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this video is sponsored by Squarespace hello I'm Jeff hello I'm
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Patrick oh that was the wrong camera I'm out of practice that's Ross um hello I'm
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Patrick and I am still an idiot I'm spoilers now it would seem this is
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R this is this is going to go so great face y hey finally got you on
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brilliant yes brilliant for those that don't know already Ross is officially friend of the channel and uh fan of the
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channel fan of the channel friend of the channel and has been a real bit of a rock and help to us in the past so and
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ongoing so we were really really pleased to have you on board and I suggested a couple of
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minutes ago that we should talk about you and then the subject and you went no don't talk about me let's talk about the
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subject and we'll get you we promise we'll have you back for a more in-depth one with regards to what is your
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specialty is 3D printing going to kill Games Workshop that's what I'm know for
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is Ross going to kill there's there's the
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thumbnail kill there we go that's the next show
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folks look out for that but you're here in capacity today in the fact that we've
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been convention buddies for the second time now haven't we it's been great I've loved it yeah friends like it's the
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whole like related to war Gamers and stuff I'm I'm like you guys I've got no friends these guys are local I'm just
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like please be my friend it's nice it's nice it's it like I it's quite like an isolating experience I think sometimes
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definitely is being like Oh no I need to spend 10 hours painting this and then 20 hours editing it yeah yeah exactly that
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yeah yeah it's it's a fun game isn't it the old the old YouTube lck but yeah I know we've been convention buddies too
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now we've got two down L yes and adepticon M so me and Pat did a video
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previously about Elio cuz we both went we sadly this time I had to go without
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my wingman and um and but you very kindly stepped in and
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became painting Fe videographer for a few days did yeah and we've got some great footage that you there might be
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some footage that you can currently downloading to my computer yeah that you kindly took on uh on Pat's behalf which
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we're really thankful of thank you very much yeah no worries I mean I did it completely selfishly it wasn't for you
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guys at all I I had a plan to do my own video um which I'm I'm doing a video
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about my failed video on my channel but I was doing my own video and then I got about an hour into the day and realized
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I don't have enough time to do this at a com like I would need me you and you not
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doing what we were there for to get that idea done there's so much to do when I was at lvo um like Byron kept saying
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like oh get off and get some footage and stuff and I was like what I was wondering around getting shots of stuff
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and I was like what video am I going to be able to make out of this a chat show exactly it is just
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we're just going to talk about our experiences then who who we are doing the same thing just the problem footage
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the problem with lvo is because we're not a tactic show it's not a really easy place to make a video out of is it
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because we don't over who did what in the standard and what armies did back yeah welcome to the Las Vegas open if
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you're not here for the open there's a selection of uh 17 stands where you can
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buy paint and brushes and some 3D printed models but this was different wasn't it this was yes not the same
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thing and I think it opened your eyes a bit it did really open my eyes immediately open my eyes because um we
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got there on the first day uh well we we we landed the night before and then we got there we got in there on the Wednesday and unlike alio we had an
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entire day to set up which quite oh instead of the instead of the half day
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yeah yeah you can because it doesn't open till the Thursday but they unlike Elio they allow you in on the Wednesday
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have a whole day set up yeah and it really did feel like you were on a building site didn't it it was just vast
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amounts of stands all going in all at the same time and it was people waiting on their Freight and all the rest of it
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was included unfortunately well organized really well organized they kept us up to date and
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everything and yeah but at first I thought oh I was expecting it to be a b
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bigger thing than this and then I think it might have been you and you know that them walls E de side was come down and I
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was like no so I sort of took a little mini walk the other way and walked around and then there's a vast amount of
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tournament tables and then if you walk the other way around the other wall there's a vast amount of tournament table so the walls come down and then it
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really feels like an event doesn't it yeah yeah cuz I tell you thrice Thrice the size of the room you start in which
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is which is already Thrice the size of the vendor Hall at lbo and that's just one room I like how many times you said
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Thrice Thrice yeah Thrice and need get in Twain in somewhere as well that see the one that caught me out initially was
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um not knowing that that wall was going to come down yeah was I don't know if you remember but when we were at lvo a
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couple of stalles away from hus we had uh the wonderful guys from Dice Baron who has a really big banner yes well
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that Banner was behind us yeah and I I thought that's a really big banner to
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put up when you're just staring straight at us and I was thinking and that's a really
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tiny walkway how was anyone going to get round and I was thinking thought I wouldn't have put that banner up if I was going to on the reverse sides of
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this and then when you went that wall comes out was like ah right and then when you went round when the wall was
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down if you went that way dice bar looked really really big cuz they got a big stall anyway but a really big stall
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but at first I was a bit my tiny mind wasn't come comprehending it all very
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first purchase of a website or domain I love you but then um we got going didn't
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we and on Thursday and St out chops it was Bonkers oh without a doubt without a
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doubt I started doing some filming for me and then I got back to the booth probably an hour and a half after I'd
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started and grabbed a couple of people we'd spoke to the night before and it was at that point I remember but uh
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Byron's brought me here to help out on the booth and the booth was heaving the
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entire time the entire time I was at lvo everybody kept saying I remember you
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said oh just wait till the depts come just wait until very much yeah Ross you said that many times KN and it wasn't um
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especially on the first day I think because um we're just so busy and I did
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manage to run away and grab like 45 minutes for lunch cuz Ed who is the event organizer for artus who we were
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working for great really wonderful guy is very good at making sure everybody is fed and watered yeah and um and I got a
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little bit of a sense of it when I went and got me lunch but over days I think you start the more time you spent in the
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place unlike lvo which is not lv's fault because people are there for a you know
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in for a lot of people quite a serious reason of trying to to to win uh their their particular tour with
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the dented but as you were spending more time there you realize um adepto Conor is like I was
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saying to pass it's like oh it's like a a war game in Village isn't it days a community feel for all the people just
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painting and sitting around the table any flat someone was oh all painting yeah like there were people upstairs
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just in the bar like there was a bar in the middle of the thing and I walked up to get a drink one day and there was just a guy sat there on a table in the
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bar painting his menis like there wasn't a flat surface was
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paint on it was just I you think to yourself I thought they hated me cuz I tell you what I can't paint for more
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than 10 minutes without knocking something over wonder if they that established
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with it that when they come to clean the table I had left it gone to my fist on
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red some non is over there but you do that like cons are different like I've been lucky enough to go to a few now
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with Byron and with Artis Opus and thank you to those guys I'm sure we'll thank them again but like L LV and Nova are
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very much about the game I believe I've not been to Nova but I understand it's similar to that you've then got your other cons which are very board gamey
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like Jen carness and Spiel their just generic board game yeah but adepticon is
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Hobby and it doesn't matter what part of the hobby is it gaming is it painting you've got paint like all it's hobby if
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you like the hobby this is place it felt it felt like uh I think the best way I can put
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it was it felt like our like it was our convention you know I I it was lovely
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because at one point in time I um one of the I I I was on was I don't think I was
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on my lunch but I was on my own for one bit and and I walked around the behind the escalators where it would take you
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to go to the bar there's a big area where people just sit in a large oblong of tables painting yeah just painting
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and and was really nice and I just stopped to some guy and I said I said are you're night Lord to really really cool and then I said you looking forward
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to new light night Lords models coming out with kill team and then he started speaking and I was like I said where you
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from he was like oh I'm I'm um Danish and we were chatting a while and then the really lovely thing he was he was
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working away on this contempt to dreadn and then when me and you went around the cabinets on the Saturday night that
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dreadn was then in the cabinet painting his golden still painting his the Hotel
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Inc yeah and it was a really it and the nice thing about it is um you're never
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considered nosy are you if you stop and speak to anybody and going what are you doing m they really happy to to go I'm
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doing this or I'm playing this or and it was it it was probably
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um I think it's the the nicest Mass environment because I've
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been to Birmingham games Expo I've been to games days GW games days in the past
