Are We Spoiled Collecting Space Marines?

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hello my name is Jeff you're watching the painting phase after dark on XV88 FM
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every time I just feel Yeah feel I feel amazing you want to get a Holix and just like Yeah so who are you let's go with
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you first unknown unknown warrior i got a new 3D printer really did you yeah guess
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what I've been printing uh I don't know weapons and helmets really is that what
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you've been doing yeah i'm here to rip and tear today so literally three like I'm a massive Doom fan yes three i'm
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going to take this off because I'm worried it's echoing on the thing the fact that you're surely in this weather you'll pass out the problem is
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everyone's now going to g It's him and um who was that known yeah as as we
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record this I think we're 3 days away from Doom the Dark Angels dark Angels doom the be an expansion can you imagine
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the Dark Ages release and everyone's been very oh it's it's very different to
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thinking I won't like it i don't care it's Doom it the last two have been great i trust this one will be amazing
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and also and Patrick yeah I I'm here which is fine who cares like we always
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drag it out and then we eventually get to you yeah yeah exactly i'm the least um I just worry about him you're my
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favorite without you none of this would exist i I feel I don't know where I've been i
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I didn't even know there was a new Doom game coming out yeah i I just pop culture at work you've
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been at work yeah I guess so well do you know I haven't even been at work today and I've had like the busiest day ever
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oh bless you honestly I've been like a dog with two dicks today i've been busy honestly really i It's been so long
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since I've heard that honestly today you ready dropped me son
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off at school early cuz he's doing his sats then to cut my elderly next door neighbor's hair brought her with me to
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the barber shop dropped me son off cut her hair dropped her at sainsburries took the dog to park took the dog to vet
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for a checkup come home got changed went to a funeral went for a haircut came
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back collected me son from school did the big shop came home cooked tea came here what a day off that's intense oh
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honestly this is the longest I've sat down honestly it's madness absolutely madness to be fair you have been sat
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there for 3 hours i know yeah so I'm gonna have to excuse myself for a sec cuz uh don't worry keep talking um but I
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have also It's been warm today which is rare in the UK um and I've just took that off cleaned my glasses cuz there
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was a mark on there and and rubbed it on my sweaty shirt so now I can't see so I'm going to disappear okay really
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well this is You know what's going to happen now he's going to come in another massively big bonkers helmet i am
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what are you trying to find oh there might be one on my desk somewhere okay should we just carry on fine so then
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guns yes in the words of Clarence Bodaca from Robocop guns guns guns
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great line there but uh I need to watch Robocop ross has been Ross has been busy haven't you
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making making new shooters i have yeah see I'm I'm I'm an all IP infringing
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um was it IP infringement i'm an equal rights IP infringer so you know I'm
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going with Bethesda for Doom technically it's a space marine technically yes it's a marine that goes
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to space there is that um but yeah also uh weapons we talked about these last
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weeks the tow ones so we've got the Now bear in mind Jeff that falls apart yeah I I'm not going to lift any of them up
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other than other than the already new favorite shooter to be in this there we go so yeah you've got this assault pistol which is Yeah what is this you
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know uh that's a pulse rifle there we go pulse rifle is it a pulse rifle i think that's a pulse rifle carbine whatever
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it's a way grenade it's heretical filth is what it is yeah that's true
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apart but I just wanted to bring it to give you an idea of the size of this thing ross your weapon's huge thank you
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thank you it's not the first time I've heard that um but it does fall to me last time I heard the first time you made it from my man
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well true last time I heard it was from my wife and it was followed with get it out of the [ __ ]
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house i've had enough of this [ __ ] but yeah can we get a we Yes you'll be
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slightly out of that so just when when people say "Uh can you put your cameras
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on manual focus?" This is why sometimes I don't um because Ross moves around
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quite a lot you wouldn't think I was this active and be this size
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i mean you are on wheels you have like a [ __ ] version of Magneto
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and this not Magneto Charles Xavier and this one which is just lovely that is
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lovely isn't it like these are free as well these are free models you can download do you think Do you think that
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guy made them free cuz do you think he got the heads up about I don't know we said this last week like I don't know if
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he suddenly got the heads up because they've workshop at the time of
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recording have sort of put a big thing out or something see I don't know what it is and this is I want the answer on
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this like and I I think GW are going to be quite rightly vague because if everyone knows the answer then they'll
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know how to skirt the rules but like when it comes to IP infringement like
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I'm not seeing anyone dive on a lot of things on the internet that are like well that's clearly a ripoff of that
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like there's a whole like and again I've mentioned this before Mes fantastic guy
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he does the dredge marines and the orcs they are plague marines they are like
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there's even a Mortarian one there's one yeah like an equivalent mortar it looks
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amazing as well it's all he's done it in his own completely his own flavor and style it's like it doesn't take any of
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the iconography or anything like that but they're different enough but what is different enough yeah blum
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and Station Forge and their death corre which are like dangerously close yes really really close you know i mean I I
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guess and they are designed death um station forge have designed their line that it covers every data sheet for Yeah
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no everything that you you know they even do like for those people who get really upset about it they do male
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sisters of battle oh you know for people who are misters of battle misters of
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battle misters of battle cuz I mean it's I I would argue that it's okay that we
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don't know because really intelligent highly paid lawyers argue it out and that's their job
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true bor it is what it is it's just it's one of those things where like I I I
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obviously have a fondness for 3D printing i have a fondness for Warhammer and piracy and and and less of a fond
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not given a damn but at the end of the day like you know we're in Nottingham we I think we've all got mates who work at
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Warhammer yes like I I don't want to see Fair Point you've got us we don't work at Warhammer i have acquaintances that
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work at Warhammer they can't know that we're actually friends he'll get fired point yeah point yeah we can't say who
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but no we've we've got friends but it's like I don't want those guys getting
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[ __ ] on especially the creative side who are designing these like I don't like that their work is kind of getting
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pilered but at the same time I I can't not say I don't love not like I [ __ ]
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love those drench marines they're amazing yeah they're great yeah I uh I have some MezGike um Orcs and I forget
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the name of the GW model that I believe inspired it but it's I think it was one
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the older combat patrol with the the death copters in um and he's got a Grot
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he's he's in like power armor he's got on the top with a gun oh funny enough and those who don't know um which I'm
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going to have to pull me finger out and put an order in for my little boy the uh Hashe magazine oh yes issue 41
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which will be out in June has that miniature in it for a tenner oh wow bearing in mind he's about 20 something
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quid that's less than less than half price and you get a free magazine and you get a free magazine nobody reads
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those magazines if you need to put something in the bottom of your budgie cage you're laughing if you are out there and you
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buy it and you read the magazine please let us know in the comments i think I've read one and that's because I couldn't
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figure out how to put a model together so I went to the I mean apart from instructions what's actually in those no
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idea i've bit of flavor um sometimes bit of flavor a little bit of ideas of how to use them
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in combat if I remember rightly i think I looked through the one I think I looked through the one that came with
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the Terminator and Space Marine armor which was the one from Leviathan and I think it gives you a little like
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some basic tactic ideas and some painting instructions but only for obviously painting as SM but it it like
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the painting is like with the paints you've got up to that point as well so like you'll get three colors to start
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off your ultramarine everything you need yeah so it's like remember two issues ago when you had that blue paint [ __ ]
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bin it and buy this one yeah but it's it's I have read through a few it is
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it's a bit of fluff it's after I think issue three no issue one's got like how to basically battle your two character
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things in there yeah cuz it's um him verse it's captain versus hive tyrants yeah it is yeah and then as it goes
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through it's like as you build your force it in it brings you more into like
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using them in battle and more scenarios and stuff and that sort of thing for the gaming side so it's pretty good but I
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think everyone just buys it for the thing i'm glad issue 40 is coming out soon um cuz I need I actually need to do
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an update on my website that's got all the contents of issue 40 to 60 issue 40
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no idea cuz I haven't asked for the email yet but um but no they they so hash so they send me the issues 20 at a
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time and then I put it on the website that says this is what's coming but it's all been leaked by Spain again so last I
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didn't realize last time so I did the updates for issue 20 to 40 uh or 21 to 40 and then someone went did you realize
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this has been released by Spain i was like no so that by by the country of Spain the whole country was involved in
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it the when they do the Spanish release there's a there's a um one of their like
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resellers is aware of like the entire run and then just goes "This is what's coming in every issue." So they reveal
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it so it's only partially a shock because when it first came out they showed you a photograph of everything that was going to be anyway it's all I
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know what's coming it's just when it's just the order that you care about it's it's the order cuz the thing is like you
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can order them from Forbidden Planet or your local shop so those high value issues just disappear so as soon as
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everyone knows what's coming you can't get those on Forbidden Planet or wherever anymore but uh Okay so that
