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Are Death Guard Really That BAD?!
Jun 26, 2023
This week we chat about the incoming drop of 10th edition and some of the rules that are currently out. As a Death Guard player Geoff leads us through some of the "interesting" choices being made for the faction. Join our Patreon: https://patreon.com/thepaintingphase Merch: https://thepaintingphase.creator-spring.com Help Support the channel with our affiliate links: UK & EU: https://affiliates.waylandgames.co.uk/idevaffiliate.php?id=1214 UK: https://elementgames.co.uk/?d=10835 EUROPE: https://taschengelddieb.de/?affiliate=tpp US: use code paintingphase to get 10% off at https://www.goblinshut.com/ We Print Miniatures: https://weprintminiatures.com/thepaintingphase THEPAINTINGPHASE for 10% off Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/thepaintingphase/ https://www.instagram.com/__peachy_tips__/ https://www.instagram.com/geoffsavory/ https://www.instagram.com/pileofshamepaints/ Where we get our music:
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we are going hello the peachy oh it's me isn't it yeah
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um hey Pat hello you're Pat I just edited I forgot
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to edit to myself as well sorry I in my head I was just like yeah Jeff goes next um but uh it's I'm just thrown by not
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having a guest star again no let me go even more downhill special
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yeah yeah and this is Jeff and I'm Jeff yeah there we go fantastic took the wins out of me sales of my
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hello I'm Jeff from you're listening to 92 FM oh coming in your ears yep there
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you go again [Laughter]
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no I make them if they're not supposed to go in that's that's that's my that's the dog as my doctor once said you're
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not meant to put anything smaller than that not don't put anything bigger than your elbow in your ear and you fit your elbow in your ear that's that's exactly
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the whole point because I was like that's a big year I mean little dinkies no lobes no he's quite
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clever because then you go hang on and you go yeah there you go don't put it in your ear yeah fair enough I'm glad you
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said your ear because it sounds like I said something else yeah oh yeah yeah it's anyway how are we doing chaps are
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we all right all good yes bit warm bit I've noticed a few comments on some of
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our videos going why is peaching a jumper that was done before yeah that was that was before that mad
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now I'm good good just a bit sweaty from the weekend yeah fair fair dug out today
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so I'm a little bit better I wish I could have had time to go back home and have yet another shower and then come
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back out again yes yeah I mean are you setting up the room I've been like yeah it's okay actually it's a bit cooler
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today it's all right and now that I've sat down and there's three of us in here and the lights are on my computer's on
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and I'm just like kill me kill me socks
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Honestly though on my bike sometimes my socks are so weird I'm peeling the
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Leathers off no it's horrid it's hard it's saved up your only fans page I should do that yeah yeah yeah yeah you
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just be like this is just actual just fans just called again yeah if there was if there was like a magic
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Peach film instead of like you know you don't you don't have to be Channing Tatum you don't have to be ripped and
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have loads of rip mates you just get on a motorbike in summer in leathers and then the show is just you peeling them
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off at the end yeah yeah yeah it takes ages and people would be like that I think I'll just go and get
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another one for the bar tell me tell me if any moves another sense it means on the legs
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still struggling it's all part of the experience when you see a magic Peach show
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Warhammer yeah so a few things have happened since we've last talked as the three yeah yeah
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we've had Gary Morley we've had Richard Gray yeah uh we had Dave mini war game Dave yeah
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um but we have been to the Expo which we'll probably talk about a bit but we also started streaming which is yeah fun
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yeah nice to go back to that old way of yeah how did from sorry I've just
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interrupted you when you're probably going to explain what I was gonna ask what's that what's that been like it's
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been great coming back to it yeah yeah okay I'm gonna I'm gonna add it to me
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insight you're like the Droid from the Old
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Republic that just like comments what kind of a phrase he's going to use sarcastic for talk oh yeah yeah
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insights yeah um oh is he HK 47 yeah yeah I love it he
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calls everyone meat bags yes yes I would have just murdered him Master yes such a
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baddie now it was really nice and lots of uh old fake like I say faces uh names
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uh handles twitch handles uh have returned so I've seen all those folks back on the older twitch first I want to
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say Twitter first that's so it's very different um but yeah it's been really nice just doing it doing the old hangout Hobbies
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um weirdly Workshop stop doing those their their loss is our gained I guess
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yeah absolutely um so yeah it's good to get back into it from my point of view and from what we've witnessed people are
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enjoying it as well so yeah apart from the skullit uh Skillet Gates is yeah oh
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The Scholar train poster was a thing of whoever the genius that was yeah and
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when I just seen it I just glanced I went oh that's cool and then when I realized it was literally the bullet trained yeah poster on all I had with
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all of our faces in there
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honestly some of you out there just far too clever for your uncle and faster yeah yeah
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it's phenomenal as we were talking about it like going yeah if we get a thousand subscribers I was like brother brother I
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was a good Emperor for the year yeah no same as well
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there was viewers that start to bite them for other people yeah yeah just to do it yeah absolutely oh God
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have you broached the subject with uh I did straight after uh she was like okay
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you're gonna wear a hat though right I was like well yeah because I don't want to go to school looking like that do it
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that would be like the idea certain time you know we're in about a month's time potentially we go hopefully not like
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last year but we could be back up to them late 30s early for late 30s sort of temperatures yeah they'll be peachy with
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the woolies yeah I mean what I might do is Sport a uh Stephen a girl ponytail it
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gets so long oh did he yeah yeah oh yeah yeah his ponytail some like sports sport
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you need to get yourself to hide it is it and it'll be good for the sun you get yourself one of them french fried Legion cafes oh yeah
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oh I could just wait on the back where my salad at home I could wear myself yeah it's the helmet I've got that has
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the device that lifts up oh right okay perfectly normal on the school room I
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think it would if I'm in steel steel armor walking down I'm just like yes um do it I'm an actor I'm just yeah
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in a Tewkesbury uh man at Arms he's so people people will walk past you and go
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that's peachy he's so method [Laughter] yeah so we'll see how that goes I know
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it takes me ages to to grow my hair I've never actually grown my hair longer than probably a few inches anyway so I don't
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know what that I've never had long hair all right okay I have yeah me too
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made the remark Where She Went that and that it's all a bit much
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we like Hagrid the very much for us oh crikey look like
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with a ponytail um I don't have pictures of me with a ponytail but uh I used to have long hair
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like past my shoulders when I was sort of like like doing more climbing and young and stupid oh you Chuck Norris
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Vibes checked a little bit too many buttons just too many just just a little bit too
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much really tight Levi's cowboy boots
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I see um they've I think we've just dressed him yeah that was enough to the show
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subscribers Pat grows his hair and dresses loads of photographs of Pat with one leg
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and yeah that could be the new calendar as well so Warhammer yeah I was just gonna say
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they've they've there's a remake of like uh Texas Ranger like TV series
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but I feel like in they're trying to approach I just
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kind of leave that open it gets a bit of air coming through yeah see what happens
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um that because he obviously old school he's like yeah I'm a Texas Ranger and
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I'm gonna punch and kick people because they're baddies yeah whereas now he kind of does that a little bit but then
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they're also like come on Mr Texas Ranger discount Chuck Norris you can't
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just punch people it's 20 23 and then it's like so what's the point of this show
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um and I just didn't get into it uh like the 18 with no cabbage guns oh yeah yeah maybe it's to show like sometimes
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violence isn't the answer and that's the new Avenue to go down is talk yeah
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yeah you use your words Chuck use your words yeah yeah it's like no I remember
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again massive Segway watching a couple of uh Judge John deed with Martin sure
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in it oh yeah uh Martin Shaw was he in the professional so as a judge you don't expect him to go
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solving crimes but he would do that and he would punch and kick people this is
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like and this is like and then says
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I was expecting roundhouse kicks and stuff like that where that didn't happen but you know I have to talk about round those kicks and I thought it's there for
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only a certain age category but you know they've not that long ago had the the Jedi game Jedi Survivor yes well you can
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have uh you can give your the cow character a loads of different haircuts oh yeah and there is a trophy that my
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son got the other day and he went I don't understand the name of this trophy if you give
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um the character or mullet yeah and then do whilst having a mother to pull off a a a
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um oh is it Roadhouse yeah pull off a pull off a double foot kick the trophy's called a Roadhouse
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genius for a nine-year-old going some YouTube find the trailer for Roadhouse show me
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yeah and he went down like but I just thought that's a
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genius because that's blatantly there for people who you know the wrong side of 40. yeah you love me because I I love Road house and I think to myself why is
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it so good like Patrick Swayze they're like they're like yeah we've got this
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really rough bar and we need a really tough bouncer to deal with it all and he's like you're right then but let me
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get my mate who's like old and can't really walk and and it's random feuds
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and of course there's a girl there as well and it's like like none of it needs to happen which I guess is the beauty of
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it it's hard to believe it was an actual dance though as well oh you put it I think you can see it in his martial arts look a little bit fancy at times
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but the thing that gets me is like we need the toughest guy available who turns up in the blousiest of men's
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shirts I'm not buying tough guy with that shirt
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I always used to like the Van Damme brown nose kicks because it wasn't just one roundhouse kick it was a
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cooler than the slow-mo yeah I always liked how they have to
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squeeze in every Jean-Claude Van Damme movie had reason a good excuse for them splits yeah yeah do you remember the one
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in time cop when the uh the Water the electricity is it the water in the kitchen yeah I know he's going to be