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but this was the felt like the most sort of all Encompass and oh yeah nice
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environment to be around people that to do what we do you're more likely to find people at this event who are at least
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somewhat into your thing yeah like you like UK games Expo some people could be there for chess there could be a chess
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tournament going on for all we know but here it's like and chess is fine no no disrespect to the chess fans out there
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the mil game it is I remember was it um oh who's it who's it I think it was Bob
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talking abith yeah talking about chess pieces and how you can you know you can
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look at a piece from a a gaming distance a couple of feet away and go yeah that's a rook that's a knight that's the king
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that's the queen everything's so instant recognizable I oh so clever it's good for design inspiration that good for
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design inspiration yeah love chess so welcome to the chess phas yeah
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yeah off to let's play stuck down that road I am horrifically bad at
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chess is this is this what it's become is it become a it's the damage rolls I always confused by I always I think they
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they really need to take rerolls out the game off chess because there's just no consequences anymore for bad rolls yeah
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when I found out that I couldn't that my night couldn't have an invulnerable save I thought this this might not be the
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game for me wait wait for the next Edition yeah we'll see what happens when there'll be a rules update soon when
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when chess uh Version 9 million 42 comes out we clearly we clearly all understand
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how chess Works absolutely yeah but um yeah it was a it
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and and the thing as well as which was nice as well is that when we would close of an evening
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all of the vendors were all very happy to speak to each other everyone was quite Community everyone sort of add each other's back a little bit yeah
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especially on the um especially on the first day cuz the amount of people running around in blind panic saying to
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each other have you got a knife have you got a pen oh God yeah everyone no one had turned up with the right am of any
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equipment because you're either flying or driving and obviously like getting through with a knife everybody's hobby
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knife or craft knife or box opener is in the last box under every other box on
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I remember last time Byron was like has anyone got any Chaos
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Black still couldn't get any we got so bad for spray in in for having undercoat
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was that Byron actually said if a customer is prepared to go and buy chaos
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black spray we'll give them brushes for him yeah Sensational CU it it was that
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yeah so for some reason like and it's not like GW didn't take sprays they took sprays there were sprays there there no
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chaos black so maybe they understand like that'll be in such high demand I mean the cues for their Booth were were
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huge the entire time really especially the first day because was there any like new releases that were there or uh yes
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uh did 30 wasn't did 30k guard come out so so but what most people because
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it was weird because on the first day we we opened and we did get very quickly a
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massive Rush on but initially no one could get to us cu the queue all the way down our aisle was heading to the games
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W and that was because of the two um exclusive Miniatures two two well they
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convention Miniatures aren't they not just them Friends of the at least the con friends uh Monument Hobbies they had
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a queue halfway up the aisle as well oh wow so yeah absolutely huge that's good
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for them yeah because there was the limited edition crout and that sort of
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wasn't that yeah the bird be face I remember yeah like the night from oh yeah I saw a picture pretty cool I did
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really like that one to be honest like I'm normally a 40K guy but that that Sigma model really ever increasingly as
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as me and Jeff say to each other in all these releases we were like yeah 4K stuff is okay oh the sigma models look
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so good yeah it's weird I like you going to play Sigma no I like the Miniatures a
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lot more of the game I don't want to play exactly yeah yeah it's since cities I think isn't it like since cities came
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out really started yeah they're repealing and they were you know and
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also as well and I think which we'll talk about a bit more and a bit but reflected in Golden demon some of the golden demon from Asia Sigmar and was
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really B but yeah so initially when we opened up there was a massive big queue of people heading to gamees workshop and
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then once that sort of filtered out the way then it just went Bonkers didn't it oh yeah it was absolutely Bonkers I um I
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already on the first day felt like I was losing my ability to talk and um and I
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was saying to Pat earlier when I woke up for my old man's we in the middle of the night and found out that one of my feet
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didn't work completely just stopped working and you know I was touching
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though that I got to the toilet in time to be fair as I dragged my useless just like crawling yeah almost I dragged this
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useless side sty in flap of meat dragged it towards the toilet but um yeah that
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was quite but but they're Shor of days aren't they that does help like so instead cuz I think um lvo we were there
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like 8 till 8 w we for the days here was 10 till 6 so it's a more reasonable yeah
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like retail day working act J but it was far hard but it was funny because it was
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like 4 hours less which was great yeah but I felt like I did I was as busy as I
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had been if I'd been doing the amount of running around and dealing with people yeah I think we felt busier on the
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Thursday than lvo felt in total it
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okay nonstop non it was brilliant though like I I don't know about you but the energy of a con is the most exhausting
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work I've ever done to a degree yeah um bear in mind I've never had your
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career I wouldn't get up at 5:00 a.m. um but yeah it's some of the most exhausting work you can do because it's
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non-stop you cannot stop talking you are sore in your muscles in your throat but it's so rewarding and you can't like I
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by the time it came to the end I was I was glad it was done but I was sad it was over yes yes I did feel that I when
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I got to Sunday night after we packed up and I thought I know it would make sense because we packed up but I did think myself if this convention had gone
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another day I think that probably would have been the end of you know if it'd been a Monday I think that would have
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literally wiped me out because it was pretty full on so was it four four days there it Friday Friday Saturday Sunday
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with W so five with wed that was only four or five hours no it wasn't too bad and the the funny
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thing is though unlike Vegas where I sort of felt when we did Vegas when we finished I couldn't wait to go yeah and
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we with this we quite happily could have just which we did two nights where we could wait to go cuz we've been stuck on
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a coach learning about Joshua trees for yes nobody even did you you
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explained that didn't you on the lbo thing but unless you were there you cannot understand the pain of this 4our
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conversation want to just go after the guy but it was it was an experience he still got mention while we this one but
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um but we but at the end of every day though you I didn't on the days that we
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we we did stay behind it didn't feel like a it didn't feel like a a drama to go well we'll just go upstairs and eat
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there and hang around cuz it was such a just such a lovely environment yeah I was happy to but we did we did um we did
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go out and um and and have some more so than I think in Vegas we we we had quite
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well didn't a nice company we we at one night with the monument hobby guys as we
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desperately try I tried desperately tried to explain to them what mushy peas are which was they didn't have a clue
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which took up quite a considerable amount of time I mean I'm I'm not like a I'm not a mushy pea fan like when when
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Goose fa's on inh you've got to there's there's the mushy pea stand and they
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have TVs with like somebody with a really broad accent talking about the history of peas and I'm just and he be
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like oh my dad's dad he used to get up in the morning and mush every pee individually um and they really go hard
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on the mushy peas especially in Notting him we explain that you can also have mushy peas you know generally consumed
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with fish and chips but you can have them minted and then in a bread roll and
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then that became a that to me is quite bizarre yeah and it's a very notic thing I've never at that in Liverpool I've
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never at a minted pee in Liverpool but then it to a sub a subcategory of
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conversation which to me was really bizarre that they didn't that the monument gang didn't understand is what
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is mint sauce oh yeah they think when they said minted they just mint of like
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as in as mint as in a savy thing and then having to explain that mint sauce is finely chopped mint leaves in know
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like a vinegar type sauce of a paint medium and it's flavored exactly that and it was a bit
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like you know horse rat you know the way you treat horseradish well I know you and then the whole problem is going I
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know you don't eat a lot of lamb but imagine you were eating lamb and it was just it was was two hours of like different
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foods and us arguing that that like cheese in America is not cheese like
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they do have good cheeses but we couldn't find them anywhere no and their chocolate's crap what I disagree there
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no it's like eating soil I I I need to on behalf of our of your American
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viewers is wrong I brought a is it a six I think
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it's a sixpack or an eight pack of like Hershey's with um biscuit in like every night I've been like AAR probably why
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I'm still feeling bad from from the event I tell you what we did get which was it was it the only good chocolate in
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America is the stuff that makes you go to sleep yeah why do this CH very nice cuz it's
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got Nock today this video is sponsored by squ
