeah without I mean go they stood stoically at The Emperor's at the emperor's Throne just wearing
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leather Speedos and a helmet yeah and nobody got massively upset because they would have really dodgy as Miniatures
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wouldn't they like again it it goes back into what like I'm interested why are people getting so upset and from what
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I've read it's like you kind of it starts off with the people who are invested are like no I'm rejecting this
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and with the rogal dawn tank it was like here's a new tank and everyone's like everyone's so distracted by pretty new
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tank that the delivery is like oh well whatever that's already established STC with this there's no new model there's
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no new pretty anything there's just a blanket statement of this is this is it
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and then everyone's been like okay you're kind of crapping on your own law there guys they've got involved but then
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where it's expanded is the assumption that it's gender politics because yeah
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everyone's getting upset about it and and it gender politics is a Very Yes
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common thing so that that's where it's expanded out of Warhammer definit but actually like if you it like we've been
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around for ages I'm sorry guys warham is the most inclusive like no one cares in
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in Warhammer we've been to Adept conon we've been to events we've been to various places it's it's it's the place
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where no one cares you be you yeah you can be any kind of whatever you want and
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you are welome welcome here because I don't care about anything you've got going on personally no one cares about
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me let's talk about whether or not that's a cool model or how you paint this and do that so it it's kind of like
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it the bit that's upsetting is that it's now been dragged down that that path yeah which was never which was never the
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upset in the first place and now I'm worried that the message getting back to Games Workshop is going to be
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confused that everyone's upset about oh you shouldn't touch politics actually people would I know I'm confident people
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would want female custodians female Space Marines but deliver it steady on
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with the female Space Marines remark Jesus it's not another thing
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like that seriously don't don't they they have them people will find out
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where we are the studio will get burnt down and but this is where I'm like I'm a painter
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like I'm not I'm not into the law I've tried the law I read the only book a enjoyed was space Wolf cuz it was you
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know it was it was a bit like what's the word is it like teen teen teen action
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action sort of um Coming of Age yeah like like a Hunger Games like a Maze Runner that sort of thing cuz it's the
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only thing my brain can comprehend with I can't remember the names in the first five pages of uh of the Horus heresy but
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I enjoy space but I'm not into the law I don't play the games are just like painting core models and for me like
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people have converted female Space Marines they've they've done various things I don't care if it's a
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good-looking model then then I'll then I'll paint it because it's a good-looking model but I can understand
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why on the law side of things it's the handling of it that that is the bad
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thing yeah that's the bad thing I think the problem with it is the law has been handled badly the fact that it's just
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been a new thing shoehorned in people AR massively keen on on that but you know
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as do was plent people who got really upset about how Space Marines were handled someone said why don't you just why didn't you just say it was a new
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armor and they for the prim AR yeah just say it was a new armor why did you have to say oh no theyve started breeding
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bigger guys and you know and and you know and then there was all flaws was like they go not everyone that goes
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through this survives it but then funn enough every everyone did everyone you know but every character that went
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through it survived it you know it's like so but I think the problem being is
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and and is this happens with so many things isn't it is that it has now been jumped on by people who don't like the
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idea of more in of more diversity or or all or people
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getting a fair crack of the whip within things there is people who generally get upset about this sort of thing and sadly
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there is some of them in our community and I think this is the problem is like you know I talking about this earlier on
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if you go back far enough the the original model of necrons were called chaos Androids were they yeah oh right I
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didn't know that okay they were robots that worked for chaos right go back far enough and then they got changed and became necrons and they were necrons
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that worked for the Katan gods and now we're at the point that necrons can actually enslave their God enslave these
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gods and you go things are always changing and moving around and you know and it was you know the tow were a prime
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example of it was like you know when the TOA codex came out out originally and I
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think it was Third Edition they were going oh we the human race has been fighting these for ages and well why
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have we never heard of them before you know and things just shift and change and you know and I'm going to probably a
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couple of times on this and it's really worth a watch if you if if for those of you watching haven't watched it already our friend Dave Walker who was was Ms
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paints did a little video about this and he said what think is upset upsetting a
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certain demographic is that that you've got women have been
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promoted into a position within the 40K Universe without a downside because he
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as he said sisters are silence who work alongside this the the custodies they
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are soulless and once they've got that job they're not allowed to talk and then
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sisters of battle look a bit like sexualized drix nuns got thing going on
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and then and to use Dave's Words um your SL your slanesh and your dark elar are
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all hypersexualized shag addicts and he said so so he's going it seems to be a
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lot you know and although it's improving with RAR with with with with things like the Imperial Guard but a lot of it seems
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to be that if you're a woman in the 40K Universe there has to be a Trope attached to what you are you can't just
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be you know you know sisters of battle realistically could have just been in
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very non-sexualized armor but yet they're in armor that is shaped around a pair of breasts with two big FS Stu on
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the front of them yeah when you watch like a like and people talk about that like what's what do you mean sexualized because obviously women have breasts you
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would probably need to think of that what's non-sexualized Vasquez from Aliens is the exact like you know she's
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not dress dressed any different to I forget his name the other guy with the smart gun um Drake that's it yeah so
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um yeah so that that sort of thing is exactly what well even Dave made that point he said he said if you look at
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aliens he said for seoni Weaver's character rippley he says you look at aliens for the first STS of the movie he said she stands around winging that
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you're aren doing things right and then kicks into gear once she becomes a mother type character yeah exactly that that and he