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makes sense yeah I think the only thing people don't know at this point I mean there is a it's not confirmed it could
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change it hasn't changed but the only thing we don't know is what paints you get and who who cares no one's buying
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those issues they want the cheap models yes exactly yes right what are we doing today we've got We've done weapon of the
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week we've done weapon of the week we've done helmet helmet of the month um right
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I'm going to go in with It's not very often I do this but I had um there was a
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direct reply to one of you know that a fact that you know I'm like Grandpa Simpson you know man shouts at clouds
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yeah I do that a lot man shouts at gray plastic clouds um and somebody pulled me
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up on it and I think he was right but also I gave a reply and but it led me to
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a greater little bit of meandering through me own brain about whether where do we lie with this sort
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of thing and so it was a lovely chap called Winker Winkful and he said big
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fan of Jeff and he said but he needs to get some perspective on the assault
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terminators how many releases do marine players need to be happy more yeah more
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i replied "Thanks for enjoying my dil i just think if you've created a new size chassis for which which is what they
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have for once of a better term and they have a few flavors I think you should get them out there because no one wants
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to mix two different sizes it's not really a desire to have lots of stuff more just a coherent army really." Yeah
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I agree but as somebody who proxy collects
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Marines through my elder son of course yeah yeah um are we a bit greedy a bit spoiled a
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bit entitled all of us who love Space Marines are we always on a desire thinking we should have more than
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everybody else or have we got spoiled because they are already the biggest
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seller and Games Workshop keeps us fed because they know what sells the best yes we should have more classic what
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came first the chicken on Space Marine yeah but um Yeah yeah what's What's cuz I cuz
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Marines Marines have been around for a very long time haven't they and and they are incredibly popular so
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did did they push Space Marines or was the fans purchasing Space Marines what
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then created Warhammer to push more Space Marines cuz don't get me wrong I think that when you look at the other
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armies cuz you know we've done this you know if this rumor turns out to be true that Space Marines are getting a second
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co another second run of a codeex before we get to 11th edition yeah if that turns out to be correct
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um this isn't the first time this has happened where they've had two marine codeexes in an addition where nobody
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else you know god some some blumin armies looking at like ninth edition uh Imperial Guard barely got a Blumin
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codeex before they ran out of uh before they ran out of that edition and I
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think and I was thinking to myself I thought is Winka Winkful correct am I
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just moaning because I feel like I'm entitled to have more and more stuff and if I'm being honest I don't think I am i
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think what I said there is what I hold true to is if you change something I
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think you should make a fundamental attempt to to upgrade everything to that
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thing cuz especially I often like to sit back and think of it if I was a new
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player and I managed to get the new Terminators and then I'd started to
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slowly put my codeex together and then I thought you know what with claws and a shield and a hammer and things like that
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that sounds all really good and then went out bought them not knowing enough come home found out that there was about
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a foot and a half height difference between them and you know about a foot and a half width difference between them
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i think I would be feeling a little bit hard done by is there that much difference in the like when Yeah there's
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a fair between Terminators yeah there's a fair chunk of I I didn't see there was a size much of a like new ones is there
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to hold one against the other without sounding awful mate yeah they are there's a good old chunk of Yeah so primaris marines are bigger than old
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school terminators that's clear like I think that was a lot for a lot of time before that people were using
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terminators and cutting them down to make true scale space marines because
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they were never quite that much taller than say guard in the game i don't think
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it helps with the um the sculpting like they're all sort of bent at the knees
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yeah they're quite hunched aren't they and these new ones are a little bit more upright and but to be fair to them with
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the Primaris range I the other day I put them all out and looked and there was I looked at um I looked at Scouts
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Phobos Marine uh Intercessor size marine whatever you call that one and then I
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looked at um aby 10 armor wouldn't it and then I looked at Gravis and then I put a Terminator and the scaling is
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actually bang on for the idea of them just getting slowly bigger with the bulk of the armor but I think like I I don't
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want of course I want more and more stuff everyone wants new more and interesting models i'm quite happy to not get any more but I do think it
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sometimes feels a little bit like codeexes are are made with somebody with attention deficit disorder they go "It's
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this." And then they go "Oh we can't but we can't be bothered getting round to it." You know what I mean it's like "Oh we want to make that." Oh but look at
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them you know and and it's a bit And I'm just like just finish your range do you
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know what I mean that can be said for every single release we've had you're absolutely right you're absolutely right
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there you go that's why I like episode's over this is why I like you more than my wife but I just think if you go these
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are now that size and we're going on a run of Marines yeah you should tick all
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your boxes before you know before you move on to other things like I think to myself you shouldn't been in
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my you know self-righteousness you go I don't think you should have been showing me Blum and drop pods i want you to be
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showing me a salt terminator for the love of God finish your codeex
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finish your codeex if it's got a bloody data slate make the soding miniature and
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then start fluffing new miniature going well and now these now the drop pods are
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different but we'll get to that in another you know go a bloody god finish you range let's say you're James
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Workshop right now who as we all know is the guy he's a real person isn't it kevin Roundree or something kevin
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Roundree is the CEO yeah okay so yeah that there was a name in my head bloody hell I remember names um let's say
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you're it's James Workshop he's in charge so let's say you're James Workshop you're making the decisions yes
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so you've just released your new Terminators yes where do you go next what do you What's you What's your
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release plan then do you do you then go do you go right
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we've just done new scale terminators assault terminators wolf guard
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terminators no I would have I would have personally for me permanently for me for
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for the marine codeex I'd have got everything that was
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ultramarine i.e codeex standard i'd have got all of that out and then I'd start
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worried about flavors right yeah that make Yeah that makes go bang bang bang bang bang and especially because the
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fact that you know I'd rather as a Blood Angel player wait out for my Blood
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Angels and for my Codeex and my newer my new miniatures of which there wasn't many but I'd rather wait out for them
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but knowing that I've got assault terminators sitting there in the wings waiting to be painted for when I've got
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me codeex and I can rebuild me army to match it at least at least then you've got your especially for space I think
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for space marines specifically definitely because Space Marines you can like again as much as
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I've winged about uh there's not enough flavor at least you had them so you can be playing Space Wolves with your
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Primaris Marines and you've you've got the ability to play them yes they don't have your your cloaks like wolf claws
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and all that but you can still play you're right like Space Marines feels incomplete but again as somebody who's
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massively excited massively excited for these new Space Wolves I'm like "Right okay that's good." But this is the thing
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about Warhammer like even even at the most exciting times even at the times where I'm like "Yes yes yes." I'm still
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[ __ ] disappointed because I'm concerned we're not going to get a Bejorn the Fell-Handed or or Murder Fang
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revision or or Dreadnaugh revision whatever cuz that was a three in one if we do get one it will no longer be a
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threein one box it'll be a oneinone box and you won't have the options but there were other characters as well as um that
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haven't been uh done who's the guy in the black armor um is it N Stormaller no
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he's been done you mean you mean the name Stormaller you probably named you mean the named priest was he called
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rick yeah and that's still a nice model but it's also like I'm looking at it thinking like I'm desperate to see what
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the Space Walls Codeex looks like because I think if I personally because
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I think Games Workshop seems to be on a bloom and real um um sweep and clear
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mentality at the moment now I think to myself now I'm getting to the point where I look at the the I take the doom
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approach of it of looking at it and going if he didn't get a miniature he's not going to be in the codeex so and I
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you know and so does that mean so I don't think he will be I think he's called is he called Olrich the Slayer I
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think he might be called can't remember I haven't been a Space Wolf player for many a moon um for many a full moon
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but I don't think I don't think if he's not I don't think if he hasn't got a miniature now you're not coming back yeah or or the Slayer so we're not going
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to have an Or in the Codeex we're not going to have a Bujorn the Fellhander they're just So what are they dead are they gone this and and this is the bit
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no cuz what will happen is come 11th edition when they don't know what else to do they'll just they'll just give they'll go "Oh they were just on
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holiday." Which to be fair like is if you get a named character as your you
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just get a single miniature this time that's quite a good as far as single miniatures go it's better than say like
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a like what Chaos got this year in my
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opinion so like the World Eaters got like an eight bound leader guy and then
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uh Death Guard's got like their It's like it's very similar but big sword it's quite funny because when I
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collected um when I collected Ultra um Space Wolves in third edition and into
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fourth edition you did this the other way round which is where you got characters but they were then if you
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didn't want to take them as the character they were still the same miniature that you used for your um for