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space and it actually will be yeah but um but as well to be fair
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which was a really lovely thing what was the name of the lovely lady who is the main person for setting up a Depon uh I
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I want to say Cheryl but it's not that um but there was a lot was the name it's
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yes shell runs a little although being like one of the major people involved in the whole thing um also ran a little
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stand where when you were setting up on the first day which was a really lovely thing when you were setting up on first day there was water fruit crisps all
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just for the V people inredible really quite difficult yeah and then and
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then on um on the Saturday which is because it's deemed the busiest day um
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we had which I thought were a thing of myth and Legend after watching lots of American movies Girl Scout cookies of
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different VAR yes where were they where were they yeah they were on the same stand were they I
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had the crisps I see I have Quavers for breakfast so yeah I went straight for the crisps oh I can I I I can never eat
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Quavers after my friend described them as I'm going to have to beep all of this out but he was just like they taste and
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smell uh and look like for the emperor P the UN I've never eaten Quavers again oh
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my God is that going to be in the show some to some degree it'll a Vari of it I
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forgot I'll just put this the Space Marine sensing machine we did that was part of the
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conversation there wasn't it we got on to crisps and the monument guys were like what a quav and it's like they're like they're like cheese crisp they
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quave yeah they were like what is quing yeah does one quave um yeah it's
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very common English word we all know what quav is if you say it's it's a piece of fried potato but it's got a
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quave in it obvious what that is yeah yeah totally spiffing um yeah I think
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the nice thing as well wasn't it was seeing which I even you know can think it's only my second convention but
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thinking a meeting customers who I met at Elio so which was really nice there
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people I I I realized I remember shout out to Sergio bluehead Sergio get to
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Blue we'll get to bluehead Sergio in a minute oh and um D you Sergio what have
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you done oh we have and and yeah and and then loads of and
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increasingly more and more vendors that we knew already as well wasn't it like say we're we're quite tight with the the
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the lovely people at Monument were um talking to dice Baron and but increasingly people was walking around
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going I met you last time and it was and that was really really nice isn't it yeah did you say multiple people brought
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you teabags yes the G the lovely gentleman who runs uh Games Workshop us
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brought me um I've just got the title of this video brought me tea bags brought me tea bags and the thing and it can't
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be especially be in mind he's an American chap brought me PG tips and brought me a packet of digestives oh
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very good and you know milka yeah yeah yeah like
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the European jaff cakes milka Jaffer cakes why again I was there and I didn't
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see any of these they went all and open we did we went a bit silly on day one we we got a load of snacks and then we like
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right from Target and we'll we'll put them under the counter so obviously customers can't see them and it you know looks nice and pretty didn't touch we
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didn't have time to touch them for the entire and the worst of that was me and me and uh me and Ross here went to
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Target to get food and then because we had to take Byron being the strict vegan
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that he is into consideration yes we had like borderline existential breakdowns and
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we V at one point Ross was like Ross was
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like if it's got no flavor and it's dry is that something a vegan canita which a
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woman in the that is the funniest thing I've ever heard and she walked C
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brilliant What was the um what was the spoof video about cucumber pizzas so
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yeah so I forget he's he's a really popular YouTuber but I never forget his name everyone will recognize him it's like yeah the Cucumber Pizza is made um
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sorry not the the vegan pizza so for a base you slice cucumbers lay them out like a base and then for a sauce you
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blend a cucumber and and make a sauce but then you also need toppings so if you slice a cucumber and put them on top
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that's that's a topic sadly they didn't sell lemon Target for Byron did they so we just we looked for like nuts
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and Grains and bird seed and and things like that he seemed happy enough he did yeah yeah that you know he thought if
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you could put it on a tray in your garden so the wild local Wildlife Byron
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would be quite happy to meet that no since he's are you know lots of energy
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out exactly it'll be 160 yeah he'll get the last laugh when we're all dead
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eventually there'll be an adepticon left there'll be an adep be so everybody else
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will have passed away every other company will have fizzled out yeah but um yes and then the thing that we had to
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do which was forus wasn't it was one night we um we deted a really nice Mexican restaurant fat Rosies fat Rosies
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and then we went back the following night y we was we were basically too many of us really for the table so we we
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did the the nice thing and the four the four minions as we were we were yeah yeah we we stepped out and went next
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door to uh a pizzeria and had oh what was it called it wasn't giovanis it was
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something it's a really popular one that everyone recommends you go to chag people from Chicago will be screaming at
28:19
any there will be there will be comments it's clearly this Geor if you remember I'll I'll put the name like underne it
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or something but um had my first ever Chicago which was basically like someone
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had Wrestled a lasagna inside something a little bit like a pizza and it was
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amazing but but we didn't get how it worked did we cuz like you go down you look chees under the sauce well it's not
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so much that it's more like you look at your portion they did small medium large I think we got a small each didn't we we
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got a small each and the only sensible person was our our friend Ed a single
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saving one we like smaller than a small who'd have that and
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then when you realize you forget that you're in the US they B them on tears didn't they they so like my pizza was on
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the bottom then there were like two like like on cake stands almost if you will
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wow okay so yeah you had to actually have them on different levels just so they fit on the table you know I'm a man
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who famously can put his food away but I think I got two slices in and thought I think I think I'm broken yeah I think
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I'm managed through I think it was sliced into six and I either managed 30 or4 cuz I did come back with pizza yeah
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in a box that I thought I'll eat the next day and it went in me backpack and it never seen the light of again and I
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was really upset that I didn't eat it and the thing that annoyed me most at least you brought yours home well I didn't bring it back to the UK but but I
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did a thing going how long can you how long can you leave you know Pizza people
29:51
The Annoying Thing is and i' found out that he was a fridge in me bluming room did you not know no oh man I did but
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after throw me piz but at least you got yours back to the hotel like we were waiting at that night it was out in the
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cold so I was stood like what was the temperature like outside it SED one day
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but it still wasn't cold was it like cuz it wasn't windy even in we weren't in the windy city but yeah it was it wasn't
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windy so it wasn't too cold um but yeah so we went there and then we went back to Fat roses to wait for Byron to finish
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his meal and they had like an outdoor fire pit so I'm stood next to that like shivering cuz all I'd got on his this hoodie in a t-shirt cuz that's what I
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live all I've ever seen you wear it's literally I'm like an insane Steve Jobs like I'm nowhere near as rich but I wear
30:35
the same outfit cuz I always I just have like black jeans and and I'm just like
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well everything goes with black jeans and then it's just less to think about I can see why people do it yeah I like not
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thinking about stuff yeah I do it's so good especially as you get older yeah but speaking of not thinking about stuff
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so I I stood there and I'm like warming my hands on this fire taxi turns up so we leg it to the taxi and I'd left my
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pizza are on the table a and I'd only eaten half the not even half I'd had two slices like him different reason I'd
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cracked my tooth the night before in half oh [ __ ] totally different story we can't share that one we can't share that story at all we're just going to leave
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people guessing so I'd crack my tooth in know the truth Ed Ed knows the truth yeah I was sharing a room with Ed um oh
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yeah he's always been quite forceful hasn't he you're
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right yeah please please leave your your uh your your Theory down in the comments and whoever gets the right answer will
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win a free brush set yeah courtesy Byron exactly thanks
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Byron um but no so I'd left my pizza there and jumped in cracked my tooth um these guys the next morning headed off
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to the thing I had to go to Target to find like a temporary filling solution for my tooth holy crap and as we drove
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back past fat roses the next day my pizza was still there on the table like me and I was just there like in almost
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in slow motion watching it like no no cuz we were like it was we were the other side of an American road which
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like 18 Lanes lock wide or something like that and but I just saw it like
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pizza oh so terrible I brought them with me you'll know it but um our lovely
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friend that we met at lvo being blue haad oh he so Sergio Sergio AR armentor
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and he works for cuz I said I would give them a shout out cuz uh he very kindly
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looks after us he works for uh G Escape who are in San Francisco now some of you
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will have seen the photograph on Instagram and me and Pat talked about it
32:38
from lvo was do you remember Pat the enormous jelly
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bear yeah the Haribo bear and I said how do you eat that as of you can't just gar
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it we you don't have one in that just wait it's worse than that you can't do
32:56
because you just know it you slice a bit theid whole eat it at right now imagine