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seems to be you can be a kickass female yeah but there has to be a Trope but
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because Games Workshop has just cut straight through that and gone there there just is it isn't it the just is
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the the the new guard models um the the bodies like are the same bodies as the
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same bodies and you can cuz if you've got a loads of body armor on and then
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you put a a female head on the body like you could have a female only guard regiment if you wanted or a mixed sex uh
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regimen and nobody's bothered about that um but there's models for it stuff work
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has been heading been in the law quite a lot gamees Workshop has been heading towards diversity already because if you think I
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remember when I started playing 40K and it shocking to say this and it's not a route I want to go down but I'm
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using it as an example All Space Marines were white yeah yeah no one used to paint
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them blackf faac no they were all white and then their first way of sort of
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going over the different color Space Marines was by doing salamanders
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and it wasn't even by going it wasn't even by going oh they are just from a
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planet where they are black they've gotone oh it's the ash from the planet they live and is permeated into what
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they look like and then you started getting more space Rines were being painted black and now and I'll give a
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prime example of this uh the black templar's sword Brethren has heads on it
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yeah that are blatantly the featur of a black man who are sword Brethren
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who are sword Brethren black they're they're um a specialist unit of black Templars right okay and they literally
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are black eyy faces and it's the same with the with the stormcast if we go
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into AE of sigar for a moment they are literally if you were to paint them as white guys it wouldn't look right their
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features are are you know so they are starting and then they say they pulled the guard in as female so they are
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starting to make it a more diverse culture within
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the within the game and I think this maybe on some levels maybe shouldn't
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have shocked people quite so much you know what I mean yeah agreed I think you're not wrong about like yeah I
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think we graes Workshop need a little bit of not not credit that's the wrong word but I think they need a little bit
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of like respect or understanding they need a bit more understanding because like
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you say if if they want to add new humanoid ra human races into the game
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however or into the law however they do that they're going to get screwed for it they are going to have like people
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objecting about and and you know not just um you know well all people of color like Christ if they Tred to look
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at the um the oh bloody what is it who are the guys who are like Eastern based
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um or like the desert Raiders is it desert no they're Space Marines um the bikes the bikes yeah like they're quite
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Eastern Mongolian influ Mongolian yeah but you don't get like other than I think is it jagy KH but other than him
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you don't really get the the appropriate suiting heads for I think he might be someone sprew like an upgrade sprew but
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that but you're right but they're not they're not there isn't vast amounts of but if they tried to go in there now and
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go right we're doing we are like overtly we're doing people of different races to be more inclusively representative they
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they I don't think there's any way they could do that without objection we had it this is potentially an extension of
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that like how if if they had handled this the way that you think yeah maybe
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they should have come out with a model do you think that still that would have gone down better or would it still have been an outcry I think there would have
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still been an outcry but like more of a a palatable one like I think it would
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have been a bit less as it I think if they'd released a book and that book was like you know
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something like the new dawn of the custodi yeah yeah and in that book they started to realize that the the
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adaptations to become a custodi work fine for women yeah and then they did it
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and then by the end of the book set over however many hundred years you want you
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have Captain Jane Smith yeah and then there was a captain Jane Smith Miniature
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yeah I think it would have been more palatable for people going forward um because it's sudden and it's
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jarring it it caused people to get upset and then as Pat was telling me the uh
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the writer um Aaron oh Aon demsky Bowen yeah so he I I have a multitude of
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screenshots um he he uh sort of weighed in I want to say as well um we've we've
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nearly got tourist Bingo sorry what is
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this this is something I found on a Facebook group um and uh we've been
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hitting lots of the topics so we're definitely tourists oh God it's say hobby tourists we're hobby tourist right
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so what what's the context of tourist Bingo what what I don't well so i' like if we say a bunch of this I wonder if we
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can get it before we uh okay should we leave it to the end and see if we managed it yeah yeah but references la
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from 37 years ago so like the original custodes we talked about that that
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should make you a tourist that should show you show that you actually know quite a bit really should be
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tourist see just no comeback yeah uh the company can do whatever they want um
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repeating we haven't done that one no we haven't done that one we're not going to either La Law changes all the time we
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talked about necrons war war never changes check out Fallout now on
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Amazon I don't think we've we've gasset anyone um good time yeah yeah so law
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only exists to sell stuff I said that you need a screenshot like we haven't seen that me and Jeff haven't seen that but you need a screenshot of that screen
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so everyone else can see it so well let's see how close we get get to it by the end of the show yeah so I mean what
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what um I think about all of this is it amazes me that like this is the thing that
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has has pushed like outside of Warhammer like into the mainstream like Jeff you
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sent was it the Poke the Poke satirical page on Facebook and they
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were like um like tabletop War gamers are angry to find out some of their
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models of women by the way what is a custodes yeah like like and and that and
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that was that was quite funny there was something on like on on Reddit uh there's a subreddit called out of the
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loop and that has like 3 million like followers and someone was like what's
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going on with this Warhammer thing and people being angry about their toys being girls yeah um and like taken out
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of out of the context of Warhammer like it does look a bit ridiculous when you it it looks crazy um and like there's um
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I've got a screenshot here about how to successfully boycott Games Workshop oh
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God so the dos and the don'ts okay um and some of the don'ts are a bit like