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your unnamed like you know like Olrich is like basically like the the the
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Spacewolf equivalent of a chaplain yeah yeah yeah yeah but you know she had like Space Wolf Chaplain for keeping it
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simple but there wasn't a miniature you just played them you just used Olrich right you know what I mean and
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now they've gone the other way round of going "We'll do a generic we'll do a generic one but Wolf Beast is the term
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isn't it you only do a generic Wolf Beast but we won't do Olic anymore." You know what I mean so they flipped it you
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know it was like Ragnar Black man yeah yeah could just be if you wanted to you just instead of bloom and giving him
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black hair you gave him blonde hair and he went spacewolf battle leader you know or you know or pack leader whatever it
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was called at the time he has got a blonde hair the official miniature the official miniature's black it's random
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that I'm sure he was blonde in the in the law but anyway the um but this is it
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like I get what you're saying like I I never feel with anything Warhammer I
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never feel satisfied they never well because it's the Pokemon thing isn't it
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got to catch them on like we can call it FOMO um but at the same
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time like it is what it is what keeps us coming back yeah it isively but I I
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don't and I tell you who else did this really badly for it yeah in the really
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early days of uh Infinity which I used to play which is a game I really liked they had this terrible habit where they
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they did back they didn't you um you didn't get codeexes all of your army lists were in the were in the main book
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yeah yeah and um I used to play a race called the Ariadne and they um they had
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like special they had like SAS teams cuz the idea was like Brits and Scots and uh
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whoever else it was Russians and Americans there's an irony um were all in the same were all in the same sci-fi
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yeah it was all Yeah they were all sci-fi the idea being they were meant to be the race that had gone out into space
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first got lost the rest of the human race went you know what we'll give that a swear for a while right and then when
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the rest of the race the human race goes out they're far more advanced than the Ariad the Ariadna look like 21st century
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combat guys and everybody else is in like power armor and you know what I mean so um but they did this thing where
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they went "Here's a list of all the SAS guys in your on your data slate that will be released with weapons with this
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weapon and that weapon and that weapon." And then next thing you know they weren't releasing them and then they were actually going back and redoing the
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miniature that they'd already done for a better one and you go "Where's the rest of me stuff?" Yeah and I just think I
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don't hugely you know if I live to be 150
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years old and painted for 8 hours a day I'm still not going to get it all done but just finish the bloody codeex do you
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know what I mean and do all that's all I ask finish your codeex and then do all of the do all of the other ones and then
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it's sitting there with the knowledge of going I know I've got assault terminators if I need them i know I've got this i know I've got that you know
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what I It's funny you mentioned like you know Games Workshop know like they oh somebody there's got ADHD like there was
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a fantastic short that I think I don't know if I shared it with you but I sent it to you where and I think spiky bits
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shared it it was on their channel but somebody British had recorded hi I'm such and such the leader of games
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workshop and as you know we've we've wanted to we want years ago we started our business with one goal in mind how
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can we tax autism and that's how it goes from there but now as somebody quite I wouldn't say
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proudly on that spectrum but somebody who exists on that spectrum I'm like [ __ ] yes exactly that that is exactly
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how I feel but I'm going to keep going back to more because for more cuz I'm addicted
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and look and and as I said I said on the show last week last week or week before
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I'm not surprised they're doing another Space Marine codeex because you've got to keep fueling the thing that sells the
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best and then I know there Xenos players and and Chaos players and so on get angry going "Oh Space Mary's always
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getting something." Completely get your message and I agree but also you have to have a look at it another little bit
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don't you is the fact you need the money that Space Wolves make to pay everybody to make the other stuff you know what I
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mean to Yeah that's a very valid point you know it's going you know a rising
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tide lift is it you that once told me that um at one point in time there
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wasn't a singular space marine hero was out selling all of the inter the tinid
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range on his own yes yeah i think it was one of the I think it was one of the Imperial Fists guys yeah so like it it
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was kind of like a Yeah at my time at workshop like an often comment from from someone and they said that Yeah that an
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Imperial Fist like name character out sold an entire Xenos range i can't
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remember what it was um like that's just how they sell more of that just check
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they sold more of that individual model correct than than than all of the individual different boxes of the
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Tyrannid range or one of the Xenos range i can't remember the specifics now but but so you know and you go and you go
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well well maybe you'd sell more tinids if you kept making more tids and I feel there's an argument for that but you've
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also got to go back to things that has been spoken about before all we've we've talked about is that there's only so
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much yes you can always look at it most of us a lot a lot of us shop online but
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there's still bricks and mortar stores and they can't have everything on the shelf as much when they started saying "Oh we're going to start reducing kill
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teams some of them will go away and they won't we won't sell them anymore but we'll support them for a while and then
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they won't be available in tournaments for a bit." And loads of people you know rightly threw their blum and teddy out
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the pram you're going but you can only have a shelf space of kill team and a shop so big can't you you can't that's
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that's the element and this is it is you can of the business that I continually forget about is uh the shelf space and
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the size of the boxes that they have so you know like your rogal dawn bottom and
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various other bits and bobs is kind of how much space did they save by not having the bottom of the rog but it does
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lots of weapon options spoke to I spoke to quite a well-known well a very
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well-known sculptor who we both know and I spoke to him about that rogal dawn
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bottom and I'm not going to get into it cuz loads people like oh why haven't I got a finished [ __ ] I get it but he said if we to put that in we'd have
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either have to lose other stuff or we to put that we'd have had to rejig the frames we'd have ended up with more
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frames which means that box wouldn't be the right box we'd have to move to another box which then comes boxes come
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in sizes of buckets boxes um basically line up to price categories and then
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when it's on the shelf because of how much space it takes a lot more expensive yeah the more shelf space you take as a
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box the more money you cost cuz you've got to even online it's not just physical shelf space like warehouse space as well is also you are almost
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selling and I know people are going to be really annoyed and not agree with me this and and I get it and I you know sounds like but you are
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almost you are all your your games workshop purchase is almost price per
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centimeter based on what it takes up on a shelf isn't it to some degree because if your box is that big that means the
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other box that was that big hasn't got space to be there and and so on but um and you know and then somebody made a
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really valid point i remember talking to reading a thing from somebody who said I took my Rogal Dawn kit to my game to my
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local gaming club i hadn't built it he said I put I put everything all the
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frames down and said what would you like to lose that is the same amount of space
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as the plate from the bottom m and they go "Do you want to lose them jerry cans and that and do you want to lose that?"
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And they like "Oh no." You go so you know but um yeah so
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so to to go back to the original thing are we spoiled yes because we get the most stuff but do I feel in my own
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personal opinion on the the Assault Terminators do I feel like I'm I was still justified in my moan yes I think I
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probably was but I'm aware that it's a moan that will annoy other people who've you know feel short the lack of their
30:29
Yeah where where where are my normal looking catons you know what I mean why why have I got still got massively
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outdated blum and orcs with rocker packs and you know and all of this sort of stuff i get it i get it but I also think
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if you come in with a new chassis and go that size is now that size you should then make sure everything else that is
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sold around that is released within short order in my opinion i'm I'm to
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wondering around that as well now that you say it like attitudes I feel over the last two or three years attitudes
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around games workshop and how they do their releases and they approach it and the pricing and the structure attitudes
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around it have become less and less favorable to put it in a positive way i
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wonder how much of this is is like even now oh games workshop price
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gouging it's too expensive okay we've been saying this now for 20 years oh but
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saying as long as I've been in the hobby yeah that was in in primary school everyone said that it was mega expensive
31:34
so it's always been it it relatively it may be more it may be less i genuinely don't know um I want it all like don't
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get me wrong i I I think if I was to spend my hobby money like my exposable
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exposable no disposable income on my on my hobby and I was dedicated to an army
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and wanted to paint it and did that and blah blah then I think I and Christ I'm
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not rich like most people I think can afford it to if it was to if you were to
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buy that way but we don't we buy so much more than we need we all do right like
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Yeah yeah like and it's because we want it like part of the hobby is that Pokémon got to catch them all got to
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collect them all got to have it all i was going to say like I I feel like as like I am a basic [ __ ] uh when it comes
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to a lot of things on the toilet wall in my life yeah um and um yeah for for for better or for
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worse I love Space Marines um I don't apologize for it i think the new Terminators are absolutely sensational
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and every time I see a new Terminator released it's this is slightly different i'm just like oo so the the Space Marine
32:51
announcement like really did it for me uh in in a way that hasn't been done for
32:58
me in a little while I think so am I spoiled yes am I greedy yes do I apologize for it [ __ ] no I want I want
33:06
I'm like "Oh cool a space marine but he's got some tassels in a slightly different area or a bit of cloth or a
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pelt i need it." So yeah yeah right then