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electrocuted so he has to do the splits across the team they cross the two egg tops in the kitchen it's almost 10 years
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but it did the job it did it yeah I don't know if he got down like but it did the job yeah it's my Sensational
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um it's a generation of movies I don't think we'll ever see again no or remake I mean obviously you can watch them again because they're on videos and they
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exist but yes I told you to know that I showed Isaac um I showed Isaac predator and he just thought it was ridiculous
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because Isaac obviously does nothing is ridiculous about that documentary
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because he's because he does airsoft but because he's because he he's grown up on a generation of movies which are all
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about how to do things with Weaponry to the absolute perfection yeah yeah you know the John Wicks you know the the the
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the reloads are almost exciting as the fights are yes and then you know and then he's watching predator and Arnie's
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firing that M16 from the hip and my son's going why isn't he looking down the sights because
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biceps don't look as good if they're in the shoulder no no no exactly yeah yeah
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it just sucked it and he literally went to your buddy Boots the door open it went knock knock my sons are yeah I mean
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like yeah and they're very critical impale someone with a knife and he's like just stick around yeah oh yeah yeah
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so many good quotes the one that got me as well don't talk about cynic I put aliens on for him and um he did this
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thing we know that bit where they're all being briefed yeah and they're all being briefed in the uh in the Docking Bay on
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the uh and they're all being gobshites and one thing or another and my son said to me when's this set and I went I said
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I think it's about 150 years in the future so it may be around about something like that and he just went
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why is the standard Soldier dropped so horrendously and then you know when it started they know when the loads and get
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killed very quickly don't they yeah and he just looked at me and went as if to go I'm not surprised
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yeah he's got a valid point yeah did he just look at you and go game over indeed
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father this is what happens if you don't know how professionals down yeah yeah okay
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right we are going to do war hammer we are going to do war hammer so points have been released yes I have seemed to
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have accidentally joined the death guard subreddit or how close to taking your own life are yet must be pretty close
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well so I mean I I was like I had like I've been joining a few subreddit it's just for some painting inspiration being
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like you know I've got some death guard and I'm quite Keen to paint some at some stage get some inspiration from people
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that are better than me um and every single post that I see is uh how narratively the the rules are
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wrong yes um and now that the points have come out and they're really wrong and they're
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really wrong and then there's posts about how your anger is super Justified and then there's posts moaning about
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people moaning and it's just incomplete there's possible people moaning about people Mona they were then moaning about
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other people modem oh my God I mean yeah it's it's getting quite insane
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um and I've I've never had um there is a new addition since I yeah
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like got into uh like Warhammer really so is it is it always like this and then
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specifically it's it's like this more because it's a clean slate yeah because eighth eighth bled very much into ninth
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okay yeah and you know and and it was it shifted about but not horrendously but
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this is I personally hold out hope is the fact that they've just done a complete Clean Slate some armies are
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looking far stronger than others okay I think what will happen is depend you know the tournament scene will start on
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this very soon yeah and if things are really getting their ass kicked they've still got codexes to write so things
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will be adjusted I think this is a very simplified point system just to get
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everything running and I think as time goes on things will sort themselves up but there is stupid things if you're
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going to be coming if you if you don't read any redness and you've thought about stardom death guards
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did some very strange things um they've done a very simplified thing is knowing the way you used to be able
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to play it say we'll take death guard plague Marines used to play by the Marine so you could go out field a
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minimum of five and I can field six seven eight nine ten points or power we buy a point yeah yeah you just go and
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what they've done now is they've gone plague Marines common fives or plague Marines common in tens okay so they're
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this many points or they're that many points because that's what they do with the power that's exactly what to do with the power and this is what they've basically done they've sort of slightly
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read they well mildly redress power as points the problem being is they've gone plague Marines and fives are plague
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Marines and tens and plague Marines in the box come in sevens [Music]
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yeah yeah the ridiculousness I understand it's so much better now
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oh I'm so sorry another another brilliant one you ready
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um you ready I don't know either this one is this one everyone was convinced was a typo but then they looked at the
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points in the calculation the points was correct was um for black Samplers uh play guard
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veterans uh not uh sword Brethren yes so Brethren uh you can field them out of
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the box you can make four or five or you can make four and then you can make a castellan which is they're very
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variational like telling them to lead them yeah or you can have nine and a castellan yeah ten okay or under the new
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ones you can come in at 11. [Music] and we're sold in boxes of five
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why why and no one knows no one can because everyone was going I should ask just a typo that's a one when it should
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be a zero because I'm like maybe I couldn't say if it was seven right because you get like 500 bucks then
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three in the indominus box there that covers that because they did that with retributors for age of Sigma yeah
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minimum unit sizes three maximum was I think it was 15. so you can have like three boxes I could be wrong someone
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could correct me with that but the the minimum size were definitely what was the age of Sigma box it and then
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obviously boxes of five will come out but that just doesn't bizarre isn't it make any sense see what they're gonna if
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they if this is the way forward and when we get to the codexes I've got to be honest I'm trying to be The Optimist I think when codex has land yeah and I
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think you know it only won't be that long be a couple of months on Space Marine lands and then I think once that lands and they might see that Space
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Marines are individually pointed instead of just five or tens um
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I I think I think if every box of Marines was either sold of all flavors and shades of Marines be them
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um Imperium or chaos if the assault in five sauce hands I it would be it'd be a no-brainer but when you sell them in
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sevens yeah and it's also apparently happened to your gang as well apparently custodies are in a weird space with
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regards to how many box faces how many people I'll just stop paying the money just wait it out well you know come the
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spaceman contacts it might you might go all right now we've got the ability to have a more complex book instead of just data cards in a sleeve which is what
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it's going on yeah yeah maybe it'll balance itself out and tournaments yet again May balance it out even further
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but right now for a for a few people um especially would mainly seem and more
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obvious to me because I am a death guard player it looks like the the world is slightly on fire at the moment yeah and
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they've had really they've had things done to them that have been corrected like they they you know one point in
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time the the the the um Terminators went all the way down to a movement of four right and then they
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pushed them to a movement of five and now they've took them back down to four again and and it's just they they are
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they've been it looks at the moment almost the point where it feels a bit personal you go did someone write these who really doesn't like them yeah yeah
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yeah I mean I'm sure that's not the point because you know ultimately they're selling models and they want to sell all models don't they yeah yeah so
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but uh it does at the moment look a little bit like well I mean going back to my experiences in the in the studio
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there was a few writers that would pick on his that were their favorites and treat them with such
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sort of levity that they would get all the best special rules and then when you come to play they're like oh we've done
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this rule set for this faction uh can we play testing you like certain such as written the sound we
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haven't they because everything's just super hard and amazing it's like that's not balanced imagine that time when
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you're not I know you will never not collect anything other than these but imagine that one time you're not collecting them yeah you've still got to
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play against these yeah absolutely and it's that kind of like disconnect that sometimes people get a bit too in I'm
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not saying that's what's happened for sure but um I've seen it before it won't surprise me if it's happened from the flip side
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almost like I hate death guard I mean granted if I was a writer Knight to write rules for Tower I'd make them absolutely toss I'm joking I would be
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fair I've been tossed before I don't need to be fair no make sure you could use like Imperials in there as well so you can have gifts
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the human auxiliary the human auxiliary yeah yeah but that's mad but oh yeah
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there's just some strange things going on so everyone's a little bit everyone's quite upset at the moment and this is
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definitely like facts that have come through oh yeah oh yeah it's literally watch out you can you know you could you could pull it all up on
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yeah and then also things like the thing they were always well known for was feel no pain and now they're given feel no
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pain I was left right and Center like sweets to the hole everybody but not to the death card yeah yeah oh because that
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was I think something I saw they're either talking about feel no pain or disgusting resilience resilience yeah
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um and that's in a bit of a weird place as well trust and resilience that we used to be that yeah because the idea
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that them being this bloated masses yeah the idea was if you put damage on the damage would always be reduced by one to
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a minimum of one you know so um and that's been taken away from them and they seems like that again seems to
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be getting handed out so there's a real possibility in me my Imperial Guard being units of nine and getting feel no
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pain yeah
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and there is a way of correcting it is there's this very weird little sprue which is three death guard reinforcement
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Miniatures which cost the air for some weird reason just three Miniatures they're unique
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um and there's this weird little sprue of them and I don't know whether this is an idea is that they're going you know instead of constantly trying to sell
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that's brew and it's not going anywhere maybe let's just start is that one of the easy to build sets no it's not it's
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just this weird little set that's just got three Miniatures in it and it's it's I don't even know where it ever started