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being the worst sort of deprived weird serial killer this was a present I got off
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sge oh he he cut it up into pces and then and then back you
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P it's literally like out of sub serial killers basement I love
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it that's that's well you bet even still I love the convenience of it but still
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that's still a lot of jell still a lot to get like is that like the Torso that's the these will be the
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limbs I mean well done s he's the nicest guy he's the nicest guy he he also
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scares us to a degree I'm going to I'm going to edit to myself um speaking
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directly to you Sergio nobody else I respect you even more well done um yeah
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that's that's wonderful freaky weird and he was nearly murdered because every
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every time I turned my back I would go into my pocket for something and I'd have yet another large wooden Dice and
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me Pock that was a great point I came back you like reverse pickpocketed yes I came back with about seven of them
34:12
wonder and then he was at it as well and I my pockets are seem to be just Excell
34:17
I know I'm a big lad but apparently my pockets are about the size of a whale's mouth because every seems to go in them
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Sergio had some like weird way of doing it cuz every time i' like tried to I'd see sort of like Jeff's pocket there and I'd be like right drop a dice in and I
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was doing it with yours but he's got such sensitive thighs this man that that he detected every time well known for it
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that's it he detected every time so Sergio Serio one many middle names
34:42
that's right so that's it yeah be be afraid of someone who who has very sensitive hands like I wonder how long
34:48
cuts up a bear how long will they keep I don't know well the vacuum pack so essentially you know there's far more
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wiser viewers out there than than most Mania what I'd like next time um Sergio
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um is have a look at the artist Damen Hurst
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um and and I would like something like this but preserved in like a resin um oh
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Jo encourage him he will encourage him he will he will he's we the best you've
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seen his hair you know he's odd yeah yeah no unique's go with unique yeah so yeah
35:26
something like that that I could display in my house but he's lovely cuz he he did keep this he kept us watered
35:32
again yeah he was like we thought he was like oh he was friend of the chat he was around for everyone like he turned up
35:39
with I forget who he was with then I'm really sorry hopefully we can put it in the description um because I do know but
35:45
he was everyone's friend wasn't he he was there for every Booth like hey guys how are you doing you're hang if you're hanging around with a chap that gives
35:51
people mutilated gummy bears they're generally going to remember that person
35:58
the um the thing he did as well which was lovely was um there was an a catchall competition wasn't he for oh
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for res be for res resin um for people who painted resin Miniatures yeah and
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his company did the his company back in San Francisco did a really nice thing which was um however much your miniature
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cost you you spent on buying that miniature they would reimburse you the
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money for their shop oh cool which I thought was he won a prize or something
36:29
which I thought was really really nice of them so that I thought was pretty good so there was that painting
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competition yeah I well I was going to say like as somebody that like wasn't there I couldn't go um CU I had a
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brement in the family but um the two the two main things that I sort of saw like
36:48
from The Games Workshop like news and stuff were the releases which I thought were a bit like I can barely remember
36:56
there was some chaos people well that was about it it was were you guys there was that people about we were there when
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that happened but we were for me at least I was that busy I didn't get a chance to see it obviously we saw sigar
37:08
release the new sigar editions coming um but other than that I they did that
37:14
weekend was that just a video did they show off they were just talking was they weren't doing anything they didn't show off any scaven models or anything did
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they no they were on yeah but um cuz that was a bit cuz I yeah I remember
37:26
looking I was like oh what are you team Sigmar or team rap people and I was like oh I want to see the rap models and then
37:32
it was just like sign up for this newsletter yor well on 40K side of it there was a new chaos Champion with a
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jetpack there was like two chaos characters the new the new chaos champion on foot yeah had was two tubes
37:47
in a backpack away from just being a an age of sigar chaos miniature I thought exactly the same cuz
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he had like a pelt on didn't he two tubes on his belly a backpack oh and a holster and if You' got rid of all of
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them potentially could have just added a I'm glad I'm not the only one yeah I looked at that very AG signal that's a
38:06
little bit a nice enough miniature but a very run-of-the-mill and then the other really main thing for 40K was um well
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it's not for 40K but it's obviously 40K adjacent was the release for kill team yeah oh yeah um the uh V leagues of otan
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Rangers on foot the ones who previously have been on them hover bikes and yeah with the big jacket yeah and then
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fighting which is a very simple thing to do isn't it which is Brew brothers so Jean Steeler called oh yes new Cadian
38:37
the new Cadian bodies but with then and Adon Breuer doing the heads which is but
38:42
then that's had some wion because I'm on the Jean Steeler C page that's had a bit of wiing because people have gone well
38:49
it's probably nice that if we want to do new cadens as as cult that's good but
38:56
then to level a Bo up they've just thrown in all of the um some heads you
39:01
can already get well the heads I think are new but they've then thrown in like the the Primus and the Megos and and
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then they've just thrown in pre-existing Jean stealer cult command Miniatures in
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there as well so yeah which aren't new just to bulk it out a bit so it's it's one of those
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things you think if you're a jean Steeler called player if you're buying it for 40K and
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you want to just get the stuff a yeah it's one of them ones really really worth us waiting out because you're
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going to end up with a load of stuff you've already got cuz everyone will have that command much everyone that's
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in that command group so it's like it didn't really strike much of a point really yeah um H I can't remember
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everything that came off AG of Sigma but I do remember those weird guys that capture lightning did you see I didn't they they
39:52
like you know like when um I don't know well up on them but you know the sigar kns when they turn up they up in like a
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storm but there's like ordinary guys who like have got like big rods that capture their lightning so they can
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fight yeah sorry I did see that yeah and there's like one of them with a a small child on his shoulders with a hood over
40:11
his head with a big rod for catching like it's just got health and safety gone M health and safety issues written
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all over it there's no no red tape in so yeah but it was um yeah it's weird to be
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an event where they do a big reveal and you're so busy that you really don't find out what's going you're like the
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last know cuz I think most most of the stuff um that that I saw was kind of
40:35
like through the pages of Deon it's mostly GW stuff that comes out a lot I had no idea that there was that like resin competition or yeah or what yeah
40:42
that's unfortunate doing all the the the little bits like that sounds like it'd be really fun it was nice that was it
40:49
was nice that there was a resin competition but the only problem being for that was I think hopefully it's something they address next year is me
40:55
and Ross wenton had watch yeah but you you there is no way to you don't see any
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of the Miniatures so unless you've really studied everything in that's been on yeah so you don't see them in the
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awards C you don't see them so they're out it's it's run by creature caster and are lovely bunch of people oh amazing
41:13
absolutely incredible guys Taylor and and Simon was one the beardy guy I
41:18
forget his name but I'll know if if I it might be Simon um but I don't think it is but yeah so they run it but it's them
41:24
it's their models and their Partners but it can be like resin a resin sculpt that you can buy or a 3D printed resin model
41:32
and it's it's them and I I don't want to say who it is in case I get it wrong but it's their Partners one of them was um
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eldric Foundry Andy and um yeah who we met who was lovely who helped us round
41:43
Target because we couldn't find no way around a yes yes um but yeah th those those guys Miniatures so they they were
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all out on cabinets as part of the creature cter Booth but yeah in the I think this this wasn't their first year
41:55
I think it was their second but yeah going forward I'd love to see two things I'd love to see them when they do the
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awards ceremony like at least a projector with this person won for this model cuz they didn't have that and we
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were like I don't know who's as who's um and they didn't seem to have a trophy no which was unfortunate I think
42:12
people who enter a painting competition love like the trophy or a plaque the amount of I saw um oh the the oh is it
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giz gizm giz giz something with like the iron warrior with the little skeleton and stuff yeah
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yeah yeah the three golden like that do you mean the guy who won um Peter turbo
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Turbo pet turbo P Turbo with the yeah and that's that's the thing like a lot of people have always slated gw's
42:42
photography and I've always said there's nothing wrong with it but the colors in that actual model versus the photograph
42:49
that's gone out online they're all gone like I've got video of it and you can see more it's oh oh that's interesting
42:55
but yeah but go on what were you saying sorry cuz he he I think it was he he posted um
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some images of him uh taking the his golden demon apart and uh stripping the
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paint off um and then respraying it oh that was Taro James T yeah another lovely space
43:15
hunk SP has a t-shirt on in the font uh of uh which is from um people uh from
43:24
gents who sent us t-shirts the past uh yeah have you hav prints oh yeah you
43:29
done your already they're responsible for the cool underhive t-shirt you've got on my old school which is in shop
43:35
fun yeah they do a space they have do a space Hulk t-shirt which has got space hunk written on it yeah and that was
43:41
good Jes Taro was wearing it which annoyed me because he's in good Nick and he quite good so we made it worse didn't
43:47
he it is it is I've got a lovely slow-mo footage of him doing like smaller to the camera I think I remember get that in
43:53
there yeah we took about three takes didn't it but we got it of doing space hun but he did really well didn't he he
43:59
did well he he got um three three golden demons was May straight into that so so
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we talk about Golden demon I was going to say the second thing that I heard about was golden demon uh and and yeah I
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I again I've heard a lot about I can't edit it myself cuz my camera's overheated but um yeah I heard loads
44:20
about um how people always slack off the pitches and it's like I know some of the
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guys that take the pitches and they don't see the outside for like three days and they have to photograph
44:32
everything um so it is like a bit of like a production line it's getting it
44:37
done rather than making sure you get the best image ever and I know what those guys are capable of and they're Sensational videographers and
44:43
photographers um yeah that side I thought was yeah looking at the entries
44:49
I think this is probably like that from adepticon last year I feel like just the breadth of of talent and everyone that
44:55
was there like looking at the winners and everything and seeing the images online I'm like yeah part of it was
45:01