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moving on uh there's been a new Chaos Knight released today
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oh golly gosh i've been I'm sorry right so I need to turn on Let me go and get
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my giving a [ __ ] can you have you left it in your back pocket or still holding down in the car like watching no sorry
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um like you I just I don't care I I don't I don't want to be negative i want to be like I am we've just been positive
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GW blah blah blah i don't care about Knights personally no I've got to be honest and sorry Knights players i feel
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like all I do this on on the show at times is apologize for be opinion because I know people are like but I love that and I you know and I go and
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you know what and you know I got to you know if someone was like you know what I don't can't see the point in crutin tow
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be like "Screw you they're amazing." But um so they've released a new chaos knight he um he's got a dark flame and a
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deadly drill and makes the knight he's called the night ruinator now I don't mean to be funny but do you not think a
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ruinator sounds like a really aggressive dildo yeah I do i do
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takes like seven or eight at least like seven or eight big batteries no the diesel one of the ones that if you
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plugged it in the lights would flicker yeah yeah no you have to buy the diesel generator to go with it hang on
34:35
love yeah but that's what it sound like that's what it sounded like to me but you know what i don't really like nights
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in games i like I think from having served in the military I like the idea of things of all being sort of
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like squad level you know what I mean and um but um cuz to me it's pushing toy
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soldiers around the table but you know if you like knights at your bag then that's cool yeah but I think this new one's really nice i think it's a really
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nice I like the design i love the really aggressive drill it's really cool i like I like the idea of of tools made tools
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made to do something practical being then redefined for killing i just I can't get past the scale like the scale
35:14
of knights just isn't right like don't get me wrong I like I like you i like me squads i like me vehicles i I even like
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the hovery tanks the is it repulsor i like them i like titans i
35:26
love the idea of Titans obviously they're like beyond affordable and I wouldn't want to paint one it just looks like a nightmare the the knight just
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does not fit any of the Warhammer aesthetic for me like it isn't the same
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that armor on on that one and the other ones isn't the same style as either
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Space Marines or um Walking Cathedrals it it it just
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doesn't fit the visually like they look fine on their own but it almost feels
35:55
like own game the funny thing is they are massively 40k but they I think
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you're right they almost feel like night should be a game of their own see one of my main problems with and I know we
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don't try to go down this route too often one of my main problems with knights is not knights it's scenery okay
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because if you've got guns that big and the idea that you you've got a marine on a second floor and the knight shoots the
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marines who are on the second floor of the scenery and I think no surely when a knight shoots a gun there just be no
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second floor and you know and and to me a knight should be able to stomp through a building and I know you're going to go
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but then you're talking about collapsible terrain and and I know and I know it opens up a massive big you know
36:36
next thing you know if you did if a if you put Jeff in charge of 12th edition 40k and they go have you seen the um the
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scenery um the scenery section it's 115 pages you know what I mean and I know and I
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understand the idea it's you know you 40k is is warfare through a very
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specific sort of lens isn't it and uh I just I like knights I like the way they
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look I think the aesthetic of them I think this new one looks really great I just they just I for me I think I'd be
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and you know what you know if knights was a game I think I'd be probably quite tempted to play Yeah I had like two and then a loads of
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the little ones that run around alongside yeah like the war dogs or whatever they call me play that i can't stand the face that looks like it's
37:20
going to phone Sydney Prescott and ask if she wants to play a game i quite like the face and the thing is
37:27
is don't forget as well with it being a night they haven't released it yet but it'll probably come with like three yeah
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I hope so i'm not seeing any more on the No but I think like different faces because you know they have a number
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different head CEX Chaos Knights so Chaos Knights is its own faction so you
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go the codeex level about four pages isn't it surely yes yeah chaos Knights
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it's available on the back of a stamp that's it like how many Chaos Knights
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are there i've known of one before this and it was a Chaos two or three uh cuz there I've got
38:01
there was a new one for for 10th edition and there was a new one that had kind of like a tentacle sort of like whip thing
38:07
and then there was there was another one previously before that which had a couple of I've got to be honest they
38:12
released they released an Imperial since we last recorded theyre released a new imperial night last week cuz they done
38:20
doing the two codeexes very close together and I've got to be honest I I had to refer to the new oracle of all
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things 40k in our house being my 11-year-old child and I went I said "Unite?" And he went "Oh yeah." He said
38:31
"Oh they've changed to such and such." I've got to be honest i thought I looked at it and couldn't figure out what was different from it but it's just a bit
38:37
more shielded than the other one I think but um cuz I know the Imperial actually they they were kind of like "Oh this is
38:43
cool." Then they brought out another one i forget the name and everything is just like a bit bigger but the model is just
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not as good like the aesthetics nowhere near as good it's kind of like somebody released a car and then they're like "Oh
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this is the cool muscle car version." You're like "No thanks." Yeah i think
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they just It looks too clean it doesn't look war torn i think if it was a bit more grim [ __ ] like you look at the you
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look at the I'd argue it's quite quite grim dark the a little bit but what I
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mean is like the weathering of it like if you look at the Oh yeah so like the paint job yeah i guess the paint job
39:20
yeah like I remember like do you remember the old Imperial Armor books that was very much like you know how to
39:25
apply weather and they don't do that with GW it's very much a box arty style but if you look at that what would you
39:31
call that the loin cloth the loin cloth between its legs it goes very Oh that's been dragging along on the ground and
39:37
it's black and then the legs are pristine yeah yeah no I you know I don't
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I don't I don't mind this to some degree because I think you want to show the miniature it's best to get people to
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take it off the shelf and buy it but you know that that you well you know it's
39:54
when you you know the men men and women far more talented than us that get older these for their YouTube channels and
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things and then they go I'm going to make this in grim dark or I'm going to do this and then you go all right now I'm starting to see the miniature at its
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best i don't mind them all shiny and that because you know you know we're all Mike pies aren't we shiny cells doesn't
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it so a couple of people who are into tonight or love him um Taro loves his nights don't he taro's a big fan of his
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nights yeah and then modelmaker.com guy called Dan Osborne oh yeah he's fantastic
40:25
so yeah I I've never seen so many nights in one go as I have in tarot yeah yeah
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it's um it's got it IKEA deto dedicated to Yeah absolutely three of them are holding it up so yeah it's it's not my
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bag i think I can't say anymore no but you know it's nice to see it it's out there what I don't get is like how
40:43
there's not like a night per faction or something like that like is there not a night lords well the idea No it's the
40:50
idea isn't it they are the knights work alongside but the idea is they never cuz
40:55
they're they're all like their own families aren't they the house of this and the house of the other they are like
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their own like ancient families and is that like what's in that is it a vehicle that's driven or is that like a No
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there'll be I think even with chaos I think the idea that there is still some Yeah there are called
41:13
Princeps is the Titan the Titan pilots uh you all right
41:18
there princess sorry yeah no well in the Brutal
41:24
Cunning there's a spoilers um well it's been out a few years but I think you're
41:29
all right a squig kills the princess but the orcs can't read and they're like "Oh
41:35
you killed the princess." So then there's a squig that they call princess for the rest of the book um which is
41:42
just quite fun yeah my little love that book you absolutely love Brut and Connor
41:47
yeah I I can like because it was probably because I I've listened to it i listened to the audio book a while ago
41:52
um and I think I'd come off of um you know the Infinite and the Divine or
41:58
something like that or you know something a bit something a bit more highbrow can be yeah absolutely um and
42:05
then I was listening to it and I was like oh this is probably the first one I think I may even said on the podcast I was like this is maybe the first one
42:11
that I've done that I listen to that I don't like but then after I sort of digested it I was just like "No no it
42:19
was quite fun." Like you don't take it too seriously you can see everything
42:24
coming a mile off like oh no that guy was secretly chaos like which book am I
42:30
talking about all of them um and oh no who knew that them people who were
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industriously working hard were Jean Steeler cult which seems to have happened quite a few books as well um
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but so why were they all wearing hats
42:45
covering up their tattoos but yes uh from from the perspective of you know an 11-year-old
42:51
kid like that book's hilarious yeah oh he just was we he got it was it last
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year yeah last year when we went to Kefalonia and he we got on the plane and he he played Steam Deck for a little bit
43:02
and then put it down and then he just he that book in about a day and a half cuz I feel like this is one I want to read
43:08
cuz I've got the maturity of an 11-year-old kid so yeah perfect yes yeah Elijah yeah he just stormed through it
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but um as he does but um yeah so Knights I'd be more for them if you gave them
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their own game yeah I think it would be quite cool yeah I feel I feel like um
43:25
I'd want to paint one at some stage just to be like "Yeah I painted one i've got
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one i've got all the spruce for one." And I keep looking at it and thinking I don't I don't want to paint it cuz I
43:37
don't want to play it you know I only paint to play i don't paint to display i only paint to play and I keep looking at
43:43
it and going what I'm going to do with it i'll I'll build it and paint it and then it'll just sit there and do nothing
43:48
cuz I won't it goes against my ethos of the game and I won't want to play and I keep now looking at it and going if I
43:53
cut that leg and change it around cuz I just do it that it sort of fell over you know was trying to stop itself and then
43:59
it died you know you know mid midfall sort of thing and and I thought and then
44:05
it could be quite a good piece of scenery for kill team and things like that you know what I mean yeah especially cuz I thought you know if you
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built that right and fell over and you thought and if you do house ruled it with the mate that you could run up it and use it as a fire point i thought
44:17
it'd be quite cool that would be interesting yeah so I think that's what might which is really bad because my 11-year-old keeps going when are you
44:23
going to make that when are you going to make it i can't wait to see that built and painted today just to I'm in the back of my brain going "Mate that's just
44:29
going to be fell over and covered in rust you know." So I feel like you could kind of with the knights if you kept the
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armor panels off yeah just spray and dry brush all of the metallics yeah yeah and
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then paint the armor panels off the I think I just dirty down the life out of it anyway
44:46
which isn't a euphemism it's an actual product yeah yeah but uh Yes so yeah new
44:52
night yeah i I have no strong feelings we're only minorly interested either yeah i
44:58
don't think I don't think I have any particularly uh strong feelings on that one if you're into nights and chaos nights at that I hope you like it i
45:05
don't like it yeah yeah specifically because whilst that's being released it means we aren't getting more Space
45:11
Marines is that going to be the theme of the night yeah how dare we get this uh this
45:18
weird waste of time this weird chaos night when we could have got Murder Fang instead yeah exactly why why why why