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hopefully just a a normal human wouldn't do that don't harass people oh why not no yeah don't harass
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people okay good one if you're going to boycott Games Workshop don't buy from Games Workshop there's an idea yeah
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that's pretty good uh don't subscribe to the apps uh don't give in and buy the latest
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fomo box uh don't visit Warhammer community
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either um do send physical letters see I I was at Workshop when um at the time
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this is because I was worked for the company when there was another boycott going on
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and that was to do with the fan animations because they were they were gearing up to do waram plus um and that
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boycott worked exceptionally well yeah um and any predictions for this boycott
33:58
let's just keep going gamees work are done um what say they say what do they say between this and him and all his 3D
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PR and I'm surpris all I did actually I wanted to and and now's a good time to
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bring it up just because um I can't find it so I actually sat last night and and went through the tweet and had a look at
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some of the replies on Twitter yeah um and the first one was uh Brent from goobertown Hobbies oh yes and the one
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that I now can't find I've just found it I've just found it um uh uh there we go so I I don't know who this person is or
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or whether or not you know we should support them but I just read it um marzana k um at Miss Conrad Kur uh so
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clearly a Warhammer fan yeah uh I'm a female player I have ultramarines Orcs
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chaos Marines and collect various Minis that I enjoy like grimaldus from now on
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I will be 3D printing I will pirate your books and share them with my friends for free this pandering is insulting and
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condescending now all I want to say on that is if you do want to start 3D printing check out fa Hammer videos for
35:05
uh for help on getting your 3D print set up I said I was doing this for free I didn't
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s yeah so yeah I'm trying to check coup out of the three of us who's on the the
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content influencer program Fair Point now to be fair I do send my stuff
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to two other writers who cover it on the website and I I don't get it but but still uh yeah good point but no like I mean
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I'm I'm even on my 3D printing Channel I'm Pro Games Workshop I don't I will 3D
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print Warhammer adjacent things but there are alternatives now um I will
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print things for my Space Marines but I still I still very much and we've talked about this I would still much rather get
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a plastic model and clip it off a sprew and glue it together then mck around with resin yes as as that's from the
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three 3D printer guy because it's easier it is it is still easier but there just
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there are more options for 3D printing which is why it's good but it's that sort of comment and I've seen a lot like
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them even on my channel where it's I've come here because of this and I'm
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like really like I I get that people are upset and I get that they're upset about
36:20
the whole thing but like you say it's about yeah boycott nicely but not I
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don't know it's a hard one it's it's the whole situation is like mental isn't it
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so like like I said I've had to do a bunch of Googling like so on of the the
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um on the critical Drinker video 18,000
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up votes on this comment we're Warhammer 40K fans we are weaponized or Autism not
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one backward step and then that's got a heart from like critical Drinker and I
36:59
had to Google what weaponized autism was and apparently it originated from like
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a what is considered to be a as Google tells me I have no idea a right-wing
37:12
sort of version of Twitter that's like very Pro um free speech and weaponized
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autism apparently is from the mindset of if you're artistic you have a superpower
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like you're really good at Art you you know what you lack in in other areas you're you can hyperfocus you can do
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this you can do that so like Rainman light yeah yeah so people going I'm a
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Warhammer fan I'm autistic I'm going to harness my powers to like hold the line
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and go after Games Workshop or something like that and apparently it's it's used by people that generally aren't autistic
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um and of course there will be people that are autistic and and say that as well but I'm just like what going on
37:59
like a lot of this I feel like I'm not clued up enough to comment on everything but like there's some some
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comments and stuff that I've seen are like just genuinely horrific um because I think people
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people are welcome to their view like people are welcome to if you if this has upset you to that degree that you want
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out then then fine like you're allowed to feel that way yeah you are completely okay like I don't think anyone's has
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been wrong anyone's people's feelings have been hurt by this that's so it's fine there's one thing that I'm going to
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say someone's [ __ ] definitely wrong okay Space Marine sensor machine G to get involved there no and and and like
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and I I I will give like at the end of this I guess like my opinion on the whole thing I guess in in a way but so
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somebody's um like I I don't want to say their name because I don't want to like dox them or anything but the and I don't
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even know if there's any truth to this but somebody posted um that one of the
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the writers of Space Marine 2 is trans um and it's like going to cancel
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your pre-order now or later and one of the comments and it's it's like I part
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of me doesn't even want to read it but then the other part of me is like this kind of [ __ ] needs calling out like it's just horrible uh so it says I'm
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suspect ing some woke spider eggs hidden in the game pity you can't fire People
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based on their politics this thing needs a goo lag like I take back my previous
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comments yeah but I kind of I wanted you to cut back to me then and my head just be turned completely upside down for
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like yeah what trying to figure like cuz
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because that when when they say pity you can't fire someone based on their politics like you like the whole sort of
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like trans debate I remember having this sort of conversation with with my dad and and his wife and I was like you know
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I being a a straight white guy well like I guess being white has nothing to do
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with it but being a straight male like I can't comprehend what it must feel like
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to be in the wrong body because I'm just
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straight guy and that's how I always have been and I think that's how he always will be um I can't I can't put
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myself in someone's shoes and imagine how difficult that must be to want to go through like a transition or what have
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you cuz that's a very big sort of Step isn't it um but saying like I I can't I
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wouldn't have thought that it would say if I said I I want to transition or I want to live as a woman like I guess it
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is political now but it feels like a very personal choice um so when they're
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saying it's a Pity somebody can't be fired over their politics like somebody could fire them over their
41:04
politics cuz they're being just like massively horrific like that kind of
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stuff like see unfortunately see more and more and that kind of the argument