super inspiring and being like wow so good seeing stuff painted that well but then also um I'm like oh like I should
45:08
have been there I'm never going to paint that good War's crap yeah it it was the same when you
45:14
were there like when you're actually there seeing them you're like this is so inspiring yeah but
45:21
demiz we had people at the booth as well didn't we who came over so if you think it's bad and
45:27
seeing it through a cabinet when it's complete we had who did we have we had Steve Garcia Steve Steve Garcia was
45:34
brilliant so i' 3D printed A A head from a well-known um sci-fi franchise yes um
45:40
and Steve had just spent the day stippling that well if I if I send you them images do you think you might go
45:47
the show I've I've got video you got video and and that and we got to sit there but like being able to sit next to
45:54
people like Steve Garcia for a day and just his brain Neil Hollis oh Neil Hollis um gold
46:01
winner for single miniature brilliant guy absolute Legend I don't I don't think I mentioned this to Pat and we
46:07
were having our debrief before the show was I am I didn't know that Neil Hollis was Neil Hollis when I met Neil
46:15
Hollis so we met up in a gang outside and I was just starting to feel better because i' had that bit thing I remember
46:22
told you that when I uh I didn't quite figure out how to make a waffle very well I thought I was going to
46:28
Lo of egg yeah and I thought it was going to throw up in the taxi and then when we got out the taxi it starts to
46:33
feel a bit better we bumped into Neil Hollis and um and we also bumped into
46:39
Andy Wardle and Eric Swanson yes and the chat from Games Workshop oh
46:47
yes yeah yeah I can't remember yeah I my brain's gone it was out on my birthday as well and yeah don't watch this but um
46:55
I'm terrible when yeah and then and I met I got talking to Neil Matt that's right yes Matt we got talking to Neil
47:03
and um and then Byron had said didn't he to pretty much anybody who who was like
47:10
top tier yeah bring your miniature to the stall so I can get some good photographs of it before you Boo and put it in the cabinet and um Neil Hollis
47:18
came around and showed off this beautiful elar exodite that is now yeah
47:24
famous and infam Infamous for I this warrants a little bit of talking about I'll just get to it in a second
47:31
and I I said and you know that thing when you you know you you're somebody don't know very well but you're hoping
47:37
you know but you've already sort of liked and I didn't realize Neil Hollis was Neil Hollis and and he came around
47:42
and he and he showed it off and like I said I briefly met him and I went let's see what you and he went and I went oh
47:48
mate that's really nice I hope that does really well well done well done that's
47:55
so good and good and you could see Neil you could see Neil being really really
48:01
polite about the fact that I was almost being and I wasn't being condescended but you know when you're trying to wish
48:06
someone the best you don't know very well yeah you know like if it was a good mate you go that's you know and you could be and being sort of you could be
48:13
in with a chance there yeah supportive and polite the you get commended entry P at least
48:21
yeah last year's Slayer sword winner which I then fouled out very shortly after then had the next time I
48:27
see Neil had to go Neil I've got to be honest Neil I didn't know that you were who you that you were Neil Hollis when I
48:34
didn't make the connection and I didn't realize you won two Slayer swords and God knows how many golden demons but
48:39
coming back to that model like what was it like like we got to hold it we got to hold it and and obviously that's now
48:46
that's now a somewhat of a cont is it controversial is that I controversial
48:51
was the right me yeah so for like we'll we'll put an image up uh of of the entry
48:58
I mean I've got it on my phone here uh that's the right one right that is the right one yes the the backdrop is hasn't
49:07
been painted it's an AI it's an AI like printed image like I this is thing is
49:13
the whole world well the whole world that's nowhere near to but everybody interested in Golden demon has an
49:19
opinion yeah on that miniature and to be fair it opinions are like [ __ ]
49:25
everybody's got one yeah and they often stink um they everyone's got oh you know
49:34
it shouldn't it doesn't matter it's amazing or well it does matter because AI is ultimately always stolen art and
49:40
yes you know your work is always meant to be quite like aggressive like Instagram stories from people like think
49:47
is quite interesting about it is if probably as AI because there's people
49:52
out there who know AI far better than I do but Neil hasn't said that aware of Neil Neil dropped a pretty good
50:00
Zinger so I think I saw and I didn't see this on Neil's own stories but someone took a shot of Neil's Instagram where
50:06
Neil had put up a question like can you tell this is air and then posted that question into like chat GPT and the
50:14
response was nothing so so it was like yeah so it was almost like Neil going I'll just get AI to respond I've got
50:21
nothing to say about this like Savage Neil but again Neil is the nicest guy
50:27
like if anybody if anybody's out there like there are people out there who've got like you know a bit of painting
50:32
arrogance and blah blah Neil I have I would never find it difficult to Champion to like to go yeah come on Neil
50:41
cuz he's such a guy you just one those people just immediately when you're his company quite like way you know and and
50:48
he is a lovely Chap and um he very endearing thing that whenever you meet him he whenever you go hello Neil he
50:54
replies with hey up shager yeah brilliant yeah I learned recently that
51:01
uh there's a type of bird called The Shag that's right yeah assum what is
51:06
saying is that where that that is you and your Squire isn't it
51:14
you're cuz I um again I have an [ __ ] in this um I
51:21
have opinions but but I wondered what that link was yeah yeah it's the joke we made you know
51:27
I'm not pay ATT who is yeah if you're still watching
51:33
please watch um like I only really have strong
51:39
opinions on stuff that I know doesn't matter like American chocolate who cares you can like it you canot I'll have a
51:45
strong opinion on that because who's going to be offended hopefully very few people um in in this um I can understand
51:55
the point of view of people like if it is AI blah blah blah um saying it's a painting competition yeah like you
52:02
haven't painted that anything AI is plagiarized because it's drawing
52:08
inspiration from whether it's words whatever um from work that's been done
52:14
by a human um so it it is some form of
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of theft um you know like if you type in Forest background or whatever you know
52:25
it might go oh here is a picture that Norman took um and I'm going to just
52:30
alter it a little bit so it's technically not but it's Inspire I get it like and in a painting
52:36
competition maybe um but from the other
52:41
perspective it's a miniature painting competition and everything even single
52:47
Miniatures like squads like the war cry uh and the necromunda winners are just
52:54
just Miniatures not just miniatures on the basis whereas everything else
53:00
seems to have gone into this like diarama every everything's on a plint everything has a backdrop and if you're
53:07
not doing it you're going to be this that and the other um so that is that
53:15
taking more of the focus than the actual painted miniature are you saying in a
53:20
way that AI or not that golden demon looks a little bit like the entrance and
53:26
golden demons look like they golden demon look like they've run away with themselves a bit already anyway like
53:32
there's definitely Trends isn't there and and that one seems to be one that's stuck um and having having a back having
53:39
the backdrops and stuff like that that's the weird thing with the rules and stuff like I I always liking stuff to F1 CU
53:47
that's kind of something I know a little bit about that I've follow is over the
53:52
years and it's something that Games Workshop will have to learn I think is that that as stuff gets more popular and
53:58
and and more people enter they're going to look to bend the rules you know in F1 you have your technical regulations and
54:05
then someone comes in and they go oh well we've made our wing this shape technically it's within the rules it's
54:11
bending them and all that sort of stuff but um they're going to have to probably tighten it up so if it is AI and it
54:19
hasn't been explicitly said in the rules then like like like don't hate the player hate the game kind of thing
54:26
absolutely um and it it it it's been if it has been done if it hasn't whatever
54:32
let's for the sake of argument let's say it has uh then they'll have to change that for the rules next year I uh if
54:39
it's that much of an issue if if it's that and it's that much of an issue but it's it's already weird because like
54:45
Neil Neil's Neil as an example is an odd one he entered I want to say like a year
54:50
and a half ago I want I think it was UK and he entered last year's winner which was the the the dark
54:57
Angelus but he had it on a different like a really which I think was made it
55:03
look better like a really B bigger Bas was it they said diama that's it and and
55:09
some I don't know why but he switched it the intent was to go in single mini and he switched it to diarama and didn't
55:15
place he then reduced the base reentered it into adep con last year won Slayer
55:21
sword gold single miniature and Slayer sword for it and now he's come back in single miniature 40K with this huge base
55:30
so already AI or not yeah like what are the rules I don't understand the rules
55:35
what's a single miniature and at what point does it become a diarama yeah yeah bear in mind that you know Neil's piece
55:42
as amazing as it absolutely is and I and you're going it's single miniature but
55:49
the very first nearest thing to you on the base is a piece of clear resin with fish in it yeah you know what I mean and
55:56
and and I personally my opinion on this to get rid of the whole thing of AI and and the base size and the this and is it
56:03
a DI armor or is it this or what I personally think Games Workshop going
56:10
forward CU also as well if we talk about um the Slayer sword winner for this year had um 3D printed um things on the Bas
56:20
the whole model was 3D scan because it was I didn't realize this at the time the reflection is a reverse model which
56:27
obviously games work release so the belief is that was 3D scanned and then
56:32
tightened up probably cuz 3D scanning terrible it seems um and U and then put
56:37
in Reverse but it was so good it was amazing I just didn't even understand the engineer how it managed to put it
56:42
onto a base but I think do Games Workshop you've got two Games Workshop I've got two I've got two options here
56:49
the either go as long as you're not directly affecting the original miniature m then every all better off do
56:58
what you want yeah yeah or and possibly maybe the way I'd like to go
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but I'd like to go too is plinth the size of your
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base and that's it yeah yeah okay yeah yeah agreed plint the size of your base
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yeah or maybe if you're doing like a s if you're doing a squad yeah rough bit
57:22
of ground holes in it and then you're still on your original base dropped into that like it used be squs
57:28
and diaramas is so close the thing is I personally think well so a single Minion
57:34
diar yeah yeah I think personally I think if you're talking about the difference the difference between
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diarama and the other Miniatures for me should be is a DI armor or is a DI armor
57:47
and in all the other categories whatever you're putting in should be able to be taken off that and put on a tabletop and
57:52
played yeah yeah yeah and that would be yeah that would be that's a hard take
57:58
because all of the things I seen with their beautiful backdrops um John nin's
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entry with oh yeah she was beautiful I wanted to talk about which I thought was
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stunning and it's but it's got It's got like a set of stairs well it's got like a rocky piece in the background for the
58:14
horse to be walking down it was stunning and if you're watching John I really really like your piece um but then maybe
58:23
go you know if you're going to have them all on a big backdrop together like that and it's a big rough piece of land maybe
58:29
that should be diarama it might be clear though like we're saying this have any of us read the rules yeah maybe it might
58:34
actually be clear to the guys who are but it but but you know there was a lot of things that was like um on your
58:41
nights um black Templar we on individual bases if I remember rightly they weren't
58:47
but I don't think that's required as no no but as a squad but I but I think personally to
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cut all of this arguing out it be they are playable pieces otherwise
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everything becomes diarama becomes diarama and then this becomes is how is it well well it was only 40% di armor so
59:08
that makes it a single miniature but was 60% di armor but still okay for the squads and it's like where did you start
59:13
drawing the line I like to think you go you enter in the category you feel it's
59:18
best and we make a decision on whether you think it's based my category or
59:24
or you you you really you really clamp down hard and go every everything's on
59:29
its original base and the base can be slaughtered into something yeah yeah I saw a few like like that yeah a few were
59:37
and then like Richard Gray Richard Gray's vampires when on uh on went on a
59:42
particularly Scenic Bas they were just on a on a black p pther and and I think
59:47
you really go one extreme or the other you know yeah I just I just hope it leads to tighten in the rules like but I
59:54
think the main thing should be is because the rules at the moment are so slack yeah is I would say stop finger
1:00:00
pointing because your finger pointing your finger pointing where no one has broken a rule cu the rules haven't been
1:00:06
good enough to yes I I don't like the idea of Neil getting any grief of this
1:00:12
because I think what Neil presented was stunning oh God you know what I mean dropping and the the gentleman's name I
1:00:19
can't remember who won Slayer sword what he presented was absolutely stunning yeah and onion night Squad done its