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life it's just goth three and they're not the ones from the darkened period yeah and they're not in the in the
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plague Marine box though but if you had seven plus three he's ten and you know yeah because there was that box of like
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threes to build plague Marines and like so many plague bears but I've not played very pox walkers but I can't remember if
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they were just retooled versions ones from the original no there's one or weirdly there's an eagle there's an
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eggling on it carrying a big stick weirdly it's a really odd little set it's nice to me you know they're they're
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playing played Marines to me you know yeah yeah you know so the only difference is how many tentacles they've got you know
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but they generally but it but I think are they gonna have to start is the idea that they're gonna try and go running
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over me we've got loads of these to start sticking them in the box with the others I don't know yeah or welcome the
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codes actually all correct itself if the idea at the moment is to make a problem solved you got your box of seven just
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add those three yeah yeah yeah that's what I'm thinking
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will need to rebuild but you you know but other than that but you just looked at it and you went you know you're
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trying to get everybody on sides with a clean slate and that's not the way to do it is it yeah no yeah I guess so I it
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seems like yeah death guard players are the are the main ones yeah they seem to be well the ones that I'm most aware of
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because I'm in them groups being a death guard player yes adapters mechanical surviving a bit of a
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tough time of it as well but I don't know enough to comment I've just they've had an interesting time of it because like when they got their codex in ninth
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they were like unbeatable utterly amazing for about a month and then they they nerfed the crap out of them and
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then they were lounging at the bottom of the tables yeah uh in like the Stu black
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had come on and they'd do like the meta watch yeah videos and it'd be like yeah mechanicus
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um so they've been having a bit of an interesting I just don't think it's a quick way to win any friends when you're doing a clean slate you know I think you
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know you should be trying to make for at least a short time try and make everything as tough as it possibly can
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be I mean you know you can't you can't at least you've got points yeah yeah when that first launched yeah that's
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very fresh I mean we had to try and all be positive about it and go yay this is great because when you're playing War Games you you know it's never going to
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be equal all this down you know there's always gonna be one side the slightly outnumbers each other but when are you playing against people you don't know or just struggle to comprehend with like
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dealing in that situation it was so hard the only puzzle is such a hard message to get behind the only positive for me
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is Gene steal called to do really a really good oh yeah yeah oh yeah they're leads you know the operands there yeah
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uh the primarist you know the you know the big muscular guys yeah yeah yeah you
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want their leads one of them Abomination yeah you could kill him and if you've got the right dice roll he comes back
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with all his wounds wow that's amazing now you put um Ambush markers out across
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the board um and what they're for they're they're they can act as return points if someone
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guns an entire units if you've gone them all down completely as long when that marker isn't too close
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to a unit yeah well and there's a secondary cool bit to this if you if like you're going are their Marines are
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too close I can't come back but you've gone Marine's gonna hold unit down the next 10 you can bring them back on that
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marker yeah and as long as there's space for them as long as there's The Minnow space you know the guy who looks over
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the Hologram yeah yeah he's called the Nexus yeah yeah you've got the Hologram of uh yeah he has a rule that he can
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move that marker six inches especially when you look at the model
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I've been looking at a map that seems exactly it's a law that fits the model that yes this is the really interesting
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thing so that really for me because I've got ginsenicals as well that hooks into What gene see the course as narrative
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that makes sense yeah and then you get the death guard thing which is like the complete opposite yeah yeah it's like you literally got one man I'm talking to
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the other it just yeah what an army that are meant to be renowned for the fact that that they just keep they're meant
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to be an endless wave of just marching rotting things yeah and they go let's do it I know I'll be cool let's make them
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weak yeah yeah yeah because there's they're an endless waves yeah they just get gunned down it'll be
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an endless wave stuck in a box because people won't be playing them yeah and then ultimately not buying them you can always you know film yourself set them
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on fire do that I'll get some hits you know do you never hear about that with the age of Sigma no oh because someone a
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few people kicked up a stink and rightly so you know to a certain degree that it wasn't really that well handled if we
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look back but things could have been different yeah um but someone did go a bit too far get there and they got the
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Dark Elf Army and just set on fire and filmed it and I'm like it's a bit extreme it's a bit extreme
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yeah how much you can still play with it's not like someone's and this is the thing that always gets me is like I mean
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you can still play ninth if you want to do it right you can do whatever you want you got the options do that I mean this
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the only person that sorry I'll talk over at the end of the day it's not hard to figure the maths out as to how much a marine costs yeah yeah amongst your
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mates you go look I know it's five or ten I'm gonna play eight yeah or seven or however many you just go you know the
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Games Workshop won't kick the door down if you play it yeah well this is I mean it's not I I get that you want to be involved in the new rule set totally get
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that but there's nothing something from using the previous rules and playing games so don't burn your army that just
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seems a very sort of childish thing to do um and and and and explain some money to
27:36
do yourself because yeah give it to a club if you didn't want it whatever you know I mean even if you
27:43
sell them some somebody will either play the mother or they are or they'll get a buyer strip bath and they'll make a nice
27:48
new album yeah it was to get viral yeah yeah look at me look
27:57
how much I wonder what the cost of the of a 2000 Point Army is average like
28:03
your models yeah it's gonna be like 500 quid or
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something easy yeah yeah no again depends on the Army if it's because it's probably to 250 300 yeah unless you're buying
28:17
affordable kits of course and then yeah yeah I I I've avoided the Forge World uh well
28:25
I bought some of the um content to like dreadnoughts for the custodies but I've I've wanted to look at that tank I've
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avoided the big tanks because one I'm crap it with resin models um like I think I've mentioned it before
28:37
like it's a test that I haven't studied for um and and then people say oh resin like
28:44
if you're shaving anything off and sanding it you have to do it in water or with a gas mask on them
28:52
just ventilated area just don't like do lots of filing just go I strongly recommend not doing that uh
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but yeah yeah so um so with with the this is something else that we should probably talk about
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is the Horus heresy dreadnoughts have been made
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you like you can't field them in competitive 40K anymore they've gone to like is it like heroes or something like
29:19
Legends Legends yeah I know I've got I've got an unpainted um Leviathan with the uh the quads
29:25
and look after it and use it yeah the weird one the stupid bit about this
29:30
again that moment where games works up you go you know you sort of get you on sides and you go you've explained it
29:36
okay I'm with it and then they go and we're doing this as well and then you go well what was that they're going if it's for Horus heresy the idea is meant to
29:43
belong to Horace Harrison you can't play it in competitive play and you go okay but one of the things they've moved away
29:48
again for death guard players is um I also they've taken out of competitive play they've taken the
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greater blade drone which is a demon engine they wouldn't have had that in the horror heresy anyway not until near
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the end until near the end yeah so there's this thing which is obviously some giant slug strapped into armor with
30:05
a couple of rotor blades on the top of it yes yeah which is obviously there for or the Demonic chaos he yeah demon death
30:12
guards not the just a bit grubby armor death guard yeah and they're going yeah that's uh yeah that's a horror horror
30:18
she gets blatantly knock as the Army's full of Blum and Demon engines already yeah I have opinions on that and I think
30:25
it might be because I remember the last time we did 40K and we had all the four Jewel kits to write rules for it was a ball Lake yeah and I think it's just a
30:32
lot easier not to include them yeah I think I think there's the easy route not the right route the thing is they've
30:38
always been a book of their own anyway they're not in the stand to death guard codec okay they're always you have to buy Imperial Armor for it which yeah
30:44
this is the thing that you've got two tribes and mentalities yeah head office you've got like the books and box games
30:51
writers you've got the forgood writers they all have different ideas and what works from it a Rule's point of view in this area yeah
30:58
obviously God bless his soul used to like really get into the narrative and come up with some really good stuff he had a team around him
31:03
Citadel had a very different opinion on how they'd write rules and you'd go when are you gonna get that a
31:09
set of affordable rules up to us and it'll all be very different to yeah so it was just a lot of like it's just
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communication I don't mind look I'd rather you didn't write it off especially because I've got two uh but I don't play competitive play so I'm not
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hugely bothered no I know it sounds good for the poor people out there that do play it but anyway I don't play
31:26
competitive so it's not hugely gonna keep me awake at night but don't use that weird excuse to go on evertons for
31:31
the whole Terraces there and then all of that and you're going crazy when they like until a couple of weeks ago they're
31:37
like you could be like oh yeah it says Horace heresy on it but you can feel it in 4k and it's totally fine you know and there's no tanks that I quite taxi for
31:44
death God because in my mind in my head Canon is they shouldn't have anything modern yeah yeah you know what I mean
31:49
proxy yeah this is what I'm gonna say from it from a positive point of view it still you know if you want a Dreadnought
31:55
as long as it's armed the same so you get a contemption arm it like a yeah a normal treadmill or yeah it's the same
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armor I'm just saying yeah it fits with the death guard aesthetic yeah I'm not using Ford world yeah rules I'm using
32:07
Citadel yeah yeah I totally get that but also at the same time I understand from their point of view they probably work
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to the blooming bone
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the only like the the contemptors and stuff the only ones that have been kept out of
32:28
Legends uh are the custodians ones yes but they're plastic that went in the kit that um well the say like the Achilles
32:36
dreadnoughts just like the sword and shield guy yeah so people are thinking that they will come out in plastic form
32:43
relatively soon if they've specifically been kept in yeah they'll they'll they'll be part of when when I would
32:49
imagine when you get your codex you'll get them yeah I'd be so so so unbelievably Keen to get plastic
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versions of them yeah I mean and now now that they're based
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and everything it's okay and if you if you don't turn them around and look at all the gaps it's fine we go here's your
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kit and here's we've we've already signed you up it's in the place for you six weeks engineering degree yeah a story and I don't I'm not going to say
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the name of the staff member but it still makes me laugh to this day I was talking to someone who works at office still when he was in retail in warmer
33:22
world and the new um versions of the
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Horus heresy marks of armor and uh there was this fella buying lots of resin uh
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Marines and the guy was like why don't you get some of these because you get more and it's cheaper and they're identical
33:41
but they're all plastic is that you know plastics for kids resins for grown-ups I
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remember you saw you come in and I'm just like resin's cool and it