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of Games Workshop saying like oh they've done it a bit wrong and then someone's like that thing needs the goo lag and
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it's like I'm not going to take you seriously anymore like you can't at that degree it's kind of like look there are
41:28
people in the world people think different very different it takes a lot
41:34
for the world to go around like I I read the same thing um not the I read another
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tweet of somebody like posting and there was a headline I'm going to paraphrase along the lines of writer of Space
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Marine 2 and Gotham Knights something something yeah and the only reason I was upset is because I didn't care for the
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story in Gotham kns and I was like oh a like that like a the person who's wrote
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that wrting the thing I want to look forward to like and again no I don't want to put down that person's work I
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just I personally didn't care for it um and it and it upset me that but it the
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rest of it was just okay like why do I don't get why people care this much
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anymore I I get why you care about the law yeah but why do you care about the person who's writing it did you enjoy it
42:23
or not the bit that gets me to just talking about Karen is going back to you saying about people going I'm not buying
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anything I'm going to 3D print it I'm going to Pirate the books I'm going to do all those things and you go if you're
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that angry why don't you try just stop them yeah yeah going I hate it but I
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hate it so much I'm going to Pirate the books yeah and you go well you don't
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hate it enough do you yeah you don't hate it enough you're suggestion you
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hate it enough yeah but you don't hate it enough because if you hated it enough
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it would be in the bin out the back of your house and you just set light to it you know what I mean yeah you don't hate
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it enough these things of I'm going to do this I'm going to stop buying it I'm going to Pirate it so you're going to
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put all of the effort into not doing this thing yeah but it's stuff that you you're
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going to do all of these things to still keep doing the thing that apparently you hate it's like when and I don't to go on
43:29
off a big topic but like when they had the whole thing where Nike supported the
43:34
NFL player who was kneeling pregame and people were sh people were setting fire
43:40
to their training shoes oh right on YouTube and Twitter and what else it may
43:46
be and Instagram and was setting fire to the training shoes and you go Nike don't
43:52
care you've already paid for them you want to do really cool go into the shop and set light to them in there yeah mean
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well no can we just say that this this podcast is not endorsed by setting fire
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to to shops yeah like you know I'm getting that you know yeah yeah yeah
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it's it's that sort this thing I've going I'm going to shoot myself in in the foot but I'm going to put new shoes on first before I do it you know what I
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mean it's like it's like you going all of this ranting anger anger and to you it probably feels like it's real anger
44:26
but it's not Ang enough is it it was anger enough you're just going I'm selling it all that's the anger yeah you
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were on to it with the uh I think that's a good thing is like how to boycott responsibly and and it is a good like
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look if if you're sick of it and how they do things it's not going to change it hasn't changed it hasn't changed I've
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been back in the hobby for the last five years after a big Hiatus you know from your childhood uh five nine years um God
44:54
time's flown I forgot about covid that was in there that's why yeah um we we don't talk about that it's just yeah
45:00
that's just time stopped time is a concertina it is yeah April 2020 just stop and then sometime now but yeah but
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no in um in that whole thing like every time there's a something big or something there's this big Wing like
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this I must have been like this must be my 12th boycott in the last seven or so
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years that I've seen and it it doesn't change it doesn't thing it so if you're
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going to boycott do it stop stop buying things stop going and adding to like you say
45:31
the Twitter and and fueling it stop talking about it because when PE when it
45:36
disappears and people stop talking about it that's when it fails but the more that this is the the more people who are
45:42
going online who want to boycott it going raah rah rah brings this into the
45:48
into you know keeps fan in the Flames keeps fan in the flames it's now brought it out of the Warhammer news circle into
45:54
the other Warhammer news Circle so for every one person who has genuinely left
45:59
Warhammer from this yeah going into mainstream media there are now 10 other
46:05
people who are going oh Warhammer I used to play that when I was younger I might get back into that or someone goes
46:10
what's the custodes oh they look cool yeah there you go so so you've got if
46:15
you want to stop stop just you you're making the problem worse it's why most
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of the times in elections they say that the person who gets like the most or
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what's it the one who gets the most most news about them good or bad is normally the one who wins because they're the one
46:31
that's in the mind more so it's that I saw um what oh
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there's a a wonderful podcast um with Richard Osmond and uh Miranda hide I
46:43
think she's called uh called the rest is entertainment and um they talk about the
46:48
behind scenes of TV shows and the S the other Richard Osman is like the super tall guy that's on pointless and all
46:54
that kind of thing and he does his own game shows and books blah blah blah blah blah and they were talking about um the
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uh the conservative um message of let's get brexit done I
47:07
don't want to go into politics because well we I guess we already are we are
47:13
where it rise up to our thighs I don't want to be insulting but yes um no but
47:18
um they came up and and they they said you know they they came up with a with an
47:24
incredible strategy because they the they released like an image that
47:29
said let's get brexit done um that statement like I think we're all familiar with that statement if you live
47:36
in the UK you you probably heard it they shared it an image with that statement
47:41
on but the font was comic sanss ahus what happened was it's it's you
47:50
like to to a left leaning person or some or well for for anyone that didn't want
47:55
to vote for brexit or doesn't like the Tories they shared the hell out of that image cuz they were like look at these
48:00
idiots they posted it in comic Sands that's how serious they're taking this but the message got spread everywhere
48:07
and you know it's a genius message um let's get brexit done it's a Genus
48:13
message because ultimately it doesn't say how you're doing it or what the outcome of getting
48:18
it done will be yeah yeah it's just like let's do it yeah and and it went
48:24
everywhere so yeah like I think like yeah I mean I'm not going to tell people
48:29
what to do but oh no like I'm saying genius like I'm not saying agree or don't agree with the message I'm saying
48:37
that's good market like from a marketing point of view that guy needs a pay rise
48:42
sorry that guy oh good Lu no wait I used I used I used to work for Tech guys and we were
48:48
told back then that guys is actually it can ref guys guys
48:53
genu according to the marketing people the company who'd already decided on the
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name uh they were going with when we all said uh that's a bit sexist apparently it's it's completely acceptable when
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you've got a unit of custodies on the table to go I'm moving these guys forward six Ines oh fantastic there you
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go do that yeah what even Sheila even hair yeah yeah yeah even
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hair yeah maybe 4 [Music] Ines good God is this is this the one
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where we all get cancelled that's thumbnail it's just the one where we all get cancelled well I feel I feel like
49:33
hopefully I think we we've talked about it in in like a I mean we we're all I
49:39
think we're probably all in a place where we're like well the way they did it wasn't amazing but okay yeah I
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look I ultimately would like to see if any hobby feel that
49:57
whatever your standpoint is when you comeing and you glance across the table at it or you glance at whatever way this hobby is perceived you can go I'm cool
50:05
with that yeah what I'm looking at I'm cool with that you know and I think that
50:10
is you know how I think most things should be sort of perceived is that you
50:16
just go yeah that all looks great and that looks like something that potentially will interest me yeah you