1:00:26
really quite on a base and same again for John nin's work all absolutely
1:00:31
stunning and I'm not prepared to point a finger a because a I'm not a judge B I don't know the rules inside out and c I
1:00:37
can't pain that well but I think I think until the rules are discussed going
1:00:43
forward to next time be it they get strict or they get ridiculously lacked
1:00:48
yeah I think you should leave well alone justj just enjoy the work for what it is no one said no one has said the work is
1:00:54
bad they've just hell this and you go yeah maybe like the big backdrops and stuff might end up in open or I mean I
1:01:03
remember we were walking around the cabinets and I remember looking at it and even I said to you like there's a bit of a disparities cuz he he' he'
1:01:10
brought 3D elements I don't know what they're from whether they're from The Vines from the tree had actually stuck
1:01:16
out and come down and there was a bit of a visual disparity between what was photograph or AI photograph and the
1:01:23
paint job yeah but like and again and I'm making that from the point of view I couldn't do Ed I couldn't I couldn't
1:01:29
even print out that good I was going to say I wouldn't even be able to type in the prompts yeah EXA just be like hello
1:01:35
way I make tree and it look Neil wouldn't have trusted me to paint the plint black
1:01:42
yeah and it comes black that's the thing yeah yeah yeah um oh brilliant but yeah
1:01:48
no but yeah John's piece is another good one to talk about cuz that was the composition of that was brilliant I I
1:01:56
think the thing I wanted to to talk about was adepticon golden demon this
1:02:02
year versus last year um because there was apparently like I heard there was a
1:02:08
few behind the scenes like issues with who's judging it and and this that and the other and and there was lots of stuff but um like ninj on he put a piece
1:02:16
in last year oh it got broke didn't it uh I think yeah a little bit of it got broke um but as as you were saying
1:02:23
earlier Jeff that sort of golden demon it's it's a painting competition but it's a Games Workshop painting
1:02:31
competition so you might see something really stylized and and all that sort of thing but you're like oh it won't place
1:02:36
because you know it's not really that sort of style for Golden be or whatever
1:02:42
um but yeah the the difference between nj's videosos like he seemed quite you know last year his piece was awesome
1:02:50
yeah um and I think you know he put a a crap ton of effort in into it um and it
1:02:57
was kind of like I think it was like a vampirey thing they were on like a diarama sort of Base yeah and they were painted quote unquote normally from one
1:03:04
side but you flip it round and everything's in Shadow and that sort of stuff and like I don't want to mean it
1:03:10
as like a dig but it was like a like a a gimmick sort of thing yeah yeah um and
1:03:17
that never seems to farewell no no and and he seemed sort of a bit a bit maybe
1:03:22
a bit a bit bitter about it afterwards um like understandable you put
1:03:27
unbelievable amounts of effort into this piece and it didn't place and you might say oh why did it didn't place I want
1:03:34
more clear guidelines and rules and this kind of thing um whereas this year like
1:03:41
what he entered was as we've all said utterly amazing yeah I think a way better piece than he
1:03:49
did last year and then watching his videos and doing like you know he painted his Bas and then put it all
1:03:55
together and was like nah I want the rocks to be slightly more green um and getting feedback like the amount of
1:04:02
times I've read thanks to Andy Wardle for coaching me through this like I've read that like two or three times um and
1:04:08
so the difference of of of like it seems like he put way more effort into placing
1:04:15
yeah um and he has and I'm super happy for him um because I think it it would be very easy to to
1:04:22
go oh I'm painting it's and I'm not oh God Demon's rubbish whereas like maybe
1:04:28
he's played the game a little bit more and and and there was definitely a game because there was there's two points
1:04:34
there that really made me aware of it was the fact that you remember I was very taken with um the character or
1:04:43
Commando yeah smashing into that nekron and as you pointed out the problem being
1:04:48
was is that CA most of the miniature was painted in Black to represent darkness and the features of them were were was
1:04:55
the Sparks coming off the the necron most of that miniature is basically in a
1:05:01
roundout sort of way unpainted and games walk shop one a fully painted milit and you're going
1:05:07
that person has gone for atmosphere and narrative yeah of sneaking out of the darkness doing the necron in Commando
1:05:14
really cool but it's uh I no idea what it looks like but but it's a miniature but a miniature mostly painted black
1:05:21
yeah and it's ble ready mate yeah and this is the problem being is is that you know you're going if you're telling a
1:05:27
story yes maybe there's a thing yeah maybe there's a thing maybe you know I
1:05:33
know duel is the idea of telling story I was say I would have thought diarama should be as diarama is telling the
1:05:38
story maybe you need another character category called narrative that' be great where it is literally you know and and
1:05:46
and I loved it but as you said it's not going out anywhere cuz it's not it's it there not it's not a fully painted
1:05:53
miniature in in that respect and then the other one which I've already shown you the photographs of and and me and
1:05:59
Ross were very lucky enough to to see in the flesh was we met the lovely gentleman whose name I don't actually
1:06:04
know but is from is flame on milites oh I forgot his yeah you're right and he came along and showed us his entrance
1:06:12
for Golden demon like they were jawdroppingly amazing yeah but they're
1:06:18
so abstract in their paint in their design and he said in such a throwaway way he went they're amazing how did you
1:06:25
do any went oh they they didn't please they never do yeah because they just really really like they're really um
1:06:32
like you said like quite abstract really bold colors not not like there's almost like there there is a golden demon style
1:06:40
and if you don't paint in the golden demon style you won't place in Golden demon and it's not it's not the Games Workshop style they use on the box art
1:06:46
or the the paint you know your your coats and your layers and it's not that it's a golden demon style isn't it that
1:06:53
everyone seems to go with has to be in the IP doesn't it and I
1:06:58
think Richard Gray saying sorry um his vampires not this year's but last year
1:07:03
yeah he painted the skin green yeah and they said now the IP of wammer vampire is isn't green skin so he didn't Place
1:07:10
imagine saying that's St great we don't like the color of vampire SK I felt awful for Richard
1:07:17
this year like he traveled all the way like Richard Gray is one of my favorite painters always has and again a guy you
1:07:24
can walk up to you know he's he's quite you know he's generally quite a quiet guy he's not out there he's not overt
1:07:31
he's he's just your typical War gameer you walk up loveliest blo you can speak to and he'll talk to you for hours about
1:07:36
stuff um but the way they did it this year which they didn't do last year so last year they were like and bronze is
1:07:42
BL and you'd clap and they'd walk up this time they brought all the finalists up which amounts to about six or seven
1:07:49
yeah sometimes six sometimes four sometimes six six or seven did they do that for the Slayer sword as well with
1:07:56
weirdly they did that at Fest didn't they they brought everyone all the winners back on for thingy but anyway yeah so they brought they brought all
1:08:03
the was it commended entries this year commended entries up so all six or seven of you and then they did Bron bronze
1:08:09
silver gold and then everyone walked down then you have three or four people stood there that get nothing exactly yes
1:08:15
and I I watched Richard Gray at least twice might have been um more because it was it was a little bit I wouldn't say
1:08:20
it was badly managed at all but it was like there was a lot going off with every the yeah um and and watching
1:08:27
Richard Gray stand up and then walk back that hurt me so no idea how he felt and
1:08:33
I was like like and I I just wanted to I
1:08:38
wanted to go up and give him a hug and I was like you know I I love you like as if that the about as condescending as
1:08:44
you with with Neil good luck mate yeah Neil but it was hard to watch that sort
1:08:50
of thing so I'd hope they don't I don't know I liked that that they brought drama is the drama is good as a viewing
1:08:59
yeah you you enjoy the drama but it comes at somebody else's expense it does yes their emotional expense you know I
1:09:06
think that's one thing they didn't capture so like I I walked in um and and I was there I was oh I'm going to film
1:09:12
some stuff and blah blah and get it for you and the show was there a live stream of it I no no no nothing like that so so
1:09:18
one of the GW staff walked up to me went have you have you did you get the memo I'm like what memo and I was like there
1:09:24
noow filming I was like all right there wasn't a memo like so I was like there okay and then um one of the guys I
1:09:30
forget I think I think it's Mike one of the he's always at the events um and does the uh does the announcement so he
1:09:36
was doing the aning they were saying please don't film the event and we'll do that of course you you've seen the footage online there were about 18
1:09:42
people at the back with their cameras two minutes later doing this I I've seen like mobile footage of of the guy like raising the Slayer song nuts yeah yeah
1:09:50
so but I wasn't allowed to film with my good camera but yeah so so we have got any of
1:09:55
that but the bit that no one's captured which I think really really was the best bit of it was
1:10:02
seeing the like people getting standing ovations for their for their painting
1:10:08
they didn't capture the community and the energy and that's what I think a lot of people my voice was gone by then but
1:10:14
I was shouting like a writer oh all you could hear was him like yeah like everything you know how loud is every
1:10:20
time somebody knew was like yeah it was like yeah so so there's Jeff here and
1:10:25
500 other people who were doing their best to keep up yeah yeah I was end of the hall I had
1:10:33
no voice left by then so it quite well yeah je I'm quiet Mo but yeah I wish they've done that I wish they captured
1:10:39
just more of the energy cu the energy in that room was electric the thing I lik that they had to give in on because it
1:10:44
was a failed thing was what they wanted to do is that when which is just not going to happen heard with of like when
1:10:51
you announc the sword silence everyone's meant to stay quiet yeah and then when they get their M on so they can cut
1:10:58
their their precious fingers and then they lift the sword it's meant to be the big cheer but trying
1:11:04
to and they said so what they went was he went can you cheer twice but can you
1:11:09
cheer louder on the second one like it's sort of w am I WR I haven't seen I
1:11:16
haven't seen any footage of what they've done this now since the last adepticon obviously last adepticon was brilliant
1:11:22
because there was um everyone did say silent except Andy W who went yeah for
1:11:27
Neil you I've got a video C where you can see Andy W going
1:11:32
yeah that so um than that and then they did it again at Fest where everyone
1:11:38
ignored it and just cheered and then this year they kind of gave but the only way they could do that is if they
1:11:43
basically almost like put the lights down didn't tell anyone and almost like went over to people like right yeah yeah
1:11:50
just I'm going to tap you on the shoulder if you won the Slayer sword then the lights come up and do that that some kind of bizarre game of duck duck
1:11:57
goose exactly yeah yeah so duck duck Slayer sword yeah yeah yeah you be like
1:12:03
you don't have the Slayer sword you don't have the Slayer sword you've got the Slayer sword run but yeah yeah that
1:12:09
does seem like hey you know this thing that loads of you have traveled over oceans to come
1:12:15
through but don't be happy like come on I get why I think we
1:12:21
all get why they want that drama but even after this like TR set this up now for at least two golden demons that I've
1:12:28
been to they didn't do it with this one I haven't seen them release any footage of this chair no that they that that
1:12:35
they are micromanagement then yeah so why why
1:12:40
does it matter it's it's interesting like s having I guess being to a convention uh like with lvo not going to
1:12:48
this one and hearing it like I I feel like I'm a viewer of the podcast in in this scenario um so some like when when
1:12:57
you're like oh yeah we went here for lunch I'm like and um but um and but
1:13:03
that's the thing that struggles come across like that sense of community and and is like it's hard to describe um
1:13:11
what you're missing out on if you haven't been in that position yourself the town because it sounds amazing the
1:13:17
town of sha BG of where it actually was it just becomes it just becomes an
1:13:23
extension of adepticon doesn't it yeah yeah every restaurant you go in someone from adepticon eating every you know cu
1:13:30
the point that which I get it cuz they are to some degree celebrities with a small C in the
1:13:37
the painters and also people with the really big YouTube channels the likes of ninon and the the likes of Vince and the
1:13:45
people with going we don't really want to go and eat there because there'll be loads of people and you won't get a chance to because and hassle you which
1:13:52
is hassling you for lovely reasons yes but you go you know you people going
1:13:58
we'll eat over there cuz there won't be that many you know and a bit of you're almost expecting like bad santa I'm on
1:14:04
my lunch so um but um so but the whole
1:14:09
place sort of becomes like a bit of an extension it does doesn't it like when when we went to I want to say georgiano
1:14:15
the pizza place should we say it's that it's that it's georgiano go to shamb go to georgiano's
1:14:20
Pizza there'll be people like there'll just be what this one Pizzeria now with like your channel members going oh it's
1:14:26
been recommended and it's just this one bloke in his wife from a pizza um but yeah it wasn't there it was it was next
1:14:32
to Fat Jose's wasn't it it was like a walkway um but yeah we went there and then the guys from one page ruls were
1:14:38
there like on the table next to us um and we got we got a good chat with them and like we've been trying to talk to