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has its place but I've seen like big monsters and stuff like things that are like like Titans you're never going to
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get a plastic here now because the tool in itself is gonna be ludicrously expensive and then the Kit's gonna be
34:03
expensive it like the Bain blade was that first big test because it was such a costly yeah process and I think the
34:10
main blade at the time retail at Six Degrees which is like the most expensive kit at the time yeah but enough people wanted a Beyblade because they knew what
34:17
the market they're aiming at so yeah it made its money back yeah quickly yeah yes the valkyrie was the next thing
34:23
along was like that was a photo I brought to a valkyrie it was an absolute nightmare the instructions was one piece of A4 like that yes with like a few
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pictures I was like cool yeah great yeah it's all built but I'll try and work it out
34:36
um and you know I'll just draw an owl isn't it yeah well at least yeah yeah you know you could look at like three six and get an idea but that was the
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next kit that got turned into plastic or plastified as electrical and people keep talking about like the Thunder or gunship and it may or may not happen but
34:49
I think it'd just be too expensive for a plaster kit I think I mean you're gonna look at like it's gonna be a course set
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like 150 160 quid probably coming up to 200 just for that alone yeah yeah um and
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the tool in itself is going to be insane yeah and the thing is is how would you field it well this is the thing is
35:05
you're gonna have to start playing games that are you're gonna go right well I'm going to have to play roughly like a minimum 3 000 point game to get that on
35:12
the board yeah and I just don't and the thing is is well I'll sound an awful and people may disagree or on on May not is
35:19
that I think a lot of 40K and how things move and what gets played and what gets rules and what doesn't and what is very
35:26
much centered around competitive play competitive can play I think very much
35:31
pushes what what works and what doesn't work yeah and at the amount of points cost for a
35:37
uh for one of them I can't see the way around it for me is like you're both right you're never going to get around
35:43
to using it properly in the game so the way you do it is you make a crashed version of it which is hollow so you can
35:49
do the scene images Hollow and you have a segment server on the battlefield and it becomes like an objective and if you're like I don't know like an
35:55
imperial fist player and stuff like that yeah I'm gonna paint his Imperial this one and that's my objective and I'll use that as many off as often as I can it's
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a cool piece of scenery yeah expensive scenery well again if it's the hollow yeah true yeah um yeah it's not as as
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expensive as you know the the guys that make the scenery are very clever but what if it's got a hole in the bottom uh
36:17
yeah you're sitting upside down you're playing the game don't don't pick that Scarab
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um no just as soon as you've just mentioned the pure request so um I um as I've mentioned several times
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on stream and and maybe on chat shows as well I am binging uh black Library audiobooks just to try and uh because
36:37
you talked about like uh like playing wrath and glory and stuff like that and I'm just like I need to immerse myself
36:42
in the universe anyway um no I'm not I'm not I'm not intelligent
36:49
enough for that um but and you'll see with where I'm going with this you mentioned Imperial fists so in the Watchers of the throne
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uh book two um you meet tour garadan who is
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um chapter of Imperial fists yeah and he's just an angry auction it's amazing
37:07
does he sound like a Dave from my most paints um yeah yeah like like I mean swears a lot
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less um like a frog on his shoulder the entire
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book so so maybe but it was just I was just it came so out of left field because you're listening to um the guy
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narrate this uh custodian and he's very much like yes I'm I love of Art and I
37:36
lose myself in my books and all that sort of stuff and then Toro Garland turns up when he's just like what are
37:42
you doing here get off Terror and eyes it's so good it's Terror it's it's gonna
37:50
be full of yorkshiremen isn't it I mean that's it you know the thing they're the only things them rats and
37:56
cockroaches do anything they'll survive wow
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just just moaning after just moaning about where about about weather yeah my
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um I was at my Dad's this weekend and um he lives in uh Lancashire in in Burnley
38:16
um and he told me he was like I can't remember how we got on to it but he said the uh the Yorkshire man has a war cry
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uh unless they're charging at you they go how much
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two two great two great remarks about about the uh the frugalness of your
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human uh one of a poet that I really really love a lot of people there was a guy called John Cooper Clark it's like a
38:42
poet from the punk era had a terrible run with Heroin for quite a number of years and then came back and is now back
38:48
on the scene and he's phenomenally funny I went to see him and he said he said um he said why don't Yorkshire why don't
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yorkman like uh like on Underpants he says because eventually they give
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ah the other one he said he said he said a
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a prostitute moved into a street and she puts a sign in the window and says one week off her only she said if you can
39:11
ask for it in three in three words you can have it for a Tanner it's the first man knocks on the door and he's a
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regular sort of guy and she goes what do you want love and he says rock my world he goes in he has a fantastic Night 10
39:23
pounds spent second man knocks on the door and he's a bit of a kinky sauce and she says what do you want love and he says beat me up he has a fantastic and I
39:30
got exactly what he wants third man knocks on his Rose a little yorkmanship himself goes what do you want love and he says pave my drive
39:40
very good have you seen Afterlife with Ricky Gervais yeah because he hires it
39:46
just to clean up yeah oh yeah yeah just like their company yeah does the dishes yeah yeah oh cranky
39:54
but yeah that that um yeah you're just like all these custodians talking about this that and
40:00
the other and then just all these Gruff Yorkshire Imperial fists automating everyone is that why your
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custody is from that adverted sound yeah yeah a well-measured yeah
40:12
natural young man but basically I was like I was like oh no we need to put an
40:18
advert on this video and I need to do it immediately and I run to the shelves and look at models and I'd be like oh he can
40:24
be a substitute Valerian nice one um and then he's talking to an imperial
40:29
fist yes so that was yeah nice yeah that's where my brain was rough yorkshireman is always the right voice
40:36
for a soldier oh yeah absolutely yeah his Gruff yorkshireman is always still right folks even over don't be ever seen that movie The Death of Stalin no it's a
40:43
comedy about it oh no I have yeah about what happened immediately after the death of Stalin and the thing of it is which is quite clever to get the best
40:49
out of all the actors they will who are from all over the place they all move they all use their own accents and again
40:54
also because obviously we can imagine you know the Russian government would have been made up from people from it's
41:00
such a massive landmass there's been so many different accents anyway but the only person who puts a voice on for it
41:05
is um is Jason Isaacs oh yes yeah no no I can't remember but he's the
41:13
only one who turns up who then has an accent and is that of a blunt blunt Yorkshire yeah yeah yeah did they do
41:20
that in in Chernobyl as well everyone just spoke English
41:26
the polypure they'd be made up of people from such a wide range of different places you know people in Estonia aren't
41:32
going to have the same accents as those in Georgia and you know and uh and he goes I like you know Jason Isaac turns
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up a new get after for the funeral to go single right then gonna gonna represent the entire the entire Russian Red Army
41:45
at the buffet See you ladies late he walks into Lee sees one of his mates
41:50
sees a guy as a team for a while he goes hello Ivan he says look well this is yourself because thank you very much
41:56
what's the compliments absolutely brilliant but again he's the
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only man who puts an accent on and chooses gruffy augment which is exactly the right voice yeah yeah yeah I really I recently finished
42:11
uh gaunts ghosts but one oh what do you think um I enjoyed it yeah I really enjoyed it what did you think to the
42:17
Iron Man in melozord absilian the last battle very interesting yeah yeah there's an STC and they're all been
42:23
corrupted by chaos yeah that's right yeah yeah I thought that was really cool and
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um yeah spoilers if if if you haven't read it even though I guess it's been out for ages but yeah at least 20 years
42:34
old it's really crikey yeah yeah I think the audiobook was only done fairly recently like pre-covered
42:41
um in the before times uh but anyway it's 96. the audience no no the actual
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book oh right yeah but yeah um I thought it was awesome
42:53
um like uh Inquisitor hell day and I was like no he's gonna get he's controlling yeah yeah it's like no he's not he's
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Grim here yeah he's going to be controlling like one of the tanith and he can feel him in his brain and he's
43:05
looking in the mirror but then he's controlling ferric instead yes yeah and that was cool um I thought well like one of one of the
43:12
really interesting things I I find is is say not necessarily like oh this is where the plot's going and and you know
43:18
you're known to the warp and that's this is gonna happen and so on and so forth he'd be like that's really cool but best
43:24
and only 19.99.99 yeah yeah so he's over 20 years old yeah yeah uh was when they were like
43:32
oh it's an intact STC and they're like oh yeah three guys the last one that was found three guys found it uh they got
43:39
their own Planet each and it makes knives hahaha they were like it it just makes
43:47
them just a bit better they're a bit stronger um but the astatis really like them and
43:53
they're good for murdering uh so it's just like nice one here you go stab um and then you get your own planet
43:59
um and just that that kind of bigger like wide field steel yeah
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um that that for me I think was like one of the really interesting like takeaways uh or not all the Scottish accents were
44:12
brilliant as well I've noticed I've not heard it I I I've read it but I've not heard it I didn't realize everyone was
44:18
Scottish yes well Scottish and Irish yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it does a really good uh so
44:26
certain characters I guess because I I suppose there's a voice actor there's only so many different versions of a
44:32
Scottish accent you can do so yeah like a Welsh one and an Irish one can break up a bit but yeah my favorite part
44:39
yeah does he does Toby give gone basically eisenhorn's voice uh
44:47
yeah it's it's like um yeah like he's a bit you can tell he's
44:54
like more of a leader and like he jumps over a trench and it's just like do you want to live forever
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and they're like yeah
45:07
um you've got go on advancing and then know that the Gentile and patricians are
45:12
gonna yes try and murder him yes yeah so he leaves a whole platoon yeah to hold you off they all get wiped out yeah
45:18
which is a shame yeah turn up to yeah mop them up as well yeah
45:23
the ginger goons are amazing yeah I really like that but so yeah they they're marching towards this like site
45:29
where the STC is yeah um and gaunt knows exactly where he's going but as a reader you don't
45:35
um and yeah he has a rear guard of 50 troops and then the jantime patricians are like honor above everything yeah
45:42
charge up that hill and and there's 50 guys and they wipe out like a third of
45:47
the Genting patricians and then afterwards he's like well maybe that wasn't the best thing to do but you know
45:53
they're all dead so that's fine yeah but um yeah it was because they got beef with the the tennis and they just want
45:59
to murder them because um gaunt's uncle uncle darseus
46:04
uh basically murder's gone to Dad yeah yeah and gaunt finds out and then this is an
46:10
opportunity for him to to get a bit of payback yeah payback yeah um but yeah so the jantime patricians
46:15
are very uh the guy in charge I think is witness to to go on killing yeah uh his
46:21
Commander which is his uncle Darcy's like beef we've gone so it takes out on
46:27
the tan if as you do because it's the portano's fault yeah we've already lost the planet give him a break
46:32
um but yeah the victory dragoons are there but what I do like when it when it's talking about that battle the menazord epsilian you've got like it
46:39
describes like you know the tanitha deployed here and then yeah then the gentam patricians are here bringing up the here is like the vision lagoons and
46:46
the 122nd katachans are over here the morning whatever I'm just like cool
46:51
because that's how Imperial Guard army's war is displayed when he's playing in the old days was like a platoon of maudience
46:57
yeah it always look quite colorful very much like the Empire
47:03
um for um what Hammer you didn't just do like once yeah you could do yeah yeah but you'll say it was nice to do like a
47:09
mixture different which is why you had all Uncle mercenary units to give it flavor as well yeah
47:14
in the original water you've got the uh Dogs of War which are all like uh tillia
47:20
which is the idea yeah the Cavalry with the big feathers on their back today basically based on the Polish Cavalry oh
47:26
yeah the winged this is the kids left dudes yeah you had the horse arches as well yeah there's so much stuff they did some extra stuff later on with like a
47:32
guy riding a polar bear which is a mega okay and then a guy on what looked like um like Leonardo da Vinci concept Wings
47:39
didn't he the other units named after the Birdman of Alcatraz yes
47:48
of course like just not having quite the right lessons in Scrabble yeah so there's a unit of like look like hot
47:54
Greek hoplites because someone got Grecian helmets but they're all like breastplate raggedy clothes and they're called the uh The Fellowship of alcatani
48:01
and the leader is oh what's his name something Del Monte and his war cry is he always says yes
48:08
I just thought oh God so like Del Monte is in like the orange juice yeah yeah you can say yes
48:16
so there's a few silly little uh yeah uh because it's obvious time that these little nods like that some of the um uh
48:23
I have to bring my book in one day they've got like some stories for each of the different things and there's like
48:29
um oh what's we're just one Cornetto I think there's a guy called Juan conetto uh and there's a song about him just
48:37