45:24
games workshop who was that guy i'm really into Space Wolves but I don't know his name the chaplain bloke him
45:29
yeah or the slave or the Yeah yeah we could have had could have had three Or
45:34
the stage every time you say or I think or von Likenstein from a night's
45:39
tale Heath Ledger can minute silence for him after watch yeah be weird if we just
45:46
stopped for a minute yeah just for a random like Heath Ledger memorial we do miss him though yeah he should have been
45:53
in more i've got a question are Army Boxes not special enough for
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the release they are army boxes yeah you know like we just had this cuz this would by now by the time you see this if
46:09
this goes out you know all being well when it's meant to yeah um the Thousand Sons box will be available for pre-order
46:16
and I looked at it and I thought don't me wrong I thought I do like the fact that they've been painting lately the demons in the specific that that generic
46:24
demon they do you've been painting them in their specific chap legions which is quite cool to see cuz you do that demon
46:31
and they give them a you can get them with different heads the demon prints no the big the big demon print so you can flavor them
46:38
different ways to your right down there he's in an Age of Sigmar box uh on the
46:43
floor oh yeah over there oh I'll grab him hang on yeah yeah
46:49
props but then they do him so you can corn him and slanish him and one yeah so
46:55
you can do the AOS version you can do the 40k version uh so he can either have wings or he can have a power pack
47:01
obviously is to which is really funny because that's like the bird head for being to
47:08
each but then when they did the thousands box it's not the head it's not the head they gave him i don't think it's difficult listening to a scouse say
47:15
bird bed head bird cuz it's just like obviously Yeah birds B E R A
47:21
B A I R D yeah maybe all right or I don't know i'll teach B or B E R D bed
47:28
um but yeah like Yeah I see what you see i I never knew this so what what are we
47:33
saying is this in the box or something yeah there's one of them in the box and I do love when they make a model that
47:39
suits both 40k and Yeah I do i I think it's really cool when they manage it um there's a lot of So it's Is this the um
47:48
I feel out the loop uh it's not a new combat patrol it's the army box with the army box i think stuff that was
47:53
announced at and so all it has in it that's new not all it has in it cuz they're quite interesting is them weird
48:01
robots yeah the uh definitely not Egyptian inspired robots yeah but I was
48:06
thinking you know when I looked at it and I went quite like the way and I thought you know when I look at a box like that and the first thing I think of
48:14
I quite like they've played the way they've painted that miniature that's been out for three years yeah and I thought are army boxes not enough of an
48:21
event anymore and I thought why maybe why can't we have a miniature that is
48:27
only Wouldn't it can't we go back to having maybe I know people go "Oh I never got one." But can't we go back to
48:34
exclusive miniatures what do you mean exclusive ones that only come in that only come in that box but why would you
48:40
want that i'm I'm confused why would I want that cuz I'd want to feel I want to
48:46
feel like a special boy when I spend two figures but I mean you do you get that initially
48:52
don't you but yeah but then but then it becomes general sale and I think I sort
48:58
of to some degree don't have an issue with exclusive
49:03
miniatures because I think if it's it feels a bit pay to win when it's a
49:09
unique model so like if it's another space marine lieutenant yeah I but yeah that's what I mean it does okay so sorry
49:16
chap so the um the warflame throll band
49:21
battle force which has to say yes christ and I was reading it uh off of Warcom um
49:28
that has the new robots in dusty dusty robots so that is your um the the kind
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of one with the codeex in all that sort of stuff cuz they all got into the combat patrol is the one with the demon
49:42
prints in combat doesn't have the robots in you have um that's the one with all
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all models yeah I was going to say cuz when you brought this up earlier I was looking at a couple of the combat we
49:53
were talking about the best models this year um which we may or may not come on to um but we were looking I was looking
49:59
at that and one of the things that got released is combat patrols i was flicking through the combat patrols and I was like me like the Nurgle one the
50:05
the the death guard one i was like it's it's a rhino it's It's the Rhino that's
50:12
god years old now it's got this the stupid upgrade sprew for the bits and it's like here you go make a mess of a
50:18
rhino yeah um a bit more classic and I was like yeah that's me when it comes to
50:23
army boxes I don't think I get what you're saying like I want to feel special in
50:29
having my unique model and if they had a model that existed elsewhere so I could
50:36
still field or buy another of that model and still have that that specific
50:43
model's attributes on my thing but maybe I've got a unique pose or something like Well that's what they they've done that
50:49
already haven't they uh if we go back to Dark Imperium not Dark Imperium
50:56
uh yeah dark Imperium eighth edition which was Space Marines versus Plague yes plague Marines yeah the first one
51:02
with the the And that had the And I had that Gravis Captain that you could never then get anywhere else unless you bought
51:08
the massive sprew oh the one that had it be it'd been abused in steroids cuz he had the big bubble gut yeah I can see
51:15
why that guy that pretended he only lived on raw liver i remember that no I
51:20
ended up with three of them somehow cuz I painted them and then I've been Americans who don't eat liver no um I've
51:26
only got two of them um but no the
51:31
uh that that Yeah the space cuz I got one in Indomitus and then I
51:37
think in in Dark Imperium i think I got two cuz you got one in the the magazine
51:44
was combat not combat patrol but whatever it was at the time i think you got it in there but yeah when it's
51:50
something like that like I can still get can I still get if I can still get a Space Marine Captain in Gravis armor
51:55
somewhere else just not that pose fine i don't mind an exclusive mini but what I
52:02
wouldn't what I would hate is if I'm an army player and I've been collecting Death Guard for years and the only way
52:08
to get this new model that's got new attributes is to buy all of these models
52:14
I already own I I own again just to get that extra one that's a very very fair
52:19
point and I do agree with that is that you go well you know we talk you know we're talking about this from last week
52:25
you know death guard sold the death guard army box sold out and you go and it's you know other than that new lord
52:33
of whatever he's called boxes or plague or whatever it is um big sword chap yeah big sword chap um everything else in it
52:41
has been around since eth edition yeah but the value of that and that's what that's what sold it out although I do
52:46
think it's utterly disgusting that you when you're in pre-order you can sell out i think is really naughty but um I
52:54
don't know i just think I don't know look it's maybe me who just likes the idea of being collecting all these
52:59
special little things and only you know but I think I just think to some degree I think shouldn't I just don't feel
53:05
right i just don't feel like army boxes feel like enough of an event i I don't I
53:10
don't with these ones i feel I feel like they are interesting sorry no I was I was just going to say I feel like with
53:17
these there's two types of army box there's the ah big relaunch army box that I think goes back to and I can't
53:23
think of one before it's Sisters of Battle yeah where people were queuing up at like I was one of them queued up at Warhammer World cuz I missed it out on
53:30
pre-order and there were loads of us we saw Duncan Rhodess and he was like shivering so someone said "You should have worn coats." Brilliant um but yeah
53:37
we were stood there and it it was it was an event and we went in and like it was like yeah we got it and I did it i still
53:43
only painted half of that box but those where and I think you get the the ones where you get the codeex with it and
53:49
you've got the gorgeous artwork on the box and you want to keep the box that is an event that is a proper army box we'll
53:55
get one for Space Wolves I presume yeah I would say yeah I think they were already yeah or the last one was
54:02
obviously the Slenesh box where it's dedicated but these ones where so many miniatures in that box yeah it was a
54:08
good box and so many pieces for those miniatures as well but the um the ones
54:14
where it's like generic Warhammer branding top and bottom you know the black techy thing and then a picture of
54:20
the army but not artwork but just a picture of the army stood on the front yeah they're like they they feel
54:27
uh uh I wouldn't say egregious but they feel like "Hey here's please buy all
54:32
these models to get this one new figure that will be out in 3 months." I I don't they don't feel like an event but I
54:38
don't think they're meant to no I know i may be you may be right but I just I don't feel like I don't feel like a
54:45
codeex in a box that hasn't got that hasn't got Warhammer 40,000 written on the front of it feels like enough of a
54:51
thing yes yeah i feel like I want cuz Yeah you get your limited edition codeex which just has less writing branding on
54:58
it yeah and I just feel I don't know i just feel like I want a box to have
55:03
things in it that you know yeah so Yeah because I guess like if if we're following the argument that what they're
55:10
doing at the minute sucks a bit um you either get more exclusive which I get
55:15
the impression that you'd like to go whereas I'd sort of prefer to see it see them die um I think quite possibly i
55:23
think I go It's funny i think I'd go both extremes either really really fluff my ego or just completely ignore me i
55:30
think I'd rather go one or I don't want to be in the middle i don't want it to be in the middle cuz in the middle feels
55:36
bit neither one thing nor the other that's where they'll go though they'll just keep doing what they're doing yeah that's it middle road and annoy the
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least amount of people but they dress it up don't they it's like they'll potentially do this with Black Templars where they'll go the Black Templar box
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and you go and you go it's a Black Templar captain and Terminator armor and then the rest of it is already stuff
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you've got yeah and it's Space Marine so I'd still buy it but you know let's keep it going i No
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but like say the Space Walls one I I've got a couple of boxes of Space Wolf
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stuff i think I've sold quite a bit of Morai and that kind of thing um I
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most likely will buy the new one um if I
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can't afford it I'll sell stuff for if I if you buy everything individually child yeah if if I'm like does my dog need to
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eat this month um no uh of course he does and I would feed him over myself um
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yeah i He's only just got his first dog i love my dog he's my baby he is though he's so cute yeah he is he's great he's
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funny like I don't I don't call him like like before I got him I was like why do people call dogs fur babies and this
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that and the other like he's not but then now I've got him and I don't call him a fur baby cuz I think that always
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sounds weird but I I do like the morning shift and I come down the stairs and I
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can see him like poking poking his head around in the crate and I'm like "Where is my fluffy son?" Um and then he starts
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wagging his tail and then and it sound it sounded like um we have a hug and a cuddle and it's great rush there didn't
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it yeah where are my fluffy sons yeah fact goes down every morning a wolf pelt
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yeah yeah exactly it's not It's just one of them one of them IKEA sheep rugs that he's cut a hole in yeah yeah he nearly
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tripped over to like coming down to coming down the stairs honestly touch and go it's great um like say I think
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it's specific so the Space Wolf one I will most likely buy i'll look at the codeex and go "Oh that's nice." And then
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inevitably give you the code for it and then and everything and you'll be like "Are you sure?" And I'm like "Yeah I
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don't." Well you know what i've came up with a plan for the Space Wolves because I don't want to make another Space
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Marine army no but I love the Space Wolves and and what I've decided I'm
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going to do is make a space wolves army instead i'm going to make a space wolves army instead space battle and what I'm
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going to do is I'm only ever going to paint it while massively high on drugs so that the sober me doesn't know it
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exists right i'm going to hide it when they come just as I'm coming down off the hallucenics i'll hide it so then
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sober me doesn't know he's got a spaceful body um no what I thought is I thought I want to scratch that itch yeah
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and the the thing that I think has always been really well designed for scratching an itch of something you want to have a go at without hugely
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committing to it is Kill Team so I think what I'm going to do is I think I'm going to buy enough Space Wolf stuff
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that I can mimic I know a couple of miniatures outside of the range outside of the Space Wolf range but I'm going to
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buy enough of it so I can mimic Kill Team Angels of Death but it will be Space Wolf specific yeah that's me plan
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and that way then it's a way of going you know yeah scratch the edge that Angels of Death grouping is
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pretty popular yeah I I love it i think it's fantastic so I will buy a box of Grey Hunters or Blood Claws one or the
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other i'll buy the Wolf Guard Battle Leader i'll on eBay I'll find a secondhand um I'll find a secondhand
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sniper i love I love where they started like I'm not going to buy the Space and then I'll And then if I buy three If I
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buy uh three Land Raiders and this is where it's going yeah exactly i was like
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"Yeah I'm just I'm just going to go kill team scratch build my own space battle barge and uh I'll just get my own bits."