50:22
know and it's like you know people some people will get upset like and and the irony with people some people got upset
50:29
because this is this the same people who like to do this got upset about there being a female protagonist in The
50:34
Fallout TV series right yes the irony of it is the irony of it is that for the
50:40
longest time with Fallout you've always been El to design your character at the beginning of the game to be whichever gender you preferred yeah my my
50:49
experience with with Fallout um I didn't really see much of the like trailers and
50:56
stuff coming up I think I the first thing I saw about a Fallout series
51:03
was um people complaining that there was going to be female female lead and that
51:09
it was more sort of appeasing you know ticking a box and and that sort of thing
51:16
um and I watched the trailer for it and I was like I don't know if that'll be
51:21
for me um I might watch an episode and I see what happens and I watch an episode and then I'd finished the series and
51:28
I've watched it twice like I love it I think it's brilliant and I think I think the all the characters in that are
51:35
fantastic um I think a lot of this is has happened sort of in a post Star Wars
51:42
prequel uh not prequel the sequel Trilogy and and Ray Skywalker and all
51:48
that kind of thing and I and you know I think a lot of that I don't dislike Ray
51:54
she's a woman I think that like the character is a bit na it hasn't been written very well I think I think the
51:59
second third film that the first one was like okay I like where this is going but the same could be said about Finn
52:05
because he wasn Finn is a crap character as well like CU he he gets Resort he essentially
52:13
chases Ray around and screams a name yeah yeah um like which is disappointing think they're just poorly written yeah
52:21
and Fallout I think was written really really well yeah yeah and I don't care
52:26
um of of you know what gender or sex anybody is in that I it doesn't matter I
52:32
think like that's one of the one of the things where like it comes back to what we were saying about this I think you're
52:39
right when it's handled well nobody cares and and Fallout for example was
52:44
handled well yes there was a female protagonist but when you look at that film when you look at that series
52:50
there's actually three leads isn't there there's there's there's elen Lucy
52:55
there's and there's Goin as gou so it's it's really it's not quite an ensemble but there's three lead characters but
53:02
you remember Ella Perell as the lead because she's who you start with the best who you start with the best written
53:09
I think the most enjoyable to watch out of the three I care more about her story well the other reason she's the easiest
53:16
for you to to associate with is because she's the audience yeah yeah she doesn't know what's outside there she doesn't
53:22
know what a ghoul is she does know the waters full of weird monsters we seen the world through her
53:27
the through her eyes and they most match your eyes because you don't Le you I know obviously if you're a big fan of
53:33
the video games but generally you going well I don't understand what's going on either I don't understand why her new
53:40
husband yeah is you know without people who haven't see but there's problems
53:45
with their new husband I don't understand why and she doesn't understand it so you're discovering the world at the same speed that she is and
53:51
so you you can't help but associate with there where with the ghoul is the completely opposite he been knocking
53:57
around in it for like 200 years so he knows it's no but you still you do still follow his story I don't want to spoil
54:03
it yeah because the G story is told as as flashback and that tells you a
54:09
different element of the story you do still get his from the point of view of of in fact more cuz he starts it but no
54:17
I I just think like I think she's the better written and it's it's to me it's when you handle it well that's what's
54:23
good and there are so many examples in history like the the one I was going to bring up as the opposite is there's a film with I forget her name Chloe Grace
54:30
morrettes she's in a film really really good starts with her in a cockpit of a ship talking to a load of guys and then
54:36
by the end of it she's this acrobatic back back uh uh you know back flipping
54:42
hero and and then there is a very nurturing moment at the end I know the
54:47
film and I don't want to spoil it but it falls as flat as the it falls as flat as the moment in end game where all the
54:53
girls go don't worry we'll help and then useless Captain Mar just flies through
54:59
everyone well we talk about this because um and this is you know with this is
55:05
probably one of the elements we haven't spoken about is too much is that do Fe do um do women players of 40K feel
55:15
sometimes that they're a bit overly pounded to and the great example of this is when we're talking about the end of
55:20
Avengers I remember being in the cinema and because when it comes to Marvel movies I I literally resort to having
55:29
just a couple of brain cells I Ally consume it and let it consume me yeah
55:36
you know I literally just amass myself in it and when all of the female
55:42
superheroes got together at exactly that point and there was a whole team of them who's if I remember rightly isn't their
55:48
job to help get Spider-Man across the line no it's so Captain Marvel flies in
55:54
and Peter hands are the gauntlet he goes how are you going to get through all that and then um uh the lady from Black
56:01
Panther comes in and goes don't worry she's got help and then all the girls get together and in the moment it's good
56:07
but the bit where it falls flat is none of those characters are needed because literally there's about a second and a
56:13
half of them fighting random things around Captain Marvel is so powerful that it it's kind of in character for
56:19
her at the moment to go I don't actually need any of your help and just Powers through everyone including d I remember
56:27
in I remember in the cinema doing a mental yeah yeah and when we came out
56:32
and I said to my wife what do you think of that and she went it was brilliant and she went I didn't need you to remind
56:38
me that there's lots of female superheroes all at once cuz I know they already are and you know she said and my wife said I never feel like that we're
56:45
massively under represented in Marvel I think we're represented quite well so you know I'm think there is you know
56:52
female players who'll go I don't need female custodes thanks you know so I think a whole it's a very complex issue
56:59
and But ultimately my last two points on it where games re shop should have for want
57:07
of a better ter maybe lubed the customers up what a great way to put it they lubed
57:15
them up and I'm going to say my very final words on it is if you're a
57:21
custodes player and you're really upset that you've got that there is female
57:26
custodes for the sake of being female custodes all the ones in your army
57:32
they're all women the ones with the helmets on you just don't know Cy that if before going on to like closing
57:39
thoughts on it what um if if the analogy what they should have done is is lube them up and they didn't what what would
57:45
your analogy be what did they do should we just not go there probably best to
57:51
that with regards to that yeah is have you got a sponsored segment there will
57:56
be but it would have happen they won't watch gamees Workshop just went in
58:02
dry not even yeah no no I'm not going there I you get can what's your final
58:08
thoughts on a them path um like I think so yeah we we were talking about aonsky
58:16
Bowen ages ago weren't we so he his name got mentioned it looks like someone screenshotted something from a Discord
58:22
or so he's the writer or something like that and he's he's written loads and loads of books um like the night Lords
58:29
Trilogy for example 40K he's the 40K thing tank basically yeah so he said um
58:38
yeah someone linked me a mention of my name in a female custodians Marine debate so I wanted to post to clear that
58:44
up uh this is where this conversation breaks down I don't want to address anything except what I publicly said so
58:50
please bear with me uh people assume tooo much about people's reasoning out there in the evil sides of the web uh
58:58
there is no law saying custodians are XY or Zed because until very recently there
59:03
was no custodian law at all uh that's why I'd be fine with female custodians
59:10
and the models would look badass anyone saying it breaks the law is lying Andor wrong because we were actually in the
59:17
meetings and sending the emails discussing the intervention of said law and there was literally nothing in the
59:23
Old Law that uh weighed comprehensively or at all either way I can think of
59:29
reasons it would make sense I can think of reasons it wouldn't but it's a very minor Point moving on so that's sort of
59:36
his statements on it really um like like mine like and I say this I don't want to
59:43
invalidate anybody's feelings if people are annoyed about it yeah oh I just cut to you guys because there's a dog in the
59:48
sh about what do you think B what's is the only female in the room I think
59:54
what's your opinion on it yeah my opinion on it is do custodi smell a
1:00:01
bacon only when you cook them yeah um you ready for a broke now off I think
1:00:08
you if people are annoyed I can get it I can fully accept that some people are annoyed by the situation and and sort of
1:00:15
How It's been presented to them um I can't get behind the kind of bringing
1:00:22
waiting in with a ton of other stuff and people say keep politics out the Hobby and it's
1:00:29
like but then by sort of doing that then maybe bringing it in more yeah um you
1:00:35
know I've got enough going on in my life at the minute I I couldn't give a
1:00:42
[ __ ] like that's that's my honest opinion you know like I I don't care
1:00:49
enough yeah um and if that makes me a soy boy tourist
1:00:56
fine like you know my dad died like last month like he had a four-year battle
1:01:01
with cancer I watched him degrade over all that time and like was there when he passed away and all that sort of stuff
1:01:07