Juan Cornetto give it to me
48:42
his way into battles yeah nice live stream Wednesday I'll read a couple of them out
48:50
absolutely phenomenal but yeah so that book's really I love that one yeah I kind of read before I'm listening to
48:56
ghost maker now yeah and ghost maker kind of starts it's like a prequel no it's it's kind of like there's bits
49:02
before yeah it's job only just started so it's just a bunch of short stories
49:08
that I guess we're written and it's focused on different characters
49:19
and then losing it when you're reading it was the one you remember the one where they take over that really Old Fort and they're all starting to think
49:26
it's haunted they're surrounded outside by um the chaos dudes they fight the blood
49:31
pact are all outside and they're inside there and there's places like full of polished schools and stuff and they're
49:37
members is that blood packs uh no I can't
49:42
remember what it's called people are probably now going it's that one and you're right it is that one salvation's
49:47
reaches but I can't remember what it's called these are like 11 books there's loads annoyingly just because I've never
49:53
got around to it I got blood patches on salvation's region I must not go around to reading yeah but there's some later
49:58
ones where there's Trader General um last command uh which is really good yeah because like will the series will
50:05
the series just end when they died as well well yeah
50:10
it doesn't mind bumping them off does he really introduces new ones along the way oh so later on um
50:17
you bring all the all alone to the hypers join yeah so the third book is
50:22
really good it's um it's my favorite one I think which is called necropolis fantastic it's a hive City that gets attacked by another Hive City they've
50:28
turned to chaos and at the end of that um they they basically get a load of recruits on the planet
50:34
um and that bolsters the tanithope yeah but in other in subsequent books um I think they're called the Belladonna
50:41
um something and they join up later on because gaunt is gone to a chaos held
50:46
Planet yeah with a bunch of guys and it's taken a while to cleanse them of the chaos
50:53
um so he's having he's like got like dreadlocks and he's like got a big beard and he's come back he's having these interrogations and stuff whilst other
50:59
people are running his his unit but it's just a mishmash now and it ends up not becoming Tana first and only if he gets
51:04
a name doesn't it like you say some like Stout yeah regiment or something like I forget now like your picture or something um and it's just a mix of
51:11
different regiments so it was uh I really liked just hearing like you say like first and only and this that and
51:17
the other was like yeah it's a personality because they what got founded the regiment Planet got
51:23
destroyed and then it's like first and only and then he's talking to the psycho at the end and it's like oh you'll find
51:29
your ghosts in like five years or something like that and and then he's like yes I'm an orphan I'm his first and
51:36
only child and I'm like that's the name of the book
51:41
uh but it did stop really cool yeah I I thoroughly enjoyed gaunts ghosts yeah yeah I think it's called only in death
51:48
oh yeah I've read that yeah yeah only death yeah I don't remember that one that particular it follows the god the
51:54
ghosts during the deployment to The Fortress World Diego and their mission to find and defend the ancient undecreted Citadel
52:01
house a strange and unsettling house Fortress that seems to contain strange properties of its own it's like almost
52:08
like a haunted haunted house version of of course yeah because I I used to read
52:13
each book about three or four times and the last three I've only read once yeah it's
52:19
probably like they're all yeah I never got um that was sort of like the point where I stopped was a bit of a
52:25
shame I might need to go back I'm trying to do you really like them I'm trying to rank like my experience with all the
52:30
books in my head now I've watched it I've known still pretty high yeah yeah I'd watch the [ __ ] out of God's ghost as
52:36
a TV series it would make more sense yeah it it yeah
52:42
kind of it's easy to digest and you get a bit more of a yeah because this is the thing I've always
52:47
learned about like 40K it's like there's so much to tell that you can't do that in one movie no
52:53
and yeah but you've got to make that movie engaging and fun that people want to watch more yeah so like Star Wars for
52:59
instance that is a cool story when it was first you know New York yeah Empire Strikes Back return the Jedi look at how
53:05
much like Legend and like yeah law there is now and that's just expanding and expanding over time well that's the thing is if you did you know I know
53:11
we've been here before but if you did eisenhorn you did go on to go just as a couple of TV series they would be better where the viewer would watch one and
53:17
then the next one and go oh there's that yeah because you know there's crosses you don't have to lose you don't have to win
53:23
eisenhorn streets away you go and there's Orcs And there's this you know what I mean you mention it in
53:30
passing you know you think about I know I know eisenhorn woods and his people would but they've been this gazillions
53:36
of humans living across the Galaxy who probably don't have never seen an orc or seen our awesome yeah you know and you
53:42
know most of the time their blooming problem would just be like Raiders and bandits and weirdo Pirates and stuff it
53:48
would just be other humans we're wrongs no foreign
53:56
Gothic the First Fleet was a pirate Eldar pirate Fleet I think it's good um but it's not like a craft water so
54:02
she was apparently but yeah you but when you were Elder you know the difference between like craftwelders and yeah yeah
54:08
it's um so I think you could intro you could introduce it at your own speed of what
54:14
you bring in and people just go all right okay so they're like there as well because it's it's interesting um one thing I found interesting is is
54:21
now that I'm sort of making an effort to to say read
54:26
I'll listen um more to the novels and all that sort of stuff um and you think
54:33
from from the outset when when people are like the Imperium they're all fascists and
54:39
they're awful and and and that kind of thing and it's like yeah as a as a regime it's it's not amazing it
54:45
definitely has its flaws and you know the guard isn't perfect because they just like I guess Corn's ghosts is like
54:51
it's more about the infighting than it is actually fighting chaos yeah yeah um and it's how people want to use that
54:57
but as the Imperium itself is like for Humanity and to protect and to try and
55:04
save humanity and it's like yeah it's not it's amazing the workings of like the bureaucracy of it as well yeah yeah
55:10
um I think it's the guns of tanith and they're having to do these drops on for better with Cloud cities and they're
55:17
like mine like yeah I remember them I remember that now so you have to do air drops into the end blood pack to hold it's the first time you come across the
55:23
blood path and they're running on ammo so they get they get their just their allocation of equipment and it's for the
55:29
wrong last gun so none of the clips fit because they're in a big like troop
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transport there's other regiments on there so they have to go and raid whatever regiments gear so they can get
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like yeah yeah yeah yeah oh wow really because that was like done years ago but
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yeah and a piano yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah they're just not got
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the correct right again there's something Wade said when we're in um like we're used to live in when he was
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um in charge of the 40K team yeah it was and I think some of Alan Merritt was
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very adamant about as well catachans would could be deployed to a nice world and not wear ice clothing they literally
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because the bureaucracy is so stupid and at that time when the orders go through yeah the equipment ships have not
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arrived or it's like the planet has changed because of the other War yeah yeah it's dealt with it so you'd get
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like valhallen's being deployed to a desert Planet yeah the Troopers being deployed to a ice World jungle fire has
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been deployed to another frozen tundra yeah and it's just like sorry guys yeah
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you just meet bags and numbers yeah it was just War of Attrition you're just there to hit the numbers and stuff like that yeah so that reminds me of that
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awful that awful scene of the uh the capsule London and um in the A Bridge Too Far oh yeah yeah
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they need massive amounts of resupplies and the capsule parachutes down and when it lands the cracks open and all it's
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full of Trooper berries yes it's just I've seen that yeah because they're all
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Dave Andrews made sure that when you got the uh armored containers one of the roles
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I think yeah I think my favorite favorite things about going through the
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novels is like obviously you know the plots are great but it is just the little chunks and little bits like is it
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eisenhorn book two and he has some cassakin with him
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um and they they meet uh some chaos guys and like eisenhorn is it like they cats
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are kind of good enough yeah and I've got my tattoos haven't they all these shots come past him and I start
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annihilating all these chaos guys and he was like it was terrifying because
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they're only human and they're not good and and that just see that line is just
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isn't it you know that um they've got like an um as they got like at that point in time he's got a guy who spent
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years as like a mercenary hasn't he yeah just with like a slightly Russian sort of weird accident because yeah Stone
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Cold Blood Killers yeah the sergeant has discovered having a
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neck thicker than a tree stump yeah uh and there's a bit weird the the female
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the other Inquisitor she's like permanently stationed with the King Kong yes yeah yeah there's a bit where they
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[ __ ] the demon host yes and they're all getting taunted pieces yes the sergeant just pulls out his knife and just charges it yeah
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for a brief moment I was terrified yeah yeah yeah and then and then it was like
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and he cuts into him and he explodes in fire yeah but it was yeah just like their dedication is just how good they
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are yeah and that sort of like those just those little bits like oh yeah an STC that just made nice yeah yeah yeah
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yeah I think the the um the parade scene
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amazed me that scene whenever I think about it it's just so well written I've just explained I don't mean chaos I was
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in chaos and 40K but just seeing chaos erupt yeah just I'm panic and I'm
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confused but it's not supposed to be like everything's fine it's just a big parade of victory yeah everything's good
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and nope yeah and which is that thing of just going why is that plane just going
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in there and then he just in the beginning yeah that is absolute best yeah and I think there's um there's a
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line in gaunts ghosts like where the guys they've won some campaign or something and it's like
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oh it's not the war that'll kill me it's these damn Victory parades everything what yeah
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[Laughter] 12 hours of your day yeah yeah yeah
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um yeah it's really really good so um yeah if anyone has any recommendations of books for me to read
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um Discord of uh message me a few do you know what I did like in that one where you were talking about when the um it's
1:00:05
High versus Hive and the thing is which is just good writing again from Dad Abnet is eventually they they they're
1:00:11
gone the ghosts get to move on but they have to others leave somebody to take out the take over this whole Siege thing
1:00:17
and they just go Imperial fists stand up and you go oh exactly they're you know unlike unlike what you were saying about
1:00:22
poor catachans on Ice worlds you know it's exactly the right chapter for the right yeah yeah oh Siege where just
1:00:28
we'll get right on that yeah there's so much about the sense of scale of that because so much is happening at so many different points but it's so well
1:00:34
written yeah um and there's a there's a whole like tank company that does like a special maneuver and there's all these
1:00:40
weird like crab like chaos war machines oh cool because it was a weapons or a
1:00:46
machine uh Hive so it made all these war machines yeah uh there's I think the
1:00:51
very start this commissary's got like a black tank gleaming Ross leads a whole column out to because the the hype's
1:00:58
called fair is a weekend it's like yeah we're gonna take a we've lost contact they've turned chaos because they keep like doing these yeah
1:01:04
um tanoi calls like what I was saying like ferozoicer will rise or something like that it's like not having this goes
1:01:11
out to just get wiped out I when I used to play Imperial guards I painted that out yeah I painted that that lemon Ross
1:01:17
in Black because um they did a commissar with like his hands on his hips but but that is outside it's a hatch yeah yeah
1:01:24
space being an epic showed them in Black Vehicles as well yeah um which makes
1:01:30
yeah so yeah you did a common tank crew commissar and I went oh yeah black tank yeah yeah
1:01:36
with epaulette giant epaulettes on the sponsons yeah yeah classic I think ready
1:01:42
to be annihilated a nice a better decal that just had extem and artists written on it which went down the sides of the
1:01:47
barrel we thought that's gonna go fantastic yeah yeah oh that's cool oh so the other thing we've done since we were
1:01:53
last year is we've been to games Expo I mean yeah Birmingham yeah Birmingham it
1:01:58
was good I had a really good time lots of we've like touched on it with some of the other chats we've had but it was
1:02:03
really nice I really enjoyed myself it was uh it was nice to catch up with people that we've met before briefly or
1:02:10
you know it was nice to see Mikey again it was nice yeah it was nice to see Pete again yeah so it was uh it was another
1:02:16
tea with Alberta Ian hopefully it'll get on in the coming months yeah he's free
1:02:21
it was nice to see the guys from war on terror yeah yeah they've done uh
1:02:27
they got backed yeah especially because they're all fully
1:02:32