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Yeah three boxes yeah but that's No that's me plan that's my plan is to is um scrunch a couple of miniatures off
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eBay being the one of the eliminator snipers and the heavy intercessor with a
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heavy bolter and then the rest of them I'll just And then the great thing is if I buy the Space Wolf box there'll be
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enough Wolfie Gubbins I can put on them two guys to make them look like they're We still not seeing the sprew that's the
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bit I'm curious about like what spares are there what there must be a upgrade spree coming
59:49
that has like a slightly different gun like Blood Angel's got one haven't they and Dark Angel's got one doubt it
59:56
talking of um talking of upgrade screws that sprews that haven't turned up
1:00:01
surely they bloody well like they did for the Kings where's the Death Corre one you currently can't have a Death
1:00:08
Corre tank commander unless you go hacking the legs off one of your own
1:00:15
kaden's got a tank commander and then Oh to go in the top of Yeah and then a crew and then a tank crew which looked like a
1:00:21
was like a um a female character with her sleeves rolled up and a big spanner in her hand and things like that and it
1:00:27
done all of them bits and bobs and they put that that cinjun upgrade sprew was very very good and it it ticked a loads
1:00:32
of the boxes of things it goes back to what we were saying at the beginning you've got like and this is it it's like it's complete we haven't finished that
1:00:40
yeah we haven't like we've Okay here's your And look if you know in the next edition they went because what you
1:00:46
haven't got also with with your creek is you haven't got a creed commander on foot you got him on a horse or you've got a
1:00:51
commasar but you haven't got a creek commander on foot which will probably be something that might come in when they
1:00:56
get to 11th edition hopefully they don't because I'd like to see 11th edition be Katachan heavy but um those are the
1:01:04
jungle men aren't they yeah you go and you should have blum and done an upgrade sprew
1:01:09
for the fact cuz the thing is not even just go I'll just put a helmet on that guy cuz you go cuz it's blatantly cadian
1:01:16
they look blatantly cadian and you can put a creek helmet on them all you want but it doesn't turn them into ag i'm
1:01:21
really fighting the corner for a creek game and I don't even play it play them but I go you should have just done them a bloody upgrades and this is the
1:01:28
problem that leads me back to people going you're spoiled and I go yeah but I also it's not the fact I'm spoiled I
1:01:34
just want to see bloody continuity yeah we all do we all do and it's this thing of going well make one of them cuz the
1:01:40
cadians really need that what about K nah [ __ ] that i I I genuinely I don't even think it's
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malicious i think No I don't think it's malicious i just think it's I don't Yes I agree i don't think there's anyone sat
1:01:52
at Games Workshop going "Right okay let's have a list of all our forces and what we've released in in the written
1:01:58
word and what we've released physical and they're not going through like going "Right we should do that and finish that
1:02:03
and do this in a sensible order." No it it feels more like they're going "Right okay we need a release for this period
1:02:10
because this period's going to be a big sales period and what are we going to do and how can we how can we this skew is
1:02:16
failing how can we reinvigor that that skew or we've got this much extra
1:02:21
stock?" Because you're talking about boxes but how much have they got sat there in spr and and you know stuff like
1:02:27
that so how many I I don't know maybe it's not done like that but how many of these new Death Guard boxes are because
1:02:34
Christ we've got absolutely tons of this sprew and that sprew and that sprew but that's proved not to be true cuz they
1:02:40
sold out well true yeah no but but it that could be a way to shift i I look at
1:02:46
it from the other side which is this thing as well of like is that you're going do you know if I had I put I
1:02:53
already had a pre-existing sort of army that have been made up sort of forge world bits or a bit of this and a bit of
1:02:59
that or or I'd made as much of a cut as a army just by continually buying chaos
1:03:04
box um kill team boxes and sort of made one and going you know I'll buy all of
1:03:10
that caging stuff but I'm taking all of them fellas off and I'll put all these on and then you know Then they go "We've
1:03:16
released an upgrade sprew that gives you tank commander." You go "Do you know what i might just buy another Leman Russ
1:03:21
and stick him in stick one of them in." I think sometimes they stand on their own foot because they going we are
1:03:30
obsessive about making things match to the to what you you we all unless you're
1:03:36
like just a dieh hard tournament player it doesn't really give that much of a monkeys but we all love the flavor and
1:03:41
the fluff and the color and the and that thing and you go it's like Neil said you want it painted yeah and he go but why would you if you're a if you've started
1:03:49
building a army since they got their release go why have I why are all my Leman Russers haven't had the hatch down
1:03:56
because I haven't got somebody to stick out the top and you go yeah well you go well if you try you could saw one and a
1:04:01
half but then you go you've got to remove him from another unit you've already why have I now got I've now got a creek unit that hasn't got enough men
1:04:07
because I saw one and a half to put him in the top of a Leman rush they going we know you can make a really great upgrade
1:04:14
upgrade sprew because you made a great upgrade Great sprew for Cadens you made a great one for the Dark Angels you made a brilliant one for the for Black
1:04:20
Templars just bloody make a Just have a stand and order that okay i'm so angry
1:04:26
just have a stand in order that every bloody army that comes out gets an upgrade to brew just factor it in do you
1:04:32
know what I mean it's as simple as that i'm going to be Robin Williams to Matt Damon in a minute it's okay so my
1:04:38
opinion on that i don't I don't know if I got to
1:04:44
the point with my army boxes thing um yeah it depends on what the army is
1:04:49
regard like it depends on if I want the army i feel like my opinion changes i I probably will buy or I would very much
1:04:55
like to buy the spacewolf one because as a mentioned athic [ __ ] um but say the
1:05:03
Thousand Suns one I'd be like "Nah not bothered." And then yeah I like ideally
1:05:09
you'd individually they'd all get released and your army box would be at the same time
1:05:15
um cuz then you could go for the army if you wanted it you could get your limited edition codeex bundling all together it
1:05:22
would be a bit cheaper or you could just get the bits individually yeah um I think that would be you know from a
1:05:29
consumer point of view would be the best i can understand why they do it the way that they do um because stuff always
1:05:37
sells out it creates FOMO and all that sort of stuff for a business yeah and
1:05:43
and and that is like I'd be more tempted to try and get my hands on the Spacewolf one because I'd be like "Oh will it will
1:05:49
it like if I'm shooting a wedding will it I'll miss the pre-order and then I might not be able to get it for months."
1:05:55
Um it turns out like realistic when I think about it like it's all kind of bollocks anyway because by the time it's
1:06:01
back in stock even if I bought it like I I bought the box I assembled half of it
1:06:06
and I haven't painted any of it so I shouldn't have done it no no but the
1:06:12
second any of us learn to stop buying more models until we've
1:06:17
painted the ones we've got we won't we won't because the new the new new the
1:06:22
new new yeah like I have never cared about Elar but I got most of the [ __ ]
1:06:28
Elar i still haven't apart from the striking
1:06:34
scorpions they are all still in their boxes and I really wanted to paint fog in
1:06:41
more than any of the others i wanted to do it i still have
1:06:47
um and I literally I I damaged my hand doing it like I had to end up in A&E and I got like really bad arthritis
1:06:54
something or gout in my wrist i've never had it before um who's the guy with the big sythe thing not the scythe yeah yeah
1:07:01
the gun the leader of the dark reapers you mean um and yeah like that
1:07:07
wrecked my wrist building and and can't cuz I did it like so smooth and I wanted no join lines um and I did that still
1:07:14
have not painted it haven't painted it so I don't know why maybe that's cuz you got PTSD don't know yeah probably yeah
1:07:21
probably for that one i don't know why I'm buying these Space Wolves cuz you're right exactly like you but I guarantee
1:07:27
the day they get announced and they're up for pre-order I will be there clicking refresh on um Games Workshop
1:07:33
and Element Games website until one of them's in stock and I can whichever one I get through the checkout cuz that will
1:07:38
sell the [ __ ] out yeah it's already sold out yeah yeah i feel like whatever
1:07:45
amount of sprews that they've made it's not enough it's not enough yeah yeah
1:07:50
right then thought we'd do something a little bit different we normally do one of these at the end of the year and we
1:07:55
thought we can still do one at the end of the year but we thought be interesting as we by the time this video goes out we'll be virtually at the six
1:08:03
month point of of the year thought we'd do five miniatures that we've really
1:08:08
been impressed with so far for 2025 and uh that have that have been
1:08:15
released in 25 they've been released in 2025 and they're not on sale now so don't give me any of that Space Wolf
1:08:21
[ __ ] oh so we can't use them no no no i want They've got to be in a cardboard
1:08:26
box on a shelf or out of stock somewhere they've got to have been released and out of stock it's interesting you talk
1:08:33
about like halfway halfway we're halfway through the year well we're not we're literally knocking on the door of June
1:08:39
and shouldn't we have heard something about the the big release of the year by now isn't that normally released well
1:08:46
well it's going to be Horus Heresy isn't it well you say it's going to be but like Well it is well yeah because they've started their own trolling
1:08:52
website haven't they oh have they horus heray they're doing their own they are basically trying to looks at the moment
1:08:59
like they're trying to out Val rack val whilst working there and they've done their own p they've done their own thing
1:09:04
called the Horus hair as in hearsay yeah right okay and they're showing little bit really really good pop band from the
1:09:11
naughties late 90s
1:09:16
the um and I've said this a couple of times now i love that GW are in a little bit more sense yeah they're they're in a
1:09:23
position to do this again but again we spoke to some of the guys and they were like fairly they were just like "Look
1:09:28
sometimes it's not the time to joke." Um and you know like tensions are high and
1:09:34
blah blah no matter what you say the community is not not going to respond positively it's got to say something
1:09:40
like it's got to be telling of the entire Warhammer community and space at the moment that they're in a positive
1:09:46
enough place for Warhammer to take the piss out of themselves and do this sort
1:09:52
of stuff when they were in this
1:10:01
binist humor so I love that we're here i do go on then should we take it in turns what um what do we what's been our
1:10:08
favorite five things that we've released so far this year oh Christ um I don't know if I've got a favorite
1:10:15
five but um I I I was the gay swat then who did five but Yeah yeah no it's okay
1:10:21
i mean I've got to say I I the day I don't know I've managed to find time to do this yeah i mean Christ yeah
1:10:27
incredible um even though I was just saying that I want army set army sets to