and that's like pretty heavy [ __ ] and then someone's like oh my God this I'm
1:01:12
like fine yeah yeah you crack on like I I don't care in The Grand in the grand
1:01:18
scheme of things dot dot dot yes yeah exactly I think that's what I'm trying to say yeah like this is your hobby to
1:01:24
escape life yeah don't bring life real life stuff into my fun pew pew shooty
1:01:32
shooty oh well I think the the great thing about Warhammer is for lots of people like it's it's a variety of
1:01:39
different things if people use it as an escape from like real life great and I
1:01:44
can understand someone's frustration if they're like oh real life's coming into the hobby oh but this was my like safe
1:01:51
space or or something like that like I get it I think the sad thing is is that is that when people
1:01:57
complain that real life is coming into the Hobby and then they get angry about real life coming into the hobby will go
1:02:03
it's your hobby it's up to you to control that yeah don't just don't if you don't want real life in your hobby
1:02:10
don't winge about real life in your hobby and then it's not it's it's less it's less coming into your hobby isn't it you know I mean by complaining about
1:02:17
do don't engage when it does because when you're when you're when you're complaining about real life coming into your hobby you put your complaint out to
1:02:25
through social media that's real life they're real human beings on the yeah
1:02:30
and I I think yeah like like I say it's
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just it's it's a thing it's happened yeah it's I like I want to say been like
1:02:43
well it has been blown up it's so big it's transcended the thing Warhammer the
1:02:48
thing I would say that I think we need to needs to be sort of brought into some
1:02:54
consideration I don't and I've seen this across Twitter myself I do not for one
1:03:00
iota of a moment think Amon Amazon are involved in this but that seems to have
1:03:05
taken off on its own level Amazon are involved ins Not For a Moment do I believe
1:03:13
there's conspiracy theories about the CFO selling their stock because they're leaving a sinking ship yeah and I think
1:03:20
people are using that apparently they're just retiring yeah the lady's just retiring but people sort of shoehorning
1:03:27
that into the narrative and and like putting everything together and like kind of
1:03:32
like Q andon style I think a lot of this they'd get rid of a lot of this and I I don't think it's unfair actually is the
1:03:38
reason people are putting this together is because Games Workshop to me and I I
1:03:44
I would imagine to a lot of people don't communicate enough about what's going off no they don't do they they're very
1:03:49
closed they're very closed but they have but like we said earlier or I said earlier they have to be closed cuz if
1:03:54
they do something even if if they get it slightly wrong then explosion so we're kind of damned if we do damned if we
1:04:01
don't in this situation yeah so they can't tell us more I just I think in this Modern Age companies are succeeding
1:04:09
where they're just a lot more open and honest with their customer base and go hey guys uh we're looking to bring like
1:04:15
something some Forum where they can go hey guys we're looking to be a bit more
1:04:20
diverse going forward we are looking to bring in different races we're going to be looking to bring in uh more female
1:04:26
characters and and even beyond that with you know with with wider representation of of I don't know why we need sexuality
1:04:34
represented but but why not at the same time and put all that out there and just be straight with it and then go so
1:04:39
you're going to be seeing more of this what do you think okay fair enough but this this is our thing and just be real
1:04:44
with it as opposed to being um what's the word like I'm trying to say
1:04:51
this like you know this has always been the case
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stop being sist with and just be a bit straight and real cuz I feel I think
1:05:01
people maybe feel like workers gaslit them yeah in the way that they said oh but they've always been there do you
1:05:08
think it would be better if they' gone the other way around instead of going it's always been there with they gone what would what would have happened if
1:05:13
Games Workshop has sent they are there now yeah I think that would have been a lot that would have been a better way to
1:05:19
do that I think yeah yeah primaris which is let's be fair primaris was as you say
1:05:26
uh let's let's make true scales Space Marines which I've been making before but let's let's put some law behind it
1:05:32
and they went okay draw a line This s 40K now and we're going to move forward and I like that because correct me if
1:05:37
I'm wrong prior to that all the law that came out all the books was pretty much this has happened in the last 10,000
1:05:43
years at some point but the primar stuff was kind of the first of the the the
1:05:48
first big because I know they've done like their their their version um tweaks with like their their little mini packs
1:05:54
but this was the first we're going to move forward with Warhammer and we're going we're going to develop forward
1:05:59
well I think a lot of it was was it was when Gilman's awake yeah this is the the
1:06:05
the next age of the Imperium For Better or For Worse you know and I think and this probably would have fit in better
1:06:12
with that yeah so yeah maybe yeah should we let let's get Warhammer
1:06:19
done in comic sounds in comic SS yeah um
1:06:24
oh but yeah I'm I'm listening to uh I just want to see when it came out okay
1:06:30
2021 while you're looking for that I'm going to ask like so I said earlier I've only read space Wolf yes and I tried the
1:06:37
Horus heresy and it's just it's too much hello brother hello how they're going to
1:06:42
do that as a TV series I've tried eyes and Horn I've struggled so if anyone has if anyone has out there got any good
1:06:48
book recommendations I do read the comments on your channel so um cuz I'm
1:06:53
cuz I'm a massive narcissist um so can you um do me a favor just drop in the
1:06:59
comments what are good books so I can get some suggestions yeah I I I really
1:07:04
like kyus Kane um he's they're really fun books um the the night lws tril is
1:07:11
really good I do like night Lords like I've always like the faction so they're
1:07:17
the bad vampire space warriors aren't they yes well the great thing about them was the fact that even when they were
1:07:22
good guys they were horrible okay I see yeah they literally haven't changed fa
1:07:28
chos has happened around them right yeah um I'm trying to think I've I've
1:07:33
downloaded the Ravena series but I haven't listened to it yet um there's some some of the crime stuff is good um
1:07:43
GA ghosts yeah gaun ghosts are decent flesh and steel you have to get me a list I've got I've got like unused
1:07:49
credits on my audible account so going through Red Rising again at the moment that's good if you've not read it I
1:07:55
quite like the um uh the kind of custodes sort of series by Chris Wright you got the
1:08:01
emperor Legion and the region Shadow they're good are there any female codas in it no no so like it's yeah exactly
1:08:09
and and I think and again that's one of the reasons why people are pissed off because in the books it's all my brothers and this that the other and um
1:08:18
like I say Games Workshop can be technically correct when they can say well they've always existed and they
1:08:23
technically could have done like yeah cool yeah but where we've talked about it at
1:08:30
at fling the dead o now aren't we already been flogged to death I think
1:08:35
that this show like as I saying as we started like this this dust is almost settled and the day we come along go
1:08:40
look at that dead o let's kick it a bit more nobody takes any notice of what we say yeah I think I think it's been it's
1:08:47
it's it's been a very interesting discussion and I like I think hopefully like we said hey these people that said
1:08:53
bad things are bad but also so yeah we can appreciate that lots of people are annoyed yeah yeah I think maybe
1:09:01
something like that but we'll turn we'll return to uh this Pain's great uh next
1:09:07
week I think yeah I just hope the message gets back to just just do it
1:09:12
better next time guys like just when you're doing a big thing like this don't you horn it they there's no reason why
1:09:19
they have to they could have just ignored it they could have ignored it and then and then got ah and spent I don't know one more day one more day on
1:09:26
it to go how do we deliver this cuz cuz I think I as but yeah I I guess I'd be the first
1:09:32
to put my hand up and say I didn't like I I wasn't waking up in the morning and
1:09:38
going there should be female custodes like I don't I don't think that that
1:09:43
necessarily crossed my mind there are now and I'm like okay fine um but I I I
1:09:51
I wasn't like banging on Games Workshop door saying I want female C or I want
1:09:56
female Space Marines like he's doing it again isn't yeah he can't help himself I tried not to I tried not to I was trying
1:10:03
to ignore it to be too f with you this week's meme competition is that scene you've just watched I'm not doing it I'm
1:10:09
to me oh wait I yeah we need it for the thumbnail all
1:10:15
right [ __ ] it hell go on Jeff no you do both I do both last time and I'm not do
1:10:23
both or a singular this time there's your thumbnail you sat one side in the other side me in the middle just going
1:10:28
yeah yeah yeah no with with my soy boy face that's what that is doing the down
1:10:34
doing the downhill race there so yeah but yeah if you're offend I guess that's it isn't it if you're offended and you're upset fine you're allowed to be
1:10:41
but boycott responsibly yeah yeah and and yeah I
1:10:48
mean let us know what you think in the comments I guess or just don't boycott just get on with enjoying your hobby
1:10:54
yeah I'm not wor just don't worry about do whatever the [ __ ] you want as long as it's nice yeah I want to say I'm not
1:11:01
encouraging a boy car I've mentioned it a few times I'm just saying if if you are a person who has decided see coming
1:11:09
off that Creator program yeah no I'm not saying do that I'm not no like either be
1:11:14