wrecked which is great now it's good they gave me some little Testament of there there I don't know the name of
1:02:37
their Soldier they've got a particular type of name people people call them like Tesla Marines yeah
1:02:42
got some of them to paint off they're really cool yeah yeah it's quite I uh he
1:02:48
gave you one and he was and I'd said oh like our back to you guys I'm super excited and he gave you a marine and he's like well yours will be on the way
1:02:54
I was like fair enough I just keep giving these out man yeah
1:03:00
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we've got loads to see him it was um it was nice to uh we you know we got locked very
1:03:05
well looked after by elements they were very very nicely generous tourists it was nice to stand beyond their stand yeah chance to meet Byron for the first
1:03:13
time yes Byron and his witchcraft level of dry brushing that seems to look like he's using an airbrush man isn't it so
1:03:19
mad yeah we are our biggest debt of thanks to whaling games because they gave him yeah
1:03:25
not only can only go was in but then we're very nice to us as well and their generosity goes a long way yeah it was
1:03:32
really nice quite a few interesting things to see as well and she's just the problem being is there's a lot you know even if you
1:03:38
retired there's not enough hours or enough in your life to play everything that you've seen there's just so many games going on do you think that's mad
1:03:45
try going to speed all this light is so nice really yeah massive yeah absolutely huge
1:03:52
yeah Essence um yeah but yeah I really it was nice to see all these different sorts of
1:03:58
um starter companies yes it's nice to see Annie with there I went to I went to go say hi to Annie
1:04:06
because she's recently just been on like the show like a few days ago um and I was like hey how's it going and
1:04:12
she was like oh hey what's your name again I'm sorry I'm terrible names I was like
1:04:18
it's all right like I set up all the cameras and stand in the corner and like pop all the balloons because the cell's
1:04:23
gonna pop some of the balloons yeah I forgot yeah I forgot to take the pin but uh yeah it was it was really really nice I really enjoyed it and and you know
1:04:29
even though I'm not a board game player I think the the color and the variety of that added to the enjoyment even though
1:04:35
I'm only yeah you know mainly stated one the bet that for me was the biggest funny thing was the fact that you had
1:04:41
Warhammer Fest and it was like two-hour cues to play one around the 10th and you could just wander up here we go could
1:04:48
you yeah there was no one there on the Sunday because I I um I didn't spend any time at the at the
1:04:54
Warhammer Booth because I only went up to because I really desperately wanted to see what one of the screamer killer models looked like in the Flash oh and
1:05:00
that was it but I couldn't when I walked up so have a look the guy went oh do you want to go to it I I haven't got time at
1:05:06
the moment but I just said I just wanted to see what the minutes look like yeah it was good today you could have had to go yeah but I've not been in the two and
1:05:12
a half hour queue in the middle of Manchester crikey yeah it sounds like uh yeah people were still chatting about
1:05:18
Warhammer Fest when we were there and and just being like well it was in like a room this big but barely ever it was
1:05:23
being used and there was loads of cues and yeah it sounded like it needed a bit of yeah a bit of maybe the space was for
1:05:30
the queues yeah maybe yeah they planned ahead yeah yeah we'll have a two meter
1:05:35
by two meter table and 500 meters square for the queue yes yeah q q Festival yeah
1:05:41
and I think if you're you know from listening to people I think if you were ever going to go on one day go on the
1:05:47
Sunday because a lot of the Traders were saying it was just nice and manageable I didn't struggle to get around I wasn't
1:05:53
three deep at any stalls trying to see anything yeah it was there was lots of things I would you know I think a couple
1:05:58
of days is something you know if you were to do it properly you probably want to get hotels yeah there's a whole
1:06:04
tournament thing going up in one of them yeah the Viking encampment on the outside
1:06:10
yeah outside the the Hilton yeah yeah yeah it's great you'd be like is this
1:06:15
Extinction Rebellion or uh
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but yeah I mean there's lots of things I'd like to have done in hindsight now and try but what I do like about the way
1:06:26
that spielen um get UK games Expo works is you have so many tables with like game set up
1:06:33
yeah and then there's like little signs saying roughly how many people is to play yeah yeah yeah and then there's
1:06:38
always someone there some kind of Representative to to show you through the rules I mean we had a good game with that Agatha Christie again which is good
1:06:44
fun yeah I work out who the murderer was and who the accomplice was yeah not played a game like that for a long time
1:06:49
so it's quite good fun and then what was it you have for your you have to reveal your secrets because it's in aggregation
1:06:56
it's like my secret shame is I yell at other drivers yes road rage issues and I
1:07:03
faked my own death and said some words at my own funeral yeah yeah oh God I'm not sure enough cards for mine
1:07:10
um the uh the one that was nice I thought was we went to the uh Disney stand and
1:07:16
there's that game called villainous which is really clever where you've got to try and become as bad as you can as
1:07:21
quick as you can yeah whilst your opponent tries to Noble you so much novel not knob I did wonder where that
1:07:28
was yeah what do you mean by novel novel but for anyone that doesn't understand
1:07:34
um stop your advancements in something yeah sorry um novel see if it's a word
1:07:41
so we wanted to play and the guy said we haven't got any spaces left for the day but then when are you interested in this
1:07:48
was for my youngest Elijah who's now nieces and he goes yeah I'm interested in it I've heated to the game somewhere
1:07:54
before and the guy went well hang on and he went and got us you go and got a box of Star Wars one and you opened it and showed him everything was in it which
1:08:00
was really nice and then um we've got it off um how evil can you be in Star Wars other than murdering
1:08:06
kids that's already been taken I've seen so so many great memes about
1:08:13
like Anakin and and I guess you know the death of children it's meant to be
1:08:18
horrific but then how the internet has just turned it into a joke when Luke Skywalker's just like here
1:08:25
take this it's the jungling Slayer three thousand um have you ever see the uh what's the
1:08:31
thing like the VR goggles yeah recreate your favorite moment yeah
1:08:37
is like a little video of it and he's just like on his knees games and this is really difficult I think I was like wait
1:08:42
what are you doing oh I've just got a new mod for the for the game it was like do you want to give it a go and he puts the goggles on you got the little kid
1:08:48
going Master Skyward what are we going to do
1:08:53
it's brutal uh so um I just Googled novel yes and and I I
1:09:00
never even knew that like it's got such a cool meaning um for such seemingly a silly word noble
1:09:07
try to influence or thought thought by underhand or unfair methods nice it's
1:09:13
exactly that that is in my defense that's exactly the right thing I've never heard of it because that's
1:09:19
basically it it's like you know it's like um if you're playing as General Grievous your thing is is you want
1:09:26
um you you want um Jedi opponents to turn up because by killing them your ultimate game is to
1:09:33
get eight likes yeah yeah and it's getting like oh Grievous Grievous is there
1:09:45
yeah I'm you know I'm wailing very nicely looked after me on the price which is
1:09:50
good of them yeah so yeah excellent yeah I really I really enjoyed you know what I was I enjoyed it so much I was
1:09:55
actually quite sad that when it rolled down to the following Sunday I wasn't going yeah yeah that's such a nice time
1:10:02
I can fully see how people spend all three days there yeah yeah uh like I can't with Fest because it's the same
1:10:07
thing each day yeah yeah but the thing with this as well is if you if you knew what was going to be there and you got there and you went oh Simon I'll put my
1:10:13
name down for playing a bit of that yeah you know if you planned it all in advance and yeah and you've done your research of what was there that you
1:10:18
wanted to play you could probably fill you three days quite easily I think so what would be I'd leave tweet though
1:10:24
Jesus Christ well I'd leave to eat I want to take the pack lunch yeah I had
1:10:29
uh probably like the worst subway I've ever eaten I was very disappointing yeah beggar and chips my elders started fish
1:10:37
and chips my youngest dad burger and chips it was through just fed the three of us and it was about 63 quid or
1:10:43
sometimes I was like oh my goodies cranky yeah oh right yeah so yeah
1:10:48
behind the council to work to pay it off yeah yeah it's better to do the pops as well yeah absolutely good yeah yeah so
1:10:55
question for the room if we had our own painting phase Fest what on Earth would be there I mean a barber shop yeah
1:11:03
tanith haircuts all day long nice oh yeah nice nice yeah Talent haircuts
1:11:09
and then I'd have a big rubber stamp made where I could just put a blue tattoo on the side of your head yeah
1:11:14
yeah like Blue Tattoo stripes and stuff don't you think oh no they all have a meaning
1:11:20
[Music] family yeah they all have a different tattoo they
1:11:27
all have a different yeah which one head or neck head or neck that'd be great
1:11:33
um yes we could do that I think yeah maybe that's it yeah and then yeah you know normally
1:11:39
when you go into Barbers you have like I often see it's pretty much the same clip art of like yeah haircuts yeah like a
1:11:45
storm cast one yeah
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[Laughter] off you go yeah and I'm not sure which
1:12:00
is worth that or just getting like those little uh sweetie um silver sort of ball bearings licking
1:12:06
them they're sticking on someone's foreign
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I thought that was brilliant like stuff for people to do I like the idea of having one where Peter just to go and
1:12:30
people just like hand in models to hold precariously for 10 minutes but I'll get the sweat on yeah I guess so nervous
1:12:35
when people pass like figures an obstacle course [Laughter] okay yeah
1:12:44
yeah so Pinky's gotta go through she's gonna
1:12:51
yeah and then and then you can pay extra and
1:12:57
we'll throw fairy liquid at him [Laughter]
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yeah I guess like they see a lot of people trying to like potentially sneak in there
1:13:45
single doubt Elijah yes he's got to be out by four o'clock yeah I I think because we had
1:13:53
exhibitor badges yeah uh we could have stayed longer until later and that kind of thing but just like no children
1:13:59
because he'll get run over by a forklift yeah maybe that's what it was I think I'm probably equally as able to be run
1:14:04
over by a forklift um that's fair yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah yeah it was generally really nice
1:14:11
and like I say it was very nice of whaling games especially the only sad thing was they gave us a pass we could have been there all weekend on that passage yeah yeah a little busy yeah
1:14:19
maybe next time yeah yeah do all three days yeah potentially yeah but it was so and we met some really I tell you who
1:14:25
were really nice as well I can't remember the name of the games company but the guys who behind um uh fall out
1:14:31
yeah yeah thank you yeah they were really sweet guys they were really really nice drop them in emails and wait to take it back
1:14:37
from him but yeah really really nice painting as well on some of the really character really managed to catch that
1:14:44
1950s Americana thing for the oh yeah you know to do it in a video game but to then manage to do it in painting as well
1:14:50
yeah some really nice stuff new and I've still got sitting there at home with pride my nuka-cola bottle top
1:14:56
nuka-cola I didn't get one of them oh yeah same for the apocalypse because
1:15:01
that's money I know yeah that's why I'm looking out I'm thinking I'm a millionaire already
1:15:08
100 worth 100 bottle caps ah is that all it's worth yeah I think so I think sorry
1:15:14
and they always been looking forward to the apocalypse just get some more that's just to hold
1:15:19
them now yeah let me see some Coca-Cola I think bottle caps in general you'd be fine maybe yeah because at that time
1:15:25
nuka-cola was the dominant uh I said that time as if it happened yeah
1:15:31
in the alternate Dimension yeah have you ever played Fallout the computer game yes uh so Fallout three uh I would
1:15:39
probably it's not the one where Liam Neeson's he died yes yeah I've played that one yeah um did I tell you about I
1:15:44
I stumbled across that yes yes I did I was on live wasn't it yeah the other thing I liked about it is
1:15:49
um all the cars could explode and they have like small nukes but you always had like the odd freeway with lots of cars
1:15:54
parked down there you can have a chain reaction of just making explosions so there's like a bandit sort of like a
1:16:00
bunch of Bandits guarding like a bridge and you know if I'm gonna shoot that card like blow up then those two will catch fire then that will blow up then
1:16:05
those three will catch fire so it's like like dominoes or something I like Fallout 3 but it was it was it was do
1:16:12
you know what the only thing about it was it was it was glitchy but where it was glitchy or buggy it was quite funny yeah yeah I remember having an entire
1:16:18
conversation with somebody who's on fire he didn't seem overly bottoms yeah you
1:16:24
know that thing them things that was around the countryside that look like Fearless uh werewolves oh the deathclaws
1:16:31
thank you death claws yeah um one of them and it was really funny because I was on my absolute you know
1:16:36
that thing where you're on the bones of your ass on ammo you die and it brings you back and you know better off yeah
1:16:41
I'm in a loop now that I don't know how I can get out because yeah is on my case and it came Galloping at me and I was
1:16:47
thinking I don't know I'm gonna survive this and I've done I've been in this thing about three times and on the fourth came Galloping at me and you know
1:16:53
it leaped it leaped and then just went I don't want to just disappear yeah I
1:16:59
was like yeah it's great for that it's been a few times as well I've just had like a really rubbish sort of iron mace that
1:17:06
I've made yeah and there's the Giants and I hit it and it just went so high in the sky and I was like
1:17:13
keep an older this one yeah I love weird glitches I love it I haven't played um
1:17:20
uh the new uh shooter Warhammer uh gold guns yes I do isn't it yeah yeah like I
1:17:28
I reskin yeah yeah I think that's quite funny I
1:17:33
am I am looking forward to Space Marine too yes oh the one I'm really looking forward to after seeing a the initially
1:17:39
the trailer and then watching the gameplay footage of the day is um the Star Wars one is it Star Wars
1:17:48
Outlander or something like that yeah it's basically Star Wars Grand Theft Auto a completely open World Star Wars
1:17:54
oh fantastic yeah do you know what it did in it which I thought now that's the that's the sign of a good game was that
1:17:59
the character and it is trying to escape what's going on on the surface and she runs and gets into the spaceship and he
1:18:05
sits sit down and start the spaceship up and then you can fly straight into space and straight into a gun fight trying to
1:18:11
get away from them focused on the one planet or the other planets you can go to go everywhere it's
1:18:17
open world that's really cool because I saw her um I think it makes it called out a lot I think it might be called
1:18:23
Star Wars Outlaw or Outlaws her Droid Sidekick is
1:18:44
the HK droids in Mandalorian that guard that woman that are sacrificed do they