1:10:32
die um I really really like and again I did say
1:10:39
my opinion wavers depending on if I like the army or not i really liked the uh soulbrite soul blight grave lord army
1:10:47
set ah but then it's 145 quid and I just haven't been able to warrant the uh the
1:10:54
expenditure for a game that realistically I won't play um but I love
1:11:01
all the miniatures in that box when it came out I was like you know what i think this is the one that will tip me
1:11:06
over the edge i think it still is um and but they they just look
1:11:13
phenomenal still it's still if I'm ever going to get tipped over into Age of Sigmar it's still Cities of Sigmar for
1:11:20
me i still bloody love everything in that bloody box it's amazing and what you know what makes it worse is the fact
1:11:26
that people keep going and knocking it out the park with painting things out of that box even now you know in the Golden
1:11:31
Demon like I was like I really like that box and then you know and it just sort of it sort of peted out and I was like
1:11:37
yeah it was cool but I'm all right and then Blum and Ninja went and smashed it out the park with um last at Adepticon
1:11:43
last year didn't he last year yeah last year and he was like "All right okay now that's amazing." And then there was that
1:11:48
other chap whose name I can't remember knocked out the park with the um with the Citizen Sigmar Marshall that looks a
1:11:55
little bit like me and he did it Mo oh I didn't see that was it It was the
1:12:02
one that when Neil came on the show he came in going there's this guy who works for T's Water and he Yeah and he really
1:12:08
knocked it out the park with a really beautiful beautiful blended green cloak on it was really really nice i think um
1:12:15
Andy's as well and with the the horse like it like on a carved piece of wood
1:12:20
with the leaves and then he's took the model off the horse and he's basically put like four heads which is lovely i've
1:12:26
got to admit and Andy Ward is the only person who has painted a miniature or
1:12:32
has painted multiple miniatures now that actually make you have or make me have
1:12:37
feelings and emotions like I look at and no other like everything else I look at and I'm like that looks cool that looks
1:12:43
cool when you look at Andy's stuff especially the last two and yeah you get a proper like oh wow like cuz he did the
1:12:51
he did the uh the woods elf healing the uh the deer the healing heart or
1:12:56
something called and he does you're right he has he he he manages to basically paint an illustration from a
1:13:03
book doesn't he yeah into a miniature you know and I think there's story beyond story there like you a lot of the
1:13:09
time it's like well what's the story has he just come from a battle has he done this and you do that but yeah Andy's the
1:13:14
one that the only one that makes you go right what is he feeling like and you're like [ __ ] yeah this is he has a very he
1:13:21
has he don't get me wrong he can be do really bold and quite aggressive looking um eldar but he also has a really a
1:13:28
really um light touch as well doesn't he which I think you know yeah so what are
1:13:33
we so we're just doing one then are we cuz do as many as you like shoddy i know i also I also really love Goblins on
1:13:41
Wolves a Goblins on Wolves goblins on Wolves was one of my choices as well uh the Goblin Cavalry Snalpack Cavalry
1:13:48
they're called yeah so I really liked the I They were in my choice of five i thought they were really good um I want
1:13:55
to know the other the other four well the other my phone's just died which is really convenient um so uh it so I'm now
1:14:02
being a bit sketchy i do apologize which is the uh the Lord Marshall for the on
1:14:08
the horse i think it was like Lord Marshall Drea I think his name is I thought was really nice them uh Goblin Cavalry I thought
1:14:17
were fantastic yeah uh then I also really liked from Horus
1:14:24
Heresy i liked uh the new admech tank
1:14:30
you know with a big scoop oh yeah he's got all three variants of them the one with the missile racks the one that
1:14:36
looks like it's from Return to Oz yeah it's got missile racks coming off the top of it at an angle i've never never
1:14:41
liked that tank haven't you not i've never liked that film oh that
1:14:47
tank it looks like it like the one that looks like it's a quarter pipe at the front yeah i'm like if that was in a
1:14:53
Tony Hawk I'll be like "Oh Warhammer sponsored Tony Tony Hawk." There's there's a diarama where an offduty
1:15:00
admech just just oing on the Yeah yeah you like "Oh sick he's doing him a
1:15:05
twist." Has somebody already done like one of the orcs that's like got his foot up like that and then like done a
1:15:12
skateboard um and then also from Horus Heresy Admeck that bloody great big
1:15:17
robot oh yeah i had the name on me phone the
1:15:22
Thanar sorry is it a Thanitar that one that's the baby that's such a brilliant
1:15:28
model that to me looks more necrodery in a way but I see what you It's not the I
1:15:33
love the vibe if I ever was ever to step into Horus Heresy it would be to do Admeck um and then the final one as well
1:15:40
which I just thought were very on point for looking Empress Children and Slash
1:15:45
was I really like the flawless blades i thought they were really nice the three with the big swords like the really long
1:15:50
heads they I just thought Yeah seemed like they were the most
1:15:55
um maybe controversial is the wrong word but Sunishi no I like people they like
1:16:02
the mom they were like a very I thought they were I they were easily my favorite
1:16:08
out of the release um I haven't really like those releases interestingly I
1:16:13
think it was the the paint jobs not the quality of it but like the colors as I said before I think Horus Heresy Empress
1:16:20
Children I think are so purple so much cooler yeah but that was they were my favorite rather than the pink that was
1:16:27
my favorite stuff of the year pink but like a surprising amount of black yes it goes well together i mean it does it
1:16:33
does and I'm not I like that solid which was that that solid Empress Children color of just the pink with the black
1:16:40
the with the black uh livery around it i thought was just really cool purple's so hard to paint and get good like and
1:16:46
highlight like how do you highlight purple do you highlight it with pink or violet or it's a hard one to do don't
1:16:53
they um don't they for Horus Heresy don't do the Emperor's Children silver and then put a pink then put
1:17:01
a then put a a purple over the top of them to give them that metallic shine i don't know oh I thought that was more um
1:17:08
your I am Alfarious dudes but like blue yeah or bluey green yeah what's What
1:17:16
have you liked this year then i have one like I've got others i do like other models i'm not that miserable but I've got one standout model that I can't
1:17:23
pronounce uh ass you are men oh as your men so you
1:17:32
know the the eldar guy who's like gun behind him sword out the blue dude the
1:17:38
blue dude with the the banner well that guy that guy who's that confident that
1:17:43
I'm carrying a flag of me that's him yeah and I don't know if you've heard of me but I'm kind of a big deal there was
1:17:50
the incredible meme from Hot Fuzz of where James Bond Timothy Dalton stands
1:17:57
in front of the picture of himself and pulls exactly the same yeah and and there's there's those two side by side
1:18:03
it's like him in hot fuzz with the picture and then blue dude and it's like same energy yeah yeah i haven't seen
1:18:10
that i love it i absolutely love I love that model not like that i've got
1:18:16
personal connection to that model because it was the model I wanted to enter years ago in Young Bloodoods and for reason
1:18:23
yeah like [Laughter]
1:18:29
these are useful um but yeah I wanted to enter it but you know my mate proper chickened
1:18:34
out cuz you know social anxiety bastard so I've got it as well now [ __ ] everyone has um but yeah years ago so it
1:18:41
was like don't want to Yeah exactly so I painted it got it it was dead good like
1:18:46
I've not got it anymore but I promise you it was the best painted miniature by me an 11year-old ever uh but I can't
1:18:55
show it to you so I'll paint a tribute um but yeah this has nostalgia for me
1:19:00
when I first looked at it and I saw the chin and the mouth I was like And then I looked back at the original model and
1:19:07
then I looked at this and I was like "No that's better that is better." Like every It's ever just so slightly tweaked
1:19:14
in all the right ways and I'm just like "Yeah that that says LAR it says um HD
1:19:21
remake hd remake it's got nostalgia everything about that model is like the
1:19:28
modern version of my childhood right there so that so I have to give it to that um it is still boxed at home i'm
1:19:37
terrified to break it or not paint it well enough like I actually have is
1:19:42
there something you can get before PTSD like like post-traumatic stress disorder
1:19:49
pre-traumatic stress pre-traumatic stress disorder that I'm like I am so intimidated that I'm going to knack that
1:19:56
I'm going to ruin and I know I could buy another one but I'd just be disappointed in myself did you watch the video from
1:20:03
Squidmar of Neil Hollis painting that oh is that what he painted they did one where they gave they gave three of them
1:20:10
different amounts of money yeah yeah and they gave Neil Hollis $10 to paint it and what he did was he
1:20:19
saw Neil He went into a hobby shop and he loaded a wet pallet up what we
1:20:25
just did yeah i saw I saw a brilliant comment and I I chose to read it in kind
1:20:32
of a sarcastic manner and it was like "Oh typical Neil bending the rules again." Um yeah we let's we don't talk about
1:20:40
that yeah I've still got a wound somewhere here that that's that's I think we can all agree that one gave us
1:20:46
all PTSD uh yeah we've learned we've learned that's why we don't have guests
1:20:51
anymore we don't have him anymore yeah exactly which I said to him last year when I when he was um last year when he
1:20:58
was at uh uh Spiel and I said to him I said you know I you know I think the
1:21:04
world of you don't you and he went "Yeah." And I went "But I've just got to tell you now you know if you even pick up the Slayer suddenly." He went "Yeah
1:21:09
I'm not having you back on the show." And he went "It's all right not coming back." Like "Fair fair." Yeah but h Yeah
1:21:16
that's a nice choice it's a lovely model i think that's a that's a Lean model isn't it or he was definitely part of
1:21:22
the team probably got a serious looking rock on it it's got It's got a rock on it so I'm
1:21:28
gonna go with that i I This is the thing you don't know who's done what now do you so and I don't want to quote and get
1:21:33
it wrong if there's uh somebody else out there who has sculpted it but whoever the sculptor is probably Laam he's on a
1:21:40
rock but whoever it is [ __ ] amazing thank you thank you round of applause for that one yeah that that is a lovely
1:21:46
minute we didn't applaud any others so we didn't right one right then how long
1:21:52
have we been going for shall we long enough long enough shall we because it's warm in here and it's It is so hot and I
1:21:59
wouldn't mind seeing The Last of Us before it goes to bed oh yeah oh I can't cuz my my wife and daughter's in bed
1:22:04
great show though it's been getting It's been getting some heat do you know what i'm enjoying it review bombed and stuff
1:22:11
not review bomb but it's like the there's a few jokes in it because of the orientation of the main character and
1:22:17
there's a few things especially last week where it went into a few like it went in a little bit more into that side
1:22:24
of like in exploring Ellie's sexuality and that sort of thing you mean just like it did in the game just like it did
1:22:30
in the game like probably it went a little bit further but they actually they told some they joked I don't want
1:22:37
to say what but they joked around it and it used to be like ah yeah that was quite it was quite amusing what Ellie
1:22:43
said as a character but no people are like oh this is pushing an agenda and I'm like oh I I really really I've only