1:14:43
them the whole show and we're like oh brilliant and then um they came over and and talked to you the next day and and
1:14:48
had a nice chat and so it was really good to go out and like you're right you you can't go out to a place and not see
1:14:55
some even when we went to Fat roses the night before the guys from B B I forget the name of the company but it's GCT GCT
1:15:03
they've got the Bido game um and they were on the table next to us so you can't you can't miss people yeah you're
1:15:09
all in uniform as well so names on yeah so head with his massive Ed Still Still
1:15:16
yeah um but yeah no it was it was really good wasn't it like you're right like the community is what it's about and I
1:15:22
think even people look at um h a fest last last year with not favorable eyes
1:15:28
yes but everybody who spoke of the community said it was brilliant and
1:15:33
that's what it was about I I imagine the majority of oh my camera's overheated
1:15:38
again Jesus Christ that just that camera I don't know why um yeah I imagine like
1:15:43
the majority of people that had oh thank you Ross they're blowing it yeah um like I'm over here we'll do that
1:15:51
later uh yeah I imagine loads of loads of the ne negative criticism from people that that didn't go like I I didn't go
1:15:58
and I'm like oh I heard it was really bad yeah yeah yeah yeah it wasn't though it was easy to focus it's easy to focus
1:16:04
on the negative isn't it yeah it is it is and it's weird like like Warhammer Warhammer is that hobby that has
1:16:12
everybody who is in it seems to love hating it yeah so why are you doing it like being a Star Wars fan the people I
1:16:19
know who hate Star Wars the most are Star Wars fan I know Star Trek fans that like Star Wars more than Star Wars fans
1:16:26
exactly like you like you go it's quite fun like talking about Star Wars when you're like oh well you know the only
1:16:33
films that I really like are A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back you know Jedi had the Ewoks and then the prequels
1:16:39
are terrible and the sequels are terrible and I don't like the animated stuff it's like I'm a big Star Wars fan
1:16:44
but I just like two films and of these what is now with if you add all the TV
1:16:49
hundreds of hours oh yeah I'm all about um but we can all agree the spin in Mandalorian wasn't needed that is like
1:16:56
that's going down in history the spin wasn't was it Mandalorian or book of bobett it was Boba Fett and it was like
1:17:02
the moped gang it and one of them just did like unnecessary spin sh yeah like it wasn't needed completely no it wasn't
1:17:10
and I I absolutely have you know a ranking of Star Wars and there's some that I don't like and I think if I
1:17:16
defend people having a Games Workshop winge is he go you only winging because
1:17:23
I think to some degree you are invested yeah CU if you didn't care you wouldn't bother Eng no exactly I I get it it's
1:17:31
that people care yeah and you know and I I think for me I think it was lovely because with you know if I stroke the
1:17:39
ego for a moment the amount of people who come over and went I really love the show and you know and we're like where's
1:17:47
Pat I love the show you know and it's this and you know people come over and go we're patreon these two guys we've
1:17:53
been patreons for ages and the bit that really nearly broke me was when a guy
1:17:59
came over and he to out his hand and he said I love the show and so on and so
1:18:04
forth and then he picked up a transparent case for where he was carrying um his entrance for a painting
1:18:11
competition and there was this beautiful painted Minature and he went like that and he showed me it and I looked at I
1:18:16
went oh man that's really good that's really I really like that and that proud moment when that guy said I painted all
1:18:22
of that listening to you oh amazing saying oh that's that's really said oh
1:18:28
you really keep me company when I'm painting and I thought a you know what I mean really and I thought yeah so
1:18:33
everybody that did come over and said hello and I did me best to make sure everyone got stickers and so on they
1:18:39
were uh you know it was really really appreciated that you took the time to come over and say hello yes it was more
1:18:44
appreciated if you took the time to come over and say hello and spend money cuz by P Me by and takes me away
1:18:53
again please I draw you are technically there as like you're the swimsuit model
1:18:59
I am yeah I like when anybody said you know somebody said oh I didn't know you were here what are you doing here I well
1:19:04
I'm I'm a booth babe yeah that's yeah yeah which is essentially Your Role I didn't get anyone like no one knows who
1:19:11
I nobody no nobody came such a liar loads of people one one there was there
1:19:17
was a few people but there was that tell me how to get the lines out of my work PR
1:19:24
M see got a video on that go watch it um but you do that that's the thing like we
1:19:30
can we can be Dr like in the UK you can be dry like that and you can't like that's that is a humor that doesn't
1:19:37
extend to am always not always that if you know them really well like like we
1:19:42
we have harsh banter and especially when you're like a bunch of lads on a con away from home doing that for a week we
1:19:49
we were Savage to each other um and you know sometimes that translated to
1:19:55
people who came up to the booth and it was like hang on sorry I'm just being British we're
1:20:00
quiet but yeah you you've got to be careful that haven't you a little bit when have to you do have to check your
1:20:06
just check your character a little bit before you start speaking to people yeah but yeah but met some really really
1:20:11
really lovely people great people and you know and people as well that was like you know really nice things people would go and it's like I sell the
1:20:18
brushes it doesn't necessarily mean I know what I'm doing with them and someone was like I'm trying to do glow
1:20:24
and want of do glow it doesn't work very well and I'm going are you putting a strong white underneath first what would
1:20:31
you say is a strong white and then you go down there's Monument Hobbies go and ask them for something called bold
1:20:36
titanium yes that like the amount of cons we've been to like cuz like I I
1:20:42
often help Byron with the dry brushing demos uh normally when he wants a break so we're doing demos the whole time um
1:20:48
and and the the Bold the titanium white isn't the best for like a smooth dry brush cuz it's very matte super mat
1:20:54
still like for edges even like get it on your driver brush get the edges or for just coverage I worry that like Byron
1:21:01
keeps taking me to these events and I'm selling more bold titanium y I am promoting the brushes that that he's
1:21:08
selling um but but the best brush to apply Bal titanium white back obviously but um yeah but it
1:21:18
was it was lovely and and everyone that I spoke to be them uh vendors or
1:21:25
customers or customers and viewers and just viewers it was really really thankful that they came over it really
1:21:31
that it really made the con and you know and we had it keeps your energy up doesn't it you know when you CU you you
1:21:37
work in retail for a day like and that that's like hats off to anybody who does those jobs because it's hard it's really
1:21:44
hard um but yeah when you've got people coming up and and chatting it's so encouraging to be like wow this this
1:21:49
validates my existence how many people how many people who don't know you over and we're
1:21:55
like how was your flight how how are you feeling yeah how was did you guys fly virgin again no we fle britishway ba it
1:22:02
was nice how was it f for me some somebody's well he's taller than me did you get your leg room I I got yes that
1:22:10
was I got my legroom on the way back which was very very kind to bed to sort
1:22:16
out thank you very much he did try on the way in yeah he did try on the way in but he kept get it kept crashing and I
1:22:21
got like my leg room on on the way on the way back out home I got leg room but
1:22:26
I was sat in the middle between two people and as I'm not the thinnest of men yeah there was it was just Jeff I
1:22:33
went to the loop Midway through the flight and I came back and I clocked Jeff gave him a nod and Jeff's just there smiling like hi and then these two
1:22:39
people like as it was like they they all only had one shoulder each and the shoulder
1:22:47
but that's the rule if you're in the middle you get both armless yeah Jeff
1:22:52
explained that to everyone otherwise like if you have the eyle and
1:22:58
both armrests like that's not allow you can't what I've now realized from from from flight and don't get me wrong and
1:23:04
if you're having a go I know it's all on me is that you can have one of two things you you can have you can be
1:23:12
fat or you can be tall but if you're tall and fat and you get leg room it
1:23:19
doesn't work out because the other problem being is is you can't lift your arms and your seats are narrow because your arm in leg room have everything in
1:23:26
them the tray is in the arm yeah oh yeah's in the arm TV's in the arm so
1:23:32
your arms are actually really quite wide so I had the leg room but I had no ability to manspread ever in the
1:23:38
slightest it was literally my two my knees were like glued together so um so I got leg room on the way back but I
1:23:44
didn't get thigh room on the leg on the way back so I myself best I don't I but
1:23:52
thank you to Ed for S out from he very very private jets the only way forward that's do keep saying to Byron like why
1:23:58
doesn't he like we're a business we should at least go Business Class Bus class that's it normal um but no it's
1:24:05
like at the end of the day I think we're all just grateful to be allowed to go yeah absolutely and you know you know to
1:24:11
think you know I think I there was one point where we went to the we we went to
1:24:16
the Chicago Arts Institute and I'm looking I'm looking at a a self-portrait
1:24:22
of Van go in the flesh and thinking oh it's incredible isn't it yeah and think
1:24:27
if R didn't push pain around a small plastic soldier and then want to talk about pushing pain around a small
1:24:34
plastic soldier I wouldn't be in the middle of Chicago looking at that yeah like I've got to say like I and I love
1:24:40
you mom um you're not she's not watching um isn't she no that's it but
1:24:48
yeah she always used to tell me like when I was a kid and I say a kid like 11 12 she was like um why are you always
1:24:54
like painting these you'll never get anywhere painting these models why can't you go outside and play like a real boy
1:25:01
um and I'm sure I'm sure many of young hobbyist has heard similar um well can I
1:25:07
are you allowed to swear on this yeah [ __ ] you now Mom it's all right watching look where
1:25:12
I'm at but I love you Mom I I do love you one of my favorites from the Art Institute was the fact that Ross got
1:25:19
lost oh did yeah Ross Ross the building Ross head in modern not and I think Ross
1:25:27
I think Ross was getting a bit frightened cuz we got a photograph that went I'm lost F me and then another
1:25:32
photograph that just said of this really weird hideous looking female character
1:25:38
and then just it was pop art sculpture yeah and then Ros then just replied with
1:25:43
another one just sent to another one that said I think I had enough half for today it was weirdly it was
1:25:49
disappointing cuz I went you guys had to check you you spent more time checking your bag than
1:25:55
it took an to Che so we queued to get a ticket but we couldn't our bags over so we got a ticket then went to go in you
1:26:02
know allowed in with bags like this big so then they had to get in an even bigger queue to hand their bags in so I
1:26:07
went and had a look around the gift shop at the beginning and they had um the Hawai piece which is The Great Wave
1:26:13
everybody knows this art piece and I I did when I did GCS I based it around
1:26:18
Japanese I was I was so excited so I went walking around I've got to see this it's part of my life I
1:26:25
it as we wereing we were in through the Japanese section the Asian was toang
1:26:32
excuse me uh can you tell me where this is she went it's off display this week this week just that week yeah yeah
1:26:40
yeah like probably and it was the end of the week wasn't it so it was probably back the next day oh that nerd
1:26:45
convention's on yeah they're all going to want to come and see yeah grubby fingers like to go like nearly halfway
1:26:51
around the world and to possibly yeah yeah so I'm not like an art connoisseur
1:26:57
but that matters to me that was like the day when we went to when we went to Copenhagen uh Copenhagen aquarium and we
1:27:04
gone in the week that they were um cleaning all the fish wellish changing all the batteries where they were uh
1:27:11
rebuilding the enclosure for the Seas Seas went on display I wanted to cry as
1:27:16
if someone loves Seas devastating fell to my knees yeah I Oh there's uh in in
1:27:24
long eaten uh SE se you could have just got there the canal there isn't there
1:27:30
isn't sea OTAs but there's a place called Spring Lakes where you can do wild swimming or you can get a kayak or
1:27:35
a canoe or whatever yeah um and I rented a kayak and well yeah me and me and
1:27:42
carish both rented some kayaks on wonder around and I saw an otter yeah you yeah so they have some OTAs in there I don't
1:27:47
think I've ever seen one in real life no we did I have but only in enclosures one SE a I saw I saw a kingish in real life
1:27:55
but I have to keep reminding myself that I saw a king fisher cuz all I really saw was just like a Blue Blur yeah and and
1:28:03
again I was with Caris and she was like king fisher oh my God and I was like I feel like I haven't seen it but
1:28:08
technically I have I guess I feel like I'd seen it more if it was sat still on a branch yes I'm looking confused here
1:28:15
right I don't know if and I'm going to look dumb as hell but I don't care I don't no one knows everything um is a
1:28:20
king is a king fisher is that a fish or is that a bird it's a bird right okay sh it's shiny shiny blue on it on its head
1:28:27
backwards and then on its front it's like bright orange if you see a picture of it um you've got sh because they is
1:28:34
it's not I'm thinking of what's the one with the tall white neck not a swan um with the that's a crane is it right yeah
1:28:41
that's that's what pict or a heron yeah that's a fish oh God was Miles
1:28:46
off that's the that is almost the opposite of what I was thinking that hasn't got a neck no no oh I saw I saw
1:28:54
was at atra Nature Reserve yesterday which is pretty close and uh I was super
1:28:59
close to a heron that's a heron yeah you close is that more like a king fisher no