1:18:49
have like jackets on or like some robes yeah cause they're like HK uh hunter killer droids aren't they yeah yeah I
1:18:57
believe yeah and then the Watson wear robes as well don't eat the Magna guard yes yeah
1:19:02
what do you guys think of that new tyranny model that has a flesh cloak I I I was a bit thought out that there's
1:19:10
a new death leaper it looks like it's wearing clothes but what it is is it's
1:19:15
meant to be you know like that you know when you see like a um they like them them vampire squids this
1:19:21
was what curios was talking about someone that pointed out to him you know like them squids that when they they spread everything they've got the big
1:19:26
webs in between the tentacles it's like the idea it's meant to be like that but it's folded down okay I don't mind that
1:19:32
I don't like the tail the weed Stinger tail coming out the back of its head looked at much if I'm on it tonight from
1:19:38
the front it's a really nice furniture from the back of the the Box content it's got a dress yeah
1:19:43
that oh that reminds me a bit of have you ever watched Beastmaster
1:19:49
uh no uh uh have you ever watched Beastmaster the old 80s movie yeah yeah yeah and there's those weird vampire
1:19:56
things that hug people oh yeah and then just like solidify you yeah yeah I remember my dad used to that to me with
1:20:01
his raincoat when it come back from work and then you would squeal and they were eating and tended to like Powers
1:20:08
but yeah Beastmaster was weird uh for that I love it oh yeah but yeah so yeah
1:20:15
the rounds up yeah about the greatest advocate respectable yeah smell again go again stay here go earlier and stay hang
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out with me Viking friends outside yeah yeah yeah
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welcome to the Expo
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we arrived and uh we were getting like some teasing coffees from like the Starbucks like right outside and then a
1:20:47
chap in in Viking clothing was just like oh this is awesome like I wondered if I'd meet one of you wow and then I'm
1:20:54
like cool Viking man it's just like yeah it's quite cool yeah yeah it didn't have
1:21:00
a weapon with him so it's fine no probably not allowed to take him in no probably not yeah especially if it's not
1:21:05
real the only thing we said is the like the very the last games Expo I went to which was a long time ago wasn't even in
1:21:10
Birmingham and you see it was when it used to be held in the Masonic Lodge out to uh Edge Boston
1:21:16
you have to go for a toilet yeah yeah you just had to do like a really weird
1:21:21
handshake where you like tickle someone yeah yeah they do that apparently yeah so well creepy that just sounds creepy
1:21:29
yeah but then you know so did the Space Marines they're all into lodges aren't they at least the chaos ones yeah
1:21:35
[Music] we talked about that previously haven't we yeah I can't say oh yes yeah yeah
1:21:43
I'm vaguely remembering what on Earth it was about what's the camera there on Jeff I apologize is it still working yes
1:21:52
I wasn't we I was on the wine shop so it's fine that's fine yeah yeah that's like a wide shot you do have you want
1:21:59
you should be I like earthquake oh my god oh we could be like oh yes yes
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exceptional viewing for our Audio Only listeners um
1:22:13
it's gonna say a quick shout out to Steve Morris thank you very much for sending us a Roman a gladiator and a Greek I sadly can't remember who kindly
1:22:21
sent my doggie a new Kong but I was very kind of oh that was uh Dean Hans Dean
1:22:27
Studios they sent this whole bunch of stuff oh yeah it's very nice one because she's made the most of it she's loving
1:22:32
it I did wonder what it was at first well we've had this discussion before yeah yeah
1:22:38
you assured me it was a dog toy yeah I didn't realize these were plastic obviously on the box it says plastic kit
1:22:44
but they're really cool probably paint some of those on the stream Steve's thank you very much yeah thank you for joining us on the patreon as well Steve
1:22:50
it's very very good of you yeah used to do at a workshop in full jeweled oh really exciting major I can't remember
1:22:56
what regiment you're in there but something scary oh yeah you can tell us that's just out of pure interest I'd like to know check it in the comments
1:23:02
Steve if you're watching or in patreon even though even after all these years if he was an ex sergeant major I'd still probably be terrified of a matter of
1:23:08
real life trying to find myself bracing up yeah
1:23:13
not knowing anything about military I'm just sort of like I don't know what that means sergeant major like a boss yeah
1:23:19
sergeant major is uh is the last rank or two before you can not go any higher as
1:23:25
an on commission non-commissioned man okay and um stupid question what is a
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commissioned man that's an officer oh an officer right okay so how do you do your officer training yeah you generally have
1:23:37
to you can you can jump it if you you go far enough a good one of my very very
1:23:43
long-standing friends from since I was a child A Child Called Paul Grady he made his way from uh private well from
1:23:49
Atlanta Corporal because he was in the military police you you become a lunch couple straight away okay and he went
1:23:55
all the way through to finishing as a captain in the intelligence Corps that's interesting because my dad was in the
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Cavalry and he was called a lance corporate when there were the Lancers so I assumed that was something to do with being a Lancer and a Corporal but
1:24:06
obviously it's just a lower rank isn't it lance corporal comes from the the stripe and the Lance title comes from
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when back in the day um Knights fought with a lance if you snapped or broken your Lance it was an
1:24:18
honor that I showed you've been fighting extraordinarily hard which is why it's like that oh oh like oh it's broken
1:24:25
is that like um well you command her weirdly you can have lunchcorporal Corporal Sergeants but then if you're in
1:24:31
the guards you have Lance corporal Lance Sergeant he has no two stripers oh well
1:24:37
there's no there's the there is no one stripe a lot of cultural ways to and
1:24:42
then there's a Landstar which is actually a Corporal where is three what I've always found is the Queen Victoria's thing is the American uh
1:24:49
military yeah the privates get Chevrons as standard it just seems like pfc's private first class yeah yeah so
1:24:57
is that like the lowest yeah but theirs are upside down so they're Chevrons regards which we look at it but yeah but
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it's just like I just have nothing then have something for that yeah because they have it like that and then it has a circular face to it yeah private first
1:25:10
class got a smiley face angry brows but smiley face yeah but yeah RSM is like
1:25:16
God isn't it RSM one of them that's it yeah the RSM even offices scared yeah
1:25:23
behave themselves in the company of the RSM and the RSM if he's practicing if you practice from parade like in my
1:25:29
regiments of practice for St Patrick's Day yeah we're practicing for that when we're all marching around the square if
1:25:35
one of the officers isn't great he if he's not a cat he he doesn't have to say sir he will say captain Jones so for
1:25:42
example or he'll go Captain Jones and he's like it'll be yes RSM and he'd be
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like that was a bag of [ __ ] Captain Jones sort it out all right sorry because that's Square the parade square
1:25:53
is his yeah you know you you
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accept that he's in charge yeah he's not the highest ranking man yeah yeah it's like medical officers uh can uh oh yeah
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they are yeah the ammo the ammo can completely if the um if you add a Gammy leg and you say your captain said to you
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I don't care how bad your leg is you're running yeah your your ammo could go so you could say no he's not and he can
1:26:19
override oh right he can ride any any rank within the regiment if if it's for the goods of the soldier you just have
1:26:25
that mild power as a first aider at head office nice Let It Go no you're going home oh we need him to finish his no
1:26:31
he's going home because he's nearly dead rmo all right it doesn't have two hearts
1:26:40
RM would like to really rub it in that he was cool because he's like oh he's only the all right he's clever because he's the doctor but ours was the doctor
1:26:46
who also on his uniform had a Commando tiger Commando trains which is like all right
1:26:53
ridiculously difficult he'd perform surgery with a dagger that's uh Royal Marine Commandos
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I don't think they get issued anymore they used to get what was called the Stiletto yes but they don't get issued
1:27:07
anymore but they still wear it it's like oh deck it might be called the deck yeah but if we say War they wear it as a
1:27:13
badge of honor as to you know the chap who was sat yeah in this chair it was a
1:27:18
royal Marine yeah he was a royal Marine when you could tell a mile away when I met him in the flesh because they always are massively broad on the shoulders
1:27:24
yeah yeah they all you can tell them you can you know if you you know get a lot of very fit men in the Army but you can
1:27:29
tell the difference between one of the between an infantryman and a royal Marine yeah they're just really broad
1:27:35
because they do a lot of rope work and they do a lot of swimming and they get good oh okay yeah because I guess it's
1:27:41
like you're gonna infiltrate this place and we're gonna swim in yeah over the channel and then up a cliff
1:27:49
um and then with our teeth we're gonna climb it with our teeth because I'm holding the machine guns yes or they
1:27:56
could do Tarzan and do it with those butt cheeks yeah that's right
1:28:02
he's holding like Jane with both hands and it's someone's like where's the
1:28:08
Russell yeah because he's going down the back isn't it like that yeah it's just clenching it in his ass
1:28:14
she could be someone's drawing the back of it haven't they yeah I've not seen Royal Marine Commando training blood's
1:28:19
probably in there yeah yeah yeah that's it maybe maybe you do like your your
1:28:25
selection training and they're like right now you're in we do the special training
1:28:30
you must keep this to yourself I want to be in the SAS secret knowledge
1:28:40
oh so you promise soldiers brilliant episode of extras yeah yeah
1:28:47
thank you I was like I was trying to remember what his name was then I was like a long time for Ross Camp because I
1:28:52
think you know when when things were really bad don't Afghanistan he thought is it is this ridiculous that it's come
1:28:57
to this world that we have to rely on an X soap star to be the man actually out there telling what life is really like
1:29:04
for these poor guys on the ground yeah there's no news channels doing it nobody else is doing it we were relying on an
1:29:09
EXO pack to 12 the to have the you know the balls to go out there yeah and do that and to tell the story exactly you
1:29:16
know he's done some great documentaries yes I can't remember which uh TV show is now
1:29:23
let's have a like big train or something like that it's a comedy sketch and it does like Ross Kemp on gangs and he's
1:29:28
like and he's interviewing uh a gang it's like so this gang we were interviewing today uh uh quite creepy
1:29:34
they hire a van and they uh they work from the van and they go hunting for people that are dressed as ghosts and it
1:29:41
ends up being like uh um Scooby-Doo's gang that's always interviewing those
1:29:47
and then they'll start getting a bit weird and like like a Scooby-Doo be in like a whole load of sandwiches in one going is like things were hurting up I
1:29:53
had to get out of there quick and every time I just ended him running off and it was like I had to get out of there quick
1:29:58
yeah oh yeah oh but it was like the railway children there was
1:30:03
just like talking about he's just like really yeah that's great because it was because what
1:30:11
was um what was the roskem SAS TV show that was on ITV Ultimate Force oh it was amazing yeah
1:30:19
and it was it was really really bad but then when when he went to Afghanistan he
1:30:24
had to do his like learn how to fire a rifle yeah properly and be like you have the right to defend yourself yeah and he
1:30:30
did his test and he was like you know it's not my rifle the sights aren't set up and this that and the other but I've got like a passing score and there was a
1:30:38
guy on the Range who read out all the scores and then he was like Kemp so and so SAS my ass
1:30:46
yeah it's great I always like to remind you
1:30:52
you're not really yeah yeah um but it was interesting yeah I remember when I was yeah young I had the
1:31:00
Ultimate Force season one or two on potentially even three on DVD and they seem to start off like semi-realistic
1:31:06
and then it just went and then and then it just went away Doctor Who thing you know whenever they
1:31:11
went abroad to have a fight in the sand that was basically just a quarry somewhere yeah yeah like the funny thing was
1:31:20
um they they I think they episode one they were like right what do people know the SAS for storming yeah
1:31:29
and it was a tiny Bank Job Done by like and it was just these guys met in a barn
1:31:35
and were like here's a sworn off shotgun and then it's like right send in the essays and it's like we're just some
1:31:42
Tiny Town in the little bank and then and then like one of them one of the SS guys like does get killed
1:31:49
um yeah he's just sort of like I just wanted
1:31:55
some pennies Bank um and yeah it's like complete Overkill but also just hilarious because it's
1:32:01
like right we want to do this SAS TV show we've got no budget what do we do yeah
1:32:06
um and yeah it's brilliant and then they just get worse and worse and worse you get more and more ridiculous yeah yeah
1:32:12
so yeah and Middleton is in a uh from SAS who does wins if you ever watch
1:32:17
those yeah movie Now isn't he who's he yeah he plays a baddie so I'm intrigued by that
1:32:23
I was like fact that it's called SAS who does wins and he was always like the main guy on it was actually in the SBS not that there's you know ones any
1:32:29
better than the other boats yeah but most of the staff at one point in time were all SBS and go but not as many
1:32:34
people know what that is compared to yeah because that's a boat service right yeah they're mostly
1:32:40
mostly mostly Royal ex-marines uh the more Royal Marines mostly not completely
1:32:45
but mostly yeah yeah we'll go into there and they just Nick and poach them yeah poach them yeah yeah generally and you
1:32:52
know but guys from other places as well but um most it's like if you have to pin it
1:32:58
down like SAS will mostly be made up of powers and if you the SPs will mostly be made up of Commandments figures oh right
1:33:04
okay well they are like the creme of that kind of illness so it's the next time to say about the powers but they
1:33:11
are exceptionally good so yeah they're just they're just they're not should we put it in the nicest possible way
1:33:16
they're not great company my older when I was a Cadets my sergeant
1:33:22
he was a falcon Bridge he was a parrot yeah the typical sort of Falklands Tash yeah another one a little bit too long
1:33:28
yeah yeah yeah but it was really nice did you have the weird cheekbones the hairy cheekbones no they used to do this
1:33:34
weird thing the Paris was bizarre um they grew if they could manage it this bit here they would be clean shaven
1:33:43
did up their regulation mustache which is just a little bit longer than it should be and then weirdly little hairy
1:33:48
cheekbones oh right it's just a really odd thing never noticed always in the same gear as well the Ultra Man wore uh
1:33:54