1:22:51
I've seen season one I haven't seen season two I haven't played the game but I kind of vaguely know what happens but
1:22:57
I think one of my favorite episodes in season one was kind of where the Joel uh No no my favorite episode in season one
1:23:03
of The Last of Us uh was the episode with um the guy with
1:23:09
the beers who made two gay guys that wasn't in the game no it was yeah that's a good point nobody winged
1:23:16
like there were winges wasn't it that was good nick
1:23:21
Offerman [ __ ] brilliant nick Offerman is he's such an exceptional dude um like
1:23:29
my opinion of him from what I understand of him is is incredibly high uh he's a wonderful actor and and a very nice
1:23:35
human being as well um so just that story um I thought was lovely like
1:23:40
regardless I didn't really care what I liked about what I like about The Last of Us sometimes is it changes things around or it takes things out from the
1:23:47
game or it puts things in but what I like ultimately is that all the things still match like we're going in the same
1:23:54
journey yeah like when when they went to the university in season one yes and they got there and the fireflies were
1:24:00
all gone all dead which I can't remember and then they come outside and I'm sorry if it's a spoiler if you haven't watched season one i'm going to make I'm going
1:24:07
to say something but they come outside and Joel gets stabbed yeah yeah yeah well in the game you went into that you
1:24:13
went into that university your fourth rag is against a load of bandits and you come outside and he got stabbed and I go
1:24:18
"So yeah they took all of the because you can't just make 45 minutes of combat." They tried that in the Doom
1:24:25
movie and it just got so they so they they went they went in everyone's gone
1:24:31
come outside stabbed and you go all right so we've lost a big chunk of combat and action but ultimately the
1:24:36
story has still at in that episode ended up in the right place as it would have been in the game what the only bit I didn't like about that in the first
1:24:42
season is in the game it felt like it was weeks later when you then saw Ellie taking care of Joel whereas in the TV
1:24:50
show it was like oh yeah two days later he was literally mortally ill at one moment and then it was the real shock in
1:24:56
the game wasn't it is he was injured and then the game goes to win cuz it each it broke itself up in seasons of the year
1:25:03
okay and when it went win because even in the game you could tell the different seasons cuz they're wearing more or less
1:25:09
clothes yeah and then it went winter and then when it introduced winter it
1:25:15
was Ellie hunting a deer in the sky and you've never play And you've never played Ellie at that up to that point
1:25:23
and it was like is he dead is he you know and it kept you on for just a little while it kept you on center and I
1:25:32
just thought how well written the game was but that showed you like the growth of Ellie going from little girl to
1:25:38
survivalist whereas in the game it was just like in the TV show it was just like Joel's mortally ill oh he's had
1:25:44
some penicellin 2 hours later he's mowing down people and rescuing her it's like that didn't that's no show show the
1:25:51
growth but I think the only thing with season 2 is I and I don't think this is unfair i don't I don't think the jokes
1:25:58
her making about her sexuality and around her sexuality and they they they even point out rainbows at one point and
1:26:05
like what are these all about i don't I don't get it because I like the irony of that they don't I I like the irony of
1:26:11
having a gay character not understanding what rainbows were right and I thought was quite cool i thought it was quite
1:26:16
cool um but but she she I don't think she can carry the season and I don't I
1:26:22
don't think well well if you go with the game she doesn't if we go with the game she won't have to carry the season will
1:26:28
she maybe not because you'll if it does goes the same way as the game somebody else will carry half that will carry
1:26:35
some of the season or will maybe carry most of season three I which is how I'd
1:26:40
like to see it play play I don't know um final one though just quickly he's up to
1:26:45
date with Andor Yeah no oh my good do you know what is it still good it's the
1:26:51
best season two and this is the end of it
1:26:57
three more episodes left that come out tomorrow do you know what i'm going to change it then from Do you know what I
1:27:03
I've got to be honest even though season 1 was I hate using this term
1:27:09
slow but I'm going to go with I'm not going to say slow i'm going to So season one was
1:27:15
intelligently paced is the term I'm going to use um when I got into season
1:27:21
two I think because how good the trailer had been and then because I'd had a slow paced season 1 I was expecting season 2
1:27:28
to be and then the way it started I was like we're off and then it slowed right
1:27:33
down yeah and I was like I was I was hoping that this one would be the one that was like you you took your time
1:27:40
with season one and season two would be the payoff and there's bits of it was going "Oh this is slow." And then you
1:27:45
but as you just go with it you realize that that slow pace was massively important to expand the story branches
1:27:53
you know you know when you go I want can someone please for the love of God can
1:27:58
someone shoot a [ __ ] Stormtrooper and but you know you stick with it and
1:28:05
you go oh do you know what this is actually really really well paced and then just little things like there's a
1:28:11
whole it gives nothing away scene at a wedding between two major characters
1:28:17
over discussing another character and it's so just the pair of them are both
1:28:23
yeah darting around what they one's saying this thing's got to happen and the other one's going I don't know what
1:28:30
we're going to do about this situation the other one's going I know exactly what we're going to do about this situation and it's so brilliantly
1:28:36
two people dancing around a subject where one knows one thing and the other one doesn't know anything yes and it's
1:28:41
really really good it's so well the dialogue is very clever i I feel like with Andor um immediately from season 1
1:28:49
um where Sirill's boss is saying like "Oh they're at a strip club which we're
1:28:55
not supposed to have the expensive one which they're not supposed to be able to afford." Yeah um cuz And like kills them
1:29:02
or whatever um and then it was just like "Oh have them die doing something heroic
1:29:08
and kind of a mundane kind of way." And just that line is just so human um and
1:29:13
for me is it's all about those character things like the overarching like I
1:29:18
really like Dedra and Sirill i think they're amazing and the character moments that they have are Do you know
1:29:24
what I loved in it in there is a a scene in it of uh of people coming together to
1:29:29
become an army and and but they have like an amnesty where they've all like these rogues and scoundrels and all have
1:29:36
all turned up and put their had to put their guns on a table and one of the one of the people picks the gun up and it's
1:29:42
the best line ever cuz especially I don't want to know don't tell me oh no you know the line the line's great isn't
1:29:48
it it's a great line i've never heard someone refer say a line like that but I just thought it was just clever yeah
1:29:55
you're making me want to watch it that's great it's really great uh episode 8 is Don't tell me no no no this I can tell
1:30:02
you episode 8 is in the top 10 highest reviewed TV episodes of all time really
1:30:08
it is very good yeah yeah it's very very very strong better than Ahsoka ashoka i
1:30:13
really liked Ahsoka when I watched it I wanted to i could take it or leave it i liked Ahsoka i I thought she kind of
1:30:20
stood around and did a lot of that i thought Ahsoka was better than Obi-Wan and I thought Ahsoka was better than
1:30:25
Acolyte i did not like Obi-Wan no I really I wasn't I like Obi-Wan in parts
1:30:31
it was part of it I thought it was really great and other parts of it I was just like like a little girl being chased by the Red Hot Chili Peppers was
1:30:36
a bit weird did not did not didn't I just it wasn't needed i didn't need the
1:30:42
bridge between what happened after I I feel like it was nice that it exists um
1:30:48
I just didn't quite get into it i feel like Andor is something that I've connected with in a way that I haven't
1:30:54
in a long time with Star Wars yeah I think it's great i can't not since the last good Star Wars hoping the last I'm
1:31:02
hoping the last three episodes are strong because I think it's been like I
1:31:07
say I was a bit like even I my wife was going and you know and she's a you know she's a really bright woman and she
1:31:13
really got on board with andor season one but she was a bit like is this going anywhere and I was a little bit
1:31:18
defending it going you know from season one that it they paced themselves and she was going I know and then I sort of
1:31:26
defended it but in my inside I was going I feel a bit like this Oh yeah halfway through the season and you go all of
1:31:32
that slow pace was worth it cuz it's Yes it's all now paying off and all these
1:31:37
things I feel like andor is best watched like binged yeah and then but I love the
1:31:44
way they've been releasing it three episodes per week and I'm very glad that they've done that cuz I think sometimes it's it's like when you have one of
1:31:51
those slow episodes it's like they need to do it to get everything in place i get it but if if that was just that
1:31:56
episode on just that week I'd be like "Oh [ __ ] come on." Whereas now I go
1:32:01
"Fucking come on." Next episode yeah in episodes um in episodes uh three four or
1:32:08
five and uh no um seven eight nine seven was quite slow yes and then eight
1:32:16
really paid off of it and then nine felt like the devastation of what happened in eight and sort of put everything into
1:32:21
place and then ended on a nice little Yeah returning character moment that worked out really well yeah so it was
1:32:27
good yeah i've been really I've really enjoyed it and I'm I feel I'm going to be a little bit emotionally bereft when
1:32:33
it finishes when it finishes well day after tomorrow oh is that is that the
1:32:38
end so I best get started then i should be on good time i'll see if Emma wants to watch it and Yeah it is it is really
1:32:43
good you know what I like about Andor is it's almost standalone sci-fi almost yeah it needs to be cuz connected to the
1:32:49
rest of it it got me thinking though what was the last good Star Wars film not so you can't say Solo though because
1:32:54
that one's obviously um so great i like Solo so yeah Solo i don't think Solo
1:33:00
deserves great Star Wars hate well last great Star Wars movie for me is Rogue One yeah same yeah i think Rogue One's
1:33:07
my third favorite Star Wars movie of all time rogue One was an interesting one for me cuz I think when it originally came out I was like it's okay but then
1:33:14
maybe my standards have changed because I thought the the new sort of you know sequel trilogy just um Empire a new hope
1:33:23
Rogue One yeah i think Yeah yeah i think that's that's probably mine as well to be fair
1:33:28
um I'm so glad do you know what I do love as well and it's given on the way because you've seen him already in andor
1:33:34
and it didn't come to any conclusion god you've got to give it to how uh to uh
1:33:39
Forest Whitaker how utterly off his tits he can play that character is he Is he Is he back cuz he's in Jedi out not Jedi
1:33:48
Jedi Survivor as well yeah yeah yeah yeah what's his name again sera saw
1:33:53
Guerrera that's him he's such he's always been such a good actor he was great in I want to say
1:33:59
everything inside man yeah everything every film inside man or No he's not no um Safe Room
1:34:07
yeah safe room yeah david Finch yeah jodyie Foster jody Foster brilliant all right ghost Dog Way of the Samurai is my
1:34:14
Forest Whitaker recommendation very good excellent but yeah loving Andor yeah it's very good cool there's my homework
1:34:21
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