in Warhammer and enjoy it but if you have decided right enough's enough this is it for me don't be a dick about it
1:11:20
just go yeah just go and go and find something you enjoy cuz you just feel you're angering yourself more yeah so I
1:11:27
was briefly going to talk about uh so brutal cunning orc book uh they're attacking a forge world and it
1:11:34
flip-flops from the perspective of the Orcs to the uh like some skari and and
1:11:40
the admech and stuff like that and it's interesting in in the admech uh sort of
1:11:46
thing um some are referred to as he and she but there's one that's kind of like fighting on the front lines and they
1:11:52
have gender neutral pronouns it's like they them is how they're always referred to I'm like like they were like oh I got
1:12:00
hit with a big knife in like one of my one remaining fleshy bits and it's like yeah if you're old robot like yeah yeah
1:12:07
yeah you and jender have launched things SP way yeah it doesn't matter yeah my
1:12:12
wife's wished for a long time I was part robot yeah there we go so yeah I don't I don't
1:12:21
know we talked about a bunch I don't know if we've achieved anything no you know it's now for on of you know for
1:12:28
those that are interested our opinion on the matter is now out there yeah yeah
1:12:33
and I think mine is is a solid yeah I think that's all of us
1:12:38
isn't it I'm like show me pretty models if if that's all I care about all right fine if you're upset about it because of
1:12:45
law or you're upset about it from the point of view of the models fine but
1:12:51
just try not to be upset about it from the point of view that it's purely just because it's women yeah
1:12:56
yeah yeah all your other points are valid but just for the idea of going well women then you go well you know you
1:13:03
may be having need to have a bit of a think about stuff Beyond 40K if that's your complaint Point yeah there are
1:13:09
there are bigger there are bigger problems aren't there oh oh there was one screenshot um oh it was one of the
1:13:15
first ones that I took maybe we can end on this go them there's a
1:13:21
reason why why not why not to hate on it because yeah no no oh no no we won't get
1:13:27
off that lately it's a comment on a Facebook thing that I saw my opinion is law wise
1:13:34
the adept's custodies of the emperor personal bodyguard I think that's uh just fact though isn't it genetically
1:13:40
and mentally prepared better than the Space Marines add females and suddenly
1:13:45
maybe don't need their bits brackets implants grown in a lab suddenly they H
1:13:52
they have the possibility of breeding and having the distraction of possible
1:13:57
hormones all the emotions they aren't supposed to have and deal with suddenly
1:14:02
become a thing and your ladies would be distracting to those on a bound to
1:14:08
protect it's a lot of stuff for something that has been pretty simple since the start fluffwise
1:14:15
anyway cool models sure okay fluff is a big part of Warhammer but that's
1:14:20
nonsense because it's nonsense because if they've been genetically advanced enough to if they're genetically
1:14:27
improved for that job any sexual desire will have been ironed out of them yeah
1:14:34
and any sexual desire will be ironed out of the female custodies as well yeah so
1:14:39
you know it has no bear they're not going to suddenly go oh pheromones oh
1:14:45
dingdong you know what I mean they're not they're not going going to go cuz it'll be so much removed from them it's
1:14:51
the same with Space Marines Space Marines don't have yeah any any sexual desires because it's just been
1:14:57
completely removed from them and the custodians would be the same be they male be they female yeah like my and who
1:15:03
knows if you're making female custodies maybe the space that you use for reproductive organs extra things need to
1:15:09
go in there like more guns more guns well I mean you know your extra
1:15:16
heart your extra heart liver lungs whatever else the things You' got going on I don't know my yeah I think my I'm
1:15:22
not a 41st 41st Century surgeon I don't know what no exactly I mean my my
1:15:28
interpretation of of the Imperium of man is it's Humanity hating everything that
1:15:36
isn't Humanity yeah whereas in the real life the real life like humans a hate
1:15:44
other humans um so there's I think there's a meme um with uh uh like death
1:15:51
call of c and it's like a bit tongue and but also kind of sums up that opinion
1:15:57
and it's like um that he says uh the only pronouns we use here a gender
1:16:03
neutral it's not he or she it's Canon fodder and Expendable fair enough and and and
1:16:10
that's kind of like it's it's the humans versus everybody else yeah and that's
1:16:16
you're right the problem we have as in our in the real world is we have nothing else to hate but each other yeah and in
1:16:21
the 41st Century they've got so many other things to hate yeah which is why if you think of you know for those that
1:16:27
have read it the comic book ending of of Watchman is the whole idea is the
1:16:32
invention is the invention of a big fake alien squid-like monster and a psychic
1:16:38
blast that kills X amounts of people for the idea to try and get America and Russia away from being very much on the
1:16:45
brink of nuclear war because you give them an alien to fear and an alien to hate yeah and you know and and that's
1:16:52
the problem being is isn't it is I think that you know we're all in the real world you know even more so than you
1:16:58
know at one point in time it was just people hated each other based on R race and religion but at the moment we've got
1:17:04
a whole culture war on as well and sadly it's permeated through to all little toy
1:17:10
soldiers the follow on from that is Independence Day Resurgence which is a
1:17:15
terrible film never seen don't don't the first one's just leave it at that yeah I
1:17:22
think the only thing I wanted to add is in direct response to that comment you
1:17:27
read out and I was waiting to to say it um is I'm going to preach what or I'm going to do what I preach and just I'm
1:17:34
not going to comment like there's no response to that yeah that's shut up
1:17:40
yeah yeah you may be overthinking it yeah yeah yeah there we go there we go
1:17:48
yeah so slightly slightly more serious than normal I guess um but yeah what a
1:17:53
what a time to be in the hobby oh yeah yeah yeah it's it's mental right so next
1:17:58
things to look forward to are we've got so let's talk about how expensive [ __ ] crw are there's the story yeah I
1:18:05
forgot about that yeah yeah but they quickly push on that thank you Games Workshop for giving us uh a New Codex
1:18:13
and the whole New Codex is going to have this whole thing it's got this whole thing about playing crout on their own I
1:18:19
think that's a marvous marvelous idea all of the new crew Miniatures are absolutely lovely love them all or 3250
1:18:27
for 10 crew carnivores when they used to be 27 for 20 it's a bit naughty five dogs for 25
1:18:36
quid five quid a dog five quid a dog that's oh boy do you like dags no I do
1:18:43
like dags but I don't like them that much yeah that's that that should be their advertising do you like dags and then just a picture of the cro box but
1:18:49
no on it that but I think you know for you want to go for you to we want to be
1:18:55
able to encourage you to play a whole Army of this for what is an army that's not probably going to do that great cuz
1:19:01
it hasn't got guns big enough to kill much in the way of Tanks or large monsters I think charging that much
1:19:08
money for carnivores uh on a smaller box it's it's a bit and dog five dogs for 25
1:19:16
quid so if you want a 10 dog unit that can't do a does some interesting stuff
1:19:22
on the board 50 notes for 10 dogs dogs 50 notes for 10 dogs if you were
1:19:27
selling that box on the Shelf 50 notes for 10 dogs wouldn't many people be picking it up would they I mean when I
1:19:33
was growing up I got a real dog for free yeah and then and then one one cost me
1:19:40
£10 what do you mean two Cru hounds so I got two dogs two real life
1:19:47
dogs that I loved for the price of for 10 quid for two yeah that's what we need
1:19:52
to be pissed off about yeah but inflation and everything you know so but get it the prices are going up i s you
1:19:59
know when they released the dark angel light I've I've been a bit I think since they did the the jump pack Marines and
1:20:05
the new Scout the the thingy launcher guys with the big oh desol Mar desolation kind I was a bit yeah I was
1:20:12
like a little bit uh I didn't mind the Nerf blasters they were fine but I was a bit disenfranchised by it and then when
1:20:18
they brought out the Dark Angels and I'm like finally they're doing it they're going back to faction specific models
1:20:25
because the upgrade sprs the Templars are a bit rubbish I'm like yeah they're finally
1:20:30
doing it but again the old I don't know how much the new box of Terminators is but the old box of 3750 is it no that's
1:20:37
I don't think that's a bad they are they 3750 it may even be 40 I think they might I think they might be near might
1:20:43
yeah so the the old one you the old Dark Angels box you would be able to make uh
1:20:50
Deathwing Knights Deathwing Terminators and there was like another variety that
1:20:55
I can't remember off the top of my head yeah £40 um and that I think that was 3250 or 35 in this one you've basically
1:21:02
like you can't make Deathwing Terminators out the box CU it's only the Knight so you've got less variety for
1:21:09
more money and yeah the models are new sculpt and a little bit bigger so it's just kind of like I love what you've
1:21:15
done I love that you're going that way but the best thing about that Terminator box the original one was once you'd
1:21:21
built whatever Squad you wanted you had so much stuff left for your bits box that I ended up using to convert my
1:21:27
blade Guard from indomitus and you just don't get that value anymore and those little extras like they couldn't even
1:21:33
put a bottom in the rogal dawn T don't start out that I'm going to give
1:21:39
you an interesting statistic if you play crout as the Detachment it allows your crew
1:21:46
carnivores to become battle line which means you can take six different you can take six squads of
1:21:53
them right and they can be 10 or 20 man per group
1:22:00
so if you decide to play your cruit carnivores your rank and file to their