Barber jackets jeans turned up a little bit too high and desert boots okay on a shaved head I don't know the IRA ever
1:34:00
spotted them when they were not wearing their uniform oh right yeah yeah oh it's quite interesting football Hooligans
1:34:07
yeah with a really strong dress code yeah yeah yeah going back to gaunts and being
1:34:14
like why would they have all these guard people not like each other and then and then it's like oh Paris yeah
1:34:20
see the parasado thing which was um do you call your crap hat which if you
1:34:27
didn't wear a maroon ballet you wore a crap hat and that was I was wondering where the berries really weird as well
1:34:32
because most most tend to have it like above the the left yeah the left eye then obviously it comes down but they always had like a working man's Cup and
1:34:39
the reason for one reason for that cheap is because they weirdly don't have a fold in it the same way as everyone
1:34:44
else's because they wear they wear this very big plastic oval uh backing
1:34:51
inside it so with that bit where it should really crease around the badge that doesn't happen with this because
1:34:56
they've got this big piece of plastic inside and that creates that slightly weird shape interesting yeah
1:35:02
yeah that's how that's how that comes about so this is like working men yeah they look like oh well everyone's got
1:35:09
like really weird like yeah you know French phone Legion I'm a weird one thing well I was always told off when we
1:35:15
my regiment we used to wear a thing instead called a core Bean which was like look like a beret but bigger which was this like traditional Irish
1:35:21
headdress and then we Amalgamated with what used to be used to the fence regiment and we stopped in the Royal Irish ranges and became the Royal Irish
1:35:27
regiment and one of the give and takes was that r became the one you wore with your best
1:35:34
uniform and our day-to-day hat became the Green Beret that the Royal Austin defense regiment War so has this been a
1:35:40
give and take really sure we had to start wearing them and the minute I had water Barry before would be in a
1:35:46
Guardsman so I I knew what they were like and then I because I was that sort of man when it came to being a soldier
1:35:51
the first thing I had to do was was uh write off and get one from this uh army
1:35:56
officer Taylors for the army officers so it ends up had this lovely blue satin line underneath and it was really small
1:36:02
and I always had the cat badge far too far around my head's gonna be something like Safari you're not in the French Foreign
1:36:10
like nice nice I spent my life I used to walk
1:36:16
around the barracks like I was on the fire because I was always just constantly looking around round corners to make sure there wasn't a sergeant
1:36:22
major strutting towards me going why are you in that combat jacket why haven't you got a belter why are you wearing
1:36:27
American army jungle boots because I just never wore a uniform correctly I spent life and I would rather still wear
1:36:35
it and risk the screaming and the stalking around the barracks that actually just wear what I was meant to and not get told off I'd rather go for
1:36:42
the I'd rather go for the beef yeah I don't know why I just thought I've
1:36:48
gotta have my own little stamp on what I wear use loads of people that did it wasn't like I was doing okay there's
1:36:53
always people wearing gear you wear metal and I had a paratrooper Smock I've never jumped out of a plane in your life with no intention of overdoing so but
1:36:59
the smocks were just cooler yeah yeah I really wanted my dad did a swap because he had a spare kit and I come and Barry
1:37:05
got hold of a spare kit but we've got like some American gi's stuff I haven't got a helmet
1:37:11
um a jacket and he's he's called something uh Oliver's so that's his surname is Oliver's uh so he had a few
1:37:17
bits there and I think he had some other bits and Bobs back on the weapon to them but it was like the Vietnam era 80s so
1:37:24
I've got the covers oh yeah yeah it comes in two bits so you've got like the steel bit and then you take it off it looks like a kid's toy yeah a little toy
1:37:30
in an inner helmet yeah yeah and then you have like all the wrappings and stuff that go over it um but yeah still got those aim oh okay my gear was just I
1:37:38
was always just on the the scrap if I came into contact with any red any army that wasn't from you know was from
1:37:44
abroad I was like if you've got bear one of them have you got any more of them can I get one of them and and the thing
1:37:49
is is they loved like especially the Americans you know anything with a crown on it you know anything that looked a bit British oh right okay like you know
1:37:56
have you got I I ended up at one point in time with this really lovely fold out camp bed that was from an American Army
1:38:02
and I will do we were moving a loads of stuff and I was like so where'd you get them I said have you got any spare with
1:38:08
them and the guy was like what have you got to trade and I was like what you want and he went have you
1:38:13
got any more of them and it was me cat badge and I went I'm sure I've got one on my bag somewhere and I just went and had a look and I had another cat badge
1:38:20
and it was literally you know it's like metal you could Bend oh no right it's just literally just an Irish Harp with a
1:38:26
crown on the top of it yeah and I went yeah he went yeah I'll swap a bed for that bed just like come on let's go
1:38:32
well out of that I always find it funny with uh talking about berries when you watch like movies you can tell someone
1:38:38
that's not had a military advisor on set because they have the berry like you get the black liner here and then as opposed
1:38:43
to being down to one side it's just like all right yeah I hate it it's my hill to
1:38:49
die on yeah yeah you know especially because I remember watching Remember You Know It Yourself
1:38:54
will show Luther yeah it was an episode in that where a royal Marine Commando had gone completely off the tracks and
1:39:00
it's a bit when you know like they they do that that with that last video before they kill themselves yeah yeah sitting
1:39:06
in his Blues which is like then the really nice ceremonial uniform of Their Own Marines and he's sitting with his
1:39:11
fists on his knees which is the way you would do for photographs and he's in this role Marine Berry and I was thinking there must be more Royal
1:39:16
Marines up and down the country going we don't wear it like that what's that if you've got to get the uniform right
1:39:22
for the love of God just go find some reason the Royal Marines and go shape that Berry yeah yeah which is a really
1:39:27
complex thing you have to hot and cold water yeah you have to have two sinks next to each other oh right yeah because
1:39:33
my dad shaped the moment I was a Cadets on a pan and he was doing yeah and yeah you test fit on your head and you put it
1:39:39
back in again and then you put your fingers around the side to get the grooves because there's so much more to it and
1:39:45
then a towel and then you wrap a towel up roughly the sort of circumference of your head and you stuff the towel inside the berry and then you have to leave it
1:39:50
to dry and then you know then if you've done it right it'll very slightly shrink so it's a bit smaller which is always
1:39:56
you know the smaller you can get your battery to look the cooler it is you know oh it's a ridiculous it's ridiculous
1:40:03
yeah yeah yeah welcome to the Beret podcast uh you know if you know if he didn't some people didn't them
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[Laughter] it's a weird wealthy are we yeah yeah I
1:40:31
mean it's it's completely alien to me so yeah yeah doing a working Camp that's as
1:40:38
bad as it sounds when I was a connection you can go on to like a natural army base and you like two weeks on a camp and that was like nah I'm good
1:40:45
yeah yeah I'm all right respect to another does it but no I'm fine yeah I remember my first one
1:40:53
of them as a Cadet was um we've been out on the night time just learning to do Maneuvers in the dark and
1:40:58
as we were all coming back we did the the government make your way back and as
1:41:03
we started making our way back we um we came into contact with a car that was gently rocking oh nice there's a couple
1:41:10
of it enjoying themselves and one of them went up and come back and obviously all the scouse kids going dish
1:41:18
we all wanted to try and be like real soldiers everybody then went into their kit and put on their respirators and
1:41:25
then crawled to the car and then leads up it's just like 25 gas mask whereas
1:41:31
that would be terrifying you've never seen trousers go up so fast
1:41:36
in your life there isn't it yeah
1:41:45
yeah but again where did you take us gas about Central apparently yeah yeah
1:41:52
firing ranges it's on the way to set between Liverpool and Southport yeah
1:41:58
oh yeah that's not going to be a popular dog inside anymore we put paid to that we did
1:42:06
and on that note um we haven't talked about Warhammer in ages
1:42:11
um yeah we're now in 42 in so I mentioned about Burrows yeah the tan if we're berries yeah
1:42:17
we talked about 10th yeah no we did yeah we did we talked extensively about the
1:42:22
black Library about black Library yeah we did yeah yeah it's lovely because you know I've read so much of it and
1:42:27
forgotten it but when yeah is it like when you have a kid and then
1:42:33
they're like the kids like oh my God light switches you know and you're just rediscovering life through Through The Eyes Of You Yeah Yeah
1:42:41
Christmas isn't fun again yeah yeah but yeah no I'm thoroughly enjoying my
1:42:47
Warhammer novels yeah I've got a whole bunch of sisters about one to read through or listen to yeah I need to I
1:42:53
haven't had any sisters ones faith faith and fire something like that
1:42:59
there's a few of them I've got to work through but to my embarrassment I haven't obviously been on trying to
1:43:04
understand more of it for Isaac's Army I've not read any black Templars you've read some black Templar and uh
1:43:10
hell's reach yeah yeah and you know generally like the religious fascists
1:43:15
why can't you love me yeah yeah with more chains and skirts yeah so yeah right yeah yeah and and like they don't
1:43:22
they don't even really say like anything about the Orcs like and and it is just
1:43:28
one big sort of massive scrap yeah um and and it's on Armageddon yeah yeah basically and it was yeah and it wasn't
1:43:35
even the first time they've done it a few times yeah so they say like oh the Orcs are come back like again and and
1:43:41
there is only so many times grimaldis can hit someone with the craziest like it you're like what's that like the
1:43:48
fifth hundred or um so he keeps going on little detours to talk to people a little bit and give
1:43:54
arousing speeches yeah and site site but he gives his rousing speech his most rousing speech he gives that quite early
1:44:00
on and you're like yes grimaldis and then and then he kind of just like goes
1:44:05
away a little bit and then and um and then like he learns his lesson at the
1:44:11
end about you know like who he is and what he represents and this that and the other like when all of his mates are
1:44:16
dead so um but no it is is really good yeah I'm almost getting out of that one at some
1:44:22
point yeah there's another hell-backed one that was released not that long ago as well I think came out no time with
1:44:27
the black templates yeah yeah we rebuilds of the army yeah as well yeah
1:44:32
let's try and get that red the the voice I can't remember the name of the voice actor that does Hell's reach put that was done really well because he geraldus
1:44:40
like he goes down to Hell reach and essentially been left there to die and he's like well what for like this is a
1:44:46
bit pointless um and then um because it's like the city's gonna be
1:44:51
dead anyway all the industry will be destroyed and he's sort of like what are we dying for and then he gets stuck in a
1:44:57
room um doing admin for like nine days and and the way it's written and then the
1:45:03
way like it the voice actor does it and he's like I did this for nine
1:45:08
it like he pauses and he's like I did this for nine ah
1:45:13
nine days and it's just really good yeah
1:45:19
when you're a thousand year old Marine you just thought nine days is popular now and off yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
1:45:25
yeah yeah it is really good there's there's some really really wicked moments in that
1:45:30
book yeah it's it's definitely worth um worth a read cool yeah I wonder if he's
1:45:36
just zealous with his admin
1:45:48
I can't remember the specific wordings of it but when they're like introducing the black Templars and they say like you
1:45:54
know most like all the other Space Marines where the uh the Aquila on their
1:45:59
chest as a as like a symbol of the emperor but we don't because we are the
1:46:04
symbol of the emperor and you're just like oh
1:46:13
some of the black Templar Crusader bodies as they um instead of having
1:46:18
either the double eagle head in the middle of the wings or the skull
1:46:23
um they just have a um small Shield so they're their iconography of their their oh cool that that's worn in the middle
1:46:30
as well yeah because they're doing all gold to do a gold and then like you know like a white shield with a red diagonal stripe yeah it's quite cool that they've
1:46:37
got so I guess that's going on another thing from like say reading the books and the law and stuff I guess is like
1:46:42
like grimaldo's saying we don't have the Aquila on and then it's like if you get some primaries
1:46:48
on and all that sort of stuff said previously I am when um when my uh
1:46:53
Leviathan box drops I'm gonna shave the oh yeah aquilas off all the Templars and just have a Templar cross decal in the
1:47:00
middle of it yes you did catch all of them yeah nice I think that'll look I think that would not look quite cool I think yeah smashing right cool I think
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that might be yeah no [Music]
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do it do it unlimited bourbon [Music]
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the biscuit so we're consider it unnatural
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somehow the Bourbons have returned um yeah smashing lovely uh thanks to all
1:47:39
of our patrons your lovely people wonderful wonderful stuff um uh I lose track of uh what we're
1:47:45
doing with giveaways and stuff at the minute so we go out uh the uh Gary Morley figure for July yes uh so that's
1:47:52
July's giveaway we had the Army for June so that should be being drawn so the uh well so the Army for June it was like
1:47:58
half of June and July okay yeah so we'll include the Gary Morley thing in that as well I guess cool yeah
1:48:04
but we'll yeah we'll figure it all in so the world eaters are painted with angron yeah yeah and also
1:48:11
um Soul shackle yes which is unicorn poo and and again uh to remind
1:48:18
you of that particular chat that was who were we talking to on that one oh my days we should write this down pat we
1:48:25
should totally write this down um for the figure for Gary Moore it was Gary Moore's favorite figure which is in
1:48:31
his interview he tells you twice I know what that is now uh and for my Army uh
1:48:37
the the one I painted for the video it's the K the Canadian Guardsman I hate the most so watch the 12 hour 15 hour
1:48:43
Canadian Army yeah and I mentioned that don't put the answer in the comments of
1:48:48
YouTube because you won't get anything people keep doing that it's only on patreon so just sign up to patreon to be
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a part of the giveaway yeah so if you put into YouTube it won't I'm sorry but thanks thanks anyway yeah anyway it's
1:49:02
fun there's a couple of them can I just say um there's a couple of Imperial Guard that made you rage it's the one
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who actually gets a name yes yes yes yes yes yes you do say we name him we name him
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endless possibility lovely Wicked thank you thank you very much
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oh that was pretty