1:29:04
that's a lot bigger kingish you just shown me a k yeah it's more like a c so welcome to yeah Natural History is not
1:29:11
going to be a thing we're going to spin off this um like let's painting phase it up um there's there's types of birds
1:29:18
called boobies painting painting face up by
1:29:24
lowering the that's how we you can buy um like tea towels and posters and it
1:29:31
has and it says boobies and then there's different types of birds that are boobies and and also uh tits asly tits
1:29:38
oh God I can spell boobies on a calculator that's the closest to relas so how do we how do we segue this back
1:29:44
to back we generally don't it just does it just off stag way around basically
1:29:50
just like yeah we went from uh you know one of the the the toughest M Painting
1:29:55
competitions ever to talking about tits yeah um and and there weren't there weren't many tits in the painting
1:30:01
competition good we noticed that there was there was a lot on Miniatures like around the hall um there were there were
1:30:07
a few people no that was a different com wasn't it I'm saying was it you weren't there never mind so oh yes I can talk
1:30:15
about this so let's see if I can turn my camera on um is when we had um Reese on
1:30:24
um with he was there yes yeah yeah yeah so
1:30:31
um they were talking about how they don't censor anything but they have safe searches you won't find anything unless
1:30:36
you go looking for it um and and you went looking for it no I didn't he he uh
1:30:43
very kindly um because they have their printing service you can you can buy the
1:30:49
already printed Miniatures if you don't want to go through the hassle of printing yourself and um I was like cool I'll I'll check out
1:30:57
the website and I clicked on it and then went like I don't know one click to printed Miniatures next click to like
1:31:03
fantasy Miniatures and here was some like goat
1:31:08
man making love to a scantly clad woman and I was like I didn't go looking for
1:31:14
that I sent him an email I him but I filed it very yeah and now now we know
1:31:20
why I think 3D printing is the future of miniatures yeah yeah and um yeah it was
1:31:26
it was until Games Workshop cou catch up with goat man love they've got SL like
1:31:31
that's that's the bit where it's like yeah yeah four out of 10 only four boobs if you want 10 stars six more boobs yeah
1:31:40
yeah yeah so there we go and I realized as I was talking about that I think I edited to Ross instead of I I haven't
1:31:46
really been in the office for couple weeks you're out of touch a little bit yeah yeah yeah so I've only got four
1:31:53
fingers and four buttons but I keep messing it up um you how many cameras you got four four yeah yeah hello oh
1:32:00
wait that's yours there you go yeah you're on there now but on the whole a a good C it was brilliant absolutely love
1:32:08
it it's the it's the one I don't want to do any others now so no don't put that in there because he won't take me but
1:32:15
but no that that is the one I always look forward to um and and just the vendors there were were fantastic um
1:32:22
I've I've done a done a separate video on like here's who we met and just kind of a brief thing I've tried to connect I
1:32:29
tried to do one video about as you know I was like can we paint a model like
1:32:34
using all the things from adepticon and enter it into a competition at adepticon
1:32:40
to show you everything at adepticon um and Neil Hollis has now painted on it Ross as a knob so I've got an original
1:32:45
Neil Hollis uh that will be auctioned off for charity oh wonderful um for anybody who wants one
1:32:51
of them but um gave up on that and then I've just done like a little is 3D printing taking over the the hobby
1:32:58
sphere and that no but you know I've got I've got to find content somewh yeah oh absolutely yeah and even if you know the
1:33:04
answer like I mean the the the sensationalist answer is like from doing
1:33:09
bits of 3D printing myself like again like you know if you're not at adepticon it's hard to know what it's like if you
1:33:15
don't have a 3D printer it's hard to know what that's like and and you hear about it and you go oh 3D oh it's going
1:33:22
to destroy game Workshop or if Games Workshop don't start 3D printing their business is done oh yeah and I printed
1:33:29
my first things and I go games work shop of fine yeah it really is a Manisha I've loved
1:33:36
that and it was um I think who was it you said it to it was Pete the wargamer we were we were walking once and I was
1:33:42
saying like everyone thinks thinks 3D printing is going to destroy Games Workshop and it's like what just like 2D
1:33:48
printings killed magic Pokemon Yu-Gi-Oh and and all those I think they're fine
1:33:54
oh yeah yeah cuz you could just print your own like cuz everyone will have scanned the cards you could you could
1:34:00
print your own cards yeah I never even thought about that yeah and that that to me is the Perfect Analogy of yeah yeah
1:34:07
shut up mate then Games Workshop are not going to will they eventually enter the STL Market yeah book bookshops still
1:34:15
exist exactly and I'm very glad that they do um so so do no music shops don't
1:34:21
exist anymore really do they is clinging on they by selling I think apparently uh
1:34:29
the resurging vinyl um has helped them but then they also sell headphones and
1:34:34
t-shirts and and really Niche stuff like I went into water stones and they have uh like the one in Nottingham I don't
1:34:40
know how long it's been there I've been in a couple of times now but they have their top floor I go up to have a look at the board games I'm not into like
1:34:47
manger and stuff but the majority of that top floor is all like manga novels
1:34:53
and graphic and um like sci-fi bits and Bobs and I'm just like you got that board game about birds um it's called
1:35:00
wingspan it's very good okay apparently I was getting told the other day there is an offshoot of that with Dragons oh
1:35:07
right interesting there we go what's that called Wings Spong probably W yeah
1:35:13
cuz they've got wings too I'm learning so much about nature
1:35:18
yeah I mean see who who would have thought we'd be talking about birds towards the end of this podcast yeah and
1:35:23
in like a yeah let's talk about birds birds
1:35:30
adepticon um I've been a war gamer since 13 I know nothing about birds but who does I mean lots of people
1:35:38
maybe but not us no I like I like learning about secret worlds that I knew
1:35:43
nothing about that's and paint and pushing pigment round on little models having fun oh it's crapping gray let's
1:35:50
make it yellow done nice there we go yeah yeah yeah I mean that's crazy talk yellow over gray
1:35:56
what tune in next time you having a giraffe have you tried
1:36:02
tried the new one what is it which one's the good yellow is it one imperial fist no no there's someone did a really good
1:36:09
Opa Monument Hobbies again their yellows really good so I think I've done yellow over black in like three layers on them
1:36:16
oh my good that sounds like crazy talk yeah that does sound like crazy talk
1:36:21
yeah I haven't used my uh like Pro CW Paints in ages I used some of the metallics recently and I'm just not used
1:36:27
to how like thick they come out the oh yeah well um they I they came over and
1:36:33
they very kindly gave us some uh boxes of paint and I ended up with the flameon
1:36:38
Box yeah and um and when I looked at it you know I opened it up and I thought oh there's a there's there's something
1:36:45
going on here that looks like there's some theory of how something worked I went opened it up and looked at it it's all of the paints from the proac r of
1:36:52
designed for for creating um NM NMM gold oh the problem being is I've then been
1:36:59
online and I can't find anywhere where the teach mostly I think they're mostly Twi
1:37:04
like Jason's got a ton of videos but I think a lot of it was originally twitch
1:37:10
very he does a lot of twitch streams cuz that's how they started is they wanted paint for himself that he could use and
1:37:16
then happened to create one of the most accessible Paints in the world so brilliant yeah not too bad I do love
1:37:22
them but do you find like you cuz you guys do a lot of paints do you guys find like you're limited a bit by the amount
1:37:29
of different paints like you've got your paracels you've got these you've got them and because you're constantly switching to try different things for
1:37:35
the channel and the viewers it's almost a bit limiting because you're not you're not fully learning any particular like
1:37:42
product I feel like um yeah like we we used to be have like some sponsorship
1:37:49
from AK yeah um uh which we don't anymore but um and and I feel like I've learned the
1:37:57
AK paints yeah um reasonably well in that I think it I think a test a credit
1:38:04
to the paints is they all behave very very similarly definely like I I think
1:38:09
of AK paints as like Citadel plus yeah like they work how I want Citadel paints
1:38:14
to work like thin them down and and they just work really well and I'm like brilliant fantastic yeah I feel like I learned them cuz I used them pretty much
1:38:21
just them for for ages um um and even though we're not sponsored by them anymore um I will continue to do so
1:38:28
because I think they're great um I am really enjoying going out and using other paints and having the freedom to
1:38:34
do so um but it it's like um you know using a different brand it comes to
1:38:39
paints he's now single and ready to mingle that's it yeah yeah if you want
1:38:45
me to use your paints give just just cover me in pain um don't do that again
1:38:51
just do that again I didn't know whether we would all just quietly ride that
1:38:57
out it's like that what was that film with John Senor in it recently where he's like talking like this trying to
1:39:03
make a point so if there's anybody out there I'm going to ask and leave this in the video that needs to be M
1:39:09
just not this hands the table hands on to the
1:39:15
table I'm not getting caught soorry what did I
1:39:21
do you were just go yeah hi everyone buttick
1:39:28
sorry welcome to mem Hood but yeah know I know what you mean like yeah I really like AKs but yeah I keep jumping like
1:39:35
I've got Army painters to try at the moment they're new to try the fanatic it's it's also very liberating
1:39:42
not being tied down cuz like I want I want to try Duncan stuff I real I really want to try good um scale 75 metallics
1:39:50
but I feel like I can openly say now like I do genuinely like like love the
1:39:55
third gen acrylics from AK yeah the metallics I can take them all leave them yeah I think
1:40:02
vallejo's air metallics are topnotch I think oh for for base coats especially
1:40:08
and and I don't really want to use anything else cuz like even even the procross stuff their metallics are great
1:40:15
but then it's kind of like yeah using a different camera for the first time you're like oh all the buttons are in the wrong place yeah like and I'm like
1:40:20
oh this texture and this and that and they ended up making it a bit gloopy and then too thin and and it's you know
1:40:27
you'll get the hang of it eventually like of course you will but companies don't put enough out for like explaining
1:40:33
what their their kind of USP is like they don't Market it that way cuz I think every company wants to catch
1:40:39
everyone when you look at like I I totally agree like ak's gen 3 I think are the best allrounder if you want to
1:40:47
get started mini painting invest in them cuz they'll work for you want to thin them down they're great you want to
1:40:52
cover they're great like Pro acill are great but they're great for coverage yes like more they're still great paints but
1:40:59
that's great for mixing cuz it's they only ever really do single pigment stuff don't yeah yeah exactly yeah so they've
1:41:04
got all their benefits and then yeah a bit more like that but I just it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who feels a little bit like almost not
1:41:12
locked into a paint it's nice that You' got the freedom but you want to get better at painting but you're like oh
1:41:18
I'm trying a new paint as well because people want to know about this paint and then I've got to start again
1:41:23
yeah and it does feel like starting again to a certain extent yeah it does um yeah which is which is super
1:41:29
interesting but yeah yeah I'm quite I'm Keen to try Duncan's paints because I I
1:41:36
haven't touched them yet um and I hear good things yeah they're good they're good good coverage they do what they say
1:41:42
on the tin I think and like yeah the Army painter stuff cuz like you get their full range it's like over 200 pains isn't it 260 paints although I
1:41:49
feel like they're a bit they're a bit weird with theirs cuz like some of their different colors or like just darker and
1:41:55
lighter versions of others as opposed to being different viewes but that's that's a good thing for people who don't want
1:42:00
to mix I guess yeah that's it so I don't want to mix yeah I like if I'm doing an
1:42:06
army like I know some people are like oh like mix up a big batch of this I'm like
1:42:11
no yeah yeah can't be bothered yeah cuz do best to remember what I did yeah yeah
1:42:18
yeah I hate mixing cuz I'll never get it right the next time and it'll look wrong so same with people are like oh I mix 5%
1:42:24
no no why do people mix resin people yeah so if you get something too hard and you want um the main one is like Sur
1:42:31
attch who make a really detailed resin called um Navy gray and then you mix in
1:42:36
some of what's called tenacious which cures like rubber like no you could throw it and it'd be like a bouncy ball
1:42:43
okay and you mix like 5% in one to the other I'm like no if cotch want me to
1:42:48
use it like that then they need to release it like that cuz I will not yes cuz I'll never get the the balance right
1:42:53
next time exposure will be off it'll be boring but all that's for a completely different show yeah and that's why Games
1:43:00
Workshop are fine yes exactly ends exactly where we start
1:43:05
yeah games R up are okay yeah yeah you really don't need to worry about it them
1:43:10
at all but yeah adepticon was great and adepticon was great thank you so much for coming on thanks for having me and
1:43:17
hopefully come back and we'll talk about what you do proper on another video would you be up for that yeah of course
1:43:22
I will I love your channel big fan of the channel it was weird meeting you guys for the first time cuz we already had
1:43:28
that parasocial relationship of I know you really well and and and you're like
1:43:33
we're not friends go away not true it's not true yeah so if
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