1:22:06
maximum it's £390 before you buy anything
1:22:12
else BL he have if you take six squads of 20 man
1:22:18
carnivores they are 390 quid before you spent a penny on anything else
1:22:25
and if we're being truthful about it they really could do with the flesh shaper and uh a war shaper in three
1:22:34
which Maximum you be allows taking three of them units and they're roughly 21 22 quid each now I tried to follow that but
1:22:42
I don't get the game but yeah that sounds like sounds like too much money
1:22:48
three out of six of them units can have two characters in in in yeah so go from
1:22:53
a temp 20 man squad to a 22 man squad and those two characters are both around the 22 quid but if I'm understand that
1:23:00
right that right like 390 like would you run an army like that for 400 quid let's say 400 quid cuz it's an easy well well
1:23:06
400 that that wouldn't even you wouldn't that wouldn't be enough money to be able to run an army because you still need a HQ choice right okay so yeah so for the
1:23:15
so it's a hard I mean there are ways to get into it like they've got their starter boxers like they've got them games out the problem the problem you've
1:23:22
got the problem you've got with the cruise is that now that the Codex is out
1:23:27
and if you look through the Codex and it has every codex now has a section saying combat Patrol when you open it it's only
1:23:35
to right so none of it's the crew so none of it's the crew so this new little box and if he if you think about getting
1:23:41
into crud and you haven't yet if you can still find one of them um uh Cru Hunting
1:23:47
Party boxes grab it while you can because as the price has now been shown
1:23:53
to do it's going to be really really expensive to do it any other way and the problem being is you can't then lean back and go it's all right I wait for
1:23:59
their combat Patrol box to come out because it's just to yeah I what I'm hoping on because games works up to be
1:24:05
fair have been quite good with this is that crew get a white dwarf yeah combat
1:24:12
Patrol list which they've done now for a few armies which and they've been quite cool as ones that they've done so hopefully they'll get that but I think
1:24:21
is a is a combat and again forgive me I don't get it but there might be people out there watching who don't get it and this could be a good question so is a
1:24:28
combat Patrol not something you can build yourself like a necromunda squad or maybe that Chang no combat Patrol
1:24:34
when you now the way combat Patrol now works is what's in that box is now meant to represent a balanced fighting force
1:24:42
but it's a defined list it's not you can build you can't go oh I'm going to build an army with with a HQ or build in the
1:24:49
those points you build in the box and the idea is meant to be that they're all roughly balanced against each other not
1:24:54
made one yet for but they haven't made one for cre because it's now shown by the codecs that the the one for the
1:25:00
combat Patrol for the to codex itself is only made up a to right they changed the
1:25:07
combat patrols recently haven't they which is like they pretty much like added a modeling and up the price a bit
1:25:12
Yeah they used to be start collecting and then they com Patrol box so C may
1:25:18
get one through white dwarf that would be which was what I I hope happens but um we don't know and we don't know i'
1:25:25
like to say I I generally try not to winge about prices of things because you know I always think I just equate
1:25:30
everything to the price of a Cinema ticket right you know what I mean two hours of me life 11 quid 111 12 quid and
1:25:37
once you've watched it you've consumed it that's that but you know but I just think to go from 20 to 10 and then to
1:25:45
take the price up by 10 by 5 oh is it 55 yeah I think they were 27 I can't now
1:25:51
find the price CU they're not on the site anymore but I think they were 27 P for 20 and then now 32 P for for 10 I
1:25:58
think if we can expect anything to happen consistently is that the we will continue to see and I hope we don't but
1:26:05
we'll continue to see the value of the product go down as the price goes up
1:26:10
that but that's the nature of everything isn't it yeah like don't don't get me started on boxes of uh chocolate and uh
1:26:18
like Christmas is it shrink flation I think you get less talk about size of
1:26:23
wagon wheels next oh yes don't tell me they've got smaller don't tell me they've got smaller I think we've all
1:26:30
collectively just gotten bigger and they feel smaller adult hands um but yeah
1:26:36
it's it's happening everywhere it's an unfortunate sort of thing is tell me tell me anywhere like any franchise
1:26:41
anywhere where the price has gone down and the value's got bigger yeah pass
1:26:46
yeah yeah nothing I've been paying attention to not really the cases but um
1:26:52
yeah so I'm just that's more like a public Service Announcement if you think about getting into Cru if your shop
1:26:57
where whatever shop it may be still has a Hunting Party On The Shelf buy because
1:27:02
now that the prices have been released on on yeah the prices have now been shown on pre-release um sell the Codex
1:27:09
on eBay as well get yeah and then if you buy if you buy more than one of them boxes yeah you can shift your codex on eBay yeah so there you go and that's
1:27:17
that's that so I finished on a little bit of a down or of a wing of prices I'm sorry say this proper okay we need can
1:27:25
we pick this up yeah yeah I just want to like I want to go I want to go and watch
1:27:31
a Disney movie now just to feel happier we got you in just we got you in just especially to put you on our complete
1:27:37
Downer yeah yeah but no it's hope hopefully like we've I think the thing is we've got through this now look
1:27:43
forward to what's the next new thing what's the next new exciting thing that we think is coming out that's always fun
1:27:49
to look forward I think uh the one I'd like it to see be enough for me cuz I don't collect or play them but I'd like
1:27:55
it to see is I think we're going to looks like we might get full plastic three garment yeah which Grace to do
1:28:02
that would be interesting um I quite like I like the idea because it's
1:28:07
rumored that blood angels are coming up next sex oh there's one I'd love to see
1:28:13
like the new Terminators blood Angeli or the sanguinary we know that all cuz we know that obviously uh Games Workshop
1:28:20
watch all of these videos that we put out oh yeah of course can we have cuz I I'd like to maybe move on and work it
1:28:25
into a list can this is how it works we yeah we just beg um can we have can we have our ter can we have our salt
1:28:31
Terminators please they that's taken a little bit of a while oh yes assault
1:28:36
Terminator close combat comat storm hammers Storm Shield power yeah you want
1:28:43
to get them claws out now because Deadpool versus I've watched that trailer quite a
1:28:49
lot I tell you what I'm excited about [ __ ] Marvel again there we go Yeah
1:28:54
Yeah well yeah only that though yeah yeah literally only that like I haven't
1:29:00
I haven't been excited for a Marvel film um like since like Infinity war and and
1:29:06
endgame like that's kind of the conclusion of that and I started watching some of the TV series and and
1:29:11
like Falcon Winter Soldier I was just like n and it's slowly just my interest
1:29:16
is I think my favorite post if we are doing this my favorite post um my
1:29:22
favorite post um endgame movie is I think uh I think the last Spider-Man was really good agreed yeah yeah I think
1:29:27
well that was the one after so that to me was the epilog I I see that as the
1:29:33
epilogue to the infinity Saga well it's the one one after after that isn't it
1:29:38
there isn't one after after that yeah because the first Spider-Man oh there is yes that's post that's post Avengers
1:29:45
yeah Spider-Man 2 is post Avengers and three is the follow on so Post Yeah so those two I guess I forgot about that I
1:29:51
thought both they were both pretty good yeah but other than them yeah this this one yeah I've watched that trailer like
1:29:57
I when my wife came home I was like come here and we went watch this and she was like oh that's good what good it's
1:30:04
amazing oh my God they just talk out for 10 minutes good calm down now yes and I
1:30:09
I think cuz that's like it's a bit silly but then you've got Wolverine in like
1:30:15
you know the yellow spandex which in the first X obvious mentioned like what would you prefer yellow Spandex and then
1:30:22
like like ran reynolds's Deadpool is brilliant and him going like oh we've got this we got this we've got this
1:30:29
let's [ __ ] go and then to Hugh Jackman just really angry let's [ __ ] go and you're like and then collectively
1:30:35
the entire audience in the entire world went let's [ __ ] go like yeah
1:30:41
brilliant so there you go there you go Games Workshop get your claws out for for claws out for deadpol out yeah get
1:30:49
the CL out for Terminators cuz I'd like to have them now if you don't mind been a little while get Warhammer done
1:30:56
like get Warhammer done get Warhammer done move on do do the next one yeah no
1:31:02
I want to see I'm I'm with you because I don't think blood angels ever got as much love as Dark Angels and blood and
1:31:08
uh Space Wolves in in the older models so I would like to see and not just Terminators I'd like to see like your
1:31:15
primaris Marines getting more specific flavor black Templars have I I think
1:31:22
every Marine faction needs to be black Templar ified exactly yeah I I wholeheartedly get on boards
1:31:29
with that yeah so I think we've done I think we've covered everything haven't we yeah I think we we we've probably
1:31:34
tried to end this about three times yeah how long have we dead hes Ked uh hour
1:31:40
and a half oh that's that's about all normal normal sort of felt longer though
1:31:45
it really did I think there was a lot of nervous at the beginning like how do we
1:31:51
how do we say this without getting getting you cancelled me cancelled like
1:31:56
your Barber Shop burnt down yeah yeah which you can find
1:32:02
that oh no it's it's a weird one isn't it like what whatever's going on well we
1:32:09
know what's going on I guess but like yeah what
1:32:18
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